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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a weird opening today.

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Speaker 1: You're expected to talk Steeler Steeler Steelers, but this season

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Speaker 1: is clearly headed to the mushy metal after that lost

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Speaker 1: to Cincinnati. It's the same problems, the same staleness and

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Speaker 1: The defense is one hundred percent fraudulent. Parsons coming to town.

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Speaker 1: He better than what Rogers, playing against his old team

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Speaker 1: for the first time and blah blah blah. Uh. Tom

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase made Jaalen Ramsey his bitch. Tom went also

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Speaker 1: not concerned about the turf at Afroshore said he doesn't

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Speaker 1: in nearly the same breath, he talked about how Miles

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Speaker 1: Killerber's out for the season after knee surgery after an

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Speaker 2: No big deal.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Toronto and La are in the World Series, the

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Speaker 1: some great baseball, like last night's Game seven of the ALCS,

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Speaker 1: and Otani's big night in the NLCS clincher was epic classic.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to the Otani game in its place in history.

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Speaker 1: Strike got the side, then lead off with the home

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Speaker 1: They need to keep playing bad teams, or they need

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Speaker 1: This Spell kid came in Spell the amazing running back

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Speaker 1: But that's what happens when you treat high school kids

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Otanni thing. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: wear this Otani game is the greatest athletic feet of

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Speaker 1: our lifetime. Three home runs, six plus scoreless innings, pitch

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Speaker 1: what do you think because Otani's game for the NLCS

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Speaker 3: As far as baseball history. I mean, it has to

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Speaker 3: but that happened in the World Series.

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Speaker 3: Or excuse me that NLCS regardless of Oton having one

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Speaker 3: But that's unbelievable, right, I mean, players don't do that

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Speaker 1: Well, if it wasn't for that home run, he wouldn't

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Speaker 3: Game, I mean, a perfect game in the World Series.

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Speaker 2: It happened today, he had been pulled after six or.

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Speaker 3: Well you hit me over the head with a shovel.

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Speaker 3: You were gone over to Liverpool. When this happened in

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Speaker 1: Dwake Smell did that back in twenty twenty with Tampa

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Speaker 3: Blake says, like five to three, no doubt. So that

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Speaker 2: Well, the old tawny thing.

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Speaker 1: Like, I think he's one of the best baseball players

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Speaker 3: I don't like true and I don't like Bath made

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Speaker 3: But to say he's the goat already is a little mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's still he's just a really good pitcher,

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Speaker 2: You think Roder Jones will tackle Aaron Rodgers this week.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe that that happened. I don't blame Jones.

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Speaker 1: We got a sound bite later that he and Rodgers

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Speaker 1: And inexperienced, I mean dumb, like a high school kid

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Speaker 3: I mean, Penn State is a winning program, So on

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Speaker 3: Do you think that turns off teams that are recruiting

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Speaker 1: The Tom la press conference today was weird, I mean

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Speaker 1: They don't beat people up, they don't impose their will.

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Speaker 1: Tommy Radio. Tom Like I said, Tomlin blamed the run

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Speaker 3: I mean, he wasn't wrong blaming the run defense either.

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Speaker 3: They were abysmal against the worst running team in football.

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Speaker 3: all of football, even after that amazing performance. But Ramsey

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Speaker 1: But it away from the never never changed, never what

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Speaker 3: Mr Chase said that, boy, and you know what. A

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Speaker 1: It amazes me and some of the media starting to

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Speaker 1: the Browns game, this team is so unbelievably poorly coached

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Speaker 1: Everything about it sucks and no one will acknowledge how

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Speaker 3: I mean, for them to allow the Bengals to just

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Speaker 2: Well underneath, underneath, they were so.

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Speaker 3: Crazy to play a Flacco. His fear of Flacco it manifested.

