1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Mark Saltzman joins us. 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 2: Mark, you should come to our party. 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: You've been with us from the beginning. 4 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 3: It's tech talk, Yeah, waiting for the theme scene. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: Now there, the machines are getting smarter. This is tech talk. Awkward. 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 4: Well, I'm dying to answer to ask you some questions 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 4: about this. I have a ring doorbell, ring cameras, Nest doorbells, 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 4: of cameras and all those. I mean there's probably dozens 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 4: of different companies that are now making video doorbells and 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 4: camera security cameras lower end perhaps for your home, lower 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 4: end being inexpensive. But the ability for Google, which now 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 4: owns Nest, to go back and find footage, how does 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 4: that if she didn't have a subscription for it, it 14 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 4: gets stuck in a pile of other refuse that is, 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 4: you know, digital garbage. How do they even begin looking 16 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 4: for that stuff? 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: Right? 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: So obviously, and I know you've been covering this not 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 3: just today but for the last probably twelve days, the 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: Nancy Guthrie alleged abduction going on in Tucson. So this 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 3: is a tragic story across the board, but from a 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 3: tech perspective, yeah, it's been it's been really interesting and frustrating. 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: I'm sure for the authorities, because yeah, to your point, So, 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: Nancy Guthrie had a Google Nest branded video doorbell, where 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 3: like Ring and Blink, you can buy the doorbell for 26 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 3: whatever it is, hundred and fifty bucks. But a lot 27 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 3: of people don't know that it's free to chat live 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: with somebody over video look through your phone, even if 29 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: you're not at home. But should you want to go 30 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: back in time, you have to pay for that. That 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 3: is a subscription that is optional. I'd argue it's not 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: super transparent when you buy one of these things. And 33 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: so that's like a five bucks a month subscription that 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: she did not pay for, which you mentioned. And so 35 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: when the authorities were trying to retrieve video from that 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: doorbell to see if they can see the images that 37 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: we are now seeing as of the last couple of days, 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: it wasn't available because you didn't pay for that service. 39 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: It got Apparently they were told we don't have this. 40 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 3: And I have gone on various TV shows to argue 41 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: Google's got it somewhere. They have servers that store all this. 42 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 3: It's a matter of if they can retrieve it, if 43 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: they're willing to work with the authority. Some companies like 44 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 3: Apple has a reputation of you know, putting personal privacy first, 45 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: even if it could impede an investigation, and it also 46 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: sets a precedent, right, I'm sure that Google and Amazon 47 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: want people to pay for that service. 48 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: That's where the real money is. 49 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: And if people think, well, I don't really need to 50 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 3: pay if something happens to me, they're going to get 51 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 3: that video anyway. Yeah, I'm just suggesting that that could 52 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 3: be and they just again, they don't want to set 53 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: a precedent because it's all that extra work for them. 54 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, there are like tens of millions of these 55 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: video doorbells, so it wasn't easy allegedly, but I'm sure 56 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: it was pressure by the FBI on Google to get 57 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 3: that video. Even though Nancy didn't pay for it, which 58 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 3: they did. They ended up getting it and they're working 59 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 3: with those you know, eighteen thousand tips now. But yeah, 60 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 3: so people don't know that when you buy a video 61 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: door bell, but the cheaper ones that you mentioned, Gary, 62 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: they often have an option to save the video locally, 63 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: which is great. So TP link Cameras, UFI, REO link 64 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 3: they do have a cloud option, but most of them 65 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 3: have the ability to record offline, like not needing the cloud, 66 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: And so you've got that video there, which would have 67 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: been a lot easier from the start unless they took 68 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: the video with them. 69 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 4: Those that do record locally, there would be a limit, 70 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 4: perhaps obviously because of the size or whatever your memory 71 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 4: card would be. But would it then say, record for 72 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 4: two weeks and then begin to record over itself. 73 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: You got it? 74 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: Just like a dashcam when you have a dashboard camera 75 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: in your vehicle, it records in a loop. But the loop, 76 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: the duration of that loop will vary based on the 77 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: size of the memory card. Usually it's several days, if 78 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: not weeks, even on the lower memory card storage options. 