1
00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,600
Speaker 1: Chance to win one thousand dollars.

2
00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,640
Speaker 2: Enter this nationwide keyword on our website.

3
00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,240
Speaker 1: Man bills, that's bills.

4
00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:07,400
Speaker 3: Enter it now.

5
00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:15,640
Speaker 4: You found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

6
00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,079
Speaker 1: You are going to be grossly disappointed if you tuned

7
00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:26,079
Speaker 1: in today thinking that moegger would be here. Moeger Mo

8
00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,440
Speaker 1: doesn't have a game of BORI doesn't have a game Saturday,

9
00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,400
Speaker 1: so he's taken a long weekend, and fortunately or unfortunately

10
00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,640
Speaker 1: for you here you are stuck with me. Yes, I

11
00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,600
Speaker 1: am ken Brew and believe it or not, And it

12
00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,320
Speaker 1: might come as a shock to some of the younger

13
00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,800
Speaker 1: end of the demo. I actually did this for a

14
00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,599
Speaker 1: living for forty five years and continue to do so

15
00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,200
Speaker 1: on WLW on Sundays at least, if not other days.

16
00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:56,080
Speaker 1: The Bengals never stop being the Bengals. You know that.

17
00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,560
Speaker 1: I know that the Bengals never stop beinging the Bengals.

18
00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:08,560
Speaker 1: Trade deadline comes, trade deadline goes. Trey Hendrickson's still here. Now.

19
00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,479
Speaker 1: There is a distinct line of thinking that you never

20
00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,840
Speaker 1: give up on the locker room. You never tell the

21
00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,839
Speaker 1: locker room you have no chance to win. You never

22
00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,680
Speaker 1: raise the right white flag. It's not fair to the

23
00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,800
Speaker 1: others that are in that locker room. That's one line

24
00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,480
Speaker 1: of thinking. Another line of thinking is this team is

25
00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,560
Speaker 1: going nowhere and Hendrickson is going someplace somewhere at the

26
00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:40,360
Speaker 1: end of this season. Why not, why not? Why not

27
00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,160
Speaker 1: at least look to the future. Now, I know, I know, stop,

28
00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,959
Speaker 1: just calm down. I understand when you say, why should

29
00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,160
Speaker 1: we give better or more draft picks to a group

30
00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:55,160
Speaker 1: that can't seem to draft to save their lives? But

31
00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,440
Speaker 1: this defense is historically bad, you know what, I know it.

32
00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,800
Speaker 1: Just look at the stats over the life three weeks.

33
00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,040
Speaker 1: Steelers had three hundred and ninety six total yards, one

34
00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,760
Speaker 1: hundred and forty seven of those yards on the ground.

35
00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,960
Speaker 1: The Jets had five hundred and two total yards, two

36
00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,800
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four on the ground, and the Bears

37
00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,480
Speaker 1: the Bears. The Bears had five hundred and seventy six

38
00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:24,480
Speaker 1: total yards, two hundred and eighty three of which came

39
00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,840
Speaker 1: on the ground. But yet no changes. We go to

40
00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,000
Speaker 1: the bye week, We enterre out of the bye week.

41
00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,000
Speaker 1: Next stop is a game at Pittsburgh a week from

42
00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,720
Speaker 1: this coming Sunday, and we have no changes save for

43
00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,600
Speaker 1: Logan Wilson, who had found the bench more than he

44
00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,919
Speaker 1: found any place else. Yes, they're going with youth at linebacker.

45
00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,120
Speaker 1: It's kind of strange you ever think about that they're

46
00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,480
Speaker 1: gonna go with the kids at linebacker, yet they want

47
00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,800
Speaker 1: to hold on to the end that they might have

48
00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,080
Speaker 1: been able to get something for had they elected to

49
00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,880
Speaker 1: trade him at the deadline. Nevertheless, no changes on the field,

50
00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,080
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor said this week, No changes in his coaching staff.

51
00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,400
Speaker 1: These are good football coaches.

52
00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,799
Speaker 5: They've been successful everywhere they've been and so again, we're

53
00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,000
Speaker 5: still in the first half of the season. We all

54
00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,600
Speaker 5: know we got to play better as a football team.

55
00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,840
Speaker 5: There's been challenges or offenses faced over of course the season.

56
00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,280
Speaker 5: We worked through them. We're playing better for it. There's

57
00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,840
Speaker 5: challenges are defense they're facing right now. I'm confident that

58
00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,200
Speaker 5: we're going to work through it. We're going to play

59
00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,360
Speaker 5: better football and find a way to win some games.

60
00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,840
Speaker 1: Find a way to win some games, find a way

61
00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,919
Speaker 1: to win some games. Right now, the Bengals are three

62
00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,040
Speaker 1: and six. They got eight games to go to get

63
00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,560
Speaker 1: to ten wins. They got to go seven and one

64
00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,800
Speaker 1: over those final games, seven and one to get to

65
00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,040
Speaker 1: nine wins, which might be the threshold. I don't know.

66
00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows how things play out. Nobody operates

67
00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,640
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. And you tell me what kind of

68
00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,000
Speaker 1: health the teams like the Ravens and the Steelers are

69
00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,320
Speaker 1: going to be in in December. You tell me the

70
00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,840
Speaker 1: kind of health that the Bengals will be in come December,

71
00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,560
Speaker 1: and then maybe I can give you an idea of

72
00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,600
Speaker 1: exactly how I think the season plays out. Let's just

73
00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:06,040
Speaker 1: say seven and one? Does Does Cincinnati go seven and

74
00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,400
Speaker 1: one with a schedule that features at the Steelers home

75
00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,600
Speaker 1: with surprising New England at Baltimore on a short week

76
00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:21,040
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving night? Then after that following Sunday at Buffalo, back

77
00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,240
Speaker 1: home to play Baltimore again at Miami late in December,

78
00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,440
Speaker 1: then a game at home against Arizona, then a finale

79
00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,960
Speaker 1: at home against Cleveland. Do they go seven and one

80
00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,919
Speaker 1: with that schedule? Do they go six and two with

81
00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,200
Speaker 1: that schedule? There bumps along the way for that team.

82
00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,360
Speaker 1: Currently they're in eleventh place. Seven teams make it. They're

83
00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,359
Speaker 1: in eleventh place right now, And of course all of

84
00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,760
Speaker 1: that changes because we don't know who are going to win,

85
00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,280
Speaker 1: which teams are going to win these divisions, which teams

86
00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,279
Speaker 1: are wildcards, what the tie breakers are. It's a fools

87
00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,280
Speaker 1: game really to get into it at this point. But

88
00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:02,080
Speaker 1: my point is the Bengals never stop being the Bengals.

89
00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,120
Speaker 1: And although I think they'll probably get some sort of

90
00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,000
Speaker 1: compensation for Trey Hendrickson when he walks the compensatory picks

91
00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,240
Speaker 1: and the formulas that are going there, that can make

92
00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,080
Speaker 1: your head explode at this point, if you try to

93
00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,040
Speaker 1: think about it, you just wonder what the thinking is

94
00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,360
Speaker 1: inside the office. If it's just a more emphasis on tackling,

95
00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,839
Speaker 1: does that change the narrative over these final games? Just

96
00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,320
Speaker 1: change the way we go about tackling. Somebody asked Cam

97
00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,240
Speaker 1: Taylor Britt that in the locker room earlier this week.

98
00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,080
Speaker 1: Cam Cam Taylor, Cam Taylor Britt, what is it with

99
00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,120
Speaker 1: all the mistackles?

100
00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,240
Speaker 6: Bring your legs, man? I think that's the biggest thing.

101
00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,360
Speaker 6: With a lot of mistackles and rubs, one step closer

102
00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,680
Speaker 6: to the tycle. I think now you can shoot it,

103
00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,720
Speaker 6: you know, as fast as it's possible in everything, but

104
00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,360
Speaker 6: the arm tackles don't work in anyone as the NFL.

105
00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,320
Speaker 1: Well, he may want to practice what he preaches because

106
00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,440
Speaker 1: right now the Bengals, particularly in their secondary can't tackle. Now.

107
00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,599
Speaker 1: I don't know how you teach tackling in the middle

108
00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,080
Speaker 1: of a season. I don't know how you practice it

109
00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of a season. Teams are reticent to

110
00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,720
Speaker 1: go full bore in any practice. This ain't training camp,

111
00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,719
Speaker 1: and even in training camp, it's not the way it

112
00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,240
Speaker 1: used to be. We saw that this team had difficulty

113
00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,359
Speaker 1: tackling in the preseason. We saw it in the exhibition

114
00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,760
Speaker 1: games they played. I know that's OG terminology for exit

115
00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,000
Speaker 1: for preseason games. They're exhibition games, and we saw that

116
00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:34,480
Speaker 1: they could not tackle. Can't fix it midseason. You can

117
00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,000
Speaker 1: talk about technique, you can talk about positioning. When you

118
00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,120
Speaker 1: get out on the field and everything starts accelerating at

119
00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,680
Speaker 1: not thirty miles an hour, but one hundred miles an hour,

120
00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,760
Speaker 1: that's when the trouble begins. And so here they enter

121
00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,880
Speaker 1: this final stretch of games at three and six, statistically

122
00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,920
Speaker 1: still with a chance to make it. Pittsburgh leads the division.

123
00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,320
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is a shaky division leader. They go to the

124
00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,720
Speaker 1: Left Coast this weekend to play the Chargers, then they

125
00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,760
Speaker 1: welcome in the Bengals. Then they got to go to

126
00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,720
Speaker 1: Chicago and after Chicago, they get Buffalo and Pittsburgh, and

127
00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,160
Speaker 1: then they go to go to Baltimore. That's not exactly

128
00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,840
Speaker 1: an easy road. They get Miami just like the Bengals do.

129
00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,080
Speaker 1: Miami is a complete disaster. But then they got to

130
00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,600
Speaker 1: go to Detroit. Then they have to go to Cleveland,

131
00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,680
Speaker 1: which is always a difficult matchup for them, for anyone

132
00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,360
Speaker 1: really inside the division. And then they finished with Baltimore,

133
00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:35,440
Speaker 1: shaky shaky division leader in Pittsburgh. Baltimore's got Lamar back.

134
00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,800
Speaker 1: Baltimore has to go to Minnesota this week. Then they

135
00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,440
Speaker 1: get Cleveland at home and the Jets at home. Those

136
00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,120
Speaker 1: ought to be manageable wins for them. Then they get

137
00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,560
Speaker 1: the Bengals, then they get the Steelers, now home for

138
00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,360
Speaker 1: a while, then they come here. Then they go home

139
00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,240
Speaker 1: and play New England at Green Bay and Pittsburgh. Tough

140
00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,040
Speaker 1: way to finish up, but a forgiving schedule. None the

141
00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,880
Speaker 1: least all division leaders in the National Football League have

142
00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,720
Speaker 1: at least six wins, except the five two to one

143
00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,840
Speaker 1: Packers and the five and three Steelers. That's where we stand,

144
00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,760
Speaker 1: and we're told, you know what, it's we just got

145
00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,520
Speaker 1: to rededicate ourselves. We've got to tackle better. We have

146
00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,480
Speaker 1: to put more time on task. We just have to

147
00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,680
Speaker 1: stop getting or as we were led to believe last

148
00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,920
Speaker 1: week and misaligned on big plays. This is an offense

149
00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,400
Speaker 1: that scored thirty three, thirty eight and forty two in

150
00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,280
Speaker 1: the last three weeks. Thirty eight against the Steelers, thirty

151
00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,880
Speaker 1: eight against the Jets, forty two against the Bears. They

152
00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,920
Speaker 1: lost two of those three, and everybody says, well, you

153
00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,840
Speaker 1: know what, they can distribute the ball. Jamar just needs

154
00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,880
Speaker 1: the ball. Just throw it at Higgins he's hot. Look

155
00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,480
Speaker 1: at Flacco, he's picked this up in the last couple

156
00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,840
Speaker 1: of weeks. Yeah, yeah, Well that's true. But there's a

157
00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:04,559
Speaker 1: difference between being able to score thirty three, thirty eight,

158
00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,520
Speaker 1: and forty two each week and having to score thirty eight,

159
00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,000
Speaker 1: forty two and thirty three points to win. Can you

160
00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,600
Speaker 1: count on that every week? Can you count on that?

161
00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,120
Speaker 1: And so here we sit at the bye week. We

162
00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,120
Speaker 1: look at a team that is a sieve defensively. We

163
00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,040
Speaker 1: look at a team that stood pat at the trade deadline.

164
00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,880
Speaker 1: Other than the Logan Wilson deal. We watch other teams

165
00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:38,199
Speaker 1: around the Bengals pull off significant acquisitions at the deadline.

166
00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,440
Speaker 1: Look at what the Ravens did. And yet we're led

167
00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:47,599
Speaker 1: to believe hold on to Trey Hendrickson, hold onto him.

168
00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,880
Speaker 1: Understand the message that goes to the locker room. You're

169
00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,040
Speaker 1: not waving the white flag. They're holding onto him. But

170
00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,199
Speaker 1: what are they doing. I mean, everybody on, everybody within

171
00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,439
Speaker 1: the sound of my voice, as we say in radio,

172
00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,920
Speaker 1: understand that Trey Hendrickson is done here at the end

173
00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,560
Speaker 1: of the year. He didn't want to stay. You're not

174
00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,000
Speaker 1: going to slap a franchise tag on him. Try that.

175
00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,960
Speaker 1: See what happens if they try that. He wants out,

176
00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,320
Speaker 1: he wants to go somewhere where he's going to get

177
00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,880
Speaker 1: a long term count contract, and it's obvious that's not

178
00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,960
Speaker 1: in the mix here in Cincinnati. So you hold on

179
00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,160
Speaker 1: to him to what till the locker room. We're not

180
00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,280
Speaker 1: raising the white flag. That can be done. Look at

181
00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,560
Speaker 1: all those games we want at the end of last year.

182
00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:34,360
Speaker 1: Look at that we rally every season. What's going on

183
00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,440
Speaker 1: is there is just as I say, is that the

184
00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:43,360
Speaker 1: Bengals never stop being the Bengals. And of course at

185
00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,800
Speaker 1: their core is the draft, which again is a head

186
00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,480
Speaker 1: scratcher because they did not part with Hendrickson. And by

187
00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,920
Speaker 1: the way, this wasn't anything that came as a shock,

188
00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,240
Speaker 1: nor should it have been. I think most people knew

189
00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,640
Speaker 1: this was not happening. So you hold on to him.