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Speaker 3: That manifested into the performance that you saw from Joe

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Speaker 1: But no, I guess that wasn't a good idea. Well

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Speaker 1: A solid who gives a freaking much solved, He's just

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Speaker 2: Here's how I break it down. I run my trip

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Speaker 1: I won't even say great, I'd say very good, two

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Speaker 1: And you know why they did that, seriously, because his

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Speaker 1: He's just this bully who's gone everything he wants his

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Speaker 1: No, you need you need Wat to be totally dominant

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Speaker 1: They played Green Bay home, Indie home. Than at the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: You're four and two right now. It feels like they're

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Speaker 3: Last year you dubbed that stretch the death stretches, this

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Speaker 2: Well, here here's the thing. I don't know if green

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Speaker 3: I think they win this one. The Steelers this one

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Speaker 1: But green Bay's defense is physical, yes, so I could

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Speaker 1: I feel more comfortable conjecturing about the big picture, which

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Speaker 3: You can't ignore them being a Super Bowl contender anymore

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Speaker 1: I think I think they got a shot be a

439
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Speaker 1: great line.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that they need the PR spokesperson though,

441
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Speaker 3: Like you said, they just they average more points than

442
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Speaker 3: anybody in the league.

443
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Speaker 1: They plays to show with JACKIM always said it matters

444
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Speaker 1: where you're at, like Danny Dimes with Shane steik In,

445
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Speaker 1: a really good offensive coach and better talent.

446
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Speaker 2: He's a legit quarterback.

447
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Speaker 3: Without question, and I don't think he'd ever win the MVP,

448
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Speaker 3: but he should probably be in consideration as one of

449
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Speaker 3: the front runners right now, although that's more of a

450
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Speaker 3: team thing than it is a Danny will.

451
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Speaker 1: Rogers handle playing against Green Bay for the first time.

452
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Speaker 3: I think he'll handle it like a pro in the

453
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Speaker 3: week leading up.

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Speaker 1: You mean in terms of what he says, Yeah, I

455
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Speaker 1: think what about what about internally? What about mental internally?

456
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Speaker 1: I think he really wants to win this football game, yea,

457
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 1: because he's he's a stone narcissist and he's going to

458
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Speaker 1: make this.

459
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Speaker 2: All about him, at least to himself.

460
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Speaker 3: And I think he's got a line or two that

461
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Speaker 3: he's workshopped or his work shopping for post game if

462
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Speaker 3: he does get the win. Just like you remember he

463
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Speaker 3: threw that little dig at the Jets after being very

464
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Speaker 3: good all week leading into that game, then he threw

465
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Speaker 3: it on them after he wanted the podium. I bet

466
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Speaker 3: you he's got a couple of things that he's workshopping

467
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Speaker 3: right now for a dig.

468
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Speaker 1: I think Aaron proved a lock by insulting the Jets

469
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Speaker 1: after a game the Steelers probably should have lost.

470
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Speaker 2: Anyway.

471
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Speaker 1: Who can have urge as a weapon for the Steelers

472
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Speaker 1: because somebody got to And I hear all this crap

473
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Speaker 1: about that going to trade for this guy. Good at

474
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Speaker 1: trade for that guy who's the latest receiver.

475
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Speaker 3: Now there's so many late receivers. I mean, I know

476
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Speaker 3: Jacobe Meyer's back on the markets. Oh, Tyler Lockett, the

477
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Speaker 3: one who got released by the Titans or they just

478
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Speaker 3: granted his They should get a guy who's he's a

479
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Speaker 3: washed up bomb. Yeah, you don't want Tyler Lockett at

480
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Speaker 3: this point. To answer your question, no one on this

481
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Speaker 3: team currently, I think is going to step up for them.

482
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Speaker 3: They have to go out and get somebody, Okay, but

483
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Speaker 3: that's there. Then they're stuck because no one else is

484
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Speaker 3: going to step up as a weapon. I don't think

485
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Speaker 3: Friarmouth is going to become a consistent thing like he

486
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Speaker 3: was against Cincinnati five catches.

