WEBVTT - 3-30-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.000 Still want to be an American. You've got for them 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:05.880 till seven hundred ww. Here we go in this Monday morning, 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:08.039 a little bit better, a little wind at our back, 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.320 because the Reds take two of three in Boston. How 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:12.000 do you like that? 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:13.880 I say? 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:15.800 In Boston against Boston is what I meant to say. 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:18.720 Home game that continues to night against the Pirates. Reds 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.919 keep on rolling. They're looking pretty good, looking pretty good. 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.400 Also happening in Cincinnati. Of course, you may remember this 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:31.200 history always repeats itself. We may have Mahogany's two point 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.800 zero at our hands right now. There is, in this 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.560 time of very very delicate budgets, the city trying to 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.040 save some money. The city is underwater somewhat too, and 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.080 they're asking for budget cuts. At the same time, the 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.440 City of Cincinnati is handing out money to people who 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.600 in I guess private's a private sector. You go to 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.800 get a loan and you can't back up your claims 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.920 and you don't have any collateral. You got problems. But 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.200 the City of Cincinnati, it's your money. We're just going 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.200 to hand it out on this It's a very interesting story. 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.600 Is council Member Mark Jefferys Mark welcome. How are you. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:05.080 I'm doing well. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.600 Thanks, I'm doing before we began, of course, we had 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:10.160 and I have a chance to talk to you. But 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:14.080 what happened Thursday at the at the banks relative to 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.119 the outbreak of crime there too, and some said it's 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.640 a riot, but it was a bunch of individuals out 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.400 there just wreaking havoc, shutting things down. They closed the banks, 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.680 early crime, crime and more crime. I know the Teresa 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:29.360 Thiji report is due out any minute now, and there 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.920 was a prempt to strike by her attorneys to say, well, 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:33.920 it's gonna be a bunch of bs and it's gonna 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.520 be a lot of noise. But there's nothing there, any 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:37.960 word on when that report's coming out. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:39.880 By the way, I. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.440 Don't know on the report what I would say about Thursday. 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:46.000 I mean, honestly, it was disgraceful. I was down for 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:51.840 the parade as usual, an amazing day. Parade was great, 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:56.280 everyone was good. Opening day. The game itself wasn't too great, 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:57.120 but we did recover. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:57.640 It's all right. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.680 But look, I mean, you know, I use the word hooligan. 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:03.680 Some people attack me online, but you know, I mean, 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.200 it's so different than the hooligans to disrupt soccer matches 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:10.079 in Europe. I mean people who disrupt the perfectly peaceful day, 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.840 beautiful day, and you know, I mean, we can't have 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.320 this in our city. So you know, we got to 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.440 I'm grateful that you know. It looks like some of 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.560 the folks are going to have, you know, higher bond, 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.799 which I think is appropriate because you know, we need 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.440 to send a message. Is the same reason why next 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.360 week will be taking up my motion to impound cars 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.800 for up to six months on street takeovers. We have 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:34.920 to send a message to people that you know, this 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.640 is not behavior that is acceptable in our city. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.000 Yeah, I want to get you back on to the 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.680 street takeovers thing because Northern Kentucky is doing something there 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:44.799 where they seize your curR and crush it. I don't 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.040 know if you want to go that far constitutionally speaking, 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:48.720 but we'll circle back on it. But it's part of 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:50.920 pressure for a bigger issue. I guess the biggest issue 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:52.640 I have is people who are clapping back at you 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.000 because use or hooligans. That's a pretty kind term considering 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:56.640 what they were doing. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.800 Yeah, I mean, I mean anyone who's disrupt like that, 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.000 It is a bunch of hooligans and look, I mean, uh, 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.840 you know there were three parts of it, right. There 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.400 were the kids at Washington Park making each other, there 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.760 were people on Bye Street. You can't block an entire street, 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.960 it's just inappropriate. And then down at the Bank it's 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.160 the same thing. So part of it, Scott does come 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.640 back to, you know, we need to make sure that 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.600 people in their neighborhoods, you know, I mean that part 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.480 of the attraction is people want to come downtown because 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:27.840 it's fun and they want to hang out over the 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.440 right things to do. We need to make sure that 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.400 people in their neighborhoods have things to do. You know, 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.760 this Friday, for example, were getting doing a groundbreaking first 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.400 Gate park. All right, make sure kids and people have 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:44.240 things to do in their neighborhood rec centers, libraries, other activities. So, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.880 you know, and especially in opening day. I think next 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:48.360 year we got to look at that. It's like, hey, 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:53.240 what kind of events attraction can we make for kids 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.600 and other folks you know, to hang out in their 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.880 neighborhood enjoy the day rather than you know, everybody gathering down. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.200 Yeah. Yeah, and it's a problem too that looks like 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:04.880 it's going to get worse. I mean, that was a 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:06.960 sample of warm weather. We're gonna have a stretch of 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:08.920 that before you know. It's starting well this week as 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.680 a matter of fact, in the next and you just 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.240 wonder if all Hull's going to break loose to some 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.240 degree because of all this pent up. I want to 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.720 get outside, but it also brings out some hooligans, as 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.159 you said, and other people. I'm going to bring that 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.240 up because right now as we speak, I mentioned the 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.599 Teresa Thigi controversy, and that report is coming out. Hitter 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.719 in Chief Henny is going to testify before Budget and 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.760 Finance because you're working on that right now, and across 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:37.040 the board, departments are told to cut five point one percent. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.080 So a five point one percent budget reduction for police 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.919 equals about eleven million dollars. And the only way to 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.200 cut that, because ninety percent of the budget is personnel, 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.440 the only way of cutting the five point one percent 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.400 is to layoff cops. Can we really afford to lay 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:53.120 police officers off from this environment? 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.240 Yeah, that ain't happening. I mean I think look, I 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:00.120 mean the city manager rightfully, at every department, if you 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.520 had to cut five point one percent, what would that 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.800 look out like which trikes. I think is a good 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.640 exercise to do. I mean I did it all the 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.560 time at PNG. Most private companies do it. Hey, what 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.320 would what would happen if you had to cut five percent? 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.160 And then you go through the exercise and maybe there 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.000 are efficiencies you can do. You can automate different things, 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.680 you can be a little more efficient. Good exercise to do. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:21.760 Are we going to cut police officers? 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:22.440 Should? We know? 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.400 We're going to do the opposite. I have my budget priorities, 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.640 and I think my colleagues would agree. We have to 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.040 continue to invest in new recruit classes. 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:30.680 Uh. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.760 You know, that's that has increased the size of the force. 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.000 We need to continue to invest in recruit classes. So 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:38.960 that's just not going to happen. I think it's a 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.040 good exercise for every department to go through the you know, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:43.280 where are their efficiencies? 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:44.080 Uh? 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:45.960 You know, and then you know, we need to push 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.000 ourselves on, hey how can we operate more efficiency? I 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.279 know the police, you know are doing that even with 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.880 how they leverage groans for example. Uh, you know, there's 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.039 still a lot of ways that they can be more efficient. 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:01.000 You know, going I think through technology, you automating, you know, 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.440 some of the reporting, which I think they would love 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.120 to do. Sure, you know, so I think it's a 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.440 good exercise to go through. But no, we're not going 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.880 to and nor should we see we should be doing 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.240 the opposite, and we will be doing the opposite. Is 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.520 adding more officers to the force. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:20.279 Yeah, okay, So here's where this comes in. There's a 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.800 you know, as members of councils said, hey, you know 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:24.919 there's a lack of sit down restaurants in the West End. 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:26.719 We need to sit down runt. So residents there have 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.120 been trying to renovate a space on lind Street to 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.080 fill that need. You guys a council approved four hundred 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.839 and fifty five thousand over the last three years to 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.440 fund that. But the problem is this the property owner. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.600 So this is a lease. They terminated the West End 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.480 Sports Bar and Grills year long lease at the property. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.680 They said they haven't paid any rent. They're back like 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:51.120 thirty seven thousand dollars. The landlord changed the locks. The owner, 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.560 Nick Johnson, I believe it's a man's name, said you 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.000 can only go in there to retrieve his personal property. 0:06:56.440 --> 0:07:01.280 And and so what happened was we had this money, 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.280 we had four hundred and fifty five thousand dollars. It's 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.280 been invested by the city, but didn't check to see 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:07.680 that he was locked out of his place and he 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.800 was behind, and other members of council stuff and said, well, 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.280 this is for reparations for I seventy five ripping apart 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.480 the neighbor and I'm not quite sure you picked one individual. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.920 This is looking like Mahogany's all over again in that 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.680 in twenty twelve the city voted on council. I know 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.960 you're around that, but six hundred and eighty four thousand 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.200 dollars for Mahoganies at the banks and three hundred thousand 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.360 loans for furnitures, fixtures, equipment, all that stuff, nearly a 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.640 million dollars in financing for Liz Rogers. And from day one, 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.280 it turns out Liz Rogers had multiple leans against her. 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.800 She fell behind on her loan payments rather quickly, and 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:42.840 the city got I think didn't even get the one 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.560 hundred thousand dollars back of the near million, because it 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.360 was a very bad deal from the get go, and 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.280 they just kept throwing money. Council then and the city manager, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.480 Harry Black, just kept throwing money like it was a 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.600 bottomless pit out of some sort of guilt trip to 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.760 say we have to lift this particular African American woman 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.560 up and essentially give her money in order to open 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.320 this business. Well that's all well and good, but again, 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.000 you got to have a tracker of the success before you 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.720 scale that up into something as prominent as one of 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.400 the early buildings on the banks. How is this any 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.280 different than what we're talking about today with this place 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:16.000 on Lend Street. 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:18.320 Yeah, look, I'd take a couple of thanks. 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:18.880 Got first. 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.400 I mean, it's a disaster there. There has been about 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:26.120 sixty thousand that has been spent no more, and the 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.240 question is how can we claw that back? When this 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:33.880 came up, I offered an amendment emotion to set in 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:38.000 a mechanism to claw back any of this money and 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.040 make sure that you know, hey, we can take back 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:44.400 control of you know, whatever that investment is that didn't pass. 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.720 It wasn't even seconded, you know, So what we have 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.920 to figure out how do we get that six thousand. 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.439 I think the bigger question is, you know, the status 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.800 quo wesen any of working right, there's poverty, lack of opportunity, 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.360 lack of a safe place for people to gather, just 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.040 like we were talking about what we want to create. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.360 What I'm trying to do on like youth football fields 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:07.120 and dire parks in uh, in the in the West 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.080 End is to create places for kids to go play, 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.240 places for people to gather, and we do need places 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.640 for families together. The question is how can we accomplish that? 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.760 You know, and you know I've hacked conversations with several 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:23.560 private sector companies including you know, you know folks who 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.240 invested have invested in the West End. How can they 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:30.680 help out to create a place uh, you know for 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.760 people to sit down and families to sit down and 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.040 gether So I think the objective is right. I think 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.880 clearly you know the execution and the way that it 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.240 went went about, and the city has to figure out 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.000 how we get fact up sixty six thousand dollars and 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:44.920 uh and not let the history repeat itself. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.840 Well, what are you talking about like a playground or 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:47.480 something a park? 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:47.920 What? 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.280 When you said just place for families to sit down 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.480 and gather? Are you talking commercial what? 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:52.680 What? 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.400 So there's there are several parts. So if you think 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.040 of the West End, there's a library. Now there's a 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:04.600 rec center. There are plans for a romac like an 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:09.320 art art center, community center, which is great. Uh separately, yeah, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:11.600 I mean there there should be, And the question is 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.920 how can you get there a place for people to 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.920 sit down and have a burger and you know have 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.040 to have a coach if you will. How you get 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.960 there is the question. You know clearly, Uh you know 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.439 this was not and is not the right plan. 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:27.360 Uh. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.559 You know, how can you incent private sector folks to 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.920 help out those who've invested in the West End? I 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:35.760 mean there's a couple of blocks from Sam Adams, a 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.040 few blocks and sites Cincinnati. Uh, you know, so how 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:43.400 can you leverage that to create a state where people 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.440 can walk over and sit down and have a burger 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.320 and relax with their family. And as a result, you know, 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.520 families are hanging out in their neighborhoods and they're not 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.400 going downtown, and kids are not going downtown. They're hanging out. