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Speaker 1: Six thirty one. If you have KARRC the talk station

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Speaker 1: taking me back Joe's tracker with the bumper music. This

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Speaker 1: was the theme song for the Cops Show back when

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Speaker 1: Chief Tom Stracker was chief of the cincinnt Police Department,

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Speaker 1: and really missed that segment. Eddie, how you think we

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Speaker 1: can get the current police chief to start a cop

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Speaker 1: show up? Joe? Yeah, with a search warrant. I can't

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Speaker 1: get one of those. Let's see what Ken Cober Fraternal

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Speaker 1: Order of Police President Ken Kober, representing the Cincinnati Police Officers.

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Speaker 1: God bless you and the CINCINNTI Police Department. Ken Cobra,

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Speaker 1: welcome back your reaction to this proposed settlement another one,

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Speaker 1: not the ones we've been talking about, but this new

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Speaker 1: one point four to five million dollars settlement with a

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Speaker 1: family of Kwon Davier Hicks, who was shot by a

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Speaker 1: CINCINNTI police officer and died as a consequence apparently of

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Speaker 1: him pointing a gun at him. Ken, welcome back. This

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Speaker 1: apparently needs to be proved by Cincinnati City Council. We

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Speaker 1: only heard about it yesterday, but at least one councilman,

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Speaker 1: Seth Walsh, has said he will vote to approve the settlement.

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Speaker 1: What was your reaction to this? What is your reaction

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Speaker 1: to this or is this just another payoff by the

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Speaker 1: city that's unwarranted. Good to have you back on.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Brian, Thanks for having me. This is

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Speaker 2: this is at least one where I can understand why

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Speaker 2: they did it. Yeah, unlike some of these other ones,

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Speaker 2: you know, in this case, this is something that's been

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Speaker 2: going on for ten years. The Federal court had said

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Speaker 2: since the onset of this, the police officers they did

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Speaker 2: it absolutely nothing wrong. Their decision to use force was

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Speaker 2: absolutely justified. This all came down to it. And let

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Speaker 2: me back up for this second. Though Judge Barrett from

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Speaker 2: the Federal Court initially ruled it, said a summary judgment,

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Speaker 2: I'm dismissing this. The officers did absolutely nothing wrong. In

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Speaker 2: twenty so that was in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: the plaintiffs for this appealed it to the Sixth Circuit Court.

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Speaker 2: They then returned it back to Judge Barrett basically said

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Speaker 2: to go into the residents that they went into, because

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Speaker 2: they came into play as to whether or not this

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Speaker 2: they returned it back to Judge Barrett, and Judge Barrett's like,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with what the cops did.

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Speaker 2: So they appealed it again in twenty twenty four and

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Speaker 2: they came back with basically the same decision. Cops did

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Speaker 2: nothing wrong. But here there's still this question that's lingering

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Speaker 2: that basic said, listen, I would like to move on

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Speaker 2: with my life. This has been hanging over my head

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Speaker 2: for eleven years. You know, the courts have already said

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Speaker 2: I did nothing wrong, right, and the city's like, look

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Speaker 2: what this is eleven years in the making. What do

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Speaker 2: we do? Are we going to have this officer retired

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Speaker 2: officer come back? That certainly presents a challenge. You know,

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Speaker 2: the fop's legal team was involved in this since day one,

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Speaker 2: and they all mutually agreed, you know, this is probably

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Speaker 2: the best decision. So you know, as you well know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not usually shy about criticizing the city when they

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Speaker 2: do things that I don't agree with. In this case,

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Speaker 2: I can understand why they did it.

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Speaker 1: Well, there are exceptions to the Fourth Amendment right to

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Speaker 1: be to get a search warrant. Correct, Like if you're

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Speaker 1: in hot pursuit of an individual, that individual enters into

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, without a doubt and understand, I stand by

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Speaker 2: these officers. I believe they did absolutely nothing wrong. And

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Speaker 2: like I said, the Core even agreed that they're appropriate.

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Speaker 2: There was an appropriate use of force.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, okay, this is where we need to

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Speaker 2: It is, and this is where an officer's job. You

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Speaker 2: They were called there to investigate somebody that was threatening somebody.

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Speaker 2: And if even if you read this statement that came

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Speaker 2: I was certainly pretty upset about, you know, doing things

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Speaker 2: it's certainly a different situation than what we've seen recently.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, I pause. I'm going to bring you

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Speaker 1: to Greg Landsman apparently bringing back the bacon because the

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Speaker 1: Police Department. Ken Cobra on the program, Kent your reaction.

