1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: It's nights time with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:06,399 Speaker 1: new radio. 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: All right, believe it or not. We were just having 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: a great conversation about the Red Sox season with producer 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: Rob and associate producer Luke, who's in the control room tonight. 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: So that's the end of the baseball talk. We still 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: have to warn the Patriots. My name is Dan Ray. 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: We are here every Monday through Friday night. Well, we 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: as Rob, my producer, and myself and Luke is here 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: tonight and he'll be here other nights as well, so 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: we got to work him into the into the line 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: up here and we'll be we'll be all set. We'll 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: be one hundred percent at that point, maybe even better. 14 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: My name again is Dan Ray. I'm the host of 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: the show, and we are here Monday through Friday from 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: eight to midnight. We have a very interesting show coming 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: up tonight, a lot of breaking news and we're going 18 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: to keep you up to the to the minute on 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: what's going on with the suspension and the decommissioning of 20 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: the four Massachusetts State Police officers who have been indicted 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: for involuntary manslaughter in relations at the twenty twenty four 22 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: death of trainee Enrique Delgado Garcia. What a tragic, tragic story. 23 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,639 Speaker 2: We will talk with one of the attorneys for the 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: Delgado Garcia family. There's also, as I'm sure most of 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: you know, a real break today in the disappearance. I 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: suspect the kidnapping, the abduction of Nancy Guthrie, the mom, 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: the eighty four year old mom of NBC Today Show 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: host Savannah Guthrie. And this situation is going to move 29 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 2: quickly tonight and we will keep on top of it. 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: Robin Luke will work with me very closely on this, 31 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: and we have a lot of sound on both of 32 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: these stories. But before we get to those stories, we 33 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: have four interesting guests to introduce you to briefly here 34 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: in our first we're going to start off with Colon Young, 35 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: who is a writer at the State House News Service, 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: and Colon has done a report on the demise of 37 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: the penny. Colon, I think I read somewhere that had 38 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: cost him three cents to mint new pennies, or each 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: new penny, and that's where the problem was. They were 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: minting that little penny that all of us were so 41 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: used to we could buy penny candy with. It makes 42 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: me sad. What about you, Colon, that's right, Dan. 43 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, at last account, back in November, when they stopped 44 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: minting the penny, it cost almost four pennies to make 45 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 3: one new one. And the Treasury said, you know, look 46 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 3: this just it isn't fiscally responsible. Or they said, it's 47 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: also not necessary to meet the need of commerce in 48 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 3: the United States in this day and age. And they said, look, 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 3: a lot of people, a huge number of transactions now 50 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 3: don't involve cash, so we don't need to, you know, 51 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 3: worry ourselves with every single cent. 52 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm pretty old school, as you probably 53 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: would figure. I like the idea of cash, I really do. 54 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: Credit Cards are great. I'm getting used to credit cards now, 55 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: but all this other stuff Venmo and you're look, we've 56 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: just seeing a big crash for a bitcoin. I you know, 57 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: I worry about the so called cashlest society because I 58 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: think that it opens all of us up to more 59 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: potential becoming victims of being hacked. You're younger than I am. 60 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: Can you buy into my concerns and all there are? No? 61 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, I'm. 62 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 4: I don't use. 63 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: Cash a lot myself personally. Most every thing I pay 64 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: for with a card, these days, especially now that you 65 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: can just tap the card, you don't even have to 66 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: swipe it and punch in the pin. 67 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: Number and all of that. 68 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: But I definitely can see your concerns, and I think 69 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: there's a large group of people who want maybe don't 70 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 3: have access to a bank in the same kind of way. 71 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 3: You know, when banks have minimum balance requirements and that 72 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: sort of thing, it can be hard for people to 73 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 3: keep money in a you know, say a checking account, 74 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: to use a debit card for all of their purchases. 75 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: And for those people, as the penny goes away, and 76 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: as we run into these shortages now of the penny, 77 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: where businesses don't have enough pennies to make correct change 78 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: and all of that, people who do operate fully in 79 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 3: cash could be running into situations where the rules are 80 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: a little bit different depending on where they shop. Maybe 81 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 3: one retailer treats pennies and change one way and another 82 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: retailer treats the consumer slightly differently in those transactions. So, 83 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: you know, as the penny goes away, people who rely 84 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 3: only on cash could find themselves in sort of prickier 85 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 3: situations and situations where it's harder to know if they're 86 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 3: being taken advantage of. 87 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: Well, what I'm trying to say is that I think 88 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: most of us realize. First of all, if there are 89 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: people who cannot do not have enough money to have 90 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: a bank account, obviously it's going to be tough for 91 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: them to get a debit card. I get that, I 92 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: truly get that. But what my concern is that the 93 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: more high tech we become, again, the Venmo accounts and 94 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: you're just you know, working with your computer, I just 95 