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.959 And whether it's a skate park, a football field, the 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.480 community center, some place where there's also state where they 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.440 can also get mentored and they can have some opportunity 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.839 to get out of the current situation. Because the current 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.920 situation in the West End, it ain't working. 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.440 But if you look at it though, you say, okay, 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.760 we need a place to gather. If you go from 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.800 Ezu Charles all the way up to Liberty which is 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.760 several city blocks, and then between Land and where where 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.280 Tiquol Stadium is, you have Laurel Playground, you got the 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.480 Laurel Rec creer. You've got plenty of green space there. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:27.520 Don't we already have that? 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:29.360 Oh green space? 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:29.600 Yeah? 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.520 I mean I do think I am working, as you 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:36.160 know on a dedicated youth football field dire Park which 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:37.839 is in the west end, right, so you do have 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.199 some green spaces. You do have a rec center and 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.720 you will we will soon have you know, like an 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.439 art center for kids to come and sit down. You 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.880 are and you know, I mean stay out of you know, 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:53.280 have some productive use but having to play some families 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.600 together and you know have a burger great. How we 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.120 get there is the question, you know, and how can 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:04.280 we have private sector folks and the right investor you know, 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.040 stepped in and and you know and help make that 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.000 that's possible. That's the question going forward. 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.959 He is accountsmember, Mark Jeffreys and the Scontsland Show seven hundred. Wow, 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:15.960 there's a sports bar of the West End that's never 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.439 gonna get off the ground. City threw some money at it. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.880 It's like Mahogany's all over again, on a smaller scale, 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.480 but still, I think if you're a taxpayer, you hear 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.079 this and go, okay, let me let me get this straight. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.800 And here's what people are here. They're going, we've got 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.440 this crime going on right now. You're going to have 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.600 budget meetings and you're told the departments prepare what would 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.560 it look like if you cut five point one percent, 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.760 give yourself a five percent haircut across the top. Chief 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:40.599 Adam Henny is going to present to you. Guys, you 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.200 said it's not going to happen. We just this is 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.080 part of the process here. As we ask the departments to 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:47.720 do that. It doesn't really mean we're going to But 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.880 people hear that and go wow, they're going to lose 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.160 eleven million dollars at a time where violence is on 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:53.920 the way up, crime is on the way up, and 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.480 not all over the place, but in many areas, especially 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.760 the high profile ones. A top of that, we just 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.360 ate eight million dollars riverbend two point zero. And of 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.040 course we know the symphony has tons of cash. But 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.240 we're going to give them money anyway. In the meantime, 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.240 we're going to give business to someone who is in default, 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.640 already already been locked out. We're giving him money for 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:14.840 a place that's shuttered because he didn't pay his rent. 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.080 We didn't bother the check that before we wrote the check. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.560 How do you think that's playing with your average voter 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.280 or your average citizen in Cincinnati, Mark, Yeah, I. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.199 Mean, look, first of all, the reason that there's a 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.199 reason why I voted against the eight million for the 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.839 Music Center is because I don't think that we should 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:34.520 be investing and things like that. And eight million is 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.480 a lot when you have a budget deficit of thirty million. 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.520 And I think rightfully to the other reason why I'm 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.080 also non in favor of an increase in the earning tect. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.920 We have to live within our meets, and I've been 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:53.240 the one outspoken voice on that, and you know, I mean, look, 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.720 I think we need to make sure that we are 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.000 smart about our investments. I do think the objective is 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.480 right in the West End, which is, how can we 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:06.959 make sure that folks do have safe spaces to go 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.079 when you have two kids who are shot at playgrounds. 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.040 You know, if I'm a pair in the West End, 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:14.680 I'm like, oh, I don't really want my kid to 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:16.760 hang out on a playground, which is why we're pushing 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:21.840 four things like cameras, things like lights, lighting, and playgrounds, 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.520 you know, and so the objective of yet having a 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.920 place for people together. I think how we get there 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.880 is the question. And how can we have private sector 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:35.680 come in and help out to create a place for 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.560 people to have a burger and a beer and a coke, 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.360 you know, with their family enough, you know, on an evening. 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:44.680 All right, All well, I'm good because I like nice 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.600 spices to go. But you know, I look at what's 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.200 happening in Cincinnat. We have shootings at playgrounds for crying 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.040 out a lot. I mentioned Laurel Playground and the rec center, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.400 their Queen's gates fairly close to they at a rec center, 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:58.480 A lot of green space in that area in the 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.480 West End. And yet okay, we'll play a place where 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.240 see people can sit down, have a burger to coke. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.720 All right, I'm down, But what makes us think that 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.920 the violence isn't just gonna end up there? I mean, 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:08.760 we had a shitting at we had a shooting on 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.480 Fountain Square at City Bird, people firing through the glass 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:13.800 at each other right there on Fountain Square. They're gonna 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.200 do that on Fountain Square, and they're gonna do that 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:15.800 in the West End. 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.360 Yeah. Well, look, I mean this is a bigger problem 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.640 if you well know Scott, right. I mean, when somebody 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.160 shoots someone and a police officer of the incident you 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.920 mentioned in Fountain Square was literally twenty feet away. We 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.120 need officers. We need more officers than we will recruit more, 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.680 but we can't. And police will be the first person 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.920 say that police our way out of it. Because when 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.560 somebody shoots somebody twenty feet away, it's a tigger. So 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.600 we have to create and it starts with kids. But 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.640 to create opportunities, job opportunities, you know, making sure that 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.600 folks are getting, you know, into the trades. You know, 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.520 we're building things like the Brenstone Fridge Western Hills Viaduct, 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:57.080 and we get people trained as iron workers and laborers 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:02.080 and plumbers. And that is the only way you know, 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.480 to give people opportunity and uh, you know, and get 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.320 out of the poverty that we see in the West 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:12.320 End through education and job opportunities and showing kids that 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.560 you know, people adults can be responsible. You know, I 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.600 want kids in the West End seeing people, you know, uh, 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.840 go to the bus stop with the bus driver or 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.600 the security guard and they're responsible. They're getting on the 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.920 bus and they're coming home in the afternoon and they're 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.840 taking care of the family. That's the kind of that's 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.120 the only way out. We're not going to be able 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.000 to police our way out of it, you know. 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:36.840 Uh. 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.520 And but we also do need police. We need both, yes, 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:42.720 and so that's the only folution to go forward. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.320 Yeah, you mentioned the earnings tack and earning sacks and 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.000 this is part of it. And saying hey, we cut 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.600 five percent, we do the earnings tax, but again giving 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:54.440 money to riverbend, money to people already in default. Uh 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.280 that that really if you that's really going to hurt 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.280 that vote is for NERD. I'm not debating whether or 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.160 not to raise the earnings tax, but boy, that's gonna 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:03.880 be a hard He'll de climb for you guys based 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:04.080 on this. 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.520 Yeah, I mean there's a reason why. I mean I 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.400 said this before the last campaign, and I haven't changed 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.159 my position. You know, you eat your carrots before you 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.639 eat your dessert. There are plenty of efficiencies and things, 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.280 and I am laying them out in my budget parity motion. 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.600 I've got a lot of efficiencies and opportunities. You start 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.480 there before you ask, you know. I mean, it's the 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.680 same thing with kids. You know, you don't give them 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.080 a stake increase in their allowance if they're not doing 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:32.000 their tour correct. 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.280 So you got That's where I want the City Cincinnati 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.400 to be my parents. You seem kind of like generous 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.360 about that, kind of lax about that, if you will. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:41.760 I'm not lax about it, my friend. 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.159 I'm I'm talking about in general. It's like it's like, 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.080 I know, you guys are like the cool parents. You're 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.680 buying my weed for me. I know you're fighting against 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.159 this mark. That's why you on the show, and I 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.119 appreciate that because five percent is not going to happen 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.199 with the police department. But also just be more responsible 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.440 and running it like a business in some reguards instead 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.159 of just handing money out Willy Nilly probably would go 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.960 a long way. I know that you're in the heat 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.320 of budget meetings right now. Chief Heny's going to testify 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.040 and give his proposal, and I'll take your word for 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.280 it that the city will now touch a dime of 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.639 police money because we really can't afford it, and I 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.159 think they'd be the dumbest thing to do. And I'm 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:18.720 sure there's a couple of members of council that will 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.200 vote for it. But again, it sounds like a winner 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.800 to me. Mark Jeffers, appreciate the time as always, Buddy, 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:24.320 appreciate you. 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:25.399 Thank ye. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.879 You got money for River Bend. You're wanting eleven million 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.199 dollar haircut for the police. Crime and violent crime at 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.520 that is starting to pick up quite a bit from 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.879 the cold summer, because the cold winter months before we're 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.600 heading the summer here. And on top of that, you're going, well, 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:43.600 maybe an earnings tax for the people that work still 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.160 work down town. Okay, great, we got money. We need 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.199 more money coming in because they're thirty million dollars upside down. 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.280 But meanwhile, we're gonna hand out money to Riverbend. We're 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.720 gonna hand up money to a bar who has absolutely 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.800 wouldn't pass like the first test if you went to 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.760 a bank and asked for that kind of money. You know, 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:00.600 I get the city is there to and some cash 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.000 ou to help people out by I get it, But 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.320 you have to show that you'll be a good steward 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.639 of that money, and clearly we forget that lesson went 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:12.800 it's public dollars. Scott's loan show seven hundred W. All right, 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.359 here we go back at it Monday morning. Grind is 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.200 on here on seven hundred W. LW helps with the 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.680 Reds performed very well this weekend. Jeff Card eleven thirty 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.600 five on that with lockdown Reds taking two or three 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:28.200 from the Socks to open up the year. Rhet Lauder 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.240 looked pretty damn good yesterday. Au Haenio Suarez hitting that 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:35.440 three run homer and the Reds get it done, especially 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.960 after the Dane Meyers walk off single on Saturday. So 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.280 we're looking good as Pittsburgh comes to down five forty 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.800 inside pitch preempted and added rock just a little bit, 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.280 and you'll hear here on the Home of the Red 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.720 seven hundred W. It fired up for some nice baseball weather. 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.920 It looks like today is going to cooperate. I think 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.280 I think we got a day game on Wednesday, so 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.200 we shall see weather wise, But it looks like you're 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.000 not of like the rain's gonna hold off to the afternoon. 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:05.240 So if you're going to do that first business Person's special. 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:07.760 We might be okay, we might be okay. So I 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:10.640 just had to Mark jeffries On council member talking about 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.439 mahoganies all over again. If you go back a decade 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.119 in a decade is a universal way, let's face it, 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.280 especially the way things move today. Used to be Hey, 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:22.000 you know a couple of weeks ago, and now we 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:26.119 kind of live for today and be damned tomorrow because 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:27.840 we just want to get through today. It's just how 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:32.000 it is. But history is a great indicator future behavior. 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.760 I just understand if you're squeezed by thirty million dollars 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.080 while you're handing money out to individuals who clearly aren't 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.920 responsible enough or a good bet to pay it back. 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:43.960 I mean, it seems like a pretty low bar to cross. 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.720 Say hey, are you solvent? Do you have some assets? 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:50.760 Are you are you making your mortgage payments? Didn't do 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:52.439 that in the case of this West End bar And 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:55.560 it's this all over again. But it's taxpayer money. It 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:57.679 runs on a motion and not fact. And there you go. 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.520 Because if you're you know, if you say, look, you've 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.120 got to show me your assets, show me your liabilities. 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.520 Show me a business plan, come up with a white paper, 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.520 give me something here, give me a track record of success, 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.560 show me something. And if you can't do that, then 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:14.919 you're not on top of the money. And let's not 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.840 confuse fact with emotion. And I would say race is 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.639 an emotion in this one, that somehow this individual was 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.000 owed a bar because of what happened when hell, back 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.200 in the fifties, when we started blowing up road towns 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.879 to some degree, like downtown Cincinnati, to put ice seventy 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.560 five through it, which of course just reak tavoc on 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.440 the black community. And there's no question about it. However, 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.440 I would say that how does that entitle someone who 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:42.920 shouldn't be given essentially money, that that loan to having 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:44.280 a loan real it is more of a grant because 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:46.959 he can't pay it back. I mean, that's just like 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.520 that's like, say, well, the defense's racism is what it is. 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:51.840 How dare you question this because it's racism. No, it's not. 