WEBVTT - 12-3-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.800 Do you want to be an American? It's a Scott's Loan 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.480 show on seven hundred WLW. The biggest problem with the 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:09.799 Affordable Care at probably's the number of problems, but the 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:14.320 biggest one is it's subsidized healthcare costs that are unrealistically expensive. 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:14.880 That's the problem. 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:17.799 So instead of fixing prices, it gives people money to 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:21.599 make it less expensive for them personally. But as we know, 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:24.639 whether it's college or this subsidy just drives the cost 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:26.680 up even more. And it's an endless cycle. It's in 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:30.360 an endless loop. But the GOP has recently come on 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:32.519 with a plan to fix the problem, but does it 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.920 actually fix the problem. Dean Clancy's here is a senior 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:38.440 health policy fellow at Americans Prosperity. 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:39.440 Dean, how are you? 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:41.479 I'm doing great? Thanks? 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.040 Yeah, So I look at this. So I gave this 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.000 analogy not long ago. Hear me out. This may take 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:49.920 just a second, so you know, it's hard to follow 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.400 what's going on here for most folks, myself included. But 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.800 the ACA subsidies are like giving someone a discount coupon 0:00:55.880 --> 0:01:00.200 at a nice restaurant. The proposal Republicans want is like 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.680 the HSA, So that's your health savings account. You get 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.880 the moneyset of insurance companies. You hand them cash, tell 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:06.840 them to figure out dinner on their own. So the 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.320 coupon guarantees you can eat at the restaurant, which is 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.880 basically like comprehensive insurance. Even if the menu prices keep rising, 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.919 the insurance company in the risk pool keep the restaurant running. 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.640 So the cash gives you freedom to choose. Maybe you 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:20.959 buy groceries, maybe you cook at home. Maybe you spourge 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:22.600 on a nice meal, which would be like an elective 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.080 procedure versus routine care. But if you need, i don't know, 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.640 buy an expensive five course meal at Boca because you 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:30.559 lost a bet on the Bengals or something like that 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.039 and you can't afford it. That'd be cancer treatment or 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.360 major surgery. That cash runs out pretty fast. So neither 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.559 approach really fixes the problem when the restaurant is charging 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:41.440 one hundred dollars for a hamburger in the first place. 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:42.679 Am I wrong about that? 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.959 Well, your analogy is excellent, but I would just say 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:52.720 that the HSA idea and President Trump was brilliant about this. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.160 He's basically flipped the politics of health reform on its head, 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:01.040 called the Democrats bluff. What he said was I want 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.800 money to go to your agasay so you can buy 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.120 the healthcare that you want. But he was not suggesting 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.360 that we take away people's health insurance or even that 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:14.519 we repeal Obamacare. Those would still exist. Obamacare would still 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:18.280 be very generous in terms of the subsidy, although as 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.520 you point out, it's very expensive as well. But now 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.120 people would have more resources that they could use for 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.800 the doctors and health care they want without having an 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:32.639 insurance company middleman. Obamacare gives lots of money directly from 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.840 the US Treasury to health insurance companies, often for people 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.320 who never visit the doctor, they never get a prescription filled. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.919 The money just goes straight to the bottom line of 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.239 the health insurance companies. And Trump is saying, the Democrats, 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.480 why would we keep doing that when we could give 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.680 people that same money and it would lead to lower 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:54.880 prices because people would shop for value. 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.480 They would, but I don't know how much you drop prices. 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.639 And the fact that you know, again most people, as 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.519 you know, you look at consumer confidence, consumer pricing nexs, 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.760 things like that while the economy on paper is doing well, 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.720 you see a lot of people getting squeezed, especially gen zers, 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.880 younger people in the workforce, seniors and the like. In 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.000 the end result is you save a little bit of 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.480 money and you know, you get government money and you 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.480 put your own money into the HSA, but it's still 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.720 not going to be enough to care to cover stuff 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.240 in most cases. That's really the problem is that healthcare 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.320 costs is expensive because there's no incentive for them to 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:28.079 get the cost down. 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:34.320 Well, no, yes, and no, because first of all, most 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.160 people don't have more than one thousand dollars of out 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.240 of pocket medical expenses in a given year. Obviously, there 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.600 are people who have very high expenses. That's why they 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.440 have insurance, and they need insurance, and programs like Obamacare 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.960 are there to help make that affordable. But we can 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.080 do it in an efficient way. And of course, any 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.040 money in your ahsay that you don't spend, you get 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.560 to keep and you even get to invest it if 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.720 you want, so you can grow it into a NESTA, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.080 you can earn interest on it like a bank account, 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.000 or you could put it into you know, mutual funds 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.680 or whatever, just like a retirement savings account, and you 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:13.040 can build it up and if if all goes well, 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:16.760 by the time you're further along in life, you're going 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.560 to have a real cushion there for any major shock. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.040 And of course, an important thing about HSA is they 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:27.480 let you buy doctors, access, and healthcare that your insurance 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.039 company doesn't cover. One of the problems with Obamacare is 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:35.320 that it has shrunk access to the best doctors and hospitals, 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:40.599 and it has also increased tenfold the number of times 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.480 that an insurance company will simply deny the claim say 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.279 we're not going to pay for that care. It's now 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.200 twenty percent of the time the insurer refuses to pay 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:53.000 for your health care. Under Obamacare, the HSA gives people 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.680 an escape route so they can actually get access. 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:57.880 Part of the problem is, you know, one of the 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.640 big problems of many with ACAS the fact that it 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.159 counted on young people to put money into the healthcare 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.120 system and not use it. Much like the Social Security 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.159 or subsidy model in that regard to entitlements and the like, 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:11.880 is that well, we're hoping you don't use it, and 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:13.839 it's there for the people who do need it. Young 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.040 people are looking at this going well, healthcare costs keep rising. 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.320 I mean, employer sponsored insurance presums went up, I think 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.279 the highest level in fifteen years this year. Medicaid Part 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.480 B jumped almost ten percent this year. And these aren't 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.840 ACA enrollees. We need people to put money into the 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.600 system to keep it afloat. That's not happening under ACA. 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:33.480 How does that address this? 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:39.679 Well, what the ACA Obamacare did was it basically drove 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.880 up the cost of health insurance for young people. It 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.000 did that by imposing a kind of price control on 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.600 the insurance, so you can't charge the oldest person in 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.119 the covered group more than three times what you charge 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.400 the youngest person. So that's a gift to older folks 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.720 who have higher health expenses, but it's a cost to 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.680 younger people and that has made them say, you know what, 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.520 this isn't worth the money. I mean, these Obamacare plans 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.240 are very expensive. If you don't get a subsidy, and 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.359 they have a deductible that's the part you have to 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.880 pay out a pocket before the insurance even kicks in. 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.920 It can be five ten thousand dollars a year. At 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.080 that point you begin to ask yourself is this really 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.159 even insurance? And that's why young people are staying away, 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.280 and that's why the Bombacare program is in what the 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:33.400 insurance folks call a death spiral. It's basically slowly winding down. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.920 The only thing that's covered that up is these massive 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:40.000 extra subsidies that the government has been putting in since 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:40.680 the pandemic. 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.880 Well, that's the thing is, aren't we just swapping one 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.440 subsidy for another rather controlling provider pricing and drug costs, 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:51.760 administrative waste. We're still not addressing that issue. That's the core. 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.279 That's back to that one hundred dollars hamburger analogy. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.719 Right, Why does the hamburger cost one hundred dollars, Well, 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.760 we've got a a set of government mandates and rules 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.960 that have distorted the whole system and most importantly, separated 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.120 people from the price. Nobody asked the price of healthcare 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.200 because they're not the ones paying for it. Some third 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.119 party like an insurance company or their employer is paying 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.640 for it. And so as a result, they tend to 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.920 know that one hundred dollars hamburger It doesn't matter because 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.679 they're not paying one hundred dollars and that needs to change. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.560 And if we put people in charge of the dollars, 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.680 as with a tax free health savings account. Now they're 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.000 going to start shopping for value because they know they 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.080 get to keep what they don't spend. They're going to 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.120 ask the question how much will this cost. That will 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.320 make prices transparent, just like at the grocery store or 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.800 the gas station, and that will force competition and that 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.120 will bring down prices. And then your health insurance, assuming 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.920 you deregulate the insurance, get rid of the worst mandates, 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.320 the price of insurance will come down, more young people 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.000 will buy in, and the risk pool will become healthy. Again, 0:07:58.080 --> 0:07:59.800 that's the way insurance is supposed to work. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.880 It is in theory. But again you're still talking about subsidy. 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.680 And I guess maybe a parallel here Dean Clancy with 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.960 Americans for Prosperity is that President Trump issued an executive 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.920 order on price transparency that was like what six years 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:15.360 ago on his first term. Hospitals, Yeah, they're posting prices now, 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.400 but we haven't seen meaningful cost reduction. So the idea 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.520 there was, hey, we're going to have chrice price transparency 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:22.640 and help people. It's going to help lower cost and 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.360 it really hasn't. And well if I look at that 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.480 and go, well, that's an indicator the system is too 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:29.520 big to shrink. 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.240 Is this really going to move the needle that much? 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.960 Well, I think I want to challenge that just a 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.640 little bit. He did mandate that hospitals have to publish 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:43.599 their prices. Eighty five percent of hospitals are not complying. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:45.000 They're hiding the prices. 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.280 They make it difficult for you to find them, difficult 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:52.320 for you to compare across competing hospitals. And so as 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:56.319 a result, we really don't yet have that mandated price transparency. 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.679 But you know what, Americans for prosperity, we don't believe 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.680 in government mandates do this. We think you get price 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.080 transparency when you change who controls the dollars. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:06.480 When the patient controls the. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.920 Dollars, prices become transparent. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:09.640 Naturally. 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.680 That's what's missing, and that's what Donald Trump I think 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.760 has brilliantly put his finger on when he says, let's 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.440 fund patients instead of insurance companies. 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.240 I think that helps. I mean, I don't think that's 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.679 necessarily a bad thing. I just wonder if we're just 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.000 not trading one subsidy for another. And time will tell 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.760 if we can actually do this. You know, I always 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.200 pushed back it seems to you know, being a libertarian plan, 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.000 which I love, is to simply go listen, if you're 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.480 an employer, you're out of healthcare business. That's going to 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.240 save a ton of money. In the other area. When 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.320 it comes to waste, fraud, and abuse, and no, typically 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.280 when that's thrown about on the campaign trail by Republicans 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.920 and Democrats, but particularly Republicans, it's like, well, somebody scamming 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:48.000 the system. It's the biggest waste, right. There is an 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.760 administrative complexity that doesn't address this because you know, as 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.800 you said, the ACA is still going to be in effect, 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.400 and now we have the government with HSA accounts. It's 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.200 adding more administrative complexity to this thing. It doesn't that 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.360 doesn't address the issue of the bureaucratic state. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:08.000 Well, you're absolutely right that the healthcare system is incredibly bureaucratic. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.360 You know it because you walk into a doctor's office 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.120 and there's a lot of people behind the desk filing paper, 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.080 and often it is paper they haven't even entered the 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:17.040 twenty first century. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.480 I got one doctor, I got one doctor and one 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.400 nurse and five people back there that are handled coding 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.160 and insurance and Medicare. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:25.600 That's exactly right. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.600 And that's the result of the fact that because of 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.840 government policies, everybody relies on insurance, even for the small 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.800 things that are technically not the sort of thing you 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.440 insure for, like a routine doctor's appointment, you know, a 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.679 shoppable or schedulable thing. It's not an emergency. Insurance should 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.760 be for emergencies, big unexpected costs. But because we don't 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:51.000 do healthcare that way, you're right, it's just bloated with bureaucracy. 