Speaker 1: Still want to be an American. You've got for them
Speaker 1: till seven hundred ww. Here we go in this Monday morning,
Speaker 1: a little bit better, a little wind at our back,
Speaker 1: because the Reds take two of three in Boston. How
Speaker 1: do you like that?
Speaker 2: I say?
Speaker 1: In Boston against Boston is what I meant to say.
Speaker 1: Home game that continues to night against the Pirates. Reds
Speaker 1: keep on rolling. They're looking pretty good, looking pretty good.
Speaker 1: Also happening in Cincinnati. Of course, you may remember this
Speaker 1: history always repeats itself. We may have Mahogany's two point
Speaker 1: zero at our hands right now. There is, in this
Speaker 1: time of very very delicate budgets, the city trying to
Speaker 1: save some money. The city is underwater somewhat too, and
Speaker 1: they're asking for budget cuts. At the same time, the
Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati is handing out money to people who
Speaker 1: in I guess private's a private sector. You go to
Speaker 1: get a loan and you can't back up your claims
Speaker 1: and you don't have any collateral. You got problems. But
Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati, it's your money. We're just going
Speaker 1: to hand it out on this It's a very interesting story.
Speaker 1: Is council Member Mark Jefferys Mark welcome. How are you.
Speaker 2: I'm doing well.
Speaker 1: Thanks, I'm doing before we began, of course, we had
Speaker 1: and I have a chance to talk to you. But
Speaker 1: what happened Thursday at the at the banks relative to
Speaker 1: the outbreak of crime there too, and some said it's
Speaker 1: a riot, but it was a bunch of individuals out
Speaker 1: there just wreaking havoc, shutting things down. They closed the banks,
Speaker 1: early crime, crime and more crime. I know the Teresa
Speaker 1: Thiji report is due out any minute now, and there
Speaker 1: was a prempt to strike by her attorneys to say, well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a bunch of bs and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of noise. But there's nothing there, any
Speaker 1: word on when that report's coming out.
Speaker 2: By the way, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know on the report what I would say about Thursday.
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, it was disgraceful. I was down for
Speaker 3: the parade as usual, an amazing day. Parade was great,
Speaker 3: everyone was good. Opening day. The game itself wasn't too great,
Speaker 3: but we did recover.
Speaker 2: It's all right.
Speaker 3: But look, I mean, you know, I use the word hooligan.
Speaker 3: Some people attack me online, but you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's so different than the hooligans to disrupt soccer matches
Speaker 3: in Europe. I mean people who disrupt the perfectly peaceful day,
Speaker 3: beautiful day, and you know, I mean, we can't have
Speaker 3: this in our city. So you know, we got to
Speaker 3: I'm grateful that you know. It looks like some of
Speaker 3: the folks are going to have, you know, higher bond,
Speaker 3: which I think is appropriate because you know, we need
Speaker 3: to send a message. Is the same reason why next
Speaker 3: week will be taking up my motion to impound cars
Speaker 3: for up to six months on street takeovers. We have
Speaker 3: to send a message to people that you know, this
Speaker 3: is not behavior that is acceptable in our city.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get you back on to the
Speaker 1: street takeovers thing because Northern Kentucky is doing something there
Speaker 1: where they seize your curR and crush it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you want to go that far constitutionally speaking,
Speaker 1: but we'll circle back on it. But it's part of
Speaker 1: pressure for a bigger issue. I guess the biggest issue
Speaker 1: I have is people who are clapping back at you
Speaker 1: because use or hooligans. That's a pretty kind term considering
Speaker 1: what they were doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean anyone who's disrupt like that,
Speaker 3: It is a bunch of hooligans and look, I mean, uh,
Speaker 3: you know there were three parts of it, right. There
Speaker 3: were the kids at Washington Park making each other, there
Speaker 3: were people on Bye Street. You can't block an entire street,
Speaker 3: it's just inappropriate. And then down at the Bank it's
Speaker 3: the same thing. So part of it, Scott does come
Speaker 3: back to, you know, we need to make sure that
Speaker 3: people in their neighborhoods, you know, I mean that part
Speaker 3: of the attraction is people want to come downtown because
Speaker 3: it's fun and they want to hang out over the
Speaker 3: right things to do. We need to make sure that
Speaker 3: people in their neighborhoods have things to do. You know,
Speaker 3: this Friday, for example, were getting doing a groundbreaking first
Speaker 3: Gate park. All right, make sure kids and people have
Speaker 3: things to do in their neighborhood rec centers, libraries, other activities. So,
Speaker 3: you know, and especially in opening day. I think next
Speaker 3: year we got to look at that. It's like, hey,
Speaker 3: what kind of events attraction can we make for kids
Speaker 3: and other folks you know, to hang out in their
Speaker 3: neighborhood enjoy the day rather than you know, everybody gathering down.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and it's a problem too that looks like
Speaker 1: it's going to get worse. I mean, that was a
Speaker 1: sample of warm weather. We're gonna have a stretch of
Speaker 1: that before you know. It's starting well this week as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, in the next and you just
Speaker 1: wonder if all Hull's going to break loose to some
Speaker 1: degree because of all this pent up. I want to
Speaker 1: get outside, but it also brings out some hooligans, as
Speaker 1: you said, and other people. I'm going to bring that
Speaker 1: up because right now as we speak, I mentioned the
Speaker 1: Teresa Thigi controversy, and that report is coming out. Hitter
Speaker 1: in Chief Henny is going to testify before Budget and
Speaker 1: Finance because you're working on that right now, and across
Speaker 1: the board, departments are told to cut five point one percent.
