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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American? It's a Scott's Loan

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Speaker 1: show on seven hundred WLW. The biggest problem with the

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Speaker 1: Affordable Care at probably's the number of problems, but the

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Speaker 1: biggest one is it's subsidized healthcare costs that are unrealistically expensive.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem.

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Speaker 1: So instead of fixing prices, it gives people money to

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Speaker 1: make it less expensive for them personally. But as we know,

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Speaker 1: whether it's college or this subsidy just drives the cost

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Speaker 1: up even more. And it's an endless cycle. It's in

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Speaker 1: an endless loop. But the GOP has recently come on

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Speaker 1: with a plan to fix the problem, but does it

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Speaker 1: actually fix the problem. Dean Clancy's here is a senior

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Speaker 1: health policy fellow at Americans Prosperity.

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Speaker 2: Dean, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great? Thanks?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I look at this. So I gave this

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Speaker 1: analogy not long ago. Hear me out. This may take

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Speaker 1: what's going on here for most folks, myself included. But

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Speaker 1: the ACA subsidies are like giving someone a discount coupon

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Speaker 1: at a nice restaurant. The proposal Republicans want is like

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Speaker 1: the HSA, So that's your health savings account. You get

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Speaker 1: the moneyset of insurance companies. You hand them cash, tell

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Speaker 1: them to figure out dinner on their own. So the

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Speaker 1: So the cash gives you freedom to choose. Maybe you

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong about that?

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Speaker 4: Well, your analogy is excellent, but I would just say

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Speaker 4: He's basically flipped the politics of health reform on its head,

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Speaker 4: called the Democrats bluff. What he said was I want

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Speaker 4: money to go to your agasay so you can buy

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Speaker 4: that we take away people's health insurance or even that

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Speaker 4: we repeal Obamacare. Those would still exist. Obamacare would still

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Speaker 4: be very generous in terms of the subsidy, although as

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Speaker 4: the health insurance companies. And Trump is saying, the Democrats,

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Speaker 2: They would, but I don't know how much you drop prices.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that you know, again most people, as

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Speaker 4: Well, no, yes, and no, because first of all, most

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Speaker 1: How does that address this?

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Speaker 4: Well, what the ACA Obamacare did was it basically drove

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is, aren't we just swapping one

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Speaker 1: administrative waste. We're still not addressing that issue. That's the core.

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Speaker 1: That's back to that one hundred dollars hamburger analogy.

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Speaker 4: Right, Why does the hamburger cost one hundred dollars, Well,

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Speaker 4: we've got a a set of government mandates and rules

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Speaker 4: they're not paying one hundred dollars and that needs to change.

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Speaker 4: And if we put people in charge of the dollars,

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Speaker 4: that's the way insurance is supposed to work.

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Speaker 1: It is in theory. But again you're still talking about subsidy.

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Speaker 3: They're hiding the prices.

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Speaker 4: They make it difficult for you to find them, difficult

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Speaker 4: But you know what, Americans for prosperity, we don't believe

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Speaker 3: When the patient controls the.

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Speaker 4: Dollars, prices become transparent.

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Speaker 4: That's what's missing, and that's what Donald Trump I think

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Speaker 1: I think that helps. I mean, I don't think that's

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Speaker 4: Well, you're absolutely right that the healthcare system is incredibly bureaucratic.

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Speaker 1: I got one doctor, I got one doctor and one

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Speaker 4: And that's the result of the fact that because of

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Speaker 4: Let's let everybody have an HSA if they want one.

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Speaker 1: As it should be. I mean, HSA works fine for

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's it. You've put your.

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Speaker 4: Finger on it. It's a pleasure talking with you because

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Speaker 4: Let markets work. Markets will work in health care if

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Speaker 1: Dean Clancy, senior health policy fellow at Americans for Prosperity,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the time. I appreciate great conversation.

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Speaker 1: at the expense of someone else, that lifting them up

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Speaker 1: means tearing someone else down. And we know that's not

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Speaker 1: the case and it shouldn't be that way, but it is,

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Speaker 1: and that tearing them down has become at the expense

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Speaker 1: of young men who have been left behind for tied

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Speaker 1: too long in this cut. So we solve the problem

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Speaker 1: of women and rising women lifting women up, but we've

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Speaker 1: done that at the expense of men. And you know,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's about what you

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Speaker 1: can produce, and you know, largely to me, ninety percent

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Speaker 1: of it is just showing up, willing, having the right attitude,

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Speaker 1: and willing to work hard. Are there going to be

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Speaker 1: setbacks and problems, Absolutely, there's no question about.

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Speaker 2: Everyone has that.

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Speaker 1: And just because you have a setback as a woman

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that there's a glass ceiling, and that everyone's

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Speaker 1: all manner out to get you. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: often conflated too. Also adds to part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: But relative to the situation here with some minds, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're an American soldier, you're served in this

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Speaker 1: country in the armed services, and then you're radicalized at home.

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Speaker 1: That much we know so far about why he did

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Speaker 1: what he did. It really doesn't have anything to do

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Speaker 1: where you come from. You know, we know that people

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Speaker 1: commit crimes all the time, whether they're black, white, immigrant

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Speaker 1: or natural born citizens of the United States. Crime certainly does

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Speaker 1: not know no border. Let's put it that way, whether

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Speaker 1: it's socioeconomic or where you immigrated from, or if you

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Speaker 1: live in this country a long time and have the

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Speaker 1: biggest crime we have, the biggest problem we have in Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: or what has nothing to do with refugees. It has

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Speaker 1: every to do with people who are predatory criminals. So

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Speaker 1: address that issue. There's just no connection between the incident

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Speaker 1: and Somali immigrants. And you know, we've got in a

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Speaker 1: crazy ex spouse mode here at this point going on.

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Speaker 1: We're just going to they contribute nothing to society, not

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Speaker 1: really helpful.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure that appeals to a certain sector

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Speaker 1: of MAGA voters, but you know, by and large, it's

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Speaker 1: steady died of this stuff. It's exhausting, is what it is.

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Speaker 1: We have so many I'll point this out. I just

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Speaker 1: had a conversation with Dean Clancy from Americans for Prosperity.

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Speaker 1: You know, the healthcare is shoot in America. What happened

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Speaker 1: in DC with the shooting is it's a crime. It's tragic,

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Speaker 1: and certainly, you know, we shouldn't downplay that. But to

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Speaker 1: somehow think that this is a bigger problem because it's

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Speaker 1: Samali refugees, is like the Haitians or any other immigrant

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Speaker 1: group for that problem, or making the problem out to

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Speaker 1: be much bigger than it really is in that regard,

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Speaker 1: and who to blame? Who's the blame for it? You know,

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Speaker 1: sweeping all some allies togethers not part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I think most people, like you

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Speaker 1: can't say everybody, but certainly als everyone is like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's not really it, man, And then we waste a

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Speaker 1: lot of energy and time talking about things like that

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Speaker 1: and distracts. It's because there are real problems out there.

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Speaker 1: We're not addressing the budget deficit. We're not addressing healthcare.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned. I just had Dean Clancy on from AFP saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Republican solution to this, the plan finally after fifteen years,

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Speaker 1: by the way, better in some ways. Yeah, because it's

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Speaker 1: going to give you money to pay your health care.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is, and again just like what Trump's

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Speaker 1: doing with the Somali issue is it's like it's not

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Speaker 1: really addressing the core issue here.

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Speaker 2: You know, why is healthcare so damn expensive?

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Speaker 1: You can, okay, you can give money to insurance companies

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Speaker 1: which are just going to incentivize them to charge you

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Speaker 1: even more, like we did with college and everything else

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Speaker 1: we subsidize. But in this case, you're gonna give me

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Speaker 1: the money to buy my health care, and the free

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Speaker 1: market great. But if I have to have a procedure

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Speaker 1: done that costs thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars

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Speaker 1: more than it should have or more than should cost,

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Speaker 1: I don't have enough money in that kind of cover it.

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Speaker 1: So again it's you're shifting the money back, and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you giving it to me as opposed to someone else.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see how that is going to help

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Speaker 1: people who and certainly it's not everyone, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who come up with some sort of debilitating illness, accident,

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Speaker 1: whatever it might be, and that they just don't make

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Speaker 1: enough money, enough money in that account to cover the

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Speaker 1: medical expense. How do we get that cost down? I

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Speaker 1: think addressing the issue of subsidy is the way to

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Speaker 1: go about that. But this is just part and parcel.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, we want quick changes overnight, and we

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Speaker 1: want to assess quick blame on something as to you know,

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Speaker 1: why healthcare is expensive. It's a fall of democrats wise.

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Speaker 1: You know, how did two soldiers get shot in DC?

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Speaker 1: Well we had so we got to get rid of

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Speaker 1: some molly's. I mean, it just it doesn't. It doesn't.

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Speaker 1: It's like hair on fire policy. And this is just

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Speaker 1: the first year. It's going to get a lot more exhausting.

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Speaker 2: Coming up.

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Speaker 1: We'll we get time out in and more to follow

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Speaker 1: here coming up. At ten oh six on the show,

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Speaker 1: Alicia Reese jumps in. She's got lots of say about

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Speaker 1: the property tax rebate battle. There's something else going on there,

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Speaker 1: and you know you were promised at one point if

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Speaker 1: you're around in ninety six. A voter in ninety six,

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Speaker 1: you're promised a thirty percent tax rebate from the county

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Speaker 1: if you okayed the sales tax to build the stadiums.

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Speaker 1: Of course we've only done that a couple to handful

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Speaker 1: of times and the last thirty plus years. Uh, this

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Speaker 1: time around, you're gonna get a whopping four and a

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Speaker 1: half percent. She has issue with that and says the

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Speaker 1: money is there, and she'll explain where and how. Coming

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Speaker 1: up on the show at ten oh six, after a

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Speaker 1: quick time out seven hundred w WELWT, my wife was

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Speaker 1: watching the U for some reason. The Sean Combs, the

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Speaker 1: Reckoning documentary on Netflix said man, I I had no

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Speaker 1: idea how bad he just an awful person. Like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you think you think they're gonna do a documentary to

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Speaker 1: make them look good. And there's a no, I'm not

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Speaker 1: downplaying what he did because it's horrific, but yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: not gonna not gonna make him look good.

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Speaker 2: That's for damn sure.

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Speaker 1: Scott's show. This is seven hundred WLW. Thanks for checking

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Speaker 1: it out on the iHeartRadio app taking this wherever you go,

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Speaker 1: and of course the podcast following the show as well.

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Speaker 1: You know, you got to give credit where credits due.

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Speaker 1: Speaking to someone who was in Price Hill yesterday and

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Speaker 1: said for the first time that they can remember in

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Speaker 1: probably a decade that the side streets were actually cleared

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Speaker 1: in West Price Hill like that hasn't happened. I haven't

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Speaker 1: just used to residents. They're just used to snow up

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Speaker 1: to your ankles anytime we get four or five inches

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Speaker 1: of snow and no one is there to clear it.

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Speaker 1: And the streets were actually plowed in West Price Hill.

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Speaker 1: Now that we're twenty four hours past Snowmageddon, at least

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Speaker 1: the first round of it. Anyway, we spent a little

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Speaker 1: more flurries in the forte and certainly we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: our share of snow this winter. It's bound to happen.