487
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Speaker 2: Yards.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it, but not because of what he

489
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Speaker 3: could do. I just don't think the team's gonna lean

490
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Speaker 3: into him, just like how they always seem to, Okay,

491
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Speaker 3: something work. Let's get away from that real quick, like.

492
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Speaker 3: I don't think he'll have a big role against the

493
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Speaker 3: Packers and then they'll blame it on well, the matchup

494
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 3: just wasn't specific for fire.

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Speaker 1: Myth Penguins hosting Vancouver tonight. Our Carsino obviously goal for Pittsburgh.

496
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Speaker 1: We'll talk hockey in a moment here on one O

497
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Speaker 1: five to nine.

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Speaker 5: Tonight's it's the Pens against the Canucks. Game time is seven.

499
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Speaker 5: Our coverage starts at six here every game, and the

500
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Speaker 5: best coverage right here on your home of the Pens

501
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Speaker 5: one oh five nine. The X.

502
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Speaker 4: And Tom up for men on one Fine VX.

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Speaker 1: Penguins hosting Vancouver tonight at PPG Paints Serena. Penguins are

504
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Speaker 1: four and two and here's what I like about them

505
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Speaker 1: so far. Sid and Gino are to the top. They

506
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Speaker 1: are red hot, but it ain't just about them scoring.

507
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Speaker 1: It's mostly about the structure that Dan Muse has imbued

508
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Speaker 1: the team with. It far exceeds anything we've seen with

509
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Speaker 1: the Penguins for years. So Muse is good and I

510
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: like watching the kids develop. Brunic and Kindle. I hope

511
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Speaker 1: they both stayed, but I'm not sure that's the right decision.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Brunick can benefit by going back to junior,

513
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Speaker 1: but he needs to mature physically, as does Kindall.

514
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean the Penguins success being foreigned to.

515
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Speaker 1: I think they're mostly beating bad teams or a good

516
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Speaker 1: team like the La Kings having a bad night. Manth

517
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Speaker 1: has been okay.

518
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Speaker 2: I guess Brawsers is starting to where out.

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Speaker 1: I think he's not a top six You know what

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Speaker 1: you got with Rust and Raquel Shann Watherspoon, don't suck

521
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Speaker 1: Carlson Latang mostly want to still play like their Carlson

522
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Speaker 1: and Latang. The goaltending is rotten. It will be the

523
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Speaker 1: biggest part of their undoing. I did not expect the

524
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Speaker 1: form to start, which is likely skewing my evaluation. I'd

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Speaker 1: feel more comfortable with lou and Gottius coach like in

526
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Speaker 1: eighty four, then I do Dan muse, let's talk to

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Speaker 1: Tom Offerman, Tom Can Maal can Acrossby keep producing. They've

528
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Speaker 1: done very well so far, not just the points, not

529
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Speaker 1: just the production, but consistently producing opportunities.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's any doubt that said can keep

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Speaker 3: doing it. It's Gino. He's the one that I'm looking

532
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Speaker 3: at and wondering can he keep producing? And I actually

533
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Speaker 3: just looked this up. Through five games last year, Mark

534
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Speaker 3: he had eleven points Gino, so he started out insanely hot.

535
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Speaker 3: Last season two, and then as the season wore on,

536
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Speaker 3: he started to fade a little bit, those legs started

537
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Speaker 3: to get a little heavy. I can't help but think

538
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Speaker 3: that that's probably how this season is going to end

539
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Speaker 3: up playing out again. But he gets a nice little

540
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Speaker 3: shot in the arm at the start of the season,

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Speaker 3: he'll have an entire month off for the Olympics. Maybe

542
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Speaker 3: he gets a nice shot in the arm in the

543
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Speaker 3: second half of the season and have a pretty nice

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Speaker 3: end of his end of his career with the Penguins

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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think he wants to stay, and that's

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Speaker 1: a problem that got to be dealt with at some

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Speaker 1: point because that'd be a tough goodbye. But they well

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Speaker 1: they should have done it years ago. It's a non

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Speaker 1: dynamic with the Penguin structure.