Speaker 1: So a five point one percent budget reduction for police
Speaker 1: equals about eleven million dollars. And the only way to
Speaker 1: cut that, because ninety percent of the budget is personnel,
Speaker 1: the only way of cutting the five point one percent
Speaker 1: is to layoff cops. Can we really afford to lay
Speaker 1: police officers off from this environment?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that ain't happening. I mean I think look, I
Speaker 3: mean the city manager rightfully, at every department, if you
Speaker 3: had to cut five point one percent, what would that
Speaker 3: look out like which trikes. I think is a good
Speaker 3: exercise to do. I mean I did it all the
Speaker 3: time at PNG. Most private companies do it. Hey, what
Speaker 3: would what would happen if you had to cut five percent?
Speaker 3: And then you go through the exercise and maybe there
Speaker 3: are efficiencies you can do. You can automate different things,
Speaker 3: you can be a little more efficient. Good exercise to do.
Speaker 3: Are we going to cut police officers?
Speaker 2: Should? We know?
Speaker 3: We're going to do the opposite. I have my budget priorities,
Speaker 3: and I think my colleagues would agree. We have to
Speaker 3: continue to invest in new recruit classes.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, that's that has increased the size of the force.
Speaker 3: We need to continue to invest in recruit classes. So
Speaker 3: that's just not going to happen. I think it's a
Speaker 3: good exercise for every department to go through the you know,
Speaker 3: where are their efficiencies?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: You know, and then you know, we need to push
Speaker 3: ourselves on, hey how can we operate more efficiency? I
Speaker 3: know the police, you know are doing that even with
Speaker 3: how they leverage groans for example. Uh, you know, there's
Speaker 3: still a lot of ways that they can be more efficient.
Speaker 3: You know, going I think through technology, you automating, you know,
Speaker 3: some of the reporting, which I think they would love
Speaker 3: to do. Sure, you know, so I think it's a
Speaker 3: good exercise to go through. But no, we're not going
Speaker 3: to and nor should we see we should be doing
Speaker 3: the opposite, and we will be doing the opposite. Is
Speaker 3: adding more officers to the force.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So here's where this comes in. There's a
Speaker 1: you know, as members of councils said, hey, you know
Speaker 1: there's a lack of sit down restaurants in the West End.
Speaker 1: We need to sit down runt. So residents there have
Speaker 1: been trying to renovate a space on lind Street to
Speaker 1: fill that need. You guys a council approved four hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty five thousand over the last three years to
Speaker 1: fund that. But the problem is this the property owner.
Speaker 1: So this is a lease. They terminated the West End
Speaker 1: Sports Bar and Grills year long lease at the property.
Speaker 1: They said they haven't paid any rent. They're back like
Speaker 1: thirty seven thousand dollars. The landlord changed the locks. The owner,
Speaker 1: Nick Johnson, I believe it's a man's name, said you
Speaker 1: can only go in there to retrieve his personal property.
Speaker 1: And and so what happened was we had this money,
Speaker 1: we had four hundred and fifty five thousand dollars. It's
Speaker 1: been invested by the city, but didn't check to see
Speaker 1: that he was locked out of his place and he
Speaker 1: was behind, and other members of council stuff and said, well,
Speaker 1: this is for reparations for I seventy five ripping apart
Speaker 1: the neighbor and I'm not quite sure you picked one individual.
Speaker 1: This is looking like Mahogany's all over again in that
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve the city voted on council. I know
Speaker 1: you're around that, but six hundred and eighty four thousand
Speaker 1: dollars for Mahoganies at the banks and three hundred thousand
Speaker 1: loans for furnitures, fixtures, equipment, all that stuff, nearly a
Speaker 1: million dollars in financing for Liz Rogers. And from day one,
Speaker 1: it turns out Liz Rogers had multiple leans against her.