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Speaker 1: But the first test for the new city services seemingly

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Speaker 1: went extremely extremely well. That eighty snow trucks snowplows operating

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Speaker 1: in twelve hour shifts yesterday morning. Cruz got to residential

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Speaker 1: streets at eleven am yesterday and anything left they're going

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Speaker 1: to get the shoulders of the roads and the like.

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Speaker 1: And they are very proactive in this whole thing. That

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Speaker 1: snow Tracker app, the plow tracker app and website rather

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Speaker 1: had some server issues because of high demand. So and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure if you logged onto that you saw some

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Speaker 1: black screens or little data or no data or whatever

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Speaker 1: it might be. Any interface is a little clunky, it's

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Speaker 1: not the best thing, but it's light years ahead of

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Speaker 1: where they were and where we were this time last year.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's important. You know, you got to

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Speaker 1: give credit where credit is due, and this was an

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Speaker 1: unmitigated train wreck last year and years previous for that matter.

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Speaker 1: You know, the big question still remains, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of people on console will tell you, well, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: there when I love when politicians do that. You know,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't there when we know, we know you've absolved

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Speaker 1: yourself that it's been ignored for twenty years. I mean,

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Speaker 1: all the money that was supposed to go to that

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Speaker 1: infrat structure went to other things, and that is just

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Speaker 1: a it's an incredible waste of money. As much as

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Speaker 1: we beat up on aft ed Pure Vault, it was

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Speaker 1: solved under his watch. Now one year and one snowstorm

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Speaker 1: doesn't make a trend, for sure, I get that, but

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Speaker 1: it seems like we've learned for those lessons and moved

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Speaker 1: past that. And it's typical with government is that once

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Speaker 1: they feel they've solved a problem, what happens is they

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Speaker 1: ignore the mechanism that got them to the point of success.

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Speaker 1: They go, well, why do It's just like the policing

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Speaker 1: problem in Cincinnati again, right, we had what happened in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and one with the Timothy Thomas shooting and

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Speaker 1: the riots and the unrest, and we had the collaborative agreement.

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Speaker 1: We did all that stuff and spent millions and millions

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Speaker 1: and millions of dollars, and in a period of time

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Speaker 1: became one of the best, if not the best, law

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Speaker 1: enforcement community in the United States, to the point where

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Speaker 1: under Obama, they were sending attorneys here, government attorneys to

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Speaker 1: learn what Cincinnati was doing.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: And I think the problem is when you hit success,

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Speaker 1: you go, okay, we just we don't need to spend

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Speaker 1: this much money. We can't justify the cost of this anymore.

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Speaker 1: And so we take the money intended for that and

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Speaker 1: send it elsewhere. And what happens is, you know water self, lovely, Okay,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take the money and put it over here. Well,

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Speaker 1: now you've ignored it, and we've got a crime problem again.

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Speaker 1: And so it goes. And whether that's crime or snow plows,

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing. And maybe there's a time when

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Speaker 1: the roads to get all clear, go well, why are

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Speaker 1: we doing this? We don't give much too and Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: let's spend the money somewhere else. We don't need to

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Speaker 1: fix that. You know, we'll fix the plows next year.

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Speaker 1: We'll get new plows next year. And then eventually the

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Speaker 1: equipment breaks down and you can't services anymore, and you

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Speaker 1: get what we got last year. So changes were made

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Speaker 1: and tip of the cap because from what I understand,

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Speaker 1: having not driven down there, you probably could tell me

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Speaker 1: better if you live in Cincinnati or drive downtown that

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Speaker 1: things were markedly better.

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Speaker 2: But that's what we're hearing, so good for them. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: We'll get a news update in Alicia Reese jumps on

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Speaker 1: the show next from Hamlin County Commission. She voted against

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Speaker 1: the four and a half percent property tax rebate. She

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Speaker 1: wanted the full thirty Why and she says the money's there.

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Speaker 1: She'll explain after this on the Home of the Best

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Speaker 1: Bengals coverage seven hundred WWT.

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Speaker 2: Since then, I want to be amic.

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Speaker 1: Lonely Buckoun seven hundred held up to the news yesterday,

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Speaker 1: the Hamlin County commissioned it is the topic that keeps

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Speaker 1: on giving. The property tax rebid in Hamlin County commissions

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Speaker 1: are proving four and a half percent for next year,

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Speaker 1: and that, of course, way far away from the thirty

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Speaker 1: percent promise. When voters approved the half cent tax levy

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Speaker 1: and the tax increase in ninety six to fund stadium construction,

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Speaker 1: the vote was two to one, and the no vote

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Speaker 1: on it, of course is from our good front Commissioner

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Speaker 1: Alicia Reese, who joins the show this morning on seven

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Speaker 1: hundred w ALW.

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Speaker 2: Madam Commissioner, glad to speak with you.

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Speaker 6: Good, good to be heard.

651
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotcha, all right. So we've taught I think

652
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: we've talked this a lot.

653
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: You know.

654
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: One year we had the thirty percent, got that back promised. Okay,

655
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 1: Now it's four and a half percent. The approved rate

656
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: of four and a half percent. If given it'd be

657
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: like thirty two million. This is just five million. And

658
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: I look at the numbers and you have been the

659
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: loan dissenting void a voice on this one too.

660
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: Two years ago. I think it was the full third

661
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: three percent.

662
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: We got that back.

663
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: What changed in the last couple of years.

664
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, let me just say that, you know, when

665
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 6: I ran this my sex time being re elected. But

666
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 6: when I ran, I got down there, they were at

667
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 6: single digits, which is where they're at now on the

668
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 6: property tax rollback that was promised.

669
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: To the voters.

670
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 6: And I had said that, you know, I came on

671
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 6: your show and your listeners and we were able to

672
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 6: get the thirty percent had never been really introduced, and

673
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 6: we had the thirty percent because we have to do

674
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 6: it every single year. One of the things that I

675
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 6: saw was that it was a promise made to the taxpayers,

676
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 6: but they never wanted to put it in writing, and

677
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 6: they were hoping that the taxpayers would not be paying attention.

678
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 6: And so I think what makes this one significant is

679
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 6: that when we started looking at the biggles, when we

680
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 6: start going to the Bengal negotiations, that's when this particular

681
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 6: county commission board they wrote the taxpayers out. They voted

682
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 6: for something to go against what the tax taxpayers were promised.

683
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 6: Because as you could see in the Business Courier, the

684
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 6: headline with county property tax rebate looks to take a

685
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 6: major hits. New Bengals lease is the factor, and that's

686
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 6: the factor we keep in the promise to the stadiums,

687
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 6: but not the promise to the over two hundred thousand homeowners.

688
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 6: We've got two sets of talking points. Long one when

689
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 6: it comes to the taxpayers and homeowners. They bring out

690
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 6: a set of talking points from the administrators and my

691
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 6: colleagues and they say, hey, we can't do this. It's

692
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 6: fiscally irresponsible. We don't have any money. They brought a

693
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 6: chart out. I'd never seen chart. It's going downward and

694
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 6: we might go bankrupt. My colleague Disease three House have

695
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 6: put in the paper that because we went with thirty percent,

696
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 6: which she voted against a tax break for the homeowners

697
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 6: and thirty percent because of that, we we just can't

698
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 6: do it and we're going bankrupt. Then they got another

699
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 6: set of talking points when the Bengals lease came, Oh,

700
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 6: this is a great thing.

701
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 5: We got to do it.

702
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 6: Over three hundred and fifty million dollars and an eight

703
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 6: hundred million dollar deal with interest, nothing for the taxpayers.

704
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 6: They were toasting it up. We did it, We did it,

705
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 6: and we and we screwed the Hamilton county taxpayers. That's

706
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 6: not irresponsible. They didn't say it was irresponsible when it's

707
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 6: a fund that does sales tax and the Bengals were

708
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 6: exempt from sales tax. Maybe that reason why the fund

709
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 6: is going down. But they got to set another set.

710
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 6: And then just the other day they had some talking

711
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 6: points and they said, oh, we've got to do this

712
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 6: redevelopment again of the banks, which is eight hundred million

713
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 6: dollars with some tables and chairs and some spaces where

714
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 6: people can hear free music. They went to clap it

715
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 6: and we got the money when we wanted to do

716
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 6: sundance and I supported sundance, but we didn't get it.

717
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 6: We came up the administrator said, and I got a

718
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 6: rabbit out of the hat. Here's another two million dollars.

719
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 5: We can do it.

720
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 6: Well, we were going to do another thing that we needed.

721
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 6: He went into the rabbit and the hat. We can

722
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 6: do it. So it's a magic show down at the

723
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 6: county that I have observed since i've been there. And

724
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 6: then it was said that my colleague said, well, maybe

725
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 6: if we don't do the thirty percent and we'll keep collecting,

726
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 6: we'll be able to do more in the future. Well,

727
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 6: we've done this for thirty years. Twenty four of those

728
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 6: years I wasn't even there. So where was this collection?

729
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 6: Because for twenty four years we've been in single digits.

730
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 6: Twenty four years, we haven't done the thirty percent, So

731
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 6: where is this collection of money that they're referring to.

732
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 6: We gave them twenty four years. I gave them twenty

733
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 6: four years before I got there, and then I introduced

734
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 6: the thirty percent. And now all of a sudden, you

735
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 6: say that because of the homew owners getting a break,

736
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 6: we're bankrupting the fund. So there's two sets of talking points.

737
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 6: It's a every time we get ready for this season,

738
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 6: as you know songs, it's a magic show the administrator

739
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 6: when certain people want something, my colleagues come out and jump.

740
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 6: We found the money for the Bengals. If we didn't

741
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 6: have the money, maybe we should have got a different deal.

742
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 6: If the fund was going bankrupt, maybe we should have said, no, Bengals,

743
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 6: you cannot be exempt from sales tax because we use

744
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 6: sales tax to fund the stadium. Maybe we should have

745
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 6: said no, we need a deal like Denver where less

746
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 6: public money. They almost have no public money going in

747
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 6: and they're going to have a brand new stadium. So

748
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 6: to say that it's the homeowner's fault, we got to

749
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 6: penalize the homeowners. We can't help the homeowners. The other

750
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 6: argument they said was a thirty percent. I mean, you're

751
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 6: not getting that much money back, Sloans. If Kroger's, I've

752
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 6: seen Krogers say we're gonna have five and ten percent off,

753
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 6: and people bust the door down to get that five

754
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 6: and ten percent. You use that little card because you

755
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 6: want to get a percentage off on your gas. People

756
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 6: are looking for affordability break and any break we can

757
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 6: give them as important right now now Sloan. Just yesterday

758
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 6: they went with not giving the homeowners the full thirty

759
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 6: percent rebate, right and then they're getting ready to vote

760
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 6: on a budget that will increase your sewer bill. So

761
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 6: now we're gonna that's that's adding another four percent. They

762
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 6: added four percent last year. I disagreed. I voted no.

763
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 6: So that's eight percent. You almost had to ten percent

764
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 6: in two years where your bill is going up. So

765
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 6: we're gonna make the bill go up. We're not gonna

766
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 6: give you the break that we that you were promised.

767
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 6: We're gonna keep the promise to the Bengals, but all

768
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 6: of a sudden, no promise of the homeowners.

