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Speaker 1: We are just awaiting the manager of the Minnesota Twins.

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Speaker 1: Busy morning for the baseball club and the manager despite

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Speaker 1: mister Morris's cell phone here in about a minute.

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Speaker 3: Officer Geys is an elite college football mind. Recently retired.

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Speaker 3: quite the early paradise retirement, by the way, congrats to

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Speaker 3: mister Geist Amen. And it was his birthday I think yesterday,

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Speaker 3: so happy birthday, Robbie birthday. But he watches a lot

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Speaker 3: of college football. Sent me a text as we await

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Speaker 3: the Skipper to join us. Ty Simpson has been labeled

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Speaker 3: with inconsistent erratic accuracy for particularly under pressure and during

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Speaker 3: the latter half of the twenty twenty five season. Watch

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Speaker 3: his highlights. Late in the year, he looked really good

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Speaker 3: at his pro day. Oh, goodie pro day. No pressure

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Speaker 3: in shorts will need to sit for minimum a year.

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Speaker 3: I think it's too much that Nordo has accused Orlovsky

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Speaker 2: He should be ashamed of himself.

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Speaker 3: Don't you guys ever learn that last far?

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Speaker 2: Oh that's brilliant. Don't you guys ever learn that Friday?

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Speaker 1: And because we're in Minnesota, and because everything translates back

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Speaker 1: six four six eighty six. Interesting fact, Ty Simpson is

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Speaker 3: Could everybody's all done with our guye JJ games?

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Speaker 2: Just forget about him. I'm gonna call miss Yeah.

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Speaker 3: we won the one that he started and went out

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Speaker 3: very cool. Here's Derek Shelton, manager of the Minnesota Twins,

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Speaker 3: Crab Cakes time, and the skipper joins us. Now, Derek,

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Speaker 3: it's Paul Allen. What's going on, man?

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Speaker 4: What's going on? Paul? How are you today?

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Speaker 3: Noon gets the opportunity to chat with you. Sadly, it's

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Speaker 3: I'm so with you on that, And I mean, there

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Speaker 2: You're awesome.

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Speaker 3: And I appreciate the time, what with your twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: My man, thank you for the time. Do you have

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Speaker 4: That made my day. Usually I'm the one taking the shot.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Sir Derek Shelton, manager of the Minnesota Trends, ooh ooh,

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Speaker 2: That was sweet.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of ball guys, not ball guys, ball guys as

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Speaker 2: Well, sorry about your friend Bucky. Did he bounce out

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Speaker 5: Okay, I haven't texted him since the loss.

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Speaker 2: Nice friend. I mean, no, it's fine. You know it's fine.

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Speaker 5: I mean he made the round of thirty two. I'm

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Speaker 3: Is he is he concerned the blue Well? Would you

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Speaker 5: You know they were showing him last night watching his

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Speaker 5: I've loved watching these games making very fun. The Iowa

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Speaker 3: Noted sports mind and Vikings beat writer for the Athletic

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Speaker 3: sure if I asked you this before, but I mean,

436
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Speaker 3: you do care about college sport, certainly more than Nordo

437
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 3: and I do. So, like, how do you feel about

438
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,239
Speaker 3: college players jumping from school to school to school? How

439
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 3: do you feel about that being like being kind of

440
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,719
Speaker 3: a blue blood college sports fan, you know, coming from Alabama?

441
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is.

442
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Speaker 5: I would say I look at it two ways, one

443
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 5: from just like the fans standpoint, I do miss where

444
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 5: you see a guy in a uniform in a place

445
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 5: that the fans get to watch develop and grow and flourish.

446
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 2: Like I do miss that part.

447
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 5: But I also the other way I look at it

448
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 5: is like you just don't fight, Like the nature of

449
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 5: what college sports has become and it's just a professional

450
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 5: sports wild West entity that is crazy. I was talking to.

451
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Speaker 2: You're gonna make a joke or something.

452
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Speaker 5: I was talking to a former Arizona Cardinals staffer who's

453
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Speaker 5: in college.

454
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Speaker 2: Now at a like, how is Steve Kahn?

455
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 5: I should reach out to Steve khn But like, this

456
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 5: guy was telling me about a receiver that he had

457
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 5: who got paid four hundred thousand dollars to go to

458
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Speaker 5: Virginian And I'm like, if Virginia is paying four hundred thousand, wow,

459
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 5: then like what.

460
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 2: Is it you're paying Dayne Wade. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.

