1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: In Milford today is National Dress Up Your Pet Day. Well, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: our next guest was able to find a costume. This 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: is just so cute dressed up his dog as Thomas Massey. Oh, 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: you've got to go to Brian's blog page and meet 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: Thomas Paulsy The judges next Chucking Vermont fifty five KRC, 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: the Talk Station, A. 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: Thirty fifty four CARC the Toss Station, Judge Ednapolitano. Can 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 2: you hear me? Are we experiencing technical difficulties this morning? 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: Judge Strecker's trying to iron them out as we speak. 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: Judge cannot currently hear my voice, although I see his 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: face on the zoom connection. He's kind of fading in 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: and out. Congress Mam Massey, I know you're busy holding 13 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: on online waiting to hear from the judge. 14 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: Something about a dog dressed up with Thomas Matthew that 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: I catch that you did. 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: It's your dog apparently dress up your Pet Day or something. 17 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: But Congressman Thomas Massey is literally listening right now. He is. 18 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: He decided to hold after my conversation in the last 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: segment with him because he wanted to hear what you 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: had to say today. Welcome back to the Morning show, sir. 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: It's a pleasure having you. 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Brian. I'm sorry but we can't see 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 3: each other. I don't know what the technical glitch is. 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 3: And I did not know that the greatest defender of 25 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: the Constitution in the modern era was on right before me, 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 3: or would have come on a little bit earlier so 27 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: that I could hear what he was saying. But Thomerson, Massy, 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 3: thank you for taking the time to listen to us. 29 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know you would have enjoyed You would have 30 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: enjoyed the conversation. In your column, which I read an 31 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: assault on the Republic. You're very critical of Donald Trump, 32 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: and I understand that, and you know I occasionally, and 33 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: I'm warning my listening audience, do not call Joe Strecker 34 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: and complain about the judges thoughts and commentary. Joe has 35 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: nothing to do with it. It's kind of crazy. He needs. 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: I'm your critical in any way, shape or form, of 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. The phones light up and just Drecker gets 38 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: the brunt of the argument. But quite often they're not 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: seeing through to the legal arguments that you are making. 40 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: They're only hearing the criticism of the person who is 41 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: cot runs contrary to your perception of the law. But 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: one thing I wanted to take from your column, which 43 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: can spring from it. In the last segment, we talked 44 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: to Congressman Thomas Massey about the law that is on 45 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: the books which forced the government to release the Epstein 46 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: files by I guess it was the nineteenth last month 47 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: or something. They didn't do it. There's apparently a million 48 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: plus documents behind the scene. Bondie won't release them. No 49 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: one will release them. They're going to have to go 50 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: to court. They may might have to file a contempt hearing. 51 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: There is no fidelity to the rule of law. This 52 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 2: is not faithfully upholled in the Constitution and the laws 53 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: of the United States of America. And I quite frankly 54 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: am puzzled by the whole thing. But here's yet another 55 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: illustration of fast and loose with the well the power. 56 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: You know, I have been arguing, and I do this 57 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: with deference and respect here listeners, not to arouse them, 58 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 3: but I've been arguing that there's a direct line to 59 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 3: be drawn between what's happening in the streets in Minneapolis 60 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 3: and what happened in a bedroom in Caracas. This is 61 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 3: all and what happened in the speedboat and fishing boat 62 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: killings in the Caribbean. This is all a specie of 63 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: might makes right. This is all a specie of rejecting 64 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 3: the laws. When the president takes his oath of office, 65 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: he promises to faithfully exercise his duties. The Constitution Convention 66 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: debated over the word faithfully, and Madison quite properly was 67 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: worried that without that word in there, presidents would take 68 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 3: the oath as carte blanche to enforce the laws they'd 69 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: liked and forget about the laws they dislike. But by 70 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: putting the word fatally in there, the president and everybody 71 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: in the executive branch, including the Attorney General, is subject 72 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 3: to the laws, whether they like them or not. Congressman 73 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: Massey happens to have ridden the crest of a wave 74 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 3: which resulted in all members of Congress but one voting 75 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 3: for this legislation, legislation that three days before it was 76 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: voted on, the President was still twisting arms to try 77 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: and get people not to vote or not to sign 78 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: the discharge competition. So the Congress's voice is loud and clear. 