79 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: And so, yeah, that would have been better. But here's 80 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: the thing. 81 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 3: So some even if she had one of those, if 82 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: the abductor took the video doorbell with him that or 83 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: the memory card out of the back of it, then 84 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: that's then you're sol But there are some of these 85 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: doorbells that have a solution that records to a device 86 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: in your home, like Blink, which is again an Amazon 87 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: brand like Ring that offers doorbells. They have like I 88 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: think it's like a thirty dollars option to have some 89 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: hardware in your home and that you hopefully would not 90 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 3: have that easily found that would record video as a 91 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: backup that the authorities can get. 92 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, so they did get it. They managed to 93 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: get it. 94 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 3: You know, it took a while because we're talking with 95 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 3: you know, tens of millions, but they got their engineers 96 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 3: on it, and yeah, so hopefully it'll hel but it 97 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: should have come out nine days earlier. 98 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: How did these come to be the doorbell cameras? I mean, 99 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: I know they took off in recent years. It seems 100 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: like everyone's got them now, but I mean the concept 101 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: and then the fury with which they took off. 102 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Ring it was an independent company. I think 103 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 3: he was on Dragons Dan or Shark Tank one of 104 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: those shows, and then Amazon ended up buying it and 105 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 3: bringing it to the next level. 106 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 2: They can do scale right, and so many others came 107 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: on board. 108 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: It's a great idea because through your phone, even if 109 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: you're not at home, you can chat with the person 110 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: at the front or as if you were there. They 111 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: don't even need to know that you're not inside, So 112 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 3: it's great to have also as a deterrent. So I 113 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: think they're great and then now we're starting to see 114 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 3: new features added on like AI where it can identify 115 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: for you a courier is there, or it's an animal 116 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: or a familiar face, and it'll push a notification to 117 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: your phone. The concern, though, is big Brother, and you know, 118 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: now with ice and everything going on, people are very, 119 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: very skittish about facial recognition technology. Amazon had an ad 120 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 3: during the Super Bowl that touted its search Party feature, 121 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 3: which is meant to identify a missing dog by pooling 122 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 3: from millions of ring doorbells or at least you know, 123 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: thousands in the neighborhood, and it's going to then you know, 124 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: you know, you're gonna be notified, or actually the ring 125 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: owner of the doorbell is going to be notified, and 126 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 3: then the onus is on them to contact the person 127 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 3: whose dog is missing. But people are not worried that 128 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 3: they're going, well, what's next facial recognition. Of course, that 129 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: already is a feature of ring called familiar faces, but 130 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: that's something that is not shared with the community. That's 131 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: me saying, hey, that's my wife, Kelly, this is what 132 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 3: she looks like, this is my dog, And then when 133 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: I'm getting a push notification is telling me Kelly is 134 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 3: outside or whatever, but still big brother. 135 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 4: Ish, Right, why does your wife not have the key 136 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 4: to the. 137 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: House or is there a problem? 138 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 3: Well, it's just you don't want to get false notifications 139 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: all day. If you're at the office and your ring doorbell, 140 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: you know your your kid is walking the dog, or 141 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: your wife is outside walking to her car. It's gonna 142 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 3: if you don't say who it is, and it's gonna 143 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 3: just keep going off. Right, So you can tell the 144 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: app there. It's getting smarter using AI that to only 145 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: notify you if it's something that you should be notified about, right, 146 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: and you can go back in history. You can say, 147 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: show me anytime my dog was walked today and it'll 148 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: show you. So it's handy, but it's one of those 149 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: like slippery slopes where you know everything is being recorded, 150 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: you know. 151 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: Anyways, it's like this conversation and if you can catch 152 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: it on the podcast. 153 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: Nicely done done. The iHeartRadio people will be let me 154 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: be happy with that. 155 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, we can bonus every time we say I wish. 156 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: Thanks Mark, Thanks guys Chas. 157 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 4: Speaking of the podcast, Mark has a great podcast who 158 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 4: called the teket Out Podcast.