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.800 The number of administrative personnel and healthcare has exploded over 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:58.719 the last few decades, and we can change that by 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.880 getting market forces back into it. That's really the only 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.520 way forward. The Democrats alternative is more government. Let's put 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:10.320 the government in more subsish, more subsidy, more control, more mandates, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.920 more price controls. To my mind, that's like putting the 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.240 Department of Motor Vehicles in charge of my health. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.920 Here, I think, I know what's going to happen. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.840 Well, we saw what subsidy did to the college market, correct, 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.000 I mean, it's the same thing. More SUBJCT drives cost 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.920 up is all it does. And Dean Clancy, you know, 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:27.840 I look at this and go Okay, well, we walk 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.640 into a doctor's office, routine visit and pay all this money. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.400 I look at this, it's like several hundred dollars if 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.280 you look at the areas, and this further underscores my 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:40.240 id my idea, but the idea of getting everyone, get 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.719 your employer and government out of healthcare and put it 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.320 on the market like you buy your auto insurance, and 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.000 then you'd have plenty of money left over to take 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:48.959 care of the indigen and the people falling between the cracks, 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.280 and have money left over actually to maybe take a 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.760 bite out of the deficit. But I'm way ahead of 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.800 my skis on this one. I look at it and go, 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.920 you know, for example, I bring my dog into a veterinari. Well, 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.480 and now we've got, of course healthcare plans for pets 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:05.800 because they're going to make money off of this. But 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:07.680 I bory buy dog in for treatment. It's like, you know, 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.240 fifty to sixty bucks whatever, no problem, getting the same 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:11.320 X rays. I do it. 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:12.480 It's thousands of dollars. 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:17.119 LASiS with the diade surgery years ago was pretty expensive 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.040 and the cost is down to like ninety nine bucks 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.480 right now because guess what, most healthcare insurance policies aren't 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.560 covering that. You've got to pay out a pocket for 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:26.959 those elective procedures. I look at that and go, well, 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.839 if we did that with our healthcare overall, we'd be 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:30.760 in great shape. 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.319 Absolutely No, you are absolutely right. That is the way forward, 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.680 and healthcare would be much less expensive, and you'd have 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.000 lots more choice and the quality would be better all 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.280 because markets work in healthcare when we let them. 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:46.960 The Affordable Care. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.600 Act that the Democrats pushed through in twenty ten has 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:53.280 not made healthcare affordable. It's basically been a big failure. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.760 And the Democrats have basically said the twenty twenty sixth election, 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.000 we're going to fight it on this issue of more 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.839 government subsidies for health insurance and the money goes straight 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.280 to insures. And Donald Trump and a lot of the 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:11.079 Republicans and we at AFP all agree that that's not. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:11.960 The right way forward. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.679 Let's start with shifting where money. 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.560 From the government is going. Let's give it to patience. 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.880 Let's also let everybody have a. 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:20.840 Health savings account. 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.640 We've been talking about HSA's, but the fact is eighty 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:27.199 percent of Americans don't have access to an HSA because 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.640 of excessive federal restrictions on who can have one. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:31.559 Let's lift those. 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.240 Let's let everybody have an HSA if they want one. 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.840 That gives you a tax break on every medical purchase, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.640 and it puts you in charge and gives you more options. 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:44.280 And yes, let's move towards a system where we're not 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.480 relying on third parties like employers. You know, employers are 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:50.959 wonderful and the employer based healthcare system is very popular, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.480 but we could actually do better. It should be more 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:57.400 like auto insurance or home owners insurance. You know, you 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.800 just buy it and like the commercial says, buy only 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:01.440 what you need. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.560 Yeah, right now, that's not allowed. 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.760 As it should be. I mean, HSA works fine for 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:10.240 doctor visits, routine visit, sure, but catastrophic illness is something different. 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.520 Someone develops cancer and you're looking at two three hundred 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.200 thousand dollars bill. HSA doesn't really solve that problem. People 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.520 don't have that kind of money, and so we should 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.160 What we should focus on, though, is catastrophic here. And 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.360 then you know, for routine office visits, you go and 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.760 you pay for your annual wellness exam, whatever that cost is. 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.360 That's going to take a lot of the red tape 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.680 au bureaucracy out the more you pay out of pocket. 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.800 But everyone, of course wants insurance because hey, look I 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.840 got this at times where I get a prescription and 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.640 it's cheaper for me to pay out a pocket that 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:39.760 is for the insurance company. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:40.880 Doesn't make any damn sense. 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.760 Absolutely, yeah, No, we still need insurance for sure, and 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.200 we still need government safety nets to help those who 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.360 cannot afford the insurance. And if everybody had an HSA, 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.080 we would still need the government to put some money 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:57.280 into the hsas of people who are indigent, very unfortunate, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.480 can't afford it. And by the way, right now you 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.600 cannot use your HSA to buy insurance. If we change 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.760 that and we have these safety nets, then I think 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.800 you'd see a lot of people going and buying that 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:12.160 basic catastrophic style health insurance, just you know, buying only 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.760 what they need enough to protect them against the cancer 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.200 or getting hit by a bus, and then that have 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.560 the rest left over for the routine doctor's appointments and 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.760 so on. It would be a much better and more 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:23.760 efficient system. 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:25.200 And I think the. 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.640 Debate in Washington is moving towards that people are waking 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.080 up to the fact that a government run top down 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.560 healthcare system has only made things worse. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.320 Yeah, I think if the government steps out and becomes 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.160 actually what they should be in the referee, and of 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.560 course that then takes politicians out, they lose their clout, 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.240 they lose their power, they lose their obviously you donation 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.240 focuses and all that stuff. That's a problem because you know, 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:49.320 if you don't need politicians, why we electing these guys 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:50.960 in the first place. It can't even bounds a budget 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.400 for crying out lot alone to manage healthcare. But nonetheless, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.200 you get them out of this line of work and 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.200 lead people to buy their own stuff on the market. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.400 I think you'd have more than I'm sure somebody studied 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.360 this to find out how much money you'd save in 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:05.200 just administrative complexity and pricing failures and schemes, and the 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.040 care cost of delivery of health care and over treatment 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.640 and low value care. All that goes away largely because 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:13.920 you're shopping on the free market for your healthcare like 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.400 you do with other forms of insurance. And that would 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.600 leave litterlely billions, if not trillions of dollars left over 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.320 to really take care of the people who fall through 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.920 the cracks and then they get good healthare everybody wins 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.480 this and the biggest winner your employers where they don't 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.120 have to offer you healthcare anymore. They're out of that 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:28.680 line of work. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.000 Absolutely, that's it. You've put your. 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.160 Finger on it. It's a pleasure talking with you because 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.440 you get it. Not everybody does, but we're trying to 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.840 spread the word. At AFP, we call what you're describing 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.480 a personal option approach to health perform reliable, hassle free 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.960 health care you can afford. And how do you get there? 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.760 Let markets work. Markets will work in health care if 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:50.320 we let them. 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:51.000 Yeah. 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.760 Of course it's all tied to elections re elections and 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.520 the GOP and the Democrats, and that is really the 0:16:56.560 --> 0:17:00.360 prop Politics again are the problem, and sadly people are 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.400 reason will have a bit more young people want the 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.560 government to solve the problems they created in the first place. 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:08.800 Dean Clancy, senior health policy fellow at Americans for Prosperity, 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:10.400 Thanks for the time. I appreciate great conversation. 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:12.000 Oh my pleasure. 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.639 Take care news update on the way in just minutes 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.680 on seven hundred w W Oh we can bitch and moan. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.919 Is anything going to change. No, because of our model. No, 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.040 it is a good no, not at all. Quick time out, 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.919 all right, Trump firing off on Somemalians. This time it 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.119 was Haitians on the campaign trail. Now it's to Mullions. 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:31.960 We'll get to that just ahead, right after news on 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:37.880 seven hundred w W scots Landsha are in the crazy 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.880 X portion of the Trump administration. Are in this first year. 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:47.840 Every day something new, for sure. So after holding all 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.480 the asylumn decisions, found the shooting the two National guardsmen 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:55.080 in DC. Trump said this yesterday regarding Somali immigrants in 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:56.440 the United States, go We're going. 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:58.159 To go the wrong way if we keep taking in 0:17:58.280 --> 0:17:59.800 garbage into our country. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.080 These are people that work. 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.320 These are people that say, let's go, come on, let's 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:04.440 make this place great. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.840 These are people that do nothing but complain. 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.720 Yeah, I'm trying to figure that out, like everyone else, 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.320 scratching their head, going, well, I mean, you know, you 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.440 have people coming here in the nineties. And of course 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:20.280 this is addressed towards our representative, Illien Olmar part of 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.720 the squad. Of course, not a fan at all of 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.000 her politics, obviously, but you know she left them all 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:29.200 as a child refugee in ninety five, dually elected representing 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.280 her community. Whether you agree or disagree with her representation 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.800 of said community, a parent or constituents don't mind her, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.520 So there you go. But by and large, you know, 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.879 the ideas of contributing nothing. You look at the fact 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.040 pattern and it doesn't stand the test, simply because now 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.600 number one being we our nation of immigrants and we're 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.400 you know, you can make a case for those who 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.960 come here illegally and our aliens and what they bring, 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.320 and I can make a case for you know, why 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.639 we need immigrant labor here, albeit we need it more legally. 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.000 We needed an easier path to get here into this country. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.760 Better screening, use technology, AI, all that stuff to faster 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.200 track people because there's too much incentive. When it takes 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.960 anywhere between you know, ten and twenty years for someone 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.120 to legally gain entrance to the United States, there's more 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.040 incentive for them to skirt the system and get here illegally. 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:16.800 And that is a big part of the problem, the 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.800 court system and everything else. In the case of Somalis, 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.920 though and largely most Somalis anyway, it's a different path. 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:25.800 I mean, it's not like they're sneaking across the southern 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.480 border here. And so the end result is, you know, 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.600 have this policy of halting temporary protected status only like 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.919 I think seven hundred of them nationwide that fall in 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:39.960 that category. So you know, you way over estimate the 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.080 impact that this policy's going to have in the first place. 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.600 And like we saw with the Haitians in Springboro during 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:47.800 the election, and sometimes you got to write that off 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.280 as just you know, a lot of bluster on the 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.879 campaign trail because nothing ever came of that, and rightly 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.639 so too, But you know, you conflate unrelated incidents here. 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.600 It doesn't really matter where he was from. It's what 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.560 he did. And he was a United State, a US 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.520 soldier who was radicalized here at home. It's not necessarily 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:07.320 from abroad, but from at home. And I think what if, 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.040 you know, if you're really going to look at the issues, 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.440 is to find out how these people are getting radicalized. 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.440 And we know it's a lot of disaffected young men 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:16.720 that tend to get swept up in this, whether it's 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.439 that or any other radical group on the left or 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.760 the right for that matter. So why do young men 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.240 feel that they this is the only path for them? 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.119 It's because they've been marginalized in this country. And then 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.200 you know there's a lot Trump is he, quite honestly, 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.640 first president in a long time, if ever, to address that, 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.760 and rightly so is we have all or nothing mentality 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:40.399 in this country that somehow, because women have been pushed 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.719 down for so long, or any minority group, for that 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.320 man to push down, that their success has to come 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.320 at the expense of someone else, that lifting them up 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:50.560 means tearing someone else down. And we know that's not 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.160 the case and it shouldn't be that way, but it is, 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.480 and that tearing them down has become at the expense 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.360 of young men who have been left behind for tied 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.960 too long in this cut. So we solve the problem 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.320 of women and rising women lifting women up, but we've 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.399 done that at the expense of men. And you know, 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:09.760 at the end of the day, it's about what you 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:13.320 can produce, and you know, largely to me, ninety percent 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.840 of it is just showing up, willing, having the right attitude, 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:17.280 and willing to work hard. Are there going to be 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.840 setbacks and problems, Absolutely, there's no question about. 