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Speaker 3: All right, well, two of those three things are true

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Speaker 3: except for the first one because Mario Bailey is not here.

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Speaker 3: He's in Australia, so he will not be joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully we can get him on Saturday's pregame show while

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Speaker 3: Greg and I are slogging it to Wisconsin, flying out

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Speaker 3: there in Class Baby with Delta Airlines on Thursday, doing

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Speaker 3: the show Friday night from Madison to the place called

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Speaker 3: You'll Love This the Scanie Bar out in Madison on

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Speaker 3: Friday night at five o'clock Central time. So Greg, bring

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Speaker 3: your wallet because you're buying. How are you man? What's

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Speaker 3: going on.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm doing all right. I'm gonna leave my wallet

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Speaker 4: at home. My purpose Rich Moore hopefully's covering everything. And

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Speaker 4: I guess the real real question is this, how early

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Speaker 4: do we have to be there before our flight in

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Speaker 4: order to make it on time? With all the shutdown stuff?

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Speaker 4: We got three hours, four hours before five, hardly we

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Speaker 4: got to get their home.

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Speaker 3: So the word is there's one air traffic controller on

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Speaker 3: the job right now and one tsach and he may

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Speaker 3: be taking a lunch while we take off. So we're

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Speaker 3: leaving Thursday around one thirty. I'll see you there tonight.

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Speaker 3: By the way, how about that we'll meet either tonight,

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Speaker 3: have a little nice to do whatever, Well, I will

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Speaker 3: bill rich Moore for it. Well, Mario's out Dix here

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Speaker 3: as well, so we'll talk some dogs and Greg. I

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Speaker 3: gotta tell you, man, I was out there today talking

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Speaker 3: to Carver Willison, John Mills, and even more impressed with

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Speaker 3: John Mills after I spoke to him.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know this or not.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that he literally just turned eighteen, like

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Speaker 3: a week and a half ago.

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Speaker 1: So that means in the.

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Speaker 3: Opener, in the Big ten opener, He's seventeen years old,

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Speaker 3: starting at left guard and looking good like playing well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not some schlump out there.

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Speaker 3: So Greg, how impressed and almost floored have you been

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Speaker 3: by what this now eighteen year old kid has been doing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we've had conversations so far this year

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Speaker 4: talking about that this guy is a future All American.

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Speaker 4: He's a future NFL player, And there's nothing about him

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Speaker 4: that I've seen on the field that would tell me

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Speaker 4: any different. You know, a little bit of a bump

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Speaker 4: in the road with the injury, but you know, thinking

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Speaker 4: about him coming back last week playing well, and now

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Speaker 4: they had a week or two weeks ago, now they've

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Speaker 4: had this week off and going down to Wisconsin. I

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Speaker 4: just think that boat's so much better for the Huskies

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Speaker 4: in what they're going to need to do in order

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Speaker 4: to get the win down there. Him and Carver on

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Speaker 4: that left side being strong again. But yeah, John's amazing

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Speaker 4: and I don't expect him to be here more than

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Speaker 4: three years and then soon thereafter be playing on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: The run game with those guys in is just simply different.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Jonah Coleman's yards per carries three point one

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Speaker 5: in the three games that Willis and Mills were out together.

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Speaker 5: So is it just as easy as snap of a finger,

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Speaker 5: Willis's back, mills Is back, They're going to be able

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Speaker 5: to run the football the rest of the season, or

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Speaker 5: is there still some concerns in your mind with the

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Speaker 5: run game.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if I've ever had what I

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Speaker 4: you know, all of those things matter, the offensive line

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Speaker 4: being healthy. I think we have a really really good

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Speaker 4: is always going to depend on the coach's willingness to

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Speaker 4: continue to pound the ball get into the second half

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Speaker 4: where we've worn some defenses down. I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: game a little bit. We like to, you know, toss

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Speaker 4: at data, I'm sure, do better in the second half

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Speaker 4: after they've run the ball fifteen to twenty times in

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Speaker 3: And that I mean, Greg, you're saying the run games okay.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's that's a major disappointment, right. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if you were to told me in August that you

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not good enough.

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Speaker 3: Not with Joan Coleman coming back, and guys, he's if

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Speaker 3: you just look at Big Ten games, he's fifteenth in

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Speaker 1: He hasn't even.