461
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Speaker 5: But no, I'd say, like the college sports thing is

462
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Speaker 5: doesn't bug you? No, I mean it's it's annoying a

463
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 5: little bit, But I still I love the game, so

464
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna.

465
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Speaker 2: Watch the games regardless. So how old are you? Twenty six,

466
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Speaker 2: twenty eight?

467
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 3: Okay twenty eight, So say you were twelve thirteen fourteen

468
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 3: year old basketball playing Alex Lewis Birmingham, Alabama. Sure, and

469
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Speaker 3: I credited this guy he plays for Purdue early in

470
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Speaker 3: the radio show.

471
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Speaker 2: And now I forgot his name. He has three names. Uh,

472
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Speaker 2: the Kaufman Wren. Yeah, yeah, him Trey, I think, yeah,

473
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Speaker 2: Kaufman Wren.

474
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Speaker 3: All right, I get coming to collap for my man, because,

475
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 3: like you know, just just put yourself in that age group,

476
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Speaker 3: middle school basketball player. If you're Larry from Lafayette and

477
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Speaker 3: you have a Kaufman Wren jersey when he was a freshman,

478
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: he's your favorite player. He had a massive year last year.

479
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 3: But when you have a big year and produced big time,

480
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: I get that, but it's I don't think it'd be

481
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Speaker 3: necessarily noteworthy as a blue blood duke North Carolina, UCLA,

482
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: Kentucky schools like that. Well, I mean, you have a

483
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Speaker 3: big year, then it Larry from Lafayette, who's like fourteen, Well,

484
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 3: it's a little bit of a sweat whether my guy's

485
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Speaker 3: gonna come back.

486
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Speaker 2: But he came back for his fourth year. He was

487
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Speaker 2: awesome yesterday.

488
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Speaker 5: I do think too, like the one you talked to

489
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Speaker 5: even Viking staffer people about this, Like, I do think

490
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Speaker 5: it affects the.

491
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Speaker 2: Development of guys.

492
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Speaker 5: When you're not in the same system, you're not the

493
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Speaker 5: relationships are less deep, so you can't coach guys as hard.

494
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Speaker 2: You can't take coaching as hard. Like I was listening yesterday.

495
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Speaker 5: To liber or wednesday to liber when he was on here,

496
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Speaker 5: And I do think like this, in this era of

497
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Speaker 5: where things are, you have lost a little bit of

498
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Speaker 5: like the really hard coaching, which sometimes I think can

499
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Speaker 5: be performative, but other times I do think that is

500
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Speaker 5: like how you grow as a human being.

501
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Speaker 3: So Brown to freeze the Maryland Women's coach, she wasn't

502
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Speaker 3: in that lady's her best player's face doing what she

503
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 3: did that blew up on social media. From a performative standpoint,

504
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Speaker 3: I mean that you know it was respectful, I would assume,

505
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Speaker 3: because nothing's come out after. But that wasn't performative, Like

506
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 3: things is those saying and Hurley and stuff. I mean,

507
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Speaker 3: I think they're preaching the truth.

508
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, And again like I think each situation is its own,

509
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 5: So all yelling in players' faces I don't view as

510
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 5: always productive, but I do think there are times like

511
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,239
Speaker 5: I think about even and no one cares about my

512
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 5: youth baseball. But like there were times where there were

513
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 5: really tough, really hard conversations where I'm getting screamed at

514
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Speaker 5: at lewis you throw like you've got a broken arm

515
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 5: when you were a kid in Birmingham of.

516
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Speaker 2: Course, thirteen years old.

517
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Speaker 5: Ronnie Bains, who's an NFL referee, actually crazy. His son

518
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 5: Allen is as well. On Nordo's laughing. Probably you know referees. Yeah,

519
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 5: Alan Bins, he's an NFL refe.

520
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of things we can do with that

521
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: sneakyte Kevin Siefertsman asked, no, I'm kidding, has it but

522
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Speaker 3: I have a bit with and I still yeah, I've

523
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: done it for years where the like somebody from the

524
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Speaker 3: Vikings will walk from what would be the northwest side

525
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Speaker 3: of us Bank Stadium below like the Purple Club, so

526
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Speaker 3: dead opposite where you are in the press box, to

527
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,239
Speaker 3: that corner. Well they walk out of that tunnel, then

528
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: they walk below the goalpost and they're heading to the

529
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Speaker 3: Vikings locker room area to have that sneaky pregame chat

530
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Speaker 3: with the head coach where that's where you're like, you know,

531
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Speaker 3: the coach is going to say we're going to do

532
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Speaker 3: this and the offensive.