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:21.439 Everyone has that. 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:23.080 And just because you have a setback as a woman 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.800 doesn't mean that there's a glass ceiling, and that everyone's 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:27.800 all manner out to get you. And I think that's 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.720 often conflated too. Also adds to part of the problem. 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.320 But relative to the situation here with some minds, I mean, 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:36.639 you know, you're an American soldier, you're served in this 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:40.160 country in the armed services, and then you're radicalized at home. 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.000 That much we know so far about why he did 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:44.119 what he did. It really doesn't have anything to do 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:47.240 where you come from. You know, we know that people 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:49.800 commit crimes all the time, whether they're black, white, immigrant 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:53.160 or natural born citizens of the United States. Crime certainly does 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:57.720 not know no border. Let's put it that way, whether 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.440 it's socioeconomic or where you immigrated from, or if you 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:01.680 live in this country a long time and have the 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.080 biggest crime we have, the biggest problem we have in Cincinnati, 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.320 or what has nothing to do with refugees. It has 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.320 every to do with people who are predatory criminals. So 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:12.679 address that issue. There's just no connection between the incident 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.359 and Somali immigrants. And you know, we've got in a 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:18.119 crazy ex spouse mode here at this point going on. 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.840 We're just going to they contribute nothing to society, not 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:21.439 really helpful. 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:22.800 I don't know. 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:25.199 You know, I'm sure that appeals to a certain sector 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.280 of MAGA voters, but you know, by and large, it's 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:30.639 steady died of this stuff. It's exhausting, is what it is. 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.040 We have so many I'll point this out. I just 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.880 had a conversation with Dean Clancy from Americans for Prosperity. 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.280 You know, the healthcare is shoot in America. What happened 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:42.120 in DC with the shooting is it's a crime. It's tragic, 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:45.919 and certainly, you know, we shouldn't downplay that. But to 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.520 somehow think that this is a bigger problem because it's 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.000 Samali refugees, is like the Haitians or any other immigrant 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:53.600 group for that problem, or making the problem out to 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:56.520 be much bigger than it really is in that regard, 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:58.879 and who to blame? Who's the blame for it? You know, 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:01.800 sweeping all some allies togethers not part of the problem. 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:04.520 I don't, I don't. I think most people, like you 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:06.880 can't say everybody, but certainly als everyone is like, yeah, 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:10.200 that's not really it, man, And then we waste a 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:12.080 lot of energy and time talking about things like that 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:14.080 and distracts. It's because there are real problems out there. 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:16.800 We're not addressing the budget deficit. We're not addressing healthcare. 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.880 I mentioned. I just had Dean Clancy on from AFP saying, yeah, 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:24.480 the Republican solution to this, the plan finally after fifteen years, 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:27.360 by the way, better in some ways. Yeah, because it's 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.520 going to give you money to pay your health care. 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:33.119 But the problem is, and again just like what Trump's 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:36.600 doing with the Somali issue is it's like it's not 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:38.040 really addressing the core issue here. 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:40.320 You know, why is healthcare so damn expensive? 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:43.000 You can, okay, you can give money to insurance companies 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.720 which are just going to incentivize them to charge you 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:47.600 even more, like we did with college and everything else 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:49.760 we subsidize. But in this case, you're gonna give me 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:53.680 the money to buy my health care, and the free 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:57.280 market great. But if I have to have a procedure 0:23:57.320 --> 0:23:59.800 done that costs thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.840 more than it should have or more than should cost, 0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:05.600 I don't have enough money in that kind of cover it. 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:08.320 So again it's you're shifting the money back, and I 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.640 appreciate you giving it to me as opposed to someone else. 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:13.520 I just don't see how that is going to help 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.360 people who and certainly it's not everyone, but a lot 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:20.160 of people who come up with some sort of debilitating illness, accident, 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:22.080 whatever it might be, and that they just don't make 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:23.879 enough money, enough money in that account to cover the 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:26.280 medical expense. How do we get that cost down? I 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:28.520 think addressing the issue of subsidy is the way to 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.359 go about that. But this is just part and parcel. 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:34.080 It's you know, we want quick changes overnight, and we 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:37.040 want to assess quick blame on something as to you know, 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.399 why healthcare is expensive. It's a fall of democrats wise. 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.200 You know, how did two soldiers get shot in DC? 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:45.800 Well we had so we got to get rid of 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:47.639 some molly's. I mean, it just it doesn't. It doesn't. 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:50.240 It's like hair on fire policy. And this is just 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.600 the first year. It's going to get a lot more exhausting. 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:53.119 Coming up. 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:56.520 We'll we get time out in and more to follow 0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.240 here coming up. At ten oh six on the show, 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.480 Alicia Reese jumps in. She's got lots of say about 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.160 the property tax rebate battle. There's something else going on there, 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:05.320 and you know you were promised at one point if 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.160 you're around in ninety six. A voter in ninety six, 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:10.240 you're promised a thirty percent tax rebate from the county 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:13.560 if you okayed the sales tax to build the stadiums. 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.159 Of course we've only done that a couple to handful 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:19.560 of times and the last thirty plus years. Uh, this 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.320 time around, you're gonna get a whopping four and a 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:23.119 half percent. She has issue with that and says the 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:26.359 money is there, and she'll explain where and how. Coming 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:27.879 up on the show at ten oh six, after a 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:34.359 quick time out seven hundred w WELWT, my wife was 0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:36.639 watching the U for some reason. The Sean Combs, the 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:43.240 Reckoning documentary on Netflix said man, I I had no 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:47.440 idea how bad he just an awful person. Like, well, yeah, 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:49.440 you think you think they're gonna do a documentary to 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:53.159 make them look good. And there's a no, I'm not 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:56.320 downplaying what he did because it's horrific, but yeah, it's 0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:57.880 not gonna not gonna make him look good. 0:25:57.880 --> 0:25:58.640 That's for damn sure. 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:03.240 Scott's show. This is seven hundred WLW. Thanks for checking 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:06.399 it out on the iHeartRadio app taking this wherever you go, 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:10.359 and of course the podcast following the show as well. 0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:12.480 You know, you got to give credit where credits due. 0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:16.480 Speaking to someone who was in Price Hill yesterday and 0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:18.719 said for the first time that they can remember in 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:24.240 probably a decade that the side streets were actually cleared 0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:27.560 in West Price Hill like that hasn't happened. I haven't 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.919 just used to residents. They're just used to snow up 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.600 to your ankles anytime we get four or five inches 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.639 of snow and no one is there to clear it. 0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:39.360 And the streets were actually plowed in West Price Hill. 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:43.680 Now that we're twenty four hours past Snowmageddon, at least 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:45.360 the first round of it. Anyway, we spent a little 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:47.600 more flurries in the forte and certainly we're gonna get 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:49.560 our share of snow this winter. It's bound to happen. 0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:53.840 But the first test for the new city services seemingly 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:58.440 went extremely extremely well. That eighty snow trucks snowplows operating 0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:04.399 in twelve hour shifts yesterday morning. Cruz got to residential 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:08.600 streets at eleven am yesterday and anything left they're going 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:10.560 to get the shoulders of the roads and the like. 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:12.960 And they are very proactive in this whole thing. That 0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:17.520 snow Tracker app, the plow tracker app and website rather 0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:22.119 had some server issues because of high demand. So and 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:24.040 I'm sure if you logged onto that you saw some 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.240 black screens or little data or no data or whatever 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:28.960 it might be. Any interface is a little clunky, it's 0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:31.119 not the best thing, but it's light years ahead of 0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:33.240 where they were and where we were this time last year. 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:34.520 So I think it's important. You know, you got to 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.000 give credit where credit is due, and this was an 0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:42.040 unmitigated train wreck last year and years previous for that matter. 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:44.879 You know, the big question still remains, and a lot 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:46.640 of people on console will tell you, well, I wasn't 0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:48.480 there when I love when politicians do that. You know, 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:52.000 I wasn't there when we know, we know you've absolved 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:57.560 yourself that it's been ignored for twenty years. I mean, 0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.560 all the money that was supposed to go to that 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:01.959 infrat structure went to other things, and that is just 0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:04.719 a it's an incredible waste of money. As much as 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.679 we beat up on aft ed Pure Vault, it was 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:11.840 solved under his watch. Now one year and one snowstorm 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:13.520 doesn't make a trend, for sure, I get that, but 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:16.240 it seems like we've learned for those lessons and moved 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:19.120 past that. And it's typical with government is that once 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:21.960 they feel they've solved a problem, what happens is they 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:25.879 ignore the mechanism that got them to the point of success. 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.280 They go, well, why do It's just like the policing 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.960 problem in Cincinnati again, right, we had what happened in 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:35.200 two thousand and one with the Timothy Thomas shooting and 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.359 the riots and the unrest, and we had the collaborative agreement. 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:39.720 We did all that stuff and spent millions and millions 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:42.520 and millions of dollars, and in a period of time 0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:44.920 became one of the best, if not the best, law 0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.840 enforcement community in the United States, to the point where 0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:51.640 under Obama, they were sending attorneys here, government attorneys to 0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:52.880 learn what Cincinnati was doing. 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:53.160 Right. 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:55.600 And I think the problem is when you hit success, 0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:57.240 you go, okay, we just we don't need to spend 0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:59.840 this much money. We can't justify the cost of this anymore. 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.360 And so we take the money intended for that and 0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:07.040 send it elsewhere. And what happens is, you know water self, lovely, Okay, 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:08.880 We're gonna take the money and put it over here. Well, 0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:11.200 now you've ignored it, and we've got a crime problem again. 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:14.760 And so it goes. And whether that's crime or snow plows, 0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.080 it's the same thing. And maybe there's a time when 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:18.719 the roads to get all clear, go well, why are 0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:20.160 we doing this? We don't give much too and Cincinnati, 0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:21.720 let's spend the money somewhere else. We don't need to 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:23.640 fix that. You know, we'll fix the plows next year. 0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:25.120 We'll get new plows next year. And then eventually the 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.840 equipment breaks down and you can't services anymore, and you 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.520 get what we got last year. So changes were made 0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.600 and tip of the cap because from what I understand, 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:35.400 having not driven down there, you probably could tell me 0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:37.960 better if you live in Cincinnati or drive downtown that 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:39.360 things were markedly better. 0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:41.200 But that's what we're hearing, so good for them. Anyway. 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:43.360 We'll get a news update in Alicia Reese jumps on 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:46.400 the show next from Hamlin County Commission. She voted against 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:49.680 the four and a half percent property tax rebate. She 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:52.600 wanted the full thirty Why and she says the money's there. 0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:54.680 She'll explain after this on the Home of the Best 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:56.400 Bengals coverage seven hundred WWT. 0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:58.920 Since then, I want to be amic. 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.160 Lonely Buckoun seven hundred held up to the news yesterday, 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.440 the Hamlin County commissioned it is the topic that keeps 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:09.480 on giving. The property tax rebid in Hamlin County commissions 0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:12.120 are proving four and a half percent for next year, 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.720 and that, of course, way far away from the thirty 0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.800 percent promise. When voters approved the half cent tax levy 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.240 and the tax increase in ninety six to fund stadium construction, 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:24.160 the vote was two to one, and the no vote 0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:26.120 on it, of course is from our good front Commissioner 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:28.520 Alicia Reese, who joins the show this morning on seven 0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:29.560 hundred w ALW. 0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:31.840 Madam Commissioner, glad to speak with you. 0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:34.360 Good, good to be heard. 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:39.280 Yeah, I gotcha, all right. So we've taught I think 0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:40.320 we've talked this a lot. 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:40.640 You know. 0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:43.960 One year we had the thirty percent, got that back promised. Okay, 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.959 Now it's four and a half percent. The approved rate 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:50.160 of four and a half percent. If given it'd be 0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.080 like thirty two million. This is just five million. And 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.200 I look at the numbers and you have been the 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:57.520 loan dissenting void a voice on this one too. 0:30:58.040 --> 0:30:59.920 Two years ago. I think it was the full third 0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:00.400 three percent. 