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Speaker 3: Cracked three hundred yards, got four touchdowns, but he's nowhere

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Speaker 3: right now. This is not even close. So but those

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Speaker 3: guys were out for three of those five games. Well yeah,

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Speaker 3: so what I mean voters don't care about that though.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it all works together. If those guys are out,

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Speaker 4: then you're less likely to pound the run game, so

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Speaker 4: you're less likely to get Jonah those carries, especially you know,

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Speaker 4: early in the game first half and wearing that defensive

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Speaker 4: and he gives some bigger chunk of yards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you look, you cannot tell me that

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Speaker 4: Jonah Coleman is not a talented, really good running back

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Speaker 4: and that the run game after three yards it's about him.

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Speaker 4: It's not about him. It's about the reluctance of pounding

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Speaker 4: the football that they just don't do that well.

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Speaker 1: And see, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's about those guys being out dick,

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Speaker 3: because I thought that Jonah Coleman was the kind of

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Speaker 3: matter who was on the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: And it's not like they brought in chopped liver.

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Speaker 3: They brought in a guy that started last year, and

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Speaker 3: they brought in a four star second year player in

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Speaker 3: Pockey Fee Now. And I actually I think McCree and

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Speaker 3: Fenale played okay when they were in there for Carver

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Speaker 3: Willis and John Mills. But Greg, you're exactly right, because

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Speaker 3: you go back and look at Ohio State thirteen carries,

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Speaker 3: and he's only done it once.

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Speaker 1: In his last ten Big Ten games. That's crazy, man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just the style thing. And you know, whether

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Speaker 4: those guys being out dictated that or not, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: You know, those backup guys they did, they played pretty good.

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Speaker 4: You know, I wouldn't you know, say they're the same, No,

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Speaker 4: be some reluctives on the coach of staff site, but

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Speaker 4: I just don't think that right now. They they believe

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Speaker 4: their best option is to drop back and hand the

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Speaker 4: ball off to him twenty five times. And you know,

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Speaker 4: whether that's two or not doesn't matter of the coaches

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Speaker 4: they're calling the plays and us they like to do.

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Speaker 4: And of course we do have a weapon at the

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Speaker 4: quarter of acquisition and some wide receivers that are playing well,

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Speaker 4: and so you know, it makes it a little tougher

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Speaker 4: to keep turning around handing the ball off well.

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Speaker 5: Just to provide some contacts. He only did it twice

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Speaker 5: last year, so it's not like he did it all

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Speaker 5: the time last year and is not not doing it

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Speaker 5: this year. But Greg, what have we learned about this team?

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Speaker 5: I'm having a hard time with any huge takeaways because

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Speaker 5: they've lost to the two really good teams we've played,

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Speaker 5: and they've beaten all the mediocre to good teams all

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Speaker 5: of all the one pretty handily.

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Speaker 1: So you know, what are what is this team right now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think you're seeing a team that's signing that

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Speaker 4: out themselves through the course of the year. You got

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Speaker 4: a lot of different guys playing this year than played

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Speaker 4: last year. You have a new coordinator on the defensive

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Speaker 4: side of the football, and so these guys are figuring

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Speaker 4: that out and determining who they are. And when you

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Speaker 4: have a talented team, talented players weapons like they do,

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Speaker 4: you grow together as the season goes along. So I

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Speaker 4: think early in the year, you know, having to jump

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Speaker 4: and learning how to win on the road. Last year's

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Speaker 4: zero row wins. This year we've gotten some row wins.

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Speaker 4: But going into Michigan at nine am, you know, was

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Speaker 4: a tough task. And so I think this is a

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Speaker 4: good football team that's getting better every week. You have

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Speaker 4: a quarterback that is still in his first twelve thirteen

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Speaker 4: starts as a college football player who's super talented, who's

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Speaker 4: getting better every week but each week, but we've seen

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Speaker 4: him have a stinker two here there, and that's when

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Speaker 4: they typically don't win. So I think what we have

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Speaker 4: is a really good football team that's still growing together

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Speaker 4: but getting better every single week. And I think they

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Speaker 4: have an opportunity here with this stretch of games being favorites.

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Speaker 4: You know, Wisconsin's zero to five in the Big ten

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Speaker 4: and two and six overall, this is a game you

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Speaker 4: should win and you should continue to grow together as

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Speaker 4: a team. So I think by the time the season

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Speaker 4: is over, we might have a nine to ten win

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Speaker 4: football team because they are literally getting better every week

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Speaker 4: sensibly and defensively.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no excuse to lose any of these next three.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Ucla, Perdue, Wisconsin are all games that Washington

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Speaker 3: is going to be heavily favored. And I think they're

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Speaker 3: ten and a half point favorites this week it Wisconsin,

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Speaker 3: at least that's the last number that I saw, So,

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Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing about Wisconsin though, Man.

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Speaker 1: They're scrappy.