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.760 It's it's being a good steward of tax payer dollars, 0:21:54.880 --> 0:22:00.760 especially when you're asking workers in Cincinnati to consider an 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:05.199 increase in their taxes. You know, we're talking about an 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.560 earnings tax coming up here, How are we going to 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:08.840 write the ship? How are we going to pay for 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:13.680 all this? We're asking departments to cut five percent, including police. Now, 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:17.000 Jeffrey said that wouldn't happen, But again that's one voice 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:20.040 of many uncountable. See, I'm willing to believe he's right 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:22.600 on that one, that there's not the specially the optics 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:26.440 of that are terrible considering the high profile crimes opening day, 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:30.040 notwithstanding that have been going on in the winter and 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:33.000 now the summer's about here in Holy Cow. Hopefully that's 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:36.520 not an indicator what's going to happen. But I suppose 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.719 if you're downtown, you work downtown, you live downtown, you're 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.120 like me, you like going downtown. I enjoy being downtown. 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:44.040 But is this going to have a chilling effect that 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:47.119 already has. It doesn't look good when you're handing out 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:51.359 money to riverbend, when you're asking for a earnings tax increase, 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:53.439 when you're asking police to take a haircut to go 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:55.720 I'm going to give this guy on secured loan. Basically, 0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:58.800 it's like, how hard is it you mean to tell 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:02.360 me that? I guess the defense here as well, it's 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.000 you know we have to lift up black folks. Okay, 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.480 I'm fine for helping people long, lift people up who 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:09.719 have been compromised and marginalized. I get it, But are 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:11.239 they a good risk? You mean to tell me that's 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.560 insulting because you mean to tell me you can't find 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:19.040 another minority interest that has a better business plan, that 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.560 is more solvent, and someone has it more together than 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:25.560 this guy, Like why that's racism itself? Like, well, this 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:28.640 is the best representative. No it's not. There's plenty of 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:33.080 minority entrepreneurs, black, female or otherwise that probably would be 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:36.160 that most definitely would be. I should say a better investment, 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.000 and I know one of them personally, and you're not 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.639 hearing about it because it was a good investment. But 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:43.320 we got to do better. You got to do better. 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.320 The optics on this are terrible. Tell you what else 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:52.640 is terrible? Back to sports here, Tiger Woods arrested Friday 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.879 and Florida suspicion of dui. It wasn't alcohol because he 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:59.240 blew a triple zero, which is good, but refuse a 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.120 year in test which triggered the dv DUI charge over 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:05.720 I charge driving a land Rover on Jupiter Island. He 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:09.280 overtook a pressure cleaning truck at high speed, hit the 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.359 trailer and rolled over the car. Second time he's rolled 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:15.240 a car over. Of course, remember back before the Genesis 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.880 open in twenty twenty one in La Or he rolled 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:23.359 that vehicle. So his second DUI arrest and third notable 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:27.439 car incident since two thousand and nine, So he has 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.080 quite a few of these things. I've been driving for 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:32.080 a long time. I love it answer to this question, 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:37.400 how do you roll a car over? I mean, he's 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:42.720 pretty good at flipping cars. I've ever long time, never 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:44.840 got to the point where and maybe driving a little 0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:46.119 fat enjoy to drive fast. 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:46.840 I don't know. 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:49.359 Do you think it's because it's an SUV that they're 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.920 more prone to roll over? But man, my god, he's 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.119 on a residential street. It looks like it's just like 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:58.639 a regular twenty five mile in our neighborhood. And so 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:01.560 he decides he's going to fly around a cleaning vehicle, 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:04.320 hits the trailer, and it causes the car to roll over. 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:08.359 I mean, that's incredible, it really really is. Which is 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:11.720 more of the olm my god this again. But you know, 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:14.359 if you had to guess Tiger Woods is dealing with 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.800 chronic pain from the rollover accident he had last time, 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:23.639 and he's had what seven back surgeries, countless other surgeries 0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:25.680 because of the violent way he hits a golf ball 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.320 or had hit a golf ball. He had that most 0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:31.120 recent one where he rolled over the genesis a duy 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.160 where his legs are so badly injured. They were talking, 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:36.320 Remember they're talking amputation. He might lose a leg or 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.560 legs as the case may be. Now, Fortunately he got 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.359 back to golf, never going to be his former self. 0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:46.080 It's just too damn hard, you know, having some surgeries 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:48.920 like that, certainly not the level Tigers had, but hell 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:53.359 foot surgery, backfusion, shoulder, Yeah, you just to try and 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.480 get back what you had is damn near impossible. I 0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:58.720 will say it is impossible because you get older and 0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:01.280 then add ads and there's rehab and your just bodies 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.000 just not the same anymore. And so I'm guessing, you know, 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:06.679 he's dealing with chronic pain from his whole career for 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:08.800 what he did for a living for so many years. 0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.800 And this is a guy who's in desperate need, in 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:15.479 my opinion, of some rehab. But you wonder if he's 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.359 gonna wind up getting that. I mean, you think of 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.840 athletes like hul Cogan comes to mind. His body was 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.880 so screwed up from wrestling that he was popping pain 0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:27.960 meds like there were altoids from back in the day, 0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:31.040 just to just to be able to survive, just be 0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:35.400 able to move. And so guys like this, high level 0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:38.320 athletes like that, push themselves over and over and over 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.560 again to win. And what happens is eventually, like all 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.679 of us, your body betrays you. You think at this 0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.359 point he's got to be considering retirement. It's like I 0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:48.880 got to get out of the spotlight for a while. 0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:51.200 He has TGL going, which is great. He's got a 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:54.000 lot of business interest he's trying to is obviously not 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.760 going to beat the Masters this year, and that's that's 0:26:57.840 --> 0:26:59.600 all part of who Tiger was is I get it. 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:02.000 I get the There may be some depression elements in there, 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:05.200 and he may be dependent on medication. It certainly looks 0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:09.240 that way after the third OVI. But the other element is, 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:12.320 here's a guy who's rich enough to be able to 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:14.679 have a full time driver with his z own You 0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:17.359 can afford your own driver, you can you presumably have 0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:20.320 security and other things. Why not have a driver. And 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:22.879 for someone who has as much money as Tiger Woods, 0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:26.480 that's pretty easy. I would say that if you look 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.480 at well, for example, athletes like Bengals players for example, 0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:32.680 you know you're speed up and down the street and 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:36.959 causing you know, you essentially are an outlaw because you're 0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:39.600 busted for speeding and having street races and stuff like that. 0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:42.359 We've also seen others like pac Man get in trouble. 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.399 Why why are you driving yourself? You've got money, you 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.120 could be able to afford a driver, Lacky somebody like that. 0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:49.199 And I bring this up because I go, what are 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:51.800 the odds that Tiger Woods has more ov eyes than 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:53.760 John Daily? I mean to look at John Daily. That 0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:56.320 guy's an unmitigated disaster when he was Tiger's age. He's 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.639 a little bit older now, but nonetheless John Daily, I 0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:00.639 don't think he's ever really had those kind of problems 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.040 like Tiger Woods has. And that's a guy who was 0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.480 drinking on the golf court. He pie's firing a beer 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:09.440 shotgun and a beer between holes, firing down snickers, dyed 0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:13.399 cokes and smokes. I thought, well, John Daily, there's a 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:16.000 guy who's gonna get never as far as I know, 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:17.400 i'd have to go look that up. I don't think 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:19.240 he's ever been popped before, certainly now to the high 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:22.760 profile rollover like that. But here's Tiger Woods, who's pretty 0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:26.120 straight laced. He's a work ethic is second to none. 0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:30.320 He gets early, he gets there early, stays late. The goat, 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.000 Tiger Woods is still the goat. You hate to see 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:35.159 that legacy diminished because of things like this, and it 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:37.080 looks like that's happening. But one may ask you, like, 0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:39.040 why don't you just get a lack. You're a driver, 0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.480 something along those lines to take you from point A 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.760 to point B. I guess there's a certain thrill of 0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:46.240 driving the car he's got, always like a range Rover SUV. 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.240 I'm sure he's Tiger Woods can to afford any car 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:53.040 he wants, into the Sun Vintage or otherwise he should 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.240 be set. I think there's probably some fun to driving 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.080 your own car, driving yourself roll them up in a 0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.240 nice rig like that. But damn, at the end of 0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:03.920 the day, if you are if you're abusing painkillers or 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.680 using painkillers, says right in the bottle opiates, don't don't 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.480 use this in drive. Okay, it says right there, there's 0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.600 there's a certain liability on Tiger's part. But you just 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:14.960 watch a icon like Tiger Woods on wine and he 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.200 was getting it back too, because you know the TGL thing, 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.040 a bunch of other things kind of forgot about what 0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:23.120 happened in California a few years ago, and this comes 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.360 back again. You just wonder if now more it happens 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.640 it's a second high profile accident like this in a 0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:32.480 few years, that what happens to Tiger Woods the brand 0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:35.880 at this point, it does tarnish that whole thing, and 0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:37.680 he's got to worry about his legacy and this is 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.160 starting to overshadow that legacy. I didn't think he'd ever 0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.880 say that about Tiger Woods, who dominated the sports for 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:46.320 so many years. But good lore, Ben, get yourself in 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.280 a program, get some help. We'll talk more on this 0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:52.040 at ten thirty five. Julie hattershares our licensed mental health expert, 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.280 mental health money in the Scott's Loan Show. Yeah, this 0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:57.040 story and then that this is a depressing story. The 0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.360 uplifting story is a guy like Gary Woodland, who just 0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.960 won the Huge this Weekend one in Houston, as a 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.240 guy who had brain surgery what three years ago and 0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:10.120 had serious PTSD. He's able to overcome all that and 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:13.560 win a tournament this weekend. Pretty big, Pretty big. I'll 0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:15.360 get a time out in and more to follow. News 0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:17.840 on the way in about ten. Laura Kartch is here. 0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.520 She's a Middle Eastern expert. We'll talk about Iran with 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:22.720 the latest is we've got ten thousand more troops there, 0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:25.600 so about fifty thousand not what the people want. How 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.760 much longer are we going to do this? Because the 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.280 economy is starting to shake and shimmy a little bit, 0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:33.000 and of course we don't know where the endgame is 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:34.880 and this one maybe she does. We'll talk about that, 0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:36.760 what the next steps are for this week. Just to 0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:42.280 add Scott's loan show seven hundred w WELW. News come 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:44.840 up in about four minutes here seven hundred w WELW. 0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.560 We'll get into I ran the very latest. It's affecting markets. 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:49.920 The oil surge is real. We're getting four dollars a 0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.680 gallon gasoline right now, and that's what it is here 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:55.360 in Cincinnati, about four bucks a gallon. Good luck you 0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:57.880 get a little cheaper. How much more pain are we 0:30:57.880 --> 0:30:59.920 going to suffer? At the pump, and this all plays 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.320 what's happening in the Strait of Hormuz and Iran and 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.680 whether that we can wrap this thing up and sit down. 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.800 Have some negotiations in Pakistan with the Iranians, but they 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:11.160 say that's not happening. Trump says it is. The Pakistani 0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:13.800 say it is. So we'll see what occurs. But Laura 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.480 Kirsch is on at ten oh seven on this and 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:19.560 the very latest. As we get more troops involved, which 0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:22.240 is nothing, I think very very few people want that 0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:24.880 to be. Go one honest with you, that seems like 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:28.320 a breaking point. We'll find out. Conservatives have Kid Rock 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:34.840 and John Void, Liberals have Bruce Springsteen and Jane Fonda. 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:38.400 You're guaranteed, and if it's a big rally, if something 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:42.080 BIG's going on that is all about the brand, and 0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:44.640 that's what it is, a brand, then you're going to 0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:48.760 have either of those two showing up. So they did 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.360 another No King's Rally. Because the first ones are so 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:53.600 successful in getting stuff to change the way they want 0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:56.720 them to change, why not do it again. So sure 0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.479 they did, and tens of thousands of people showed up 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.280 all over, including here in Cincinnati. I'm not quite sure 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.400 what it gets you. I think it's a bunch of 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:07.040 just degrieved people from with different grievances. But that's what 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.360 we see. Protests have evolved today in a one cause 0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:12.560 it's many. Everyone who's got a gripe and an acts 0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:14.080 to grind is going to be out there with a sign. 0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:18.800 And in Minnesota this weekend they had about two hundred 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:24.360 thousand people at estimate, who were protesting against this administration 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:26.960 or whatever it is. They're protesting against all all the 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:31.960 things everything. Some ess I'm gonna say one hundred and so, 0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:33.920 others ay two regardless, is a pretty big crowd. But 0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.360 the headliners were Jane Fonda and Bruce Springsteen. And I'm 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:41.120 shocked to learn that Bruce Springsteen does not like Republicans. 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:46.760 I'm absolutely shocked. How hard does it get Bruce Springsteen 0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:50.080 to come out for something like this? Yeah, I guess 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:52.040 Green Day probably another but and maybe that I was 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:53.200 politically active, I don't know. 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:54.480 Yeah. 0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:56.200 For me, I know some people like I would never 0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.120 listen boycott broke, okay, boycott all you want. Like if 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.959 Springsteen was coming Cincinnati, I'd buy a ticket. I just 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:06.640 I don't think he'd espoused I was sung once before here, 0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.160 and he wasn't too political about it. I can't remember 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.440 who's in office at the time, but I do not 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:13.600 want to pay a ticket and then hear thirty minutes 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.320 of the bitch about you know things that you think 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:18.160 you can change, that you're smarter than the rest of us, 0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:20.920 just shut up and play the heads. But yeah, and 0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.400 whether it's that or I don't know. I like Kid 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.400 Rocks music too, for that mattered as well. I have 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:32.280 a couple of his albums downloaded. Phenomenal writer, but same thing. 