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Speaker 2: May inspired their general managers. Yeah, you, Comparrison.

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Speaker 3: But what's interesting is it was after meeting with the

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Speaker 3: Is that something just in Dallas with the Mavericks or

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Speaker 2: Have you heard it?

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Speaker 2: Than Jesse No, I mean team, I know, I know

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Speaker 3: The Twins story from Bobby Nightingale a fisherp factory kind

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Speaker 2: Eighty people. And here's my question.

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Speaker 4: All I'm saying is throw the caveat in it. You're

434
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Speaker 4: going to talk about frant Tarket his first four games,

435
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Speaker 4: mentioned the fact he had four touchdown passes.

436
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Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Tenby, can you find Pa so might have take that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's to say basically, and his saying, first.

439
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Speaker 2: We should have played this open bitter on Twitter.

440
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Speaker 4: Listen, it's better than most of the craft here. Take that,

441
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 4: take that most of the crap we say on see

442
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 4: you on Twitter. No, it was just the fun going back.

443
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Speaker 4: But he also said Fran played in for a Super Bowl.

444
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 4: So I had to call Nordal and say, would you

445
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Speaker 4: please tell Pa that Fran played in three and Joe

446
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Speaker 4: Catty he goes, I know we've told him, We've told

447
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 4: him that's all was, but I'm just saying, it's so

448
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 4: easy to go, well, yeah, Fran had four law with

449
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 4: wide receivers that were just that couldn't.

450
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Speaker 2: Catch Pa pa is and is in protection mold. Well,

451
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Speaker 2: but just he knows that there are a lot of

452
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Speaker 2: people out there.

453
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Speaker 3: That are questioning the decision to draft McCarthy and not

454
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Speaker 3: keep Donald and not keep I'm just saying, but I'm saying,

455
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Speaker 3: that's what this is all about, and he wants to

456
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Speaker 3: be and what he's saying, other than the Tarkentin thing,

457
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 3: is basically true.

458
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Speaker 2: You got to give him some time. Guys, I agree

459
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Speaker 2: with and I think we all do. Yeah, and disagree.

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Speaker 3: That's not to say, Hey, it took Josh Allen a while,

461
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 3: so j J. McCarthy's the next Josh Allen. Let's not

462
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 3: can't sit that either. No, we'll we'll, we'll find what

463
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 3: he could end up being. Somebody has sent me an

464
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Speaker 3: email that talked about how forty gave up and Trey

465
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Speaker 3: Lance he was supposed to be really good.

466
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Speaker 2: The rich was in Richardson with the Colts. I mean,

467
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Speaker 2: these were guys that you had finally had to just

468
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Speaker 2: give up on.

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Speaker 4: So well, I'd rather talk about the bike. He's running

470
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Speaker 4: the ball, but that's what that's just.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that.

472
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Speaker 3: Everybody seems to want to jump on the running the

473
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Speaker 3: ball vandway and I'm not so sure I want to

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Speaker 3: do that, but we'll we'll do that. Here on the

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Speaker 3: other side of the break is the Common Man Program

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Speaker 3: with comment ten by Mark Rose.

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Speaker 2: And here on the Fan, yes take that.

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Speaker 2: It'd be fun.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to that. Let me guess we'll be

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Speaker 3: interviewing Brian O'Neil her, t J Howkinson, you ever, TJ

491
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Speaker 3: Hawkinson always the same, Always get to say, we.

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Speaker 2: Don't have to laugh at us. I'm not laughing at

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Speaker 2: you the way you said it like you're disappointed. Well no,

494
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Speaker 2: it's really not disappointed.

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Speaker 3: It's just like it's it's we we get the same

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Speaker 3: guests all the time, and that's okay because we do.

497
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Speaker 3: Like I I'm tight with I call him Brian Brian. Yeah,

498
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Speaker 3: I don't even call him Brian anymore, call him Bryan.

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Speaker 2: That's good. And then I I had to tell Hawkinson.

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Speaker 3: I I kept calling him Hawking Fuss because of Walking Fuss,

501
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 3: who played for the Detroit Tiger. So I kept saying

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Speaker 3: Hawking Fuss and I Finally, I finally stopped because I

503
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Speaker 3: finally figured out his name's not and what's all the fuss,

504
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Speaker 3: Hey O, it's it's it's it's Hockenson.