769
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 7: We have to pay for this.

770
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 6: It's two hundred thousand homeowners that need a break. And

771
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 6: then we also the administrator has proposed in his budget

772
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 6: and it might go I'm gonna fight against it.

773
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: Now.

774
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 6: We also want to add to the closing cost.

775
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: The property transfer tax.

776
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: I was going to bring that up as well, and

777
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: I'll fold in you know, you know, and again it's

778
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: a probably not fair to bring this up, but I

779
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: think it's the headline about more taxes, right, the one

780
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: percent tax around the convention Center district for food and bars.

781
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 2: If you partake in that kind of stuff.

782
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 6: So it it.

783
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: And you know that's outside of the scope too, because

784
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: that's a choice. It's not mandatory like animals, you've got

785
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: to buy stuff. But at the same time, I mean

786
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: we add we add all that up stuff, we add

787
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: it all together. Right, It but still a fee that

788
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: people are going to pay.

789
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 6: Now, wait a minute, So that's a good point you made.

790
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 6: You're gonna add a one percent tax if you eat

791
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 6: around a certain area. They have it in other areas,

792
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 6: but it's at a property that the county before I

793
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 6: got there now they voted it's there as a fifty

794
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 6: two million dollars Millennium hotel was there. It's fifty two

795
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 6: million dollars it cost to get rid of it and

796
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 6: tear it down, and then you're replacing it with something

797
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 6: that you're not making any money. This one percent doesn't

798
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 6: go to the county. This is going to three CDC.

799
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 6: You don't get no money back. Fifty two million dollars

800
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 6: down the two and you put something there that doesn't

801
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 6: make any money.

802
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: That'll make money though, because you're going to bring people

803
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: from out of town to spend money and pay those taxes.

804
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: That's that's why they're doing it.

805
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: Makes sense.

806
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 6: Well wait a minute, hold that, Okay, fifty If the

807
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 6: taxpayers put out fifty two million, then we're not getting

808
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 6: anything from that that goes to the developers, so we

809
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 6: get zero. That's what I'm saying. What I said on

810
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 6: your show, and I broke in first with you, was

811
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 6: that I told the administrator, I said, why don't we

812
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 6: get the liquor like down there so that we can

813
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 6: get the funding back to the county coffer And he's

814
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 6: supposed to be looking at it. But anytime I say

815
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 6: something of that magnitude. He looking at it, and he's

816
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 6: looking at it like I said, it's a magic sho

817
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 6: You know, there's a movie out called Now You see Me,

818
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 6: Now you don't. That's what's happening down at the county.

819
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 6: One minute. If you have an idea to bring money

820
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 6: in to help the taxpayers, that all of a sudden,

821
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 6: we can't do it. If you want to give the

822
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 6: homeowners a break, you can't do it. If you want

823
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 6: to get a taxpayers a break, you can't do it.

824
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 6: Then all of a sudden, over here, like you just

825
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 6: say it, there's a tax but we're not benefiting for him,

826
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 6: and the homeowner's not benefiting from it. Nothing is going

827
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 6: back to help us get a break. Is going to

828
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 6: a developer. All of a sudden, it's a great idea,

829
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 6: we're moving in the wrong direction. And also there's a

830
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 6: lot of funds down there at the county. I've tried

831
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 6: to get my hands around it, because all of a sudden,

832
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 6: I said, give me, where are all the funds, our money?

833
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 6: What's in here? They don't give it to me. And

834
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, when certain people call, there's

835
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 6: a rabbit out of the hat. We can do it

836
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 6: big boos. Okay, don't worry about this, Well, Denise, we

837
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 6: can't do it.

838
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Denise Threehouse said that. By the way,

839
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: Alisha Reesa on the show the sprint of the property

840
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: tax rebate, she said, I think called the last time

841
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: we did the full three thirty one thirty two million

842
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: dollars rebate irresponsible. It is irresponsible back and they responsible

843
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: now and quoted some figures that they fund the reserve fund.

844
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: Is that forty seven percent of maximum at max manual

845
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: debt service the recommended numbers eighty five percent.

846
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: Uh So, who's to if you're.

847
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: Someone who listen to this right now and you're in

848
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: the county Hamlin County Lisha Reese, you're looking at going, well,

849
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: who am I supposed to believe on this?

850
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: Either we have the money or we don't have the money.

851
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's.

852
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 6: Well onless. We and her have a difference of opinion.

853
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 6: I am not for raising taxes, so we're gonna always disagree.

854
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 6: She voted again giving the homeowners the break. Last time

855
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 6: she was the one vote that voted against it. But

856
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 6: to put up that is irresponsible is disingenuous. Her and

857
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 6: the administrator are together. Every time you hear the administrator

858
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 6: is almost like an extension of the staff. Because, by

859
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 6: the way, where was the chart when you look at

860
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 6: that fund, you got to look at the stadium. So

861
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 6: before you do a stadium deal, you got to put

862
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 6: all the chips on the table. So it was irresponsible

863
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 6: to do a stadium deal knowing that you wouldn't be

864
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 6: able to give a break to the homeowners. That's why

865
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 6: I wanted to take it to the ballot. It's not

866
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Speaker 6: about who should have taxpayers believe. I'm for putting it

867
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Speaker 6: to the taxpayers and letting them.

868
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Speaker 8: Have a say.

869
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Speaker 6: If you take the taxpayers off the ballot and not

870
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Speaker 6: have a say, now you just turn it over down

871
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Speaker 6: to the administration. Now, I'll be honest with you. When

872
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Speaker 6: I came in, I came in. I'm the newest member

873
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Speaker 6: of and I came in because people said they wanted

874
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Speaker 6: me to shake it up, open up the process, and

875
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Speaker 6: fight for the taxpayers first. And so that's where I'm

876
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 6: coming from. So we all got differences of who we

877
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 6: you know, what we believe and so forth. But I'm

878
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 6: looking at the numbers the Bengals deal, and if the

879
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 6: headline was right in the courier is the reason the

880
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 6: fund is going the way it's going. The fact that

881
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 6: they're not paying any sales tax themselves is the reason

882
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 6: that the fund is going bankrupt. So her belief is

883
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 6: blame the homeowners. Mine is let's look at who's getting

884
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 6: who's benefiting from the fund, and it's not the homeowners.

885
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 6: And I believe that we could have done both if

886
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 6: we would have gotten a better deal. But if you

887
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 6: don't get a whole house away, and now you come

888
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 6: back to the people who elected us and you tell

889
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 6: them we can't do it. We can't keep your promise,

890
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 6: but we can keep the fromiss to the Bengals, I

891
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 6: think from the voters that voted for me the two

892
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 6: hundred eighteen thousand, they're saying, that's a bunch of crap,

893
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 6: and then to come back on the same thing and

894
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 6: pile on and say, now we're going to go up

895
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Speaker 6: on your stewer rate. The people that voted for me

896
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 6: two hunderd eighteen thousand said that's a bunch of bulls,

897
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 6: And then to come back and say, now we're going

898
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 6: to balance the budget by now even adding this real

899
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 6: estate transfer fee. You know, the realators, the investors real

900
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 6: estate investors, the real estate homeowners, all of them have

901
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 6: come out over seventy five two hundred members. And they

902
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 6: didn't even get the courtesy of even being talked to

903
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 6: the Board of Realtors. They didn't even get the home

904
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 6: Builders Association, they didn't even get the courtesy of getting

905
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 6: a phone call. And so they have come out. So

906
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 6: the experts who are in this have come out and

907
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 6: said this is going to hurt us as a county

908
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 6: because people will now move to other counties. The people

909
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 6: who do this every day for a living and also

910
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 6: pay taxes have said that rent will go up because

911
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 6: the landlords now got to pass this this property tax

912
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 6: on to somebody, and they're going to pass it on.

913
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 6: And then, as you know, Sloan, there was articles that

914
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 6: the in Choir is doing on these senior citizens, and

915
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 6: they had one of them that I brought up. Gentlemen

916
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 6: seventy three years old, always worked his whole life, painted bills,

917
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 6: had his home and now getting ready to lose his

918
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 6: home because the property tax has jumped up triple and

919
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 6: after his solid security check, he only has he pays

920
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 6: that right the property tax. He only has forty dollars

921
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 6: left to pay for medicine, gas and electric et cetera.

922
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: And I know the state is the State's working on

923
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Speaker 1: a plan to help folks like that, which is a

924
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: good thing. Finally, Alisia Reese, I know you also started

925
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Speaker 1: to change that org petition for residents of voice. Does

926
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Speaker 1: that really carry that much weight? I mean it changed

927
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Speaker 1: dot org. It doesn't really influence it then, does it.

928
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 6: Well, what we want to do is every year we

929
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 6: have to vote on this, and it always comes at

930
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Speaker 6: the last second, so people might can't get down there.

931
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 6: I want to start now and hear from the people directly,

932
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 6: and so therefore that's why we put the petition out there,

933
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Speaker 6: so we could hear from the people directly. I'm hearing

934
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Speaker 6: from them, am I out in the community, But I

935
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 6: want to make sure they understand my colleagues. They may say, oh,

936
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 6: it's two to one. No, it's not two to one.

937
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 6: I got two hundred and eighteen thousand voters. But now

938
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 6: let's hear from the I'm trying to let them hear

939
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 6: from the homeowners themselves. And so this petition will it

940
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 6: won't stop to thirty percent this time, but we would

941
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 6: be prepared next time. But secondly, it can also impact

942
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 6: the budget that we're getting ready to do with the

943
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 6: additional fee for the transfer tax, and so we'll be

944
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 6: fighting for that. So the reason we're doing this is

945
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 6: to try to give the people it's to be heard,

946
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Speaker 6: and then we'll be prepared so when we go in

947
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 6: they say, hey, here's what the people are saying. And

948
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Speaker 6: I do think it can make a difference, because Sloan,

949
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 6: they didn't. They told me we could never get thirty percent.

950
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 6: I came on here and we fought, like hell, we

951
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 6: got it my first year. We came on here, we

952
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 6: fought like hell, we got it another year, and so

953
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 6: we just got to keep fighting. But if you get quiet,

954
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 6: they're hoping you get quiet. They're hoping you don't know.

955
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 6: We're hoping that you only a few people know what's

956
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 6: going on, and then by the time you get your bill,

957
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 6: it's too late because the vote has already been teged.

958
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: She is, she's preaching the gods with the lead show reason.

959
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: I know you had a health scare and I wasn't

960
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: aware of that, but I'm so glad that unfortunately got

961
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: great treatment, great healthcare, you see, and you're doing much

962
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: much better. So it's good to have you back in

963
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: the game and speaking truth of power.

964
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 8: Great.

965
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I got great health care. Mercy jew mercy. You're

966
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 6: saying the nurses and the doctors, and my doctor said

967
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 6: it could have been fatal. So I just want to

968
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 6: be very spiritual. I want to thank God, but I

969
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 6: want to say those doctors and nurses. And while I

970
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 6: was there, what are nurses? That came on the TV.

971
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 6: They didn't know who I was, and the property tax

972
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 6: came on and she says, oh, man, I me and

973
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 6: my husband we can't afford to go up. And so

974
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 6: that's why I went to the meeting yesterday, even.