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: think it's going to open up to a lot of 96 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: people getting ripped off in terms of the penny. I'll 97 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 2: bet you that. Now every every time someone uses cash, 98 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: I assume that if you use a credit card, they'll 99 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: and you you purchased something for you know, twenty five 100 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: dollars and seventy six cents, they're gonna charge you twenty 101 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: five dollars and seventy six cents. They're not going to 102 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: up charge and charge you twenty six. But if you 103 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: go in and you buy something in a sore for 104 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: you know, nine dollars and ninety one cents, they're gonna 105 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: charge you. They're going to always up charge. They're not 106 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: going to cut it back and say, oh, we'll charge you, 107 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: We'll give you a dimeback. They're gonna people are going 108 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: to start penny here, penny there eventually is going to 109 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: run into money. 110 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: In my opinion, Oh absolutely, And that's that's exactly the 111 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 3: situation that a bill just filed at the state House 112 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: is trying to address. Uh, there's a similar bill at 113 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: the federal level in Congress that hasn't gone anywhere, but 114 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: of course that would would take care of this nationwide. 115 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 3: But in Massachusetts, that's exactly the situation that Rep. Tacki 116 00:06:54,360 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: Chan from Quinsy is trying to avoid, where people aren't 117 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 3: sure exactly what the rules are. Is the business supposed 118 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 3: to round up and charge more? Should they round down 119 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: and charge less? So this build a tacky Chan has 120 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: filed tries to split the difference, and in some situations 121 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 3: amounts would be rounded up. In some situations amounts would 122 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: be rounded down. But the idea is that this would 123 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: say a level playing field. So no matter how. 124 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: Described colin, how did they describe those situations. I mean, 125 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: like above below fifty cents, it's rounded down, and above 126 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: fifty cents it's rounded up. Something like that. 127 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: It gets even more granular than that. 128 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: The idea. 129 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: Right, good for everyone trying to tally up their total 130 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: as they've shot. But the idea is they would take 131 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 3: the total and if it ends in a and with 132 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: one cent, two cents, six cents, or seven cents, the 133 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 3: total would be rounded down to the nearest zero or five. 134 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: So if you had a if you were making a 135 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: purchase that was three dollars and twenty two cents, that 136 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: would get rounded down to three dollars and twenty cents. Okay, 137 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: But if your total ends with a three, four, eight, 138 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: or nine, it would be rounded up, so three dollars 139 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: and twenty eight cents becomes three dollars and thirty cents. 140 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: My head's going to explode with this. At some point. 141 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 4: It's happened. 142 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 2: I was in one of these overpriced ice cream parlors 143 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: I'm not going to mention the name a few months 144 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: ago with my grandson who's like three and a half 145 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: wanted ice cream. So of course, the ice creams that 146 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 2: you would normally pay I don't know, four box, four 147 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: five bucks or something like this, and this place is 148 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: like twelve box or something at piece. So even the 149 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: kiddy coone, you know it like twelve. There's no such 150 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: thing as a kitty cone. So I go to pay 151 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: with a credit card. It was like twenty four box 152 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: with some tax et cetera. And they said, oh no, 153 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: we don't take credit cards. And I said, okay, I 154 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 2: got cash. So I went to give them some cash. 155 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: I said, now, we don't take cash from you. You 156 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: got to go and put your credit card in the 157 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: machine over there and take out some cash. Well, I 158 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: know what's going on here. Obviously they're scamming their customers 159 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 2: to make them use the ATM and there. So I 160 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 2: I had to do that. But when I went to pay, 161 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: I wanted to give the person who had done the 162 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: ice cream cone like three four dollars tip, So I said, 163 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: do you take my cash for a tip? And of 164 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: course immediately, oh yeah, I'll take the cash, you know. 165 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: And they were saying the reason they wouldn't take the 166 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: cash for me and I had to go to the 167 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: ATM it wasn't necessarily clean cash. I said, what are 168 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 2: you talking about? They said, well, your cash could have 169 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: germs on it. Needless to say, Colin, I have never 170 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: darkened the doorway of that ice cream shop. I can't, 171 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: no will I ever. 172 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 4: Used to be king. 173 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: Let me tell you something well, hopefully, hopefully it will 174 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: be Maybe a lot of businesses will start to say, hey, 175 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: if you're passing cash, you pay something under the table. 176 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean it, just. 177 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 4: Do deal with that. 178 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: Right. 179 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: They have to pay these high credit card service fees, right, 180 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 3: every slipe of a credit card charge costs of business. 181 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: So there are places where you might get a little 182 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: discount if you're paying cash, but you might have to 183 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: bring exact change now, and. 184 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: They will report all of that. The businesses will be 185 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: will report all of that down to the penny to 186 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: the government. I'm certain that, you know. But if the 187 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: government can mess it up, calling they can mess it up. 188 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: You know that there's like seventeen billion pennies floating around. 