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:01.240 We got that back. 0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:02.920 What changed in the last couple of years. 0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:06.600 Yeah, well, let me just say that, you know, when 0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:09.840 I ran this my sex time being re elected. But 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:11.800 when I ran, I got down there, they were at 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:14.560 single digits, which is where they're at now on the 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:18.080 property tax rollback that was promised. 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:18.360 To the voters. 0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:20.400 And I had said that, you know, I came on 0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:23.160 your show and your listeners and we were able to 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:27.200 get the thirty percent had never been really introduced, and 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:29.120 we had the thirty percent because we have to do 0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:32.040 it every single year. One of the things that I 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.360 saw was that it was a promise made to the taxpayers, 0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:37.520 but they never wanted to put it in writing, and 0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:40.480 they were hoping that the taxpayers would not be paying attention. 0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.400 And so I think what makes this one significant is 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:48.200 that when we started looking at the biggles, when we 0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:53.000 start going to the Bengal negotiations, that's when this particular 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:57.240 county commission board they wrote the taxpayers out. They voted 0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:01.240 for something to go against what the tax taxpayers were promised. 0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:04.440 Because as you could see in the Business Courier, the 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:08.040 headline with county property tax rebate looks to take a 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:12.280 major hits. New Bengals lease is the factor, and that's 0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:15.120 the factor we keep in the promise to the stadiums, 0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.760 but not the promise to the over two hundred thousand homeowners. 0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:23.240 We've got two sets of talking points. Long one when 0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:26.520 it comes to the taxpayers and homeowners. They bring out 0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.960 a set of talking points from the administrators and my 0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:34.440 colleagues and they say, hey, we can't do this. It's 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:37.720 fiscally irresponsible. We don't have any money. They brought a 0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:42.520 chart out. I'd never seen chart. It's going downward and 0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:46.560 we might go bankrupt. My colleague Disease three House have 0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.880 put in the paper that because we went with thirty percent, 0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:53.400 which she voted against a tax break for the homeowners 0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:57.360 and thirty percent because of that, we we just can't 0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.720 do it and we're going bankrupt. Then they got another 0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:05.240 set of talking points when the Bengals lease came, Oh, 0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:06.200 this is a great thing. 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:07.000 We got to do it. 0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:09.479 Over three hundred and fifty million dollars and an eight 0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:15.120 hundred million dollar deal with interest, nothing for the taxpayers. 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.520 They were toasting it up. We did it, We did it, 0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:21.280 and we and we screwed the Hamilton county taxpayers. That's 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:25.680 not irresponsible. They didn't say it was irresponsible when it's 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:29.680 a fund that does sales tax and the Bengals were 0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:34.200 exempt from sales tax. Maybe that reason why the fund 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:36.320 is going down. But they got to set another set. 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:38.680 And then just the other day they had some talking 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.280 points and they said, oh, we've got to do this 0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:45.320 redevelopment again of the banks, which is eight hundred million 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:49.160 dollars with some tables and chairs and some spaces where 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.360 people can hear free music. They went to clap it 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.920 and we got the money when we wanted to do 0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:57.640 sundance and I supported sundance, but we didn't get it. 0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.920 We came up the administrator said, and I got a 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:04.240 rabbit out of the hat. Here's another two million dollars. 0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:04.920 We can do it. 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.640 Well, we were going to do another thing that we needed. 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:11.640 He went into the rabbit and the hat. We can 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:15.040 do it. So it's a magic show down at the 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:18.520 county that I have observed since i've been there. And 0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:24.200 then it was said that my colleague said, well, maybe 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:28.640 if we don't do the thirty percent and we'll keep collecting, 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:32.200 we'll be able to do more in the future. Well, 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:35.919 we've done this for thirty years. Twenty four of those 0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:39.440 years I wasn't even there. So where was this collection? 0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.200 Because for twenty four years we've been in single digits. 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:46.080 Twenty four years, we haven't done the thirty percent, So 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:49.560 where is this collection of money that they're referring to. 0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:52.040 We gave them twenty four years. I gave them twenty 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.719 four years before I got there, and then I introduced 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.719 the thirty percent. And now all of a sudden, you 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:01.720 say that because of the homew owners getting a break, 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:06.600 we're bankrupting the fund. So there's two sets of talking points. 0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:10.200 It's a every time we get ready for this season, 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.960 as you know songs, it's a magic show the administrator 0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:18.080 when certain people want something, my colleagues come out and jump. 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:20.359 We found the money for the Bengals. If we didn't 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:23.680 have the money, maybe we should have got a different deal. 0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:29.480 If the fund was going bankrupt, maybe we should have said, no, Bengals, 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.879 you cannot be exempt from sales tax because we use 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.759 sales tax to fund the stadium. Maybe we should have 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:40.960 said no, we need a deal like Denver where less 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:44.239 public money. They almost have no public money going in 0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:47.640 and they're going to have a brand new stadium. So 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:52.239 to say that it's the homeowner's fault, we got to 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:56.239 penalize the homeowners. We can't help the homeowners. The other 0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.879 argument they said was a thirty percent. I mean, you're 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:02.680 not getting that much money back, Sloans. If Kroger's, I've 0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:05.640 seen Krogers say we're gonna have five and ten percent off, 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:09.120 and people bust the door down to get that five 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.800 and ten percent. You use that little card because you 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:15.120 want to get a percentage off on your gas. People 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:19.759 are looking for affordability break and any break we can 0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:24.000 give them as important right now now Sloan. Just yesterday 0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.799 they went with not giving the homeowners the full thirty 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:32.320 percent rebate, right and then they're getting ready to vote 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:38.560 on a budget that will increase your sewer bill. So 0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:42.239 now we're gonna that's that's adding another four percent. They 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:45.440 added four percent last year. I disagreed. I voted no. 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.200 So that's eight percent. You almost had to ten percent 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.520 in two years where your bill is going up. So 0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.319 we're gonna make the bill go up. We're not gonna 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:56.480 give you the break that we that you were promised. 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:58.839 We're gonna keep the promise to the Bengals, but all 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:00.759 of a sudden, no promise of the homeowners. 0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:01.719 We have to pay for this. 0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:06.279 It's two hundred thousand homeowners that need a break. And 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:11.360 then we also the administrator has proposed in his budget 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.120 and it might go I'm gonna fight against it. 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:14.879 Now. 0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:18.840 We also want to add to the closing cost. 0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:23.120 The property transfer tax. 0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:24.400 I was going to bring that up as well, and 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.680 I'll fold in you know, you know, and again it's 0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:30.320 a probably not fair to bring this up, but I 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.799 think it's the headline about more taxes, right, the one 0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:36.600 percent tax around the convention Center district for food and bars. 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:38.240 If you partake in that kind of stuff. 0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:39.120 So it it. 0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:41.680 And you know that's outside of the scope too, because 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:43.840 that's a choice. It's not mandatory like animals, you've got 0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:45.920 to buy stuff. But at the same time, I mean 0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:48.680 we add we add all that up stuff, we add 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:50.520 it all together. Right, It but still a fee that 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:51.399 people are going to pay. 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:54.319 Now, wait a minute, So that's a good point you made. 0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:57.480 You're gonna add a one percent tax if you eat 0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:59.800 around a certain area. They have it in other areas, 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:04.719 but it's at a property that the county before I 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:08.880 got there now they voted it's there as a fifty 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:12.960 two million dollars Millennium hotel was there. It's fifty two 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:15.640 million dollars it cost to get rid of it and 0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:18.720 tear it down, and then you're replacing it with something 0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:21.120 that you're not making any money. This one percent doesn't 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.600 go to the county. This is going to three CDC. 0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:28.080 You don't get no money back. Fifty two million dollars 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:31.560 down the two and you put something there that doesn't 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:32.319 make any money. 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:36.399 That'll make money though, because you're going to bring people 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:38.400 from out of town to spend money and pay those taxes. 0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:39.360 That's that's why they're doing it. 0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:39.960 Makes sense. 0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:44.640 Well wait a minute, hold that, Okay, fifty If the 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:48.719 taxpayers put out fifty two million, then we're not getting 0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:50.960 anything from that that goes to the developers, so we 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:53.400 get zero. That's what I'm saying. What I said on 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.440 your show, and I broke in first with you, was 0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:58.640 that I told the administrator, I said, why don't we 0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:02.600 get the liquor like down there so that we can 0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:07.000 get the funding back to the county coffer And he's 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.040 supposed to be looking at it. But anytime I say 0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:12.759 something of that magnitude. He looking at it, and he's 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:14.560 looking at it like I said, it's a magic sho 0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:17.080 You know, there's a movie out called Now You see Me, 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:20.280 Now you don't. That's what's happening down at the county. 0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:23.640 One minute. If you have an idea to bring money 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:26.800 in to help the taxpayers, that all of a sudden, 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:28.759 we can't do it. If you want to give the 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.799 homeowners a break, you can't do it. If you want 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.400 to get a taxpayers a break, you can't do it. 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:37.239 Then all of a sudden, over here, like you just 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:40.319 say it, there's a tax but we're not benefiting for him, 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.120 and the homeowner's not benefiting from it. Nothing is going 0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:45.680 back to help us get a break. Is going to 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.360 a developer. All of a sudden, it's a great idea, 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:51.640 we're moving in the wrong direction. And also there's a 0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:55.239 lot of funds down there at the county. I've tried 0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:57.880 to get my hands around it, because all of a sudden, 0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:00.520 I said, give me, where are all the funds, our money? 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:02.680 What's in here? They don't give it to me. And 0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:06.239 then all of a sudden, when certain people call, there's 0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:08.040 a rabbit out of the hat. We can do it 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:12.560 big boos. Okay, don't worry about this, Well, Denise, we 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:13.120 can't do it. 0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:15.080 Yeah, I think Denise Threehouse said that. By the way, 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:16.880 Alisha Reesa on the show the sprint of the property 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:20.080 tax rebate, she said, I think called the last time 0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:22.880 we did the full three thirty one thirty two million 0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:26.600 dollars rebate irresponsible. It is irresponsible back and they responsible 0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:30.480 now and quoted some figures that they fund the reserve fund. 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:33.280 Is that forty seven percent of maximum at max manual 0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:36.560 debt service the recommended numbers eighty five percent. 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:39.320 Uh So, who's to if you're. 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:40.680 Someone who listen to this right now and you're in 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:43.759 the county Hamlin County Lisha Reese, you're looking at going, well, 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:45.000 who am I supposed to believe on this? 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:47.680 Either we have the money or we don't have the money. 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:49.160 Yeah, well, it's. 0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.440 Well onless. We and her have a difference of opinion. 0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:58.239 I am not for raising taxes, so we're gonna always disagree. 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:03.399 She voted again giving the homeowners the break. Last time 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:06.239 she was the one vote that voted against it. But 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:10.400 to put up that is irresponsible is disingenuous. Her and 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:13.719 the administrator are together. Every time you hear the administrator 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:20.080 is almost like an extension of the staff. Because, by 0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:22.680 the way, where was the chart when you look at 0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.400 that fund, you got to look at the stadium. So 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:28.680 before you do a stadium deal, you got to put 0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:32.080 all the chips on the table. So it was irresponsible 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:35.719 to do a stadium deal knowing that you wouldn't be 0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:38.319 able to give a break to the homeowners. That's why 0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:40.520 I wanted to take it to the ballot. It's not 0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:44.080 about who should have taxpayers believe. I'm for putting it 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.400 to the taxpayers and letting them. 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:47.399 Have a say. 0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:50.600 If you take the taxpayers off the ballot and not 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:53.759 have a say, now you just turn it over down 0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:56.319 to the administration. Now, I'll be honest with you. When 0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.680 I came in, I came in. I'm the newest member 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:02.800 of and I came in because people said they wanted 0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:06.000 me to shake it up, open up the process, and 0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:11.120 fight for the taxpayers first. And so that's where I'm 0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:14.279 coming from. So we all got differences of who we 0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.359 you know, what we believe and so forth. But I'm 0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:21.400 looking at the numbers the Bengals deal, and if the 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:25.080 headline was right in the courier is the reason the 0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:29.440 fund is going the way it's going. The fact that 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:33.520 they're not paying any sales tax themselves is the reason 0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:37.920 that the fund is going bankrupt. So her belief is 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:41.440 blame the homeowners. Mine is let's look at who's getting 0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:44.759 who's benefiting from the fund, and it's not the homeowners. 