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Speaker 2: Here's the other thing, too, is it's okay to make comparisons,

506
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Speaker 2: you know, to do the.

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Speaker 3: Old waido uh uh, Peyton Manning and and and and

508
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Speaker 3: Josh Allen, how were they in their first four starts?

509
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Speaker 3: But then if you're gonna do that, why don't you

510
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Speaker 3: talk about Josh Rosen and Johnny Manzelle and Zach look

511
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Speaker 3: at their first.

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Speaker 2: There's always examples on the side. There always, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, there are literally hundreds hundreds of other top ten

514
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Speaker 3: quarterback flops. They're everywhere. So so just all of a

515
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: sudden always bring up because because Josh Allen and and

516
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Speaker 3: Peyton Manning had tough starts to their career and blossoming

517
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Speaker 3: into hat well, Alan's and well that's it, and so

518
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Speaker 3: and and McCarthy. It be one or the other or

519
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 3: somewhere in between. So that's why it's just a protection thing.

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Speaker 3: It's because there are a lot of fans that look here,

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Speaker 3: here's what I'll tell you, Here's what I'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind drafting a franchise quarterback, I think you

523
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: should always try to do that. But if you do

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Speaker 2: that and you do what you did with the team,

525
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Speaker 2: and this is what they did.

526
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Speaker 3: They went out and refurbished the middle of the defensive

527
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Speaker 3: line and the office. You don't do that unless you

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Speaker 3: are thinking we're building on a thirteen and four season

529
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Speaker 3: or whatever they were, and that's what they were trying

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Speaker 3: to do and what they decided to do.

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Speaker 2: They said, yeah, we can keep Darnold, but that's one

532
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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. I can coach this kid up.

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Speaker 3: We can get him up and running because I know

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Speaker 3: how to coach quarterbacks. Kids got a lot of talent,

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Speaker 3: and we can take that money and rebuild the offensive

536
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Speaker 3: and defensive lines. We can do a competitive rebuild. So far,

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Speaker 3: that plan has failed, and it's failed miserably. Now he

538
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Speaker 3: was out for five weeks, that's five more weeks he

539
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Speaker 3: would have been able to play, and maybe he would

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Speaker 3: have sped along his Maybe he would be a lot

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Speaker 3: further along, maybe he would be playing real Well, we

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Speaker 3: don't know that. So and no one, I'm not suggesting

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Speaker 3: they cut the guy and fire the coach. All we're

544
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Speaker 3: saying is you had your choices to make, and your

545
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Speaker 3: choice was to go with the young kid. Now in

546
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Speaker 3: Green Bay, they kept playing Rogers for a couple of

547
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Speaker 3: years after drafting Love. We did not want to do that,

548
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: and that's fine, But so for for some people to

549
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: question that, with where we are four and five and

550
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Speaker 3: dead last in the North, coming off thirteen to four,

551
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Speaker 3: it's not criminal to suggest that you don't have to

552
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Speaker 3: rally to the coach's defense or the general manager your defense.

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Speaker 2: We're going to play this thing out. I don't think anybody,

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Speaker 2: at least.

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Speaker 3: I'm not ready to make any definitive decision on was

556
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Speaker 3: McCarthy the right choice here? Now we still have to see,

557
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Speaker 3: but you can weigh in and go, wow, I'm little.

558
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Speaker 3: I was kind of hoping we build off last year's

559
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Speaker 3: you know great, you know that was a.

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Speaker 4: Great season last year, well, the fun season, and they

561
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Speaker 4: won a lot of one score games, And had they

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Speaker 4: kept Donold for the price he was asking for or

563
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Speaker 4: and what the Fightings would have had to pay, they

564
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Speaker 4: wouldn't have had probably three of the players that are

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Speaker 4: on this team right now.

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Speaker 3: And you can make that argument every team, every franchise,

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Speaker 3: of those guys who at the center, and we haven't

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Speaker 3: had him on the team anyway.

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Speaker 2: No, he has not been. The two defensive guys, weren't

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Speaker 2: he good anyways.

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Speaker 3: Hargrave and Allen, Yeah one of them, Yeah, isn't hard grade.

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Speaker 3: Did he have one good game two games ago was

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Speaker 3: last game?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a good game.