189 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: There's plenty of pennies floating around. 190 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: You have got some businesses hoarding them now, right, trying 191 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: to keep their own stash of them so they don't 192 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 3: have to run. 193 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: Anybody out here is saying, oh, look at this, I 194 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: got a twenty seventeen penny that's gonna be worth like 195 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: about a million dollars ten years from now. I'm putting 196 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 2: that baby away. It's in pristine condition. Dream On Colin 197 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: is always so enjoyed talking with it. Man. You you 198 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 2: actually explain things so well that even I can understand them. 199 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: And if I can understand them, I know my audience 200 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: can understand them. 201 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 3: Oh it's my pleasure. Thanks for having me. 202 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: Dan, you bet you. We'll talk soon. By the way, 203 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 2: how could they get the State House News service? They can? 204 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 2: They can sign up for this, right, it's a freebee. 205 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 3: It's not a freebie. A State House News Service is not. 206 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: We do have a. 207 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: Free morning newsletter called master List. 208 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: We'll give and that is free. 209 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: Give me. 210 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: Master List is m A S S E er list 211 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: dot com and you can go sign up there and 212 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 3: master List. The free newsletter does feature a good deal 213 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: of our reporting from state House News dot com and. 214 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 2: In business parlems that's what's known as a loss leader. 215 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: People are gonna read your stuff of the matter. They're 216 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 2: going to realize what a great reporter you are and 217 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 2: what a great reporter you have on the reporters you 218 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: have in the staff, and then they'll sign up for it. 219 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: So that's we certainly hope. 220 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: So it's like getting him into the tent. Once you 221 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: get him into the tent, then you're all set a 222 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 2: great job. Call it thanks so much. Take care, bye 223 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: bye bye. When we come back on to talk about 224 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: a nice program up in Lowell, habit Tat for Humanity 225 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 2: of Greater law will CZ creating a partnership with the 226 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: Minuteman Technical Institute to give students a project they can 227 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: gain tangible job skills by doing outside of the classroom. 228 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 2: Oh don't you think these kids are going to love 229 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: it being outside of the classroom on a build site 230 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: in Concord, Massachusetts. We'll talk with Shila Carlisle, the executive 231 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: director of Habitat for Humanity of Greater Lowell right after 232 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,119 Speaker 2: this quick break on Nightside. 233 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio. 234 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: Delighted to be joined by Sheila carl executive director of 235 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: Habitat for Humanity and Greater lull Shale and welcome to 236 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: Night's Side. How are you? 237 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me. I'm doing well. 238 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: So you're in partnership Habitat with Humanity of Great Lol 239 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 2: as in partnership with the Minuteman Technical Institute. Is that 240 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: a high school or is that after high school program? 241 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 5: It's a high school. 242 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 4: It's a high school. 243 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, great, Okay, So you're going to give students a 244 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: project where they're going to be able to gain some 245 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: tangible job skills, some experience outside of the classroom at 246 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: a build site in Conquered, mass Tell us about it. 247 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 5: Yes, we're so excited to have their support on this project. 248 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 5: This project represents three single family homes that are being 249 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 5: built right now in Conquered It's a partnership with the town. 250 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 5: We've been very blessed for have for them to donate 251 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 5: some land to us and some funds, but we need 252 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 5: volunteers and actual support to build the houses. We have 253 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 5: community members that come together that are helping build House 254 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 5: one and House three, but House too is in this 255 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 5: partnership with minute Man Tech and the students have taken 256 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 5: it on. They're supending this fall semester and now the 257 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 5: spring semester working on some framing, some electrical, some plumbing, 258 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 5: and we're just really excited to have their support to 259 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 5: create some affordable home ownership opportunities because we know Massachusetts 260 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 5: is an expensive place to live. 261 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: No doubt. So let me ask you, did they do 262 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: they go up there instead of going to school five 263 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: days a week or is it kind of a half 264 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: and half a situation of people to take people in 265 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: and rotate people out. 266 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 5: That's right. They do have some classroom time, but they 267 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 5: do spend some days out on the job site as well, 268 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 5: and they have some lesson plans that our director of construction, 269 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 5: John Maslowski, has worked with the teacher. Mister Saint George 270 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 5: is their teacher, and they've partnered to figure out all 271 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 5: the different lesson plans along with building this, you know, 272 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 5: this residential home. So the kids are getting some serious, 273 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 5: serious real world experience, really having that opportunity to see 274 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 5: what it's like being on the job site day in, 275 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 5: day out. Uh, they are students, so of course, you know, 276 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 5: our director of construction works with them to make sure that, 277 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 5: you know, everything is up to code and following all 278 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 5: the right the right steps. But they're they're out there 279 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 5: getting excellent experience. 