0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:47.560 And I believe that we could have done both if 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:49.960 we would have gotten a better deal. But if you 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:52.799 don't get a whole house away, and now you come 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.719 back to the people who elected us and you tell 0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:59.280 them we can't do it. We can't keep your promise, 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.520 but we can keep the fromiss to the Bengals, I 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:05.279 think from the voters that voted for me the two 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.520 hundred eighteen thousand, they're saying, that's a bunch of crap, 0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:10.719 and then to come back on the same thing and 0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:13.480 pile on and say, now we're going to go up 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:16.840 on your stewer rate. The people that voted for me 0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:19.240 two hunderd eighteen thousand said that's a bunch of bulls, 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:21.680 And then to come back and say, now we're going 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:25.399 to balance the budget by now even adding this real 0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:31.839 estate transfer fee. You know, the realators, the investors real 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:35.279 estate investors, the real estate homeowners, all of them have 0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:39.120 come out over seventy five two hundred members. And they 0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:42.279 didn't even get the courtesy of even being talked to 0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:45.200 the Board of Realtors. They didn't even get the home 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:48.279 Builders Association, they didn't even get the courtesy of getting 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.520 a phone call. And so they have come out. So 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:54.480 the experts who are in this have come out and 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:57.040 said this is going to hurt us as a county 0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:00.680 because people will now move to other counties. The people 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:02.919 who do this every day for a living and also 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:06.000 pay taxes have said that rent will go up because 0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:10.200 the landlords now got to pass this this property tax 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:12.400 on to somebody, and they're going to pass it on. 0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:15.440 And then, as you know, Sloan, there was articles that 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:18.560 the in Choir is doing on these senior citizens, and 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:23.080 they had one of them that I brought up. Gentlemen 0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:28.240 seventy three years old, always worked his whole life, painted bills, 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:32.000 had his home and now getting ready to lose his 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:37.360 home because the property tax has jumped up triple and 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:41.440 after his solid security check, he only has he pays 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.640 that right the property tax. He only has forty dollars 0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:48.760 left to pay for medicine, gas and electric et cetera. 0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:52.920 And I know the state is the State's working on 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:54.880 a plan to help folks like that, which is a 0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:57.520 good thing. Finally, Alisia Reese, I know you also started 0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:00.279 to change that org petition for residents of voice. Does 0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.440 that really carry that much weight? I mean it changed 0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:05.279 dot org. It doesn't really influence it then, does it. 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:08.360 Well, what we want to do is every year we 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:10.480 have to vote on this, and it always comes at 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:13.279 the last second, so people might can't get down there. 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:16.880 I want to start now and hear from the people directly, 0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:20.239 and so therefore that's why we put the petition out there, 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.680 so we could hear from the people directly. I'm hearing 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:25.920 from them, am I out in the community, But I 0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:29.160 want to make sure they understand my colleagues. They may say, oh, 0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:31.520 it's two to one. No, it's not two to one. 0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:33.920 I got two hundred and eighteen thousand voters. But now 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:36.600 let's hear from the I'm trying to let them hear 0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:42.440 from the homeowners themselves. And so this petition will it 0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:44.799 won't stop to thirty percent this time, but we would 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:49.120 be prepared next time. But secondly, it can also impact 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.000 the budget that we're getting ready to do with the 0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:56.000 additional fee for the transfer tax, and so we'll be 0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:58.560 fighting for that. So the reason we're doing this is 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:01.560 to try to give the people it's to be heard, 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:05.680 and then we'll be prepared so when we go in 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.480 they say, hey, here's what the people are saying. And 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.200 I do think it can make a difference, because Sloan, 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.160 they didn't. They told me we could never get thirty percent. 0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.719 I came on here and we fought, like hell, we 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:21.040 got it my first year. We came on here, we 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:25.400 fought like hell, we got it another year, and so 0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:27.960 we just got to keep fighting. But if you get quiet, 0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:31.120 they're hoping you get quiet. They're hoping you don't know. 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:34.160 We're hoping that you only a few people know what's 0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:36.799 going on, and then by the time you get your bill, 0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:39.439 it's too late because the vote has already been teged. 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:41.520 She is, she's preaching the gods with the lead show reason. 0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:43.560 I know you had a health scare and I wasn't 0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:46.400 aware of that, but I'm so glad that unfortunately got 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:49.319 great treatment, great healthcare, you see, and you're doing much 0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:50.880 much better. So it's good to have you back in 0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:53.680 the game and speaking truth of power. 0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:54.239 Great. 0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:59.520 Yeah, I got great health care. Mercy jew mercy. You're 0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:02.640 saying the nurses and the doctors, and my doctor said 0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:04.800 it could have been fatal. So I just want to 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:07.200 be very spiritual. I want to thank God, but I 0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:09.400 want to say those doctors and nurses. And while I 0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:11.960 was there, what are nurses? That came on the TV. 0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:14.239 They didn't know who I was, and the property tax 0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:17.000 came on and she says, oh, man, I me and 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:19.520 my husband we can't afford to go up. And so 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.600 that's why I went to the meeting yesterday, even. 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:24.279 Though you're not supposed to be doing it. Will you 0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:26.960 get shut the hell up and get some rest? 0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:28.520 Would you go? 0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:31.560 I'll go lay down down, put your feed up. 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.759 Elevate, get get the coughs on your ear legs to 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.160 keep the DVT away, and uh live to fight another day. 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:40.960 God bless you. Alicia, Thanks for coming on. Thank you, 0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:44.520 take care of It's a Scott Slung show. One of 0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:47.080 my favorite all time guests. Right there, Alicia, she just 0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:51.040 she just spits, man, she just goes well, say hi, 0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:53.120 and man, I can go get coffee. 0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:55.359 Come on back. She's still talking. She's the best right there. 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:58.400 That's great Scott's Slung Show seven hundred WW. 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:04.520 Helping you navigate the rocky path of fulfilling employement. 0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:08.960 Here's our career, sure about it, Julie Bouki. 0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:11.920 Every Wednesday morning, this time we talked to our good 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:16.400 friend Julie Balki with the Bauki Group, the principal there. Uh, 0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:19.680 and we've got news now that if you're a Kroger employee, 0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:21.600 it's over. Now you've got to go back to work. 0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:24.000 And they announced this at the same time we just 0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:27.000 had five inches of snowfall, so now you got to 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:27.520 deal with that. 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:28.279 Ms. 0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:30.160 Bouki, welcome. How you been. 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:37.600 Fantastic? Yes, it is. Uh, it's a bit confounding, not surprising, 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:38.600 but a bit confounding. 0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:40.000 Why is it you found it? 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:40.160 Why? 0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:42.120 Why is that so confounded? We go back to because 0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:44.360 there's there's something to be set up for human interaction. 0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:46.480 You know, Okay, I got a zoom meeting and there's 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:48.400 delay and there's glitches like leaving. 0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:51.120 Everybody on there. Somebody said about working in an office. 0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:54.239 Though you know there's Yeah, so let's let's take a 0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:59.080 look at at the last fourteen months with Kroger. August 0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:03.840 to twenty twenty four, they laid off one thousand administrative people. 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:07.279 In February they laid off two hundred corporate staff. And 0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:09.880 they required people to be in the office three to 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.680 four days a week. So they already had a three 0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:19.239 to four day requirement for being in And so now 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:23.000 we're saying, okay, so now you're getting rid of hybrid, 0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:28.040 and you're getting rid of hybrid and flexibility for everybody. 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:31.239 And I'm just, I would just I'm curious, and I'm 0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:34.839 sure they have an answer, but what does five days 0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:36.960 do for you that three to four days didn't do 0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:40.239 for you? And when we look at when we look 0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:44.799 at the trends, it's just it's fascinating because it's right 0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:46.560 now we're in a place where when you look at 0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:50.040 the number of work days period done in this country, 0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:54.400 twenty five percent of the work days are done remotely 0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:57.320 and that number has not changed for two years. It 0:49:57.480 --> 0:50:01.640 was sixty some percent during COVID. So I have always said, 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:04.960 hybrid is where we're going to land. Some flexibility, Hybrid 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:06.480 is where we're going to land. And when you look 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:09.920 at then you start looking at Okay, so what impact 0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:13.160 does this have women have dropped out of the workforce. 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:18.719 Forty three percent of women who work full time are 0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:22.759 the primary breadwinner. They are estimating by the end of 0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:26.080 twenty twenty five, which were almost there, half a million 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:29.359 women will have dropped out of the workforce. Women were 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:32.560 their happiest and most engaged during COVID when they got 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:36.440 some time and flexibility. Right, and then you say, all right, 0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:40.000 so half a million women leaving the workforce, that's going 0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:42.920 to keep going. That's going to keep building. Seventy some 0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:45.040 percent of women I was reading the survey said they 0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:49.160 would consider changing jobs if they lost their flexibility. And 0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:52.400 so it's it is. And then just on top of that, 0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:58.360 it's attraction, retention and engagement strategy. And the experts in 0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:00.920 this field, the people who are really they're studying the 0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:03.080 companies that are trying this, that are doing kind of 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:05.880 ab groups to see what the difference is when they 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:08.800 have fully in the office and fully you know, and 0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:12.799 some sort of level of hybrid. The numbers are very clear. 0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:17.560 Turnover goes down, profitability goes up, and we're seeing as 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:22.000 over and over and over again, and no performance difference. 0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.800 There was a study done by the Stanford economist Nick Bloom, 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:25.279 who's sort of. 0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:26.560 The guru of all this. 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:31.120 And so when you say we want you in eight 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:34.640 to five, five days a week, Kroger perfectly, absolutely has 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:38.279 the right to say that, no doubt about it. Your 0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:40.759 company you can run at how you want. But the 0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:45.920 ripple effect on your ability to retain your people that 0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:50.600 you currently have to attract new people, especially younger people, 0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:55.040 and have them fully in absolutely diminish this. There's no 0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:57.560 doubt about that. And if you're willing to live with that, 0:51:58.440 --> 0:51:59.160 go right ahead. 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:01.680 But that's just a fact of where we are right 0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:03.919 and we have metrics now right as we have five 0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:07.520 years of data. Multiple studies show that remote workers are 0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:10.440 often more productive than those who work in the office. 0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:13.320 For your distractions, can you time right, you've got a 0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:17.000 better work life balance which keeps you engaged. If productivity 0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:20.640 hasn't declined and arguable in many cases, has improved doing 0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:24.400 remote work. What is Kroger or anyone's business justification for 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:25.680 forcing people back to the office. 0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:30.320 They use words like better teamwork, better, it is better that. Okay, 0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:34.040 I get that, But what the studies are showing is 0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:39.920 that when organizations who figure out how to manage inside 0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:45.240 of a hybrid or flexible structure, learn to set expectations, 0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:50.200 gain commitment, and really, you know, hold people accountable while 0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:53.560 giving them autonomy. Those are the ones that are going 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:57.360 to attract and retain the best people. Your best people 0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:01.239 want options on how to live their lives, and they 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:04.480 have options, so they're going to start you start losing 0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:08.880 your ability to pull the best people into your applicants, 0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:13.040 into your applicant pool. And it's just, yeah, I don't 0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:14.840 it's I'd love to have a crystal wall and know 0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:16.600 what's what it's going to be like in five years, 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:20.600 but you know, it's it's interesting to see. And part 0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:22.759 of this too, is tied back to I mean I 0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:25.239 was reading some things that said, well, they're just trying 0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:26.960 to get that they're doing this to try to get 0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:31.200 people to quit like that. Always, anytime I hear that, 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:35.680 I think that if that's true, that's dumb because you're 0:53:35.719 --> 0:53:36.839 going to lose your best people. 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:38.600 Yeah, your best people have other options. 0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:41.040 If you're good, you have a But then again, I 0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:44.200 mean the past, the way would work would be that Okay, hey, 0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:46.239 we've got different roles for our best people, and that's 0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:48.959 them as the rules, right, they can Griffy Jr. 0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:49.799 Role, so to speak. 0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:51.600 It's like, if you're a performer and you're doing well, 0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:53.760 we tend to look go out and give you plenty 0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:56.560 of room that we wouldn't give other employees. 0:53:56.640 --> 0:53:58.439 But now you're not doing that doesn't make any sense? 