533
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Speaker 2: Lineman's going to do this. I just want to.

534
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Speaker 3: Make sure you see it this way so you don't

535
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: think it's like this, that or the other. Well, like

536
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: if I'm on the sideline, I've gotten to know some

537
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 3: of these white Caps, the referees, uh, the the ancillarya

538
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: the umpires, inside judges and back judges. Like I've seen

539
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: them before, they've seen me, but I don't know their names.

540
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: So a bit that I run with them all the time,

541
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Speaker 3: and it and it. It used to freak Scott Novak, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no,

542
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: the uh is that a ref.

543
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: It's a raft. I can't remember his last name.

544
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 3: Uh. First time it freaked him out, and I thought

545
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: the bit was dead, but then he smiled and he

546
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 3: added to it. But they'll walk by and I'll go guys,

547
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: did you watch the Blazers game last night? I mean, seriously,

548
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: can you get with Ken Maher and fix that three

549
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: in the key? Or guys, did you see Vassilevsky get

550
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 3: pushed in the crease last night?

551
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Speaker 2: This is getting out of hand.

552
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: Well now they're adding to it, you know, the ones

553
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: who have heard it before.

554
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: It's a sweet little bit. Did you see Scott Foster and.

555
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, that's no, that's good, guys. I was

556
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 3: just talking to Bernie Kookar and he ripped the umpire?

557
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 3: Where is that guy? That's truely good. But it's never

558
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 3: the same guys every time. Well, no, it's it's what

559
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 3: whomever is doing the home game. But it's never football involved,

560
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 3: you know, because that's like that would.

561
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: Be quiet, right, right, guys? You watch Purdue and.

562
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: Iowa yesterday and holy cow did they miss fifteen?

563
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: Hold sterritor?

564
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: Is it? Yeah? Yeah, guys, where's Tony Garenti? I mean,

565
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: can he be? Can he be this?

566
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 4: No?

567
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: It's always another sport like during the World Series and

568
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 3: Angel Hernandez.

569
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: And he was awful. Yeah.

570
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 5: She used to watch those games and were like, what

571
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 5: are we doing here? The ref thing is it's funny,

572
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 5: it's a good band. It's that that's exceptional. I I

573
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 5: the ref thing has never been something I complain about

574
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 5: or like, I always laugh when fans are complaining about it.

575
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: But I did watch the Wolves game the other night.

576
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, I mean, what are we even doing here?

577
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: But you know what, so all right, just let me

578
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: land the plane.

579
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: Sure on college basketball, definitely want to land it and

580
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: and we that's an awesome response for something I say

581
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 3: too frequently.

582
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: It'll probably go away in three weeks. But you're right.

583
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: If you don't land the plane, that means the topic

584
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 3: crashes what.

585
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: Or you could just keep flying? Keep flying? Okay?

586
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 3: Three two, Because there is some football stuff we want

587
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: to get into, and I don't want to forget what

588
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: you just said about officiating. How about but as college

589
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: sports goes, how about those Big Ten teams?

590
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: Crazy?

591
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: I mean Michigan State and Wisconsin both advancing in college

592
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: Hockey's Frozen Four tournaments.

593
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: You know there are more to play today, but.

594
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 5: I think North Dakota one and Quinnipiac, and I mean

595
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 5: obviously you know I've been all they.

596
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 2: Let Sandling into the tournament. Yeah, luck with everybody. You've

597
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: been a big Quinnipiac guy for years.

598
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 5: I didn't Quinnipiac beat the Gophers and the championship. That

599
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 5: was an agonizing defeat. Ten seconds. I was that was

600
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 5: like my first year here. I remember being at a

601
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 5: bar watching that game.

602
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. There was probably about the third sharing cigars. Yeah,

603
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: absolutely correct.

604
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 5: Anyway, but the Big Ten basketball stuff has been really

605
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 5: I think Illinois I Will should be spectacular.

606
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: Right, Illinois is good.

607
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: I mean again, I mean they're saying this eight thousand

608
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: times this time of the year, but there's so much

609
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: new for me.

610
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: Like this Darius A. Cuff junior. Okay, I had heard

611
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: of him.

612
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: A couple of times, maybe saw an athletic or ESPN

613
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: like headline.

614
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: But then I started watching him this NCAA tournament.

615
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: Then I look it up. I'm like, Damn, he's a freshman.

616
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: Damn he's nineteen. Holy cow, is he good?