280 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: Now, do most of these students have they decided, Okay, 281 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: I want to be an electrician, I want to be 282 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: a plumber. Or are they getting an exposure to all 283 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: of the trades and then will make the decisions as 284 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: to what trade they might pursue after they graduate. 285 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 5: That's a good question, you know, I'm not sure if 286 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 5: they I think they do have certain tracks I'd have 287 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 5: to ask that question of the school representative and see. 288 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 5: But I think they are getting great exposure across the 289 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 5: board to these different things as they go through the program. 290 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 5: And it is high school, so I think, you know, 291 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 5: they've got some opportunities and options ahead of them. 292 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: I'm sure they. Let me tell you, I think that 293 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: people who graduate from vocational schools, whatever your technical schools, 294 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: whatever you want to call them, h and they've developed 295 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: the trade, whether it's again you know, electric heating, roofing, HVAC, plumbing, 296 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: all of the all of the trades, they will never 297 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: be without a job. 298 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: And they will always agree. 299 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 2: They'll always earn well above the average income in Massachusetts. 300 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: Trying to get apart trying to get any of these 301 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: folks today the bills that I pay, the bills the 302 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: day that I get them. But it's like whoa, it's 303 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: it's yeah, pretty pretty interesting. Okay. So now the other question, 304 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: let's go to the other side of the coin. Who's 305 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: eligible for the homes? Have these homes already been spoken for? 306 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: Or is there some sort of a lottery that you 307 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: guys are going to be running. What's going on there? 308 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? 309 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 5: Great question. So right now we are still in the 310 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 5: family selection process for these homes. We are taking applications 311 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 5: in If people want to apply to a home, they 312 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 5: can go to low Habitat dot org slash home Ownership, 313 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 5: So we're accepting applicant I think through February twentieth March 314 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 5: fifth Ish will have a lottery. So it is a 315 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 5: lottery system for the families who are eligible. One of 316 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 5: the neat things about Habitat is that these are homes 317 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 5: that folks they do have to be eligible. They have 318 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 5: to earn below eighty percent are immediate income, but they 319 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 5: have to actually purchase this home from Habitat. It's not 320 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 5: a free house. They have to purchase it through a mortgage. 321 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 5: And then one of the unique things about Habitat is 322 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 5: they have to actually do some sweat equity hours, So 323 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 5: the families have to help build the home alongside those 324 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 5: minute Man tech students, alongside our other volunteers, and it 325 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 5: gives them great experience to really understand the inner workings 326 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 5: of their house by the time they purchase it from Habitat. 327 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: Okay, so I assume they have to either have a 328 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: net worth or annual income. Is it probably more an 329 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: annual income that you're deciding who is eligible. 330 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, so they have to we have to abide by 331 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 5: all the same things that a bank. They have to 332 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 5: have the right debt to income ratio, the right credit score, 333 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 5: but they have to earn between thirty to eighty percent 334 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 5: area meeting income. And the way habitat works is we private. 335 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: So there's a what you tell me, there's a four 336 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: in the ceiling. 337 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 5: Correct? Yeah, And all the people we see apply because 338 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 5: Massachusetts is such an expensive place to live. These are 339 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 5: families that are you know, hard working, two working parents. 340 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 5: They just may not qualify for a home and conquered 341 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 5: because it's so. 342 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 2: And these three homes give us an idea about how 343 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: large the plots are. Are they half acre or lesser? 344 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 6: Yes? 345 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 5: About? And each home is about sixteen to eighteen hundred 346 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 5: square feet. We have two three bedrooms and one four bedroom. 347 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 5: Each have two baths. 348 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 2: Say eighteen hundred is close to a half acre. Y yeah, 349 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: four thousand. Okay, this sounds great. So, folks who want 350 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: to apply Habitat for Humanity Lowe is that the. 351 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 5: Website loll yeah, lollhabitat dot org slash home ownership is 352 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 5: where they'll find all the information too. 353 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: Fine, and then realistically it's three homes you'll take. How 354 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: many families do you think we'll qualify? We talking about 355 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: twenty or thirty, or we talking about two hundred or 356 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: two thousand. What do you think? 357 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 5: That's a good question. We had no idea when we 358 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 5: opened up this application process. To give you an example 359 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 5: of the last home we built in Bedford, mass we 360 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 5: had probably sixty families that applied. Once we went through 361 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 5: their applications and looked at their income, I think there 362 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 5: were about eleven that we got to the lottery, but 363 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 5: that's only for a single house. 364 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 2: One out. Yeah, yeah, so that's okay. Hopefully there'll be 365 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: more and more homes than Habitat for Humanity, great organization. 366 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: I hate to do this to you, Shela. I love 367 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: to talk them with you. We don't script questions here 368 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 2: on Nightside, but that's all I do. I ask questions 369 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: that I hope people can identify with, and you instited 370 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: with them very well. And even the ones that you 371 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: said you didn't have an answer for, that's a good 372 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: answer because it's an honest and truthful answer. We'll have 373 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 2: you back again, I promise, and keep us posted as 374 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 2: so maybe we'll have one of the winners come on 375 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 2: with you or something. 