975
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: Though you're not supposed to be doing it. Will you

976
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: get shut the hell up and get some rest?

977
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: Would you go?

978
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 6: I'll go lay down down, put your feed up.

979
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: Elevate, get get the coughs on your ear legs to

980
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: keep the DVT away, and uh live to fight another day.

981
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: God bless you. Alicia, Thanks for coming on. Thank you,

982
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: take care of It's a Scott Slung show. One of

983
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: my favorite all time guests. Right there, Alicia, she just

984
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: she just spits, man, she just goes well, say hi,

985
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: and man, I can go get coffee.

986
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: Come on back. She's still talking. She's the best right there.

987
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: That's great Scott's Slung Show seven hundred WW.

988
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: Helping you navigate the rocky path of fulfilling employement.

989
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Speaker 2: Here's our career, sure about it, Julie Bouki.

990
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: Every Wednesday morning, this time we talked to our good

991
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: friend Julie Balki with the Bauki Group, the principal there. Uh,

992
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: and we've got news now that if you're a Kroger employee,

993
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: it's over. Now you've got to go back to work.

994
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: And they announced this at the same time we just

995
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: had five inches of snowfall, so now you got to

996
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: deal with that.

997
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 8: Ms.

998
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: Bouki, welcome. How you been.

999
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 9: Fantastic? Yes, it is. Uh, it's a bit confounding, not surprising,

1000
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 9: but a bit confounding.

1001
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 8: Why is it you found it?

1002
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 6: Why?

1003
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: Why is that so confounded? We go back to because

1004
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: there's there's something to be set up for human interaction.

1005
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, I got a zoom meeting and there's

1006
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: delay and there's glitches like leaving.

1007
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: Everybody on there. Somebody said about working in an office.

1008
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 9: Though you know there's Yeah, so let's let's take a

1009
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 9: look at at the last fourteen months with Kroger. August

1010
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 9: to twenty twenty four, they laid off one thousand administrative people.

1011
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 9: In February they laid off two hundred corporate staff. And

1012
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 9: they required people to be in the office three to

1013
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 9: four days a week. So they already had a three

1014
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 9: to four day requirement for being in And so now

1015
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 9: we're saying, okay, so now you're getting rid of hybrid,

1016
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 9: and you're getting rid of hybrid and flexibility for everybody.

1017
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 9: And I'm just, I would just I'm curious, and I'm

1018
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 9: sure they have an answer, but what does five days

1019
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 9: do for you that three to four days didn't do

1020
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 9: for you? And when we look at when we look

1021
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 9: at the trends, it's just it's fascinating because it's right

1022
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 9: now we're in a place where when you look at

1023
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 9: the number of work days period done in this country,

1024
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 9: twenty five percent of the work days are done remotely

1025
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 9: and that number has not changed for two years. It

1026
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 9: was sixty some percent during COVID. So I have always said,

1027
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 9: hybrid is where we're going to land. Some flexibility, Hybrid

1028
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 9: is where we're going to land. And when you look

1029
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 9: at then you start looking at Okay, so what impact

1030
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 9: does this have women have dropped out of the workforce.

1031
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 9: Forty three percent of women who work full time are

1032
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 9: the primary breadwinner. They are estimating by the end of

1033
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 9: twenty twenty five, which were almost there, half a million

1034
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 9: women will have dropped out of the workforce. Women were

1035
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 9: their happiest and most engaged during COVID when they got

1036
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 9: some time and flexibility. Right, and then you say, all right,

1037
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 9: so half a million women leaving the workforce, that's going

1038
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 9: to keep going. That's going to keep building. Seventy some

1039
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 9: percent of women I was reading the survey said they

1040
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 9: would consider changing jobs if they lost their flexibility. And

1041
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 9: so it's it is. And then just on top of that,

1042
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 9: it's attraction, retention and engagement strategy. And the experts in

1043
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 9: this field, the people who are really they're studying the

1044
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 9: companies that are trying this, that are doing kind of

1045
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 9: ab groups to see what the difference is when they

1046
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 9: have fully in the office and fully you know, and

1047
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 9: some sort of level of hybrid. The numbers are very clear.

1048
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 9: Turnover goes down, profitability goes up, and we're seeing as

1049
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 9: over and over and over again, and no performance difference.

1050
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 9: There was a study done by the Stanford economist Nick Bloom,

1051
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 9: who's sort of.

1052
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 7: The guru of all this.

1053
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 9: And so when you say we want you in eight

1054
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 9: to five, five days a week, Kroger perfectly, absolutely has

1055
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 9: the right to say that, no doubt about it. Your

1056
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 9: company you can run at how you want. But the

1057
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 9: ripple effect on your ability to retain your people that

1058
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 9: you currently have to attract new people, especially younger people,

1059
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 9: and have them fully in absolutely diminish this. There's no

1060
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 9: doubt about that. And if you're willing to live with that,

1061
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 9: go right ahead.

1062
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: But that's just a fact of where we are right

1063
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: and we have metrics now right as we have five

1064
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: years of data. Multiple studies show that remote workers are

1065
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: often more productive than those who work in the office.

1066
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: For your distractions, can you time right, you've got a

1067
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: better work life balance which keeps you engaged. If productivity

1068
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: hasn't declined and arguable in many cases, has improved doing

1069
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: remote work. What is Kroger or anyone's business justification for

1070
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: forcing people back to the office.

1071
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 9: They use words like better teamwork, better, it is better that. Okay,

1072
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 9: I get that, But what the studies are showing is

1073
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 9: that when organizations who figure out how to manage inside

1074
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 9: of a hybrid or flexible structure, learn to set expectations,

1075
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 9: gain commitment, and really, you know, hold people accountable while

1076
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 9: giving them autonomy. Those are the ones that are going

1077
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 9: to attract and retain the best people. Your best people

1078
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 9: want options on how to live their lives, and they

1079
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Speaker 9: have options, so they're going to start you start losing

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Speaker 9: your ability to pull the best people into your applicants,

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Speaker 9: into your applicant pool. And it's just, yeah, I don't

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Speaker 9: it's I'd love to have a crystal wall and know

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Speaker 9: what's what it's going to be like in five years,

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Speaker 9: but you know, it's it's interesting to see. And part

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Speaker 9: of this too, is tied back to I mean I

1086
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 9: was reading some things that said, well, they're just trying

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Speaker 9: to get that they're doing this to try to get

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Speaker 9: people to quit like that. Always, anytime I hear that,

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Speaker 9: I think that if that's true, that's dumb because you're

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Speaker 9: going to lose your best people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, your best people have other options.

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Speaker 1: If you're good, you have a But then again, I

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00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: mean the past, the way would work would be that Okay, hey,

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Speaker 1: we've got different roles for our best people, and that's

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Speaker 1: them as the rules, right, they can Griffy Jr.

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Speaker 2: Role, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: It's like, if you're a performer and you're doing well,

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Speaker 1: we tend to look go out and give you plenty

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Speaker 1: of room that we wouldn't give other employees.

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Speaker 2: But now you're not doing that doesn't make any sense?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I know. I'd especially love to know what the

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Speaker 9: impact is going to be on the IT department because

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00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 9: those are the ones. Those are the people who have

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Speaker 9: sent There is zero reason for me to come in

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Speaker 9: the office. I can see maybe a couple days a week,

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Speaker 9: but that's that's the department that it is, the function

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Speaker 9: that really was the that was the one who really

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00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 9: the canary and coal mine on remote work because they

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00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 9: work with technology all the time and it's not location dependent,

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00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 9: and so those how will you retain your IT people

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00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 9: and attract new IT talents when you're completely going against

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Speaker 9: the tide. So I'm sure they've thought through all these things.

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Speaker 7: I hope so.

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Speaker 9: But it's just interesting to watch because it will lead

1115
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 9: to people are already pressured. So when you lays that

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Speaker 9: many people say twelve hundred or more in the last year,

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00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 9: who's doing that work right now? Who's doing work you are?

1118
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 9: It's trickling down to the people who are still there,

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Speaker 9: and so you're you're you're putting your people in a

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Speaker 9: pressure cooker and it's just, you know, just from a

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Speaker 9: long term attraction, retention and engagement strategy, it's just a loser.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's Julie Baki our career short on the Scotslon

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Speaker 1: Show on seven hundred welw Kroger announcing a return to

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Speaker 1: office five days a week rather than the remote work

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Speaker 1: starting in January, and they said that it's in person

1126
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: teamwork is very very important. But you know, collaboration and

1127
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: the argument is that if you collaborate, if you innovate,

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Speaker 1: doing all the stuff together as a team, face to face,

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Speaker 1: it suffers when you work remotely. But there are plenty

1130
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Speaker 1: of companies in the world that are entirely remote from

1131
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: all over the world that are extremely successful. So if

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Speaker 1: that's we're true, why are they the outliers.

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Speaker 9: It's interesting. Spotify the music I think of a Spotify

1134
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 9: Spotify they put up a big billboard in Times Square

1135
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 9: someplaces said we hire adults, we don't hire children, so

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00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 9: you know, sort of a we try. We hire the

1137
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Speaker 9: right people, we hold them accountable, we give them autonomy

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Speaker 9: and don't treat them like children, like we have to

1139
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 9: be looking over the cube ball at them at all times.

1140
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Speaker 9: All state insurance went entirely remote, and so there's it's

1141
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 9: we're there's going to be I think that the bottom

1142
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 9: line here is one size doesn't fit all. And so

1143
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 9: of course you know your people who work in your

1144
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 9: stores and your manufacturing facilities, of course they have to

1145
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 9: be have to be there. And so but I think

1146
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 9: where we start to lose it is we start to say, okay, well,

1147
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 9: because our people in the stores have to be there,

1148
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 9: all of you have to be in the office. And

1149
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 9: that's comparing apples and oranges. If people will take those

1150
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 9: jobs in stores, they know they have to be in

1151
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 9: the stores, But what are you really doing in terms

1152
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 9: of your corporate staff and administration? And I think it's

1153
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 9: going to be interesting to follow because Elon Musk tried

1154
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 9: that and went back the other way. He came back

1155
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 9: on it and said okay, because he started losing talent

1156
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 9: like really fast because recruiters got on LinkedIn, other companies

1157
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 9: got on LinkedIn, just start picking off his best talent.

1158
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 9: We're not going to make you. We're not going to

1159
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 9: make you come in five days a week, and so

1160
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 9: he had to backtrack that. And so sometimes what's happening

1161
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 9: behind the scenes is they backtrack on that. But that's

1162
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 9: never an announcement, that's not a clickable link. Oh you know,

1163
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 9: they backtrack. Kroger backtracks and now people can work remotely.

1164
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 9: You'll never hear that. So if that happens, it will

1165
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 9: be on an exception basis. It will happen department by departments.

1166
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 9: But I think you know it's it's I've seen in

1167
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 9: some companies they say, well, this department, we had to

1168
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 9: let them do that because they were going to lose

1169
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Speaker 9: all their talent. Well no, dah, you know, I mean

1170
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Speaker 9: it's we're in a different world right now, and we

1171
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 9: can't do it the way boomers, myself included a net

1172
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 9: group used to do it, because it's not only was

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00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 9: it not necessarily the right way then, but it was

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Speaker 9: the only way then.

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Speaker 5: It's all we do.