Speaker 1: She fell behind on her loan payments rather quickly, and
Speaker 1: the city got I think didn't even get the one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars back of the near million, because it
Speaker 1: was a very bad deal from the get go, and
Speaker 1: they just kept throwing money. Council then and the city manager,
Speaker 1: Harry Black, just kept throwing money like it was a
Speaker 1: bottomless pit out of some sort of guilt trip to
Speaker 1: say we have to lift this particular African American woman
Speaker 1: up and essentially give her money in order to open
Speaker 1: this business. Well that's all well and good, but again,
Speaker 1: you got to have a tracker of the success before you
Speaker 1: scale that up into something as prominent as one of
Speaker 1: the early buildings on the banks. How is this any
Speaker 1: different than what we're talking about today with this place
Speaker 1: on Lend Street.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I'd take a couple of thanks.
Speaker 2: Got first.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a disaster there. There has been about
Speaker 3: sixty thousand that has been spent no more, and the
Speaker 3: question is how can we claw that back? When this
Speaker 3: came up, I offered an amendment emotion to set in
Speaker 3: a mechanism to claw back any of this money and
Speaker 3: make sure that you know, hey, we can take back
Speaker 3: control of you know, whatever that investment is that didn't pass.
Speaker 3: It wasn't even seconded, you know, So what we have
Speaker 3: to figure out how do we get that six thousand.
Speaker 3: I think the bigger question is, you know, the status
Speaker 3: quo wesen any of working right, there's poverty, lack of opportunity,
Speaker 3: lack of a safe place for people to gather, just
Speaker 3: like we were talking about what we want to create.
Speaker 3: What I'm trying to do on like youth football fields
Speaker 3: and dire parks in uh, in the in the West
Speaker 3: End is to create places for kids to go play,
Speaker 3: places for people to gather, and we do need places
Speaker 3: for families together. The question is how can we accomplish that?
Speaker 3: You know, and you know I've hacked conversations with several
Speaker 3: private sector companies including you know, you know folks who
Speaker 3: invested have invested in the West End. How can they
Speaker 3: help out to create a place uh, you know for
Speaker 3: people to sit down and families to sit down and
Speaker 3: gether So I think the objective is right. I think
Speaker 3: clearly you know the execution and the way that it
Speaker 3: went went about, and the city has to figure out
Speaker 3: how we get fact up sixty six thousand dollars and
Speaker 3: uh and not let the history repeat itself.
Speaker 1: Well, what are you talking about like a playground or
Speaker 1: something a park?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: When you said just place for families to sit down
Speaker 1: and gather? Are you talking commercial what?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: So there's there are several parts. So if you think
Speaker 3: of the West End, there's a library. Now there's a
Speaker 3: rec center. There are plans for a romac like an
Speaker 3: art art center, community center, which is great. Uh separately, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean there there should be, And the question is
Speaker 3: how can you get there a place for people to
Speaker 3: sit down and have a burger and you know have
Speaker 3: to have a coach if you will. How you get
Speaker 3: there is the question. You know clearly, Uh you know
Speaker 3: this was not and is not the right plan.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, how can you incent private sector folks to
Speaker 3: help out those who've invested in the West End? I
Speaker 3: mean there's a couple of blocks from Sam Adams, a
Speaker 3: few blocks and sites Cincinnati. Uh, you know, so how
Speaker 3: can you leverage that to create a state where people
Speaker 3: can walk over and sit down and have a burger
Speaker 3: and relax with their family. And as a result, you know,
Speaker 3: families are hanging out in their neighborhoods and they're not
Speaker 3: going downtown, and kids are not going downtown. They're hanging out.
Speaker 3: And whether it's a skate park, a football field, the
Speaker 3: community center, some place where there's also state where they
Speaker 3: can also get mentored and they can have some opportunity
Speaker 3: to get out of the current situation. Because the current
Speaker 3: situation in the West End, it ain't working.
Speaker 1: But if you look at it though, you say, okay,
Speaker 1: we need a place to gather. If you go from
Speaker 1: Ezu Charles all the way up to Liberty which is
Speaker 1: several city blocks, and then between Land and where where
Speaker 1: Tiquol Stadium is, you have Laurel Playground, you got the
Speaker 1: Laurel Rec creer. You've got plenty of green space there.
Speaker 1: Don't we already have that?