376 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 5: Okay, thank you, thank you so much. 377 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: Thanks Jayla Sheyla Carlisle of Habitat for Humanity of Greater Lull. 378 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 2: When we come back, do you believe that maybe work 379 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: has hijacked your life? I can understand that. We're going 380 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: to talk with a licensed psychologist and author, doctor Guy Winch, 381 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 2: and he's gonna winch us out of those feelings. Back 382 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 2: on Nightside right after the news at the bottom of 383 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: the hour. 384 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with. 385 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: Boston's news radio broad Do most of us need our 386 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 2: next guest? Welcome back everyone. My name's Dan Ray, the 387 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 2: host of Nightside. I am joined now by doctor Guy Winch. 388 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: He's a licensed psychologist and author. He's written a new book, 389 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: mind Over. We're not talking about coffee here, folks. Mind Overgrind, 390 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 2: how to break free when work hijacks your life. I 391 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 2: can understand the problem, I don't understand the solution. Talk 392 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: to Winch. Welcome to Night's Side. I work from nine 393 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning on this show until midnight. Sometimes 394 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: they get a forty five minute break during the day, 395 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: but this is more than a full time job. Believe me, 396 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: it is more than a full time job. Welcome, how 397 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: are you, sir? 398 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 6: I am well, and I'm glad with' toking because apparently 399 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 6: you need it. 400 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 2: I definitely do what. I have my own ideas about 401 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: how to sort of spend a little bit of downtime 402 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: during the day. But I honestly, honestly, I talk to 403 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: my producer. I'm on the here four hours of night, 404 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 2: five nights a week. I'm a solo talk show host, 405 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: and so we have to come up with the topics 406 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: of the night the guests, and you're the guest that 407 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: I'm looking most forward to talk most forward to talking with. 408 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: So tell us how do we break free when work 409 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: hijacks our lives? 410 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 6: Well, some people have to understand how we get hijacked, 411 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 6: and one of those ways are that when we get 412 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 6: home from work. You apparently really do. But when we 413 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 6: get home from work, we start to replay all the 414 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 6: upsetting and distressing events of the day when we're home. 415 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: Or when I get home from when when I'm home 416 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: from work, now I'm broadcasting remotely. Okay, when I get 417 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: up in the morning, my day starts. It starts slowly, 418 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: picks up momentum, we do some promotions during the day 419 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: and then I'm on the air from eight to midnight. 420 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: At midnight, I go to sleep, so I don't think 421 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: about the bad stuff during the day because I get 422 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 2: rid of that. But go ahead, I just wanted to 423 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: explain I have sort of a unique set of circumstances, 424 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 2: but I got to I gotta listen and learn from you. 425 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: Go right ahead, I'm listening. Good. 426 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, your circumstances are unique for two reasons. Any 427 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 6: that you work in midnight and be that you're able 428 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 6: to go to sleep right afterwards, great for you. Most 429 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 6: people would struggle in that circumstance because, you know, our 430 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 6: mind needs to kind of process the events of the 431 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 6: day and the difficult ones, and we do it when 432 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 6: we get home, and we do it in unproductive ways, 433 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 6: and we're adding hours of unpaid overtime into our lives. 434 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 6: At home. We're checked out from you know, interacting with 435 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 6: our families or with our partners, whatever we're supposed to 436 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 6: be doing, and these thoughts about work just keep invading 437 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 6: our head. That's that's one way we get hijacked. Another 438 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 6: way we get hijacked is our relationships suffer. Like there's 439 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 6: research that shows that if you're stressed out at work, 440 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 6: your partner can start to develop symptoms of burnout, because 441 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 6: that's how quickly that infects, and it's contagious in the home. 442 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: How long have you been studying this phenomenon, because I 443 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: think you have identified a couple of major problems and 444 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: identified them. Well, how long has this been an area 445 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: of study? By the way, I should again describe to 446 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: you as a license psychologist and author. Is this your 447 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: first book? 448 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 6: By the way, this is my fourth book, fourth But 449 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 6: I started the book by talking about when I got 450 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 6: burnt out. And I got burnt out in year one 451 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 6: of my career because I was handling things so poorly. 452 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 6: I was ruminating about this stuff at home. I was 453 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 6: letting work take over. I really didn't have a life. 454 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 6: I was just devoting everything to it, and I wasn't 455 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 6: smart about taking breaks during the day and finding time 456 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 6: to do the things that recharge me. So I got 457 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 6: burnt out so quickly. So I've been like thinking about 458 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 6: these things for a few decades now. 459 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: Well, for me, getting to the gym, you know, four 460 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 2: or five times a week, even if it's for an hour, 461 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 2: that helps me. But it's it hangs over my head, 462 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: or you know, how can I make that show? What 463 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: I'm good at? Ending the show and moving on. I 464 00:24:52,560 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 2: don't celebrate successes. What do I cry over abject failures? 