190
00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,600
Speaker 1: But you know that the core of your team, the

191
00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,200
Speaker 1: core of your team has always been the draft. Why

192
00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,679
Speaker 1: wouldn't you want to accumulate picks? I know, I mean,

193
00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,040
Speaker 1: do we really want to trust the same people that

194
00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,440
Speaker 1: gave us Miles Murphy as a first round pick in

195
00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, or Jermaine Burton as a third rounder

196
00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,080
Speaker 1: in twenty four, or it gave us a bus like

197
00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,480
Speaker 1: Jackson Carmen in round two of twenty one? Do we

198
00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:30,280
Speaker 1: really want to put more ammo in that weapon? But

199
00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,800
Speaker 1: that's your core. That's how you build. You don't knock

200
00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,880
Speaker 1: it dead with free agency. You don't. Hendrickson might be

201
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,079
Speaker 1: the last big time free agent that they signed. They

202
00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,160
Speaker 1: just don't play the game that way. So it's very,

203
00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,680
Speaker 1: very confusing, And there's been mixed signals here all in

204
00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,800
Speaker 1: this last week or so about what this team is

205
00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,680
Speaker 1: and where it's going. It can all be fixed, is

206
00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,800
Speaker 1: what we heard. Cam Taylor Brett. Can all be fixed.

207
00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,240
Speaker 1: You just got to tackle better. Zax Hndler.

208
00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:02,560
Speaker 7: Yeah.

209
00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,400
Speaker 1: Confidence in coaches, Yeah, you bet, you bet. We got

210
00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,880
Speaker 1: confidence in our coaches. It can all be fixed. Just

211
00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:16,920
Speaker 1: trust them. But what the hell is going on? It's

212
00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,320
Speaker 1: three sixteen in the afternoon. I'm so glad you're with us.

213
00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,559
Speaker 1: It's another terrific day in the tri State. No, we

214
00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,640
Speaker 1: had some rain early on today. Yeah too, at rain

215
00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,800
Speaker 1: like heck where I live. But it's a weekend, and

216
00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,880
Speaker 1: it's a good weekend. Bengals. Don't play, bear Cats, don't play.

217
00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,360
Speaker 1: Rest up, do the things you need to do, and

218
00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,480
Speaker 1: then jump back in it on Monday. But we're here

219
00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,880
Speaker 1: to help you get that weekend started in for Bogugre

220
00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,680
Speaker 1: today on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm ken brew a lot

221
00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,360
Speaker 1: to get to between now and when we sign off

222
00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,240
Speaker 1: at five thirty for UK basketball, the Wildcats up against

223
00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,320
Speaker 1: Valparizo tonight. That is the matchup at RUPP and that

224
00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,880
Speaker 1: is the game you will hear right here on the

225
00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,079
Speaker 1: home of your Cincinnati Bengals, esp fifteen thirty.

226
00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,800
Speaker 2: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

227
00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,720
Speaker 8: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center.

228
00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,079
Speaker 9: The Lung Cancer Rapid Access Program at the UC Cancer

229
00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,560
Speaker 9: Center is built to give you a care plant fast

230
00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,800
Speaker 9: meet with a specialist in two days called five one three,

231
00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,240
Speaker 9: five eighty five UCCC. Only one accident out there right now.

232
00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,680
Speaker 9: It is on Taylor Mill Road near Wayman's Branch Road.

233
00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,199
Speaker 9: Got some stop and go traffic as well along southbound

234
00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,719
Speaker 9: seventy five between Western Avenue and Port Washington Way, a

235
00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,240
Speaker 9: five to ten minute delay.

236
00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:34,920
Speaker 1: Right now.

237
00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,880
Speaker 8: I'm at ezelic with traffic.

238
00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:43,079
Speaker 1: This report is sponsored so right on Disco's Sounds of

239
00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:49,679
Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty, I am simply the man at the Flagely,

240
00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm not at the man at the cools. Karen Bland

241
00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:56,800
Speaker 1: is at the control today. Nevertheless, welcome on back. No great,

242
00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,880
Speaker 1: we have great listeners here at ESPN fifteen thirty. My

243
00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,840
Speaker 1: buddy Brian Goldberg, who of course is the superagent, just

244
00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,400
Speaker 1: dropped me a text. He said, look, here's how they

245
00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,720
Speaker 1: can win the division. He said, they go They literally

246
00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:15,560
Speaker 1: sweep the rest of the teams inside the division. The

247
00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,679
Speaker 1: one game they have left with Pittsburgh, the two they

248
00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,280
Speaker 1: have left with Baltimore, and the finale against the Cleveland Browns.

249
00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,880
Speaker 1: You sweep those. You're five and one inside the division

250
00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,240
Speaker 1: and five and one inside of the division. I think

251
00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:33,160
Speaker 1: that would pretty much not only win the division. If

252
00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,400
Speaker 1: you go five and one inside the division, you're suddenly

253
00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,160
Speaker 1: at eight and seven, right, you're three and six. You

254
00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,320
Speaker 1: to throw you out then at eight and seven if

255
00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,920
Speaker 1: you won your division games, and then you'd have to

256
00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,920
Speaker 1: pick up wins against Miami, which should be a win,

257
00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,640
Speaker 1: Arizona would should be a win, and who knows about

258
00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,560
Speaker 1: the others. So yeah, I mean it's doable. It's just

259
00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,920
Speaker 1: have you seen anything over the course of the last

260
00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,960
Speaker 1: month that would make you say, yeah, yeah, there's a yeah, absolutely, u'sdoable.

261
00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,480
Speaker 1: But no, if they go five and one inside the division,

262
00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,640
Speaker 1: then yeah, we're having a completely different conversation here at

263
00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:15,320
Speaker 1: the end of December. You know, sports radio is interesting.

264
00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,200
Speaker 1: I've always found it intriguing because what you have to

265
00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,880
Speaker 1: do in sports radio and for television for that matter,

266
00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,320
Speaker 1: is have hot takes hot takes, which is like, throw

267
00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,680
Speaker 1: something out there, and even if it's not backed up

268
00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,880
Speaker 1: with any sort of stat or substance, people talk. That's

269
00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,600
Speaker 1: all ESPN is anymore. If you turn it on, it

270
00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,200
Speaker 1: it's four people sitting around a table, one of whom

271
00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,680
Speaker 1: is a woman. The rest are former athletes or Steven

272
00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,480
Speaker 1: a smith, and they just throw out hot takes about things. Now,

273
00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,360
Speaker 1: what about you know what about the Cleveland Cavaliers. Are

274
00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,040
Speaker 1: they constructed to win an NBA championship and they throw

275
00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,160
Speaker 1: out hot takes like this is November. People know whether

276
00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,560
Speaker 1: or not they're going to win an NBA championship doesn't matter. Tautic.

277
00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,040
Speaker 1: So I'm watching ESPN for God's sake. I have no

278
00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,200
Speaker 1: idea why. I must have really been been bored, but

279
00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm watching the show that's on in the morning. Mike

280
00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,960
Speaker 1: Greenberg is on it. They have some other rotating guests.

281
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,720
Speaker 1: I think Rex Ryan is on it every so well.

282
00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,360
Speaker 1: And anyway, they had Adam Schefter on and so their

283
00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,640
Speaker 1: hot take topic was the Jets who have five number

284
00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,360
Speaker 1: one picks, five first round picks? Would the Jets trade

285
00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,400
Speaker 1: all five of their first round picks to the Bengals

286
00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,560
Speaker 1: to get Joe Burrow? And I'm sitting there listening to this,

287
00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,040
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself, why am I listening to this?

288
00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,440
Speaker 1: This is utter nonsense. Greenberg apparently is a big Jets fan,

289
00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:53,040
Speaker 1: and so he was asking for a friend. And here's

290
00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,120
Speaker 1: what Adam Schefter said, Nobody, you know, nobody. I think

291
00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,080
Speaker 1: took this seriously. At least I don't think so. But

292
00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,680
Speaker 1: here's their NFL insider on this. Would the Jets trade

293
00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,439
Speaker 1: five first round picks to the Bengals to get Joe Burrow?

294
00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,880
Speaker 1: Like Mike Brown might consider that for like thirty seconds.

295
00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,399
Speaker 1: Just listen to there's schefter.

296
00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:16,879
Speaker 10: Well, here's what I would say to you.

297
00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:17,320
Speaker 1: Right now.

298
00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,399
Speaker 10: We have the New York Jets sitting here with five

299
00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,800
Speaker 10: first round draft picks, yes the next two years, with

300
00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,480
Speaker 10: the capability of doing whatever they want at the quarterback position.

301
00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,280
Speaker 10: We have the Los Angeles Rams sitting here this offseason

302
00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,560
Speaker 10: with two first round draft picks. We have the Cleveland

303
00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,439
Speaker 10: Browns sitting here this offseason with two first round draft picks.

304
00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,560
Speaker 10: We have maybe an extra quarterback in San Francisco. You're

305
00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,840
Speaker 10: raising a question about Joe Burrow. There's questions in Arizona.

306
00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,439
Speaker 10: We still are waity for Trevor Lawrence to prove himself.

307
00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:55,800
Speaker 10: This is a league that always has quarterback questions. This now,

308
00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,840
Speaker 10: as much as ever, feels like an arms race, with

309
00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:05,040
Speaker 10: teams positioning themselves to make big moves for quarterbacks whoever

310
00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:09,320
Speaker 10: they are, whenever they are. We saw this week that

311
00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,919
Speaker 10: anybody can be had We saw that teams are willing

312
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,040
Speaker 10: to go nuts to get their guy, So why is

313
00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,040
Speaker 10: it going to stop there? When it starts there, it's

314
00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,399
Speaker 10: not going to stop, it's only going to increase. And

315
00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,520
Speaker 10: there are some teams out there that have some major

316
00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,000
Speaker 10: ammunition to go dangle to make things happen.

317
00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's not. Look, first of all, this team

318
00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,359
Speaker 1: is Joe Burrows Borough centric. He's under contract. Why do

319
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,520
Speaker 1: they talk about these things? Is this Joe Burrow. It's

320
00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,560
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow centric. And the last thing Mike Brown wants

321
00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,560
Speaker 1: to do is pay five first round draft picks in

322
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,960
Speaker 1: addition to his own first round draft picks, and the

323
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,880
Speaker 1: amount of money that they would consume. It's just it's

324
00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,560
Speaker 1: it's it's nonsense to turn the rains over to who

325
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,000
Speaker 1: The reason why the Jets want a quarterback because hey,

326
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,240
Speaker 1: they never had one is be there's nobody that's coming

327
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,960
Speaker 1: out that you look at it and say, wow, now

328
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:13,280
Speaker 1: there's a guy. But that's what happens, and that's what

329
00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:14,840
Speaker 1: it is. You got to fill time, and that's what

330
00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 1: people are talking about. But I thought that was so

331
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:21,240
Speaker 1: absurd that I wanted to get that on just in

332
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,880
Speaker 1: case you saw that and you were saying to yourself, Gee,

333
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,880
Speaker 1: could that be true? No, it's not. Joe Burrow isn't

334
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,280
Speaker 1: going anywhere, and I don't care how many first round

335
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,240
Speaker 1: picks the Jets have. It's three twenty eight on this

336
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,320
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon. In a moment, I'll be joined by Garrett

337
00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 1: Podell's CBS Sports Winners, big winners, losers, big losers from

338
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 1: deadline Day, and how each of those winners and losers

339
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 1: look going forward. It is three twenty eight on this

340
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,120
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon. It is ESPN fifteen.

341
00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,919
Speaker 2: Thirty Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

342
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 8: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center.

343
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,199
Speaker 9: The Lung Cancer Rapid Access Program at the UC Cancer

344
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,679
Speaker 9: Center is built to give you a care plant fast

345
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 9: meet with a specialist in two days. Call five one

346
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,920
Speaker 9: three five eighty five u CECC on southbound seventy one.

347
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 9: There's an accident over at Reading Road, northbound seventy five.

348
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 9: Another crash of this one is on the off ramp

349
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 9: to Liberty Way. Also an accident on Miami Avenue. That

350
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 9: one over at three Rivers Parkway on that ezelic with traffic.

351
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,160
Speaker 2: This report is I love this.

352
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 1: Music that Terran plays. I feel like on the on

353
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:44,479
Speaker 1: Cornelius at ESPN fifteen thirty, the right on disco sounds

354
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 1: and the smooth jazz that carries us all from the

355
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 1: last workday of the week straight on through the weekend.

356
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 1: You sit back, you relax, I'll pour the Cavassier UH

357
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 1: three point thirty five. Welcome back. It is a Friday

358
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 1: before no University of Cincinnati football game and no Bengals

359
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,120
Speaker 1: football game, a at least locally football free weekend here,

360
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 1: which is a rarity, to say the least. I would

361
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: imagine the happiest guy about that. The happiest guy is

362
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 1: Dan Horde. He gets to stay home this weekend. He

363
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 1: gets to spend time with the fam, which is kind

364
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: of nice. Doesn't have to worry about planes and connections

365
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: and anything like that. So the deadline has coming gone.

366
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 1: We talked about Trey Hendrickson and just nobody expected him

367
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 1: to go anywhere. I think anybody that follows that team

368
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: expected him to go anywhere, because that's what the Bengals do.

369
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 1: But it is strange when you think about the Bengals,

370
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 1: the core of their belief on how to build a

371
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: football team is through the draft. It's not through splashy

372
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: free agent acquisitions. They really don't play that game. They

373
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: didn't this past offseason, and quite frankly, the last time

374
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: that they did was when they signed Hendrickson four or

375
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: five years ago. So it's not it's not their game.

376
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 1: But yet they could have traded hendricks in for more

377
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: draft picks as they look to rebuild the offense. So

378
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: you have to wonder what's going on there here. They

379
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 1: are three and six, they're two and zero inside the division,

380
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: and they have all of these division games yet to come.

381
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 1: They've got four left to go. They as I was

382
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: talking about earlier Brian Goldberg super agent listening, if they

383
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: let's just say that they split with Baltimore, which I

384
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: think is a realistic scenario. Let's say they split with Baltimore.

385
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: They they're five and one inside the division. Now that

386
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: gets them to eight wins, and then maybe you pick

387
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: up one against Arizona, one against Cleveland, one against Miami,

388
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you're talking to ten win years.

389
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what they're thinking, But over the course of

390
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: the last several weeks, there would be nothing that they

391
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: have shown us other than a propensity to score a

392
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: lot of points. Nothing they've shown us that they can

393
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: close games out and win games that even go to shootouts.

394
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: But it would appear they did win at least a

395
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: portion of the trade deadline before the deadline when they

396
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: got Joe Flacco away from the Browns, and according to

397
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 1: my next guest, that was one of the big winning

398
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: deals as the deadline approached and came and now went.

399
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: He is Garrett Podell, one of the great young sports

400
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: writers in America who writes and writes very well for

401
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: cbssports dot comed. He's going to join us right now. Garrett,

402
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: how are you on this glorious day.