Speaker 3: Oh green space?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean I do think I am working, as you
Speaker 3: know on a dedicated youth football field dire Park which
Speaker 3: is in the west end, right, so you do have
Speaker 3: some green spaces. You do have a rec center and
Speaker 3: you will we will soon have you know, like an
Speaker 3: art center for kids to come and sit down. You
Speaker 3: are and you know, I mean stay out of you know,
Speaker 3: have some productive use but having to play some families
Speaker 3: together and you know have a burger great. How we
Speaker 3: get there is the question, you know, and how can
Speaker 3: we have private sector folks and the right investor you know,
Speaker 3: stepped in and and you know and help make that
Speaker 3: that's possible. That's the question going forward.
Speaker 1: He is accountsmember, Mark Jeffreys and the Scontsland Show seven hundred. Wow,
Speaker 1: there's a sports bar of the West End that's never
Speaker 1: gonna get off the ground. City threw some money at it.
Speaker 1: It's like Mahogany's all over again, on a smaller scale,
Speaker 1: but still, I think if you're a taxpayer, you hear
Speaker 1: this and go, okay, let me let me get this straight.
Speaker 1: And here's what people are here. They're going, we've got
Speaker 1: this crime going on right now. You're going to have
Speaker 1: budget meetings and you're told the departments prepare what would
Speaker 1: it look like if you cut five point one percent,
Speaker 1: give yourself a five percent haircut across the top. Chief
Speaker 1: Adam Henny is going to present to you. Guys, you
Speaker 1: said it's not going to happen. We just this is
Speaker 1: part of the process here. As we ask the departments to
Speaker 1: do that. It doesn't really mean we're going to But
Speaker 1: people hear that and go wow, they're going to lose
Speaker 1: eleven million dollars at a time where violence is on
Speaker 1: the way up, crime is on the way up, and
Speaker 1: not all over the place, but in many areas, especially
Speaker 1: the high profile ones. A top of that, we just
Speaker 1: ate eight million dollars riverbend two point zero. And of
Speaker 1: course we know the symphony has tons of cash. But
Speaker 1: we're going to give them money anyway. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: we're going to give business to someone who is in default,
Speaker 1: already already been locked out. We're giving him money for
Speaker 1: a place that's shuttered because he didn't pay his rent.
Speaker 1: We didn't bother the check that before we wrote the check.
Speaker 1: How do you think that's playing with your average voter
Speaker 1: or your average citizen in Cincinnati, Mark, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, look, first of all, the reason that there's a
Speaker 3: reason why I voted against the eight million for the
Speaker 3: Music Center is because I don't think that we should
Speaker 3: be investing and things like that. And eight million is
Speaker 3: a lot when you have a budget deficit of thirty million.
Speaker 3: And I think rightfully to the other reason why I'm
Speaker 3: also non in favor of an increase in the earning tect.
Speaker 3: We have to live within our meets, and I've been
Speaker 3: the one outspoken voice on that, and you know, I mean, look,
Speaker 3: I think we need to make sure that we are
Speaker 3: smart about our investments. I do think the objective is
Speaker 3: right in the West End, which is, how can we
Speaker 3: make sure that folks do have safe spaces to go
Speaker 3: when you have two kids who are shot at playgrounds.
Speaker 3: You know, if I'm a pair in the West End,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I don't really want my kid to
Speaker 3: hang out on a playground, which is why we're pushing
Speaker 3: four things like cameras, things like lights, lighting, and playgrounds,
Speaker 3: you know, and so the objective of yet having a
Speaker 3: place for people together. I think how we get there
Speaker 3: is the question. And how can we have private sector
Speaker 3: come in and help out to create a place for
Speaker 3: people to have a burger and a beer and a coke,
Speaker 3: you know, with their family enough, you know, on an evening.