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Speaker 2: Not start.

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Speaker 1: I'm not beyond sinding Gino. But the big question is

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Speaker 1: would you keep Brunick and Kindle. They've each played five games,

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Speaker 1: There's four more to burn before that decision has to

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Speaker 1: be made between the NHL and junior A.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean the way that they're going

557
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Speaker 3: about with this load management thing, and they both gave

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Speaker 3: them a game off that kind of I'm reading the

559
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Speaker 3: tea leaves too much here, but it would indicate you'd

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Speaker 3: think that they'd keep them and that that would be

561
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Speaker 3: like the plan all year long, and that was what

562
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Speaker 3: would be best for their development. Otherwise, why wouldn't you

563
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Speaker 3: just let him play the nine games and then send

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Speaker 3: him back to Junior. I don't know, Brunick, I think

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Speaker 3: for sure should stay. I think he's NHL ready. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if Junior can do anything for him anymore.

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Speaker 3: Kindall more on the fence with I wouldn't be heartbroken

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Speaker 3: if they sent Kendall back.

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Speaker 1: Well, if I kept Kindle, I'd have to give him

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Speaker 1: some top six minutes or better line mates and even

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Speaker 1: some power play time. I don't want to teach Kendall

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Speaker 1: to be a third liner, and if he's just gonna

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Speaker 1: stay here and play third fourth line role in minutes,

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Speaker 1: then I would definitely send him back. It would depend

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Speaker 1: for me as much on what role Musing tends to

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Speaker 1: use him in, as opposed to does he need to

577
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Speaker 1: physically develop. One thing I would do is I would

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Speaker 1: play Kindle on the line with Sid. Yeah you said that,

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Speaker 1: not every game, but I'd do it. I might do it,

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Speaker 1: you know a half or a third of the time,

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Speaker 1: because I think Kendall thinks the game like Sid. But Sid,

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Speaker 1: I mean not that he would not that he would

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Speaker 1: disrespect Kendall. He wants no part of that, as we

584
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Speaker 1: see by Rust and Raquel just topping right on the

585
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Speaker 1: wing when they're both right.

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Speaker 3: Right, and Coyvenen going right back down to Wilkes where

587
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Speaker 3: he's still at Wilkes and hasn't come back to the Penguins,

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Speaker 3: And I just think that's a mistake. That guy's ready

589
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Speaker 3: for the NHL. It's time to sink or swim with him,

590
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Speaker 3: and I want it to happen on sids line.

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Speaker 2: There is no glory to be had by getting the

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Speaker 2: last playoff.

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Speaker 3: Spot, No there is not. So I don't know why

594
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Speaker 3: Covenon's still buried down there, but I like your point

595
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Speaker 3: with Kendall and playing him on the wing some, whether

596
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Speaker 3: it's half or a third of the time, or why

597
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Speaker 3: not even you know, maybe for the last two games,

598
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Speaker 3: last three games of his stint in the NHL, you

599
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Speaker 3: throw him on Sid's wing, just to see how that looks.

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Speaker 3: I think it's worth the experiment. Well, I always go.

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Speaker 1: Back to Alexa morozof this Russian kid who was a

602
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Speaker 1: first round pick for the pen was in nineteen ninety

603
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Speaker 1: five monster offensive talent, and they played him in the

604
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Speaker 1: bottom six here in Pittsburgh until he believed he was

605
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Speaker 1: a bottom six until he became a Chip and Chase player,

606
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Speaker 1: used to score on Prador like Crazy, the legendary New

607
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Speaker 1: Jersey goalie, but pretty much nobody else. And then after

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Speaker 1: the lockott he didn't come back to North America. He

609
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Speaker 1: played in the KHL and won some scoring titles and

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Speaker 1: MVPs over there, and that ain't the NHL, but it

611
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Speaker 1: ain't chopped to live for either, and he was ruined

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Speaker 1: by the way they used him.