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Speaker 9: We're in a different place right now. We have to

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Speaker 9: look differently at how we manage people. Just because it

1178
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 9: worked for you doesn't mean it can work forever or

1179
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 9: it works for everyone, especially with women outcasing, men graduating

1180
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 9: from college going into the workforce. We have to we

1181
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 9: have to start doing things, being open to trying things.

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Speaker 3: Shall I say?

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Speaker 2: All right, there's an issue of trust here.

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Speaker 1: So I'd imagine there are many people betrayed because they're told, hey,

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Speaker 1: remote work, COVID comes along, it's permanent, now it's long term,

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Speaker 1: And so they make these huge life decisions. You may

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Speaker 1: move to a different city, you may obsorb some caregiving responsibility,

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Speaker 1: how you bought a home in a different area, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I a're like, okay, never mind,

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Speaker 1: that's over. Now you're got to come back. Don't you

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Speaker 1: lose all your trust? Would that work for us?

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Speaker 9: Yes? And we wonder why when you look at how

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Speaker 9: people feel about their employer, trust is at a very

1194
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 9: very is it a very low this belief that I'm

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Speaker 9: supposed to give one hundred and twenty percent for my employer,

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Speaker 9: but I know that I can be laid off at

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Speaker 9: any moments, or they can change the rules. They can,

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Speaker 9: of course they can, but don't don't do that and

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Speaker 9: then expect your people to operate with one hundred percent loyalty.

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Speaker 9: It's not a thing in the employment relationship.

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Speaker 1: It is not a thing in the employment raiser because

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00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 1: you're like, well, this is this is kind of dumb,

1203
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: but you know, I and Kroger's still a great company obviously,

1204
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: but you got to wonder about the message it sends.

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00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: And of course this gives lead way to the other

1206
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: employees go, well Kroger's doing it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, talk to your HR people about talk to your recruiters,

1209
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 9: your people who are responsible for hiring in your corporate offices,

1210
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 9: and ask them what they're seeing in terms of what

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00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 9: people want. If people say a lot of times it'll

1212
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 9: say remote or hybrid. But then when you when you

1213
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 9: have an interview, it's like, well we really want you

1214
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 9: to okay, you know, I mean and so there's bait

1215
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 9: and switch going on on job boards as well. So no,

1216
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 9: the trust between employer and employee, no, you know, I

1217
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 9: think it goes both ways. Well, the CEO of AT

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Speaker 9: and T took some heat for saying, you know, two

1219
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 9: weeks pay for two weeks work, no loyalty.

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Speaker 2: Well you know, okay, that's kind of the way it

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Speaker 2: ought to be.

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Speaker 1: Frankly, yeah, yeah, that's it. I get a check, here's

1223
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Speaker 1: what you pay me to do. And you know, if

1224
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: you want to buff and beyond, it will cost you more.

1225
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Speaker 1: If not, then pay good luck with it.

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Speaker 3: Julie Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the element here too is it's like, if

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Speaker 1: you're doing this some people are a lot of the

1229
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: people coming back, it's going to feel like you're going

1230
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: to get a pay cut. Let me explain, you now

1231
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: have to commute. That's an expense. There, You got that

1232
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Speaker 1: expense parking, transit or gas. You got to have the wardrobe,

1233
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: so that's going to cost your money. You're probably gonna

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Speaker 1: eat out a few more times. That's going to cause childcare.

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Speaker 1: That's a significant pay cut, isn't it.

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Speaker 8: Yep? Yep.

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Speaker 9: And so you can decide Amazon or Google are one

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Speaker 9: of those companies that people just went not so. JP

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Speaker 9: Morgan like signing a petition blah blah blah, and Jamie

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Speaker 9: Diame is like, you know, you can shove that petition

1241
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 9: because it ain't changing. So you can. You can make

1242
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 9: your thoughts known where you are interesting and but then

1243
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 9: you are, you have free will. You can also go

1244
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 9: work elsewhere. And because the job market is what it is,

1245
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 9: there's some betting on the side of employers that you're

1246
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 9: just gonna keep your rear end right in that chair

1247
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 9: because you don't have any of your options. That's not

1248
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 9: necessarily true. But when the job market picks back up again,

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Speaker 9: and it will, those are going to be the first

1250
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 9: people to leave.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: She's Julie Bowki, our career shrip on the Scotslan Show

1253
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: every Wednesday morning. She and your team ready to go

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Speaker 1: to work for you. And that's Deboukigroup dot com be

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Speaker 1: a uk. E have a great week. We'll chat next Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: All right, be well, take care. News on the way

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Speaker 1: in just minutes. Council Member Mark Jeffers is here. I

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Speaker 1: fully believe in tipping the hat and giving credit where

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Speaker 1: credits due. Last year tore apart the city of Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: for it's a businal response to the January snowstorm, much

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Speaker 1: much different months later. We'll get to him about that,

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Speaker 1: and what else do you expect about this as well?

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Speaker 1: And how well it went with the new services plan

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Speaker 1: in place to battle the snow. Now that we're beyond it,

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01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: kind of look back and see how it went. Just

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Speaker 1: ahead seven hundred WLW. Do you want to be an

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Speaker 1: American idiot? It's got a flood show on seven hundred

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Speaker 1: w WELW Cincinnati. We got what two to four to

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Speaker 1: five some areas even a little bit more than five

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Speaker 1: five and a half inches of snow this week and

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Speaker 1: CBG's had a daily record, so we got a record

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Speaker 1: amount of snow in one day this early in the

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Speaker 1: season compared to last year where it was an unmitigated

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Speaker 1: snow disaster simply because well we didn't have enough plouse.

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Speaker 1: There was confusion to lack of communication. There were streets

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Speaker 1: admittedly weeks later that went unplowed and said well, you're

1277
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Speaker 1: just gonna have to deal with it. Changes were made

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Speaker 1: and happy to report, and we love to celebrate the

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Speaker 1: wins we do because I love to criticize, but I

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Speaker 1: also love to tip the cap and go, hey, you know,

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01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: and we did good this time. Good for you would

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01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: be the city getting the snow removed and what most

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Speaker 1: people would say is a reasonable amount of time and

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Speaker 1: a good job done by all. Mark Jeffreys's council member

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Speaker 1: sits on the Infrastructure Committee and has sweated over this

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Speaker 1: for the better part of a year now, since last

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Speaker 1: January when we had the snow mageddon that caused so

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Speaker 1: much angst in pain. Mark, welcome back or.

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Speaker 8: Are you doing well, thanks Scott, Yes, sir, so eighty.

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Speaker 2: Snowplod trucks, twelve hour shifts. You got it done.

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Speaker 1: I was mentioned earlier in the show was talking to

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Speaker 1: someone from Price Hill and said, we haven't had our

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Speaker 1: side streets cleared when snow like this in probably a

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Speaker 1: decade or more. And I was happy when I came

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01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: out and got back home after work and saw that

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Speaker 1: the roads were cleared. Couldn't believe it. Took pictures and

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Speaker 1: posted it that when you hear that kind of feedback,

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Speaker 1: you deserve a pat on the back for a job

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Speaker 1: well done.

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Speaker 5: Well, look what I would say is leadership matters, and

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Speaker 5: we have a new leader in Department of Public Works,

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Speaker 5: this guy Mark Riley came in and at the end

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Speaker 5: of the day, I mean, by seventeen years of PFG,

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01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 5: I learned, you know, there's input, measures and output, and

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01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,959
Speaker 5: the output that we only care about is it snow

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Speaker 5: removed quickly?

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Speaker 8: Is it all the rugues cleared?

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Speaker 5: You know, But a lot of the stuff that he did,

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Speaker 5: his input really mattered, Like bringing in new technology baffled

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Speaker 5: all of our minds that you know. It was like

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Speaker 5: going on a road trip back in the seventies and

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Speaker 5: eighties where you had the paper maps. People had paper

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Speaker 5: maps until last.

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Speaker 8: Year for doing snow removal.

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Speaker 5: So now we've got all of the trucks outfitted with iPads,

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Speaker 5: so they have the technology, they know where to go,

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Speaker 5: what's been treated, what hasn't been treated.

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Speaker 8: He mapped all the routes, which you know before we.

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Speaker 5: Learned last year that some of the streets were just

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Speaker 5: not in the maps, which is mind boggling.

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Speaker 8: So hence all the streets were cleared. He pre treated.

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Speaker 5: Another insight, which makes total sense, is look, these storms

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01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 5: move west to east, so he pretreats west to east.

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01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 5: Makes complete sense, to the west side before you do

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01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 5: the far east regions, because that's how the snow is

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Speaker 5: going to.

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Speaker 8: Move, you know.

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Speaker 5: So all of these things, you know, leveraging new technologies,

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01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 5: weather stations, drones, I think they're the right things to do.

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Speaker 5: And ultimately the only thing that really matters are whether

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01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 5: the roads are cleared in a reasonable amount of time,

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Speaker 5: and in this case, you know, they certainly were. So

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01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 5: Kudo's the new director and the administration for really putting

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Speaker 5: in a lot of the work and training people. They

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Speaker 5: had obstacle courses where they were training the you know,

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01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 5: the drivers to make sure they knew how to drive

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01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 5: down these small streets and you.

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Speaker 8: Know they put in the work and it really, it really.

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Speaker 1: Matters good to see. So ten years ago, my little

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01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: brother moved from Clifton out west but lived in Clifton

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Speaker 1: on a hilly street. Is most streets in Clifton are

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Speaker 1: pretty hilly, and as long as you lived in that house,

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01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: most of the people on that street, unless they had

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Speaker 1: a really really good vehicle or the way, literally would

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01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: be stuck home and couldn't go to work because they

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01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: couldn't get out of the driveway. And that went on

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Speaker 1: for the years that he lived there in Clifton, and

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Speaker 1: I thought, what an abysmal failure. And I talked to

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Speaker 1: some people, are like, yeah, it's just that's the way

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Speaker 1: it is. We don't have the equipment to get down

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01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: these streets. Somebody hears that and they see what's happening now,

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Speaker 1: and I think they're thankful for the.

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Speaker 2: Leadership we have. As you said, it's a leadership issue.

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Speaker 1: I guess the big question would be looking back, and

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01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: maybe you studied this, maybe it didn't well before your time,

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01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: but how did the city get that neglected for that

1357
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: long a period of time, and seemingly no one in

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01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: leadership cares.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how did we get to this point?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they'd pointed out yesterday we were one

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01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,439
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty five more people TECH twenty years ago

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Speaker 5: in Department of Public Works.

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Speaker 8: So you might ask yourself, why is it that we're

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01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 8: not doing as much literc cleanup. Well, we have a

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Speaker 8: lot for people. So these things gradually over time.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of the boiling frogs Inrome, right, you know,

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 5: you just find you're like, all right, this happens. This happens,

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01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 5: you make little decisions before we know it. You have

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Speaker 5: this massive issue, you know, and I think, look, I

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Speaker 5: mean even last year, I live in a small side

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Speaker 5: street in Clifton and it is hilly, and I could

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Speaker 5: not get up my hill. And on the fourth day

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Speaker 5: of the storm, I eventually called to PS. I'm like, look,

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to be you know, one of those

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Speaker 5: CONSO members to get out there and say I need

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01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 5: my street cloud because it's a small resident. But by

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Speaker 5: the fourth day and I couldn't even get back and forth.