617
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 5: What about like, Illinois has this dude Keaton Waggler.

618
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: Yes, and he's going.

619
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Speaker 5: To be a top ten pick I guess, but he was.

620
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 5: He's a six to six point guard, yes, who was

621
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 5: a no recruit out of Kansas City that they somehow uncovered.

622
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 5: And now I mean he put forty six on Purdue.

623
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 5: He's gonna be going up against Bennett's sturts. This dude

624
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 5: who has transferred up with Ben McComb. Like it's I'm

625
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 5: with you where I don't follow it throughout the year.

626
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: It's a guy's name something Waggler and Waggler couldn't pick.

627
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: Came out of a three person lineup standing next to

628
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: Marcus Liberty and Kendall Gill.

629
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Speaker 5: I'm telling you, this guy is highly impressive as a player,

630
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 5: but that game, I think the Ben McCollum do it

631
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 5: at Iowa is one of the best coaches in sports

632
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 5: right now.

633
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: Well, he's kind of run the basketball version of Signetti

634
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: at Indiana, right like he was. He was hardcore either

635
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: D two or some obscure school. And I think he

636
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: brought a couple of his kids with him, and maybe

637
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: Starts is one of them, right.

638
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he would he Starts came with him from

639
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 5: Northwest Missouri Drake to Iowa, and it's it's great. The

640
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 5: University of Missouri, which has a terrible basketball program, they

641
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 5: they probably watched this guy win six national championships from

642
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 5: an hour and a half down the road and was

643
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 5: weren't interested at all. So that was brilliant, brilliant by

644
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 5: the University of Missouri athletic department.

645
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: Okay, we deserve a lot of credit for the Starts.

646
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: I mean, how did he started D two in the

647
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: first place? Seriously with that shot?

648
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 5: But I think that that's development, and I like you

649
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 5: know this about me. I love coaches in all sports

650
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 5: that care so much much about player development because you

651
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 5: get I think that's often.

652
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: Unless they lose in the round of thirty two, like

653
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: your best friend Bucky and you don't text him.

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Speaker 2: It's tough.

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Speaker 5: But like I do think that part of it gets

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Speaker 5: lost is that these guys are eighteen years old and

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Speaker 5: if you and and if you get around really good

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Speaker 5: strength conditioning people, really good coaches who know skill development,

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Speaker 5: guys can improve and it's pretty fun.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this dude been at starts. He's going to

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Speaker 2: be a first round pick too, from you think so,

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Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah, he's awfully small.

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Speaker 5: No, he's thin, but he's like six three six four,

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Speaker 5: So I mean that's good enough for the league, isn't

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Speaker 5: it should be? He's no conk nipple, let's put it

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Speaker 5: that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know, but was Rob Dillingham small?

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Speaker 2: I can't remember.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that was a bad pick by our squad phenomenal,

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Speaker 3: So it's not yes. And if you're going to make

671
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Speaker 3: a bad pick like that, then fix the bad pick

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Speaker 3: and rip off the balls and bring an Ayo Jisumo

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Speaker 3: and they've.

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Speaker 2: Done a great job.

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Speaker 5: And that's and you're not going to be That's the

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Speaker 5: thing about any draft specific of the NFL, as well,

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Speaker 5: you're playing a probability game.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why they have the NFL Draft if

679
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Speaker 3: it's just a coins flip me every single pick. It's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: all right, guys, listen, I don't know, it's a lot

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Speaker 3: of money. Let's take Bernando Mendoza. Okay, it came up tails.

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Speaker 2: Well it is it?

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Speaker 5: Like you've probably seen the Mendoza Ty Simpson stuff.

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Speaker 2: But like the we're bringing it up next segment, people.

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Speaker 5: Talk so confidently about this stuff, like, oh, this guy's good,

686
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Speaker 5: Like even Bernada Mendoza, Oh he's a mack. He led

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Speaker 5: them to that, Like this guy has never played in

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Speaker 5: a rhythm and timing based offense, So is it gonna work?

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Speaker 5: Like maybe, but it also might not.

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Speaker 3: That NFL officiating and truly the potential of replacements and

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Speaker 3: much more with Alex Lewis at ALEC underscore Lewis via

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Speaker 2: Nine to noon?

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Speaker 4: Viking?

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Speaker 3: So you you said that you don't really think about,

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Speaker 3: you know, refereeing or officiating or get all wound up

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Speaker 3: on it or whatever, and I generally don't either, But

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Speaker 3: like when when when the story started to.

