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Speaker 1: Seven thirty here fifty by KCD Talk Stations. It's that

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Speaker 1: time of week we can hear from Americans for Prosperity.

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Speaker 1: Donovan O'Neill, you can find well today Buckeye Blueprint dot

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Speaker 1: Com are going to get an analysis of halfway through

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Speaker 1: the mid the legislative score session for the year Buckeye

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Speaker 1: Blueprint agenda items. How far have our elected officials and

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Speaker 1: columb has gone to achieve those objectives. Well, we need

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Speaker 1: a scorecard for that, and thankfully Americans for Prosperity has that.

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Speaker 1: Donovan Neil, welcome back to the morning show. My friend's

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Speaker 1: always great hearing from you, Brian.

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Speaker 2: Always a good beginning to the middle of the week

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Speaker 2: for me. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: I love what you're doing, and the point being is

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Speaker 1: engaging people and making it easy for my listeners and

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Speaker 1: other folks in the state about how to try and

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Speaker 1: improve our economic conditions among other things here but by

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Speaker 1: helping folks achieve the objectives to little steps, maybe they

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Speaker 1: can engage a little bit a whole lot. But you

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Speaker 1: agree the skids to do that. And if you want

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Speaker 1: to see what the agenda items are that Buckeye that

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Speaker 1: Americans for prosperity is focusing on go to Buckeye blueprint

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Speaker 1: dot com, and the statistic are still there from twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three and not doing real well. We're kind of

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Speaker 1: far as economic freedom, the education opportunities, energy abundance among

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Speaker 1: the topics that you're pushing. So you do a midway

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Speaker 1: analysis and you're going to ultimately have a complete scorecard.

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Speaker 1: I guess that rolls out of the end of the

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Speaker 1: legislative session. You can rank members specifically and give them

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is our This is actually our second scorecard.

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Speaker 3: We released our first one at the end of the

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Speaker 3: last General Assembly. The legislature gets together right every two

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Speaker 3: years or over duration of two years, and they do

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Speaker 3: a lot of voting. They introduce a lot of bills.

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Speaker 3: As a limited government conservative, I don't like that. Most

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Speaker 3: of us shouldn't like that the politicians are in Columbus

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Speaker 3: passing bills, passing laws. But some of them, Brian, are good,

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Speaker 3: and I would actually learned. I think they're going to

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Speaker 3: they're up over I think seven hundred. I might be mistaken,

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Speaker 3: but between the House and the Senate, a certainly well

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Speaker 3: over seven hundred pieces of introduced legislation. A lot of

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Speaker 3: that doesn't a lot of that doesn't go anywhere, but

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Speaker 3: you know, we work on some really key pieces of

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Speaker 3: legislation that our activists, our supporters are focused in on.

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Speaker 3: And so this scorecard that we've released, this mid session

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Speaker 3: scorecard sort of provides folks an opportunity to assess the

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Speaker 3: we can figure out what's been accomplished, but then also

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Speaker 3: sort of set our sights on what else needs to

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, one of the items that I think

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Speaker 1: that we may have about initiative on the ballot to

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Speaker 1: repeal all property taxes as a constitutional amendment, is AFP

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Speaker 1: involved in any efforts to reform property taxes in the

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, one of the things we do, Brian Rice, especially

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Speaker 3: with our Buckeye Blueprint for your listeners who haven't tuned

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Speaker 3: you know this, This isn't a policy agenda that we

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Speaker 3: create in Washington, d C. At our national headquarters, or

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Speaker 3: you know, even in our Columbus office where we just

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Speaker 3: I actually go out and we do a listening tour,

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Speaker 3: As you can imagine, we're identified early on this session

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Speaker 2: And there are actually four bills.

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Speaker 3: There's a number of additional bills, but four bills in

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Speaker 1: Well, head on the right direction. I think fear of

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Speaker 3: I think what it certainly has done is it's provided

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Speaker 2: Some of these other taxes. Over the years, we've moved.