0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:34.120 It's like, i'd go see Kid Rock. I'd see him. 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:36.480 I don't really care where your politics are, just hoping 0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:38.480 you don't mention too much about it. We'll all get 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.280 along nice. I mean, I guess if Jane Fonder John 0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.560 Voyd made a movie worth watching, i'd probably watch that 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:43.920 as well. 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:44.360 I don't know. 0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:48.760 I like to be entertained. Are you not entertained? I 0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:50.200 don't know if i'd show up at a No King's 0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:51.920 rally to hear him though, that's a whole different thing. 0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:54.720 It's gonna be all politically that wite, No thanks. I 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:57.400 can consume the product but disagree with the politics. I'm 0:33:57.400 --> 0:34:00.520 cool like that. We'll do news and more to follow here. 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.520 It's the Scott's Loan Show, Monday Morning, Back at It, 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:08.520 seven hundred WWT, Cincinnati, an American all right, Monday Morning, 0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:11.560 Back at It flowby seven hundred ww So. A month 0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.440 into the war with Iran, we've got oil over one 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:17.360 hundred bucks a barrel. US troops are taking fire in 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.840 Saudi Arabia, We're putting more on the ground. Secretary of 0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:21.880 Rubias as nobody in Washington you're sure is even in 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:26.120 charge in Tehran, and we've got a Middle East policy experts, 0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:28.160 tell us what's really happening, what the play is here. 0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:31.000 Laura Karts is a Fox News contributor, among other things, 0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:32.640 joining the show this morning. Laura, are you. 0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:35.400 I'm well, thank you? How are you well? Much for 0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:35.879 having Yeah? 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:39.200 Of course, so Marco Rubio told our allies at G seven, 0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.920 there's genuine and certainly about who's actually making decisions in 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.160 Tehran right now. As someone who studies this, what's that 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:46.959 tell you about the state of their government. 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:50.640 At this point? I do believe that there might be 0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:55.160 a scramble right now, you know, given the old Ayatola Alijmeni, 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:56.080 who's dead. 0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:56.879 His successor. 0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:04.680 His son is I'm so sorry. His name Mukshaba Hamani. 0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:08.000 He's actually reportedly recovering from an air strike right now 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.840 in a hospital, but it's been a while now that 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:12.840 he's been out of the media and it's raising doubts 0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:16.000 on whether or not he's dead or alive. You know, 0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:18.760 the situation on the ground as well is not that great. 0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:22.120 The power is still down in the capital, there's more 0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:25.600 strikes coming in from Israel, and Iran is responding. Of course, 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:30.640 the internal instability will persist, but there's nothing televised as 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:34.360 of late. There's reports saying more than forty percent of 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:37.640 Ruran's population is also now living below the poverty line. 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.840 So there's a whole risk of new protests as well 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:42.960 amidst everything that's been going on. 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:46.440 That's the concern, right des there protest because of their 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.480 standard of living, because of the pain and agony, and 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.680 right now it's directed towards the regime. But again, if 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.080 we're not careful, we've seen this before, Laura, how long 0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.680 before it flips and it's our fault as opposed to 0:35:57.840 --> 0:35:59.279 the oppressing government that. 0:35:59.239 --> 0:35:59.560 They have. 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:04.840 Right exactly, and that's what the Trumpet administration is trying 0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:07.040 to do because they're not really trying to send in 0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:10.680 the three thousand troops that have been promised, right, they're 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.080 trying to do this as swiftly as possible. And you know, 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:16.880 as a Secretary of State, Marko Reveal also just mentioned 0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:19.839 that this sport's going to take another two to four weeks, 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:23.240 so without a real timeline, I think everyone's just waiting 0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.560 to see whether or not we invade or whether or 0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:28.920 not we do take over the nearby island, Hog Island, 0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:32.600 which also holds ninety percent of Iran's oil exports. 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:36.000 Wow, so Iranian officials they it seems like they want 0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:39.120 to negotiate. One of the things that came out last 0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:41.560 week was that Trump is negotiating with themselves, saying they're 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.480 not talking to us, but clearly Pakistan is involved in this, 0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:47.279 and saying the two guys are maybe close to meeting 0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:49.280 at some point, are coming up with a plan at least, 0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:52.799 and talks we're getting. Talks are awesome. So kind of 0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:54.919 would think that the US is not doing the spy, 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:57.920 We're not doing this on our own. But Iranian officials 0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.040 who wanted a negotiation I reportedly after their phones to 0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:04.680 avoid being assassinated. How do you conduct the plumbacy in 0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:05.560 that kind of environment. 0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:09.799 Well, that's the confusing part. You know, we as you said, 0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:12.760 we're one month in and there have been NonStop strikes 0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:15.360 back and forth. But all the while, you know, Trump 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:18.400 is saying that Iran is actually desperate to make a deal, 0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:22.719 but their recent refusal of a US fifteen point plan 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:26.360 is showing us otherwise. Now you know what happened in Pakistan. 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:30.600 Pakistan also hosted the foreign ministers of Saudi Arabia, Turkey, 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:34.880 and Egypt for in depth regional security talks. I believe 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:37.279 they have their second meeting this past weekend and their 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:41.200 meeting again today. So I do believe that we're what 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:45.160 we're looking at is an expanding war, you know, to 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:47.960 the much to the chagrin of the Trump administration, who 0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:49.719 wants to be out by the next month or so. 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.839 How much longer does this drag on? Rubio said, two 0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.160 to four weeks, so we'll be two months into this thing. 0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:58.920 I just presume, based on what you told me, Laura, 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:00.399 it's going to be longer than that. 0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:04.920 I personally presume it might take up until, you know, 0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:08.279 the first month of summer. Let's say June July. But 0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:11.279 again I do hope Ruvio is right and it'll only 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:12.960 take another four weeks, all right. 0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:15.279 So the conclusion then is what I mean, how does 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:17.960 the regime save face. They're not going to simply turn 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.080 their guns over and say, okay, you put a system. 0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:21.759 You can put a democratic system in here, which of 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.839 course we've tried many times. It doesn't work. What does 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:26.080 an agreement look like? 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:31.120 An agreement? I would say, you know, it starts with 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.680 the citizens of Iran. As you said, they might reach 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.600 their own breaking breaking point. And I think at this 0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:39.319 point the main mission for the US is actually the 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:42.560 oil and carve island and reopening the straight upr Moose 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:45.440 because that's really put a choke hold on imports and 0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:49.880 exports around the world. As far as regime change, I 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.960 don't believe that it's in the US's interest to go 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:56.360 in and invade just for that. I think it is 0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:59.799 up to the citizens to choose their next leader, whether 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.759 or not it's an Ayatola, that's yet to be determined. 0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:07.200 We have fifty thousand troops now on the well on 0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:10.400 the ground in the region there specifically. Now, if you 0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:12.560 hear that headline, oh my God, we sent fifty thousand troops. 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:15.000 Now we have forty thousand there already on the bases 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:17.440 that we have. It's an additional ten thousand there may 0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:20.760 me more that is not playing well at home, especially 0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:24.239 with Donald Trump's base, And the question would be how 0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:28.000 many more soldiers, sailors and airmen do you need in 0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:30.800 that region? And can can this thing be done without 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:32.799 us having to go in and get the nukes out, 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:34.800 which essentially means a ground invasion. 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:39.440 Right exactly. And Trump also added that we have about 0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:42.920 thirty five hundred targets left, so he's assuming that it's 0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:45.000 going to be done pretty quickly. But then at the 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:49.720 same time, our thirty first Marine Expeditionary Unit just arrived 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:54.000 excuse me, in the Middle East, and this past weekend 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:58.719 they also just used dozens of Tomahawk missiles. So it's 0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:03.040 looking like diploma see, along with some bombings. And I'm 0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:04.839 honestly not sure how long this is going. 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:08.759 To take, Yeah, Rubio said Laura Kurchis to what two 0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:11.520 to four weeks to another month, but that may be 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:15.360 accelerated because Trump said he has an April sixth deadline, 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:16.920 so that'd be next week for a ran to make 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:18.960 a deal their face strikes on power plants. Is that 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:22.239 a credible ultimatum? Is it Trump saber rallying. Is he 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:25.400 just simply spewing stuff with no backup, or is a 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:27.000 negotiation tactic or all of that. 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:31.399 It's actually very credible because they are starting to hit 0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:36.120 some of their energy infrastructure. But Iran is responding back 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:39.920 because it also is hitting the golf country's water desalination sense, 0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:44.000 So the situation, can you get can ascolate pretty quick. 0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:48.319 You know, Israel is also hitting South Lebanon, So there's 0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:52.000 just a lot more expansions to this right now, and 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:55.000 it's including you know, a lot more infrastructure. It's including 0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:59.759 the universities as well, I running University. Iranian is also 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.319 bombing and saying, well, we're going to hit American universities 0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:06.239 also if you don't stop. So this can be a 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:08.640 sit for tat and it can go up all the 0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:10.160 way to the summer, all the way up to the 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:12.960 end of the year. But Iran, the. 0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:15.000 Main thing is that it's continuing. 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:17.680 To respond in attacking its schools countries, which is not 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.680 in America's interest as well, because half of them are allies. 0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:25.400 When it comes to targeting the water and energy infrastructure. 0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:29.319 Just this past weekend it was hitting to wait with 0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:34.440 their water and energy infrastructure. Saudi Arabia, the UAE, now 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:37.200 Jordan is being pulled into the meetings. So it's the 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.600 strikes are marking very major escalations. So I think at 0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:43.120 this point it's in Trump's interest to be escalate. 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:46.000 Yeah, you look at the map, and you've got all 0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:49.160 these countries around they're getting sucked in. Yemen, adjacent to 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.640 Saudi Arabia is now getting pulled in well to some 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.839 degree anyway, because the who thies have entered the chat. 0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:59.680 How significant is that intil is that escalation exactly? 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:04.600 So, yeah, the Yemeni hoopies actually attacked Israel this past weekend, 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:09.040 so they're officially joining the war. They used ballistic missiles, 0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:11.960 and you know this was after repeated warnings that they 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:15.719 would enter the war if the energy and infrastructure attacks 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:21.319 don't stop. And so you know, if we're thinking about expansion, 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:23.759 we also have to think about the Sicity rock. We're 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:28.280 also influenced by Iran. We have Habela as well in Lebanon, 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:34.279 and I think recently actually the new Iatola sent an 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:38.719 appeal to the Iraq based Aatola, which you know, signals 0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:42.200 some very bad news for the US and Israels don't 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:42.759 go their way. 0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:43.840 By April six. 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:48.160 Down here Stateside, we have nearly three hundred American troops injured, 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:51.880 two hundred twenty five with traumatic brain injureds tdis. We 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:54.600 haven't fully absorbed those casualty numbers yet. Does that Does 0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:58.080 that change a calculus or this administration? And is that 0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:01.200 a slow ticking time bomb for at least from a 0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:02.720 political standpoint here in America. 0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:07.359 I think at this point, you know, Trump was advertising 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:12.120 regime change, but I think things are a little more complicated, 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:15.880 especially now the soldiers are being harmed. So again, the 0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:18.640 main mission has to be reopening the strait of her 0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:21.959 moves and you know, getting out of there as quickly 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:22.680 as possible. 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:26.800 Marco Rubio said that he wants the Allies Allied nations 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:29.120 to police the straight of her moves after the war ends. 0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:33.680 Is that realistic as far as post war architecture goes, 0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:35.160 and who enforces that? 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.800 Those are some great questions, and I believe at this 0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:43.200 point it's not very realistic given the way that Iran 0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:47.600 is acting and responding with the talk A couple of 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:51.640 boats actually internationals have been bombed in the Strait since 0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:55.560 February twenty eighth, and you know, I like the way 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:57.719 that Trump is being positive and saying we're going to 0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.080 get a deal soon, but it's not looking like that 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:03.560 in reality, and especially with their responses of bombing. You know, 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:07.560 even ships from the Netherlands, from Greece, from Japan very 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:12.920 random and the only real ships that can pass at 0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:16.600 this moment are commercial ships and that's not without tools. 0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:19.080 So I'm not sure if it's very realistic to go 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:22.240 in to an island that is mixed to the Strait 0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:25.640 and say, you know, we control it without causing something bigger. 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:28.760 Yeah, exactly. And you know, you look at that choke point, 0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:31.759 the straight of her moves outside the Persian Gulf, and 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.720 you see how it's easy it is. You know, school 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:36.680 kid could tell you how easy it is for Iran 0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.560 to attack anything going through there. And now they have 0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:42.680 been for a while talking about maybe tolls. That's another 0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:45.160 layer to this thing. Is it about money from Iran? 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:49.120 I can't think that that. I'm like, okay, so you 0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:51.120 want to open it by toll lane here that they 0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:52.759 have to pay a price to Iran. I'm not quite 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:56.800 sure how that boils up to being something that's negotiable 0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:58.680 even it's like it's okay if I guess if you 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:00.720 want to do that, you can. I'm not sure that works. 0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:03.120 But that certainly is not one of the big things 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:04.040 about this war, is it. 