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Speaker 3: And one thing that the Penguins don't have a lot of,

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Speaker 3: if any of, in their farm system right now, is legitimate,

615
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Speaker 3: nailed on top six potential star talents. Any You don't

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Speaker 3: think Kendall could become that.

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Speaker 1: I think Kendall ceiling is a is a second line

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Speaker 1: center who gets like twenty goals forty assists per years.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's not really a star per se. It's a

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Speaker 3: very good player on a team that could win a

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Speaker 3: lot of games, help contribute to winning, like Brunick's probably

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Speaker 3: their biggest star right now. He's defense. So it's not,

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Speaker 3: you know, fitting into this mold that we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know, I just I'm kind of going

625
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Speaker 3: along the lines of what you were saying with you

626
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Speaker 3: don't want to ruin somebody like Kendo, who we don't

627
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Speaker 3: think is going to be a star. But maybe the

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Speaker 3: closest thing you have as far as a forward is concerned.

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Speaker 1: Upside into having brawsers and Mantha be top six forwards

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Speaker 1: indefinitely and Kendall.

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Speaker 3: Not well, I mean Mantha, yeah, I mean he's already

632
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Speaker 3: become what he's going to be at the NHL level

633
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Speaker 3: and brass. It's nice to see him be a late bloomer,

634
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: but that's a bottoms. Just flip Kendle and browsers around.

635
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Speaker 3: Put Kendall on browsers.

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Speaker 1: Ain't ain't a late bloomer. He's a bum having a

637
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Speaker 1: hot streak is what he is. A Penguin lifer told

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Speaker 1: me this morning, Tom that Tristan Jari is the worst

639
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Speaker 1: Penguin goaltender ever, and that he plays good when you

640
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Speaker 1: need him to play bad, and he plays bad when

641
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Speaker 1: he needed to play good.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty true. He's a bizarre penguin like he's second

643
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: now all time in shutouts in franchise history with Tom

644
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: Barrasso with his twenty second shutout against the Sharks. And

645
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: he does have those moments of brilliance. Has your friend

646
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Speaker 3: put it often in times that you don't want him

647
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: to have those moments of brilliance, but then he just

648
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: has those unbelievable You'll never forget the Islander series, and

649
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: that's seared in your brain, the gaff he made their

650
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: first shot, first goal. How much that just became a

651
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 3: trend with him. You'll never be able to get that

652
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Speaker 3: out of your head. What a weird penguin he has been.

653
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's been the netminder for almost half a

654
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Speaker 3: decade now.

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Speaker 1: Seems a lot longer. Actually it's a bit lower. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a bit longer than that. Here's a couple weird NHL

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Speaker 1: stats right now. Tom Connor McDavid zero goals in six games,

658
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Speaker 1: seven points, all helpers. But he's too young to hit

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Speaker 1: a wall. I'm gonna lost to explain why he might

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Speaker 1: be slumping.

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Speaker 3: Is it potentially he's just not shooting enough, Like sometimes

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Speaker 3: I remember said when he was in his he never

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Speaker 3: shoots enough. Do you remember? Sometimes it's sitting in his

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Speaker 3: prime would kind of go cold shooting. He would defer, sometimes,

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Speaker 3: not as much as McDavid because Sid has that can.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen McDavid slump enough to venture a guess,

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Speaker 1: but since one of the few players I've ever seen

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Speaker 1: who when he's slumping, does not try to shoot his

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Speaker 1: way out of it. Most players just shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot,

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Speaker 1: shoot till it goes in.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was a big problem with the Oilers

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Speaker 3: in the Stanley Cup last year and some of the

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Speaker 3: playoffs last year too. Is McDavid deferred too much just

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Speaker 3: he did to create his own shots, just start dominating

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Speaker 3: the game himself. So that's curious to see him struggling.

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Speaker 3: Oilers are not struggling though, even though he hasn't found

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Speaker 3: the net. They look pretty good already.

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Speaker 2: Well, McDavid, we'll be fine now.