403
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 11: I'm doing great, Ken, Thank you so much for that

404
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 11: lovely introduction, and happy to talk trades and all things

405
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 11: football on a like you said, football free weekend in Cincinnati.

406
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: Will you surprise, Garrett that the Bengals did not move

407
00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: on from Trey Hendrickson knowing that at best now what

408
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: they can get for him is some sort of compensatory

409
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: pick when they figure that formula out at the end

410
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: of this current season. Or did most people, I think

411
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: in the media here thought that there was no way

412
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: in hell they were going to trade Hendrickson, and that's

413
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: why they said the price so high. But from the outside,

414
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: were you surprised that they did not move on from him?

415
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 11: Yeah, I was incredibly surprised, Ken, And the reason why is, like,

416
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 11: what is the what is the game here?

417
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 7: Like what's the long term view?

418
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 11: You mentioned the draft, right, and Hendrickson is somebody who

419
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 11: you know, thirty one years old. He'd been awesome last

420
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 11: two years on BANFLM sacks last year.

421
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 7: He's thirty one.

422
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 11: I mean, if there was ever a time to sell

423
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 11: high on somebody, because clearly Bengals management has shown the

424
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 11: last two off seasons they value him, but not enough

425
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 11: to give him the multi year contract that he's looking for,

426
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 11: and that seventeen plus sacks each the last prior seasons

427
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 11: would indicate he's worth.

428
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 7: So why not put him up for sale? Now?

429
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 11: I'm sure you know you look at a team like

430
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 11: the San Francisco forty nine ers who down Nick Bosa

431
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 11: for the year, they lost their first round rookie Michael

432
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 11: Williams to an injury, and there's a number of teams

433
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 11: who could really use some past rush who I think

434
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 11: would have been very, very happy to call Cincinnati and

435
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 11: get a deal on Trey Hendrickson done. Because to your point,

436
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 11: about just getting a compensatory pick. They certainly could have

437
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 11: gotten more if they'd gotten a bidding war going maybe

438
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 11: a third, maybe a second if the bidding war really

439
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 11: got hot. So yeah, I didn't really understand it, especially

440
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 11: from a team that you know, likes to say, you know,

441
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 11: kind of like the Dallas Cowboys with their salary camp

442
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 11: management got this pie.

443
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 7: We only have so many slices of pie.

444
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 11: If you have somebody only so many slices of pie

445
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 11: and you don't want to allocate it to your thirty

446
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 11: one year old all pro edge rusher, then what's the

447
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 11: point of keeping him around.

448
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: So I.

449
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 7: Was very puzzled.

450
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, they hate dead cap money, they I mean, they

451
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a new world out there in the NFL.

452
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that the Bengals operated in the

453
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: new world. They have, you know, from time to time

454
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: fielded teams that have surprised people. Is certainly the Super

455
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: Bowl team and the team that went back to the

456
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: AFC Championship Game a couple of years ago. I think

457
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: that surprised a lot of people. But the fact of

458
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: the matter is, I'm looking at them sitting at three

459
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: and six, and I think the threshold for playoff conversation

460
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: is nine wins, and it's probably not enough. You know,

461
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: the AFC North is a little bit different than what

462
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,239
Speaker 1: we all thought it would be this year. But if

463
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: you've got to get to nine wins, you've got to

464
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: go six and two and you're remaining eight games, and

465
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: if it's ten, you've got to go seven and one.

466
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: Now that's a tall task. That offense isn't going to

467
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: score thirty three forty two whatever they at thirty eight

468
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: over the last three weeks. It's not always going to

469
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: do that. I just that's why I was a little surprised. Okay,

470
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: you're holding on to Hendrickson. Is it because you think

471
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: he got a chance? And then you look at reality

472
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: and the chance of that chance is not very good.

473
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: I think that's where I struggled with this a little bit.

474
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: But as you look at them at three and six, realistically,

475
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: what do you see for them, knowing that they still

476
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: have a lot of division games left? I mean, is

477
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: this anything you look at and say, hey, you know what, yeah,

478
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: that could happen.

479
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 7: You make a great point.

480
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 11: I honestly think it's probably gonna take ten wins to

481
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 11: get a wild card. Because you look at the current

482
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 11: standings right now, the bottom two teams that are in

483
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 11: at the six and seven right now as it sits

484
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 11: today are the six and three LA Chargers and the

485
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 11: five and three Jags out of Jacksonville. So yeah, I

486
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 11: certainly think probably ten is gonna do it. And you

487
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 11: look at their schedule to your point, Okay, after this

488
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 11: bye week at the Pittsburgh Steelers. They did upset Pittsburgh

489
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 11: in Cincinnati, you know, but they were set to face

490
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 11: the Packers the next week, a really important game career

491
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 11: in Rodgers, so maybe you know, last time, potentially the

492
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 11: Steelers may have overlood the Bengals.

493
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 7: That won't happen again this time.

494
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 11: After that home against New England, that's the current AFC

495
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 11: East leader. That's a tough game at the ravens now

496
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 11: Lamar Jackson back, so obviously they're a very different team

497
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 11: Bills after.

498
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: That, that's a short week gart that's a Thanksgiving game.

499
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 11: That's right, And then after that at the Bills not

500
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 11: an easy place to play in December against a solid

501
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 11: Bills team that just beat the Chiefs, and then again

502
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 11: against Baltimore at home. I mean, they're just next five

503
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 11: games out of the by I mean that they would

504
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 11: be fortunate, honestly to just have a winning record. Three

505
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 11: and two in those next five would be awesome for them,

506
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 11: And like you said already at three and six, three

507
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 11: and two in their next five would probably sink their season.

508
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 11: So yeah, it didn't really make sense to me. Either

509
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 11: you pay Hendrickson now or you trade them. But yeah,

510
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 11: kicking the can the next offseason, to me is a

511
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 11: worst case scenario for the Bengals.

512
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: You think the Colts getting Sauce Gardner was the number

513
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 1: one trade deadline deals? Certainly from the from the Colts standpoint,

514
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: they got Gardner, but I mean the Colts paid a

515
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: horror a very high price for that. I mean two

516
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: first round picks. They either liked Sauce Gardner a lot,

517
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: thought they needed somebody that brought his talents to their team,

518
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: or they felt bad for the Jets. But I mean,

519
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: two first round picks for a cornerback. It seems pretty steep.

520
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, I hear you can, and certainly it is steep.

521
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 11: And so my rankings, I kind of ranked them from

522
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 11: the lens of quote unquote most impactful. So I felt

523
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 11: that this move was the quote most impactful of the

524
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 11: season at the deadline for the falling reason, I mean,

525
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 11: the culture. Even after their ugly loss to the Steelers

526
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 11: last week, they're seven to two and still the number

527
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 11: one seed in the AFC. Offense is scoring the most

528
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 11: points in football, but defensively they really needed help. Their

529
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 11: twenty sixth in pass defense, twenty ninth and third down defense,

530
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 11: and dead last and passing yards per game allowed. Outside

531
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 11: the numbers, Sauce Gardner is an outside corner twenty five

532
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 11: year years old. I agree the position of cornerback typically

533
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 11: doesn't age well after thirty, but Sauce is twenty five,

534
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 11: and also he's forced a tight window throw on fifty

535
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 11: two percent of his targets this season, the highest rate

536
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 11: of any player targeted at least twenty times and coverage

537
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 11: per Next Gen Stats, So he's actually.

538
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 7: Having a pretty solid year.

539
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 11: The Colts defense, particularly the past defense, their biggest weakness.

540
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 11: So I thought a number one overall seat at the

541
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 11: moment as we sit here today, showing up their best

542
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 11: weakness with an All Pro player who's twenty five, who's

543
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 11: having a solid season, I felt, yeah, like that was

544
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 11: the most impactful move of this tread deadline.

545
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: You mentioned another trade that I thought was a trade

546
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: that had to be made. The Steelers' secondary is it's

547
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: a fire drill. It's not very good. I'm not sure

548
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: they have smart players back there. But they picked up

549
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: Carl Duggar from the Patriots and all it cost them

550
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: was a sixth round pick, which seems like an absolute steal.

551
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, does how much does that help that

552
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: secondary that has had some injuries and that at times

553
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: plays bonehead football. Kyle Duggar, I mean, I don't know

554
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: what kind of player he is. I don't know whether

555
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: or not he's a locker room guy or a cerebral guy.

556
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: I read would people write about them but about him?

557
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: But I mean, how much of an impact do you

558
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: expect him to make?

559
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 7: I think he can make a high impact.

560
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 11: I think the Steelers kind of lucked out because Kyle

561
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 11: Dugger wasn't a quote unquote scheme fit for what Mike

562
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 11: Rabel wanted to do defensively on the back end of

563
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 11: that defense.

564
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 7: And so you mentioned they only had to give up

565
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 7: a sixth round pick.

566
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 11: They actually Pittsburgh also got a seventh round pick back

567
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 11: in return, so they didn't net lose a draft pick,

568
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 11: even they just moved down one round and also got Dougger.

569
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 11: So yeah, I thought it was a really great trade

570
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 11: for them because Deshaun Elliott, who they probably view as

571
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 11: their most reliable safety that they have right now, he

572
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 11: suffered an injury against the Packers last week, and so

573
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 11: they really had a significant need at that position, and

574
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 11: so yeah, and it paid immediate dividends. Six takeaways against

575
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 11: the Colts, who I just mentioned number one seed, and

576
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 11: I think a lot of that has to do with

577
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 11: him helping the Steelers secondary be in a much better position.

578
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 7: So I don't know if.

579
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 11: They're going to generate six takeaways every week, but to

580
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 11: only allowed twenty against the Colts a week after they'd

581
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 11: allowed thirty four points per game across Week seven and eight,

582
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 11: I mean, that's a big deal and I think could

583
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 11: make a really big impact for a Steelers defense that

584
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 11: tier point has been horrendous on the back end for

585
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 11: a lot of this year.

586
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: You list the Ravens acquiring Draymont Jones from the Titans,

587
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: and again, the Ravens have been decimated this year, and

588
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is back, They've been playing a little bit

589
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: better the last two weeks. They got wins, but they're

590
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: not generating any heat on the quarterback. And that's just

591
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that was what they were known for in Baltimore.

592
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: So here they get Draymond Jones from the Titans and

593
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: they just give up a conditional fifth round pick in

594
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: next next year's draft. Draymont Jones should upgrade that. Do

595
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: you think it's going to be an upgrade where people

596
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: now start fearing the Ravens in their pass rush again

597
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: or is he something other than that?

598
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 7: That's a good question, Ken, I mean, yeah, they were.

599
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 11: They're tied for the second few of sacks as a

600
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 11: team eleven third lowest quarterback pressure right in the league

601
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 11: twenty seven point three percent.

602
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 7: Certainly massive need. Like you said, Jones has been.

603
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 11: Hot for Tennessee, even though Tennessee hasn't been in a

604
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 11: position where they've led in a lot of games, which

605
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 11: typically helps the pass rush pin their ears back and

606
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 11: get off the quarterback. Jones has had four and a

607
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 11: half sacks across the last four weeks. So that's, you know,

608
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 11: a potentially impactful guy, especially for pass russ that's been

609
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 11: one of the worst in football. I don't know that

610
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 11: he's going to be a stuperstar for them. But even

611
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 11: just getting a little bit more of a boost for.

612
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 7: Baltimore in their pass rush, going from bottom.

613
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 11: Five or bottom three in the NFL to slightly below

614
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 11: average would even be a mass upgrade for them.

615
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 7: So I think, especially for a team that, like you said, has.

616
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 11: Gotten hot since Lamar Jackson's return from his hamstring injury,

617
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 11: I think could make a difference for sure.

618
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 12: Well.

619
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: Chatting with Garrett Poddell cbssports dot Com, and he's got

620
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: the winners and losers, certainly the big winners in the

621
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: deadline that just passed on Tuesday. Joe Flacco has been

622
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: found money for the Bengals. We all knew Flacco because

623
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: Flacco was an opponent again, you know, when he was

624
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: with the Browns, when he was with the Ravens. We

625
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: saw Joe Flacco a lot in this town. I don't

626
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: think anybody really thought that he would pick up the

627
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: ball and do what he's done to the length that

628
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: he's done it. But he certainly has done it, and

629
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: I would, at least from a Cincinnati point of view,

630
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: rate this is one of the steals of leading up

631
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: to the deadline day and beyond. It's absolutely staggering, how

632
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: he has come in, shown a steady hand, has worked

633
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: under center that could be a little bit of a

634
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: lesson going forward for Joe Burrow, and has just picked

635
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: it up and just run with it. They're still talking

636
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: about how terrible a deal this is in Cleveland, and

637
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: this deal has been in place now for almost a month,

638
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: but Flacco has found money for them. And I don't

639
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: know if any other quarterback, Garrett, maybe you can think

640
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: of one that was potentially available to them, either Russell

641
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: Wilson or Jamis Winston or any other quarterback that might

642
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: have been out there they could have signed that could

643
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: have done any better than what Flacco has done. It's

644
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: been amazing, hasn't it.

645
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 7: It's been absolutely amazing.

646
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 11: I mean, I think this is, you know, to quantify

647
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 11: how amazing it's been. Flacco leads the NFL in both

648
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 11: passing yards two hundred and fifty four and passing touchdowns

649
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 11: eleven since arriving in Cincinnati in Week six, and so

650
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 11: I had this him ranked as the third most impactful

651
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 11: trade of the season, and typically a quarterback would be,

652
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 11: you know, ranked higher.

653
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 7: And as the most impactful.

654
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 11: But the problem is, I told you he's been the

655
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 11: number one passer and football since coming to the Bengals

656
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 11: in Week six, but the team's records one in three

657
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 11: since he's been on the team, and that's because the

658
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 11: Bengals have the worst scoring defense in football thirty three

659
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 11: point three points per game allowed, So that's kind of

660
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 11: mitigated his high level elite production. And So to answer

661
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 11: your question about who else they could have gotten, I mean, yeah,

662
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 11: i'd say Russell Wilson. One person you didn't mention maybe

663
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 11: Kirk Cousins. But in the one start he did have

664
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 11: this year against the Miami Dolphins, he still looked kind

665
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 11: of gimpy from his torn achilles he suffered a couple

666
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 11: of years ago in his last season with the Minnesota Vikings.

667
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 11: So yeah, I think the Bengals clearly made the best

668
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 11: possible move, and you know, kind of like the Kyle

669
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 11: Degger trade I mentioned earlier, they.

670
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 7: Gave up a fifth round pick, but they didn't.

671
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 11: Lose a draft pick because they also got a twenty

672
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 11: twenty six to sixth round pick in return, so they

673
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 11: only moved down one round in the draft and got Joe.