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:07.560 No, I don't think it's more about the money than 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:11.600 it is about the control of in the region. You know, 0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:15.719 as I said, they have they have administered in an 0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:18.960 official tools for the ships that were stuck there and 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:22.800 passing through. But I think it's more or so to 0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:26.240 control the actions of the United States in the region, 0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:29.360 which is why Trump is probably fighting back and resisting. 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:33.200 But you know, Iran knows that it has this choke 0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:35.879 hold on the oil market right now, and I think 0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:38.239 that's the only piece of leverage that it has in 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:42.320 this war, especially with its you know, dead original Ayatola 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:43.880 and the sun nowhere to be found. 0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:46.920 Clark Kars. Israel is bombing the hell out of Lebedon 0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:49.840 as we speak, in response to Hesbol and their rocket attacks, 0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:52.959 and they have no stranger to these kind of things. 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:56.480 But how do you manage two simultaneous fronts without destabilizing 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.839 the other? I mean, go back to other war World 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:00.440 War two would be a great example. You can't fight 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:01.360 a war in two fronts. 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:05.799 I I agree, I have to agree with that. It's unfortunate, 0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:09.960 and I do believe, you know, hitting is bela targets 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:13.320 is always good, but it is expanding into a wider 0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:15.920 war at this point, and I don't think that we, 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:18.400 as you know, even a world can deal with so 0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:22.400 much conflict that once you know, it has expanded to 0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:27.759 hitting universities, those institutions. You know, now we have a 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.440 bunch of American universities in that region as well that 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:33.799 are being threatened. So I think at this point the 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:38.120 escalation would be our best bet, you know, Asbola are not. 0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:42.840 Yeah, it seems close too, because you have so many allies, 0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:45.799 so many Arab countries that have taken our side anyway. Now, 0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.200 granted there's countries like Yemen and others that have sided 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:50.839 with with Iran, but by and large, most of those 0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:53.160 countries and regions getting hit. You know, you talk about 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.960 the UAE and others that are suffering the effects of 0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:58.680 this thing. It feels like we have a coalition. It 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:00.960 just at this point doesn't feel like the needle's moving 0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:02.360 on it. Is that an accurate assessment. 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:07.160 Yes, yes, very accurate, and that includes that includes Kwait, 0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:11.920 Saudi Arabia, uae, Qatar, Bahraine. You know, it's it's a 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:16.080 bunch of the Goals Cooperation Council countries that have you know, 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:19.880 they're being targeted in their energy infrastructure, their military sites. 0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:23.480 We have you know, American servicemen out there that are 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:26.560 being threatened at this point, and not only. 0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:29.080 That, Iran is running an information war against US. I 0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:32.200 often talk about the digital war going on. That's you know, 0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:35.279 granted it's it's not going to kill people. 0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:35.719 It might. 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:38.120 I mean there's that plant in Nebraska that got shut down. 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:40.040 The Iranians clim that wound up killing a man and 0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:42.160 his two children are who happen to be at this 0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.920 bio mass plant. Uh So we do have a casualty 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:48.759 in that. But that is the issue most people don't 0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:50.880 consider and talk about. It is the digital attacks, and 0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:54.000 that would be the campaign that Iran is running a 0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:56.719 relative to an information war. How effective is that and 0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:58.200 this whole thing do you think. 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:03.040 At this point it's I do believe that it might 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:06.960 have potential, but I'm not hearing about any more hacks 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:10.279 or things like that into the US. Infrastructure more than 0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:14.080 I heard about the possibility of super cells, you know, 0:48:14.120 --> 0:48:16.360 as you know, the FBI did warn about that in 0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:19.799 California on DC and you know Los Angeles and other 0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:22.640 major cities. So I think that would be something to 0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:26.360 look at, and of course, you know, be on guard 0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:31.400 for any hacking or digital or you know energy infrastructure 0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:33.120 of our own that can be targeted. 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:33.759 Right. 0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:36.440 Yeah, I think the scary party. We've talked about this 0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:39.520 for a while is like a digital nine to eleven, 0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:42.600 to coin a phrase, It feels like from the experts 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:44.279 I talked to, that day is coming. We just saw 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:47.000 what happened with Striker Medical and that story of courses 0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:48.919 now in the rearview mirror because you go out doesn't 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:52.000 really affect me most people, but something at that scale 0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:54.759 where it would get our attention, would absolutely bring us 0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.319 to our knees. And it's probably a lot easier to 0:48:57.320 --> 0:48:59.880 do than with bombs and missiles. 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:00.800 Right exactly. 0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:05.040 And that is what Iran has essentially been tweeting about 0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:08.640 on X they're saying, you know, they have some surprise 0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:11.880 weapon that they were about to unleash. But they have 0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:13.719 been saying that for a couple of weeks now, so 0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:15.160 I'm not sure that it's very incredible. 0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:15.680 All right. 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:19.000 So bottom line here, larak Arch is we're talking at 0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:22.480 least a month, maybe first, I don't know, first part 0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:25.960 of summer here, maybe in the June before this thing ends. 0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:29.840 But again, your gas is as good as anybody's, right exactly. 0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:32.120 I mean, I'm hoping Rubio is right and we don't 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:33.399 go past the four weeks mark. 0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:36.200 Well, again, you wonder how much economic strain too, because 0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:40.200 it's bringing the markets down. Gas is very expensive. Of course, 0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:43.279 it's an affordability thing. And this may be short term 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:45.880 and short lived for sure, but you think you'd have 0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:48.759 to wrap this up midterms come into play as well, 0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:51.040 and I don't think anyone wants to stomach any boots 0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:54.120 on the ground. So hopefully, fingers crossed Rubio's right. At 0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:56.879 the very least, we'll get this thing done sometime in May. 0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:59.960 Lark Karch is a fox whose contributor and it depended 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:03.000 Middle East researcher Laura. Thanks for the inside, appreciate it. 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:05.040 Thank you so much for having me me will Ah. 0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:08.400 You think you have problems, you ain't got tiger woods problems. 0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:12.480 What is going on with tiger woods whiskey Tango foxtrot. 0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:15.480 Julie Hattershare, our mental health expert, is on the show 0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:18.440 Mental Health Monday and Scottsland Show seven hundred WW. We'll 0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:20.440 talk about that coming up next. 0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:25.040 Hang on, everyone needs help every now and then, and 0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:28.120 she's here to help us get our heads right. This 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:31.320 is Mental Health Monday with Mental health expert Julie Hattershire. 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:34.320 All right, So Tiger Woods is in a mugshot again 0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:37.600 and millions of fans are asked him the same question, 0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:40.560 Is this guy okay? What is going on between his 0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:43.160 ears is as much physical as the physical plane is 0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:46.080 an addiction issue. What is going on? Plus? And I 0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:50.160 think he's seeing segue together? Great Gary Woodland who? Gary 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:55.240 Woodland is a professional golfer, had brain surgery in twenty 0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:58.720 twenty three. He has recently gone public about some severe 0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:03.000 PTSD die noses that he had and since then, Seal 0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:05.759 feels like a thousand pounds has been lifted off his back. 0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:09.680 And to prove that point, yesterday he won the Houston Open. 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:11.719 So we're going to talk about what's going on the 0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:15.760 head of athletes, but it also applies to a crisis 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:19.040 in sports in general. Showing up in young athletes as 0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:21.239 a matter of fact, and your kids. Julie hattersh here 0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:24.520 is our licensed mental health therapist and it's Mental Health 0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:26.960 Monday on the Scott's Loan Show. She's a be connected 0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:29.840 in Clifton. Julie, welcome. How's life? 0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:33.359 Heay, life is great, weather's good, sun's out warming up. 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:35.320 Spring seems to finally be here to stay. 0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:38.680 The sun's out. But are your guns out? That's the question. 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:42.319 I'll never tell. 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:46.359 Okay, let's start with Tiger Woods. I was talking about 0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:50.319 this last hour. Arrested Friday after car crash, second time 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:53.920 he's rolled his car in a few years. Zero is 0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.759 on the breathalyzer, but refused to your analysis. Still charged 0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:59.280 with DUI. They said, clearly he was under the influence 0:51:59.320 --> 0:51:59.680 of something. 0:51:59.719 --> 0:51:59.920 We know. 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:04.120 He has had chronic surgeries, at least seven back surgeris 0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:06.520 and many, many, many more, and it's a cycle for him. 0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:10.840 There's hope, there's comeback, there's collapse, there's hope, there's comeback, 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.600 there's more collapse. And of course he had that personal 0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:16.880 scandal in two thousand and nine, seemingly can't out his 0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:19.759 own way. But you see that with Tiger Woods, and 0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:23.200 you go all right, As a mental health element to 0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:25.080 this thing, how much of that is treating the pain? 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:27.160 How much is that an addiction issue? Do you think? 0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:28.680 Oh? 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:30.160 I think it's a little bit of both. 0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:33.160 I mean, I don't think that you can be an 0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:36.400 elite athlete and not have some of the qualities and 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:41.440 characteristics associated with an addictive personality. The pursuit of excellence, 0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:46.919 the relentlessness that's required, the obsessive focus on something. Those 0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:50.759 all can be associated with elite athletes and addictions and 0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:54.600 high performing people in general. But this man's body has 0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:58.600 been through so much over the years, and he's had 0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:01.759 so many surgeries and so many recoveries and so many 0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:05.240 comebacks that it has to take a toll on him mentally, 0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:09.120 not just physically. And my guess is he's fairly isolated 0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:12.880 in terms of people who actually care about him and 0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:15.960 support him, who he doesn't pay to do so or 0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:18.320 employ to do so, or who don't feel beholden to 0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:21.200 him in some way. So I can see it being 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:26.520 like this perfect cocktail that just makes him feel lonely isolated. 0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:30.160 This is my guest, lonely isolated, all on his own, 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:33.799 with a lot of expectation from himself and from his 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:36.400 fans and from other people, and a body that doesn't 0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:39.960 do what it used to do, and access to substances that. 0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:42.879 Can help with that, right, right, And that's I think 0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:46.319 that's the pattern, right that you see from time to time. 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:49.320 As I mentioned, you know, he is, there's a collapse 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:51.120 and then there's a comeback and we've got hope, and 0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:53.360 it just keeps repeating itself. And it's been going on 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:56.480 multiple times with Tiger Woods. For those of us who 0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:59.279 aren't high level, world class athletes, which is almost all 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:02.320 of us, probably all of us, what's the relationship between 0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:06.480 chronic physical pain and mental health deterioration, because that applies 0:54:06.480 --> 0:54:07.000 to all of us. 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:09.960 It absolutely does apply to all of us. 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:19.160 The stress associated with chronic intractable pain increases really dramatically, 0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:25.759 the incidence of depression and anxiety and burnout in all 0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:29.040 of us. Our bodies are not designed to be in 0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:32.680 chronic pain all the time, and our brains are not 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:37.520 designed to manage chronic pain all the time. And many 0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:40.120 of the substances that we use to manage the pain 0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:46.080 also have mental and cognitive components to them. So opioids, 0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:51.360 for example, are highly addictive and so when our bodies 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:54.960 are in such pain, everything is harder. If you think 0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:57.000 about we all wake up in the morning with a 0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:59.520 certain level of resource. There's a certain amount of gas 0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:02.439 in our so to speak, and it varies day by day, 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:04.719 but we all wake up with some gas in our tank. 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:08.800 And if managing our bodies and our pain is taking 0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:10.919 most of the gas in our tank, then we don't 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:15.280 really have a whole lot else left over for relationships, 0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:19.239 for productive work, for enjoyment of life, for any of 0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:21.759 the things that make life meaningful. And so it can 0:55:21.800 --> 0:55:24.399 start to feel as if all we do every day 0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:26.680 is grind through the pain, to go to sleep, to 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:29.160 get up the next morning to grind through the pain again, 0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:33.799 and that can have extensive detrimental consequences on our mental 0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:34.120 well being. 0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:35.880 Yeah, at some point it STAPs me into a golf 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:39.160 and it's a mental health emergency. I don't know. Yeah, 0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:41.680 Tiger WOODZS is in mental health crisis at this point, 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:44.080 but it wouldn't surprise me if he were. 0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.640 It wouldn't surprise me if he were either. The expectations 0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:51.319 on him are so high. People hang so much hope 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:54.880 on him, and he has such high expectations for himself. 0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:56.680 And we all know that he did not have an 0:55:56.719 --> 0:56:00.080 easy childhood or an easy father growing up, so that 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:02.719 certainly set him up for this belief that he is 0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:05.759 only as good as his last performance, and that his 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:08.200 value is based on what he does, not who he 0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:11.600 is as a person. I'm speculating, I don't know, but 0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:15.440 that would be my guest. And his performance becomes his identity, 0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:18.520 and if his performance is struggling, or his body is 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:21.640 failing him or making it difficult, then his identity is 0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:23.880 impacted versus I had a bad day. 0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:26.920 And you know, shrugging it off and moving on. It 0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:28.080 sits with him. 0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:30.359 The expectations he has and that we have for him 0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:31.880 are so high. 0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:34.600 Julie Hattish share our licensed mental health therapist. It's mental 0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:37.040 health money and the Scoonsland Show on seven hundred WW 0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:39.960 are talking about that Tiger Woods and of course another 0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:45.120 rollover accident, this time in Florida. OVI. Clearly he was 0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:48.320 under the influence of something, now alcohol but probably drugs 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:52.080 related to his pain cycle and treating and hopes he's 0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:53.839 going to come back and play the Masters. He's got 0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:56.000 TGL going on, and now that everything there is on 0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:59.319 a full stop And it's almost like if you were 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:01.839 to get his would you say, hey, listen, you've got 0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:04.040 to stop everything, and he get into some long term 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:06.840 treatment program here to help you out. But you know again, 0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:10.200 the painkillers, though, allow him to get up and live 0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:13.040 his life. How do you deal without painkillers? That's the problem, 0:57:13.040 --> 0:57:14.880 isn't that well? 