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Speaker 1: The one I'm wondered about is Alex Ovechkin one goal

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Speaker 1: in six games. I've seen them play three games, and

681
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Speaker 1: he looks slow. He looks slow, and he's not too

682
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Speaker 1: young to hit a wall. He's just not dynamic like

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Speaker 1: he has to be to produce.

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Speaker 3: And is he in it anymore?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: Is the heart's still there? With a after actually breaking

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Speaker 3: the record and having that offseason and putting the feet

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Speaker 3: back a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I don't question.

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Speaker 3: I don't think a thousand goals is really something that

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Speaker 3: he wants, Like, I who am I to speak for him?

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Speaker 1: But he's just shine nine hundred now, yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he've used that when I see him play. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know he's not going to get to with Thoson.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if he just has lost the motivation catboys

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Speaker 3: like he.

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Speaker 1: Would have to get to a thosand he'd have to

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Speaker 1: like score realistically thirty a year for plus for three more.

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna happen. It's not going to happen. He'll

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Speaker 3: get to his nine hundred this year. I wonder if

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Speaker 3: he hangs it up after this season, though, because he

702
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Speaker 3: does look real slow.

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Speaker 1: I really believe Sid will be the last man standing,

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Speaker 1: that he will keep averaging a point per.

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Speaker 2: Game, even as guys like Covets can fade.

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Speaker 3: It's hard for me to say no because you just

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Speaker 3: keep seeing it happen over injury again, correct, but let's

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Speaker 3: pretend that that doesn't exist as a variable. I mean,

709
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Speaker 3: he just keeps coming year after year. His conditioning is

710
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Speaker 3: next to none. He's he's still not as fast as

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Speaker 3: like the McDavid's and the mckinnons of the world, but

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Speaker 3: he keep up with them two hundred feet.

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Speaker 1: And you know what big disadvantage Sid's had. He's never

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Speaker 1: D pregame show Breakfast by Shandroroviit shendrovichin Fisherman.

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Speaker 2: They got your back, not your wallet, Tom, What do

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Speaker 2: we got for the trifecta?

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Speaker 3: Well, since the Canucks are in town tonight, Mark Gmjr.

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Speaker 3: Is coming to town as he's president of Hockey Operator.

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Speaker 2: We know he's coming.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's here or not, but his

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Speaker 3: team is going to be in town.

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Speaker 2: So I not I have not received confirmation or denial.

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Speaker 3: I have my three favorite gm jr. Trades when he

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Speaker 3: was Penguin's general manager. One and two are really easy,

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Speaker 3: so I'll start actually there today. Number one is Kessel

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Speaker 3: for Kapaanan and a bunch of other players involved in

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Speaker 3: picks in that trade as well. Number two, I believe

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Speaker 3: this was actually the first trade that gmgr made Patrick

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Speaker 3: Hornquist for James Neil. He also got Nick Spawling in

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Speaker 3: that deal, who he then sent to Toronto for Phil

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Speaker 3: Kessel in the first deal I mentioned. Three is where

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Speaker 3: it was a little bit harder to narrow down. I

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Speaker 3: bet a lot of people would lean towards Justin Schultz

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Speaker 3: for a third round pick from Edmonton. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: with Carl Haglan, though for David Perron in a pick

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Speaker 3: because I loved Haglin. The speed that he brought to

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Speaker 3: the game, I think really personified that era of speed

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Speaker 3: for the Penguins. He was just one of my you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, you always have those favorite players that aren't stars.

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Speaker 3: Hagland fits in that mold for me.

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Speaker 1: The trifecta brought those by Danny's PiZZ and Hogies en

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Speaker 1: Route eighty eight and in Bethel Park, Pittsburgh's original oven

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Speaker 1: baked Hogy since nineteen sixty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd agree with those. Uh. But first off, I

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Speaker 2: think we underestimate the job Jim did here is GM.