79 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, The President reluctantly signed this legislation. As the law, 80 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: she has no choice but to comply with it. He 81 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 3: can leak all he wants to the Wall Street Journal 82 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: that he doesn't like her. He can tell you, as 83 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: attorneys all he wants. You guys are losing too many cases. 84 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 3: But when it comes down to jacks, the DOJ is 85 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 3: not enforcing the law when it has to be enforced 86 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: against themselves. 87 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, and as Massey pointed out, you know, it's a 88 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: new law, so it supersedes some of the earlier laws 89 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 2: that were on the book that some are arguing are 90 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: being violated because the new law says, release all the 91 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: Epstein files, including the FBI in records, and maybe the 92 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: settlement agreements that have been reached between some noted notables 93 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: and anybody who might have been molested. You know, as 94 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: he pointed out, you know, you can't tell me with 95 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: a million files and maybe five million documents, only two 96 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: people have been held accountable for this, Julane Maxwell and Epstein. 97 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 2: I mean, there's just too much there there and it 98 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 2: just ends up demanding the American public demands of all 99 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: political stripes. Give us the damned documents, let us draw 100 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 2: our own conclusions. 101 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: That's what the law says, correct, and Congressman Nasty is correct. 102 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: As a matter of law, a newly enacted just like 103 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 3: a subsequently enacted amendment to the Constitution. Trump's lowercase te 104 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 3: that which preceded it. Congress is presumed to intend to 105 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: have overridden whatever might be inconsistent with what it has 106 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: just enacted. So the Epstein Transparency Act is the law 107 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: of the land. In the Attorney General, she keeps claiming 108 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: she has four hundred lawyers and one hundred FBI agents 109 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: going through the files. Nobody believes that it couldn't possibly 110 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: be taking them that long. What are they redacting when 111 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 3: they retact? Congressman Messy knows that's better than if they 112 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: have to say what it is, not who it is, 113 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: but what it is. This was redacted because it identified 114 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: a thirteen year old girl who was abused on the 115 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: day that to put that in the margin. They have 116 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: done that. None of these reactions explain in the margin 117 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: what is being redacted or why it was retacted. It 118 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: is clear they don't want to do their job. Dan 119 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: Bongino resigned over this. I'm not a Dan Bongino fan, 120 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: but I believe he's been intellectually honest in this respect. 121 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: It is clear something's being hidden, and they're going to 122 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: drag their feet as long. 123 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: As they can, obviously, And of course that just ends 124 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: up raising burning questions like how come Donald Trump campaigned 125 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: to releasing the Epstein files and then immediately did one 126 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: to eighty after he was elected and said there's no 127 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: nothing to see there. I'm sorry, man, I can't abide 128 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: by that, whether it's a Republican or Democrat or anybody 129 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: else in office. And apparently, as you point out, overwhelmingly 130 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: approve the legislation to produce them. This is the first 131 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: time I've seen an exercise and bipartisanship along this level 132 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: in as far back as I can remember. 133 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 3: Correct, you know, Congressman Massey, in the most divisive partisan 134 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: era in modern memory in the congres demonstrated that when 135 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: you articulate clearly a value, and when the value resonates 136 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 3: in people's hearts hear the truth, you can achieve a 137 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: bipartisan goal. I can't imagine the Congressman Massi's voting record 138 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: coincides with Congressman Rowe Kahana Ball, but in this respect, 139 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: they achieved a marvelous bipartisan role because they appealed to 140 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: people's sense of truth and honesty and fairness. And they 141 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: did this in the most radically partisan Congress in recent memories, 142 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: Congress so radically partisan that the leadership of each party 143 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 3: doesn't even want to talk to each other. 