Speaker 1: All right, All well, I'm good because I like nice
Speaker 1: spices to go. But you know, I look at what's
Speaker 1: happening in Cincinnat. We have shootings at playgrounds for crying
Speaker 1: out a lot. I mentioned Laurel Playground and the rec center,
Speaker 1: their Queen's gates fairly close to they at a rec center,
Speaker 1: A lot of green space in that area in the
Speaker 1: West End. And yet okay, we'll play a place where
Speaker 1: see people can sit down, have a burger to coke.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm down, But what makes us think that
Speaker 1: the violence isn't just gonna end up there? I mean,
Speaker 1: we had a shitting at we had a shooting on
Speaker 1: Fountain Square at City Bird, people firing through the glass
Speaker 1: at each other right there on Fountain Square. They're gonna
Speaker 1: do that on Fountain Square, and they're gonna do that
Speaker 1: in the West End.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, look, I mean this is a bigger problem
Speaker 3: if you well know Scott, right. I mean, when somebody
Speaker 3: shoots someone and a police officer of the incident you
Speaker 3: mentioned in Fountain Square was literally twenty feet away. We
Speaker 3: need officers. We need more officers than we will recruit more,
Speaker 3: but we can't. And police will be the first person
Speaker 3: say that police our way out of it. Because when
Speaker 3: somebody shoots somebody twenty feet away, it's a tigger. So
Speaker 3: we have to create and it starts with kids. But
Speaker 3: to create opportunities, job opportunities, you know, making sure that
Speaker 3: folks are getting, you know, into the trades. You know,
Speaker 3: we're building things like the Brenstone Fridge Western Hills Viaduct,
Speaker 3: and we get people trained as iron workers and laborers
Speaker 3: and plumbers. And that is the only way you know,
Speaker 3: to give people opportunity and uh, you know, and get
Speaker 3: out of the poverty that we see in the West
Speaker 3: End through education and job opportunities and showing kids that
Speaker 3: you know, people adults can be responsible. You know, I
Speaker 3: want kids in the West End seeing people, you know, uh,
Speaker 3: go to the bus stop with the bus driver or
Speaker 3: the security guard and they're responsible. They're getting on the
Speaker 3: bus and they're coming home in the afternoon and they're
Speaker 3: taking care of the family. That's the kind of that's
Speaker 3: the only way out. We're not going to be able
Speaker 3: to police our way out of it, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And but we also do need police. We need both, yes,
Speaker 3: and so that's the only folution to go forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the earnings tack and earning sacks and
Speaker 1: this is part of it. And saying hey, we cut
Speaker 1: five percent, we do the earnings tax, but again giving
Speaker 1: money to riverbend, money to people already in default. Uh
Speaker 1: that that really if you that's really going to hurt
Speaker 1: that vote is for NERD. I'm not debating whether or
Speaker 1: not to raise the earnings tax, but boy, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a hard He'll de climb for you guys based
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a reason why. I mean I
Speaker 3: said this before the last campaign, and I haven't changed
Speaker 3: my position. You know, you eat your carrots before you
Speaker 3: eat your dessert. There are plenty of efficiencies and things,
Speaker 3: and I am laying them out in my budget parity motion.
Speaker 3: I've got a lot of efficiencies and opportunities. You start
Speaker 3: there before you ask, you know. I mean, it's the
Speaker 3: same thing with kids. You know, you don't give them
Speaker 3: a stake increase in their allowance if they're not doing
Speaker 3: their tour correct.
Speaker 1: So you got That's where I want the City Cincinnati
Speaker 1: to be my parents. You seem kind of like generous
Speaker 1: about that, kind of lax about that, if you will.
Speaker 3: I'm not lax about it, my friend.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm talking about in general. It's like it's like,
Speaker 1: I know, you guys are like the cool parents. You're
Speaker 1: buying my weed for me. I know you're fighting against
Speaker 1: this mark. That's why you on the show, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate that because five percent is not going to happen
Speaker 1: with the police department. But also just be more responsible
Speaker 1: and running it like a business in some reguards instead
Speaker 1: of just handing money out Willy Nilly probably would go
Speaker 1: a long way. I know that you're in the heat
Speaker 1: of budget meetings right now. Chief Heny's going to testify
Speaker 1: and give his proposal, and I'll take your word for
Speaker 1: it that the city will now touch a dime of
Speaker 1: police money because we really can't afford it, and I
Speaker 1: think they'd be the dumbest thing to do. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's a couple of members of council that will
Speaker 1: vote for it. But again, it sounds like a winner
Speaker 1: to me. Mark Jeffers, appreciate the time as always, Buddy,
Speaker 1: appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Thank ye.
Speaker 1: You got money for River Bend. You're wanting eleven million
Speaker 1: dollar haircut for the police. Crime and violent crime at
Speaker 1: that is starting to pick up quite a bit from
Speaker 1: the cold summer, because the cold winter months before we're
Speaker 1: heading the summer here. And on top of that, you're going, well,
Speaker 1: maybe an earnings tax for the people that work still
Speaker 1: work down town. Okay, great, we got money. We need
Speaker 1: more money coming in because they're thirty million dollars upside down.