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Speaker 2: Get a little loud?

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Speaker 3: And the owners meetings for the NFL our next week

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Speaker 3: in Phoenix. Alec will be there and there will be

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Speaker 3: a lot of social media slash stories from the owners

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Speaker 3: meeting with conversations uh perhaps with the head coach, the

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Speaker 3: acting general manager, maybe the team president and things that

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Speaker 3: transpire down there with with rules changes. But how I'll

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Speaker 3: just start it here. How hot do you truly believe

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Speaker 3: the negotiating between the NFL and the NFL's Referee Association,

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Speaker 3: Like like, how big is that gap? How serious is this? If?

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Speaker 3: Is it a threat where the NFL is like, well,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna hire one hundred and fifty replacements

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Speaker 3: just in case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I.

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Speaker 5: Think it's serious enough for the for everything to be public. Like,

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Speaker 5: I think it's pretty serious. I also think there's a

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Speaker 5: lot of les. I mean, it's March. The games don't

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Speaker 5: start until September, so there's four or five months of

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Speaker 5: leverage at play here.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of how it feels to me.

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Speaker 5: But I would expect the other thing, and you know this,

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Speaker 5: like these owners meetings. There's one obviously next week in Arizona.

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Speaker 5: There's another one in May. I think those will go

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Speaker 5: along ways, you would hope towards bridging that gap. But

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Speaker 5: the integrity of the game is of the utmost importance.

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Speaker 5: And in an era now where there is a gambling

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Speaker 5: ad on every freaking you know, in between commercial segment

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Speaker 5: that I'm watching, whether it's trade markets, whether it I mean,

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Speaker 5: it is unbelievable how much you see like that's changed

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Speaker 5: in recent Like I was watching a podcast last night

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Speaker 5: presented by bet MGM, and you just like, don't even

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Speaker 5: think about it. But I think ensuring the integrity of

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Speaker 5: the game is gonna be is critical for the league.

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Speaker 5: And if you are waiting into the idea of rest

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Speaker 5: that that aren't you know, we're familiar with them.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, it's a slippery slope. So well the slip.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you went down the potential nefarious route. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So that's an outlier, but it needs to be. Part

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Speaker 3: of the conversation is if there are replacement officials and

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Speaker 3: they're vetted out for sure, right, but really, are you

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Speaker 3: going to hit ten of ten on one hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty and like, you know, my guy's got this guy

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Speaker 3: in Aniston, Alabama, and then this and that and is

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Speaker 3: it a long shot longest of long shots?

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: I don't look at sports that way until I guess

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Speaker 3: like Chauncey Bhillips hits me upside the head with the

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Speaker 3: two by four. So so I don't like to go

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Speaker 3: down that road. But see here here, here's the thing

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Speaker 3: that gets me is I think officiating with the ancillary,

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Speaker 3: not the white cap, not the ref okay, but the umpires,

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Speaker 3: side judges, back judges, all that. Personally speaking, I think

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Speaker 3: it's the worst in the quarters entry that I've been

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Speaker 3: calling games. And it's when you look deeper into it,

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Speaker 3: you have people getting hired who are skipping levels.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and that bugs me. It's not it's and it

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Speaker 2: doesn't have.

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Speaker 3: To be like, hey, guys, Bernie Kuchar had to work

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Speaker 3: in the Mayak for fifteen years, then the Big Ten

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Speaker 3: for eighteen years and and then audition in XFL games

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Speaker 3: or whatever. It doesn't have to be that either. But

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Speaker 3: it's you have officials that are not putting in the

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Speaker 3: time at the lower levels and being and they're being

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Speaker 3: elevated way too quickly, and too many mistakes are happening.

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Speaker 5: I will say this though, like last year in training.

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Speaker 2: Camp, what's what's his? Brad Cox? Is that bred Allen?

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Speaker 2: Brad Allen? Excuse me?

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Speaker 5: He he came to training camp and his whole crew

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Speaker 5: did and sat with the media for a little bit

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Speaker 5: and we talked to him and hotly, and I was

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Speaker 5: like highly impressed, just how sharp, how serious.

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Speaker 2: The discipline of it.

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Speaker 5: And so I mean what you said about, like, you know,

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Speaker 5: how refing is compared to how you your time.

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Speaker 2: Being in the league.

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Speaker 5: I obviously have nowhere near the amount of experience, so

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Speaker 5: I can't really evaluate that.

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Speaker 2: But I'm riding a.