674
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 7: Flacco, who's been the most.

675
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 11: Statistically productive passer and football since coming to Cincinnati, So

676
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 11: great trade. But you know, kind of like what we

677
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 11: said with Hendrickson earlier, like how much does it does

678
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 11: it matter given they're allowing thirty three three points per game?

679
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you would hope that that changes with

680
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: the bye week, but it is hope. They can't tackle.

681
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: They don't tackle. Well, you can't practice tackling in the

682
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: middle of the season. It just doesn't Teams don't do that.

683
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 1: You practice tackling, you get all that done in training camp,

684
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: and in training camp and in their preseason games they

685
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: exhibited an uncanny ability not to finish tackles. So I'm

686
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: not sure how it gets better. We can talk about

687
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: philosophy and schemes and all that all we want. Bottom line,

688
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: in football, as you well know, you block and you tackle.

689
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: If you can't block and tackle, then you have no

690
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: shadow winning. And I don't care who your quarterback is.

691
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: So we'll see. I don't know if they've got the Jews,

692
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: nor if the schedule seems to favor them at all.

693
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: My gut would tell me no. If you had to

694
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: make a call right now, Garrett, at this point in

695
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: the season, would you say yes or no on the

696
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: Bengals making the playoffs.

697
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 11: I mean I would say no and just go back

698
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 11: to the next five games that they have at Steelers

699
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 11: home against Patriots, at Ravens at Bill's home versus Ravens.

700
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 11: I mean, going, like I said earlier, three and two

701
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 11: out of that stretch would be a win.

702
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 7: And they're already three and six.

703
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 11: I mean, they would have their defense, would have to

704
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 11: and they didn't make any trades, so the personnel toier

705
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 11: point that struggled isn't going to be no different than

706
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 11: when they come out of this buy So I would

707
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 11: be incredibly shocked if they came out of this only

708
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 11: losing one game.

709
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 7: I mean, if they can get.

710
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 11: Out of this next five game stretch at four and one,

711
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 11: their last two three games are Dolphins at Dolphins home

712
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 11: against the Cardinals home against the Browns. But it would

713
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 11: just involve only losing one game against all these AFC

714
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 11: contenders the next five weeks after this, very skeptical.

715
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: That you'd be shocked, Well, let's keep hope alive, and

716
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: if indeed you are shocked, we'll be up there with

717
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: the smelling salts for you to revive. You'll slap you

718
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: on the face a couple of times and get you

719
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: back on your feet for your time today. Garrett, thank

720
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: you very much. We appreciate all your thoughts. Great story

721
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five NFL trade deadline ranking every major deal

722
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: including Cowboys, Colts, Jets, Eagles, Steelers, and Joe Flacco. Garrett,

723
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: stay well, We'll be in touch.

724
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 7: Thanks Ken, great talking with you as always.

725
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: Young writer, but knows the Lake inside out. And I've

726
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: had Garrett on several times on my seven hundred WLW show,

727
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: and he knows it well. Flacco was a steal. It's

728
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: hilarious if you're so inclined, or if you're in Cleveland,

729
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: or you listen on the APP and you listen they're

730
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: still talking about that trade and how terrible it was.

731
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's a shame. That's going on three fifty

732
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,959
Speaker 1: four News Radio three point fifty four ESPN in fifteen.

733
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 4: Thirty Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.

734
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 8: From the UC Health Traffic Center.

735
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 9: The Lung Cancer Rapid Access Program at the UCE Cancer

736
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 9: Center is built to give you a care plan fast

737
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 9: meet with a specialist in two days, called five one

738
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 9: three five eighty five. Uccc US fifty is closed off

739
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 9: due to an accident. In both directions of this between

740
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 9: Germany and Dining Lane. Also on westbound for Washington Way,

741
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 9: an accident approaching seventy five. Traffic backed up from seventy one.

742
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 9: Expect delays there. I at Eazelic with traffic.

743
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 13: This report is sponsoror chance to win one thousand dollars

744
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 13: entered this nationwide keyword on our website bank that's bank

745
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 13: enter it now.

746
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: Will it's can Bru from Owager. You can hear Mo

747
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: and me and Tony Pike together at the Holy Grail

748
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: and that will be on Saturday, November the twenty first,

749
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: is at the Saturday whatever that Saturday is is our

750
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: next appearance at the Holy Grail leading into Bengals football

751
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: mose off today and I am in so, as we

752
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: like to say in the broadcasting biz, just deal with

753
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: it in a moment. One of the finest sports journalists

754
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: in the history of that particular profession, Armand Katayan will

755
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: join me long on things like ABC News and sixty

756
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: Minutes and things like that. And his book and it's

757
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: really a good read. I don't you know. I don't

758
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: really dive into books that I don't find really interesting.

759
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: And I could tell if it's going to be interesting

760
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: in about the first fifteen to twenty pages. But his

761
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: book The Price What it Takes to Win in College

762
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: Football's Era of Chaos is a great read and a

763
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: great look at how college football is almost on an

764
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: hourly basis becoming the National Football League and what it

765
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: costs to buy a player. That's what it is. It's recruiting. Yeah,

766
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's still important, but you have to play

767
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: the nil game or you do not have a chance

768
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: to compete. Anyway. I've asked Arman to join me to

769
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: talk about the book and all about that, about how

770
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: college football anymore is just it's the uniforms, but it's

771
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: really professional football. It's really the NFL. So that's coming

772
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: up in just a couple of minutes tomorrow and right

773
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: here on ESPN fifteen thirty, it's Game three between FC

774
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and Columbus. Hell is real, the three game detterby,

775
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: as they pretentiously say in soccer, the three game Derby.

776
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: It comes down to Game three tomorrow night here in Cincinnati.

777
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: I watch Game two. FC Cincinnati look totally unprepared. It

778
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: looked like it didn't know what sport it was playing.

779
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: To be honest with you. FC Cincinnati won Game one

780
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: one nil. They lost Game two. I mean I think,

781
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: I think Columbus is still scoring, and so they played

782
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: tomorrow night, and tomorrow night is the is the tiebreaker?

783
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: What happens to FC Cincinnati if they lose? What happens

784
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: to Pat Noonan? Because his roster is clearly better than

785
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: Columbus's roster and this is a guy who has not

786
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: excelled in the playoffs anyway. Noonan was talking earlier this

787
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: week about preparing his game, his team for a Game three.

788
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

789
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 14: You just review, you know, situational stuff.

790
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: I think.

791
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 14: From the first two games, you get an indication of

792
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 14: what the end of a game could look like as

793
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 14: far as well, I would say, the first game, but

794
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 14: having things thrown at you when you're protecting a lead,

795
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 14: you know, on the other side of it, what does

796
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 14: it look like situationally when you're you know, in search

797
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 14: of a goal. Those are the things that you try

798
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 14: to prepare the group for because it can, you know,

799
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 14: look chaotic at times.

800
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's a lot of what we review.

801
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 14: Obviously, everybody knows the circumstances going into it of you know,

802
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 14: a must win game, so you try to analyze and

803
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 14: take some lessons from unique circumstances in game two, and

804
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 14: then revisit some of the things from the first game

805
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 14: and have a confident group that understands how to approach

806
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 14: the game, but to go after it in a good way.

807
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: I think this is an important game. Well it's it's

808
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: certainly an important game. You lose, you go home. I

809
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: think it's an important game for Pat Noonan. I just

810
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: think it is and we'll see where it goes. But

811
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: I would FC Cincinnati has the better side. They do now,

812
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: can it generate points? Can it play defense the way

813
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: it's supposed to play defense with the players they have,

814
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: and as it's constructed, can they score off set plays?

815
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: I think this is a huge game for Pat noon

816
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: and tomorrow night and f FC Cincinnati wins, it moves

817
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: on and they don't play best of three after this,

818
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: it's it's one and done's After this, there will be

819
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: a fourteen day break for the quote unquote international period,

820
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: because as you know, FIFA and Europe still rules a

821
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: sport that is trying to gain traction here in the

822
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: United States. So they'll they'll their season either ends tomorrow

823
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: night or if it continues on, there will be a

824
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: two week break. No UC football this weekend. We do

825
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: have other games that I think are mildly interesting in

826
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: college football. There are two teams around here that should

827
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: just simply overmatch their opponent. You've got Ohio State at

828
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: Purdue and Indiana at Penn State. They are both prohibitive

829
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: favorites in those games. University of Kentucky is at home

830
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: against Florida. By the way, Mason Cameron from Profootballfocus dot

831
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: com is going to join us in about a half

832
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: an hour to help handicap those games. College football anymore

833
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: looks like pro football nil has changed everything. Players are

834
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: now being paid, and they're being paid at some positions

835
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: a lucrative amount of money, all chronicled if you want

836
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: to understand how the game is being played anymore off

837
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: the field. By my next guest, he is Armand Katayan,

838
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: and together with another terrific journalist, John Talti, they have

839
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: written the book The Price, What it Takes to Win

840
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: in College Football's Era of Chaos, and it's it's great

841
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: to welcome in a guy who has just done it

842
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: the right way. Beat by beat, article by article, a

843
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: terrific print journalist and a print journalist had found great

844
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: recognition for his work as he moved into the world

845
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: of television. But he's writing books and writing them well,

846
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: and he's spending some time with us here on seven hundred.

847
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: There I go again on ESPN fifteen thirty ARMIEK and

848
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 1: Telly and how are you on this glorious day?

849
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 3: I'm good, Ken, how are you doing?

850
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: You were born with a note pen and a pen?

851
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: Is that right?

852
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: Feel?

853
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 8: Yeah?

854
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 3: I will tell you that a little known fact. At

855
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: East Hills Junior High School in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, in

856
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: the eighth grade, I read the most books, and I

857
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 3: was a better than average athlete, but I was obsessed

858
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: with sports. I read the most books of any eighth

859
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: grade boy in the school, and the truth, to be told,

860
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: every single one of them was a sports book.

861
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: Wow.

862
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 3: So it was like the Mickey Man story. There were

863
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: Berto Clementi's story, the alk Line Story, you know, all

864
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: of those. But yes, books the love of reading to

865
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: get the love of writing, which you know. I grew

866
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: up in the Watergate era of Woodward and Bernstein and

867
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: David Halberstam, and so I got inspired by those guys.

868
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: And I'm still kicking around at seventy one.

869
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: Well, listen, if you grew up in that era and

870
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: those authors were ones that influenced you, you know the

871
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: importance of exhaustive research when putting together anything, let alone

872
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: a book like this. What it takes to win in

873
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: college football's era of chaos? Arman, If you've got the

874
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: answer to that, you know you've got to contact every

875
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: one of these college football y.

876
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 15: Yeah, well, there's there's a The afterward is, you know,

877
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 15: basically the New Model. And John Talty and I am

878
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 15: my co author. It's a terrific young reporter. I say young,

879
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 15: he's half my age and he kind of reminds me

880
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 15: of me.

881
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 3: The way it's an afterward is the new model, and

882
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: it tells you there's probably I think there's five or

883
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: six really good ideas in there, but we don't.

884
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 14: We don't.

885
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: We're not giving you what we think is the model

886
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: because I frankly don't think that model is in existence

887
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: right now. I think Charlie Baker, the president of the NCAA,

888
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: is doing his best to put together a framework. But

889
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: you know, until the two of the kind of cardinal

890
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: sins right now, if college football get corrected, and that's

891
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 3: wanton greed and complete self interest. I don't think they're

892
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: going to be a solid solution for a while.

893
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 1: At least each passing day seems to bring college football

894
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: closer to the national football leg I'm disturbed by that.

895
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 16: Are you?

896
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: Well? I think if you're disturbed just going to way,

897
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 3: you can probably stand in line with a lot of

898
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: hit football coaches who are also disturbed. But it's a

899
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: fact of life right now. And I was talking to

900
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: the top NCAA investigator who does this stuff for a living,

901
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: and I said, well, what would be the biggest number

902
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 3: you've heard? And we kind of set this scenario where

903
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 3: if you were a power to school with a legitimate

904
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 3: shot at winning a national championship, and you had all

905
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: the other pieces in place to win a title, but

906
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 3: you the one missing link or piece was your quarterback,

907
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: and you went into the portal and let's say you

908
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: were a graduate student your last year of eligibility to play.

909
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: The number he told me and I and you hold

910
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 3: your breath for this one was eight million dollars.

911
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: Wow.

912
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's astonishing. But you know, when you

913
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: think about it, can the payout in the end between

914
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: what you win, what the school would get to win

915
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 3: a national championship, and then the donations that would come

916
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 3: in and the alumni support and the increased applications to

917
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: your school, and the prestige that would be associated with it.

918
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 3: You know, the payoff on that, the risk versus the

919
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 3: reward is probably three or four times as much money

920
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: coming in is for eight million. But you talk about it,

921
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 3: you know, throwing some some dice on the table, that

922
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: would be it.

923
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: One of the topics I'm most interested in is you

924
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: get into the behind the scenes demo eyes of the

925
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: PAC twelve. Look, there's no honor among thieves, and there're

926
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: plenty of those in conferences in the United States. Look,

927
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: I mean, the University of Cincinnati benefited. They went from

928
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: a mid major conference to a power for conference. Took

929
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: a while, but they're there. They benefited. But a lot

930
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: of these other cities and states and conferences they were decimated.

931
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: I would guess the PAC twelve is a pretty good

932
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: study as to what's happened in a much smaller level

933
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: to some of these mid major conferences that lost member schools.

934
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: It seems like overnight.

935
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you're the American Athletic Conference, and

936
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: I know Tim Pernetti, the new commissioner, there is a terrific,

937
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 3: terrific guy and a great hire for them. But you

938
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 3: mentioned the PAC twelve. There's a chapter called Unrealistic and

939
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 3: I did a lot of reporting on it, and John

940
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 3: and I really combined that. It's one of the chapters

941
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: that we enjoyed working together on. And if you want

942
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: a classic example of, as I said, greed and self interest,

943
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: look no farther further than what happened to the two

944
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 3: the Conference of Champions, one hundred and eight year old conference.

945
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: You know, you can start with Bill Walton and Marcus

946
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 3: Allen and Karee met Duel Jabbar and Matt Biyondy and

947
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 3: God Tiger Woods, and I mean just just an incredible

948
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 3: history in that conference. And in a matter of forty

949
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 3: eight to seventy two hours, it imploded. And it imploded

950
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 3: because USC had made the original decision to go to

951
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 3: the Big ten and the only reason they went to

952
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: the Big ten was for money, and that was Fox money.

953
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: And then they brought UCLA along, and then everybody else

954
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 3: at that point in time is trying to figure out

955
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 3: who your friends are and who your enemies are. And

956
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 3: then when Washington and Oregon decided to go, that was

957
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: the definite end of it.