0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:01.880 Yeah, I know. I'd especially love to know what the 0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:04.280 impact is going to be on the IT department because 0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:06.520 those are the ones. Those are the people who have 0:54:06.600 --> 0:54:09.520 sent There is zero reason for me to come in 0:54:09.560 --> 0:54:11.600 the office. I can see maybe a couple days a week, 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:15.880 but that's that's the department that it is, the function 0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:19.640 that really was the that was the one who really 0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:22.520 the canary and coal mine on remote work because they 0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:26.280 work with technology all the time and it's not location dependent, 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:30.960 and so those how will you retain your IT people 0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:36.280 and attract new IT talents when you're completely going against 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:39.160 the tide. So I'm sure they've thought through all these things. 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:39.640 I hope so. 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:43.000 But it's just interesting to watch because it will lead 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.920 to people are already pressured. So when you lays that 0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:48.879 many people say twelve hundred or more in the last year, 0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:52.440 who's doing that work right now? Who's doing work you are? 0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:54.879 It's trickling down to the people who are still there, 0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:58.360 and so you're you're you're putting your people in a 0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:01.560 pressure cooker and it's just, you know, just from a 0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:07.240 long term attraction, retention and engagement strategy, it's just a loser. 0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:11.000 Yeah, she's Julie Baki our career short on the Scotslon 0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:14.640 Show on seven hundred welw Kroger announcing a return to 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:16.759 office five days a week rather than the remote work 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:21.839 starting in January, and they said that it's in person 0:55:21.920 --> 0:55:24.840 teamwork is very very important. But you know, collaboration and 0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:27.040 the argument is that if you collaborate, if you innovate, 0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:29.279 doing all the stuff together as a team, face to face, 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:32.000 it suffers when you work remotely. But there are plenty 0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:35.759 of companies in the world that are entirely remote from 0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:39.279 all over the world that are extremely successful. So if 0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:41.680 that's we're true, why are they the outliers. 0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:46.080 It's interesting. Spotify the music I think of a Spotify 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:49.000 Spotify they put up a big billboard in Times Square 0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:53.640 someplaces said we hire adults, we don't hire children, so 0:55:53.960 --> 0:55:56.759 you know, sort of a we try. We hire the 0:55:56.840 --> 0:56:00.960 right people, we hold them accountable, we give them autonomy 0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:02.600 and don't treat them like children, like we have to 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:04.640 be looking over the cube ball at them at all times. 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:09.480 All state insurance went entirely remote, and so there's it's 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:14.040 we're there's going to be I think that the bottom 0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:17.600 line here is one size doesn't fit all. And so 0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:20.440 of course you know your people who work in your 0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:23.160 stores and your manufacturing facilities, of course they have to 0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:25.880 be have to be there. And so but I think 0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:28.239 where we start to lose it is we start to say, okay, well, 0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:31.319 because our people in the stores have to be there, 0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:33.080 all of you have to be in the office. And 0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:36.560 that's comparing apples and oranges. If people will take those 0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:38.640 jobs in stores, they know they have to be in 0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:41.239 the stores, But what are you really doing in terms 0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:44.640 of your corporate staff and administration? And I think it's 0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:47.319 going to be interesting to follow because Elon Musk tried 0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:49.799 that and went back the other way. He came back 0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:52.240 on it and said okay, because he started losing talent 0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:56.240 like really fast because recruiters got on LinkedIn, other companies 0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:58.480 got on LinkedIn, just start picking off his best talent. 0:56:59.120 --> 0:57:00.920 We're not going to make you. We're not going to 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:02.640 make you come in five days a week, and so 0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:06.560 he had to backtrack that. And so sometimes what's happening 0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:09.799 behind the scenes is they backtrack on that. But that's 0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:12.960 never an announcement, that's not a clickable link. Oh you know, 0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:16.360 they backtrack. Kroger backtracks and now people can work remotely. 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:19.280 You'll never hear that. So if that happens, it will 0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:23.160 be on an exception basis. It will happen department by departments. 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:25.760 But I think you know it's it's I've seen in 0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:28.240 some companies they say, well, this department, we had to 0:57:28.320 --> 0:57:30.480 let them do that because they were going to lose 0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:32.840 all their talent. Well no, dah, you know, I mean 0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:35.080 it's we're in a different world right now, and we 0:57:35.280 --> 0:57:38.600 can't do it the way boomers, myself included a net 0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:41.520 group used to do it, because it's not only was 0:57:41.600 --> 0:57:43.600 it not necessarily the right way then, but it was 0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:44.400 the only way then. 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:44.920 It's all we do. 0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:47.160 We're in a different place right now. We have to 0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:49.840 look differently at how we manage people. Just because it 0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:51.880 worked for you doesn't mean it can work forever or 0:57:51.960 --> 0:57:55.720 it works for everyone, especially with women outcasing, men graduating 0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:58.880 from college going into the workforce. We have to we 0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:02.120 have to start doing things, being open to trying things. 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:02.720 Shall I say? 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:06.280 All right, there's an issue of trust here. 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:10.400 So I'd imagine there are many people betrayed because they're told, hey, 0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:13.160 remote work, COVID comes along, it's permanent, now it's long term, 0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:15.880 And so they make these huge life decisions. You may 0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:20.320 move to a different city, you may obsorb some caregiving responsibility, 0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:22.560 how you bought a home in a different area, and 0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:24.320 all of a sudden, I a're like, okay, never mind, 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:27.240 that's over. Now you're got to come back. Don't you 0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:28.640 lose all your trust? Would that work for us? 0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:33.400 Yes? And we wonder why when you look at how 0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:37.760 people feel about their employer, trust is at a very 0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:42.560 very is it a very low this belief that I'm 0:58:42.640 --> 0:58:45.400 supposed to give one hundred and twenty percent for my employer, 0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:48.000 but I know that I can be laid off at 0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:51.440 any moments, or they can change the rules. They can, 0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:54.560 of course they can, but don't don't do that and 0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:57.760 then expect your people to operate with one hundred percent loyalty. 0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:00.680 It's not a thing in the employment relationship. 0:59:03.160 --> 0:59:05.160 It is not a thing in the employment raiser because 0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:06.919 you're like, well, this is this is kind of dumb, 0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:11.120 but you know, I and Kroger's still a great company obviously, 0:59:11.240 --> 0:59:13.960 but you got to wonder about the message it sends. 0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:15.640 And of course this gives lead way to the other 0:59:15.680 --> 0:59:17.120 employees go, well Kroger's doing it. 0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:19.280 Yeah. 0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:22.640 Yeah, talk to your HR people about talk to your recruiters, 0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:26.120 your people who are responsible for hiring in your corporate offices, 0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:29.000 and ask them what they're seeing in terms of what 0:59:29.080 --> 0:59:31.480 people want. If people say a lot of times it'll 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:34.480 say remote or hybrid. But then when you when you 0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:36.680 have an interview, it's like, well we really want you 0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:39.440 to okay, you know, I mean and so there's bait 0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:42.520 and switch going on on job boards as well. So no, 0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:45.880 the trust between employer and employee, no, you know, I 0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:49.919 think it goes both ways. Well, the CEO of AT 0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:52.960 and T took some heat for saying, you know, two 0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:55.320 weeks pay for two weeks work, no loyalty. 0:59:55.920 --> 0:59:59.120 Well you know, okay, that's kind of the way it 0:59:59.200 --> 0:59:59.520 ought to be. 0:59:59.600 --> 1:00:02.240 Frankly, yeah, yeah, that's it. I get a check, here's 1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:04.080 what you pay me to do. And you know, if 1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:05.560 you want to buff and beyond, it will cost you more. 1:00:05.600 --> 1:00:06.920 If not, then pay good luck with it. 1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:08.480 Julie Yeah. 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:10.960 I think the element here too is it's like, if 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:13.120 you're doing this some people are a lot of the 1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:14.840 people coming back, it's going to feel like you're going 1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:17.480 to get a pay cut. Let me explain, you now 1:00:17.640 --> 1:00:21.040 have to commute. That's an expense. There, You got that 1:00:21.160 --> 1:00:25.880 expense parking, transit or gas. You got to have the wardrobe, 1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:27.680 so that's going to cost your money. You're probably gonna 1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:29.960 eat out a few more times. That's going to cause childcare. 1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:32.600 That's a significant pay cut, isn't it. 1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:33.919 Yep? Yep. 1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:39.040 And so you can decide Amazon or Google are one 1:00:39.080 --> 1:00:41.760 of those companies that people just went not so. JP 1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:44.560 Morgan like signing a petition blah blah blah, and Jamie 1:00:44.640 --> 1:00:46.800 Diame is like, you know, you can shove that petition 1:00:46.840 --> 1:00:49.640 because it ain't changing. So you can. You can make 1:00:49.720 --> 1:00:53.400 your thoughts known where you are interesting and but then 1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:57.680 you are, you have free will. You can also go 1:00:57.840 --> 1:01:00.360 work elsewhere. And because the job market is what it is, 1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:03.400 there's some betting on the side of employers that you're 1:01:03.480 --> 1:01:06.160 just gonna keep your rear end right in that chair 1:01:06.600 --> 1:01:08.640 because you don't have any of your options. That's not 1:01:08.840 --> 1:01:12.280 necessarily true. But when the job market picks back up again, 1:01:13.080 --> 1:01:15.240 and it will, those are going to be the first 1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:15.800 people to leave. 1:01:16.080 --> 1:01:16.720 Yeah, gotcha. 1:01:16.800 --> 1:01:19.400 She's Julie Bowki, our career shrip on the Scotslan Show 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:21.480 every Wednesday morning. She and your team ready to go 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:24.520 to work for you. And that's Deboukigroup dot com be 1:01:24.680 --> 1:01:28.320 a uk. E have a great week. We'll chat next Wednesday. 1:01:29.520 --> 1:01:31.280 All right, be well, take care. News on the way 1:01:31.280 --> 1:01:33.920 in just minutes. Council Member Mark Jeffers is here. I 1:01:34.040 --> 1:01:36.600 fully believe in tipping the hat and giving credit where 1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:40.800 credits due. Last year tore apart the city of Cincinnati 1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:44.760 for it's a businal response to the January snowstorm, much 1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:47.960 much different months later. We'll get to him about that, 1:01:48.000 --> 1:01:49.960 and what else do you expect about this as well? 1:01:50.000 --> 1:01:52.760 And how well it went with the new services plan 1:01:53.400 --> 1:01:56.600 in place to battle the snow. Now that we're beyond it, 1:01:56.760 --> 1:01:58.320 kind of look back and see how it went. Just 1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:00.960 ahead seven hundred WLW. Do you want to be an 1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:05.280 American idiot? It's got a flood show on seven hundred 1:02:05.440 --> 1:02:09.400 w WELW Cincinnati. We got what two to four to 1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:11.720 five some areas even a little bit more than five 1:02:11.760 --> 1:02:14.000 five and a half inches of snow this week and 1:02:14.880 --> 1:02:17.160 CBG's had a daily record, so we got a record 1:02:17.160 --> 1:02:18.720 amount of snow in one day this early in the 1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:23.880 season compared to last year where it was an unmitigated 1:02:24.080 --> 1:02:27.400 snow disaster simply because well we didn't have enough plouse. 1:02:27.720 --> 1:02:30.560 There was confusion to lack of communication. There were streets 1:02:30.600 --> 1:02:33.520 admittedly weeks later that went unplowed and said well, you're 1:02:33.560 --> 1:02:36.320 just gonna have to deal with it. Changes were made 1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:39.200 and happy to report, and we love to celebrate the 1:02:39.240 --> 1:02:41.160 wins we do because I love to criticize, but I 1:02:41.200 --> 1:02:42.920 also love to tip the cap and go, hey, you know, 1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:46.120 and we did good this time. Good for you would 1:02:46.120 --> 1:02:49.040 be the city getting the snow removed and what most 1:02:49.040 --> 1:02:51.000 people would say is a reasonable amount of time and 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:53.320 a good job done by all. Mark Jeffreys's council member 1:02:53.360 --> 1:02:56.960 sits on the Infrastructure Committee and has sweated over this 1:02:57.080 --> 1:02:59.160 for the better part of a year now, since last 1:02:59.240 --> 1:03:02.440 January when we had the snow mageddon that caused so 1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:04.280 much angst in pain. Mark, welcome back or. 1:03:04.240 --> 1:03:08.800 Are you doing well, thanks Scott, Yes, sir, so eighty. 1:03:08.600 --> 1:03:11.040 Snowplod trucks, twelve hour shifts. You got it done. 1:03:11.080 --> 1:03:12.880 I was mentioned earlier in the show was talking to 1:03:12.920 --> 1:03:15.560 someone from Price Hill and said, we haven't had our 1:03:15.600 --> 1:03:18.560 side streets cleared when snow like this in probably a 1:03:18.680 --> 1:03:21.880 decade or more. And I was happy when I came 1:03:21.920 --> 1:03:24.040 out and got back home after work and saw that 1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:26.880 the roads were cleared. Couldn't believe it. Took pictures and 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:30.800 posted it that when you hear that kind of feedback, 1:03:31.560 --> 1:03:33.120 you deserve a pat on the back for a job 1:03:33.200 --> 1:03:33.600 well done. 1:03:34.840 --> 1:03:37.560 Well, look what I would say is leadership matters, and 1:03:37.720 --> 1:03:40.360 we have a new leader in Department of Public Works, 1:03:40.480 --> 1:03:43.120 this guy Mark Riley came in and at the end 1:03:43.160 --> 1:03:45.600 of the day, I mean, by seventeen years of PFG, 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:47.920 I learned, you know, there's input, measures and output, and 1:03:48.000 --> 1:03:50.959 the output that we only care about is it snow 1:03:51.120 --> 1:03:52.080 removed quickly? 1:03:52.800 --> 1:03:54.480 Is it all the rugues cleared? 1:03:54.960 --> 1:03:56.800 You know, But a lot of the stuff that he did, 1:03:56.840 --> 1:04:00.760 his input really mattered, Like bringing in new technology baffled 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:03.000 all of our minds that you know. It was like 1:04:03.080 --> 1:04:04.960 going on a road trip back in the seventies and 1:04:05.000 --> 1:04:07.360 eighties where you had the paper maps. People had paper 1:04:07.440 --> 1:04:08.440 maps until last. 1:04:08.320 --> 1:04:10.680 Year for doing snow removal. 1:04:10.760 --> 1:04:15.040 So now we've got all of the trucks outfitted with iPads, 1:04:15.080 --> 1:04:16.720 so they have the technology, they know where to go, 1:04:16.920 --> 1:04:18.560 what's been treated, what hasn't been treated. 1:04:19.200 --> 1:04:21.840 He mapped all the routes, which you know before we. 1:04:21.960 --> 1:04:24.600 Learned last year that some of the streets were just 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:29.040 not in the maps, which is mind boggling. 1:04:29.800 --> 1:04:33.360 So hence all the streets were cleared. He pre treated. 1:04:33.560 --> 1:04:36.440 Another insight, which makes total sense, is look, these storms 1:04:36.520 --> 1:04:39.000 move west to east, so he pretreats west to east. 1:04:39.240 --> 1:04:42.200 Makes complete sense, to the west side before you do 1:04:42.320 --> 1:04:45.640 the far east regions, because that's how the snow is 1:04:45.680 --> 1:04:45.920 going to. 1:04:45.920 --> 1:04:46.600 Move, you know. 1:04:46.680 --> 1:04:49.920 So all of these things, you know, leveraging new technologies, 1:04:50.040 --> 1:04:53.560 weather stations, drones, I think they're the right things to do. 1:04:53.880 --> 1:04:57.040 And ultimately the only thing that really matters are whether 1:04:57.120 --> 1:04:59.280 the roads are cleared in a reasonable amount of time, 1:04:59.320 --> 1:05:01.560 and in this case, you know, they certainly were. So 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:05.760 Kudo's the new director and the administration for really putting 1:05:05.840 --> 1:05:08.680 in a lot of the work and training people. They 1:05:08.720 --> 1:05:11.600 had obstacle courses where they were training the you know, 1:05:11.680 --> 1:05:13.880 the drivers to make sure they knew how to drive 1:05:14.040 --> 1:05:16.480 down these small streets and you. 1:05:16.520 --> 1:05:18.800 Know they put in the work and it really, it really. 1:05:18.640 --> 1:05:22.520 Matters good to see. So ten years ago, my little 1:05:22.560 --> 1:05:25.520 brother moved from Clifton out west but lived in Clifton 1:05:25.960 --> 1:05:28.520 on a hilly street. Is most streets in Clifton are 1:05:28.560 --> 1:05:31.320 pretty hilly, and as long as you lived in that house, 1:05:32.120 --> 1:05:35.400 most of the people on that street, unless they had 1:05:35.440 --> 1:05:37.560 a really really good vehicle or the way, literally would 1:05:37.600 --> 1:05:41.240 be stuck home and couldn't go to work because they 1:05:41.240 --> 1:05:42.840 couldn't get out of the driveway. And that went on 1:05:42.960 --> 1:05:44.720 for the years that he lived there in Clifton, and 1:05:44.800 --> 1:05:47.280 I thought, what an abysmal failure. And I talked to 1:05:47.360 --> 1:05:49.040 some people, are like, yeah, it's just that's the way 1:05:49.080 --> 1:05:50.880 it is. We don't have the equipment to get down 1:05:50.920 --> 1:05:54.600 these streets. Somebody hears that and they see what's happening now, 1:05:54.880 --> 1:05:56.760 and I think they're thankful for the. 1:05:56.880 --> 1:05:59.080 Leadership we have. As you said, it's a leadership issue. 1:05:59.440 --> 1:06:01.280 I guess the big question would be looking back, and 1:06:01.320 --> 1:06:04.080 maybe you studied this, maybe it didn't well before your time, 1:06:04.120 --> 1:06:07.240 but how did the city get that neglected for that 1:06:07.400 --> 1:06:09.280 long a period of time, and seemingly no one in 1:06:09.360 --> 1:06:10.160 leadership cares. 