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Speaker 3: From nine tax brackets down to one. We've actually got

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Speaker 3: But when was the last time your school board, Brian

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Speaker 3: announced that they were going to that. They've been fiscally responsible,

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Speaker 3: they've made they've made efficiencies, they're they're they're now able

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Speaker 3: to give you a tax break. They're going to cut

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Speaker 3: your taxes. Brian, When was the last time you.

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Speaker 2: Had a school board, city, council, village? When have you

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Speaker 1: Quote is quote from executive producer Joe Strecker. It took

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Speaker 2: Quote. There you go. And that's the I don't mean

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Speaker 3: With this sort of damocles hanging over local government's head

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Speaker 3: vigilant and continue to work to rebalance the rules of

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Speaker 3: political fiefdoms that exist thirty nine hundred of them, by

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Speaker 3: and that's part of our Modernizing Ohio Government pillar within.

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Speaker 1: Our blueprint Modernizing how Government one of the four pillars

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about the others with Donovan and Neil Americans

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Speaker 1: for Prosperity again if you want to see the specifics

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Speaker 1: and advance this very policy agenda. Buckeye Blueprint dot com.

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Speaker 1: Bring Donald O'Neil back. I want to mention covers since

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Speaker 1: he because I want you to save money and have

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Speaker 1: Seven fifty five KCD talk Station, Happy Wednesday, Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: with Donald O'Neil from Americans for Prosperity. We're focusing on

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Speaker 1: the Buckeye Blueprint, which you can find online at buff

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Speaker 1: help out. They've made it very easy to do so,

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Speaker 1: help out in terms of the upcoming legislative scorecard halfway

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Speaker 1: through the one hundred and thirty sixth General Assembly, and

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Speaker 1: the four pillars that the a Buckeye Blueprint deals with

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Speaker 1: is economic freedom, modernizing Ohio government, education, opportunity, and the

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Speaker 1: all important energy abundance. They just talked about the effort

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Speaker 1: to get towards zero percent income tax maybe within the

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Speaker 1: have that. I guess, how do you reconcile zero percent

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Speaker 1: dive into that now, Donovan, another complication, but moving over

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Speaker 1: We all know that there's more layers of government than

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Speaker 1: run government. That sounds like a solid idea. Where are

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Speaker 3: Well, part of the part of the challenge that will

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Speaker 3: symptom of an underlying problem. The underlying problem is the

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Speaker 3: amount of government, especially overlapping governments. We have around the

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Speaker 3: state of Ohio, thirty nine hundred political subdivisions, as I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sixth most in the nation. We're unique in how

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Speaker 3: Legislation to address then, although actually Representative Jack Daniels from

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Speaker 3: So in Ohio you may have to file income taxes

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Speaker 1: With all these political subdivisions, doesn't that require like relinquishing,

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Speaker 1: a voluntary relinquishment of control and authority in any given area.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, this isn't a new problem either. You

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Speaker 2: To consolidate share services.

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Speaker 3: But you know they once the economic conditions improved, they

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Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, it's pivoting over to education opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Big fan of that.

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Speaker 1: I am let families determine where their children go to school.

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Speaker 1: I believe the money should follow the child. We've made

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Speaker 3: Toward that end, we certainly have, and I think part

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Speaker 2: What do we do to actually through the outcomes?

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Speaker 3: How do we especially in our public education sector, where

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Speaker 2: Energy abundance is the key.

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Speaker 3: And I think I agree with the vager Almaswami as

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Speaker 3: And when an energy project wants to happen in Ohio,

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Speaker 3: But you know, now we've got to see these projects happen.

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Speaker 3: That's slowly but surely occurring. In fact, the President had

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Speaker 3: But folks are looking to Ohio because of the bold

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Speaker 1: Of Ohio going in the right direction. Maybe smaller steps

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Speaker 1: again to AFP for doing that. Dial Than and Neil

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Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure for having you on the program.

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Speaker 1: Keep up the great work, my friend. You know you

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Speaker 1: Morning Show. Thanks those always, Brian, have a great week,

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