958
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: You have a chapter in there about I guess the

959
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: king Maker. Jimmy Sexton eleven of fourteen SEC coaches, he

960
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: represents seven NFL coaches, He represents twenty of the fifty

961
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: highest paid college football coaches. He represents, and he makes

962
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: money sometimes just by floating rumors about schools and his

963
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: coaching representation. It's amazing how somebody can pull those kind

964
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: of purse strings. And nobody really knows who he is

965
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: except guys like you that write about it.

966
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: Well, I see, he's a great character of the chapters

967
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 3: called the Powerbroker. And there's a great quote from Mark

968
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: Emmer at the former president. He said, he said, nobody,

969
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 3: nobody negotiates with himself better than Jimmy Sexton. And that's

970
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: exactly what Jimmy does. He basically had when Nick resigned on,

971
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 3: He had Caitlin de Boor, who came in from Washington.

972
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 3: He was able to get Steve Sarkesi in a huge

973
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: raise a Texas by floating the notion that sark might

974
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 3: leave and come back to Alabama. You had the Florida

975
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 3: State coach who also represented by Jimmy Sexton. Those were

976
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 3: the two Kandi Boor and the Florida State coach where

977
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 3: the two primary candidates. He gets a raise. It was

978
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 3: just it was just Jimmy at its best. And I've

979
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 3: known Jimmy for now going on ten years, in dating

980
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 3: back sometime when I was at sixty Minute Sports and

981
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 3: we were talking about doing a story about Jimmy and

982
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 3: I spent some time with him. Ben. He's the greatest

983
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 3: guy when he when he needs something from you and

984
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 3: from a media member, he'll text me or call me

985
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 3: and say, hey, I got something I you know, want

986
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 3: to see if you'd be interested in. But when I

987
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,479
Speaker 3: need something from Jimmy and I text him, including texting

988
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 3: him and saying, Jimmy, we're doing the chapter on you,

989
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: we'd like to talk to you, it's crickets from his end.

990
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 3: So it's it's an interesting dynamic and I don't think

991
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: anybody I think he arguably is the most powerful figure

992
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 3: in college sports. You know, he was Reggie White's roommate

993
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 3: at Tennessee. He was the student manager UH at the

994
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 3: University of Tennessee. So his history is John Charts it

995
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: is fascinating. And you know, neither John or I have

996
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 3: gotten a call from Jimmy, which is also Silence is

997
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: a really nice thing in my business. You know, when

998
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 3: you do something like this, it's a pretty call. It's

999
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: like okay, you know they they seem to think it's

1000
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 3: pretty fair.

1001
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 14: Uh.

1002
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 3: I like that word.

1003
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: I worked television television sports actually for forty five years.

1004
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: I guarantee it. When they don't call, you're right, well, yeah, isn't.

1005
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 15: It the best?

1006
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 3: Like silence is great in our business, you know, because

1007
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 3: God knows when you they feel like you've somehow, you know,

1008
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 3: done the wrong thing. They're the first people on the

1009
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 3: phone to call. Yeuh or their pr people are.

1010
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 7: The book.

1011
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: The book is the price what it takes to win

1012
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: in college Football's era of chaos. Arman Kata and one

1013
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: of the co authors, John the other look. I don't

1014
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: know whether you reach any conclusions in your book. My

1015
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: feeling is is that college football today will look nothing

1016
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: like what it will look like in ten years. And

1017
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 1: there's great debate as to whether or not it becomes

1018
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: its own entity, it becomes its own industry, whether players

1019
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: become employees. We even saw that to a degree. I

1020
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: guess with the house settlement here a couple of months ago.

1021
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: But my point is, I guess with all of this

1022
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: is if it does march down that road where instead

1023
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: of having to drag along and support the non rev

1024
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 1: sports in a university, or drag along and support even

1025
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 1: the lesser lights inside the SEC or the Big Ten,

1026
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: there has to be some sort of cultural tie to universities,

1027
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: because that's where I think college football gets its strength.

1028
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily the money it generates, the players it

1029
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: brings in. It's that it is a tie between fan

1030
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: and school. Players leave, coaches leave, but fan never leaves school.

1031
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: I don't think setting it up as its own business

1032
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: entity stand alone. I don't think that's going to work.

1033
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 3: Do you think's a really good point is that it's

1034
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 3: trending in the direction of a breakaway right now. I

1035
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: don't think everybody is walking on exshell's. Don't want to

1036
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 3: be the first one to actually say we're going to

1037
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 3: do this, And if it's going to happen, it would

1038
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 3: be in a combination between Greg Sank and the SEC

1039
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 3: the commissioner, and Tony Pettiti, the commissioner of the Big Ten.

1040
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 3: They would operate as one. But you're absolutely right. I

1041
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 3: think when you make it professional sport a minor league,

1042
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 3: as you mentioned of the NFL, I believe it will

1043
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 3: change the dynamic between the fans and the team, because

1044
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 3: unlike professional sport, college football has a rabbit fan base

1045
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 3: that I think can't be matched anywhere else. And whether

1046
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 3: that changes, as we're not at the end of this evolution,

1047
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 3: there will be another iteration. What it is and how

1048
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: it will be controlled and how it will be structured

1049
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 3: remains to be seen. But I think that's that's kind

1050
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 3: of what they have to remember, is that that connection

1051
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: between team and fan and college football is distinct and

1052
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 3: it's precious in a lot of ways. And my hope

1053
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 3: is that that whatever the iteration here is the final iteration,

1054
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 3: it doesn't break that one into the.

1055
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: Price what it takes to win in college football's era

1056
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: of chaos. Arman, great talking with you. Long admired your work.

1057
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, all right, Ken, thank you?

1058
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you bet, And I do mean that I have

1059
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: long admired this guy's work, and it is it's a

1060
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: shadow of what it was college football ten years ago,

1061
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: and I think it's a shadow of what it will

1062
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: become as we get farther down the road, and I

1063
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: hope it doesn't get to a situation where teams just

1064
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: peel off from conferences and become, in essence, the NFL

1065
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: with non student athletes wearing a jersey that says the

1066
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: name of the college. But it appears to be on

1067
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: that path. We are on a path right till five

1068
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: thirty tonight and UK basketball. It is now four twenty

1069
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: three ESPN fifteen.

1070
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 4: Thirty Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic.

1071
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 9: From the UC Health Traffic Center. The Lung Cancer Rapid

1072
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 9: Access Program at the UC Cancer Center is built to

1073
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 9: give you a care plan fast meet with a specialist

1074
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 9: in two days, called five one three, five eighty five.

1075
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 9: Uccc US fifty has now been reopened in both directions

1076
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 9: from an earlier accident between Germany and Dining Lane on

1077
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 9: southbound seventy five. A disabled vehicle blocks off the right

1078
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 9: center lane over at the Western Hills Viaduct on that

1079
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 9: ezelic with traffic.

1080
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 4: This report this is football in the NATI, brought to

1081
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 4: you by Modern Office Methods on ESPN fifteen point thirty,

1082
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 4: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1083
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: Four twenty six on this Friday afternoon. If you're on

1084
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: your way home, be careful. I hate to say that,

1085
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: because we all should know how to be careful. But

1086
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: it is a Friday afternoon and it is Cincinnati. Great

1087
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: to have you with us as the weekend has begun.

1088
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: Watched a little bit of the Xavier game last well.

1089
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: I actually I listened to the Xavier game last night.

1090
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: I listened to Joe and Byron and.

1091
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 7: Richard.

1092
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: Patino's got an interesting team this year. I wouldn't call

1093
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: it a team that I think will dominate opponents, and

1094
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: certainly last night against Lemoyne, they did strow seventy four

1095
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: to sixty nine. They win, Xavier does and they're two

1096
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: and zero. Malik Messina Moore, this is a This is

1097
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: a guy that gave him thirty three plus minutes last night.

1098
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: Didn't shoot the ball all that well, but he did

1099
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: shoot the three well, four of eight to wind up

1100
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: with seventeen total points and five count them one, two, three, four,

1101
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: five assists. Xavier beats Lemoyne last night, and uh, I

1102
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: think it's it's going to be an interesting year at Xavier,

1103
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: and interesting in a good sense. U see plays tonight

1104
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: they're at home at fifth third Arena against Georgia State

1105
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: one and oh, you see is after that ninety four

1106
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: to sixty three win over Western Carolina Georgia State h

1107
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: and one. So they played Georgia State tonight and then

1108
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: on Tuesday they get ud in a home match seven

1109
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: o'clock to number nine UK on the court against Valparaiso

1110
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: UK is one and oh they won that game seventy

1111
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: seven to fifty one over Nichols. They have a rivalry

1112
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: game next Tuesday night they're at Louisville. But tonight it's

1113
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: Valpraiso and Mark Pope. This is a game, by the way,

1114
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: you will hear here on seven hundred WLW Mark Pope

1115
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: on Valpo coming to town here.

1116
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 17: He is a bit of a Gonzaga vibe in the

1117
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 17: way they play, the pace they play with, some of

1118
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 17: the basic actions that they run, and their transition continuity

1119
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 17: is very similar. And so it's a it'll be a

1120
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 17: great game. It should be a really fun game. It's

1121
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 17: going to be a physical, competitive game from a team

1122
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 17: that's storied program that's got a great history.

1123
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's tonight airtime five thirty right here

1124
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty Bengals off UCO. You know, I

1125
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: was I speculated about this on seven hundred WLW last weekend.

1126
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: You know what Joe Burrow has never had. He's never

1127
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: had a big brother, a quote unquote big brother on

1128
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: a football team. On this football team, never had a

1129
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: quarterback he could look up to. It was Brandon Allen

1130
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: and then it was Jake Browning, but he never had

1131
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: a guy like Joe Flacco. And I think Joe Burrow

1132
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: might be the first to admit, when it's all said

1133
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: and done, that he has learned a few things from

1134
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: watching Joe Flacco and would be good to have Flacco

1135
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: around next year as kind of a sounding board. You know,

1136
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: a coach can tell you one thing and it may

1137
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: be something you think about and dismiss or whatnot. Kind

1138
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: of like if you're a kid, your dad can tell

1139
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: you one thing, and I don't know, but that if

1140
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: your friend tells you something that's the same thing. Hey, yeah,

1141
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: maybe that makes sense. I'd love for seeing them to

1142
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: keep Flaco around after this year and have him become

1143
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: like a hybrid, like a backup third string coach, assistant coach.

1144
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: Other are those who think that Flacco would want much

1145
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: more than that. As long as he can still play,

1146
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: he probably wants to chase the pot of gold at

1147
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: the end of the rainbow. But if not, Flaco home

1148
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: because I don't think they can really bring Jake Browning

1149
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: back next season as their their backup quarterback. Jaymar I

1150
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: talked to Jay Morrison about this about you know, what

1151
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: do they do? Because they you really I think they

1152
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: should try and make a run at Flago. But if not,

1153
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: what do you do?

1154
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1155
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: Well, I think two things.

1156
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 12: One could be a Flaco type guy not you know,

1157
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 12: I don't know if it means Jake Browning's time here

1158
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 12: is over, but go get a backup that has a

1159
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 12: lot of skins on the wall and has played in

1160
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 12: this league a lot and can be that, like you said,

1161
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 12: the big brother with Joe Burrow. The other thing is

1162
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 12: maybe the biggest advantage of this run with Flaco is

1163
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 12: Joe Burrow sees with this offense can look like when

1164
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 12: you embrace going under some and using play action. It's

1165
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 12: just something he doesn't want to do. He likes to

1166
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 12: be in shotgun, he likes to survey the field. He

1167
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 12: doesn't like turning his back to the defense. We've seen

1168
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 12: now what this offense looks like. With Blaco more willing

1169
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 12: to do that. This running game is really taken off.

1170
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 12: This offense as a hole has taken off. And maybe

1171
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 12: maybe that gets into Joe Burrow's head a little bit

1172
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 12: and he says, maybe I should relent on this and

1173
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 12: be more open to that. And then if you're going

1174
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 12: under center more and you're using the play action and

1175
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 12: you're running the ball more, that's just automatically going to

1176
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 12: reduce the number of times you could potentially get hit

1177
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 12: and hurt. So I think those are the two big

1178
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 12: approaches going forward. And then you got to hope he

1179
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 12: just kind of gets it out of his head that

1180
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 12: he can't just scramble around and try to make plays.

1181
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 12: Sometimes it's better just to take the loss of the

1182
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 12: ball away. It's when I feel as much as he does,

1183
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 12: it's hard to do. But there's a lot of things

1184
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 12: that have to change. I think it's organizationally. I think

1185
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 12: it's with Burrow himself. And that's all I'll tell you

1186
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 12: can do. I mean, if it's one of those things,

1187
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 12: I don't know, if you're just gonna resign yourself that

1188
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 12: this guy's injury prone, it's going to happen over and

1189
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 12: over again.

1190
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: You have to try whatever you can to get that

1191
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: out of it. I'd still make a run at Flaco,

1192
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: Still make a run at them, all right, straight ahead,

1193
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: Mason Cameron, Pro Footballfocus dot Com. We're going to handicap

1194
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: some college and pro games this weekend and it's all

1195
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: straight ahead. Stay tuned, Ken Brew for mo Oegger ESPN

1196
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty.

1197
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 4: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

1198
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 4: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1199
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 2: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

1200
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 8: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center.

1201
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 9: The Lung Cancer Rapid Access Program at the UC Cancer

1202
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 9: Center is built to give you a care plan fast

1203
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 9: meet with a specialist in two days. Call five one

1204
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 9: three five eighty five UCCC. On seuthbound I seventy five,

1205
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 9: there is a disabled vehicle off onto the shoulder at

1206
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 9: the Western Hills Viaduct, also picking up some slow traffic

1207
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 9: along eastbound two seventy five between Mostellar Road and seventy one.

1208
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 9: A minute or two worth of delays on that ezelk

1209
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 9: with traffic.

1210
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: This report is sponsor ESPN fifteen thirty. On this Friday,

1211
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: welcome back. Some interesting games in college football tomorrow. I

1212
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't call them key matchups, certainly not for the local teams,

1213
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: but interesting matchups. And then on Sunday there are some

1214
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: really good matchups inside the National Football League Steelers, Chargers, Patriots, Buccaneers, Ravings, Ravens, Vikings.

1215
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: But let's get a handle on what we should expect.

1216
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: Standing by to join us right now. As someone who

1217
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: applies his craft at PFF dot com that's Pro Footballfocus

1218
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: dot Com, I would call I'm a handicapper. That might

1219
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: not be completely fair. He is an analyst who can

1220
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: do a deep dive into games and you know, along

1221
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: the way might be able to help you win a

1222
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: few dollars along the way. He's our good friend, Mason Cameron.