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, we're gonna hand out money to Riverbend. We're
Speaker 1: gonna hand up money to a bar who has absolutely
Speaker 1: wouldn't pass like the first test if you went to
Speaker 1: a bank and asked for that kind of money. You know,
Speaker 1: I get the city is there to and some cash
Speaker 1: ou to help people out by I get it, But
Speaker 1: you have to show that you'll be a good steward
Speaker 1: of that money, and clearly we forget that lesson went
Speaker 1: it's public dollars. Scott's loan show seven hundred W. All right,
Speaker 1: here we go back at it Monday morning. Grind is
Speaker 1: on here on seven hundred W. LW helps with the
Speaker 1: Reds performed very well this weekend. Jeff Card eleven thirty
Speaker 1: five on that with lockdown Reds taking two or three
Speaker 1: from the Socks to open up the year. Rhet Lauder
Speaker 1: looked pretty damn good yesterday. Au Haenio Suarez hitting that
Speaker 1: three run homer and the Reds get it done, especially
Speaker 1: after the Dane Meyers walk off single on Saturday. So
Speaker 1: we're looking good as Pittsburgh comes to down five forty
Speaker 1: inside pitch preempted and added rock just a little bit,
Speaker 1: and you'll hear here on the Home of the Red
Speaker 1: seven hundred W. It fired up for some nice baseball weather.
Speaker 1: It looks like today is going to cooperate. I think
Speaker 1: I think we got a day game on Wednesday, so
Speaker 1: we shall see weather wise, But it looks like you're
Speaker 1: not of like the rain's gonna hold off to the afternoon.
Speaker 1: So if you're going to do that first business Person's special.
Speaker 1: We might be okay, we might be okay. So I
Speaker 1: just had to Mark jeffries On council member talking about
Speaker 1: mahoganies all over again. If you go back a decade
Speaker 1: in a decade is a universal way, let's face it,
Speaker 1: especially the way things move today. Used to be Hey,
Speaker 1: you know a couple of weeks ago, and now we
Speaker 1: kind of live for today and be damned tomorrow because
Speaker 1: we just want to get through today. It's just how
Speaker 1: it is. But history is a great indicator future behavior.
Speaker 1: I just understand if you're squeezed by thirty million dollars
Speaker 1: while you're handing money out to individuals who clearly aren't
Speaker 1: responsible enough or a good bet to pay it back.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like a pretty low bar to cross.
Speaker 1: Say hey, are you solvent? Do you have some assets?
Speaker 1: Are you are you making your mortgage payments? Didn't do
Speaker 1: that in the case of this West End bar And
Speaker 1: it's this all over again. But it's taxpayer money. It
Speaker 1: runs on a motion and not fact. And there you go.
Speaker 1: Because if you're you know, if you say, look, you've
Speaker 1: got to show me your assets, show me your liabilities.
Speaker 1: Show me a business plan, come up with a white paper,
Speaker 1: give me something here, give me a track record of success,
Speaker 1: show me something. And if you can't do that, then
Speaker 1: you're not on top of the money. And let's not
Speaker 1: confuse fact with emotion. And I would say race is
Speaker 1: an emotion in this one, that somehow this individual was
Speaker 1: owed a bar because of what happened when hell, back
Speaker 1: in the fifties, when we started blowing up road towns
Speaker 1: to some degree, like downtown Cincinnati, to put ice seventy
Speaker 1: five through it, which of course just reak tavoc on
Speaker 1: the black community. And there's no question about it. However,
Speaker 1: I would say that how does that entitle someone who
Speaker 1: shouldn't be given essentially money, that that loan to having
Speaker 1: a loan real it is more of a grant because
Speaker 1: he can't pay it back. I mean, that's just like
Speaker 1: that's like, say, well, the defense's racism is what it is.
Speaker 1: How dare you question this because it's racism. No, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's it's being a good steward of tax payer dollars,
Speaker 1: especially when you're asking workers in Cincinnati to consider an
Speaker 1: increase in their taxes. You know, we're talking about an
Speaker 1: earnings tax coming up here, How are we going to
Speaker 1: write the ship? How are we going to pay for
Speaker 1: all this? We're asking departments to cut five percent, including police. Now,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey said that wouldn't happen, But again that's one voice
Speaker 1: of many uncountable. See, I'm willing to believe he's right
Speaker 1: on that one, that there's not the specially the optics
Speaker 1: of that are terrible considering the high profile crimes opening day,
Speaker 1: notwithstanding that have been going on in the winter and
Speaker 1: now the summer's about here in Holy Cow. Hopefully that's
Speaker 1: not an indicator what's going to happen. But I suppose
Speaker 1: if you're downtown, you work downtown, you live downtown, you're
Speaker 1: like me, you like going downtown. I enjoy being downtown.