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Speaker 3: Than that. The guys we spent the money on didn't

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Speaker 3: do Diddley. Sorry, so we could have had Donald. One

577
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars for Donald for three years is chump change.

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Speaker 3: And for an MVP candidate, that team is in first place, right.

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Speaker 4: And you just have to look at every team that

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Speaker 4: has philosophical ways of going about their business. I mean

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Speaker 4: the Colts went a different way, you know, getting Danny Jones,

582
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Speaker 4: who was also on this roster. Let's not forget that.

583
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Speaker 4: And they and Jones knew he had a better change.

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Speaker 4: I want to start, I want to start now. And

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Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson was hurt and he was ineffective, and he

586
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Speaker 4: knew going to Indianapolis was going to be a much

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Speaker 4: better situation for him as opposed to coming here and

588
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Speaker 4: always looking over his shoulder and wondering if even if

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Speaker 4: McCarthy's I'm going to start and maybe he would have

590
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 4: been a situation, you know, much the way that would

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Speaker 4: happened with Darnold last year. But we knew early in

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Speaker 4: the year obviously, right almost the right away, that McCarthy

593
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Speaker 4: wasn't going to play. There are bigger issues there with

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Speaker 4: this team right now too. I mean the turnovers which

595
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 4: McCarthy could be responsible for at times as well as

596
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Speaker 4: we saw we were bad, but not as embarrassing as

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Speaker 4: the false starts penal, the fall start penalties and the

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Speaker 4: pre snap penalties that have plagued this team, which is

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Speaker 4: mind boggling at home. I mean, they played so well

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Speaker 4: in Detroit, and if you look at that game that

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Speaker 4: was last time I looked, was just at over a

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Speaker 4: week ago, week and a half ago, and how that

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Speaker 4: team thought was going to parlay that into a you know,

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Speaker 4: a grinded out kind of game against a very discipline

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Speaker 4: improved you know, I still think they're a super Bowl

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00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 4: caliber type of Baltimore Ravens team that's going to play

607
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 4: it close to the vest on the road. But you

608
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: can't have those kind of penalties at home and turn

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Speaker 4: the ball over three times and win a football game.

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00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 4: It's just that's the one defining statistic game in game

611
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 4: out if you lose that turnover battle. And the Vikings

612
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 4: have three interceptions this year three. I think they led

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Speaker 4: the league in interceptions last year.

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Speaker 3: What's stuck in your cross? You you don't think we're

615
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Speaker 3: running the ball at your lead? You almost sounded bitter

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Speaker 3: and angry about it. Well, I just think that's it's

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Speaker 3: puzzling at times, questioning the head coach they were Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm they were gashing the Ravens coach.

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Speaker 2: Well he is, and now you're questioning the coach of

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Speaker 2: the year. Yeah, I guess I am.

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Speaker 4: And I just think there are opportunities and a lot

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Speaker 4: of third and two they've they've become they've becot predictable,

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Speaker 4: and the fact that they throw the ball almost every

624
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Speaker 4: single time. They're not third and eight, third and seven,

625
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 4: third Nate, third and two, third and three. They almost

626
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Speaker 4: inevitably throw the football, which is great if you're Patrick

627
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Speaker 4: Mahomes and if you got you know, receivers that can

628
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 4: make those you can make those easy throws, you know,

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Speaker 4: five yard outs or whatever it might be, and just

630
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Speaker 4: move the sticks. But you're not doing that, and you're

631
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Speaker 4: able to run the ball pretty effectively and I don't question.

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Speaker 4: I will make it very clear. The third and one,

633
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: they threw that long ball that was that Jefferson got

634
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 4: tripped up on and they got intercepted.

635
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Speaker 2: And I don't have a problem with that.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, once in a while, you got

637
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: to take your shot like that, and if you got

638
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: one on one coverage and you get the number one receiver,

639
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Speaker 4: and theory in the NFL, you get you once in

640
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Speaker 4: a while. Nothing wrong with it. Because he catches that

641
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 4: ball and he walks into the end zone. No one's

642
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: questioning that they should have run the ball on that play.

643
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Speaker 4: I certainly wasn't even questioning at that time. I think

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Speaker 4: there are other instances where they can and should have

645
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Speaker 4: run the ball, and this be a little bit more

646
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Speaker 4: they could have.