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Speaker 1: They did go into executive session, since any council did.

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Speaker 1: They did not tell anybody why they were going into

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Speaker 1: for why you can go into executive session, like speaking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, two hours of executive session. I wholly disagree that.

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Speaker 2: When they're discussing city matters, discussing how to spend city

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Speaker 2: I completely disagree with it. And of course, you know,

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Speaker 2: of transparency. You ask every other city, you ask every

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Speaker 1: Well that and they need a justification if they're going

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Speaker 1: I would argue, a police officer literally ran them over

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Speaker 1: knowing that the man who killed a sheriff's deputy might

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Speaker 2: No, without a doubt it, I said. And that's that's

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Speaker 2: You know, like I said, this settlement that they came

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Speaker 1: Well, and the city government should be operating more with

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Speaker 1: Greg Lansman said he has secured one million dollars in

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Speaker 1: who are clamoring for this. Just yesterday. It was announced

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Speaker 1: heard it, we're already installing I guess ninety new cameras.

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Speaker 1: We had the money, just no one bothered installing them.

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Speaker 1: Is this Greg Lansman trying to score political points in

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Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, to be fair, this is something

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Speaker 2: that Greg Landsman has actually worked on the last two

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Speaker 2: or another, it's died. Dies in the Senate, dies in

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Speaker 2: He has been trying to do this for two years

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Speaker 2: and who knows, it may die in the Senate again.

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Speaker 2: And this is where the bureaucracy of government is just

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Speaker 2: it's astounding to see that it takes this long to

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Speaker 1: I musten all day long. I'll agree with you on that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: disappointment because they can't agree that two and two is four.

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Speaker 1: Yet if he's been clamored to try to do this

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Speaker 1: via federal taxpayer dollars. For a couple of years, the

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Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati has been promising cameras, for example, in

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Speaker 1: terms of finding people who commit crimes because you got

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Speaker 1: video evidence of it, Ken Cober, do you think over

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Speaker 1: have found the million dollars Greg's been pushing for for

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Speaker 1: prioritize the cameras, Ken.

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Speaker 2: Without a doubt, a doubt. And I talked about this,

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Speaker 2: I think it was last week with you about how

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Speaker 2: to know to maintain and operate these cameras. However, because

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Speaker 2: it's now a priority, they've now detailed some officers that

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Speaker 2: have some pretty tech savvy abilities that are now going

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Speaker 2: and install and repair these cameras. So now you're right

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Speaker 2: to your point. Now, all of a sudden it has

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Speaker 2: become an absolute priority. And because now it's a priority,

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Speaker 2: it's getting done. When to be quite honest, this is

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Speaker 2: something investigators have begged for for years to get cameras fixed,

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Speaker 2: to get cameras up. But now it's finally becoming.

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Speaker 1: A priority, finally becoming priority. And then there's all that

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Speaker 1: Ohio state money that's are in resources have been offered

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Speaker 1: by the governor. We don't know the total value you

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Speaker 1: of that, but it isn't going to cost the city

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Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't be able to control it because it

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Speaker 1: since police, No, without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's something that I've certainly been critical of

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Speaker 2: the mare as well as you're you're getting resources in

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Speaker 2: the city that they have to pay for. And I

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Speaker 2: understand you have pay taxes in Ohio. We're still paying

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Speaker 2: by having these extra resources, and why it hasn't been

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Speaker 2: never understand, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 1: A better return on investment than the six hundred million

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Speaker 1: dollars that you'll have taxpayers are going to pay to

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Speaker 1: build us of the Cleveland Browns Stadium.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt about that. Or what is it

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Speaker 2: like three hundred and fifty million dollars that the county's

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Speaker 2: now invested into a pay course stadium that we we

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Speaker 1: This year either priorities, priorities, priorities you folks on the West,

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Speaker 1: then suck it up, you know, maybe someday FLP President

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Speaker 1: Ken Kover, thank you so much for the willingness to

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Speaker 1: spend some time with my listeners and me on this

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Speaker 1: and keep up the great work representing the police of

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Speaker 1: the police force. And as I always point out, you

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Speaker 1: got my audiences back, or my back audience has your back,

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Speaker 1: and all the police departments back. We'll have we'll have

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Speaker 1: you on again real soon. Keep up the good work.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Brian. It's always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: It's six point fifty right now. If you have KC

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Speaker 1: detalk station right after