1223
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: How are you on this glorious Friday.

1224
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 7: Dan, I'm good. I'm doing good. I can't wait for

1225
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 7: a good weekend of football.

1226
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 18: And we got a lot of good matchups on this slate,

1227
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 18: so happy to come on here and talk about them.

1228
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you're here now. I just want to

1229
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: hit you with some college games off the top all

1230
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: local teams. You got Ohio State, it's number one in

1231
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: the country. It's at Purdue. Purdue is getting twenty nine.

1232
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: That is a hefty number for any team, but twenty

1233
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: nine at home against the number one team in the country.

1234
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: As you look at Ohio State and Purdue, what jumps

1235
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: out at you?

1236
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 18: Yeah? Really, I mean, this is a big game of

1237
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 18: just Ohio State playing Ohio State. And that's really how

1238
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 18: a lot of their matchups have been. They'll win these

1239
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 18: games by whatever they want to win them by. It's

1240
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 18: whatever they deem necessary. And twenty nine and a half

1241
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 18: is a big no number, but I'm not really, frankly,

1242
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 18: that afraid of it. There's seven to zero and one

1243
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,719
Speaker 18: against the spread. Their average cover excuse me, their average

1244
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 18: victory margin is twenty nine point eight points, so they're

1245
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 18: they're very much in line to cover a fairly.

1246
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 7: Large number like this.

1247
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 18: The PFF model likes Ohio State to cover it. Also,

1248
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 18: our line projection for that model is thirty point four,

1249
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 18: so quite a bit over that. They're fifty two percent

1250
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,759
Speaker 18: in plight cover probability, which is actually a very solid

1251
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 18: number when we talk about these bets against the spread,

1252
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 18: particularly when we get to some of these really significant ones,

1253
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 18: and there is actually also some sharp action here on

1254
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 18: Ohio State side.

1255
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 7: This game has been very much bet.

1256
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 18: It's looking like ninety nine percent of the money is

1257
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 18: on Ohio State only seventy three percent of the bets,

1258
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 18: so sharps have pushed that money up a little bit.

1259
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 18: I know that in some spots the line has actually

1260
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 18: moved to twenty nine and a half, which I mean

1261
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 18: really makes sense.

1262
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 7: And that's still a reasonable number for me to attack

1263
01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 7: it at.

1264
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 18: And you know, when we look at Purdue, they just

1265
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 18: haven't won a home game since you know, early September.

1266
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 18: It's seventh straight or they haven't won a games it's

1267
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 18: early September, the seventh straight losses. They're two and three

1268
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 18: against the spread at home this season, one and two

1269
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 18: against the spread is twenty plus point dogs.

1270
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 7: And I mean the biggest issue is obviously, I mean

1271
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 7: the glaring issue.

1272
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 18: I don't think you know, you need, you know, me

1273
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 18: to come in here and explain that they are just

1274
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 18: not going to have any answers for Julian Saying, Carnel Tate,

1275
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 18: and Jeremiah Smith like this offense holds the highest EPA

1276
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 18: per dropback in the nation by a wide margin.

1277
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 7: Saying is the highest graded passer in college football. Smith

1278
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 7: and Tate both in.

1279
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 18: The top five and receiving grade at the position, and

1280
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 18: I mean Purdue just has very little chance to check

1281
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 18: these guys. They're the eleventh worst coverage team in EPA

1282
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,520
Speaker 18: per drop back in the nation. And I mean offensively,

1283
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 18: it won't really be much better. When we talk about

1284
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 18: Ohio State, I mean they're they're dominant on the defensive

1285
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 18: side of the ball. They allows less than seven points

1286
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 18: per game this season. Northwestern another allid defensive unit. They

1287
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 18: shut this team out at home, and Ohio State is

1288
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 18: you know, significantly better their fourth and EPA of play

1289
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 18: allowed this season. So, I mean, Ohio State is the

1290
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 18: business of crushing teams. And I really don't think that

1291
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 18: this is going to be too different.

1292
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I yeah. It's it's amazing how teams are

1293
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: so mismatched inside even their own conferences. And you know,

1294
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 1: Purdue is just it's it's it's a non factor virtually

1295
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: every year when it comes to national championship consideration. I

1296
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: look at Ohio State, I think Smith and Tate and

1297
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: Saying are all going to play on Sunday, I think,

1298
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: and I think in the case of Smith, I think

1299
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: he's going to be world class when he plays on Sunday.

1300
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: I think Juliet's saying is a guy that I mean,

1301
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: I look at him right now, and I'm saying, you know,

1302
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: his his game is not that far off from the NFL.

1303
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: Unless I checked, he was completing like eighty percent of

1304
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: his passes. He has great composure. I think a lot

1305
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: of what he does is dictated by those wide receips.

1306
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: They're just they're off the charts. But I would be

1307
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 1: shocked if all three of those guys did not go

1308
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: to Sundays and excel. Do you feel the same way.

1309
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know absolutely.

1310
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 18: And you know a lot of comps that we've been

1311
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 18: hearing about Julian saying is you know a guy that

1312
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 18: is near and dear to the Cincinnati market. Here with

1313
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 18: Joe Burrow, a lot of people what we see is

1314
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 18: a lot of you know, Joe Burrow in his tape,

1315
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 18: he's very composed under pressure, and you know, he's an

1316
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 18: excellent passer. And I know that there's been some sort

1317
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 18: of knock on him for having this talent around him,

1318
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 18: But I mean, just cut on the tape and tell

1319
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 18: me that that's not the best quarterback in the nation

1320
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 18: right now, and you know, when he comes out, he will,

1321
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 18: in my opinion, undoubtedly go first overall. And when we

1322
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 18: talk about Tate and Smith, like those are two weapons

1323
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 18: that are just going to be called in the first

1324
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 18: round to go play on Sundays, and you know, we

1325
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 18: we're hearing a lot of buzz about this Jets team

1326
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 18: stockpilance of twenty twenty seven picks. I wouldn't be surprised

1327
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 18: if you know, you end up see you know, saying

1328
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 18: in Smith or Tate, you know link up here over

1329
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 18: in New York. So that's definitely gonna be an interesting draw.

1330
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 18: But you know, a lots to be said about those guys,

1331
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 18: and they they're well worth the price of admission over there.

1332
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: I kind of like Mendoza at Indiana.

1333
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:18,560
Speaker 13: I do.

1334
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: They're at Penn State tomorrow and Penn State is getting

1335
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: fourteen and a half at home. Their season blew up.

1336
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: They fired James Franklin. It's been over there for a while.

1337
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: Indiana has got Mendoza. He has the benefit of being

1338
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: an older quarterback and he really I think comports himself

1339
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: well on the field. The other thing is Indiana hasn't

1340
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: allowed more than twenty points in a game all year.

1341
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 1: Their defense kind of gets overlooked by all the things

1342
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: their offense can do. But here they are at Happy

1343
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 1: Valley and they got a spot fourteen and a half.

1344
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: What do you think this one is going?

1345
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean, Kurtzygnetti has this team clicking. And of

1346
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 18: course he, you know, sent the entire college football wins

1347
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 18: Gape into a depression when he resigned there, and he's

1348
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 18: gonna be there a long time. So I know a

1349
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 18: lot of programs would have loved and Penns included, would

1350
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 18: have loved to have this guy come over to their school.

1351
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 14: You know.

1352
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 18: I was talking to our guy over here at Pffdalvon Mosserman,

1353
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 18: who is very tapped in at both the NFL and

1354
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 18: college football level, and Indiana is actually his bet of

1355
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 18: the week, and that this is one that I actually

1356
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 18: agree with.

1357
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 7: I highly agree with it. Indian has been absolutely ridiculous.

1358
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 18: Now they're six and three against the spread in betting markets,

1359
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 18: but when we look at their average margin of victory,

1360
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 18: it's absolutely insane. It's the highest in the country at

1361
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 18: thirty five point seven. That's five points higher than any

1362
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 18: other team in the nation. And I mean, we can

1363
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 18: talk about Penn State, I don't want to kick them

1364
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 18: too much while they're down here, but they've obviously floundered there.

1365
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 18: They're zero to five against record against Power four teams.

1366
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 18: They're one and seven against the spread this season. Now

1367
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 18: they are one and one against the spread as dogs.

1368
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 18: They covered US three and a half point dogs in Indiana.

1369
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 18: They missed seventeen and a half point dogs at Ohio State.

1370
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 18: They lost that game by twenty eight. This is their

1371
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 18: first home game as dogs, But I really don't see

1372
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 18: it that far removed of what we saw from Ohio State.

1373
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 18: This is probably an even better defense for Indiana than

1374
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 18: Ohio State had, which is which is saying a lot,

1375
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 18: because obviously Ohio State has gamers throughout and Indiana is

1376
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 18: no different. Their second and EPA per play allowed. So

1377
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 18: they're pretty phenomenal. And when we look at just the

1378
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 18: deficiencies on Penn State, they've had under one hundred and

1379
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 18: fifty passing yards for last five games. Grunk Meyer, I mean,

1380
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 18: he's just not gonna have any answers for this unit.

1381
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 18: He's got a fifty point four passing grade. And then

1382
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 18: when we talk about the offense, I mean, the Indiana

1383
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 18: offense is obviously clicking at a very very high level,

1384
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 18: and Doza has been playing great. It's the highest EPA

1385
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 18: per play offense in the nation. The Penn State defense

1386
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 18: is just barely above the FBS average. So I really

1387
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 18: don't see this being too much of a difficulty for

1388
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 18: Indiana overcome. But I think one thing that we do

1389
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 18: have to talk about, which I know, you know, I'm

1390
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 18: from PFF and it's a data company, and this isn't

1391
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 18: quite a statistical measure, but this team is chasing up

1392
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 18: of the Buck guys in the polls, and they just

1393
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 18: you can tell that they're trying to look for dominant

1394
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 18: victories to add to this resume. Fifty five plus in

1395
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 18: each of the last two games, and that directly followed up,

1396
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 18: you know, a Buck. They're directly following up a Buckey's

1397
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 18: team that just won thirty eight to fourteen at home

1398
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 18: over Penn State.

1399
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 7: One way you can garner some.

1400
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 18: National attention and some advantage in that conversation is by

1401
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 18: doing even better against this team in Happy Valley, And

1402
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 18: I think that that's really what the message is this

1403
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 18: week is, Hey, you guys, you want to be the

1404
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 18: number one team in the nation, go out and beat

1405
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 18: a team that you know you're going to beat and

1406
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 18: absolutely beat the brakes off of them. So I think

1407
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 18: that that's really the messaging for Indiana this week.

1408
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they're going to get all Ohio states. They're

1409
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 1: just gonna have to wait a while. They'll get them

1410
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten championship game. But you're right, Bill Resume.

1411
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: Going into that game, UK is at home. It's been

1412
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: a rough year for UK. They got Florida. I actually

1413
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: think this is a good week to get Florida. Florida

1414
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: lost to Georgia in that Battle of the Hedges or

1415
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: whatever they call it down there. Florida's got a nice quarterback,

1416
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: they got DJ Langway and he threw the ball well

1417
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: last week against Florida. But they're just there's just nothing

1418
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:32,560
Speaker 1: going on with UK. And you know, we'll see what

1419
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 1: happens with Mark Stoops at the end of the year.

1420
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: This is always I think probably the best scenario Kentucky

1421
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 1: could hope for is catching Florida after Florida loses to

1422
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 1: Georgia last week and Kentucky gets three at home? What

1423
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: do you think?

1424
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 14: I mean?

1425
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 18: This is one of those really, really tough games because

1426
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 18: neither team has been particularly good in betting markets, and

1427
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 18: they both.

1428
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 7: Played incredibly difficult schedules.

1429
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 18: So that's where it's sort of hard to comb through

1430
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 18: thes of what we might see from each of these teams,

1431
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 18: particularly when we've seen, you know, a little bit more

1432
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 18: improved play from.

1433
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 7: Both over the last couple of weeks.

1434
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 18: But Gators three and five against the spread. They haven't

1435
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 18: covered a road game this season, LSU, Miami A and

1436
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 18: m all losses. Kentucky also three and five against the spread,

1437
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 18: but they're two and one is home dogs to cover

1438
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 18: two of their last three games, the three point game

1439
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 18: versus Texas, the seven point road win versus Auburn, So

1440
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 18: that is sort of going in their favor. But it's

1441
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 18: difficult because there's not really too many you know, statistical,

1442
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,560
Speaker 18: you know, perception measures that are going to you know,

1443
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 18: equate to Kentucky playing above expectation even at home. The model,

1444
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 18: you know, it likes Florida. We've seen sort of what

1445
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 18: they've been able to do when they are playing well.

1446
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 18: They played Georgia pretty closely, and I tend to lean

1447
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 18: that lace slightly as well. They've played some close matchups

1448
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 18: over the last two weeks. The covered last week, Like

1449
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 18: I said, point dogs in Georgia. They're thirtieth overall in

1450
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 18: the Power Ratings metric. The model places this game at

1451
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 18: about three point eight point different So I mean it's

1452
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 18: a slight positive ev but frankly, it's one that could

1453
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 18: really swing either way. I'm not particularly swayed on either

1454
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 18: side of this one. I could really see it flowing

1455
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,480
Speaker 18: towards Kentucky, who has obviously played.

1456
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 7: Much more improved overall this one.

1457
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 18: I mean, I would stay away from it on the spread,

1458
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 18: but it's definitely gonna be one of the more interesting

1459
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 18: games to watch closely on Sunday. See if you might

1460
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 18: be able to get some live opportunities in there as well,

1461
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 18: just to see how the game starts flowing for sure.

1462
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,560
Speaker 1: We're chatting with Mason Cameron, ProFootball Focused dot com some

1463
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 1: games this week, and let me move to Sunday because

1464
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: I got a couple I want to ask you about.

1465
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: First off, I want to talk about Steelers. Chargers could

1466
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: be the game of the weekend. Five and three Pittsburgh

1467
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: all the way out to the left coast to play

1468
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: the six and three Chargers. Last week. I think most

1469
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: people thought, you know, Indianapolis, they're gonna beat the Steelers

1470
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: no matter where they're playing. Well, the Steelers wound up

1471
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: winning by seven, but it took six turnovers to get

1472
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: them that seven point win. Now they go to Los

1473
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: Angeles where Herbert seems to be just just flipping it

1474
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: out there. I'm just wondering, how you see this, two

1475
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: teams that could conceivably conceivably win their own division.

1476
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's an interesting it's an interesting look.

1477
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:30,719
Speaker 18: Inconsistencies on both sides of this matchup make this another

1478
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 18: game that's a particularly difficult read on the spread.

1479
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 7: When we talk about Pittsburgh, I mean they're one and

1480
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 7: two against the spread coming out of the buy.