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Speaker 2: No they could have. But I said, I don't have

648
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Speaker 2: a problem. Many times Philadelphia are not Philadelphia.

649
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Speaker 3: The Ravens ran the ball. They just kept running the ball.

650
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: They had no success early and they kept running. Well,

651
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: it's money, and they finally wore the back.

652
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: That's what the Eagles do so well again last night

653
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 4: we saw it against the Vikings and all of a sudden,

654
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts goes back and hits someone for one of us,

655
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: received Smith whatever for a touchdown.

656
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Speaker 2: This is what he what he's really good at. The

657
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: Eagles look like they can be had. It seems like.

658
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 4: Gaming game out. They're just kind of hanging around, but

659
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 4: they just never panic. They know what they're doing. They're

660
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: disciplined to the inf degree on defense, they don't make mistakes,

661
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 4: and even when Hurts had an early turnover in that game,

662
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 4: Green Bay couldn't really take advantage of it.

663
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Speaker 2: So how about this one.

664
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Speaker 3: Rosie's wrong. We don't have other issues on this team.

665
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 3: The QB is the issue. If we had a service

666
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: with QB, we'd be six and three right now.

667
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: That's what this that's what this is a text mess view.

668
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: How would you respond to that?

669
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of all would be first, We

670
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 4: wouldn't mind, know that for sure, But yeah, I don't

671
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 4: think you would. I mean serviceable. I mean, I mean

672
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 4: you need to be a better quarterback.

673
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Speaker 2: Better.

674
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Speaker 4: I think the Atlanta game they came back home, I

675
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: thought the defense was terrible that that game. Atlanta ran

676
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 4: right through them, and the Vikings didn't do a lot offensively.

677
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 4: But I don't know what to say other than the

678
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: fact that if you make the philosophical decision that you're

679
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 4: going to let your quarterback young quarterback kind of grow

680
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 4: into this job. And then he got hurt in that game,

681
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 4: which set him back even more. As you mentioned, you know,

682
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 4: they tried Carson Wentz. They weren't really they weren't having

683
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 4: a lot of success. He got beat up behind them,

684
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 4: you know, banged up offense.

685
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Speaker 3: Which played okay for what he's doing. He was always

686
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Speaker 3: won a couple of games, Yeah he did. He helped

687
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Speaker 3: win a couple of games. You can rip all you want.

688
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: He's certainly not. He's no.

689
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Speaker 2: I'm just I meant people in a yeah, you can

690
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: rip them all you want.

691
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: And he's you know, Carson Wentz is who we thought

692
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: he was and and and he he played okay and

693
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: in parts and he was awful in other parts.

694
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: Again, I mentioned the three interceptions, and you know, it'd

695
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 4: be nice once in a while the Vikings defense could

696
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 4: shorten that field for JJ McCarthy, and we just haven't

697
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 4: been seeing that, which is a hallmark for any good team.

698
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 4: You got to win that turnover battle and then have

699
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 4: not been turning getting the turnovers.

700
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: How about this from Jeffrey Monticello.

701
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: The bad passes and false starts could all be chalked

702
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: up to part of the game, but justin Jefferson's body

703
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: language and lack of ever chasing down defenders and intercepted

704
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: the ball and not acting like a captain seems like a.

705
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: Bigger issue to me.

706
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: Keep up the good work well, and I think there

707
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: was the one interception where he just stood there, but

708
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: he was the interception.

709
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Speaker 2: He touched him and he was down. That's one.

710
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the one, not the other one. Yeah,

711
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 4: the other one, he was lollygagging. It looked like he

712
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: pulled a moss.

713
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Speaker 2: I don't know, he's becoming disinterested. Do you think he's

714
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: thinking to him.

715
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Speaker 4: He's frustrated. I think he's frustrated because he's had a

716
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: couple of balls. You could see his body language almost

717
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 4: If he runs his route and the ball sales three

718
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 4: feet over his head.

719
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Speaker 2: Uh, you're not gonna be happy. You know. He's he's

720
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of pride.

721
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: He wants to be the best, and he those those

722
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 4: completions should be you know who that he played.

723
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Speaker 2: One game for us and was overthrew all the wide receivers.

724
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: Re membery he came for one game.