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Speaker 8: This is ridiculous. And so this time one hundred percent cleared.

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Speaker 5: Last year in January, all of us were getting texts complaining, rightfully,

1380
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 5: this time I was getting text you know, saying hey,

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01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 5: look we can played last year, but thank you.

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Speaker 8: So you know, you you they put.

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Speaker 5: In the work. You know, it's like a professional sports team, right,

1384
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 5: you know, they did all the training and then ultimately

1385
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 5: what ultimately matters is how you perform in the field.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you Mark?

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Speaker 1: There's there's a corollary here. I think I mentioned it

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Speaker 1: was crime too because it fits the same, uh same.

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Speaker 1: I've used the crime as an example. I think it's

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01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: true of streets so long ago. We had the riots

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Speaker 1: of two thousand and one and civil and arrest of course,

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01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: and we had to rethink how we did policing. We

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01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: did the uh uh, we did the agreement with the

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Speaker 1: collaborate agreement with the feds.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And at one point we were the literally the darling

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Speaker 1: of the policing community, where we had you know, White

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Speaker 1: House attorneys and people from the FBI, and they're from

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Speaker 1: the government coming in to Cincinnati learn how we're doing

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01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: it here in community policing. And I think what happens

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01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: is and government your rust out your laws and go okay,

1402
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: well everything crimes do, everything's good, and then you take

1403
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: the money that's Earmark for that and said, well, why

1404
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: are we spending money on a problem we solved. We're

1405
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: going to spend it on something else, something new and shiny.

1406
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: You neglect it, And well, as a result, crime comes

1407
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: back in and we're seeing levels because of the lack

1408
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: of attention to detail, We're seeing those levels go back again,

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01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: and problems we thought we solved are now coming back

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01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: to roost. I think it's probably the same with snow removal, right,

1411
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, we're doing really good job. Let's just

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01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: take the money and spend it on something else because

1413
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: we're doing a good job instead of continuing the care

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Speaker 1: and nurture and feed it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, I mean, as you well know, we

1417
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 5: have a lot of competing priorities in city, right, public safety,

1418
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:38,799
Speaker 5: you know, basic public services.

1419
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 8: You know our parks and our rec centers and.

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01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 5: You know all of those things, and so it's always

1421
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 5: trying to figure out what is the biggest priority. But

1422
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 5: the priority always has to be on basic safety and

1423
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 5: delivering core city services, picking up the trash, paving the roads,

1424
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 5: filling the potholes, clearing the snow, keeping people safe like

1425
01:08:58,840 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 5: that has to.

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Speaker 8: Be and out always the number one priority.

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01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 5: Before you go off and do something else, you know,

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01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 5: I mean I learned that at P and G. It's

1429
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 5: like you can have this, you know, great new.

1430
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 8: Innovation that's all up here in the clouds, you.

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01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 5: Know, but if you're not delivering your core business, you know,

1432
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 5: what you're what you were about.

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01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 8: Then everything else is meaningless.

1434
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 5: And so for us, our core is just that basic

1435
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 5: public service, basic needs. So you know, that's where we'll

1436
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 5: remain focused.

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01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 8: And you know, on public.

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01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 5: Safety, look, we just gave you know, CPD the largest

1439
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Speaker 5: rays in forty years, you know, the lastation because we

1440
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 5: want we have to retain and recruit new officers. You know,

1441
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 5: we've authorized four x you know, two x more new

1442
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 5: recruit classes. We have to continue to put uh you know,

1443
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 5: put new officers on the street. And that's the investment

1444
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 5: we need to continue to make in the next coumple

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Speaker 5: of years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Cosmember Mark jeffrees On a little victory lap here

1447
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: after the successful snow removally Austria. It wasn't entirely perfect

1448
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: for sure, but a far site better than we were

1449
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:55,520
Speaker 1: a year ago, and that should be applauded.

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01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: I believe when you look at this and you know you.

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01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: Hear stories from individuals, and I mentioned a couple of

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01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: people you talked to some folks, maybe that many per

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01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 1: What what metrics do you look at after this was done?

1454
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: When you had the meeting yesterday and infrastructure about this

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01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: and is there actual data out there showing that we

1456
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: improved significantly year over year?

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01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I asked that question yesterday and as part of

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01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,560
Speaker 5: our budget process will formalize it, Like what is the

1459
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 5: key performance indicator the KPI? You know, and it should

1460
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 5: be how quickly snow was removed? Like, ultimately that's the

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01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 5: only thing you ultimately care about shore. Are people showing up,

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01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 5: are you fully staffed?

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01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 8: Are you know, do you have the right parts?

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01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 5: All those things are important, But the only service clearing

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01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 5: the roads more quickly. And so I think you know

1466
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 5: right now we've said, hey, they need to be cleared

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01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 5: within forty eight hours, and I think we hit that

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01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 5: this time.

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Speaker 8: Obviously, you know what happened to.

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Speaker 5: Jenny Org It was a lot more severe storm, you know, so,

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Speaker 5: but we need to the other thing I appreciate is, look,

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Speaker 5: I mean you said yesterday it used to be ten

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Speaker 5: years ago that snow urgencies were all hands on deck

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01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 5: across the city, and we're going back to that. I

1475
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 5: don't know why we ever went away from that, you know,

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01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 5: because it makes absolutely no sense to staff up our

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01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 5: Department of Public Works for a once every five years

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01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 5: or ten years storm. What you could do is pull

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01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 5: staff from you know, a wreck center or parks or

1480
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 5: other places where they can fill in where you need

1481
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 5: extra bodies, which makes little sense. What I would also

1482
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 5: say Scott is like, I really appreciate the wreck rally

1483
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 5: getting out ahead of some of the pothole issues too.

1484
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 5: So he is proposing buying this pothole patcher And basically

1485
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 5: what it is it allows one person to operate it

1486
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 5: versus four, so you have you've freed up three other

1487
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Speaker 5: people's time to go else on potholes or whatever, and

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01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 5: you can fill one hundred potholes per day, so you're

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Speaker 5: filling a lot more.

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01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 8: It's automating it with a lot fewer people, which allows

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01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 8: you to do more with you know, with less.

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01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 5: So really appreciate that because that's going to be the

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Speaker 5: next challenge we have right after these snow emergencies. You know,

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01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 5: we always have potholes and getting ahead of that it's

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Speaker 5: going to be important.

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01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the technology helps too. You need less manpower

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01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: because it's a one person operation. Now you get four

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01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: of those units. You got four people out there filling potholes,

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Speaker 1: and uh now you you know it's a force multiplier,

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Speaker 1: which I think people listening go, Okay, that's a good

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01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: spending money right there, let's do that kind of stuff.

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01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 1: You got the pause where I know that the snowplow

1504
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: tracker failed and I got in yesterday morning and in

1505
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: the snowstorm, and uh so I don't see how they're doing.

1506
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: And of course I got the black screen of death

1507
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: and went, oh my god, really you got uh but

1508
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: you know it was because so many people were looking

1509
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: at it. But you know, you go, well, we weren't

1510
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: expecting as many people. Well the I guess maybe the

1511
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: way to if ore to poke holes in anything, go, well,

1512
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 1: you guys, advertise a hell out of this. You knew

1513
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: people were upset about the streets being plowed. They're going

1514
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: to check this thing. Uh, it was allegedly stressed as

1515
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: it didn't work out. How do we not repeat this

1516
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: next time we had a significant snowfall.

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01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 8: One hundred percent.

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01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 5: I know that they're doing kind of an after action

1519
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 5: review this week on it to figure that out, you know.

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01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,879
Speaker 8: I mean, look, it comes back to put out with measures.

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01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 5: The thing that people really care about is when I

1522
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 5: leave my house, is my street clean so I can

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01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 5: get to the hospital or a job, or do my

1524
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 5: kids to school.

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01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: That's the ultimate thing.

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01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 5: The tracker is important and it's helpful for people to see,

1527
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 5: and we have to fix it and we will and

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01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 5: it you know, it needs to be stress tested, you know.

1529
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 5: But ultimately the thing that people care about at the

1530
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 5: end of the day is just clear my clear, my

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01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 5: m street, you know, so I can get to where

1532
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 5: I need to go.

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01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean if you look at it and every street

1535
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: is clear to except yours, it's just going to take

1536
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: you off. But I think it's a great tactile thing,

1537
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: you know. You it makes sense you look at and go, wow, Okay,

1538
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 1: they've done a lot of streets. Maybe mine is next

1539
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: residence in and there guessing as to when it made manut.

1540
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: But the best advertise you can have for the new

1541
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: system you put in place totally, no, one hundred percent.

1542
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 8: I mean, there's a role for it.

1543
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 5: It allows people to be informed so they can see,

1544
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 5: you know, where streets are or are not clear and

1545
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 5: you need to a make sure that it's accurate.

1546
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 8: Last year was not accurate, and now it's accurate.

1547
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 5: And then b we need to make sure they have

1548
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 5: enough room in the server to, you know, for to

1549
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 5: handle the demands.

1550
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 8: And I think Fisher learned the lesson there.

1551
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: Would you agree that the one of the biggest problems

1552
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: of this whole thing has been communication?

1553
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean community.

1554
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, at the end of the day, I

1555
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 5: don't know if I would agree. I think last and

1556
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 5: last Yearanuary, the issue was we just didn't get the

1557
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 5: job done. You know, it starts there, like we did

1558
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 5: not plow the streets, you know quick enough. We did

1559
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 5: not plow all the streets, And the reason were all

1560
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 5: these other you know issues, paper maps and all the

1561
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 5: streets weren't mapped, et cetera.

1562
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 8: So that I think was the biggest issue.

1563
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 5: Now that we would through this new director, it looks like,

1564
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 5: all right, we've got our act together, We've done this work,

1565
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 5: we're actually executing. Now we have to like communicate effectively,

1566
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 5: make sure we're communicating what we're doing, uh, and make

1567
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 5: sure people understand where they can get information.

1568
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: Well, on that point, I mean, one of the easiest

1569
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: ways to communicate pop but obviously social media it had

1570
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: been easy to put out and we didn't maybe did

1571
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: after the fact that we were looking like there's nothing

1572
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: on there from the mayor's feed or anyone else, saying, hey,

1573
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: well the system is overwhelmed. Right now, this is why

1574
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: you're not saying we're treating streets et cetera, et cetera.

1575
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: And that wasn't dime. I mean, that seems like an

1576
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 2: easy one to do.

1577
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, we need to communicate that right when it happens.

1578
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 8: I mean, I believe in proactive communication.

1579
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 5: If something goes right, communicated, If something goes wrong, communicated.

1580
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 8: And that's where you know, look, I said this yesterday.

1581
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 5: I have to give you know, I give the administration

1582
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 5: credit doing this review of saying this is where we failed,

1583
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 5: because it's not easy. We live very public jobs. You

1584
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 5: know a lot of people have a private job. You

1585
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 5: work in a restaurant or an office, and you know,

1586
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 5: if you fail, the world to know about it, you know,

1587
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 5: kudos to them. Like, the only way to make it

1588
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 5: right is to own up to what you did and

1589
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,799
Speaker 5: where you did not do well so that we can improve.