1481
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 18: And obviously people are juiced after you know, beating Indy

1482
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 18: last week, I mean, I and Indie better last week.

1483
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 7: Was definitely on the receiving end of that one as well.

1484
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 18: But the Colts, you know, they had six turnovers, like

1485
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 18: you said, and they still cut this game to seven points.

1486
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 18: When we talk about high turnover margins, yes, it's definitely

1487
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 18: positive to help you win every individual matchup, but when

1488
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 18: we see sky high turnover ratings like that, they're not

1489
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 18: really sustainable metrics. It's something that we saw a lot

1490
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 18: with like the Jags early on in the season where

1491
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 18: they were, you know, taking three turnovers per game and

1492
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 18: that was really helping them to win games, like when

1493
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 18: they beat Kansas City, and one of those things is

1494
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 18: just not sustainable. And they've actually come back down to

1495
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 18: earth in that matter, and now you know, they're a

1496
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 18: very beatable team there. It's they're not really a scary defense.

1497
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 18: And that's sort of been a similar case with the

1498
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 18: Steelers this year, where teams that can figure them out

1499
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 18: have Last week, they were still twenty third in EPA

1500
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 18: per play on offense, so still kind of conservative offensively,

1501
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 18: which hasn't really been excellent for their you know, ability

1502
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 18: to put up these numbers that they need to even

1503
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 18: cover as favorites. But here, you know, on the road

1504
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 18: they're going to be dogs. So it's it's gonna be

1505
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 18: an interesting matchup, to say the least for me.

1506
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 7: The Chargers. You know, they've been favored in eight of

1507
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 7: nine games this season.

1508
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 18: They're three and five against the spread as the favorites,

1509
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 18: but that's one in five against the spread over the

1510
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 18: last six and you know, it's comed with a battered

1511
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 18: offensive line and Joe all now out for the rest

1512
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,719
Speaker 18: of the season without all their dead last and offensive

1513
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 18: line grade will buy a wide margin. They've only posted

1514
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 18: one game with a pressure a blow thirty percent. That's

1515
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 18: obviously a place where even if struggling Pittsburgh defense can

1516
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 18: really get after them on that. So my lean on

1517
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 18: this one is more towards the game total at under

1518
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 18: forty five and a half. That's sort of what I'm

1519
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 18: liking most in this one. I think you're gonna see

1520
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 18: some defensive highlights in this one that are really gonna

1521
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 18: keep this game under the notch.

1522
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 7: But I have a little bit of a stronger lead

1523
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 7: into some.

1524
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 18: Of the props you know, on the topic of the

1525
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 18: Chargers blocking issues, justin Herbert's yardage line for rushing is

1526
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 18: terribly misspriced. He's gone over the twenty three and a

1527
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 18: half yard line in all but two of his games

1528
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 18: this season. Than a big credit to judih for Gang,

1529
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 18: who you know highlighted this on our pf AT betting

1530
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 18: show this morning. But the blocking issues obviously haven't led

1531
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 18: to the Chargers taking more conservative, you know, short passing

1532
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 18: game approach. It's actually done the opposite, where Herbert is

1533
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 18: running for his life. His scramble rates are incredibly high.

1534
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 18: And he's doubled this line in three of his last five.

1535
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 18: So this is a this is a mind that is

1536
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 18: particularly you know, mispriced. And when we talk about a

1537
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 18: Steelers team that plays a lot of man coverage, man

1538
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 18: coverage is definitely one where you want to look for

1539
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 18: mobile passers to be able to run guys backs are

1540
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 18: turned to the line of scrimmage. It makes it a

1541
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 18: much more feasible way for them to take off than

1542
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 18: versone coverage.

1543
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 7: Something we see with like Josh Allen a lot.

1544
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 18: And then another one I'm liking is Aaron Rodgers to

1545
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 18: go over twenty two and a half completions. Now this

1546
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 18: one's moved a lot throughout the week. It was earlier

1547
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 18: twenty and a half, now it's moved up to twenty

1548
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 18: two and a half. I still like the over. I

1549
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 18: still think there's some value there. I mean, he's he's

1550
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 18: hit this in each of the last three. And the

1551
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 18: Chargers really what we see is they run a lot

1552
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 18: of zone defense, the second highest rate, and when Rogers

1553
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 18: sees zone defenses, he is top eight and completion percentage

1554
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 18: because he really likes to lean into the short passing game.

1555
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 18: His four point nine yard average up the target versus

1556
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 18: zone is actually the lowest of unqualifying quarterback.

1557
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 7: By quite a bit.

1558
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 18: So I expect, you know, a lot of short, high

1559
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,560
Speaker 18: percentage passes from that offense in this one, which is

1560
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 18: also sort of going to play into the under there.

1561
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, so but you like you like, you like playing

1562
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 1: the total in this game more than anything forty five

1563
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 1: and a half. And you're you're again to clarify, are

1564
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 1: you saying the under on that?

1565
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 3: Yes?

1566
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, but liking the under at forty five and a half.

1567
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 1: Okay, we got to run. But listen, Mason, good stuff,

1568
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 1: and we'll see how it all plays out tomorrow and

1569
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: again on Sunday on a on a weekend where the

1570
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: Bengals don't play. I got thirty seconds. I'll just ask

1571
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 1: you flat out. You look at the where the Bengals

1572
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: are right now. They're three six, nine games in eight

1573
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: to go. If you had to make it, if you

1574
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: had to make a call right now, do they make

1575
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs or not?

1576
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 18: I would say no, it's just gonna be a tough AFC.

1577
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 18: But you know, they still have offensive pieces. You really

1578
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 18: never know which way that can go. Joe Flacko's been

1579
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 18: playing great so It's something that I'm gonna definitely like

1580
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 18: to see, but right now I would not be betting

1581
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 18: on it.

1582
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:23,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got to give you a reason to believe,

1583
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: and so far they have not, rather than the fact

1584
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: they can run point totals up. But you eventually have

1585
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 1: to tackle somebody. All right, Mason, stay well. Tell the

1586
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 1: boys down there at PFF dot com. We said, Hi,

1587
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: I will do Thank Ken there he is, Mason Cameron.

1588
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: You want to handicap a game, you want to get

1589
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 1: into it deeply. Talk to that guy. He could help

1590
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: you out. It is coming up on four fifty five

1591
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 1: on this Friday afternoon. Friday afternoon is the weekend looms ahead,

1592
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: and my goodness, who would not look forward to that?

1593
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: Certainly not us. We do ESPN fifteen.

1594
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 4: Thirty Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic.

1595
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 9: From the UC Health Traffic Center. The Lung Cancer Rapid

1596
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 9: Access Program at the UC Cancer Center is built to

1597
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 9: give you a care plan fast meet with a specialist

1598
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 9: in two days.

1599
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 8: Call five one three, five eighty five. UCCC on southbound

1600
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 8: is seventy five. There is a disabled vehicle off onto

1601
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 8: the right shoulder at the Western Hills Viaduct, also picking

1602
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 8: up some slow traffic along eastbound two seventy five between

1603
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 8: Mostellar Road and seventy one a minute or two worth

1604
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 8: of delays on that ezelic with traffic.

1605
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 7: This report is sponsored by Kings Hawaiian Sliders ELI.

1606
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 2: On our website, win that's win, Enter it now.

1607
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: Five out shifts and welcome back. ESPN fifteen thirty. I

1608
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 1: am ken Brew counting down to Kentucky basketball chip at

1609
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 1: seven tonight with UK agains Valparaiso. But of course it

1610
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: is Kentucky basketball, so the ninety minute pregame show begins

1611
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hour. Here on ESPN fifteen thirty,

1612
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: the University of Cincinnati plays tonight. You can hear that

1613
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: one on seven hundred WLW. They're at home for a

1614
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 1: seven o'clock tip against Georgia State. Georgia State is on one.

1615
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: U see what that went over Western Carolina the other

1616
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: night ninety four sixty three. Then they have UD they

1617
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 1: have Dayton coming to town on Tuesday night of next week.

1618
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: And last night at at the Centas Center, Richard Patino's

1619
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 1: team went to two to zero. On twenty twenty five,

1620
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 1: they had a seventy four to sixty nine win on Lemoyne. Yeah, Lemoine,

1621
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: it's going to be a struggle this year, I think

1622
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: for for Xavier in a lot of games that you

1623
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 1: look at and you say, hey, you know what, why

1624
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 1: are they struggling. They had Roddy Anderson last night with

1625
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 1: fifteen points, Malik Messina Moore had seventeen points and five assists.

1626
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: But after the game, Patino was taught about his team

1627
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 1: and it had to and how it had to rally

1628
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: for a win.

1629
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 16: Yeah, We're going to make it interesting for all the

1630
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 16: fans this year. I can tell you that much. But

1631
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 16: I'm really proud of the response. You know, I thought

1632
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 16: Roddy and Philip did a great job of not pouting,

1633
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 16: coming in and being great off the bench. Obviously sharing

1634
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 16: the basketball. Twenty assists was awesome.

1635
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 12: You know, our defense is a little better in.

1636
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,560
Speaker 16: The second half, but we certainly got some work to

1637
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 16: do there. And you know, giving that kid number seven

1638
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 16: six threes was no good. But overall, you know, I'm

1639
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 16: proud of the effort in the fight. We played really

1640
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 16: really hard today.

1641
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah that would be Trent Muscara from Lemoyn who had

1642
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 1: the six threes. Anyway, it's a win seventy four to

1643
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 1: sixty nine, and Xavior moves to two and zero. Somebody

1644
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 1: that follows basketball globally and is probably watching a lot

1645
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: of these games, these early season games with great interest,

1646
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: is joining us now. He is, among other places, correspondent

1647
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: for the website Busting Brackets, and I had Cole Eminson

1648
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: on the show last year. Wanted to get him back

1649
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: on early on this year and hopefully for a few

1650
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 1: more times between now and the end of the basketball season.

1651
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 1: Let's bring them on in. Cole, how are you on

1652
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 1: this glorious day.

1653
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 7: I'm good, Ken, thanks for having me appreciate you.

1654
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you're here. It's kind of I don't know,

1655
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: it's a learning process for me, and I'm certainly it's

1656
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 1: a learning process for you, certainly more for me than

1657
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 1: it is for you. These teams they just change players,

1658
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 1: and the early season rhythms aren't there, and it just

1659
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: seems like at this time of the year it's very

1660
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 1: difficult to keep up with who's where and exactly who's

1661
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: playing and in what kind of system. College basketball is

1662
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 1: certainly nothing like it was even ten years ago.

1663
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 15: Was it?

1664
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 16: No?

1665
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 7: Absolutely not. I know that throughout the summer and things

1666
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:54,600
Speaker 7: like that.

1667
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 13: You're always trying to track who goes where, trying to

1668
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,600
Speaker 13: keep a spreadsheet going sometimes and you lose track of

1669
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 13: them there and just keep a track.

1670
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 7: Of all of them is obviously very very hard to do.

1671
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 7: There's so many moving parts throughout a lot of things.

1672
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 13: It's a landscape that's ever changing right now, and keeping

1673
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 13: track of them is one of the most difficult tasks

1674
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 13: that you can do in the offseason, that is for sure.

1675
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: Well, let's begin with last night, and let's begin with Xavier,

1676
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 1: not necessarily about last night's game. About this Xavior team.

1677
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 1: There's a new head coach, obviously, it's Richard Patino, and

1678
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 1: he has brought in a lot of new players. What

1679
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: do you know about this team that a lot of people,

1680
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: even his father Rick said, don't expect a whole lot

1681
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 1: from Xavier this year. What are you looking at when

1682
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 1: you see that team?

1683
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, I think you know.

1684
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 13: When you're in these early type of games, early on,

1685
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 13: it's of course you want to win, but it's also

1686
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 13: a matter about how you win, especially when you're kind

1687
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 13: of playing against some lower level competition, and we saw

1688
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 13: it hasn't been necessarily pretty for Xavier.

1689
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 7: Obviously, the blown twenty point.

1690
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 13: Lead to Maris and then they eked out that five

1691
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 13: point win over Lamoi, which is currently a Ken Tom

1692
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 13: Sub three hundred team right now. So obviously that doesn't

1693
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 13: inspire a whole lot of confidence. And I know, of

1694
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 13: course rick Rick Patina was like, hey, expect a long season.

1695
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 13: But again, Xavier is a brand new team. This is

1696
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 13: a brand new, brand new coach, everything like that. There's

1697
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 13: a lot of shuffling right now going through their starting

1698
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:23,679
Speaker 13: lineup and things like that. But Montana transfer Malik More,

1699
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 13: He's done a lot of the heavy lifting offensively. I

1700
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 13: think that's probably I guess we'll see a lot of

1701
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 13: things change. Again, this is only November, but maybe you

1702
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 13: can kind of see him emerge as that go to

1703
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 13: scoring options. But there's just a lot of things that

1704
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 13: are kind of influx right now with Xavier. A lot

1705
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:44,759
Speaker 13: of question marks still to be had. I know, obviously,

1706
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:47,639
Speaker 13: when you're in these tight games early in the season,

1707
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 13: especially when you were playing these type games, you know

1708
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 13: there is benefit to that in the long run when

1709
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 13: you can close out these tight games, which obviously Richard

1710
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 13: Patino did allude to in his press conference. But again you,

1711
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 13: it's not exactly a vote of confidence when you're kind

1712
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 13: of squeaking through these kind of games early on in

1713
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:05,799
Speaker 13: the season.

1714
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: We have the University of Cincinnati back home tonight. You

1715
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: can hear that one on seven hundred w WELW right

1716
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 1: down the hall. Georgia State is the opponent. And then

1717
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 1: their first real test or the most interesting game so

1718
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 1: far the season will be Tuesday night when the University

1719
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: of Dayton hops a bus and heads on down here.

1720
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 1: But let's talk a little bit about West Miller's team.

1721
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: Big twelve basketball.

1722
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 3: I love.

1723
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 1: I think there's a strong argument to be made that

1724
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: it might be the best. Still, that's it.

1725
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 13: Excuse me, you're breaking up here a little bit. I

1726
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 13: heard a little bit of that, but I heard just

1727
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 13: a couple glimpses of that.

1728
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:07,719
Speaker 1: Sorry, you're.

1729
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 7: Twenty Yeah, absolutely so. I can't hear much.

1730
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 13: But I do have a lot of thoughts here on

1731
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:22,560
Speaker 13: Cincinnati here, and I think one thing with Cincinnati for

1732
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 13: me is maybe I'm a bit too optimistic, but I'm

1733
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 13: really confident in the Cincinnati team this season. I had

1734
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 13: we had to do some of these hot takes early

1735
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 13: on in the season, and one of them, for me,

1736
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 13: was that Cincinnati comfortably makes the NCAA tournament. We'll see

1737
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:40,600
Speaker 13: how that actually unfolds throughout the season, because there's no

1738
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:42,840
Speaker 13: question that this is a big year for Wes Miller.