725
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Speaker 3: Josh, He's thrown Josh Freeman like balls he had.

726
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Speaker 2: I mean there's throwing. He threw four or five of

727
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 2: those this last game. I mean Josh throws. I mean

728
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: they they were you could have been women yam at

729
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: seven to five thought those passes.

730
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Speaker 4: Well, that's the unusually, because you watched the beginning of

731
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 4: the game. The Vikings stopped, you know, three and out

732
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 4: for the Ravens, and they get the ball and he

733
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 4: threw an absolute dime to Naylor. That was a beautiful pass,

734
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 4: the sixty yard pass to Naylor right down the sidelines,

735
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 4: laid it right in his arms. Bikings go in and

736
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: score an easy touchdown by running the football, and that

737
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 4: was kind of the highlight of their offensive production. And

738
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 4: then they ran into a series of false starts and

739
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 4: spits and starts, and they got behind the chains and

740
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 4: made it more difficult. McArthur made it more difficult for

741
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 4: himself from Marilo's penalties.

742
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: You listen to the head coach today, Ipa died, then tell.

743
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: Me if this is true, this one says koc as

744
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: much as said today that virtually all the.

745
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: Fall starts are on the quarterback. Yeah, they were on

746
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: his cadence.

747
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 3: So if he didn't even get the cadence right, how

748
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: far behind schedule is he? I mean, you think you'd

749
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 3: have the cadence figured out?

750
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's I don't know. What we have

751
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 4: here is a failure to communicate. Using a famous movie line,

752
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 4: you know, you straighten that stuff out in a hurry.

753
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 4: I've just never seen I don't know what they did,

754
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 4: and I didn't really got an explanation from Koc how

755
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 4: did that happen? He was he tapping his helmet and O'Neill.

756
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't like a crowd was affecting it.

757
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 4: It's quiet. I mean, if they got the ball at offense,

758
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 4: I've never seen eight false starts, penalties and offense and

759
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: they were just and there. Someone said, well, did the

760
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: Ravens throw them off? And even KOs said no, I

761
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 4: mean like they were barking out signals or something, which

762
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: is illegal. But I don't think that was the case

763
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: at all. These Kose didn't, you know, say well, yeah,

764
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 4: we got it on tape and we showed it to

765
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 4: the league, blah blah blah.

766
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: That was not the case.

767
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean that's another case of if that's

768
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 4: on McCarthy, then yeah, you better get damn straight straightened

769
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 4: out against the Bears on Sunday. And I don't know,

770
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: they didn't have that problem in Detroit in a hostile

771
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 4: environment where the noise is so loud, they didn't have

772
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 4: the problems running. I don't That's what's so mystifying about it,

773
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 4: because it wasn't like, oh boy, this is a trend.

774
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 4: McCarthy's a quarterback and the Vikings still continue to have

775
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 4: all these No, it wasn't a problem at all Detroit.

776
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: But they come home they have. But as a problem, yeah,

777
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: it was. It was. It was almost comical. Wait another whistle,

778
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: Warren quickly. You don't have a lot of time. Oh boy,

779
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: who do you Warren?

780
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 6: You guys and uh, they don't bring up. All the

781
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 6: good quarterbacks in the last few years have brought their

782
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 6: teams either to the playoffs and played well in the

783
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 6: first year. I do have some news for you. Uh,

784
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 6: you must have a really good intuition. But the guy

785
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 6: again about the wrong guy going to Chicago. From a

786
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 6: good source, I heard Paula Owens is going to be

787
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 6: going to the Cubs and do the Harry Cary type

788
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 6: work with the Chicago Cubs, and I think it's a

789
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 6: pretty accurate thing. And uh, that's the case, and I

790
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 6: believe it's true. I think that we'll be missing him

791
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 6: a lot. He's good at what he does.

792
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: Thanks, we appreciate that Paul Allen will be taking over it.

793
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: I play voice to the Chicago cause what if it's true.

794
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: What if Warren's got a connection?

795
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: He would fit. PA's got that kind of Warren's smoking

796
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: some funny stay. I don't know PA's got that kind

797
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: of personality. He's not a baseball guy. But this doesn't matter.