Speaker 1: But is this going to have a chilling effect that
Speaker 1: already has. It doesn't look good when you're handing out
Speaker 1: money to riverbend, when you're asking for a earnings tax increase,
Speaker 1: when you're asking police to take a haircut to go
Speaker 1: I'm going to give this guy on secured loan. Basically,
Speaker 1: it's like, how hard is it you mean to tell
Speaker 1: me that? I guess the defense here as well, it's
Speaker 1: you know we have to lift up black folks. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm fine for helping people long, lift people up who
Speaker 1: have been compromised and marginalized. I get it, But are
Speaker 1: they a good risk? You mean to tell me that's
Speaker 1: insulting because you mean to tell me you can't find
Speaker 1: another minority interest that has a better business plan, that
Speaker 1: is more solvent, and someone has it more together than
Speaker 1: this guy, Like why that's racism itself? Like, well, this
Speaker 1: is the best representative. No it's not. There's plenty of
Speaker 1: minority entrepreneurs, black, female or otherwise that probably would be
Speaker 1: that most definitely would be. I should say a better investment,
Speaker 1: and I know one of them personally, and you're not
Speaker 1: hearing about it because it was a good investment. But
Speaker 1: we got to do better. You got to do better.
Speaker 1: The optics on this are terrible. Tell you what else
Speaker 1: is terrible? Back to sports here, Tiger Woods arrested Friday
Speaker 1: and Florida suspicion of dui. It wasn't alcohol because he
Speaker 1: blew a triple zero, which is good, but refuse a
Speaker 1: year in test which triggered the dv DUI charge over
Speaker 1: I charge driving a land Rover on Jupiter Island. He
Speaker 1: overtook a pressure cleaning truck at high speed, hit the
Speaker 1: trailer and rolled over the car. Second time he's rolled
Speaker 1: a car over. Of course, remember back before the Genesis
Speaker 1: open in twenty twenty one in La Or he rolled
Speaker 1: that vehicle. So his second DUI arrest and third notable
Speaker 1: car incident since two thousand and nine, So he has
Speaker 1: quite a few of these things. I've been driving for
Speaker 1: a long time. I love it answer to this question,
Speaker 1: how do you roll a car over? I mean, he's
Speaker 1: pretty good at flipping cars. I've ever long time, never
Speaker 1: got to the point where and maybe driving a little
Speaker 1: fat enjoy to drive fast.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's because it's an SUV that they're
Speaker 1: more prone to roll over? But man, my god, he's
Speaker 1: on a residential street. It looks like it's just like
Speaker 1: a regular twenty five mile in our neighborhood. And so
Speaker 1: he decides he's going to fly around a cleaning vehicle,
Speaker 1: hits the trailer, and it causes the car to roll over.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's incredible, it really really is. Which is
Speaker 1: more of the olm my god this again. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you had to guess Tiger Woods is dealing with
Speaker 1: chronic pain from the rollover accident he had last time,
Speaker 1: and he's had what seven back surgeries, countless other surgeries
Speaker 1: because of the violent way he hits a golf ball
Speaker 1: or had hit a golf ball. He had that most
Speaker 1: recent one where he rolled over the genesis a duy
Speaker 1: where his legs are so badly injured. They were talking,
Speaker 1: Remember they're talking amputation. He might lose a leg or
Speaker 1: legs as the case may be. Now, Fortunately he got
Speaker 1: back to golf, never going to be his former self.
Speaker 1: It's just too damn hard, you know, having some surgeries
Speaker 1: like that, certainly not the level Tigers had, but hell
Speaker 1: foot surgery, backfusion, shoulder, Yeah, you just to try and
Speaker 1: get back what you had is damn near impossible. I
Speaker 1: will say it is impossible because you get older and
Speaker 1: then add ads and there's rehab and your just bodies
Speaker 1: just not the same anymore. And so I'm guessing, you know,
Speaker 1: he's dealing with chronic pain from his whole career for
Speaker 1: what he did for a living for so many years.
Speaker 1: And this is a guy who's in desperate need, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, of some rehab. But you wonder if he's
Speaker 1: gonna wind up getting that. I mean, you think of
Speaker 1: athletes like hul Cogan comes to mind. His body was
Speaker 1: so screwed up from wrestling that he was popping pain
Speaker 1: meds like there were altoids from back in the day,
Speaker 1: just to just to be able to survive, just be
Speaker 1: able to move. And so guys like this, high level
Speaker 1: athletes like that, push themselves over and over and over
Speaker 1: again to win. And what happens is eventually, like all
Speaker 1: of us, your body betrays you. You think at this
Speaker 1: point he's got to be considering retirement. It's like I
Speaker 1: got to get out of the spotlight for a while.
Speaker 1: He has TGL going, which is great. He's got a
Speaker 1: lot of business interest he's trying to is obviously not
Speaker 1: going to beat the Masters this year, and that's that's
Speaker 1: all part of who Tiger was is I get it.