1:06:10.240 --> 1:06:11.600 I mean, how did we get to this point? 1:06:12.840 --> 1:06:15.760 Yeah, I mean they'd pointed out yesterday we were one 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:18.439 hundred and twenty five more people TECH twenty years ago 1:06:18.760 --> 1:06:20.320 in Department of Public Works. 1:06:20.480 --> 1:06:22.800 So you might ask yourself, why is it that we're 1:06:22.840 --> 1:06:24.920 not doing as much literc cleanup. Well, we have a 1:06:24.960 --> 1:06:27.800 lot for people. So these things gradually over time. 1:06:27.840 --> 1:06:29.840 It's kind of the boiling frogs Inrome, right, you know, 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:32.560 you just find you're like, all right, this happens. This happens, 1:06:32.600 --> 1:06:34.440 you make little decisions before we know it. You have 1:06:34.560 --> 1:06:37.680 this massive issue, you know, and I think, look, I 1:06:37.760 --> 1:06:40.840 mean even last year, I live in a small side 1:06:40.880 --> 1:06:43.120 street in Clifton and it is hilly, and I could 1:06:43.200 --> 1:06:45.080 not get up my hill. And on the fourth day 1:06:45.400 --> 1:06:48.160 of the storm, I eventually called to PS. I'm like, look, 1:06:48.240 --> 1:06:49.840 I'm not going to be you know, one of those 1:06:49.880 --> 1:06:51.880 CONSO members to get out there and say I need 1:06:51.960 --> 1:06:54.200 my street cloud because it's a small resident. But by 1:06:54.240 --> 1:06:56.000 the fourth day and I couldn't even get back and forth. 1:06:56.080 --> 1:06:59.600 This is ridiculous. And so this time one hundred percent cleared. 1:07:00.200 --> 1:07:04.160 Last year in January, all of us were getting texts complaining, rightfully, 1:07:04.760 --> 1:07:06.720 this time I was getting text you know, saying hey, 1:07:06.760 --> 1:07:08.280 look we can played last year, but thank you. 1:07:08.880 --> 1:07:12.080 So you know, you you they put. 1:07:11.960 --> 1:07:15.000 In the work. You know, it's like a professional sports team, right, 1:07:15.160 --> 1:07:17.680 you know, they did all the training and then ultimately 1:07:17.760 --> 1:07:20.040 what ultimately matters is how you perform in the field. 1:07:20.240 --> 1:07:22.160 Yeah, what do you Mark? 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:25.360 There's there's a corollary here. I think I mentioned it 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:28.120 was crime too because it fits the same, uh same. 1:07:28.400 --> 1:07:30.040 I've used the crime as an example. I think it's 1:07:30.040 --> 1:07:32.920 true of streets so long ago. We had the riots 1:07:32.920 --> 1:07:35.560 of two thousand and one and civil and arrest of course, 1:07:35.560 --> 1:07:37.200 and we had to rethink how we did policing. We 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:40.560 did the uh uh, we did the agreement with the 1:07:41.320 --> 1:07:42.640 collaborate agreement with the feds. 1:07:43.040 --> 1:07:43.120 Uh. 1:07:43.240 --> 1:07:45.720 And at one point we were the literally the darling 1:07:45.920 --> 1:07:48.800 of the policing community, where we had you know, White 1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:51.360 House attorneys and people from the FBI, and they're from 1:07:51.360 --> 1:07:53.200 the government coming in to Cincinnati learn how we're doing 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:56.560 it here in community policing. And I think what happens 1:07:56.640 --> 1:07:58.320 is and government your rust out your laws and go okay, 1:07:58.360 --> 1:08:00.600 well everything crimes do, everything's good, and then you take 1:08:00.640 --> 1:08:02.680 the money that's Earmark for that and said, well, why 1:08:02.680 --> 1:08:04.640 are we spending money on a problem we solved. We're 1:08:04.680 --> 1:08:06.840 going to spend it on something else, something new and shiny. 1:08:07.160 --> 1:08:09.880 You neglect it, And well, as a result, crime comes 1:08:09.960 --> 1:08:14.200 back in and we're seeing levels because of the lack 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:17.400 of attention to detail, We're seeing those levels go back again, 1:08:17.479 --> 1:08:20.200 and problems we thought we solved are now coming back 1:08:20.240 --> 1:08:23.120 to roost. I think it's probably the same with snow removal, right, 1:08:23.160 --> 1:08:25.479 It's like, hey, we're doing really good job. Let's just 1:08:25.520 --> 1:08:27.040 take the money and spend it on something else because 1:08:27.040 --> 1:08:29.760 we're doing a good job instead of continuing the care 1:08:29.880 --> 1:08:30.760 and nurture and feed it. 1:08:32.120 --> 1:08:32.320 Yeah. 1:08:32.320 --> 1:08:34.040 I mean, look, I mean, as you well know, we 1:08:34.160 --> 1:08:37.200 have a lot of competing priorities in city, right, public safety, 1:08:37.400 --> 1:08:38.799 you know, basic public services. 1:08:39.280 --> 1:08:41.479 You know our parks and our rec centers and. 1:08:41.680 --> 1:08:44.120 You know all of those things, and so it's always 1:08:44.160 --> 1:08:45.880 trying to figure out what is the biggest priority. But 1:08:46.080 --> 1:08:49.680 the priority always has to be on basic safety and 1:08:49.800 --> 1:08:54.519 delivering core city services, picking up the trash, paving the roads, 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:58.479 filling the potholes, clearing the snow, keeping people safe like 1:08:58.840 --> 1:08:59.600 that has to. 1:08:59.640 --> 1:09:02.680 Be and out always the number one priority. 1:09:02.400 --> 1:09:04.840 Before you go off and do something else, you know, 1:09:04.880 --> 1:09:06.200 I mean I learned that at P and G. It's 1:09:06.200 --> 1:09:08.160 like you can have this, you know, great new. 1:09:08.080 --> 1:09:10.960 Innovation that's all up here in the clouds, you. 1:09:11.000 --> 1:09:13.720 Know, but if you're not delivering your core business, you know, 1:09:13.840 --> 1:09:15.840 what you're what you were about. 1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:17.320 Then everything else is meaningless. 1:09:17.360 --> 1:09:19.800 And so for us, our core is just that basic 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:22.960 public service, basic needs. So you know, that's where we'll 1:09:23.000 --> 1:09:23.679 remain focused. 1:09:23.720 --> 1:09:24.920 And you know, on public. 1:09:24.680 --> 1:09:27.360 Safety, look, we just gave you know, CPD the largest 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:30.400 rays in forty years, you know, the lastation because we 1:09:30.479 --> 1:09:33.479 want we have to retain and recruit new officers. You know, 1:09:33.600 --> 1:09:36.760 we've authorized four x you know, two x more new 1:09:36.840 --> 1:09:39.560 recruit classes. We have to continue to put uh you know, 1:09:39.680 --> 1:09:42.280 put new officers on the street. And that's the investment 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:44.040 we need to continue to make in the next coumple 1:09:44.040 --> 1:09:44.400 of years. 1:09:44.600 --> 1:09:47.320 Yeah, Cosmember Mark jeffrees On a little victory lap here 1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:50.559 after the successful snow removally Austria. It wasn't entirely perfect 1:09:50.600 --> 1:09:53.880 for sure, but a far site better than we were 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:55.520 a year ago, and that should be applauded. 1:09:55.560 --> 1:09:57.800 I believe when you look at this and you know you. 1:09:58.120 --> 1:10:01.439 Hear stories from individuals, and I mentioned a couple of 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:04.080 people you talked to some folks, maybe that many per 1:10:04.439 --> 1:10:06.639 What what metrics do you look at after this was done? 1:10:06.640 --> 1:10:09.479 When you had the meeting yesterday and infrastructure about this 1:10:09.680 --> 1:10:12.680 and is there actual data out there showing that we 1:10:12.800 --> 1:10:14.599 improved significantly year over year? 1:10:15.640 --> 1:10:17.880 Yeah, I asked that question yesterday and as part of 1:10:17.920 --> 1:10:20.560 our budget process will formalize it, Like what is the 1:10:20.680 --> 1:10:23.960 key performance indicator the KPI? You know, and it should 1:10:24.000 --> 1:10:27.720 be how quickly snow was removed? Like, ultimately that's the 1:10:27.800 --> 1:10:31.400 only thing you ultimately care about shore. Are people showing up, 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:32.479 are you fully staffed? 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:34.280 Are you know, do you have the right parts? 1:10:34.320 --> 1:10:38.960 All those things are important, But the only service clearing 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:42.640 the roads more quickly. And so I think you know 1:10:42.760 --> 1:10:44.559 right now we've said, hey, they need to be cleared 1:10:44.560 --> 1:10:48.080 within forty eight hours, and I think we hit that 1:10:48.320 --> 1:10:48.680 this time. 1:10:48.800 --> 1:10:50.080 Obviously, you know what happened to. 1:10:50.120 --> 1:10:53.720 Jenny Org It was a lot more severe storm, you know, so, 1:10:54.520 --> 1:10:56.800 but we need to the other thing I appreciate is, look, 1:10:57.000 --> 1:10:58.519 I mean you said yesterday it used to be ten 1:10:58.600 --> 1:11:01.840 years ago that snow urgencies were all hands on deck 1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:03.840 across the city, and we're going back to that. I 1:11:03.840 --> 1:11:05.800 don't know why we ever went away from that, you know, 1:11:05.920 --> 1:11:08.920 because it makes absolutely no sense to staff up our 1:11:08.960 --> 1:11:12.280 Department of Public Works for a once every five years 1:11:12.400 --> 1:11:14.639 or ten years storm. What you could do is pull 1:11:14.720 --> 1:11:17.720 staff from you know, a wreck center or parks or 1:11:17.760 --> 1:11:20.280 other places where they can fill in where you need 1:11:20.360 --> 1:11:23.360 extra bodies, which makes little sense. What I would also 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:25.840 say Scott is like, I really appreciate the wreck rally 1:11:25.880 --> 1:11:28.280 getting out ahead of some of the pothole issues too. 1:11:28.720 --> 1:11:33.599 So he is proposing buying this pothole patcher And basically 1:11:33.680 --> 1:11:35.880 what it is it allows one person to operate it 1:11:36.040 --> 1:11:39.000 versus four, so you have you've freed up three other 1:11:39.000 --> 1:11:42.880 people's time to go else on potholes or whatever, and 1:11:43.040 --> 1:11:45.960 you can fill one hundred potholes per day, so you're 1:11:46.000 --> 1:11:46.800 filling a lot more. 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:50.679 It's automating it with a lot fewer people, which allows 1:11:50.760 --> 1:11:53.640 you to do more with you know, with less. 1:11:53.800 --> 1:11:56.519 So really appreciate that because that's going to be the 1:11:56.600 --> 1:11:59.920 next challenge we have right after these snow emergencies. You know, 1:12:00.080 --> 1:12:02.800 we always have potholes and getting ahead of that it's 1:12:02.840 --> 1:12:03.439 going to be important. 1:12:03.479 --> 1:12:05.599 Yeah, and the technology helps too. You need less manpower 1:12:05.680 --> 1:12:08.040 because it's a one person operation. Now you get four 1:12:08.040 --> 1:12:10.200 of those units. You got four people out there filling potholes, 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:13.040 and uh now you you know it's a force multiplier, 1:12:13.120 --> 1:12:15.040 which I think people listening go, Okay, that's a good 1:12:15.040 --> 1:12:17.000 spending money right there, let's do that kind of stuff. 1:12:17.400 --> 1:12:17.479 Uh. 1:12:17.600 --> 1:12:19.600 You got the pause where I know that the snowplow 1:12:20.360 --> 1:12:22.760 tracker failed and I got in yesterday morning and in 1:12:22.840 --> 1:12:25.400 the snowstorm, and uh so I don't see how they're doing. 1:12:25.479 --> 1:12:27.400 And of course I got the black screen of death 1:12:27.439 --> 1:12:30.160 and went, oh my god, really you got uh but 1:12:30.439 --> 1:12:32.320 you know it was because so many people were looking 1:12:32.360 --> 1:12:35.160 at it. But you know, you go, well, we weren't 1:12:35.160 --> 1:12:39.200 expecting as many people. Well the I guess maybe the 1:12:39.240 --> 1:12:41.160 way to if ore to poke holes in anything, go, well, 1:12:41.720 --> 1:12:43.840 you guys, advertise a hell out of this. You knew 1:12:43.840 --> 1:12:46.000 people were upset about the streets being plowed. They're going 1:12:46.080 --> 1:12:48.960 to check this thing. Uh, it was allegedly stressed as 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:50.920 it didn't work out. How do we not repeat this 1:12:51.000 --> 1:12:52.840 next time we had a significant snowfall. 1:12:52.920 --> 1:12:53.639 One hundred percent. 1:12:53.720 --> 1:12:55.559 I know that they're doing kind of an after action 1:12:55.720 --> 1:12:58.720 review this week on it to figure that out, you know. 1:12:58.800 --> 1:13:00.879 I mean, look, it comes back to put out with measures. 1:13:00.920 --> 1:13:02.960 The thing that people really care about is when I 1:13:03.080 --> 1:13:05.360 leave my house, is my street clean so I can 1:13:05.360 --> 1:13:07.479 get to the hospital or a job, or do my 1:13:07.600 --> 1:13:08.280 kids to school. 1:13:08.720 --> 1:13:09.599 That's the ultimate thing. 1:13:09.880 --> 1:13:13.360 The tracker is important and it's helpful for people to see, 1:13:14.280 --> 1:13:16.880 and we have to fix it and we will and 1:13:17.120 --> 1:13:19.519 it you know, it needs to be stress tested, you know. 1:13:19.600 --> 1:13:21.519 But ultimately the thing that people care about at the 1:13:21.600 --> 1:13:23.640 end of the day is just clear my clear, my 1:13:23.840 --> 1:13:25.479 m street, you know, so I can get to where 1:13:25.520 --> 1:13:25.920 I need to go. 1:13:26.240 --> 1:13:26.400 Yeah. 1:13:26.439 --> 1:13:27.840 I mean if you look at it and every street 1:13:27.920 --> 1:13:29.400 is clear to except yours, it's just going to take 1:13:29.439 --> 1:13:32.559 you off. But I think it's a great tactile thing, 1:13:32.640 --> 1:13:35.200 you know. You it makes sense you look at and go, wow, Okay, 1:13:35.280 --> 1:13:37.639 they've done a lot of streets. Maybe mine is next 1:13:38.000 --> 1:13:40.800 residence in and there guessing as to when it made manut. 1:13:40.840 --> 1:13:43.800 But the best advertise you can have for the new 1:13:43.880 --> 1:13:46.920 system you put in place totally, no, one hundred percent. 1:13:47.080 --> 1:13:48.080 I mean, there's a role for it. 1:13:48.200 --> 1:13:51.439 It allows people to be informed so they can see, 1:13:51.600 --> 1:13:54.920 you know, where streets are or are not clear and 1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:57.360 you need to a make sure that it's accurate. 1:13:57.479 --> 1:13:59.960 Last year was not accurate, and now it's accurate. 1:14:00.320 --> 1:14:02.040 And then b we need to make sure they have 1:14:02.240 --> 1:14:04.720 enough room in the server to, you know, for to 1:14:05.120 --> 1:14:06.000 handle the demands. 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:09.040 And I think Fisher learned the lesson there. 1:14:09.080 --> 1:14:11.320 Would you agree that the one of the biggest problems 1:14:11.360 --> 1:14:13.120 of this whole thing has been communication? 1:14:15.240 --> 1:14:16.000 Yeah, I mean community. 1:14:16.200 --> 1:14:17.880 Well, I mean, at the end of the day, I 1:14:18.280 --> 1:14:19.920 don't know if I would agree. I think last and 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:22.280 last Yearanuary, the issue was we just didn't get the 1:14:22.360 --> 1:14:26.200 job done. You know, it starts there, like we did 1:14:26.240 --> 1:14:29.200 not plow the streets, you know quick enough. We did 1:14:29.240 --> 1:14:31.519 not plow all the streets, And the reason were all 1:14:31.560 --> 1:14:34.080 these other you know issues, paper maps and all the 1:14:34.120 --> 1:14:35.400 streets weren't mapped, et cetera. 1:14:35.479 --> 1:14:37.559 So that I think was the biggest issue. 1:14:38.360 --> 1:14:41.320 Now that we would through this new director, it looks like, 1:14:41.360 --> 1:14:44.400 all right, we've got our act together, We've done this work, 1:14:44.600 --> 1:14:48.080 we're actually executing. Now we have to like communicate effectively, 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:51.800 make sure we're communicating what we're doing, uh, and make 1:14:51.840 --> 1:14:54.479 sure people understand where they can get information. 1:14:54.640 --> 1:14:56.040 Well, on that point, I mean, one of the easiest 1:14:56.040 --> 1:14:58.160 ways to communicate pop but obviously social media it had 1:14:58.200 --> 1:14:59.920 been easy to put out and we didn't maybe did 1:15:00.160 --> 1:15:02.439 after the fact that we were looking like there's nothing 1:15:02.560 --> 1:15:05.000 on there from the mayor's feed or anyone else, saying, hey, 1:15:05.520 --> 1:15:07.800 well the system is overwhelmed. Right now, this is why 1:15:07.840 --> 1:15:10.000 you're not saying we're treating streets et cetera, et cetera. 1:15:10.080 --> 1:15:11.439 And that wasn't dime. I mean, that seems like an 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:12.000 easy one to do. 1:15:13.479 --> 1:15:16.040 Yeah, no, we need to communicate that right when it happens. 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:18.120 I mean, I believe in proactive communication. 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:23.160 If something goes right, communicated, If something goes wrong, communicated. 1:15:23.160 --> 1:15:25.040 And that's where you know, look, I said this yesterday. 1:15:25.439 --> 1:15:28.200 I have to give you know, I give the administration 1:15:28.400 --> 1:15:32.479 credit doing this review of saying this is where we failed, 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:35.640 because it's not easy. We live very public jobs. You 1:15:35.680 --> 1:15:37.080 know a lot of people have a private job. You 1:15:37.160 --> 1:15:39.400 work in a restaurant or an office, and you know, 1:15:39.439 --> 1:15:42.960 if you fail, the world to know about it, you know, 1:15:43.080 --> 1:15:44.720 kudos to them. Like, the only way to make it 1:15:44.880 --> 1:15:47.640 right is to own up to what you did and 1:15:48.040 --> 1:15:50.799 where you did not do well so that we can improve. 1:15:51.000 --> 1:15:53.240 And we did that, and then now you know, it 1:15:53.400 --> 1:15:55.400 looks like we've taken it to heart and we've we've 1:15:55.439 --> 1:15:56.160 definitely improved. 1:15:56.200 --> 1:15:58.559 And make sure I bring that up. 1:15:58.479 --> 1:16:01.400 Too, because it again, this isn't a vacumens it's the 1:16:01.439 --> 1:16:03.160 crime issue too, And there were times where there was 1:16:03.200 --> 1:16:05.840 no communication from the administration about what was happening, and 1:16:06.240 --> 1:16:07.800 it was a it was a big concern for people 1:16:07.880 --> 1:16:09.960 in a day and age when it's been easier than 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:12.120 ever before to communicate and get your message out. 1:16:13.320 --> 1:16:13.519 Yeah. 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:16.519 Look, I mean expectations have changed, right, you know, we're 1:16:16.800 --> 1:16:20.120 not the pony Express. When people express here here, you know, 1:16:20.200 --> 1:16:23.320 get something a couple of days later. When something happens, 1:16:23.760 --> 1:16:26.280 you know, often people need I mean people need to. 1:16:26.320 --> 1:16:28.080 Know right away, you know. 1:16:28.280 --> 1:16:30.680 And it's just the nature of the world that we 1:16:30.760 --> 1:16:32.880 live in, and understandably they expect them. 1:16:33.240 --> 1:16:33.439 Yeah. 1:16:34.040 --> 1:16:35.880 All right, so people hear this are going great, But 1:16:36.000 --> 1:16:38.280 in the future, if my road isn't plowed, what's my recourse? 1:16:40.200 --> 1:16:43.040 Yeah, I mean the first is, uh, you know, reach out. 1:16:43.080 --> 1:16:45.320 I mean, reach out to your councilor verse, you know. Frankly, 1:16:45.600 --> 1:16:47.880 I mean that's what we did last year. I had 1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:51.200 countless people who emailed me, texted me and said, hey, 1:16:51.240 --> 1:16:53.320 my road's not cloud and then we're painting the ass 1:16:53.360 --> 1:16:55.800 and then we figure out like, okay, where did the 1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:58.519 system go wrong? And that's where we really need to 1:16:58.680 --> 1:17:01.080 because success I always say for me, I'm out of 1:17:01.120 --> 1:17:04.599 here in eight years maximum, right, because we were term limitted. 1:17:05.040 --> 1:17:06.760 And success is not that I'm just a pain in 1:17:06.760 --> 1:17:09.479 the butt enough to like when I'm gone, then it 1:17:09.600 --> 1:17:10.439 goes back to failure. 1:17:10.560 --> 1:17:12.599 Success is a change the system. 1:17:13.080 --> 1:17:14.960 And so if your street is not plowed, let us 1:17:15.040 --> 1:17:18.040 know so that we can understand why where the system failed, 1:17:18.280 --> 1:17:19.400 so we can fix the system. 1:17:19.520 --> 1:17:21.799 So long after all of us are gone, the system 1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:22.919 is running more effectively. 1:17:23.000 --> 1:17:25.880 Yeah, and it seems like, yes, it's very successful in 1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:28.240 the rollout, and we'll see again how well we do 1:17:28.360 --> 1:17:30.400 next time around. You're only good as the last crisis 1:17:30.439 --> 1:17:33.080 you've you've been through now at this rate, of course, 1:17:33.600 --> 1:17:35.960 this almost guarantees now, Mark Jeffries, that we will not 1:17:36.000 --> 1:17:39.439 get any more significant snowfall the season. Of course, that's 1:17:39.479 --> 1:17:40.040 that will works. 1:17:41.400 --> 1:17:45.640 The snowfall das right where you right, snowfall. 1:17:45.360 --> 1:17:47.720 Right, kids don't want to hear that, but it's it's 1:17:47.760 --> 1:17:49.320 what it is. He is a council member. 1:17:49.360 --> 1:17:51.400 Mark Jeffreys and the Scots Lund Show on seven hundred 1:17:51.439 --> 1:17:54.760 ww sits on Infrastructure Committee having a meeting yesterday and 1:17:55.320 --> 1:17:58.160 addressing what happened with the two to five snowfall inches 1:17:58.200 --> 1:18:00.840 that we received and a lot don't of course, in 1:18:00.880 --> 1:18:02.479 the overnight hours. I think we had two inches in 1:18:02.520 --> 1:18:04.400 one hour, and of course and when that happens, the 1:18:04.439 --> 1:18:06.559 snowplows can't keep up. And it was one of those 1:18:06.560 --> 1:18:09.439 odd situations where the earlier in the morning you had 1:18:09.560 --> 1:18:11.120 had been on the road, the worst it was, and 1:18:11.160 --> 1:18:13.360 then by you know, seven eight o'clock they were able 1:18:13.400 --> 1:18:15.679 to catch back up, and of course by the commute 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:17.640 home it was fine and actually had a lot of 1:18:17.640 --> 1:18:19.720 the shoulders clean and all the side streets done, which 1:18:19.800 --> 1:18:23.240 is very refreshing considering we were back in January with 1:18:23.320 --> 1:18:25.599 that snowstar Mark all the best, thanks again for jumping 1:18:25.640 --> 1:18:25.960 on the show. 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:28.599 I appreciate you. 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Every big holiday party here 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:07.160 and I heart today we do. 1:19:07.520 --> 1:19:09.960 Sarah will be snorting her way through sports this morning 1:19:10.000 --> 1:19:12.479 here on seven hundred WW, jumping over the kid Chris Show. 1:19:12.479 --> 1:19:15.840 It's US Sports of All Snorts aka the Snort Report, 1:19:15.920 --> 1:19:18.600 talking about sports and social media and the like. And 1:19:18.720 --> 1:19:21.360 I saw you had our good buddy Brendon Sajo, formerly 1:19:21.479 --> 1:19:25.200 of wlw T News five sports. 