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:17.080 I mean, they allow him to get up and live 0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:20.560 his athletic golf life. But what if it's time And 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:22.240 I don't know, but what if it's time for him 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:24.439 to stop playing golf at that level? What if that's 0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:26.360 just not something that his body and his psyche can 0:57:26.400 --> 0:57:27.320 sustain anymore. 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:31.200 What if he needs help distancing. 0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:35.120 Himself or entangling himself from his identity as a golfer 0:57:35.320 --> 0:57:37.560 and figuring out who he is as a person and 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:39.560 a man without the game. 0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:40.480 Of golf at that level. 0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:42.240 Not that he can't go out and play on a 0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:45.200 weekend with friends, but he plays at such a high 0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:47.280 level and it's such a toll on his body. 0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:49.400 It's what seven back surgeries. 0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:51.960 Or something like that. That's a lot for a body 0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:55.200 to sustain. That's a lot of anesthesia, that's a lot 0:57:55.240 --> 0:57:58.040 of recovery, that's a lot of injury. And trauma for 0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:00.520 a body to sustain over and over again, not to 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:01.400 mention what else. 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:02.080 He's had to go through. 0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:05.680 Yeah, and I could see where the addiction cycle just 0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:08.880 continues to grab on to him. Now, I will say 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:10.840 at the Open here I mentioned it's a big golf 0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:13.600 weekend from Mental Healthy at Tiger Woods. Arrest on Friday. 0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:16.600 But Gary Woodland is a inspiring story. Here's a guy 0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:19.240 who had brain surgery, had lesions on his brain back 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:22.160 two and a half three years ago, has surgery for that, 0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:26.040 and then had PTSD something awful to a point where 0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:29.320 he couldn't do anything. And he said, most recently felt 0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:31.720 like a thousand pounds of weight was lifted off his back. 0:58:31.880 --> 0:58:36.840 Yesterday he won the Houston Open, had won a tournament 0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:39.560 since twenty nineteen. And what a great story that is. 0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:44.160 PTSD is I normally you think, wow, it's soldiers and 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:47.160 first line first responders and things like that. But let's 0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:48.960 run that down. The definition of PTSD. 0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:49.320 What is that? 0:58:49.360 --> 0:58:50.560 Where's it come from? 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:51.640 Okay? 0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:58.760 So PTSD is defined by some hyperactive, hypervigilant behaviors as 0:58:58.800 --> 0:59:01.120 a result of trauma, and it can come from a 0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:03.680 number of different things. So what I read about Gary 0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:07.120 Woodland is in the year to eighteen months before he 0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:12.200 was diagnosed with the legions, he was having some really awful, frightening, 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:15.720 debilitating physical symptoms and they couldn't figure out what it was. 0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:19.040 So he had all of this really terrible stuff going 0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:21.760 on with his body. It was traumatic. He was having seizures, 0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:25.240 he was having horrible nightmares, it was apparently it was 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:28.600 just horrifying, and they didn't know what was going on. 0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:31.720 They didn't have any understanding or explanation of it. So 0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:35.080 that in and of itself is trauma. So post traumatic 0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:39.400 stress disorder is what we carry with us in the 0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:43.640 aftermath of trauma. Now, not everybody gets it, and the 0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:46.560 traumas that can cause it are different. Some people are 0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:51.040 more susceptible to it than other people. But it's characterized 0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:58.600 by four categories of symptoms. Intrusive, unwanted involuntary thoughts, Avoiding 0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:02.040 reminders of the trauma, so avoiding anything that might trigger 1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:06.120 a reminder of the trauma. Changes in thinking and mood, 1:00:06.440 --> 1:00:09.280 so your cognition changes, your brain goes fuzzy. And one 1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:12.000 of the things that I was reading about him was 1:00:12.040 --> 1:00:14.080 he forgot where he was when he was triggered on 1:00:14.120 --> 1:00:16.200 the golf course. Once he forgot for where he was, 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:18.760 he forgot what he was supposed to do, so his 1:00:18.800 --> 1:00:24.240 brain went fuzzy. And people with PTSD either become hyper 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:29.480 or hyper hypo aroused, so they either feel everything greatly 1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:32.880 or they get really numb, and they can taggle back 1:00:32.960 --> 1:00:35.920 and forth between those two things. So it's the body's 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:40.160 response to a trauma that has already happened, and it's cognitive, 1:00:40.560 --> 1:00:42.640 it's emotional, and it's physical. 1:00:42.720 --> 1:00:45.800 All great, and that's tough to de find though what 1:00:45.840 --> 1:00:48.040 trauma is. What trauma is for you may not be 1:00:48.080 --> 1:00:51.000 for me, and vice versa. That's tough to find out 1:00:51.000 --> 1:00:52.360 what that is, Isn't that I mean, is there a 1:00:52.400 --> 1:00:55.160 certain threshold that meets to do to trigger PTSD. 1:00:56.760 --> 1:00:56.840 No. 1:00:57.040 --> 1:00:59.640 Actually, the way that we kind of think of trauma 1:00:59.720 --> 1:01:04.240 is it any event that outstrips our coping mechanisms. So 1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:07.520 any event that outstrips our ability to understand it and 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:11.439 cope with it can be traumatic. But some people are 1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:15.680 more resilient to the effects of trauma than other people are. 1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:19.920 So let's say there's a plane accident and there are 1:01:19.960 --> 1:01:24.520 survivors of the plane crash. Some people will carry PTSD 1:01:24.680 --> 1:01:27.400 from that, and other people will not. So it's not 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:32.800 the event itself that necessarily creates the trauma. It's what people, 1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:35.360 the meaning people make of it, and the impact it 1:01:35.400 --> 1:01:39.200 has on them as individuals. So trauma can be a 1:01:39.360 --> 1:01:43.000 very individual thing. Seemingly small things can have a very 1:01:43.120 --> 1:01:46.440 large impact on someone. Seemingly large things can have a 1:01:46.560 --> 1:01:51.960 very small impact on someone. So it's visualized, but basically 1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:55.160 it is when an event outstrips your coping mechanisms and 1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:56.720 your ability to make sense of it. 1:01:57.480 --> 1:01:59.040 All right, So a plane crash that would be a 1:01:59.120 --> 1:02:06.760 huge trigger section will assault something like that, horrific accident PTSD, soldiers, cops, firefighters, medics, 1:02:07.640 --> 1:02:10.880 et cetera. That I all get those jobs, and there's PTSD, 1:02:11.960 --> 1:02:14.320 probably a lot of it on a on a pretty 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:17.720 steady basis. When I was six years old, I asked 1:02:17.720 --> 1:02:19.600 my mom if I could have an extra cookie? Said, no, 1:02:19.720 --> 1:02:21.640 you fat bastard, you have had too many. Is that 1:02:22.240 --> 1:02:24.560 Do I get PTSD from that? That's kind of like 1:02:24.680 --> 1:02:27.400 not quite as serious as you know, in a shootout 1:02:27.440 --> 1:02:30.640 with a suspect, But I mean not getting a you know, 1:02:31.200 --> 1:02:33.960 a seleno butter cookie when you're six years old. That's 1:02:34.000 --> 1:02:35.680 pretty traumatic for a six year old. What do you 1:02:35.680 --> 1:02:37.600 make of that? Is that something? Do I got something 1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:38.439 there to have a case? 1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:40.040 Do you? 1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:43.400 Absolutely do? I think I think kids should get cookies. 1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:46.640 But here's the thing. Let's take this seriously for a minute. 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:49.600 Let's say that you got called a fat bastard and 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:53.480 lots of other things, often by your family when you 1:02:53.520 --> 1:02:57.760 were little. Yeah, that's traumatic. Okay, not getting the cookie 1:02:57.880 --> 1:03:00.400 not traumatic. And I realize you're making a joke. But 1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:05.080 that kind of environment where you are belittle demeaned, verbally 1:03:05.120 --> 1:03:07.760 abused may be physically abused when you were young. 1:03:08.040 --> 1:03:09.840 That can create PTSD. 1:03:10.000 --> 1:03:12.920 That is a traumatic environment depending on your response to 1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:16.560 it as an individual person, That can create PTSD later 1:03:16.600 --> 1:03:17.640 in life for sure. 1:03:17.800 --> 1:03:20.280 Okay, And everyone has that all true something they hold 1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:24.120 on to sit. But that's everybody, doesn't everybody have what 1:03:24.400 --> 1:03:27.080 the kids, these deadic kids, they call it microaggressions, right, 1:03:27.120 --> 1:03:30.080 these little transgressions they add I guess they add it. 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:34.720 But I mean, if that's true, everybody's got PTSD, then no, no. 1:03:34.560 --> 1:03:37.880 No, no, everybody has trauma. Everybody has some trauma in 1:03:37.920 --> 1:03:40.760 their life. We all have some things that happened to 1:03:40.840 --> 1:03:43.800 us that were more of what we needed or not 1:03:44.000 --> 1:03:47.240 enough of what we needed. Everybody has that, but the 1:03:47.320 --> 1:03:50.680 PTSD is very specific. Not all of us have intrusive 1:03:50.720 --> 1:03:53.680 thoughts and memories and flashbacks of things that happen to us. 1:03:53.960 --> 1:03:57.160 Not all of us avoid situations because they might trigger that. 1:03:57.480 --> 1:04:00.600 So think about a war veteran avoiding forth of July 1:04:00.720 --> 1:04:04.200 because of the fireworks triggering flashbacks to being under fire. 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:08.920 Most of us love fireworks. Some of us don't love fireworks. 1:04:08.320 --> 1:04:10.480 But most of us don't avoid them because we're afraid 1:04:10.480 --> 1:04:12.840 they're going to send us diving for cover under a table. 1:04:13.840 --> 1:04:17.560 Most of us don't have thought and mood changes as 1:04:17.560 --> 1:04:20.240 a result of what happened to us that one traumatic 1:04:20.240 --> 1:04:23.720 event or a particularly traumatic childhood, and most of us 1:04:23.800 --> 1:04:27.120 aren't either hypervigilant, which is what Gary Woodland reported being, 1:04:27.560 --> 1:04:30.800 or numbed out completely, which is what many people report. 1:04:31.280 --> 1:04:35.040 So PTSD is a response. It's not the trauma itself. 1:04:35.560 --> 1:04:38.560 So the PTSD in Gary Woodland's case, when's the Houston 1:04:38.600 --> 1:04:41.120 open yesterday? It's because of the brain tumor surgery he 1:04:41.160 --> 1:04:45.600 had three years ago. Is a surgery trigger for a 1:04:45.640 --> 1:04:46.160 lot of people? 1:04:47.160 --> 1:04:49.240 Well, yes, it can be and I think it's a 1:04:49.240 --> 1:04:51.960 couple of things. So first of all, as I understood it, 1:04:52.000 --> 1:04:55.080 what I read, the surgery was very close to his amygdala, 1:04:55.160 --> 1:04:57.840 and the migdala is the smoke alarm of our brain. 1:04:58.000 --> 1:05:00.720 It is the fire sensor of our brain. It lets 1:05:00.800 --> 1:05:03.240 us know when something is going wrong. Some people have 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:07.160 very sensitive smoke alarms. Some people have less sensitive smoke alarms. 1:05:07.360 --> 1:05:10.400 But they also left part of the lesion in the 1:05:10.440 --> 1:05:12.960 brain because they didn't want to impact his motor function 1:05:13.400 --> 1:05:16.080 or his vision. So he still has a little part 1:05:16.120 --> 1:05:19.480 of that pushing on the amygdala in his brain. But 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:22.640 I also think that the PTSD, as I read it, 1:05:22.800 --> 1:05:25.280 was from all of the stuff that led up to 1:05:25.320 --> 1:05:26.160 the diagnosis. 1:05:26.160 --> 1:05:28.240 And what a horrific time he had over. 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:32.080 That twelve to eighteen months before he got the diagnosis 1:05:32.120 --> 1:05:35.200 and the surgery and understood what was going on. And 1:05:35.280 --> 1:05:37.760 so that was a terribly traumatic event. He wasn't sure 1:05:37.760 --> 1:05:39.520 he was going to live half the time. He really 1:05:39.560 --> 1:05:42.440 was afraid he was dying, much less be able to 1:05:42.440 --> 1:05:45.560 play golf again or you know, raise his children and 1:05:45.680 --> 1:05:51.200 be a husband to his wife. And then the surgery 1:05:51.320 --> 1:05:54.120 and they left of the part of what they found 1:05:54.240 --> 1:05:55.800 because they didn't want to take it all in, as 1:05:55.840 --> 1:05:58.200 I said, in pair's vision or his motor skills. And 1:05:58.240 --> 1:06:00.600 so he still has a little bit of this brain 1:06:00.680 --> 1:06:04.160 lesion pressing on his amygdala. And if the amygdala is 1:06:04.440 --> 1:06:08.000 the smoke alarm of the brain, then he is hyper 1:06:08.080 --> 1:06:11.600 sensitive to things that other people wouldn't even notice. So 1:06:11.680 --> 1:06:15.680 as I was reading, somebody walked behind him and he 1:06:15.800 --> 1:06:18.960 was hyper sensitive to that. But the other thing is, 1:06:19.040 --> 1:06:21.640 once that smoke alarm goes off, it's really hard to 1:06:21.640 --> 1:06:24.800 shut it down again. So once he's triggered with that, 1:06:24.960 --> 1:06:27.400 he can't just shake it off. He can't just say, oh, 1:06:27.480 --> 1:06:29.160 you know, that was just somebody walking behind me, no 1:06:29.200 --> 1:06:32.280 big deal. He needs to go through a process and 1:06:32.320 --> 1:06:34.440 he's just I think, still learning how to do that 1:06:35.080 --> 1:06:39.439 to calm himself down, reground himself, recenter himself, and keep 1:06:39.480 --> 1:06:40.240 going forward. 1:06:40.640 --> 1:06:41.720 And he's been dealing with. 1:06:41.640 --> 1:06:44.600 This on his own for years without telling anybody other 1:06:44.640 --> 1:06:48.040 than his family and his physicians. So now I think 1:06:48.080 --> 1:06:50.960 the tour is making accommodations for him, and his fellow 1:06:51.000 --> 1:06:53.160 players are and the fans are more aware of it 1:06:53.680 --> 1:06:56.720 of late, and so I think it will become easier 1:06:56.720 --> 1:07:00.640 for him and easier to deal with the triggering in 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:04.000 the hyper arousal and the hypervigilance that he is experiencing. 1:07:04.280 --> 1:07:07.360 Yeah, I gotcha. And by the way, Spring is here 1:07:07.560 --> 1:07:10.520 just a reminder to change the battery on your amygdala 1:07:10.880 --> 1:07:14.760 so it doesn't cause those triggers. Yes, yeah, yes, Julie 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:17.640 Hatter share our license mental health there. Well, that's a 1:07:17.640 --> 1:07:19.280 great story because he goes and he puts all the 1:07:19.360 --> 1:07:21.440 PTSD in the surgery behind him and goes and wins 1:07:21.440 --> 1:07:23.440 a tournament. It goes to show you the therapy works. 1:07:24.680 --> 1:07:27.240 Yes, therapy works. Treatment works. 1:07:27.280 --> 1:07:30.080 There is a way out of the hell that is PTSD. 1:07:30.360 --> 1:07:33.200 There really is, and there are multiple there are multiple 1:07:33.240 --> 1:07:36.000 paths to take to do that. But it does require 1:07:36.240 --> 1:07:39.400 getting help consistently. And he still works at it. I mean, 1:07:39.440 --> 1:07:42.000 it's what I was reading. He still works at it 1:07:42.040 --> 1:07:45.320 every day. Sundays are easier and Sundays are harder. And 1:07:45.440 --> 1:07:47.920 so it's not a one and done. It's not a 1:07:48.040 --> 1:07:49.760 you don't flip a switch. It's going to be a 1:07:49.800 --> 1:07:53.000 constant in his life in various ways for the rest 1:07:53.000 --> 1:07:53.520 of his life. 1:07:53.640 --> 1:07:56.480 Yeah, Julie hat to share our licensed mental health expert. 1:07:56.560 --> 1:07:59.880 She's on the show every Monday. It's Mental Health Monday. 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:01.560 A clever name that is here too. And you are 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:04.520 an event coming up too, right I do. 1:08:04.680 --> 1:08:06.160 I'm kind of excited about it. 1:08:06.520 --> 1:08:08.920 In the middle of May, May fifteenth and sixteenth, I'm 1:08:08.960 --> 1:08:11.760 going to be doing a relationship skills boot camp for 1:08:12.000 --> 1:08:16.360 people individuals or couples who want to improve their relationships. 1:08:16.400 --> 1:08:18.920 They want things to get better between themselves and their partner, 1:08:19.000 --> 1:08:21.320 or they want themselves to be better for the next 1:08:21.360 --> 1:08:24.320 relationship that comes their way. It's going to be two days. 1:08:24.560 --> 1:08:27.960 It's going to be nine to five on a Friday 1:08:27.960 --> 1:08:31.200 and a Saturday. It's at this really cool place in 1:08:31.240 --> 1:08:34.760 Blue ash which is easily accessible right across from Sunnock Park, 1:08:35.040 --> 1:08:37.200 and I'm going to be downloading over the two days 1:08:37.200 --> 1:08:39.000 all the best stuff I know about how to be 1:08:39.040 --> 1:08:42.120 healthy in a relationship to no no more than eighteen 1:08:42.200 --> 1:08:44.679 or twenty people showing up. 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They want to be in all over the place, 1:09:46.760 --> 1:09:49.240 especially in the rural counties. Health Cincinnati even said we 1:09:49.280 --> 1:09:51.439 don't want them till we figure out what the story is. 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:54.280 The legislature's way behind on this, but they have started 1:09:54.280 --> 1:09:57.720 a petition and are looking for your signatures to put 1:09:57.760 --> 1:10:00.000 limits on data center. Some say the limits will kill 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:03.800 data centers. Details next seven hundred WWD Cincinnati, Do you 1:10:03.880 --> 1:10:05.280 want to be an American? 1:10:05.439 --> 1:10:05.799 Indian? 1:10:06.680 --> 1:10:10.720 Flowing on seven hundred ww SOO A group of residents, 1:10:12.120 --> 1:10:15.720 concerned residents see these data centers come and they're coming 1:10:15.760 --> 1:10:18.000 all over the place and said, let's puck the brakes 1:10:18.000 --> 1:10:20.800 a little bit on this. They just cleared a major 1:10:20.920 --> 1:10:23.720 hurdle to get it on your ballot in November. And 1:10:23.880 --> 1:10:28.280 from Ohio Residence for responsor to Alex Schaefer's back on 1:10:28.320 --> 1:10:32.160 the show. Alex, congratulations, first of all, because Attorney General 1:10:32.320 --> 1:10:35.880 yos just certified your petition and there are five residents 1:10:36.120 --> 1:10:37.719 you're one of them, but you're part of the movement 1:10:37.760 --> 1:10:40.560 to banned data centers using more than twenty five megawatts 1:10:40.600 --> 1:10:43.400 a month and now moves on to the Ohio ballot 1:10:43.400 --> 1:10:46.799 board to determine if it qualifies as a single ballot issue. 1:10:46.800 --> 1:10:49.760 It looks good so far. For those maybe hearing your 1:10:49.840 --> 1:10:51.120 voice for the first time because you've been it a 1:10:51.160 --> 1:10:54.000 few times, welcome back. Why did you wind up getting 1:10:54.000 --> 1:10:54.439 involved in. 1:10:54.360 --> 1:10:57.920 This Scott, Good morning to you in the tri State. 1:10:58.880 --> 1:11:01.920 I wanted to get involved in this, you know, as 1:11:01.960 --> 1:11:05.400 someone that loves Adams County. My grandparents grew up here, 1:11:05.479 --> 1:11:09.360 my mother grew up here, and they immigrated here from Lithuania, 1:11:09.960 --> 1:11:12.960 and you know, the amount of passion and the pride 1:11:13.040 --> 1:11:15.400 and beauty that we have here in Adams County is 1:11:15.479 --> 1:11:19.120 absolutely phenomenal. And you know, as part of my campaign 1:11:19.120 --> 1:11:22.800 for the County Commissioner, I don't want to see irresponsible 1:11:22.840 --> 1:11:26.519 development come into the county, which unfortunately is been the 1:11:26.560 --> 1:11:28.439 history of what we've seen here the last couple of 1:11:28.479 --> 1:11:32.120 years with NDAs and LAFE of Transparency and so this 1:11:32.320 --> 1:11:36.200 is all about transparency and responsible development for the residents 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:37.599 of Adams County and now the state. 1:11:38.240 --> 1:11:42.679 Yeah. So the twenty five megawatt cap would effectively block 1:11:42.800 --> 1:11:46.639 most modern data centers in today's AI driven facilities need 1:11:46.960 --> 1:11:50.839 what about two hundred megawatts? Why why that number in particular, 1:11:51.000 --> 1:11:52.760 because I think when we first talked, or at least 1:11:52.760 --> 1:11:54.960 the first few times we spoke, Alex, he said, hey, listen, 1:11:55.040 --> 1:11:57.280 we don't want we don't want to eliminate data centers 1:11:57.960 --> 1:12:00.519 because we realized it's the future we all use the 1:12:01.000 --> 1:12:02.880 we all use them in some way, shape or form. 1:12:03.160 --> 1:12:06.920 I keep mentioning the average American has twenty one devices 1:12:07.360 --> 1:12:09.320 that they used, maybe not at all the same time, 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:13.240 but we all use data and so acknowledging that this 1:12:13.320 --> 1:12:15.719 feels like, well, it would be a ban on data centers. 1:12:15.720 --> 1:12:16.160 Am I wrong? 1:12:17.720 --> 1:12:19.120 No? And that's the thing. 