465 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: But because I feel like the game that I'm like 466 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: an athlete, I'm playing a game five days a week. 467 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 2: For me, it's I got to be up at eight. 468 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: I have to be ready to rock at eight pm 469 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 2: at night, no matter what's going on. When that light 470 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 2: goes on, I'm on. And so I'm high energy between 471 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: eight and midnight, or I try to be. But during 472 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 2: the day, I'm always thinking, Okay, do we have the 473 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 2: right guests? Have we picked the right topics? Is there 474 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: something we're missing? Now? Again, that is what the life 475 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 2: of a talk show host. But let's talk about more 476 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: people in my audience who might have nine to five jobs. 477 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 2: I'm more interested in their concerns. How can they physically 478 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: separate themselves from their work when they leave work, let's 479 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: say nine to five. Whether they're a doctor like you, 480 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 2: a lawyer, I'm also a lawyer, a professional athlete, a 481 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: ballet dancer, a carpenter, a farmer. How can you do that? 482 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 6: So, first of all, we have to understand that if 483 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 6: your job is demanding, it's pressured, it's intense, then your job, 484 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 6: your actual purpose in the off hours is to destress, 485 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 6: is to take your body out of the fight or 486 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 6: flight response that is probably in for most of the day. 487 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 6: And fight or flight doesn't mean you're about to enter 488 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 6: an altercation. It just means that you're switched on, that 489 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 6: you're amped up, that you're anticipating different issues or problems 490 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 6: or demands that might come along. It puts us into 491 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 6: fight or flight. So our body can't sustain that day 492 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 6: and night, day and night with that break, that's how 493 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 6: burnout happens. So you have to think of of the 494 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,239 Speaker 6: after hours as a time to get a break from that, 495 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 6: to come down from that. So one of the things 496 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 6: I recommend is create a ritual that transitions you from 497 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 6: work to your personal life, that trains your brain to anticipate. Okay, 498 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 6: now we're coming down from fight or flight. Now it's 499 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 6: about relaxation time, or personal time or family time or 500 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 6: romantic time, whatever it is. But we don't have to 501 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 6: be on alert. We don't have to be on the 502 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 6: crow's nest of the Titanic watching out for icebergs. You know, 503 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 6: and so you have to train your brain to come down. 504 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,479 Speaker 6: And the way you do that is you have a ritual, 505 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 6: you use music, you change clothes. Clothes are really important. 506 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 6: We associate clothes very much with what we do. You 507 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 6: work from home in the jeans and a T shirt. 508 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 6: Have jeans and T shirts you wear for work? Have 509 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 6: jeans and T shirts you don't, And you associate with 510 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 6: leisure time. Train your brain to be able to come 511 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 6: down so you're not switched on all the time. 512 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: That is really good advice. And we deal with a 513 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: lot of folks who have written books, and I gotta 514 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: tell you, I'm very I'm sometimes unimpressed, but I'm very 515 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 2: impressed that you have those specific ideas. Because people will 516 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: talk in generalities, those specifics are great. Let me ask 517 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: you this, is it good or bad when you communicate 518 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: with your spouse or your partner, however, whatever relationship you 519 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 2: have and you complain about work, is it better to 520 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 2: get have a sympathetic ear from someone who means something 521 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: to you or is it better and more respectful of 522 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: the relationship to when you get home leave it all 523 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 2: at work. 524 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 6: I think what's best is that you come home if 525 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 6: you had a difficult day, you say to your partner, 526 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 6: can I complain for fifteen minutes about my day or 527 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 6: work through a problem I have? See, complaining is not 528 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 6: that useful. I think what's more useful is to say 529 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 6: I had something really upsetting happen at work. Can I 530 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 6: talk it through with you and figure out what to 531 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 6: do about it? Because if you're just complaining, you're not 532 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 6: resolving anything. If you're using the other person, you know 533 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 6: as to really figure out what to do, that will 534 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 6: actually ease stress. But you say, let's do it for 535 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 6: fifteen minutes and then I'll be able to put it aside, 536 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 6: and then we can focus our evening on whatever the 537 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 6: evening's about. It doesn't have to be about something exciting, right, 538 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 6: it's about dinner, putting the kids to bed, watching TV, 539 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 6: whatever the thing would be. Let me just take fifteen minutes, 540 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 6: you know, like use you to kind of brainstorm and 541 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 6: figure it out. Have that purpose to figure things out, 542 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 6: because that will allow you to put it aside. If 543 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 6: you just complain about how terrible it is without figuring 544 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 6: it out, your mind will keep going back to it 545 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 6: all evening and you will not have a rest for 546 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 6: leaving at all. 547 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: You're really good. You're good, you answer my questions. You 548 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: know what I'd love to do is have you back 549 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: on my show at some point in the next couple 550 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 2: of weeks, and let's do an hour, and during this 551 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: hour we would take phone calls from listeners. Would you 552 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: be up for that? 553 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,239 Speaker 6: Oh? I love that, I'd love it. 554 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: Okay, Well again, you're a great guest, and I will 555 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 2: have my producer contact your folks. The book is Mind 556 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: over Grind. It's out already. I hope people can can 557 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: get a copy of the. 558 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 6: Book if you can get it everywhere wherever books are 559 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 6: sold an ebook, hotcover, audiobooks, Okay. 560 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: And Amazon. I assume as well. Mind Overgrind How to 561 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: Break Free when work hijacks your wife, Doctor Guy Winch. 