1590
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 5: And we did that, and then now you know, it

1591
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 5: looks like we've taken it to heart and we've we've

1592
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 5: definitely improved.

1593
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 8: And make sure I bring that up.

1594
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: Too, because it again, this isn't a vacumens it's the

1595
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: crime issue too, And there were times where there was

1596
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 1: no communication from the administration about what was happening, and

1597
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: it was a it was a big concern for people

1598
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: in a day and age when it's been easier than

1599
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: ever before to communicate and get your message out.

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01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1601
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 5: Look, I mean expectations have changed, right, you know, we're

1602
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 5: not the pony Express. When people express here here, you know,

1603
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 5: get something a couple of days later. When something happens,

1604
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 5: you know, often people need I mean people need to.

1605
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 8: Know right away, you know.

1606
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 5: And it's just the nature of the world that we

1607
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 5: live in, and understandably they expect them.

1608
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1609
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: All right, so people hear this are going great, But

1610
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: in the future, if my road isn't plowed, what's my recourse?

1611
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the first is, uh, you know, reach out.

1612
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 5: I mean, reach out to your councilor verse, you know. Frankly,

1613
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 5: I mean that's what we did last year. I had

1614
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 5: countless people who emailed me, texted me and said, hey,

1615
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 5: my road's not cloud and then we're painting the ass

1616
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 5: and then we figure out like, okay, where did the

1617
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 5: system go wrong? And that's where we really need to

1618
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 5: because success I always say for me, I'm out of

1619
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 5: here in eight years maximum, right, because we were term limitted.

1620
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 5: And success is not that I'm just a pain in

1621
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 5: the butt enough to like when I'm gone, then it

1622
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 5: goes back to failure.

1623
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 8: Success is a change the system.

1624
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 5: And so if your street is not plowed, let us

1625
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 5: know so that we can understand why where the system failed,

1626
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 5: so we can fix the system.

1627
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,799
Speaker 8: So long after all of us are gone, the system

1628
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:22,919
Speaker 8: is running more effectively.

1629
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seems like, yes, it's very successful in

1630
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: the rollout, and we'll see again how well we do

1631
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: next time around. You're only good as the last crisis

1632
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: you've you've been through now at this rate, of course,

1633
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: this almost guarantees now, Mark Jeffries, that we will not

1634
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: get any more significant snowfall the season. Of course, that's

1635
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 1: that will works.

1636
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 8: The snowfall das right where you right, snowfall.

1637
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 2: Right, kids don't want to hear that, but it's it's

1638
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: what it is. He is a council member.

1639
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: Mark Jeffreys and the Scots Lund Show on seven hundred

1640
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: ww sits on Infrastructure Committee having a meeting yesterday and

1641
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: addressing what happened with the two to five snowfall inches

1642
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: that we received and a lot don't of course, in

1643
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 1: the overnight hours. I think we had two inches in

1644
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: one hour, and of course and when that happens, the

1645
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: snowplows can't keep up. And it was one of those

1646
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: odd situations where the earlier in the morning you had

1647
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: had been on the road, the worst it was, and

1648
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: then by you know, seven eight o'clock they were able

1649
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,679
Speaker 1: to catch back up, and of course by the commute

1650
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 1: home it was fine and actually had a lot of

1651
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 1: the shoulders clean and all the side streets done, which

1652
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: is very refreshing considering we were back in January with

1653
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 1: that snowstar Mark all the best, thanks again for jumping

1654
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: on the show.

1655
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Thanks all the best.

1656
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: News update coming up in just about four or five

1657
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: minutes on seven hundred w W and then Sarah jumps in.

1658
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: We've got the Bengals of the Bills this week. I'm

1659
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: going up for the game there. We've got some Reds news.

1660
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 1: She wants to get into as well.

1661
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 2: What Reds. It's never too early to talk about summer?

1662
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 3: Is it now?

1663
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 2: On the Home of the Reds and the Best Bengals

1664
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:47,919
Speaker 2: Coverage seven hundred WW.

1665
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 7: George, Sorry, oh my god. Every big holiday party here

1666
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 7: and I heart today we do.

1667
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: Sarah will be snorting her way through sports this morning

1668
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: here on seven hundred WW, jumping over the kid Chris Show.

1669
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: It's US Sports of All Snorts aka the Snort Report,

1670
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 1: talking about sports and social media and the like. And

1671
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: I saw you had our good buddy Brendon Sajo, formerly

1672
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: of wlw T News five sports.

1673
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 7: Channel five sports reporter, Yeah from Cincinnati, went to LISSU

1674
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 7: and he's in Cincinnati for all of twenty four hours

1675
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 7: and decided to start his time here with Chris and

1676
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 7: I this morning bought that.

1677
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: Was also wrong with Tom. He's making the rounds. He

1678
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: really shows stuff right now. He's doing well. So it's

1679
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: he was on Oprah's podcast yesterday.

1680
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 7: Yeah. So Oprah has a podcast, which I did not

1681
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 7: know about until Brandon started to brok.

1682
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 2: She has a podcast, she has a show.

1683
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 7: Does she need a pun.

1684
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, she needs all that she needs people doing.

1685
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 7: It for Yeah, I loved it. I'm like this thing

1686
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 7: was over seven hundred thousand subscribers. But yeah, Oprah, she

1687
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 7: had a bunch of men that have podcast on I

1688
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 7: guess talking about men's mental health on there, and so

1689
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 7: Brandon was invited to talk about that and then came

1690
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 7: on our show to talk about the Mental Game podcast

1691
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 7: as well, which is the one that he hosts.

1692
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: Nice so good, doing good, doing great.

1693
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 7: So like our buddy, Dave, the producer said, oh, so

1694
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 7: he went from Oprah to EBM this morning.

1695
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a down dras wake till

1696
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:22,560
Speaker 2: Chris that.

1697
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it was good to have him in this morning.

1698
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 2: What do you think you are?

1699
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 7: Gail King?

1700
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 3: You know what?

1701
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 7: He did tell us that he got to talk to

1702
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 7: Gail King too. She was there, I know. Anyway, Oprah

1703
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 7: and Gail, So welcome back Brandon Saho for a day,

1704
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 7: then he gets back out to La So one hundred

1705
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 7: and thirteen days till opening day. If you're tired of

1706
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 7: and you need a little bit of optimism in your life,

1707
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 7: like all right, No.

1708
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,879
Speaker 2: The Bengals are not out of it, They're just two games.

1709
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 3: Out of it.

1710
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 7: We're going to get to the Bengals here. We're going

1711
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 7: to start with the Reds and then work our way

1712
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 7: to the Bengals because we do have some things that

1713
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 7: are trending in sports social media here in Cincinnati. That's

1714
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 7: why we're starting with opening days. Let's go, no Reds caravan.

1715
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 7: They made that announcement the other day. I guess it's

1716
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 7: too close to when they're going to be doing the

1717
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 7: Reds Fest in.

1718
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 2: The movement, because the conventions are the first thing they're

1719
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 2: really going to go in.

1720
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 7: This is going to be the first big event happening

1721
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 7: January sixteenth and seventeenth. So they said, you know what,

1722
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,959
Speaker 7: this year, we're going to do away with the caravan.

1723
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 7: And uh so Sorrylima, Yeah, everybody, I know, how about this.

1724
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 7: We're going to send Sarah to Lima to entertain that.

1725
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 7: You know what, let's not do that.

1726
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 2: Let's be at the Huntington Town Center.

1727
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 7: You think, are we going to see Saga Clause today

1728
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 7: at this party?

1729
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 2: Of course you will, no, no doubt about it.

1730
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 3: That suit.

1731
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 7: He didn't get a fresh cut, so I think it's

1732
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 7: going down.

1733
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: And that's and the Saga Claws suit has not been

1734
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: washing the Truman administration.

1735
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 7: Just so you know, chicken in the bocket.

1736
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 2: Oh my guy's got the salmon and the beard.

1737
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 7: Our buddy Tom Brenneman, he's here early for the party,

1738
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 7: for that party, this first year. He goes what I expect.

1739
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 7: I'm like, nothing but a good time, my friend.

1740
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 1: Can we put you down for a the old town

1741
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: in the nineties Christmas parties.

1742
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 6: I can tell you that.

1743
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: I had you down in the potlock Tom bringing the

1744
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: jelly mold.

1745
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 4: Still do that?

1746
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's go.

1747
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, get to cooking Tom.

1748
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 1: Tom and his magic crock pott.

1749
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 2: He's gonna go.

1750
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 7: I could see Tom doing some pretty good start the

1751
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 7: crockpott balls. He comes off like a crockpot kind of

1752
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 7: like he seems.

1753
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,640
Speaker 2: Like one of those half assed meat balls with a

1754
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 2: jelly in it.

1755
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 7: Hey, those are some really good apps.

1756
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: He put the little tooth picking up damn straight, give

1757
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: me a give me a spork.

1758
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 3: And let's go.

1759
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.

1760
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 7: So you know that he's you know that he's like

1761
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 7: still new because he's very early to this party. Like

1762
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 7: we saw three hours ago, three o'clock, he's here to

1763
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 7: help set up everybody's actually, everybody hates an ass kisser.

1764
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 8: You got the job.

1765
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 1: Just ride the wake.

1766
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 2: God, the.

1767
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 7: Reds are trending because, according to a recent report from ESPN,

1768
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 7: the Reds are continuing. This is what they say to

1769
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 7: pursue Kyle Schwarberg, the agent. I can't even do it

1770
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 7: with a straight face.

1771
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:20,919
Speaker 1: Sure, what makes like the whole gross domestic product of Cincinnati?

1772
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: I think got got that kind of money?

1773
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 7: Do we have a chance?

1774
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 2: Ninety nine trillion dollars?

1775
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 7: They're they're only up against the Phillies, the Red Sox,

1776
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 7: and the Mets.

1777
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much of Schwarber one hundred million dollars? What

1778
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: was the Reds perrol last year?

1779
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 7: Remember, like a couple of millions. You're gonna have to

1780
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 7: look that up. Yeah, no big deal. Dig deep in

1781
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 7: those pockets.

1782
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 1: Let's got's fifty.

1783
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 7: Six bombs last year? One hundred and thirty two RBIs

1784
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 7: let's go.

1785
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 2: I think they'll come out. Reds will make a tenor

1786
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 2: and offer for him.

1787
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 7: Winter meetings are this weekend in Orlando. My friend, we shall.

1788
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: See seventy seventy percent of your budget.

1789
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 7: We could really use his arm. We need a hitter.

1790
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: We need someone to hit the damn pearl seventy five

1791
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 1: percent to get one guy. Do you really see is

1792
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: that feasible for Cincinnati, Ohio.

1793
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 7: I think anything is possible.

1794
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: Pinkle'll take the hometown discount. Okay, I'll do it for

1795
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: ninety eight five.

1796
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 7: You know what we almost got. We almost got through

1797
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 7: talking about Kyle Schwarber without bringing up Agam.

1798
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 2: Oh, Marty, Middletown, Oh, Middletown, Sir, It's like they go.

1799
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 7: Hand in hand. Talk to Seg about Kyle Schwarber. He

1800
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 7: can't say his name without bringing up Middletown. Of course,

1801
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 7: he said he's going to drive him to and from

1802
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 7: the stadium. If the runs pick him up, they will.