1:12:19.720 --> 1:12:22.920 The twenty five cap figure was given actually based on 1:12:23.120 --> 1:12:27.920 looking at comparables you know, nationally, but more so specifically 1:12:28.000 --> 1:12:30.960 here in Ohio about legislation that the state legislators had 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:36.519 proposed in a bill themselves looking at utility usage in 1:12:36.600 --> 1:12:41.600 regards to that twenty five megawatt figure. So from our standpoint, 1:12:41.880 --> 1:12:47.200 the way we had constructed this, you know, amendment proposed 1:12:47.240 --> 1:12:50.960 amendment is to say, we need data centers as part 1:12:51.000 --> 1:12:53.599 of our society, but what we don't want is to 1:12:53.640 --> 1:12:58.800 become a dumping ground for tech, and that, unfortunately, is 1:12:58.800 --> 1:13:01.759 what we have become with these hyper scale data centers 1:13:01.800 --> 1:13:06.280 popping up in rural Ohio and residents having you know, 1:13:06.320 --> 1:13:10.439 the wool pull it overneath are on there above their head, 1:13:10.439 --> 1:13:13.920 I'm sorry in the morning over there. So you know, 1:13:14.080 --> 1:13:17.800 it's about responsibility and it's about also taking accountability in 1:13:17.920 --> 1:13:21.960 relation to the actions or inactions that are state legislatures 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:24.559 are undergoing, and it's. 1:13:24.479 --> 1:13:26.320 Happening all over You know, you're in Adams County. I'm 1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:28.599 a Brown County, a small village there is going through 1:13:28.640 --> 1:13:31.120 so the NDAs. We're just seeing it in mountal We're 1:13:31.120 --> 1:13:33.559 seeing it all over the place in Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio, 1:13:33.800 --> 1:13:35.800 but in particular Ohio because we're fifth in the nation 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:38.160 and data center builds and we've got a bunch more 1:13:38.200 --> 1:13:39.920 that are trying to get online as we speak. This 1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:43.680 would certainly slow things down. But at twenty five megawatts, 1:13:43.680 --> 1:13:45.439 I would think that an operator w go, well, it's 1:13:45.479 --> 1:13:48.840 not worth it putting in Ohio. I'll go somewhere else. 1:13:49.800 --> 1:13:51.920 Should we I mean, should we have some of these 1:13:51.960 --> 1:13:55.400 in our backyard? I mean yeah, I guess. It is 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:57.519 not a lot of jobs, for sure. It doesn't take 1:13:57.560 --> 1:14:00.120 many people to operate a data center. It's a other 1:14:00.240 --> 1:14:03.519 than maybe people to service and construction workers alike, which 1:14:03.520 --> 1:14:06.080 are great paying jobs for sure, and the maintenance on 1:14:06.120 --> 1:14:08.760 them is going to continue to pay dividends. But at 1:14:08.760 --> 1:14:10.760 the end of the day, if I'm opening one of 1:14:10.800 --> 1:14:12.640 these places, I wouldn't be looking at Ohio. If you 1:14:12.680 --> 1:14:16.280 cap me at twenty five bagwats. 1:14:15.040 --> 1:14:17.720 Exactly, and I think that's that's where we have to 1:14:17.760 --> 1:14:22.040 look at the development. And this has been spurred by 1:14:22.640 --> 1:14:26.800 sluggishness from estate legislators and being proactive compared to other 1:14:26.880 --> 1:14:31.000 states and looking at a master framework for Ohio rather 1:14:31.120 --> 1:14:35.240 than chasing what is the next big boom that we 1:14:35.360 --> 1:14:37.799 want to be a part of. But is that boom 1:14:37.920 --> 1:14:42.160 responsible for the residents of Ohio long term? And when 1:14:42.240 --> 1:14:48.760 we are literally dumping these energy consumers in rural America 1:14:48.880 --> 1:14:53.080 to where we're not getting the number of jobs, we 1:14:53.200 --> 1:14:58.559 are straining our energy grid, we are affecting land values, 1:14:58.840 --> 1:15:01.840 we are forcing residents to leave areas where they love, 1:15:02.520 --> 1:15:05.720 and we don't know the true long term health and 1:15:05.840 --> 1:15:09.280 environmental effects of these data centers because we're within kind 1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:12.280 of that twenty year timeframe of when they actually at 1:15:12.320 --> 1:15:15.840 first started to appear in America. We have to step 1:15:15.880 --> 1:15:19.960 back at the society in a bipartisan way and say 1:15:20.200 --> 1:15:22.720 what is the best thing for not only ourselves, but 1:15:22.800 --> 1:15:25.400 our kids and our grandchildren, and how we want to 1:15:25.400 --> 1:15:26.879 see Ohio moving forward. 1:15:27.200 --> 1:15:30.040 At the same time, now they're limited jobs, but there's 1:15:30.160 --> 1:15:33.160 significant tax benefits to these things. How granted a dran 1:15:33.280 --> 1:15:35.559 an environment. A concern is the water, the concern is 1:15:35.560 --> 1:15:37.560 the electricity and what it takes and the footprint of 1:15:37.600 --> 1:15:40.479 these things. But at the same time, we're getting a 1:15:40.479 --> 1:15:42.160 hell of out of tax revenue from these things that 1:15:42.160 --> 1:15:43.759 we don't want to see go to another state. 1:15:45.200 --> 1:15:49.200 Well actually, currently right now, we are not seeing any 1:15:49.280 --> 1:15:52.680 sales tax in relation to hardware that is purchased by 1:15:52.680 --> 1:15:55.719 these data centers at a there was another bill proposed 1:15:55.720 --> 1:15:59.679 this week to basically repeal that. And then in relation 1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:04.080 to the actual development of these data centers, most of 1:16:04.120 --> 1:16:07.519 them have run off of one hundred percent TIFFs and 1:16:07.640 --> 1:16:10.639 most of them have run off an additional cr credit. 1:16:10.680 --> 1:16:13.160 So here in Adamscunty specifically, it was looking at a 1:16:13.200 --> 1:16:17.439 fifteen year fifty percent CRA and a one hundred percent TIFTS. 1:16:17.520 --> 1:16:20.600 So when we actually look at long term, what is 1:16:20.640 --> 1:16:25.320 the taxable infrastructure value that we're providing to the community, 1:16:25.400 --> 1:16:28.720 separate from the job, separate from the land value. If 1:16:28.760 --> 1:16:31.040 you look at across Ohio and you look at across 1:16:31.080 --> 1:16:33.599 the country, the numbers simply do not support the. 1:16:33.520 --> 1:16:36.280 Position of the Coalition. 1:16:35.960 --> 1:16:38.040 For Data centers. It simply doesn't. 1:16:38.840 --> 1:16:41.120 Can we change that legally though, so we wind up 1:16:41.160 --> 1:16:44.559 getting clawing more money back. That's something the legislature could 1:16:44.560 --> 1:16:45.520 take up, couldn't. 1:16:45.200 --> 1:16:51.599 It clawbacks verse actual you know, implementation and effective dates. 1:16:51.720 --> 1:16:53.200 I don't think there's any way that you would be 1:16:53.200 --> 1:16:56.759 able to quote unquote claw back money if you will. 1:16:56.760 --> 1:16:59.439 But in tax use your development, I mean we're we're. 1:16:59.320 --> 1:17:04.200 Still in use, yeah, absolutely, taxing future development. You know, 1:17:04.240 --> 1:17:07.280 in one of the bills actually that was proposed by 1:17:07.479 --> 1:17:08.960 the legislature in Ohio and. 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:10.240 The first version which was. 1:17:10.240 --> 1:17:15.400 Removed and it actually had passed going on to the 1:17:15.439 --> 1:17:18.200 Senate now was there was a moratorium in place in Ohio. 1:17:18.640 --> 1:17:21.240 So we have multiple different pieces of bills right now 1:17:21.640 --> 1:17:25.479 in Ohio where we are looking to study these things 1:17:25.640 --> 1:17:31.680 provide you know, caps on tax incentives, water output and consumption, 1:17:31.960 --> 1:17:35.479 electrical consumption. But at the same point in time that 1:17:35.520 --> 1:17:40.519 allows these developers and these community economic development directors to 1:17:40.600 --> 1:17:44.200 continue to try and slam these data centers into Ohio. 1:17:44.240 --> 1:17:46.280 And I can tell you after being at a conference 1:17:46.360 --> 1:17:49.880 this week and in Columbus, the Ohio Economic Development Association. 1:17:49.920 --> 1:17:53.200 That is essentially their mindset. They're very well aware of 1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:54.759 the legislation. 1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:57.719 That's going on in Ohio. But they are their goal 1:17:57.760 --> 1:18:00.760 in their their their focus right now is continuing to 1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:02.720 push these projects through despite that. 1:18:03.439 --> 1:18:06.559 Alex Schaefer is here, he's part of a group well 1:18:06.600 --> 1:18:09.320 high residents and responsible development as the ones that brought 1:18:09.400 --> 1:18:13.439 this to the Attorney General's office. So in November it 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:15.759 looks like we could get a referendum on the ballots 1:18:16.200 --> 1:18:19.080 that essentially would kill data centers in Ohio because it 1:18:19.080 --> 1:18:21.599 would limit them to using more than no more than 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:24.080 twenty five megawatts of electricity a month. And these things 1:18:24.120 --> 1:18:26.800 are two hundred plus, which is the size of a 1:18:26.840 --> 1:18:29.640 small town and only getting bigger for sure. And the 1:18:29.640 --> 1:18:32.120 other side of this thing, Alex, though, is the concern 1:18:32.320 --> 1:18:37.080 over national security. We all want to continue America and 1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:40.479 to be independent obviously too. But if we have another 1:18:40.520 --> 1:18:42.439 growing number of states and simply say we don't want 1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:46.240 these data centers here, don't they just build them in China? 1:18:46.560 --> 1:18:50.000 So I think with the data center argument regarding national security, 1:18:50.000 --> 1:18:52.880 and this is something I had brought up, if we're 1:18:52.880 --> 1:18:55.960 truly looking at a national security issue, then the federal 1:18:56.000 --> 1:18:59.479 government needs to start throwing their weight around and weigh in. Yes, 1:19:00.160 --> 1:19:02.160 need to step in, and they need to say what 1:19:02.439 --> 1:19:06.799 is a responsible pathway for development for our entire country 1:19:06.840 --> 1:19:10.200 moving forward, and where and how we want to see 1:19:10.200 --> 1:19:12.840 these hyper scale data centers moving forward. But right now 1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:14.920 we don't have that because they are spreading out all 1:19:14.960 --> 1:19:17.559 over the country. And when that does happen and they 1:19:17.560 --> 1:19:20.320 are all over the country, you have different state laws 1:19:20.320 --> 1:19:23.240 that take into effect, different municipal laws that take into effect. 1:19:23.479 --> 1:19:26.120 So even if we are, you know, in putting in 1:19:26.240 --> 1:19:30.519 data centers that deal with national security right now, what 1:19:30.640 --> 1:19:33.360 real authority does the federal government have if they're not 1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:35.800 exercising that at this standpoint. 1:19:35.840 --> 1:19:38.360 No question. And we've seen this before and it's typical 1:19:38.439 --> 1:19:40.639 of the system as they tend to be reactive when 1:19:40.680 --> 1:19:44.040 it's business or something that's groundbreaking like this, are always 1:19:44.080 --> 1:19:46.599 behind it and it takes forever to explain to these 1:19:46.640 --> 1:19:49.160 eighty year olds and they're what a data center is, 1:19:49.680 --> 1:19:52.519 what AI is. That's part of the problem too, and 1:19:52.560 --> 1:19:55.240 so it's lagging right. It takes some time to develop 1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:58.719 and do the research, and so there are numbers bills 1:19:58.760 --> 1:20:00.719 that would deal with this. I one of the couple 1:20:00.760 --> 1:20:03.680 at least in the state House here in Ohio and 1:20:03.960 --> 1:20:06.280 federally they're working out it as well, so it always 1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:08.840 takes time for them to catch up to what the 1:20:08.920 --> 1:20:12.880 current zeitgeists in this case AI and particularly data centers ALEX. 1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:15.120 So you know at some point legislation will come. How 1:20:15.200 --> 1:20:17.559 we just went through this with the THHD drink band, 1:20:18.360 --> 1:20:21.320 where you know, the the craft breweries who are starting 1:20:21.320 --> 1:20:23.759 to get a little decline in craft beer have discovered 1:20:23.760 --> 1:20:26.960 THHC and fused beverages, and we just ban those. The 1:20:26.960 --> 1:20:28.519 governor just said, I don't like them. I don't think 1:20:28.520 --> 1:20:32.520 anyone should drink them, because you know, it's a theocracy anyway. 1:20:32.600 --> 1:20:35.439 He essentially bam vetoed this thing. They struck it down 1:20:35.479 --> 1:20:38.600 and you can't buy him in Ohio anymore. But I 1:20:38.640 --> 1:20:42.720 mean that again, it shows you how business is hamstrung 1:20:42.720 --> 1:20:45.160 by government. The government should be reacting to this and 1:20:45.200 --> 1:20:48.519 putting policies in place that protect the land and protect 1:20:48.520 --> 1:20:50.920 your interests there in Adams, but also in Brown County 1:20:50.920 --> 1:20:54.000 and many others. Is opposed to just letting them run 1:20:54.080 --> 1:20:55.880 rush out, and then what happens is we come up 1:20:55.880 --> 1:20:58.000 with a conscial amendment that kills all this stuff, and 1:20:58.320 --> 1:21:00.960 nobody wins in that. I don't think are you completely 1:21:01.000 --> 1:21:04.719 one hundred percent against any data centers going in despite 1:21:04.760 --> 1:21:06.080 the twenty five mega want limit. 1:21:06.120 --> 1:21:10.400 You want, no, we need data centers in society. My 1:21:10.560 --> 1:21:13.400 company uses data centers on a daily basis, and I 1:21:13.439 --> 1:21:17.000 think that's the underlying frustration that we have here right now. 1:21:17.400 --> 1:21:19.519 And we've been a prime example of that in Atoms, 1:21:19.520 --> 1:21:22.519 where the citizens have been voicing their frustrations over this 1:21:22.560 --> 1:21:25.920 for months. Brown County residents have been voicing their frustration 1:21:26.040 --> 1:21:29.800 for months. The City of Cincinnati has enacted the moratorium 1:21:29.840 --> 1:21:33.640 on data center. So when we look at then, you know, 1:21:33.720 --> 1:21:37.080 our leaders in terms of our elected officials, in return, 1:21:37.320 --> 1:21:41.400 in terms of our contracted partners that they utilize for development, 1:21:42.080 --> 1:21:46.720 and none of these individuals are listening to the residents 1:21:46.760 --> 1:21:49.320 and listening to the concerns on the ground, and they're 1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:52.439 in their ivory towers and their mindset is just to 1:21:52.479 --> 1:21:56.280 continue to push these things in. We inherently have a gap, 1:21:56.360 --> 1:21:59.200 and the residents are making their effort and trying to 1:21:59.280 --> 1:22:04.600 voice their conns. But when the underlying motivation from the 1:22:04.640 --> 1:22:07.920 government officials and these developers is to keep pushing these 1:22:07.960 --> 1:22:11.360 things in. Unfortunately, this is the predicament that you get 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:11.840 yourselfs in. 1:22:12.800 --> 1:22:16.439 Okay, So now the real work begins here, and that 1:22:16.520 --> 1:22:20.280 is collecting all of these signatures. You need about four 1:22:20.360 --> 1:22:23.960 hundred and I think four hundred thousand plus. 1:22:23.560 --> 1:22:25.479 Roughly four hundred and thirteen four. 1:22:25.400 --> 1:22:27.400 Thirteen, that's the number there too, So you'd have to 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:30.960 collect what roughly seven eight hundred thousand in order to 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:31.479 be safe. 1:22:32.120 --> 1:22:35.240 And of those, it's basically ten percent of the votes 1:22:35.280 --> 1:22:38.240 in the landscubernatorial race in Ohio from twenty twenty two, 1:22:38.880 --> 1:22:42.080 and then of that, you know, five percent needs to 1:22:42.120 --> 1:22:44.519 come from forty four out of the eighty Ohio county 1:22:44.600 --> 1:22:50.320 So right now we have essentially thirty county captains assigned 1:22:50.360 --> 1:22:53.840 that would oversee their counties and they're working on the 1:22:54.200 --> 1:22:55.200 volunteer committees. 1:22:55.200 --> 1:22:55.960 I believe this. 1:22:55.840 --> 1:22:58.720 Week a ballot issue political action campaign is going to 1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:02.680 be started. Interesting in Lee and Ohio. There is no 1:23:03.640 --> 1:23:08.520 cap on contributions to a ballot issue political action committee 1:23:08.880 --> 1:23:12.479 to anyone out there listening, and then you know, from there, 1:23:12.800 --> 1:23:16.400 we're definitely working on putting the framework in place on 1:23:16.439 --> 1:23:19.920 how we're going to handle the signature portion and election 1:23:20.080 --> 1:23:22.560 day in May to get a large portion of those signatures, 1:23:23.920 --> 1:23:27.080 you know. So things are developing very rapidly and very quickly, 1:23:27.120 --> 1:23:29.240 and the amount of support that we've seeing around the 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:31.120 state is truly, truly overwhelming. 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:33.880 Yeah, the easy easier part, I guess I should say 1:23:33.920 --> 1:23:36.880 nothing about this is easy, but would be Cleveland, Columbus, 1:23:36.920 --> 1:23:39.320 Cincinnati to you know the date in the big cities, 1:23:39.320 --> 1:23:42.760 bigger cities anyway, But out in rural areas where you are, 1:23:42.960 --> 1:23:45.320 which is most of Ohio, that takes a lot more 1:23:45.320 --> 1:23:48.639 work because people are more scattered, it. 1:23:48.640 --> 1:23:49.679 Takes more work. 1:23:50.160 --> 1:23:53.719 So what we have is a prime opportunity right now 1:23:53.840 --> 1:23:58.040 with the primary elections on May fifth coming up, and 1:23:58.080 --> 1:24:02.320 in addition, in these rural areas, a lot of the 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:07.160 political activism, if you will accourage via word amount because 1:24:07.160 --> 1:24:09.240 people it's in a small community. People talk people out, 1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:13.080 personal experiences. So even if you look at the amount 1:24:13.080 --> 1:24:15.840 of signatures that we were able to gather, you know, 1:24:16.000 --> 1:24:19.920 the last few weeks from the rural areas, mainly in 1:24:20.000 --> 1:24:24.639 southwest Ohio, you know, our boots on the Grand campaign 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:27.679 has been working at gaining interaction and more importantly, now 1:24:28.240 --> 1:24:32.440 it is evidently clear across the state people are overwhelmingly 1:24:32.600 --> 1:24:34.920 concerned about this issue and want to have a stake 1:24:35.000 --> 1:24:35.240 in it. 1:24:36.000 --> 1:24:39.640 Yeah, makes sense, So people out there collecting the signatures, 1:24:39.680 --> 1:24:42.200 you up till July first to get this, and there's 1:24:42.240 --> 1:24:44.960 a few more hurdles to jump in this discuss. The 1:24:45.000 --> 1:24:47.480 other thing too, is are you going to have pushback 1:24:47.520 --> 1:24:50.759 then from the state because Governor Mike DeWine is hanging 1:24:50.760 --> 1:24:52.559 his hat on this and wanting to put data centers 1:24:52.600 --> 1:24:56.479 in He's champion them for years. Republican lawmakers handed out 1:24:56.520 --> 1:24:59.040 billions and tax breaks in this industry, and now maybe 1:24:59.040 --> 1:25:00.880 they're pumping the breaks have And second thoughts, I'm not 1:25:00.960 --> 1:25:03.040 quite sure what do you make all that plus all 1:25:03.040 --> 1:25:05.360 the money that these big companies and we're talking the 1:25:05.400 --> 1:25:07.880 Amazons of the world are going to be throwing at 1:25:07.880 --> 1:25:11.080 this campaign to make sure that people vote in support 1:25:11.120 --> 1:25:13.280 of data centers as opposed to what with you guys 1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:17.080 are doing, Alex, Is this a winnable I mean, you 1:25:17.160 --> 1:25:20.400 get on the ballot, But the problem is it's just 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:23.680 grassroots versus all that money in politics. Does that frighten. 1:25:23.400 --> 1:25:27.759 You well, because we would expect pushback from the state 1:25:28.360 --> 1:25:31.240 and also from big tech, which is inherently why we're. 1:25:31.040 --> 1:25:31.880 Here right now. 1:25:32.439 --> 1:25:35.240 And you know, when we also look at again valid 1:25:35.280 --> 1:25:39.120 issues with the political action campaigns, you know, based on 1:25:39.240 --> 1:25:42.280 the contributions that we would receive. That is the standpoint 1:25:42.280 --> 1:25:46.000 of Then we're looking at getting paid circulators to gather 1:25:46.080 --> 1:25:51.479 the petitions and actually get more of a modernized movement going. 1:25:51.520 --> 1:25:54.759 But if you look at the underlying, you know, drive 1:25:54.880 --> 1:25:57.400 of people here, it's about protecting their land in Ohio. 1:25:58.160 --> 1:26:01.400 And from my standpoint, if you had to ask me, 1:26:03.120 --> 1:26:06.240 would I rather side with big tech and the government 1:26:06.560 --> 1:26:10.040 or our residents here in Ohio that are so prideful 1:26:10.040 --> 1:26:12.200 of their land, so prideful where they're from and then 1:26:12.280 --> 1:26:15.680 wanting to protect that in a responsible way, I'm going 1:26:15.760 --> 1:26:17.360 to go with the residents of Ohio. 1:26:17.479 --> 1:26:20.759 Yeah, fair enough, all right, So look for people asking 1:26:20.800 --> 1:26:24.080 for your signature. It's a very important issue data centers 1:26:24.120 --> 1:26:26.800 in and around Ohio. Alex Schaeffer, thanks again for jumping 1:26:26.840 --> 1:26:28.200 on the show. Brother, I appreciate it. 1:26:29.120 --> 1:26:31.000 Scott, thank you very much. Thank you to the Tri 1:26:31.120 --> 1:26:36.160 State area again for you allowing us to voice what's 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:38.040 going on here in Adams and now the state on 1:26:38.160 --> 1:26:38.679 seven hundred. 1:26:38.760 --> 1:26:39.960 Wow, you appreciate it. 1:26:39.960 --> 1:26:40.160 Man. 1:26:40.200 --> 1:26:43.120 Be well. And it's not just Adams County, of course, 1:26:43.160 --> 1:26:46.320 it's all the other counties in Ohio, especially the rural 1:26:46.400 --> 1:26:48.760 ones where we're looking at data centers in Cincinnati for 1:26:48.760 --> 1:26:51.559 that matter, where they declared that moratorium on this stuff 1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:54.280 until the legislature gets in and comes up with a plan. 1:26:54.320 --> 1:26:56.240 We need to study, we need a plan. What's taken 1:26:56.280 --> 1:26:58.320 so long. Let's get after it. But you know, this 1:26:58.439 --> 1:27:01.280 is the same government, granted that the state, the federal 1:27:01.680 --> 1:27:05.080 that can't even pay tsa workers. So it feels like 1:27:05.120 --> 1:27:07.360 sometimes hope has left the building. We'll get a time 1:27:07.400 --> 1:27:09.800 out in and news is coming up in just minutes 1:27:09.840 --> 1:27:12.679 and Jeff Carr is here. We'll get some good news 1:27:12.720 --> 1:27:17.080 because the Reds have won their first series of the season, 1:27:17.200 --> 1:27:18.720 and it feels like, I don't know, it feels like 1:27:18.760 --> 1:27:21.559 twenty years. It's probably not true, but it just feels 1:27:21.600 --> 1:27:24.120 like they don't win series until they're either out of 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:25.080 it or late in the season. 1:27:25.120 --> 1:27:25.559 I make it. 1:27:25.680 --> 1:27:27.800 And now out of the blocks, you take two or 1:27:27.800 --> 1:27:31.479 three from Boston. How we looking pretty good? Pretty damn good? 1:27:31.560 --> 1:27:35.120 Just ahead Jeff Carr from Lockdown. Reds will wrap up 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:38.160 the first weekend of Major League Baseball here in Cincinnati, 1:27:38.160 --> 1:27:41.960 Ohio on the Scotsland Show seven hundred Wilda. How about 1:27:42.000 --> 1:27:44.920 something positive I about those Red Leagues taking two to 1:27:45.040 --> 1:27:48.080 three from the Socks to open up the year. We've 1:27:48.120 --> 1:27:51.320 got a rookie already making history. I think a lock 1:27:51.439 --> 1:27:53.639 right now for Rookie of the Year after the first series. 1:27:53.680 --> 1:27:55.760 And a guy who's in pitching the big leagues and 1:27:55.920 --> 1:27:58.599 what five hundred and something days looks like? He never left? 1:27:58.600 --> 1:28:00.439 Who got a guy who lives in breeze the roster 1:28:00.520 --> 1:28:04.400 every single day? The only daily Reds podcast, Jeff Carr 1:28:04.400 --> 1:28:06.519 locked on Red's Welcome Back Son, How we doin? 1:28:07.760 --> 1:28:09.439 That was a great first weekend Sloany. 1:28:09.520 --> 1:28:12.080 After opening Day, everybody was worried. 1:28:11.720 --> 1:28:14.200 But I was so happy to see that they battled 1:28:14.200 --> 1:28:15.040 back to that series. 1:28:16.080 --> 1:28:19.040 Well, it's very Cincinnati. If you win the first game 1:28:19.080 --> 1:28:20.920 of the season and opening because it's so big, you're 1:28:20.920 --> 1:28:23.920 going to the World Series. If you lose, the team's 1:28:23.920 --> 1:28:26.080 going to hell. We're not gonna be able to do anything. 