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Speaker 3: I mean they held Oregon to seven points in their

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Speaker 3: or two weeks ago and held the Ducks to twenty one.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean, when the when.

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Speaker 3: The fire gets hot and they start talking about firing people,

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Speaker 3: things can go one of two ways. And you saw

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Speaker 3: the way it went in Penn State and maybe it's

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Speaker 3: starting to turn around there in Wisconsin. So making the

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Speaker 3: road trip multiple time zones. But why is it always

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Speaker 3: that the defense can dictate the tempo of a game?

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Speaker 3: Why can't the Huskies show up and they dictate the

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Speaker 3: tempo of this game?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that's what needs to happen this week offensively,

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Speaker 4: and you know, let's not you know, make this dramatic.

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Speaker 4: You scored seventeen points. He used to win this football game, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 4: let's score one touchdown their last three games. Of course,

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Speaker 4: that's Iowa, Michigan, Ohio State some tough defenses, but they

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Speaker 4: haven't scored more than fourteen all year. Their best offensive

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Speaker 4: output is fourteen couple tens and that's it. So you

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Speaker 4: score seventeen points, you should beat these guys. Having said that,

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Speaker 4: if you can go out and play offense on the

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the statistics show that they're playing

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Speaker 1: So how curious are you? How interested are you? Greg?

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Speaker 3: To see where the Huskies are ranked at five o'clock

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I know I made a big stink last

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Speaker 4: interested only to see that we're in it, that we're

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Speaker 4: I think that's possible.

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Speaker 6: But you do think they're going to be ranked at five, right?

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Speaker 4: I would assume they will be, but again, you know,

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Speaker 4: As long as we're in the top twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you win these next three games, and maybe

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Speaker 3: and I don't know if you guys ever really dived

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Speaker 3: I mean, they got two quarterbacks that have combined to

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Speaker 3: So what are we worried about? And e's Aslee Jones.

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Speaker 4: But I think those defenses have been completely better than Wisconsin's.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're healthiest running back. I don't know if this said,

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Speaker 5: Shut them down. And we talked about the cornerbacks. Let's

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Speaker 6: think a point to make is that he in his

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Speaker 6: second year was not just Pro Bowl, but first team

436
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Speaker 6: All Pro punt returner. One of the things that I

437
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 6: haven't mentioned. I didn't mention it earlier. I haven't heard

438
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Speaker 6: it mentioned. It's possible. Don't sleep on this as one

439
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 6: of the reasons you may we might be thinking, oh man,

440
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 6: this is like a slam on Tory Horton. It actually

441
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Speaker 6: may be the reverse that you say, Tory Horton's too

442
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Speaker 6: valuable to have as the punt return right and put

443
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Speaker 6: this guy back. You know, look, I'm not forecasting not

444
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 6: I'm not projecting that. I'm just saying as I kind

445
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Speaker 6: of look at everything and evaluate everything, that's a possibility

446
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Speaker 6: that emerges in my mind.

447
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Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this because I heard you

448
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Speaker 3: with MJ earlier today and to just kind of recap

449
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 3: the emotions. I thought that you felt like, Hey, I

450
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 3: like the player, but fourth and fifth maybe a little

451
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Speaker 3: bit too rich for my blood. Now that you've watched

452
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Speaker 3: more film, you've watched more tape, you've thought about it

453
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Speaker 3: for the last five six hours, do you still feel

454
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Speaker 3: that way or does this feel like a deal that

455
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Speaker 3: you can sign off on and feel good about. Well,

456
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Speaker 3: I think that if for me personally, if I said Okay,

457
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Speaker 3: yeah it's good, then it's barely good.

458
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Speaker 6: If it's not good, then it's barely not good. In

459
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Speaker 6: terms of the value, we just don't know. I feel

460
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Speaker 6: like every time I I the more I watch him,

461
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Speaker 6: I just say, the word par just keeps coming up

462
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Speaker 6: to mind, like you're getting a you know, a number

463
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Speaker 6: two receiver that's kind of middle of the road, not

464
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Speaker 6: like not like a number two that's scratching at being

465
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Speaker 6: a number one. You know, could you argue he's more

466
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Speaker 6: of a fringe number two than than than than the former. Perhaps,

467
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Speaker 6: I think when I go through his skill set and

468
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Speaker 6: his traits, everything just kind of screams par at me.

469
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Speaker 6: So there's nothing that he does that is really elite.