562 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 2: Doctor Winch really enjoyed our conversation, and you answered my 563 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 2: questions a lot of times, the best and the brightest. 564 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: You'll ask you a question where you're looking for a 565 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 2: specific answer, and they'll give you what sounds like an answer, 566 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 2: but isn't. You're the opposite. You actually came up with 567 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: specific solutions. I really enjoyed our conversation, and we'll have 568 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 2: you back. Thank you very much. 569 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 6: Thank you for having me. 570 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: You're welcome. Well, we get back on to talk with 571 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: another doctor, doctor Harrison happ Farber, pulmonologist, director of the 572 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 2: Pulmonary Embolism Response Team and Tofts Medical Center, and we're 573 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: going to learn everything we need to learn about pulmonary embolisms. 574 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: That is what Catherine O'Hara died from earlier this month, 575 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: and it's something we should be aware of. That's what 576 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 2: that's what we will do right after the break here 577 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 2: at night Side. 578 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 579 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: Whatever someone at a young age passes away, particularly someone 580 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 2: who is a celebrity like Catherine O'Hara, the meet the actress. 581 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: Everyone's concerned and rightfully so, about the cause of her death. 582 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: She apparently died from a pulmonary embolism. She had been 583 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 2: dealing with cancer, but a pulmonary embolism is something that 584 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: we all should be aware of. I'm delighted to be 585 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: joined by doctor Harrison hap Farber. He's a pulmonologist and 586 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: director of the Pulmonary Embolism Response Team, a tough medical center. Welcome, 587 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 2: doctor Farber, how are you this evening. 588 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 4: I'm good, Thanks, thanks for having me on, So tell. 589 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: Me pulmonary embolisms. You know, I could probably look it up, 590 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: but I'm sure you could describe it more effectively from 591 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: me and my audience. I certainly have heard of it, 592 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: but the medical characterization is something that intrigues me. 593 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 4: So. In simple terms, a pomary amb was is when 594 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 4: a quod breaks off from somewhere else in your body, 595 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 4: most commonly from your legs, and travels all the way 596 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 4: up through your body into your lungs and lodges and 597 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 4: the blood vessels in your lungs. And depending how extensive 598 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 4: the clots are, I either clot burden or what your 599 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 4: underlying conditions are, or the size of your clots, you 600 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 4: can have nothing all the way to unfortunately dying from them. 601 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 2: Wow, a pulmonary embolism. Obviously, it is described as a clot. 602 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 4: Correct, it is a clot, Yes, it is. 603 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 2: What sort of dimension are we talking about here? It 604 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be huge? Correct? 605 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 4: No, it does not. Once again, the size The size 606 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 4: is actually less important, is important, but there are other 607 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 4: factors that enter into it. Depends how much of your 608 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 4: pulmonary circulation is compromised, the circulation in your lungs. It 609 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 4: depends on the status of your heart and your lungs 610 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 4: before all of this happens, and it depends on which 611 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 4: part of the blood vessels the class lodge. The bigger 612 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 4: they are, and the closer they lodge to where the 613 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 4: vessels take off, the more likely you are to have 614 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 4: a bad problem. If they're small and they go all 615 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 4: the way out to the periphery, that's better for you. 616 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 2: So if we were for the front of it to say, okay, 617 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: if everybody can can think of the size of a 618 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 2: grain of sand, we're not talking about a clot that small, correct. 619 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 4: Well, some of them will be that No, some of 620 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 4: them will be that small, but some of them will 621 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 4: be much larger. 622 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 2: Okay, So would the largest be something again, say the 623 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 2: size of a small marble. I mean, I'm just trying 624 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: to yeah. 625 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, you there. 626 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: Okay, So then how can we who I hope everyone's 627 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 2: doing their annual physical and maybe even a semi annual physical, 628 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 2: how can they be detected? Is it some form of 629 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 2: a cat skin or an MRI that that we could 630 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 2: subject ourselves to to make sure that or that that 631 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 2: they just spontaneously, you know, converge and there's no time 632 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 2: to Okay. 633 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 4: Well, so first off, Dan, there are things that put 634 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 4: you at risk to have a pulmonary ambulas. I mean, 635 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 4: we're not all walking around making pulmonary influence. 636 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: I feead. 