798
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: I'm not a hockey guy. But if the money's right,

799
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: I love hockey. I'd call who Championships with the monies, right,

800
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 2: wouldn't you? Of course? I mean I can't believe warned

801
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: and bring up some obscure offensive line. Speaking of the Lions,

802
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: did you see how good that offense was?

803
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 4: Of course, I said they're the best team of the no,

804
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: not the NFC. They're the best team in the NFC North.

805
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 4: They're not the best team the Rams are.

806
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: A handful of weeks ago, you said the window was

807
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: closed on Detroit. Well, I looked at it.

808
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 3: I recant at that Lions ranked second one all teams

809
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: in play action rate. In week eighteen, Detroit's explosive play rate,

810
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: which is runs at least twelve yards completently sixteen of

811
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: sixteen point two p R fourth among teams, second highest

812
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: all see this one.

813
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: Last week's game.

814
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 3: A whopping thirty two point four percent of the line

815
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 3: sixty eight place, and it went for ten or more yards,

816
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 3: the highest rate of the season in the highest rate.

817
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 2: In Week ten, Detroit recorded a season best offensive success

818
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: rate of fifty.

819
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: Six point five percent versus the Commanders. The lines recorded

820
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: in EPA slash play of zero point four to six

821
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 3: versus the Commanders, the highest mark in a single game

822
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 3: by a team this season all teams in football. The

823
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: Lion's pressure rate of twenty five point seven percent was

824
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: the second lowest allowed of any team so far in

825
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: Week ten, and Golf wasn't sacked. Only nine point one

826
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: percent of Detroit's rushing at hims went for zero or

827
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: negative yards, second lowest to the season. The Lions can

828
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: run of fifty percent of their third down attempts, tied

829
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 3: for the highest mark.

830
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: Of the season.

831
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: Detroit's twelve personnel rate of eighteen point five percent was

832
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: second lowest of the season.

833
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: The list goes on and on. That's an offense that

834
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: runs like a west oiled machine.

835
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: Okay, let's see him do it again this Sunday night,

836
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 4: and then I'll say, you know what, man, this is unstoppable.

837
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 4: You know they play Sunday night Philadelphia. Yeah, okay, let's

838
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 4: see how.

839
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 2: They do Sunday.

840
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 4: The Commanders are three and seven with others thirty quarterback

841
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 4: and I'm not They're not a good football team right now.

842
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 4: I'm not taking and I listen, I'm the one who's

843
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 4: pumping up the Lions. But this we'll see if they

844
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 4: can do that on Sunday night against the Eagles in Philadelkis.

845
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: We're playing a three and five Ravens club. Well that

846
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: they won't come. Do you know who the Vikings have

847
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 3: beat this year? Brown's BEng Wells and the I understand

848
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 3: I'm not defending the Bears haven't beaten anybody either.

849
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: In the Packers.

850
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: Well, okay, well then that the schedule hasn't isn't idstand.

851
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 2: The kiddies all you want, but the roars be restored.

852
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: I'm going who told you that? I think the best.

853
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 3: I think there was You were just bitter they were

854
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: playing while your Vikings were struggling.

855
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 4: You were I said that before the season started. I

856
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 4: still think it goes Rams and then Lions. Right now,

857
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 4: as far as the two best teams in the endertry, I.

858
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: Think those Lions team might be the best team ever assembled. Okay,

859
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: I just like saying that. I don't know of it.

860
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 3: We'll probably get We'll probably get destroyed by Philadelphia because

861
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: it is that they're destroyed.

862
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: They could because that doesn't destroy people. They just manage them.

863
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: That's a really really good defense. So well it is

864
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: I was going to see you. It's it's it's take

865
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: back tomorrow, right Yeah, helping on on the podcast. We

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Speaker 2: laughed when we cry.

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Speaker 3: We can find that podcast, uh the radio app. We'll

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Speaker 3: see you tomorrow at two o'clock, Tenny, thanks for having

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Speaker 3: me you as well. We enjoyed a visit with you today,

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Speaker 3: as we always do. We're back tomorrow at twelve noon.

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Speaker 3: A rock ranked a rock Talk tomorrow to a big

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Speaker 3: ticket JG there next year on the face. Good night, folks,

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Speaker 3: good night missus Calabash.

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Speaker 1: That I like that.

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Speaker 2: Listen back to any of coming Man's programs. By podcasting

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