1739
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 13: But I really did like what I saw there in

1740
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 13: their ninety four to sixty three win over Western Carolina.

1741
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 7: The thing with Cincinnati defense is going to be the thing.

1742
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 13: I think they realistically can be arguably a top three

1743
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 13: defense in the Big Twelve. They forced twenty two turnovers

1744
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 13: from West Carolina and they scored twenty six points off

1745
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 13: those turnovers. So that's obviously a promising sign which can

1746
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 13: kind of turn defense into offense, which of course that

1747
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 13: wasn't really the case last season, so that's a promising sign.

1748
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:14,759
Speaker 13: Florida transfer Baba Miller he can be that X factor.

1749
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 13: He had eighteen points, ten boards. He pairs really nicely

1750
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:22,599
Speaker 13: with UCF transfer Mustapa Dam and he's kind of a terrorizing,

1751
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 13: kind of a block shocking machine. So he kind of

1752
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 13: got some two longer type bodies there, and I think

1753
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 13: they've pair very well nicely for Cincinnati. And of course

1754
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 13: freshman Sean Abayev. He looks really good. He looks almost

1755
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 13: as good as advertised. And there's also, of course, you

1756
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 13: have that veteran backcourt Dade Thomas and kurk Resa And

1757
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 13: I know they did lose or dismiss Gisel James here,

1758
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 13: but again, this is a team that I think does

1759
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 13: have the pieces to make some noise. But again it's

1760
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,679
Speaker 13: still early on in the season. There's that non conference schedule.

1761
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 13: They're not gonna leave the state of Ohio until December thirteenth.

1762
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,519
Speaker 13: They'll get home the friendly home court, They'll get the

1763
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 13: friendly Ohio thing for them going here, so maybe that

1764
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 13: can help them.

1765
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 7: But they're gonna have to get a few wins.

1766
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 13: I know that Dayton game is gonna be really big,

1767
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 13: and then they got Louisville coming up, Xavier and the

1768
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 13: rest of that non conference schedule notably runs out with

1769
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 13: Georgia and then Clemson.

1770
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 1: How do you see the Big twelve this year, Cole

1771
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 1: how do you see that playing out that conference?

1772
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 15: Yeah?

1773
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 13: I think Big twelve for me is it's Houston's to lose. Houston,

1774
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 13: I think has I mean, obviously they return a lot.

1775
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 13: In my opinion, they are the number one are possibly

1776
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 13: number two team in the country. The defense there is

1777
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 13: going to be is great. The defense great I believe

1778
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 13: the Big Twelve runs through Houston. But again, there's also

1779
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 13: there's Kansas, who a bit of a wild card because hey,

1780
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 13: like they didn't have the best couple of seasons. I

1781
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 13: mean Bill self, but he lost in the round of

1782
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 13: sixty four last year and then the round of thirty

1783
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 13: two the year before. They were just ten and eight

1784
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 13: and eleven nine and the Big Twelve kind of in

1785
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 13: that middle of the pack. But I really do think

1786
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 13: there's Darren Peterson with that freshman at the freshman class

1787
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:08,600
Speaker 13: year in college basketball is phenomenal, and Darren Peterson is

1788
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 13: right up that list.

1789
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 7: I think that.

1790
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 13: Kansas could be a team that we're kind of losing

1791
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 13: sight on a little bit. And we can never doubt

1792
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 13: Bill self, We just can't.

1793
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 1: We have Kentucky tonight against val Praiso, and Mark Pope

1794
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 1: was talking this week about how much more physical his

1795
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 1: team is this year. He wanted to upgrade its physicality

1796
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: and the practices I guess are very physical. I'm just wondering,

1797
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 1: as you look at Kentucky inside the SEC, what are

1798
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: you seeing from the Wildcats.

1799
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 13: Yeah, there definitely is a physicality thing that's showing here.

1800
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 13: I believe they out rebounded Nichols fifty one to thirty or.

1801
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 7: Something like that. I'll have to check the box score

1802
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:47,560
Speaker 7: for that.

1803
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 13: But the physicality with Kentucky is evident, and I know

1804
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 13: there's I've seen a lot of people, in my opinion,

1805
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 13: a bit overreacting about Kentucky's shooting woes so far to

1806
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:58,719
Speaker 13: start the season.

1807
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 7: Now, don't get me wrong, the number aren't great.

1808
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,679
Speaker 13: They shot just seven for twenty seven, which is about

1809
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 13: a twenty six percent from three over Nichols, and in

1810
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 13: their exhibition lost to Georgetown, they shot just twenty three

1811
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:10,599
Speaker 13: percent from three.

1812
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 7: So again, I get that there's these struggles.

1813
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 13: But reports indicated right now that Jay Pitt transfer Jalen

1814
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:20,919
Speaker 13: Lowe is expected to return tonight, and he was terrific

1815
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 13: at Pitt. He was really much a pick and roll

1816
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 13: master besides Braden Smith. I think he was arguably the

1817
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 13: most comfortable and pick and roll situations. He averaged almost

1818
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,639
Speaker 13: seventeen points a game five and a half a sisper

1819
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 13: game last season with Pitt. So if he's gonna come

1820
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,560
Speaker 13: tonight against val Perezo, I think he'll be ready to

1821
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 13: help kind of generate a bit more flow into Kentucky's offense.

1822
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 13: I think, for lack of a better word, I think

1823
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 13: Kentucky's offense it felt a bit shoppy, so to speak,

1824
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:50,600
Speaker 13: in their Nichols game, But it's something that's going to

1825
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 13: take time. There's obvious firepower in this offense, and we

1826
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 13: saw a little bit in that second half of the

1827
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 13: of the game against Nichols that kind of just showed

1828
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 13: what their capable of doing on the offensive side of

1829
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 13: the floor. If they would have knocked down a few

1830
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 13: more free throws they shot just twelve to twenty two

1831
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 13: from the line, they would have had eighty easily. So again,

1832
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:11,799
Speaker 13: I think this is sort of a chemistry project for Kentucky.

1833
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 13: There's a lot of moving pieces, and again it's only November.

1834
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 13: They got the depth and I believe that these are

1835
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 13: just it's just it's a long season. It's November seventh,

1836
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 13: it's the first week of college basketball. I believe this

1837
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 13: offense will kind of work its way into and we've

1838
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 13: already seen the physicality aspects that's already immediately evident with

1839
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 13: this team.

1840
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 1: There's another good game to Kansas and North Carolina. That's

1841
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 1: a big season for North Carolina, and at least early on,

1842
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,719
Speaker 1: this is a Marquee matchup. Maybe not either team ranked

1843
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 1: as high as they should be, but I think both

1844
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: teams will be around at the end of the year.

1845
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 1: Would you agree, Absolutely?

1846
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 13: Absolutely, And yeah, it's a big year for North Carolina,

1847
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 13: a big year for Hubert Davis. Been very much a

1848
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 13: roller coaster, up and down, up and down, up and down.

1849
01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:00,759
Speaker 13: But again, this is the year of the freshman college basketball.

1850
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 13: Caleb Wilson is another name just a circle whenever you

1851
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 13: see North Carolina's to watch, Caleb Wilson. Obviously Seth Trimble

1852
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 13: there is great too as well. Jonathan Powell's pretty darn

1853
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 13: good too for North Carolina. But yeah, it's both these teams.

1854
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 13: I'm actually very much optimistic with. I believe we'll get

1855
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 13: blue Bloods back this season.

1856
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at all. I'm looking at

1857
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 1: the top twenty five, and the usual suspects are in there,

1858
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 1: and I you know, you could talk about any one

1859
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 1: of those teams winning at all. Is there any team

1860
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:32,839
Speaker 1: that's bubbling below the top I'm sorry, the top fifteen?

1861
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 1: Is there any team bubbling below fifteen? The Alabamas, the

1862
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 1: Iowa States, the Tennessee is the All Burns of the world.

1863
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 1: Is there any team there that could be a surprise

1864
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 1: early on this season. Yeah.

1865
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:47,600
Speaker 7: Absolutely.

1866
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 13: One name that I kind of or one team that

1867
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:52,000
Speaker 13: I got circled would be the Illinois fighting a line.

1868
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 13: I think there's again there another team. I think this

1869
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 13: is the theme is lots of moving pieces, and that's

1870
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 13: the case with Illinois. But again, they got a lot

1871
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 13: of size, they got a lot of experience. They played

1872
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 13: really well in their win over Jackson State. And I

1873
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 13: know that it's Jackson State. There's only a small sample

1874
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,640
Speaker 13: signs that you can take away from it. But I

1875
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 13: mean they got some stat stuffers, and I think what's

1876
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 13: going to be most important why I'm a bit very

1877
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 13: optimistic about Illinois here is you know, you've got Ben Hummerkous,

1878
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 13: who last year took a little bit of slack from

1879
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 13: the Illinois fans a little bit about his inconsistency, so

1880
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 13: to speak. From the three point line. He made five

1881
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 13: threes off the bench. He had twenty one points. So

1882
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 13: again you can if you have that other X factor

1883
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 13: kind of coming in that he's not even starting and

1884
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 13: he's making that impact, that's something that I could be

1885
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 13: optimistic with with Illinois. Of course, I like Kylon Boswell

1886
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 13: a lot too as well, and I really am a

1887
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 13: big fan of They got Thomas LoVa Vsitch and then

1888
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:51,840
Speaker 13: as well as his brother, zibamoor A Vsch, which I'm

1889
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 13: sure I mispronounced that name.

1890
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 7: They're twins.

1891
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:56,679
Speaker 13: And again that's kind of like those dudes are about

1892
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 13: seven foot Those guys are huge that and they're all

1893
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 13: they all capable of stretching the floor, which is perfect

1894
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 13: because Brett Underwood talks a lot about positionless basketball, and

1895
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 13: those guys kind of fit that build and kind of

1896
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 13: fit the system for Illinois.

1897
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 1: Visa. Thomas lav I think is a wonderful player. Thomas, Yeah, wonderful,

1898
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 1: just absolutistic player. And you know, sometimes big guys just

1899
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:22,720
Speaker 1: don't play all that fluidly. They're kind of awkward. He's not.

1900
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 1: He plays about his flute. There is any big guy

1901
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 1: that's out there right now very fluid.

1902
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 13: He had I believe he had three threes in his

1903
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 13: game in the game against Jackson State. I mean he's

1904
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 13: I want to say he had maybe five or six

1905
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 13: three point attempts. And you know this is this isn't

1906
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:40,599
Speaker 13: just a six foot ten guy, this is seven foot

1907
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 13: one guy. I mean, this is this is impressive stuff,

1908
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:45,400
Speaker 13: very fluid, and he's you know, he's only going to

1909
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 13: get better throughout the season.

1910
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 7: Very optimistic with him.

1911
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 1: Well, Cole, we appreciate your time. I know I mentioned

1912
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 1: you know where they can find you busting brackets, but

1913
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 1: you kind of right all over the place where there

1914
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 1: where are what else does your work show up these days?

1915
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:00,719
Speaker 7: Yes, sir correct?

1916
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,040
Speaker 13: I also right now, you know, I'm working over at

1917
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 13: a newspaper just north of Madison, Wisconsin. Working at a

1918
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:09,240
Speaker 13: newspaper covering a lot of prep school stuff right now.

1919
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 13: That's kind of, you know, the first job out of

1920
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 13: college so to speak here for me, so kind of

1921
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 13: working up the ranks through there and doing all the

1922
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 13: prep stuff. And we'll be doing some prep football tonight.

1923
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:21,599
Speaker 13: But I'll tell you what, I will have the scores

1924
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 13: on my phone. I will be watching and I will

1925
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,880
Speaker 13: be having all those scores going through just so I

1926
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:26,639
Speaker 13: don't miss a beat.

1927
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:29,560
Speaker 1: There you go, well, Cole Evanson, it's great to have

1928
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:31,600
Speaker 1: you on again. You stay well, We'll die you up

1929
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 1: here in a little bit. Thanks.

1930
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:34,320
Speaker 7: Thank Ken.

1931
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 1: There he is busting brackets bustingbrackets dot Com. Who would

1932
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 1: not like to bust some brackets sometimes I feel like

1933
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 1: busting loose, remember that song. Nevertheless, that's what we're leading into.

1934
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:52,559
Speaker 1: We're leading into Valpraiso and UK that's coming up at

1935
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 1: the bottom of the hour, and that'll be at seven

1936
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 1: o'clock tip off. You see, Georgia's stay again is on

1937
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:05,600
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. Again is seven o'clock tip off. So

1938
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,320
Speaker 1: all kinds of college football coming up. We might not

1939
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 1: have we might not have at all football here this weekend,

1940
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: but we certainly have college basketball, and it's going to

1941
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how it all plays out, not

1942
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 1: necessarily for you know, who wins championships or whatnot, but

1943
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:27,559
Speaker 1: how these teams together, you know, how they work together,

1944
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 1: how it all comes together, how everybody seems to get

1945
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 1: into the flow of things. It's a very difficult thing

1946
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 1: to gauge. Early in the season. You look for individual

1947
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:40,599
Speaker 1: players and what they can accomplish, and then you try

1948
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 1: to factor that into where this team, where these teams

1949
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:46,559
Speaker 1: might be when it really drops into third gear sometime

1950
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 1: around the first of the year. So that's what I

1951
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 1: look at. I look at individual players, I look at

1952
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,320
Speaker 1: what their game is, and then I watch to see

1953
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 1: how the coach can factor all of that into a

1954
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:02,120
Speaker 1: winning season. That'll do it for me. Ken Brew from

1955
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:06,799
Speaker 1: Oeger ESPN fifteen thirty back on seven hundred WLW tomorrow

1956
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 1: at high noon and Sunday morning Sports Doc beginning at

1957
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 1: nine oh six this Sunday. Have a great weekend. You

1958
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:18,679
Speaker 1: will if you keep it here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1959
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 2: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

1960
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 8: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center.

1961
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 9: The Lung Cancer Rapid Access Program at the UC Cancer

1962
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,639
Speaker 9: Center is built to give you a care plan fast

1963
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:38,680
Speaker 9: meet with a specialist in two days. Call five one

1964
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 9: three five eighty five UCCC. On northbound seventy one at

1965
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 9: Smith Edwards, two right lanes are blocked from an accident.

1966
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 9: Police and tow Cruz there on scene. Also got a

1967
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 9: crash on southbound two seventy five after State Route thirty

1968
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,920
Speaker 9: two in Eastgate that's got the left lane blocked. I'm

1969
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 9: at ezelic with traffic this report