1:19:25.000 --> 1:19:28.280 Channel five sports reporter, Yeah from Cincinnati, went to LISSU 1:19:28.560 --> 1:19:31.040 and he's in Cincinnati for all of twenty four hours 1:19:31.120 --> 1:19:33.800 and decided to start his time here with Chris and 1:19:33.880 --> 1:19:34.960 I this morning bought that. 1:19:35.160 --> 1:19:36.840 Was also wrong with Tom. He's making the rounds. He 1:19:36.960 --> 1:19:39.080 really shows stuff right now. He's doing well. So it's 1:19:40.080 --> 1:19:42.040 he was on Oprah's podcast yesterday. 1:19:42.360 --> 1:19:44.800 Yeah. So Oprah has a podcast, which I did not 1:19:44.960 --> 1:19:47.080 know about until Brandon started to brok. 1:19:47.439 --> 1:19:48.679 She has a podcast, she has a show. 1:19:48.720 --> 1:19:49.639 Does she need a pun. 1:19:49.880 --> 1:19:52.479 Yeah, she needs all that she needs people doing. 1:19:52.320 --> 1:19:53.920 It for Yeah, I loved it. I'm like this thing 1:19:54.040 --> 1:19:57.320 was over seven hundred thousand subscribers. But yeah, Oprah, she 1:19:57.439 --> 1:20:00.280 had a bunch of men that have podcast on I 1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:03.400 guess talking about men's mental health on there, and so 1:20:03.560 --> 1:20:06.200 Brandon was invited to talk about that and then came 1:20:06.240 --> 1:20:08.559 on our show to talk about the Mental Game podcast 1:20:08.600 --> 1:20:10.120 as well, which is the one that he hosts. 1:20:10.320 --> 1:20:13.040 Nice so good, doing good, doing great. 1:20:13.120 --> 1:20:16.240 So like our buddy, Dave, the producer said, oh, so 1:20:16.400 --> 1:20:18.559 he went from Oprah to EBM this morning. 1:20:19.479 --> 1:20:22.160 It's a little bit of a down dras wake till 1:20:22.240 --> 1:20:22.560 Chris that. 1:20:26.040 --> 1:20:27.679 Yeah, so it was good to have him in this morning. 1:20:27.720 --> 1:20:28.479 What do you think you are? 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:29.200 Gail King? 1:20:30.479 --> 1:20:30.680 You know what? 1:20:30.800 --> 1:20:32.120 He did tell us that he got to talk to 1:20:32.280 --> 1:20:35.920 Gail King too. She was there, I know. Anyway, Oprah 1:20:36.040 --> 1:20:39.160 and Gail, So welcome back Brandon Saho for a day, 1:20:39.200 --> 1:20:42.120 then he gets back out to La So one hundred 1:20:42.120 --> 1:20:45.160 and thirteen days till opening day. If you're tired of 1:20:46.320 --> 1:20:48.760 and you need a little bit of optimism in your life, 1:20:48.800 --> 1:20:49.479 like all right, No. 1:20:49.560 --> 1:20:51.879 The Bengals are not out of it, They're just two games. 1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:51.920 Out of it. 1:20:52.280 --> 1:20:53.920 We're going to get to the Bengals here. We're going 1:20:54.000 --> 1:20:55.680 to start with the Reds and then work our way 1:20:55.720 --> 1:20:57.600 to the Bengals because we do have some things that 1:20:57.680 --> 1:21:01.800 are trending in sports social media here in Cincinnati. That's 1:21:01.800 --> 1:21:05.599 why we're starting with opening days. Let's go, no Reds caravan. 1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:08.320 They made that announcement the other day. I guess it's 1:21:08.400 --> 1:21:11.680 too close to when they're going to be doing the 1:21:12.000 --> 1:21:13.400 Reds Fest in. 1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:16.120 The movement, because the conventions are the first thing they're 1:21:16.160 --> 1:21:16.800 really going to go in. 1:21:17.080 --> 1:21:18.960 This is going to be the first big event happening 1:21:19.120 --> 1:21:22.000 January sixteenth and seventeenth. So they said, you know what, 1:21:22.040 --> 1:21:23.959 this year, we're going to do away with the caravan. 1:21:24.160 --> 1:21:29.000 And uh so Sorrylima, Yeah, everybody, I know, how about this. 1:21:29.080 --> 1:21:31.160 We're going to send Sarah to Lima to entertain that. 1:21:31.680 --> 1:21:32.840 You know what, let's not do that. 1:21:33.040 --> 1:21:34.960 Let's be at the Huntington Town Center. 1:21:35.160 --> 1:21:38.559 You think, are we going to see Saga Clause today 1:21:38.560 --> 1:21:39.080 at this party? 1:21:39.560 --> 1:21:41.160 Of course you will, no, no doubt about it. 1:21:41.600 --> 1:21:42.000 That suit. 1:21:42.120 --> 1:21:43.880 He didn't get a fresh cut, so I think it's 1:21:43.920 --> 1:21:44.360 going down. 1:21:44.920 --> 1:21:47.760 And that's and the Saga Claws suit has not been 1:21:47.920 --> 1:21:49.320 washing the Truman administration. 1:21:49.560 --> 1:21:52.120 Just so you know, chicken in the bocket. 1:21:52.200 --> 1:21:53.840 Oh my guy's got the salmon and the beard. 1:21:54.840 --> 1:21:57.439 Our buddy Tom Brenneman, he's here early for the party, 1:21:57.560 --> 1:22:00.639 for that party, this first year. He goes what I expect. 1:22:00.680 --> 1:22:02.719 I'm like, nothing but a good time, my friend. 1:22:02.840 --> 1:22:05.679 Can we put you down for a the old town 1:22:05.800 --> 1:22:07.320 in the nineties Christmas parties. 1:22:07.320 --> 1:22:08.040 I can tell you that. 1:22:09.640 --> 1:22:11.439 I had you down in the potlock Tom bringing the 1:22:11.479 --> 1:22:12.000 jelly mold. 1:22:12.200 --> 1:22:12.760 Still do that? 1:22:13.560 --> 1:22:14.600 Okay, all right, let's go. 1:22:14.920 --> 1:22:16.320 Yeah, get to cooking Tom. 1:22:17.360 --> 1:22:18.840 Tom and his magic crock pott. 1:22:19.600 --> 1:22:20.160 He's gonna go. 1:22:20.600 --> 1:22:22.400 I could see Tom doing some pretty good start the 1:22:22.479 --> 1:22:25.920 crockpott balls. He comes off like a crockpot kind of 1:22:26.360 --> 1:22:27.960 like he seems. 1:22:27.720 --> 1:22:29.640 Like one of those half assed meat balls with a 1:22:29.720 --> 1:22:30.240 jelly in it. 1:22:31.880 --> 1:22:33.280 Hey, those are some really good apps. 1:22:33.320 --> 1:22:36.320 He put the little tooth picking up damn straight, give 1:22:36.360 --> 1:22:37.920 me a give me a spork. 1:22:37.600 --> 1:22:38.080 And let's go. 1:22:38.320 --> 1:22:39.479 Thank you, thank you. 1:22:40.240 --> 1:22:41.880 So you know that he's you know that he's like 1:22:42.000 --> 1:22:44.200 still new because he's very early to this party. Like 1:22:44.280 --> 1:22:46.479 we saw three hours ago, three o'clock, he's here to 1:22:46.479 --> 1:22:51.280 help set up everybody's actually, everybody hates an ass kisser. 1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:52.280 You got the job. 1:22:52.439 --> 1:22:53.160 Just ride the wake. 1:22:54.320 --> 1:22:56.320 God, the. 1:22:58.360 --> 1:23:03.080 Reds are trending because, according to a recent report from ESPN, 1:23:04.000 --> 1:23:07.800 the Reds are continuing. This is what they say to 1:23:08.040 --> 1:23:16.720 pursue Kyle Schwarberg, the agent. I can't even do it 1:23:16.800 --> 1:23:17.760 with a straight face. 1:23:17.920 --> 1:23:20.919 Sure, what makes like the whole gross domestic product of Cincinnati? 1:23:20.960 --> 1:23:22.360 I think got got that kind of money? 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:23.519 Do we have a chance? 1:23:23.760 --> 1:23:25.960 Ninety nine trillion dollars? 1:23:26.280 --> 1:23:28.880 They're they're only up against the Phillies, the Red Sox, 1:23:28.960 --> 1:23:29.400 and the Mets. 1:23:29.680 --> 1:23:36.320 Yeah, how much of Schwarber one hundred million dollars? What 1:23:36.520 --> 1:23:37.559 was the Reds perrol last year? 1:23:37.560 --> 1:23:41.400 Remember, like a couple of millions. You're gonna have to 1:23:41.479 --> 1:23:46.960 look that up. Yeah, no big deal. Dig deep in 1:23:47.040 --> 1:23:47.759 those pockets. 1:23:47.880 --> 1:23:49.640 Let's got's fifty. 1:23:49.360 --> 1:23:52.559 Six bombs last year? One hundred and thirty two RBIs 1:23:52.600 --> 1:23:52.880 let's go. 1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:55.840 I think they'll come out. Reds will make a tenor 1:23:55.840 --> 1:23:56.559 and offer for him. 1:23:57.479 --> 1:24:01.200 Winter meetings are this weekend in Orlando. My friend, we shall. 1:24:01.240 --> 1:24:03.479 See seventy seventy percent of your budget. 1:24:03.800 --> 1:24:07.320 We could really use his arm. We need a hitter. 1:24:07.880 --> 1:24:10.519 We need someone to hit the damn pearl seventy five 1:24:10.560 --> 1:24:12.439 percent to get one guy. Do you really see is 1:24:12.520 --> 1:24:14.040 that feasible for Cincinnati, Ohio. 1:24:14.720 --> 1:24:16.240 I think anything is possible. 1:24:17.880 --> 1:24:20.800 Pinkle'll take the hometown discount. Okay, I'll do it for 1:24:21.280 --> 1:24:22.120 ninety eight five. 1:24:22.560 --> 1:24:24.880 You know what we almost got. We almost got through 1:24:24.960 --> 1:24:28.320 talking about Kyle Schwarber without bringing up Agam. 1:24:28.520 --> 1:24:32.840 Oh, Marty, Middletown, Oh, Middletown, Sir, It's like they go. 1:24:32.960 --> 1:24:36.200 Hand in hand. Talk to Seg about Kyle Schwarber. He 1:24:36.280 --> 1:24:39.960 can't say his name without bringing up Middletown. Of course, 1:24:41.960 --> 1:24:43.800 he said he's going to drive him to and from 1:24:43.880 --> 1:24:46.360 the stadium. If the runs pick him up, they will. 1:24:47.479 --> 1:24:49.720 And you know what, I believe them. I believe that 1:24:49.760 --> 1:24:52.280 if anyone were to drive Kyle Schwarber around the city, 1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:53.639 it would definitely be said. 1:24:53.760 --> 1:24:55.400 I've seen seg drive before. 1:24:55.479 --> 1:24:57.240 And if he had, if he had a day, a 1:24:57.400 --> 1:24:59.400 night game and then there was get away the next morning, 1:24:59.479 --> 1:25:01.320 he just sleep at the stadium, it'd be faster. Sure, 1:25:01.520 --> 1:25:02.160 it'd be fast. 1:25:02.200 --> 1:25:05.360 For sure, Segould lightown his life for this business man special. 1:25:05.400 --> 1:25:06.960 I'll just sleep at the stadium, and by the time 1:25:07.000 --> 1:25:08.280 I get home and get back, it's. 1:25:08.800 --> 1:25:11.880 Might as well. Kyle Schwarber above everything else, above sleep. 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:14.280 We know that cycle catch up in his little office, 1:25:14.360 --> 1:25:15.360 So I love it. 1:25:15.800 --> 1:25:16.240 I love it. 1:25:17.040 --> 1:25:21.400 Alrighty Aside from the Reds trending, the Bengals not really 1:25:21.479 --> 1:25:24.639 much of an update yesterday except for the iced out 1:25:24.800 --> 1:25:26.879 unis that they're going to wear this weekend in Buffalo. 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:30.880 Nice orange helmets, white jerseys, white pants, black Sociday. There 1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:33.439 we go going to be a cool twenty nine degrees 1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:35.439 in Buffalo. You're going to be there during Sunday. 1:25:35.520 --> 1:25:37.240 Yeah, that's June weather. It's summer in Buffalo. 1:25:37.320 --> 1:25:38.880 I feel like that's no big deal for Buffalo. 1:25:39.200 --> 1:25:42.000 It's not too bad at all. Chance of pre SIPs Saturday. 1:25:42.479 --> 1:25:44.040 I think you're going to get the snow on Saturday. 1:25:44.080 --> 1:25:45.120 It's always snow, sir. 1:25:45.360 --> 1:25:46.960 Are you prepared to sit in a pile of snow? 1:25:47.000 --> 1:25:49.599 I'm prepared. You know, this game is like a heat 1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:51.200 wave compared the last three I've been to there. 1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:53.400 What was the temperature the last time that you were there? 1:25:53.920 --> 1:25:56.200 It was in the single digits. 1:25:56.640 --> 1:25:58.240 Is that when it was a blizzard and you had 1:25:58.280 --> 1:25:59.760 to like walk to mon. 1:26:00.120 --> 1:26:01.720 No, it was it was snowed a little bit. It 1:26:01.800 --> 1:26:02.960 was a Casey playoff. 1:26:02.680 --> 1:26:06.320 Game and the Bills lost, and when they were hiring 1:26:06.360 --> 1:26:09.680 people snow snowhead led up by that point too, but 1:26:09.800 --> 1:26:12.280 it was h Yeah, it was single digits and last 1:26:12.280 --> 1:26:14.080 suff with the wind chill. So the wind comes off 1:26:14.080 --> 1:26:15.960 the lake there and it's very cold. But this one 1:26:16.040 --> 1:26:18.680 looks like not much wind and whether should be good. 1:26:18.840 --> 1:26:20.000 So you'll head up there this weekend. 1:26:20.040 --> 1:26:22.080 You're gonna go to your brother Friday. Yea brother and 1:26:22.120 --> 1:26:22.599 some buddies. 1:26:23.040 --> 1:26:24.720 Very cool, gonna road trip it up there, have a 1:26:24.800 --> 1:26:26.920 boy's weekend, taking Monday off coming back. 1:26:27.040 --> 1:26:29.400 I figured you would take Monday off and there's no 1:26:29.560 --> 1:26:30.360 way he's going to make it. 1:26:30.479 --> 1:26:32.880 That was initially at four o'clock game, four five games. 1:26:32.920 --> 1:26:34.240 Yeah, then they bumped it and. 1:26:34.479 --> 1:26:36.160 Speaking of cold, i'd much where they have a one 1:26:36.160 --> 1:26:37.080 o'clock h. 1:26:37.120 --> 1:26:38.920 Yeah, no kidding, because what is it now? It's the 1:26:39.000 --> 1:26:41.080 Packers and Bears. Is that the one they switched with? 1:26:41.240 --> 1:26:41.439 Yeah? 1:26:41.640 --> 1:26:42.040 I think so. 1:26:42.400 --> 1:26:44.599 Yeah, yeah, But so the other day head coach Zach 1:26:44.640 --> 1:26:47.120 Taylor held a press conference on Monday to get the 1:26:47.160 --> 1:26:49.920 week started. He was asked about t Higgins. We know 1:26:50.000 --> 1:26:51.880 that Tea took a really hard hit at the end 1:26:51.920 --> 1:26:54.680 of that game against the Patriots. They were like, is 1:26:54.920 --> 1:26:57.400 t going to be playing this weekend? He said he's 1:26:57.439 --> 1:26:58.640 still in concussions. 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:00.599 He's playing, he's playing. 1:27:00.840 --> 1:27:02.920 I'm leaning towards him playing because a lot of the 1:27:02.960 --> 1:27:05.200 Bengals reporters are saying that, you know, t is walking 1:27:05.200 --> 1:27:07.320 around the locker room, seems like he's doing fine. He 1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:10.599 has been participating in some things here and there. I'm 1:27:10.680 --> 1:27:13.240 leaning towards Tea playing. If I'm a betting woman, that's 1:27:13.280 --> 1:27:13.600 not going to. 1:27:13.600 --> 1:27:15.840 Say carrying an ice bag around on his neck and 1:27:15.880 --> 1:27:17.960 rubbing his temples like, oh, my head's killing me. 1:27:18.400 --> 1:27:19.360 But it was really bad. 1:27:19.880 --> 1:27:21.320 It was a bad There's no doubt about it. 1:27:21.439 --> 1:27:25.320 It didn't we get Tea and Jamar and I think, honestly, 1:27:25.400 --> 1:27:26.960 I mean, as big a Bill's fan as I am, 1:27:27.360 --> 1:27:27.680 this is. 1:27:27.680 --> 1:27:30.639 Going to be a really good game on I'm excited if. 1:27:30.560 --> 1:27:35.040 You can somehow corral James Cook. I think I think 1:27:35.040 --> 1:27:36.280 Begal's a good shot to win this game. 1:27:36.320 --> 1:27:36.680 I really do. 1:27:36.960 --> 1:27:39.160 Yeah, I'm not even gonna put a prediction out there 1:27:39.200 --> 1:27:40.600 because anytime I do what's wrong, and. 1:27:41.920 --> 1:27:42.479 That's a problem. 1:27:42.520 --> 1:27:44.280 It's like, you know, I have a wide receivers and 1:27:44.320 --> 1:27:46.519 they're so banged up at this point, they're they're vulnerable. 1:27:46.720 --> 1:27:48.439 Well in the Bengals defense has found a way to 1:27:48.479 --> 1:27:49.080 turn it around. 1:27:49.200 --> 1:27:50.479 Yeah, we'll see if he can make it two in 1:27:50.479 --> 1:27:52.360 a row. Though if people some people are acting like 1:27:52.439 --> 1:27:53.959 this is a five game winning streak. 1:27:53.880 --> 1:27:56.240 We're still a four and eight team. Don't forget about that. 1:27:57.080 --> 1:28:01.520 Somebody not playing this weekend, No surprise here, Trey Hendrickson. 1:28:02.160 --> 1:28:04.920 Zach Taylor said he's doubtful. He's still working through that 1:28:05.080 --> 1:28:11.080 hip slash. This is sketchy. Maybe they're store hanging out 1:28:11.120 --> 1:28:13.839 the casino. I have no idea, but it's really sketchy. 1:28:14.479 --> 1:28:17.000 But the reporters asked Zach, so what has Trey been 1:28:17.080 --> 1:28:19.639 doing this whole time, because he's been out for weeks, 1:28:20.200 --> 1:28:23.000 and he said that he's been rehabbing with Trainers. And 1:28:23.200 --> 1:28:27.799 Zach did say he does anticipate trade return this season. 1:28:28.760 --> 1:28:29.080 Hmm. 1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:31.920 But the rumor is is that Trade needs some sort 1:28:31.920 --> 1:28:36.120 of off season surgery. That's the rumor. So why would 1:28:36.160 --> 1:28:38.759 you even push him. I mean, they're winning without trade. 1:28:38.760 --> 1:28:41.599 They beat the Steelers without Trade, they beat the Ravens 1:28:41.640 --> 1:28:43.880 without Dray, and they're about to go to Buffalo this 1:28:43.960 --> 1:28:46.599 weekend without him too. Trey's not even traveling with the team. 1:28:46.479 --> 1:28:50.680 Either, without him. I want to worry about that. 1:28:50.800 --> 1:28:57.080 They are they're winning without absolutely. 1:28:55.080 --> 1:28:57.599 Just try to keep the defense off the field. First 1:28:57.640 --> 1:29:02.680 homes you again, nobody wants their defense out there. As 1:29:02.760 --> 1:29:06.080 much as the Bengals defense has improved, it's like, let's 1:29:06.160 --> 1:29:08.439 keep all let's just keep the offense rolling. It's good 1:29:08.479 --> 1:29:10.280 to see Joe back with those guys too. That game 1:29:10.320 --> 1:29:12.760 on Thanksgiving was very exciting. A little rough in the 1:29:12.800 --> 1:29:15.400 first half, but they were really clicking in that second 1:29:15.439 --> 1:29:18.240 half and it was made me feel really optimistic about 1:29:18.240 --> 1:29:19.800 the rest of the season, not that there's a whole 1:29:19.800 --> 1:29:23.400 lot left, but be excited about it. I'm trying that 1:29:23.479 --> 1:29:25.200 Joe's back. I think he just has this aura in 1:29:25.280 --> 1:29:27.840 the locker room, like our leader's back. We're going to start. 1:29:30.439 --> 1:29:32.599 Yes, He'll go down and lead him down the field. 1:29:32.600 --> 1:29:33.880 And that's the thing is, I think it's a different, 1:29:34.040 --> 1:29:36.559 much better offense. On Sunday, we'll see with the Bengals 1:29:36.560 --> 1:29:36.960 and the Bills. 1:29:37.040 --> 1:29:39.000 We also got our guy, Mike is Sticky back after 1:29:39.080 --> 1:29:43.000 he had that peck injury, so Yoshi's starting to catch the. 1:29:43.000 --> 1:29:45.080 Ball again again. 1:29:45.520 --> 1:29:47.200 One game does not make a trend, I. 1:29:47.320 --> 1:29:49.240 Know, but this is the Bengals fanom me where I'm like, 1:29:49.240 --> 1:29:52.400 all right, one game and everything is just really turned around. Yeah, 1:29:52.760 --> 1:29:54.719 you win this weekend, and then you've got the Ravens 1:29:54.800 --> 1:29:55.360 here next. 1:29:55.280 --> 1:29:58.439 Easy schedule. After this, you already beat them. You got 1:29:58.479 --> 1:30:01.759 them at home, right, you've got Miami. 1:30:01.760 --> 1:30:04.200 I don't even think the home field advantage matters though 1:30:04.640 --> 1:30:05.800 it really doesn't. 1:30:06.080 --> 1:30:07.559 And sometimes you'd much rather play then. 1:30:07.600 --> 1:30:09.320 Yeah, then you're going to go to Miami. You finish 1:30:09.400 --> 1:30:12.960 out this season against the Browns. Easy dub there right right? Yeah, exactly, 1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:18.280 so as long as everybody can stay the brown No, 1:30:18.640 --> 1:30:23.439 it's the Browns easy now. Why I believe in our. 1:30:23.360 --> 1:30:26.000 Guys after that game? One game at a time, baby, 1:30:26.040 --> 1:30:27.360 one game at a time. But they've got a much 1:30:27.400 --> 1:30:29.400 easier path there than the Ravens and the Steelers do, 1:30:29.520 --> 1:30:30.000 that's for sure. 1:30:30.080 --> 1:30:31.679 And you know what, I don't believe in the Ravens 1:30:31.720 --> 1:30:33.920 on the Steelers. I'm not buying what they're social. 1:30:34.080 --> 1:30:34.400 Terrible. 1:30:34.720 --> 1:30:36.320 The Steelers looked awful on. 1:30:36.479 --> 1:30:37.639 Sunday last week. 1:30:37.720 --> 1:30:39.280 You loved the Bills. Now this week you hate the Bills. 1:30:39.360 --> 1:30:40.640 Such a woman, were. 1:30:41.920 --> 1:30:41.960 You? 1:30:42.080 --> 1:30:44.120 So I went out to I went to this new 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:46.280 bar in Covington, and we did like a watch party 1:30:46.360 --> 1:30:48.960 there to watch the Steelers and the Bills really and 1:30:49.360 --> 1:30:52.360 uh and the whole bar is like cheering on the Bills. 1:30:52.920 --> 1:30:54.400 I said, this is going to be like a complete 1:30:54.439 --> 1:30:56.920 one eighty next week and when we're eating the Bills. 1:30:57.600 --> 1:30:58.360 So I love it. 1:30:58.560 --> 1:31:01.280 Yeah, four team Team. 1:31:01.200 --> 1:31:03.880 Plus is filthy. Steelers you know, Cam Hayward. 1:31:03.560 --> 1:31:07.639 And Steelers are so dirty. I hate that team. 1:31:07.720 --> 1:31:10.320 Everybody hates the Steelers. Steeler fans, I don't know. 1:31:10.360 --> 1:31:12.120 I think a lot of Steelers fans start to turn 1:31:12.160 --> 1:31:16.679 on their back. Aaron Rodgers is turning on his own guys. 1:31:16.720 --> 1:31:18.080 How about that fire tomblin chan. 1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:21.360 I know, I don't even think they're fans of their 1:31:21.400 --> 1:31:21.800 own team. 1:31:21.880 --> 1:31:24.479 James half empty luck baby, That's. 1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:25.800 How it was at the end of that game on 1:31:26.200 --> 1:31:28.120 not Even It was like the fourth quarter and they 1:31:28.160 --> 1:31:30.759 showed an aerial shot of the stadium. I'm like, where'd 1:31:30.760 --> 1:31:33.320 all the fans go? Not seeing a lot of terrible 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:37.360 towels now, So safe travels this weekend, my friends. 1:31:37.479 --> 1:31:38.080 You're not going. 1:31:38.720 --> 1:31:39.639 I will not be there. 1:31:39.720 --> 1:31:41.760 Now if you had like free tickets and we're in 1:31:41.840 --> 1:31:42.439 the oh, of. 1:31:42.560 --> 1:31:44.720 Course, Yeah, I would sit out on the twenty nine 1:31:44.760 --> 1:31:47.280 y gree weather. Yeah, it is a bucket list to 1:31:47.320 --> 1:31:49.120 go see a game there in. 1:31:49.200 --> 1:31:51.559 Buffalo last season for the old stadium. So yeah, yeah, 1:31:51.800 --> 1:31:52.320 it's a lot of fun. 1:31:52.960 --> 1:31:53.559 Do the whole thing. 1:31:53.920 --> 1:31:55.080 Yeah, like I want to do the whole thing, Like 1:31:55.120 --> 1:31:57.439 I want to wear snowsuit and sit in snow. 1:31:57.320 --> 1:32:00.400 Piles with ketchup and mustard o ron. 1:32:02.840 --> 1:32:03.880 Hey if it keeps me warm. 1:32:03.920 --> 1:32:05.040 I you're gonna jump through a table? 1:32:05.240 --> 1:32:07.120 Oh, are you gonna try to do that this? No, 1:32:07.479 --> 1:32:09.720 you don't need another body part. No, you're too old 1:32:09.720 --> 1:32:10.479 for the AJA. 1:32:10.680 --> 1:32:11.960 I'm gone. It's over for me. 1:32:12.760 --> 1:32:15.200 Michelle's listening, like, please, I'm dealing with my knee. We 1:32:15.240 --> 1:32:17.599 don't need another body part getting replaced around. 1:32:17.640 --> 1:32:19.600 I'm on the back nine. Some days I'm at the 1:32:19.680 --> 1:32:22.160 clubhouse getting a hot dog at the turn. Other days 1:32:22.200 --> 1:32:25.400 I'm putting out at eighteen and You're gone, and I'm 1:32:25.400 --> 1:32:26.400 gonna take a step off. 1:32:26.280 --> 1:32:26.840 And I'll be dead. 1:32:27.320 --> 1:32:29.880 She's Sarah release It's the Snort Report this morning on 1:32:29.960 --> 1:32:32.080 The Scott Sloan Show. Catch her over on The Kid 1:32:32.160 --> 1:32:34.200 Chris Show. On one of two seven eb N weekday 1:32:34.280 --> 1:32:36.840 morning Sarah Release the Snort Report on the Home of 1:32:36.880 --> 1:32:39.000 the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred witty since