1803
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 7: And you know what, I believe them. I believe that

1804
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 7: if anyone were to drive Kyle Schwarber around the city,

1805
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 7: it would definitely be said.

1806
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 2: I've seen seg drive before.

1807
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: And if he had, if he had a day, a

1808
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: night game and then there was get away the next morning,

1809
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: he just sleep at the stadium, it'd be faster. Sure,

1810
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: it'd be fast.

1811
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 7: For sure, Segould lightown his life for this business man special.

1812
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 2: I'll just sleep at the stadium, and by the time

1813
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 2: I get home and get back, it's.

1814
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 7: Might as well. Kyle Schwarber above everything else, above sleep.

1815
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 7: We know that cycle catch up in his little office,

1816
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 7: So I love it.

1817
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 2: I love it.

1818
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 7: Alrighty Aside from the Reds trending, the Bengals not really

1819
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 7: much of an update yesterday except for the iced out

1820
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,879
Speaker 7: unis that they're going to wear this weekend in Buffalo.

1821
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 7: Nice orange helmets, white jerseys, white pants, black Sociday. There

1822
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 7: we go going to be a cool twenty nine degrees

1823
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 7: in Buffalo. You're going to be there during Sunday.

1824
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's June weather. It's summer in Buffalo.

1825
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 7: I feel like that's no big deal for Buffalo.

1826
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 2: It's not too bad at all. Chance of pre SIPs Saturday.

1827
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 7: I think you're going to get the snow on Saturday.

1828
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 2: It's always snow, sir.

1829
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 7: Are you prepared to sit in a pile of snow?

1830
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 2: I'm prepared. You know, this game is like a heat

1831
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 2: wave compared the last three I've been to there.

1832
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 7: What was the temperature the last time that you were there?

1833
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 2: It was in the single digits.

1834
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 7: Is that when it was a blizzard and you had

1835
01:25:58,280 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 7: to like walk to mon.

1836
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 2: No, it was it was snowed a little bit. It

1837
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 2: was a Casey playoff.

1838
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 1: Game and the Bills lost, and when they were hiring

1839
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 1: people snow snowhead led up by that point too, but

1840
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: it was h Yeah, it was single digits and last

1841
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 1: suff with the wind chill. So the wind comes off

1842
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: the lake there and it's very cold. But this one

1843
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: looks like not much wind and whether should be good.

1844
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 7: So you'll head up there this weekend.

1845
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 2: You're gonna go to your brother Friday. Yea brother and

1846
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 2: some buddies.

1847
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 1: Very cool, gonna road trip it up there, have a

1848
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: boy's weekend, taking Monday off coming back.

1849
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 7: I figured you would take Monday off and there's no

1850
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 7: way he's going to make it.

1851
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 2: That was initially at four o'clock game, four five games.

1852
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, then they bumped it and.

1853
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 2: Speaking of cold, i'd much where they have a one

1854
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 2: o'clock h.

1855
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, no kidding, because what is it now? It's the

1856
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 7: Packers and Bears. Is that the one they switched with?

1857
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1858
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 2: I think so.

1859
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, But so the other day head coach Zach

1860
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 7: Taylor held a press conference on Monday to get the

1861
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 7: week started. He was asked about t Higgins. We know

1862
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 7: that Tea took a really hard hit at the end

1863
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 7: of that game against the Patriots. They were like, is

1864
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 7: t going to be playing this weekend? He said he's

1865
01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:58,640
Speaker 7: still in concussions.

1866
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 2: He's playing, he's playing.

1867
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 7: I'm leaning towards him playing because a lot of the

1868
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 7: Bengals reporters are saying that, you know, t is walking

1869
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 7: around the locker room, seems like he's doing fine. He

1870
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 7: has been participating in some things here and there. I'm

1871
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 7: leaning towards Tea playing. If I'm a betting woman, that's

1872
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:13,600
Speaker 7: not going to.

1873
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 1: Say carrying an ice bag around on his neck and

1874
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: rubbing his temples like, oh, my head's killing me.

1875
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 7: But it was really bad.

1876
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 2: It was a bad There's no doubt about it.

1877
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 1: It didn't we get Tea and Jamar and I think, honestly,

1878
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean, as big a Bill's fan as I am,

1879
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: this is.

1880
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 7: Going to be a really good game on I'm excited if.

1881
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: You can somehow corral James Cook. I think I think

1882
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 1: Begal's a good shot to win this game.

1883
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 2: I really do.

1884
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not even gonna put a prediction out there

1885
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 7: because anytime I do what's wrong, and.

1886
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 2: That's a problem.

1887
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I have a wide receivers and

1888
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: they're so banged up at this point, they're they're vulnerable.

1889
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 7: Well in the Bengals defense has found a way to

1890
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 7: turn it around.

1891
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see if he can make it two in

1892
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 1: a row. Though if people some people are acting like

1893
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:53,959
Speaker 1: this is a five game winning streak.

1894
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 7: We're still a four and eight team. Don't forget about that.

1895
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:01,520
Speaker 7: Somebody not playing this weekend, No surprise here, Trey Hendrickson.

1896
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 7: Zach Taylor said he's doubtful. He's still working through that

1897
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 7: hip slash. This is sketchy. Maybe they're store hanging out

1898
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,839
Speaker 7: the casino. I have no idea, but it's really sketchy.

1899
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 7: But the reporters asked Zach, so what has Trey been

1900
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 7: doing this whole time, because he's been out for weeks,

1901
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 7: and he said that he's been rehabbing with Trainers. And

1902
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:27,799
Speaker 7: Zach did say he does anticipate trade return this season.

1903
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: Hmm.

1904
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 7: But the rumor is is that Trade needs some sort

1905
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 7: of off season surgery. That's the rumor. So why would

1906
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,759
Speaker 7: you even push him. I mean, they're winning without trade.

1907
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 7: They beat the Steelers without Trade, they beat the Ravens

1908
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 7: without Dray, and they're about to go to Buffalo this

1909
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 7: weekend without him too. Trey's not even traveling with the team.

1910
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 2: Either, without him. I want to worry about that.

1911
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: They are they're winning without absolutely.

1912
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 7: Just try to keep the defense off the field. First

1913
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 7: homes you again, nobody wants their defense out there. As

1914
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 7: much as the Bengals defense has improved, it's like, let's

1915
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 7: keep all let's just keep the offense rolling. It's good

1916
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 7: to see Joe back with those guys too. That game

1917
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 7: on Thanksgiving was very exciting. A little rough in the

1918
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 7: first half, but they were really clicking in that second

1919
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 7: half and it was made me feel really optimistic about

1920
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 7: the rest of the season, not that there's a whole

1921
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 7: lot left, but be excited about it. I'm trying that

1922
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 7: Joe's back. I think he just has this aura in

1923
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 7: the locker room, like our leader's back. We're going to start.

1924
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 1: Yes, He'll go down and lead him down the field.

1925
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is, I think it's a different,

1926
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 1: much better offense. On Sunday, we'll see with the Bengals

1927
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: and the Bills.

1928
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 7: We also got our guy, Mike is Sticky back after

1929
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 7: he had that peck injury, so Yoshi's starting to catch the.

1930
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 2: Ball again again.

1931
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 1: One game does not make a trend, I.

1932
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 7: Know, but this is the Bengals fanom me where I'm like,

1933
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 7: all right, one game and everything is just really turned around. Yeah,

1934
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:54,719
Speaker 7: you win this weekend, and then you've got the Ravens

1935
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 7: here next.

1936
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 1: Easy schedule. After this, you already beat them. You got

1937
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:01,759
Speaker 1: them at home, right, you've got Miami.

1938
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 7: I don't even think the home field advantage matters though

1939
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 7: it really doesn't.

1940
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 2: And sometimes you'd much rather play then.

1941
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, then you're going to go to Miami. You finish

1942
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 7: out this season against the Browns. Easy dub there right right? Yeah, exactly,

1943
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 7: so as long as everybody can stay the brown No,

1944
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 7: it's the Browns easy now. Why I believe in our.

1945
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 1: Guys after that game? One game at a time, baby,

1946
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: one game at a time. But they've got a much

1947
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: easier path there than the Ravens and the Steelers do,

1948
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 1: that's for sure.

1949
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:31,679
Speaker 7: And you know what, I don't believe in the Ravens

1950
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 7: on the Steelers. I'm not buying what they're social.

1951
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 2: Terrible.

1952
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 7: The Steelers looked awful on.

1953
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 1: Sunday last week.

1954
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 2: You loved the Bills. Now this week you hate the Bills.

1955
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 2: Such a woman, were.

1956
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 8: You?

1957
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 7: So I went out to I went to this new

1958
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 7: bar in Covington, and we did like a watch party

1959
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 7: there to watch the Steelers and the Bills really and

1960
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 7: uh and the whole bar is like cheering on the Bills.

1961
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 7: I said, this is going to be like a complete

1962
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 7: one eighty next week and when we're eating the Bills.

1963
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 2: So I love it.

1964
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, four team Team.

1965
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 2: Plus is filthy. Steelers you know, Cam Hayward.

1966
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 7: And Steelers are so dirty. I hate that team.

1967
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 2: Everybody hates the Steelers. Steeler fans, I don't know.

1968
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 7: I think a lot of Steelers fans start to turn

1969
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:16,679
Speaker 7: on their back. Aaron Rodgers is turning on his own guys.

1970
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 2: How about that fire tomblin chan.

1971
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 7: I know, I don't even think they're fans of their

1972
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 7: own team.

1973
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 2: James half empty luck baby, That's.

1974
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 7: How it was at the end of that game on

1975
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 7: not Even It was like the fourth quarter and they

1976
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,759
Speaker 7: showed an aerial shot of the stadium. I'm like, where'd

1977
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 7: all the fans go? Not seeing a lot of terrible

1978
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 7: towels now, So safe travels this weekend, my friends.

1979
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 2: You're not going.

1980
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 7: I will not be there.

1981
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 2: Now if you had like free tickets and we're in

1982
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 2: the oh, of.

1983
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 7: Course, Yeah, I would sit out on the twenty nine

1984
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 7: y gree weather. Yeah, it is a bucket list to

1985
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 7: go see a game there in.

1986
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 2: Buffalo last season for the old stadium. So yeah, yeah,

1987
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 2: it's a lot of fun.

1988
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 5: Do the whole thing.

1989
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, like I want to do the whole thing, Like

1990
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 7: I want to wear snowsuit and sit in snow.

1991
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 2: Piles with ketchup and mustard o ron.

1992
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 7: Hey if it keeps me warm.

1993
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 2: I you're gonna jump through a table?

1994
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 7: Oh, are you gonna try to do that this? No,

1995
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 7: you don't need another body part. No, you're too old

1996
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 7: for the AJA.

1997
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 2: I'm gone. It's over for me.

1998
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 7: Michelle's listening, like, please, I'm dealing with my knee. We

1999
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 7: don't need another body part getting replaced around.

2000
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm on the back nine. Some days I'm at the

2001
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 1: clubhouse getting a hot dog at the turn. Other days

2002
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm putting out at eighteen and You're gone, and I'm

2003
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: gonna take a step off.

2004
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 2: And I'll be dead.

2005
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:29,880
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2006
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2008
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