470
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Speaker 6: But I don't think he has any glaring weaknesses, perhaps

471
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Speaker 6: other than his size at five ten and five eighths

472
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Speaker 6: at the combine he's one eighty five. I'm certain he

473
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Speaker 6: weighs about ten pounds heavier than that. So he looks good,

474
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Speaker 6: you know. To that point, they had a rep where

475
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Speaker 6: they lined him up at tail The Saints lined him

476
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Speaker 6: up at tailback this year, and they on second three

477
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 6: against Cowboys, they just topped tossed him the ball like

478
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 6: he was canine and you know, he had a pretty

479
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Speaker 6: good run, got the first down four yards on second three.

480
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 6: So so you don't do that unless you feel like

481
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 6: there's a durability factor and then there's a running factory.

482
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 6: Now he's had eight runs in two years, six from

483
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Speaker 6: a year ago, uh for four and a quarter you know,

484
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 6: yards per rush nothing, you know, when I watch, I say,

485
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 6: is there a burst there? That's that's elite? No, I

486
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 6: don't see an elite burst. But do I am I

487
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 6: disappointed in his speed?

488
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Speaker 4: No?

489
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Speaker 6: I think he's fast. Look, if you're five ten and

490
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 6: five eights and you know one one ninety five, you

491
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Speaker 6: better be fast. So when I when I when when I?

492
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Speaker 6: When you see a bubble, a rocket sweep or a

493
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 6: jet sweep whatever, call the what you want or bubble

494
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 6: screen as they've they've done, you would expect him to

495
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 6: show some twitch, and he does. He shows again par

496
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Speaker 6: par for what you'd expect at that size and and

497
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Speaker 6: given you know his stats he's got in his entire career,

498
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Speaker 6: he's got two yard two games over one hundred yards receiving,

499
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 6: you know, So I just I don't know that we

500
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 6: can expect anything, you know, to carry on the analogy.

501
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 6: I don't think we can expect a lot of birdies

502
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Speaker 6: and eagles from this guy, but I think he can

503
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 6: just be, you know, give you a par performance on

504
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 6: a Sunday inn and Sunday out basis. And and and

505
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 6: a final thought, I'm sure this has occurred to you

506
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Speaker 6: and everybody. How many times have you thought in the

507
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 6: last few days and weeks, how screw of the Seattle Seahawks,

508
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 6: if JSN gets hurt like that could just grind the

509
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 6: whole thing down, like literally just like pull the emergency

510
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 6: brake on the entire offense, so that there could be

511
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 6: a component of this, like hey, we got to just

512
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 6: cover our ass, you know. So there's a there's a

513
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 6: lot of elements that that I think that this in

514
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 6: boxes that this checks.

515
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Speaker 5: You talked about him visa v. Horton in the punt

516
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Speaker 5: return game. How about in the wide receiver game. Is

517
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 5: there a redundancy in his skill set that there is

518
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Speaker 5: with Horton or are they different guys?

519
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 6: I think they're a lot different.

520
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 4: Dick.

521
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Speaker 6: Now, now I would have projected him just looking at it,

522
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Speaker 6: you know. To me, I look at his athletic traits,

523
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 6: and then I look at his specific wide receiver traits.

524
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Speaker 6: And I know you'll ask me about that, but but

525
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 6: his athletic traits would to me correlate to a slot

526
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 6: receiver at his size and his quickness, right, and and

527
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 6: yet for this year he's got forty two percent of

528
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 6: his his UH snaps are in the slot. A year ago,

529
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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty four, when Clint Kubiak was his offensive coordinator,

530
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Speaker 6: it was just twenty five percent in the slot. So

531
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Speaker 6: that ought to tell you something. And then and then

532
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 6: his receptions forty one percent from the slot this year,

533
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 6: forty percent from the slot last year. He only had

534
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 6: twenty catches last year. But uh so, so I think

535
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Speaker 6: Tory Horton is a long, striding, six foot two, gliding,

536
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 6: you know, outside threat, uh you know, with really good

537
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 6: ball skills and and and that size, you know, the

538
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 6: ability to go up and over and and what have you.

539
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 6: When I watch when I watch uh Shaheed here, you know,

540
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 6: obviously he's a lot shorter, and you know he can

541
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Speaker 6: kind of get eaten up some times on those press

542
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 6: fades when when you press him in a lot of routes.

543
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 6: Keep this in mind, when you're the outside receiver and

544
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 6: you get pressed a lot of routes, the hitch route,

545
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 6: a quick out route, a twelve yard six step speed out,

546
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 6: a skinny post. There's a lot of routes in the

547
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 6: playbook that convert to a fade. So if you want

548
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 6: to reduce the rout tree from a guy who lines

549
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 6: up outside, and we just gave you the numbers the

550
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 6: degree to which he's outside, then now all of a

551
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 6: sudden you say, okay, well that converts to a faide. Well,

552
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 6: if you don't have at that size, if you don't

553
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Speaker 6: have the elite acceleration in that you know, the first

554
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 6: couple to eight yards so that you can get because

555
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 6: your size on't Like, just go watch the forty nine

556
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 6: er tape and the you know, I mean there's a

557
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 6: number of times where where if he doesn't get the separation.