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Speaker 3: Vibe too, man, I don't really have any like, hey,

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Speaker 3: I've seen that same play eighty times, yeah, and sixty

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Speaker 3: two it went that way, and now what's going the

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Speaker 3: wrong way?

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Speaker 2: It's not that and I think too.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's part of me is like it's a

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Speaker 5: really hard job, and part of me going down that

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Speaker 5: earlier road is like it's hard enough for these guys

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Speaker 5: who are who are at this level. If you are too,

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Speaker 5: VET one hundred and fifty guys or and women of

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Speaker 5: a different level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's just again, that's disaster.

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Speaker 5: That's where there is leverage among the current referee, so

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Speaker 5: well they'll they'll go right down to that bitter end too.

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Speaker 1: I mean the combination of the leverage they have that

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Speaker 1: you speak of, combined with the urgency of that deadline.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is this could be a.

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Speaker 1: Conversation late July where normally the Brad Allens and these

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Speaker 1: reffing crews will be jumping to training camps and meeting

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Speaker 1: with teams. Now they're gonna be sitting at home on

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Speaker 1: the couch, and the ahead of that union just gonna

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Speaker 1: be like games are starting pretty quick.

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Speaker 4: Boys.

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Speaker 2: How about that Hall of Fame game where we had

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Speaker 2: a bunch of high school refs out there clopping around?

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Speaker 2: Did you like that? Because you're about to get a bunch.

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Speaker 3: More of it and I should know this, But like

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Speaker 3: the referees Association outside of money, like what are they

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Speaker 3: looking for?

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Speaker 5: It's a great question, and I probably should be more

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Speaker 5: more informed on that.

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Speaker 2: Year round work or something. I think it's it's probably

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Speaker 2: just more.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say I need to be more you know,

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Speaker 5: engaged with it, is what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I would say it just as someone who covers.

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Speaker 3: So you'll be engaged with it when all of a

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Speaker 3: sudden games are taking four hours because there are five

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Speaker 3: calls during the game where they have to go to

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Speaker 3: secaucus or whatever the al mcinally replay center whatever they

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Speaker 3: call it, you know, because now, hey, if this happens,

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Speaker 3: there are gonna be plays where we're going to stop

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Speaker 3: the game or we're gonna go to the eye in

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Speaker 3: the sky, who's wherever they are My biggest thing.

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Speaker 2: It's just like you just want consistency.

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Speaker 5: And I also, I mean, and this is like me

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Speaker 5: feeling like I'm my father in evaluating things from viewing

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Speaker 5: it on TV. But like the stoppages and the flow

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Speaker 5: of the game, you want to have the continuity. But

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Speaker 5: I think again, where I start the conversation for me

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Speaker 5: is what I feel like is most important of the

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Speaker 5: integrity of it.

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Speaker 2: Like in this era of where we're at, people are.

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Speaker 5: Especially with as you know, as as prevalent gambling is

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Speaker 5: like you just need people to have the trust in

844
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Speaker 5: the games being officiated the right way.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I'm at with I just think,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna have from both sides of it.

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Speaker 1: The frustrating angle of this is both sides will say

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Speaker 1: they want the integrity of the game, but they're looking

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Speaker 1: at it so differently. So from the league side they

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Speaker 1: want that consistency. On the ref side, they're saying, all

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Speaker 1: you do is add fifty pages to our rule book

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Speaker 1: every single year, you add emphasis at some of these meetings,

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Speaker 1: or hey, you know, for the first four weeks of

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Speaker 1: a season, you've seen more offensive pass interference is called

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Speaker 1: than you had in the previous twenty seasons. But then

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Speaker 1: it goes away like you have both sides kind of

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Speaker 1: and I don't know how you find a very good

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Speaker 1: solution to that, because both there's a self protection element

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Speaker 1: of it, where the refs have the integrity in the

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Speaker 1: league say we're laying out everything so clearly for you, well,

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Speaker 1: we want more money to do this we want more resources.

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Speaker 2: Man, I just think that whole thing's ugly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I will say this, I do know Kevin Siefer,

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Speaker 5: who covers the Vikings for ESPN, has done a lot

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Speaker 5: of work on it, as has covered that space for

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Speaker 5: a long time, So I would defer a lot to

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Speaker 5: that reporting.

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Speaker 3: Frankly, Alex lewis The Athletic and the Athletic dot Com.

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Speaker 3: A centerpiece story at the Athletic involves Vikings edge rusher

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Grenard. We will get into that and more with

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Speaker 3: Alec when we returned to KFA