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Speaker 3: He was amazing.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I I think the trades he made

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Speaker 1: I forget the order. But within a relatively brief span

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Speaker 1: he got Kessel, Hagwin, Schultz, Dally and Benino totally transformed

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Speaker 1: the team. It made the Penguins into the fastest team

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Speaker 1: in hockey, made them into Stanley Cup champions. Did know,

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Speaker 1: with not getting stars, it's tough to change the complexion

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Speaker 1: of a team, but only one star caliber player came in.

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Speaker 1: That was Phil and made the rest of the league

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Speaker 1: scramble to adapt to the Penguins. It became a speed

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Speaker 1: league because of the way Jim changed the Penguins roster.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the narrative on Jim got a little

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Speaker 3: bit skewed towards the end too, because he did make

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Speaker 3: some bad moves towards the end and the team wasn't

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Speaker 3: the contender that it was. But how do you criticize

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Speaker 3: him too much when he delivered you back to back

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Speaker 3: Stanley Cups and like you just illustrated moves that he made,

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Speaker 3: overhauls that he did to this roster directly led it

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Speaker 3: to winning those Cups. It's not like he just got

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Speaker 3: a GM job with Sid and Gino as your cornerstones

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Speaker 3: and just kind of made one move that put them

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Speaker 3: over the top. I mean it was completely ripping up

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Speaker 3: the floorboards, starting with that Neil for Hornquist trade. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Neil was a popular player, a tough player to trade,

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Speaker 3: but he wasn't the right player for the Penguins.

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Speaker 1: Horney definitely was well. Jim didn't play fantasy hockey. Jim

792
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Speaker 1: looked for winning players, and Patrick Hornquist was a winning player.

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Speaker 1: He was more needed for what the Penguins lacked as

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Speaker 1: opposed to Nieler, who was a good player but just

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Speaker 1: one of many who played that way.

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Speaker 2: With that team.

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Speaker 3: He made some good trades later on, too, like the

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Speaker 3: Zoocker trade was a good trade, like Zucker was a

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Speaker 3: solid player for the Penguins, his trade for Galchenyak.

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Speaker 1: Trades Jim, he just didn't crap at the wall to

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Speaker 1: see what would stick. And I don't criticize it for that.

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Speaker 1: If he made a mistake, could do his best to

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Speaker 1: fix it, which a lot of gms don't do, a

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Speaker 1: lot of gms don't want to admit a mistake. What

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Speaker 1: on confirmed that one was made by trying to fix it?

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Speaker 1: What do you think the biggest swing in a miss

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Speaker 1: was for him? Was Bisard in that twenty eighteen season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I got it. I didn't mind it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I never dreamed that Derek Pissard would be as big

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Speaker 1: of an a hole that he turned out to be

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Speaker 1: a guy who really thought that we had Sid and Gino.

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Speaker 2: But he shouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: The third line center, right, He would say point blank

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Speaker 1: the people, I've always been a top six center.

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Speaker 3: How do you not have the self awareness? And because

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Speaker 3: it would be beneficial to have that self awareness if

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Speaker 3: you're a bissard. Being a third line center on the

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Penguins is different from being a third line center

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Speaker 3: on like the Arizona Coyotes. Dude, okay, like people would

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Speaker 3: understand that you're not exactly the typical third line center.

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Speaker 1: I remember when Craig Patrick got Ronnie Francis in ninety one,

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Speaker 1: and he came in the first meeting between him and

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Speaker 1: Badger Bob. Bob said, listen, you've been a first line

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Speaker 1: center your whole career. We got a guy here named Lemieux,

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Speaker 1: you're the second line center. And Ronnie said, okay, let's go.

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Speaker 1: And really that Ronnie did so well, and Ronnie's a

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Speaker 1: really smart guy. Operating in Mario's wake, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean that it made him such a much better

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Speaker 1: player and more productive.

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Speaker 3: How many players do you think coaches just assume won't

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Speaker 3: like decisions like that, so they don't even bring it

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Speaker 3: up to them, but would be fine with it if

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Speaker 3: you did, just have the conversation.

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Speaker 2: Bizard wasn't one oh five ninety x