558
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 6: Now as a quarterback, you're trying to drop it down

559
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 6: the shoot on a guy under five eleven and and

560
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 6: and those corners they just you know, they're used to

561
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 6: having the battle taller guys out there, and they can

562
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 6: kind of swallow you up. So I think there's a

563
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 6: there's an element of him where I'd say, is there

564
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 6: anything that's subpart Let me go back to the analogy. Yeah,

565
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 6: I think there's a bogie in there when when you

566
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 6: talk about if he doesn't win at the line of

567
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 6: scrimmage down the field against a bigger corners, that's not

568
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 6: a matchup you like.

569
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 3: Well, here, we talked a week ago about the percentage

570
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: of passes that are going to Jackson Smith and Jigbath

571
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 3: and were compared it to everybody else in the NFL. Right,

572
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase thirty five, Olave was at twenty nine, Christian

573
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 3: McCaffrey twenty four point seven, Kamara twenty three, Lad McConkie,

574
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: Pukainaku at twenty three, twenty six. Well after Sunday night,

575
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: Jackson Smith and Jigba is now at thirty seven percent.

576
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: Thirty seven percent of all passes go to him. So

577
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: the point you made about, hey, if this guy goes

578
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: down their hoes, they need some depth there. But I'm curious,

579
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: do you think this d is made if Cooper Cup

580
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 3: is healthy, playing every game and producing.

581
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Speaker 6: No. No, I do not, And they've had Oh man,

582
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 6: I hadn't meant to get an update, but they've been.

583
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 6: They have been right around the lowest percent of the

584
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 6: use of eleven personnel. That's what all of the league.

585
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 6: It was sixty one percent as league wide last year,

586
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 6: it's fifty eight percent, so a slight dip this year.

587
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 6: But every team other than the Ravens have been that's

588
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 6: their number one personnel group by a mile. Nothing's close

589
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 6: again eleven personnel and which means you got three receivers.

590
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 6: So the Seahawks have not done that. I think that

591
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 6: if Cooper Cup no, you know, productive as you phrase

592
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 6: the question, Dave, as a relative term. One man's productive

593
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 6: is another man's ho hom par. But but I think

594
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 6: I know they understand of the intent of your question.

595
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 6: I think if if Cup were healthy and you were

596
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 6: getting more out of him, no, I don't think that

597
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 6: you part with a fourth and fifth rounder. That was

598
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 6: the thing that got me this morning. I'm sitting here

599
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 6: in the middle of As soon as I hear about

600
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 6: the tape, i jump on the computer and I'm looking

601
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 6: at the coaches tape and and and on my left screen,

602
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 6: I've got the the All twenty two sideline. On the right,

603
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 6: it's got the end zone. I'm I'm dissecting this. I'm

604
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 6: formulating my opinions. And then I hear as i'm watching,

605
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 6: I hear fourth and fifth rounder, and I just I

606
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 6: kind of had a you know, I was by myself,

607
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 6: but I had a little grown you know, my eyeballs

608
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 6: grown fourth and fifth like ow that hurts him. So

609
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 6: so I'm gonna I'm gonna look. I think he's gonna

610
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 6: make an impact. I think between now and Christmas and

611
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 6: hopefully now in Groundhog's Day and beyond, we say I

612
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 6: was worth it, but I'm worried that on April, you know,

613
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 6: the third week in April, we're going to do the draft.

614
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 6: And I said, damn, I wish we had that fourth

615
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 6: and fifth And he said, well, what kind of production

616
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 6: we get?

617
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 5: You know?

618
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: So therein lies my concern. Gotcha all right? Man, Well

619
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Speaker 3: you said you've watched every wrap five times? Pick up

620
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: the pace man, all right, don't slack. I want I

621
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: want seven or eight times. By the time we talk

622
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: on my drive home tonight, you guys never even asked me.

623
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Speaker 6: About his wide receiver attributes.

624
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there looking you know what, because uh, well,

625
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: you know.

626
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 6: I talked to Verbose.

627
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: I got it. Do you want me to tell you why? Really?

628
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what.

629
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Speaker 3: We got more questions here when you come on, when

630
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: you come on Friday, we'll hit it again, right so hard,