1:28:26.120 --> 1:28:27.640 We can't get everyone away. We're not gonna make it. 1:28:27.640 --> 1:28:30.040 We're gonna we're gonna be mathematically eliminated by the All 1:28:30.040 --> 1:28:32.599 Star break. You know, it's either really really high. We're 1:28:32.720 --> 1:28:36.240 very manic in that regard. Two wins final two games 1:28:36.760 --> 1:28:39.120 after being shut on an opening day. What's the most 1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:42.560 important takeaway from you that you saw in this opening series. 1:28:42.320 --> 1:28:46.559 Jet, I think it's overall that the lineup is better, 1:28:46.920 --> 1:28:50.000 and we saw two different reasons why. On Saturday it 1:28:50.080 --> 1:28:53.080 was the middle of the lineup between McClain, Ellie and 1:28:53.240 --> 1:28:57.280 south Stewart just all going off. They were constantly complimenting 1:28:57.360 --> 1:29:00.560 each other with hits here and there and Homer's everywhere. 1:29:01.400 --> 1:29:04.680 And then on Sunday it was the one thing that 1:29:04.720 --> 1:29:06.920 they brought a eu Haniu Suarez in here to do. 1:29:07.080 --> 1:29:08.439 Sure, people are. 1:29:08.280 --> 1:29:11.040 Going to belabor the batting average, people are going to 1:29:11.080 --> 1:29:13.880 talk about the strikeouts, and as we heard on both 1:29:13.920 --> 1:29:17.600 broadcasts at different point throughout the weekend, he left a 1:29:17.680 --> 1:29:20.000 small army on base in the first two games. But 1:29:20.680 --> 1:29:23.880 it's that one swing that he can deliver in a 1:29:23.960 --> 1:29:27.880 key moment when things just aren't quite going the reds 1:29:27.920 --> 1:29:31.280 way and flip the script because the Red lineup was 1:29:31.360 --> 1:29:34.639 pretty much shut out. I mean, I actually shut out 1:29:34.680 --> 1:29:37.439 the rest of the game except for au Haneu swars 1:29:37.520 --> 1:29:40.360 one swing for three runs and they get the win, 1:29:40.520 --> 1:29:42.160 and that's why he's here. 1:29:42.800 --> 1:29:45.120 Well exactly, I mean everyone was excited, Hey, forty nine 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:47.439 Horme runs last year. But if you extrapolate that, that's 1:29:47.439 --> 1:29:50.679 about what this would look like right game right. 1:29:52.920 --> 1:29:53.480 Exactly. 1:29:53.560 --> 1:29:57.040 And really the way that this lineup was able to 1:29:57.080 --> 1:30:00.479 put things together looked different from last year because we 1:30:00.600 --> 1:30:04.160 constantly heard, well, you got a string hits together, single single, 1:30:04.240 --> 1:30:07.080 single death by a thousand customers, that's how this offense 1:30:07.160 --> 1:30:09.719 is going to work. But there were multiple different ways, 1:30:09.720 --> 1:30:12.200 but it showed over the weekend how it can be 1:30:12.280 --> 1:30:14.719 the team. And make no mistake about it, the pitchers 1:30:14.720 --> 1:30:18.240 that Threads faced from Boston are supposed to be really 1:30:18.280 --> 1:30:21.840 good and connolly early in Sunny Grade, So I'm I'm 1:30:21.880 --> 1:30:24.360 happy with the fact that they faced the high level 1:30:24.360 --> 1:30:26.840 of competition and they rose to the challenge. 1:30:27.160 --> 1:30:30.760 Sales Stewart's already making history as a rookie. How good 1:30:30.800 --> 1:30:33.439 can he actually be? Is there really succeeding you put 1:30:33.439 --> 1:30:35.760 on him? Because we know that typically what happens is 1:30:35.760 --> 1:30:38.559 you go hot like this and then after a handful 1:30:38.600 --> 1:30:40.840 of games, the league catches up. They got a book 1:30:40.880 --> 1:30:43.120 on you. Okay, they start pitching it different. Then you 1:30:43.200 --> 1:30:45.439 have to up your game a little bit. What do 1:30:45.439 --> 1:30:47.280 you see how this plays out for Sales Stewart how 1:30:47.280 --> 1:30:49.479 many years will it be? In thirty years, will he 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:51.640 putting a buying a clock and putting it up in 1:30:51.640 --> 1:30:54.360 front of Great American Ballpark like our last like our 1:30:54.439 --> 1:30:55.240 last rookie. 1:30:56.000 --> 1:30:59.080 I put no pressure on anybody to be Joey Vado, 1:30:59.160 --> 1:31:02.040 I'll say that. But when I do look at South Stewart, 1:31:02.080 --> 1:31:04.559 I see a lot of things that can translate to 1:31:04.640 --> 1:31:07.240 a really, really good season. They're going to be a 1:31:07.320 --> 1:31:10.759 seven hundred average season, probably not that has ever happened before, 1:31:11.160 --> 1:31:15.599 but he can easily bat somewhere north of two seventy 1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:17.920 five two eighty. And then we're talking about a guy 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:22.439 who should be around that five hundred range for slugging, 1:31:23.200 --> 1:31:25.080 and that's going to be so key. That's what the 1:31:25.120 --> 1:31:27.360 Reds need in the middle of this lineup, and that's 1:31:27.400 --> 1:31:30.720 what Peedo seasoned him. But the other thing that is 1:31:30.800 --> 1:31:33.519 added to this and is very clear, is that his 1:31:33.680 --> 1:31:37.519 patience at the plate knows no bounds, because especially on 1:31:37.560 --> 1:31:40.760 Saturday and Sunday, Boston pitchers we're really trying to work 1:31:40.800 --> 1:31:44.639 around him and trying to dare him to chase pitches 1:31:44.720 --> 1:31:47.280 high low out in no matter where they were, they 1:31:47.280 --> 1:31:50.040 weren't in the strike zone and he was. He was 1:31:50.120 --> 1:31:52.719 fine to just say, look, I'm waiting on my pitch. 1:31:53.120 --> 1:31:54.880 You didn't give it to me, I'll take my base. 1:31:55.320 --> 1:31:58.960 He had no qualms about being patient at the plate, 1:31:59.000 --> 1:32:01.040 and I think for me, that is the biggest takeaway 1:32:01.040 --> 1:32:03.880 I had of his game all weekend is that even 1:32:03.880 --> 1:32:06.920 though he's a rook with just about a month in 1:32:07.000 --> 1:32:10.080 the major leagues, more than you and I, he looked 1:32:10.080 --> 1:32:12.720 as though he has been there for so long and 1:32:12.840 --> 1:32:15.200 his game is going to translate all season long with 1:32:15.280 --> 1:32:17.000 that type of play discipline. 1:32:16.600 --> 1:32:19.519 All right, yeah, and who knows. I mean, he keeps 1:32:19.600 --> 1:32:21.519 us up at this pace and even if he settles 1:32:21.560 --> 1:32:23.920 down a little bit, good lord, Rookie of the Year MVP, 1:32:24.000 --> 1:32:24.840 I'll rolled in the one. 1:32:26.240 --> 1:32:30.360 Yeah. I think that Terry Francona would even probably tell 1:32:30.360 --> 1:32:32.160 you that was just like, you know, Rookie of the 1:32:32.200 --> 1:32:35.360 Year sounds nice, But he has higher aspirations than that. 1:32:35.479 --> 1:32:37.120 And if you heard Sal. 1:32:37.000 --> 1:32:39.559 Stewart talk at Redsfest and stuff like that, I don't 1:32:39.600 --> 1:32:41.680 even know that individual accolades. 1:32:41.240 --> 1:32:43.320 Matter to him. He's like, I want to win. I 1:32:43.439 --> 1:32:45.759 want this team to advance in the postseason. 1:32:45.800 --> 1:32:48.720 Because whenever he was asked about you know, getting his 1:32:48.760 --> 1:32:51.639 first postseason action in his very first season, very first 1:32:51.640 --> 1:32:53.880 taste in the major leagues. He was like, well, you know, 1:32:54.080 --> 1:32:55.920 that was nice and all, but I want to win, 1:32:56.280 --> 1:32:57.840 and that's what they're looking for. 1:32:57.920 --> 1:33:00.559 And when now is a rookie's that's awesome, right Louder 1:33:01.000 --> 1:33:04.559 hasn't pitching like a year and a half. He goes 1:33:04.600 --> 1:33:07.840 five innings in his first start, has the lead. That's 1:33:07.840 --> 1:33:10.040 pretty damn encouraging. The guy has been on the bench 1:33:10.080 --> 1:33:12.559 that long, rehab that long. It looks so damn good, 1:33:12.920 --> 1:33:16.160 almost like mid season form, if you will this weekend. 1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:21.479 He is my favorite kind of pitcher. He's a thinking 1:33:21.600 --> 1:33:24.360 man's pitcher. It's not just he can rare back and 1:33:24.360 --> 1:33:26.240 throw one hundred miles an hour when he needs to. 1:33:26.760 --> 1:33:30.560 It's more so ninety five ninety six. But he locates 1:33:30.640 --> 1:33:34.679 everything with just about the precision that you would expect 1:33:35.600 --> 1:33:38.840 from a guy that he has pitched all of his career. 1:33:38.880 --> 1:33:40.760 He was a guy that after the Reds drafted him 1:33:40.960 --> 1:33:42.599 and he showed up in Dayton, I got a chance 1:33:42.600 --> 1:33:44.600 to interview him a little bit and he said, you know, 1:33:44.680 --> 1:33:48.120 even from day one, I recognize that I couldn't throw 1:33:48.160 --> 1:33:50.920 as hard as other players, and so I had to 1:33:50.960 --> 1:33:54.120 outthink the hitter from high school all the way through 1:33:54.120 --> 1:33:56.280 college and all the way up to this point. And 1:33:56.320 --> 1:33:58.160 so I think that we're going to see that every 1:33:58.240 --> 1:34:00.400 time he's on the mound, he's going to have a 1:34:00.439 --> 1:34:03.679 shot that that's a really good game because he knows 1:34:03.800 --> 1:34:06.400 he's got four great pitches that he can work with, 1:34:06.760 --> 1:34:08.800 he can locate them all around the strike zone as 1:34:08.800 --> 1:34:12.280 he needs to, and he can really face down an 1:34:12.320 --> 1:34:16.839 opposing lineup that I mean, he struck out Roman Anthony twice, yeah, yesterday, 1:34:16.840 --> 1:34:19.840 and Roman Anthony just absolutely did whatever he wanted in 1:34:19.840 --> 1:34:22.479 the first two games. So that was super encouraging to 1:34:22.479 --> 1:34:24.880 see that a guy like britt Lauder was so little 1:34:25.240 --> 1:34:28.640 major league experience, was able to affect the game so 1:34:29.160 --> 1:34:30.920 very keenly. 1:34:31.439 --> 1:34:35.280 Yeah yeah, yeah, make it up. That's why it works. 1:34:36.040 --> 1:34:38.759 He is Jeff carrl Lockdown, Red's only daily Reds podcast, 1:34:38.840 --> 1:34:41.760 chopping up this past weekend, opening weekend in Cincinnati with 1:34:41.840 --> 1:34:44.720 the Boys come out of victorious, taking all but one 1:34:44.760 --> 1:34:46.680 game and the home opener. Who cares, We won the 1:34:46.760 --> 1:34:51.040 last two Pittsburgh in town tonight and the season continues. 1:34:51.720 --> 1:34:52.320 I think it's. 1:34:52.200 --> 1:34:55.600 Interesting, you know that the debate over what Terry Francone 1:34:55.680 --> 1:34:58.200 gets you, and many would argue that the reason they 1:34:58.240 --> 1:34:59.840 made the playoffs because of the moves he made with 1:35:00.200 --> 1:35:04.200 personnellity had. I think moving Chase Burns away from Boston 1:35:04.240 --> 1:35:08.320 specifically what happened last year that you know, people for 1:35:08.400 --> 1:35:11.880 I think people forget that because of the excitement of 1:35:11.960 --> 1:35:14.320 the offense and the pitching and the questions and yeah, 1:35:14.400 --> 1:35:16.080 I mean there's those little things. The way he's got 1:35:16.080 --> 1:35:19.760 this lineup situated right now, how many wins would you 1:35:19.800 --> 1:35:23.639 project a manager like Tito gets you versus I don't know, 1:35:23.760 --> 1:35:27.400 not to pick on them at David Bell. 1:35:26.400 --> 1:35:30.799 I'd say probably about five to ten if they're really 1:35:30.840 --> 1:35:32.920 really good. But it's been a while since we've seen 1:35:33.560 --> 1:35:35.240 a manager that can I had ten wins, but I 1:35:35.280 --> 1:35:39.040 definitely would say that Terry Francona added about five wins 1:35:39.040 --> 1:35:42.360 this last season because the way that you saw some 1:35:42.400 --> 1:35:46.200 of the games that he attacked were completely different. To 1:35:46.320 --> 1:35:48.599 compare it to David Bell, because there were multiple points 1:35:48.640 --> 1:35:52.519 throughout David Bill's tenure that something would happen in the 1:35:52.560 --> 1:35:53.080 middle of the game. 1:35:53.120 --> 1:35:54.639 It'd be an injury, it. 1:35:54.600 --> 1:35:57.639 Would be I don't know, a thirty or forty pitch 1:35:57.760 --> 1:36:01.080 inning that a pitcher would need to be and then 1:36:01.120 --> 1:36:04.680 we would see the back end of the bullpen just 1:36:04.800 --> 1:36:08.960 completely go home, and they were bringing in these guys 1:36:09.000 --> 1:36:13.960 that they barely pitched or they pitched poorly. And after 1:36:14.040 --> 1:36:16.120 the game, you know, David Bell would say something to 1:36:16.160 --> 1:36:19.040 the effect of, while we were making sure that everything 1:36:19.080 --> 1:36:23.639 is rested for tomorrow, he managed for tomorrow. Tito managed 1:36:23.640 --> 1:36:26.120 for today every single day. It didn't matter what it was. 1:36:26.320 --> 1:36:30.280 And it wasn't a Game seven type urgency where it's 1:36:30.320 --> 1:36:35.559 like we've got to absolutely put everything in harm's way, 1:36:36.000 --> 1:36:39.679 but it was such an urgency that you knew today mattered. 1:36:39.760 --> 1:36:41.880 And that's how it felt, even in these first three 1:36:41.920 --> 1:36:44.639 games where he was able to move some things around. 1:36:44.720 --> 1:36:47.960 And I know there's some criticism of, you know, leaving TJ. 1:36:48.120 --> 1:36:50.960 Friedland against left handed pitching because Dan Myers was sitting 1:36:50.960 --> 1:36:53.320 on the bench, but there were definitely other moves that 1:36:53.400 --> 1:36:55.960 made plenty of sense. And I think that Sarah Francona 1:36:56.000 --> 1:36:58.799 shows us that he's he's about a five win manager. 1:36:58.840 --> 1:37:02.120 I would say, okay, yeah, we saw Okay win this 1:37:02.160 --> 1:37:04.639 year's against Boston. Pittsburgh is a lightweight, so you would 1:37:04.680 --> 1:37:06.400 hope and they'd be able the Sweeper certainly win the 1:37:06.400 --> 1:37:08.920 series there. Then it's off to Texas and Miami. Then 1:37:08.960 --> 1:37:12.920 you got the you got Anaheim, you got Frisco in there, Minnesota, Detroit. 1:37:13.640 --> 1:37:16.120 All in this first month of the season, Hunter Green 1:37:16.200 --> 1:37:18.920 is out till July, Lodolo's already on the isle with 1:37:18.960 --> 1:37:22.240 the blister, Ferguson hasn't thrown a pitch yet. Just how 1:37:22.280 --> 1:37:24.880 in the brink are they and what's your realistic best 1:37:24.880 --> 1:37:26.280 case scenario for the first half. 1:37:27.640 --> 1:37:29.880 I still think that the pitching staff was looking really well, 1:37:29.960 --> 1:37:33.400 especially after watching Rhet Louder, and I'm expecting Chase Burns 1:37:33.439 --> 1:37:36.040 and even Brandon Wimson to look pretty good here as 1:37:36.080 --> 1:37:38.679 they begin against the Pirates. Plane up that is much 1:37:38.760 --> 1:37:41.600 revamped from last season. Looks like they can be a 1:37:41.640 --> 1:37:44.120 lot more dangerous. But the Pirates are still a very 1:37:44.160 --> 1:37:46.519 flawed team. And I think you're right the Reds should 1:37:47.080 --> 1:37:51.160 win this series. They've got a massive opportunity with a 1:37:51.200 --> 1:37:52.479 lot of different games coming up. 1:37:53.200 --> 1:37:55.080 It should be theirs because. 1:37:55.920 --> 1:37:57.920 This is a tough thing, and baseball players will never 1:37:57.960 --> 1:37:59.640 tell you this, and managers will never tell you this. 1:37:59.680 --> 1:38:01.439 They don't look at the schedule as a whole. They 1:38:01.439 --> 1:38:04.400 look at every single day, but we as fans can't. 1:38:04.520 --> 1:38:06.600 And when you look at the month of April, it 1:38:06.720 --> 1:38:09.320 is vastly different from the month of September. And even 1:38:09.360 --> 1:38:12.639 though Hunter Green isn't here and we're still waiting on 1:38:12.720 --> 1:38:15.880 the debut for Nickelodola this year, this is the time 1:38:15.960 --> 1:38:18.559 to really make some headway because you mentioned a lot 1:38:18.560 --> 1:38:20.559 of teams in there that the Reds should beat up on. 1:38:20.640 --> 1:38:24.479 I know that the Marlins are actually undefeated, they swept 1:38:24.560 --> 1:38:26.000 the Rockies in their first series, but. 1:38:25.960 --> 1:38:26.559 I don't buy that. 1:38:26.680 --> 1:38:29.280 I don't think that the Marlins are that kind of 1:38:29.280 --> 1:38:31.479 a team that the Reds really got to be like. 1:38:31.520 --> 1:38:34.519 Oh, we got to fear these guys. Yeah, and they're not. 1:38:34.680 --> 1:38:36.920 There's no Brewers on the schedule, and I don't think 1:38:36.920 --> 1:38:39.240 there's any Cubs on the schedule until either very late 1:38:39.240 --> 1:38:41.000 in the month or into the month of May. 1:38:41.560 --> 1:38:42.200 And so when you. 1:38:42.160 --> 1:38:45.000 Look at that, those are the games that you really 1:38:45.040 --> 1:38:47.280 really need to have a leg up on before you 1:38:47.320 --> 1:38:49.000 even go into it. This is where you get your 1:38:49.080 --> 1:38:51.439 leg up. And the good news was on Nickelodola, we 1:38:51.479 --> 1:38:53.920 heard that he's got a reheab start coming up. Later 1:38:53.960 --> 1:38:56.679 this week and we should be seeing him hopefully back. 1:38:57.240 --> 1:38:57.960 I would say in the. 1:38:57.920 --> 1:39:01.200 Next ten days that one, you know, you can have 1:39:01.320 --> 1:39:04.640 Tommy John surge. We have acl all these things, but 1:39:05.240 --> 1:39:08.479 a blister there's no remedy for that is just this 1:39:08.600 --> 1:39:10.720 is Is this what Nick de Lodolo is going to 1:39:10.760 --> 1:39:13.000 be is like a pitch lights out and then be 1:39:13.120 --> 1:39:15.400 on the il for ten days because he's got a blister. 1:39:15.720 --> 1:39:17.680 Is that just what we should expect from him. 1:39:18.120 --> 1:39:19.559 I think there's going to be a day where he 1:39:19.600 --> 1:39:22.880 releases the book slowly of how to treat blisters on 1:39:22.920 --> 1:39:25.519 your finger, because I think he's gone through every single 1:39:25.600 --> 1:39:28.559 yel at this point. You're right, Like, I mean, we 1:39:28.640 --> 1:39:31.200 constantly hear in spring training about how he's doing all 1:39:31.280 --> 1:39:33.360 this and that and the other, and what he is 1:39:33.439 --> 1:39:36.599 doing to avoid them. But you're right, as far as 1:39:36.640 --> 1:39:39.640 like injuries go, it seems pretty minor, but when it 1:39:39.800 --> 1:39:43.800 keeps happening so very much, seems to really taint everyone's 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:46.240 view of the pitcher. And I think that we will 1:39:46.360 --> 1:39:48.080 finally see a point where there's going to be a 1:39:48.120 --> 1:39:50.760 gallous form. I would reckon on that finger that he 1:39:50.800 --> 1:39:54.839 can control his curveball and still be an effective pitcher, 1:39:55.760 --> 1:39:58.400 but overall, like the whole blister thing was so funny 1:39:58.439 --> 1:40:01.400 because it also affects Brady Singer. You know, everyone was 1:40:01.439 --> 1:40:04.559 talking about and myself included, that looked like everything was 1:40:04.600 --> 1:40:06.479 good to go. I mean, obviously he made his first 1:40:06.479 --> 1:40:08.960 start of the season, but it was clear it was 1:40:09.000 --> 1:40:11.040 the second or the third in he was standing on 1:40:11.040 --> 1:40:13.120 the mountain waiting for the signal and he was, you know, 1:40:13.160 --> 1:40:16.000 trying to bite off the dead skin from that blister 1:40:16.160 --> 1:40:18.679 and get it off of his finger, and it's like, okay, 1:40:18.680 --> 1:40:23.120 it's still bothering. So you saw some control issues with 1:40:23.200 --> 1:40:23.760 him out there. 1:40:23.960 --> 1:40:26.800 And that's the biggest problem is that this. 1:40:26.880 --> 1:40:29.000 Little tiny thing on the end of your finger that 1:40:29.160 --> 1:40:32.160 forces you to just lose control of the most key 1:40:32.479 --> 1:40:34.840 of your game. That's when you're trying to make the 1:40:34.840 --> 1:40:37.920 ball move. So I think ultimately we're going to see 1:40:38.000 --> 1:40:41.240 Nick Lidla figure away around this because it's such a 1:40:41.280 --> 1:40:43.760 minor issue. It's just it's cropped up so much. I 1:40:43.800 --> 1:40:45.760 think people have lost belief that he can. 1:40:46.160 --> 1:40:49.720 Yeah, Jeff Carr, the bench delivered in a big way 1:40:49.720 --> 1:40:52.679 on Saturday. Myers had to walk off Spencer Steer playing 1:40:52.720 --> 1:40:57.240 three positions, making all the white roofs, you know, outside 1:40:57.240 --> 1:40:59.240 of pitching, which is going to sort of self out 1:40:59.280 --> 1:41:01.120 at some point. You can't control the injuries and the 1:41:01.120 --> 1:41:03.479 eel and all that, but you know, just you look 1:41:03.520 --> 1:41:05.960 at an element. I don't think we've considered that as 1:41:06.000 --> 1:41:07.280 the Reds are pretty deep. 1:41:08.640 --> 1:41:11.639 They are, and they've got a lot of weapons off 1:41:11.680 --> 1:41:13.800 the bench, because it feels like in years past the 1:41:13.800 --> 1:41:16.800 bench has been full of utility guys that well, their 1:41:16.840 --> 1:41:19.439 glove works, but we're really not sure if we actually 1:41:19.479 --> 1:41:23.040 need to have them hit against somebody else. That's not 1:41:23.160 --> 1:41:26.880 the case now. And Dane Myers really showed his value. 1:41:26.920 --> 1:41:29.200 It's not necessarily that he is a long ball guy. 1:41:29.200 --> 1:41:31.680 It's that he's a bat on ball guy. Lots of contact, 1:41:32.000 --> 1:41:33.519 be able to hit you a line drive, gets you 1:41:33.520 --> 1:41:36.320 a single, keep the lineup moving. But he also has 1:41:36.360 --> 1:41:38.760 a really good ability and we didn't really see it 1:41:38.800 --> 1:41:41.400 this weekend, but we will at some point. His arm 1:41:41.800 --> 1:41:44.719 is elite. There's a lot of people that talk about 1:41:44.720 --> 1:41:47.799 how talented he is in the outfield and throwing guys 1:41:47.840 --> 1:41:50.680 out at different basis, and that's going to be an 1:41:50.720 --> 1:41:53.880 interesting wrinkle that the Reds add to their divisional matchups. 1:41:54.160 --> 1:41:56.280 Because teams like the Pirates and the Brewers and the 1:41:56.320 --> 1:41:59.080 Cubs and the Cardinals all know that the Reds lineup 1:41:59.080 --> 1:42:02.599 has been kind of suspect, or the Red's outfield, I'm sorry, 1:42:02.640 --> 1:42:05.400 hasn't been kind of suspect these last few years. And 1:42:05.439 --> 1:42:07.800 so you can run on these guys, you can't run 1:42:07.800 --> 1:42:11.000 on Day Myers. And I'm interested to see the first 1:42:11.040 --> 1:42:14.599 time that he announces himself in that manner. But you're right, 1:42:14.680 --> 1:42:16.599 the rest of the bench is full of guys. I mean, 1:42:16.840 --> 1:42:20.000 we didn't see Nate Lowe really provide the value that 1:42:20.040 --> 1:42:23.400 I'm expecting of him. He literally got one at bats, 1:42:23.439 --> 1:42:26.160 so it's really hard to belabor that point. But I 1:42:26.160 --> 1:42:28.479 think that we will see him come up in some 1:42:28.600 --> 1:42:30.720 key moments and give the Reds some key pinch hit 1:42:30.760 --> 1:42:33.760 at bats and get some starts at first base. And 1:42:33.800 --> 1:42:37.120 then the outfield situation between how he can move Will 1:42:37.120 --> 1:42:39.160 Benson in there, how he can move Spencer to Steer 1:42:39.200 --> 1:42:41.479 in there. Like you mentioned, Spencer Steer played three different 1:42:41.479 --> 1:42:46.280 positions this weekend. But oh by the way, according to Statcast, 1:42:46.720 --> 1:42:50.640 he increased his swing speed significantly from last year. It 1:42:50.680 --> 1:42:53.360 was around seventy miles an hour, which was below the 1:42:53.400 --> 1:42:55.639 league average to now seventy three miles an hour, which 1:42:55.680 --> 1:42:58.160 is above ly gaverage. We're talking about a stronger hitter 1:42:58.160 --> 1:43:00.960 at the play even with him moving around. So I 1:43:01.000 --> 1:43:02.960 think that there's going to be a lot of value 1:43:02.960 --> 1:43:05.839 that Spencer Steer brings this team. He's been a valuable 1:43:05.840 --> 1:43:09.479 guys to the point in his career so far, but 1:43:09.520 --> 1:43:11.679 I think that we will see even more from him 1:43:11.680 --> 1:43:12.120 this year. 1:43:12.800 --> 1:43:17.240 He is Jeff Carr only Daily Red's podcast. It's called 1:43:17.320 --> 1:43:19.599 Locked on Reds. You can follow him there. He jumps 1:43:19.600 --> 1:43:22.080 on the show every Monday morning. Next time we talked, Jeff, 1:43:22.680 --> 1:43:25.759 we'll have had three at Pittsburgh. Against Pittsburgh I should 1:43:25.760 --> 1:43:28.000 say six forty tonight with the five forty inside pitch 1:43:28.040 --> 1:43:29.839 on the Home of the Red seven hundred w welw 1:43:30.400 --> 1:43:33.120 off on Thursday. Then first road trip of the season 1:43:33.240 --> 1:43:36.519 is off to Texas. We'll be talking about that before 1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:39.240 they head to Miami and then back home again for 1:43:39.320 --> 1:43:42.679 the tenth starting weekends. Heies in Friday, fireworks and then 1:43:42.960 --> 1:43:45.840 so lots to talk about the interim. All the best, Buddy, 1:43:45.840 --> 1:43:47.640 Thanks for jumping on the show this morning. 1:43:48.160 --> 1:43:49.120 So I appreciate you. 1:43:49.240 --> 1:43:53.160 Go RD Jeff Carr locked on Reds this morning. All right, 1:43:53.160 --> 1:43:55.479 Red's Baseball. As I mentioned getting on later night. Willie 1:43:55.520 --> 1:43:57.400 is coming up in just a few minutes, and then 1:43:58.120 --> 1:44:00.439 Eddie and Rock and of course Lance mccallis takes you 1:44:00.479 --> 1:44:02.800 to that inside pitch at five point forty Houlver the Red, 1:44:02.840 --> 1:44:04.640 seven hundred w AUTIWT, Cincinnati,