637 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 4: So there are certain things that put you at risk. Okay. 638 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 4: So some of the things are in her case, from 639 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 4: what I understand, she had cancer of her rectum. So 640 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 4: people who have cancer have a much higher risk of 641 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 4: blood clots than people who don't. It's a pro coagulant 642 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 4: or state cancer that makes your blood clot. Okay, So 643 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 4: that's one. Two is the most common thing above. If 644 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 4: you want to call us normal people like you, don't. 645 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 2: It now, doctor, go ahead, you're. 646 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 4: Right, Okay, I'll take that back. Abnormal people like you 647 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 4: that have often show up after they've taken a long 648 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 4: plane flight or a long train ride or a long 649 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 4: car ride or something like that and didn't move around 650 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 4: or whatever, and you develop clots in your legs and 651 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 4: at some point those clots break off and travel to 652 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 4: your lungs. Okay. There are other systemic diseases that are 653 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 4: associated with a high risk of clots, but the biggest 654 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 4: is if you have underlying malignancy or cancer. Now, how 655 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 4: you would find them if you thought somebody has them. 656 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 4: Is there are scans. There's a specific form of a 657 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 4: CT or a cat scan called a CT pulmonary andigram 658 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 4: where they would die in a purple van and it 659 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 4: travels up and you look at it and you see 660 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 4: if there are spaces in the pulmonary vessels that look 661 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 4: like you've had a quad. 662 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 2: Okay, it's funny. I recently took a ride a plane 663 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 2: ride to New Zealand which was about, i'll know, at 664 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 2: eighteen hours, and I was cautioned by a good friend 665 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 2: of mine in the medical community, make sure you wear 666 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 2: compression socks, which I did. Yeah, I never felt, you know, 667 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 2: their comfort. I did not. Probably didn't have a chance 668 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,760 Speaker 2: really to pace around the airlines where you know, they 669 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 2: were lovely, but it wasn't they They weren't looking to 670 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 2: be pacing back and forth. And I survived that both 671 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 2: ways pretty easily. 672 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 4: So I'm feeling, well, yeah, there are one there. If 673 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 4: you're going to do a long trip like that, there 674 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 4: are ways to at least mitigate the chance. Compression stocks, 675 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 4: compression tights are one. Take a full those asp and 676 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 4: some people take load dose anti coagulants before they go 677 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 4: get up and move around. You can also, like when 678 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 4: you're sitting at you know, at your seed, do little 679 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 4: exercises of like pushing your toes against stuff like that 680 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 4: and in your legs or stuff like that. But nowadays, 681 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 4: in all honesty with what people know, on long flights 682 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 4: and stuff like that, you can pretty much prevent them. 683 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 4: Once again, most people who have clots, other than those 684 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 4: who pick it up from traveling or say you've had 685 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 4: trauma to your leg like surgery or something like that 686 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 4: and you're laying around trying to recover, you can get 687 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 4: clots from that. Okay, So like if you've had a 688 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 4: hip replacement or a knee replacement, or you broke your 689 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 4: leg or something like that. But most people, it just 690 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 4: doesn't happen out of the blue. In her case, in 691 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 4: her case, from what I know of what you know, 692 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 4: obviously I didn't take. 693 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 2: Care of her and public. 694 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 4: It's probably it's probably because of her cancer. 695 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, doctor, I really enjoyed uh chatting with you 696 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 2: about this because there are just so many ways when 697 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 2: someone has a poem and or embolism. Is that this 698 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 2: is a really dumb question, but I get paid no 699 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 2: ask young questions is it is? It? Is that a 700 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 2: relatively good way to go? If you're gonna go meaning 701 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 2: painless quick, you just don't be a good question. 702 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 4: Technically if you have a big enough one that you're gonna. 703 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,760 Speaker 2: Go, yeah, it's quick. 704 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 4: You pretty much you saying that's unbelievable if you if 705 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 4: you have a big one, a big pulman, I am was, 706 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 4: you're gonna go pretty quick. You may actually not even 707 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 4: know what hits you gotcha? 708 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, Okay, well again, not that he was 709 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 2: looking forward to it, but I mean, there's a lot 710 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,479 Speaker 2: of different ways to go. So you've never been asked 711 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 2: that question before? I suspect. 712 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 4: Actually to be honest, no, you know. 713 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 2: That's why I get I get paid to ask questions. 714 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 2: That's not a bad job. I learned a lot. Do 715 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 2: you have a listen to the show except when you're on. 716 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 4: I've heard it, yeah, good god, But I've never heard that. 717 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 4: I've never heard that question before. I'm going to keep 718 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 4: that one in. 719 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 2: Mind to be honest with you. When I have a 720 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 2: good guest who I feel will understand why why I'm 721 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 2: asking the question, I feel like kind of connected with 722 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 2: you here, to be honest with you, a lot. Some 723 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 2: of the guests who we have on, they're a little stiff. Okay, 724 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 2: you seem like I'm not, and I appreciate him not 725 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 2: you're not stiff. And well the nickname half I like that. 726 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, so, Dann, Look, I'll have it put into your contract, don't. 727 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 4: It's time to go. You have a big one and 728 00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,280 Speaker 4: you're done. 729 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,439 Speaker 2: If you can arrange that, I guess, you know, but 730 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,439 Speaker 2: can you wait to my nineties at least? Okay, thank 731 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 2: you so much, doctor doctor Harrison Farber UH. He's with 732 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 2: the director of the Pulinary Embolism Response Team at Tufts 733 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 2: Medical Center. Doctor Farber I enjoyed this conversation. Immensely tough topic, 734 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 2: had a lot of information. Thanks so much. 735 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,399 Speaker 4: All right, thank you very much. 736 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 2: I have a good night, you too, my friend. We 737 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 2: came back on and talk about the horrific loss of 738 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 2: life at the Massachusettstate Police Academy UH and the subsequent 739 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 2: indictments for involuntary manslaughter of for state police officers.