144 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 2: Well, going back to Congressman Massey's record, he did bring 145 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: that up in spy the way Donald Trump might lead 146 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: you to believe, calling him, I believe the worst Republican 147 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: congressman that exists. Nine percent of his votes went with 148 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: the republic Party judge of Politia. So he's got a 149 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: sound record. If you just don't look at any one 150 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: given piece of legislation or anyone given position, can I 151 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 2: pivot of a real quickly, sir? The oral arguments on 152 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: in connection with upholding the transgender sports bans that exist 153 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 2: in a multitude of states, argued yesterday, And in spite 154 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: of the fact that I did practice law for quite 155 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: a long time, I don't consider myself a constitutional lawyer, 156 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: but I will profess in reading not just the entire opinion, 157 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: in just reading the summaries of it. A lot of confusion. 158 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 2: Considering that someone calling themselves a sex that they're not 159 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 2: already confuses me. The line of questioning back and forth. 160 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 2: I'm sorry I had a difficult time working my way 161 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: through it, even though the general consensus from the legal 162 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: experts is the Supreme Court looks like it'll be upholding 163 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: the transgender sports bans. Any reaction from what you've read 164 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: about the arguments yesterday, Sir, I could. 165 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 3: Not agree with him all you much as much of 166 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 3: what Justice Kavanaugh said was psycho babble out of the 167 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: editorial pages of newspapers that have nothing to do, nothing 168 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 3: to do with the law. Even my former debate partner 169 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: and longtime friend and Princeton classmate, Justice Alito, I thought, 170 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 3: got off into the weeds. The issue here is the 171 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: right of the states to legislate for health and safety 172 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: versus the commands of the Congress that the state not 173 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 3: discriminate on the basis of sex. What does that word 174 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: mean In nineteen sixty four, when the first of these 175 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: statutes was written, and in nineteen seventy two, when the 176 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 3: second of these statutes was written, it meant gender. Today 177 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: it has such a broad meaning that it has anything 178 00:10:54,160 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 3: whatsoever to do with sex. My person I admire most 179 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 3: on the Court was did not tip his hand yesterday. 180 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 3: Justice to Gorsuch he's the one who wrote the opinion 181 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: along with the liberals on the Court, applying the Civil 182 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 3: Rights Act of sixty four to LGBTQ, even though the 183 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 3: Senate expressly rejected that in sixty four twice because they 184 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: used a word sex, which today means sexuality. So it's 185 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: hard to fathom what is meant by this word today 186 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: compared to what it was meant by it two generations ago. 187 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: But it's pretty clear this will be five to four, 188 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 3: the Chief Justice with the conservatives and Gorsage with the liberals, 189 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 3: upholding the right of the state to protect little girls 190 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: from competition by biological boys. 191 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 2: Well, let's hope that common sense prevails. And look how 192 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: far we've come. Where you and I would agreed all 193 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: day long, as would every single physician on the planet, 194 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: that sex is whether you're a male or female, defined 195 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 2: by your chromosomal reality. Boy, we have gone way, way, 196 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: way the hell away from that. But that's what was 197 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: thought about and discussed when they passed the title nine, right, 198 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: that's all they were considering context right. 199 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 3: Then, when they passed the when they passed this stuff 200 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: in sixty four and seventy two, the concept of gender 201 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: transitioning wasn't even in the wildest imaginations of Ballmaker's much 202 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: less doctors. 203 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: Reinvent history much in the way they're reinventing the language 204 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: and definitions that we use radically, sounding like or well 205 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: in the ministry of truth. The judge entered Apolitano. God 206 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: bless you, sir. I know the Congressman mass who has 207 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: been enjoying the conversation, and I appreciate your support to him, 208 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 2: and he appreciate heates his I know you appreciate his 209 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 2: support of you. 210 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: Sir. 211 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 2: We'll have you on next Wednesday. Do it again. God 212 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: bless you, and thanks again for your commentary. 213 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 3: Sir. Thank you all the best to Congressman Massy, to 214 00:12:58,840 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: you and to your audience. 215 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: Ryan appreciate it much. It's eight forty four right now. 216 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: If you have Kersey the talk station