Speaker 1: I get the There may be some depression elements in there,
Speaker 1: and he may be dependent on medication. It certainly looks
Speaker 1: that way after the third OVI. But the other element is,
Speaker 1: here's a guy who's rich enough to be able to
Speaker 1: have a full time driver with his z own You
Speaker 1: can afford your own driver, you can you presumably have
Speaker 1: security and other things. Why not have a driver. And
Speaker 1: for someone who has as much money as Tiger Woods,
Speaker 1: that's pretty easy. I would say that if you look
Speaker 1: at well, for example, athletes like Bengals players for example,
Speaker 1: you know you're speed up and down the street and
Speaker 1: causing you know, you essentially are an outlaw because you're
Speaker 1: busted for speeding and having street races and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: We've also seen others like pac Man get in trouble.
Speaker 1: Why why are you driving yourself? You've got money, you
Speaker 1: could be able to afford a driver, Lacky somebody like that.
Speaker 1: And I bring this up because I go, what are
Speaker 1: the odds that Tiger Woods has more ov eyes than
Speaker 1: John Daily? I mean to look at John Daily. That
Speaker 1: guy's an unmitigated disaster when he was Tiger's age. He's
Speaker 1: a little bit older now, but nonetheless John Daily, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's ever really had those kind of problems
Speaker 1: like Tiger Woods has. And that's a guy who was
Speaker 1: drinking on the golf court. He pie's firing a beer
Speaker 1: shotgun and a beer between holes, firing down snickers, dyed
Speaker 1: cokes and smokes. I thought, well, John Daily, there's a
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna get never as far as I know,
Speaker 1: i'd have to go look that up. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's ever been popped before, certainly now to the high
Speaker 1: profile rollover like that. But here's Tiger Woods, who's pretty
Speaker 1: straight laced. He's a work ethic is second to none.
Speaker 1: He gets early, he gets there early, stays late. The goat,
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods is still the goat. You hate to see
Speaker 1: that legacy diminished because of things like this, and it
Speaker 1: looks like that's happening. But one may ask you, like,
Speaker 1: why don't you just get a lack. You're a driver,
Speaker 1: something along those lines to take you from point A
Speaker 1: to point B. I guess there's a certain thrill of
Speaker 1: driving the car he's got, always like a range Rover SUV.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's Tiger Woods can to afford any car
Speaker 1: he wants, into the Sun Vintage or otherwise he should
Speaker 1: be set. I think there's probably some fun to driving
Speaker 1: your own car, driving yourself roll them up in a
Speaker 1: nice rig like that. But damn, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, if you are if you're abusing painkillers or
Speaker 1: using painkillers, says right in the bottle opiates, don't don't
Speaker 1: use this in drive. Okay, it says right there, there's
Speaker 1: there's a certain liability on Tiger's part. But you just
Speaker 1: watch a icon like Tiger Woods on wine and he
Speaker 1: was getting it back too, because you know the TGL thing,
Speaker 1: a bunch of other things kind of forgot about what
Speaker 1: happened in California a few years ago, and this comes
Speaker 1: back again. You just wonder if now more it happens
Speaker 1: it's a second high profile accident like this in a
Speaker 1: few years, that what happens to Tiger Woods the brand
Speaker 1: at this point, it does tarnish that whole thing, and
Speaker 1: he's got to worry about his legacy and this is
Speaker 1: starting to overshadow that legacy. I didn't think he'd ever
Speaker 1: say that about Tiger Woods, who dominated the sports for
Speaker 1: so many years. But good lore, Ben, get yourself in
Speaker 1: a program, get some help. We'll talk more on this
Speaker 1: at ten thirty five. Julie hattershares our licensed mental health expert,
Speaker 1: mental health money in the Scott's Loan Show. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: story and then that this is a depressing story. The
Speaker 1: uplifting story is a guy like Gary Woodland, who just
Speaker 1: won the Huge this Weekend one in Houston, as a
Speaker 1: guy who had brain surgery what three years ago and
Speaker 1: had serious PTSD. He's able to overcome all that and
Speaker 1: win a tournament this weekend. Pretty big, Pretty big. I'll
Speaker 1: get a time out in and more to follow. News
Speaker 1: on the way in about ten. Laura Kartch is here.
Speaker 1: She's a Middle Eastern expert. We'll talk about Iran with
Speaker 1: the latest is we've got ten thousand more troops there,
Speaker 1: so about fifty thousand not what the people want. How
Speaker 1: much longer are we going to do this? Because the
Speaker 1: economy is starting to shake and shimmy a little bit,
Speaker 1: and of course we don't know where the endgame is
Speaker 1: and this one maybe she does. We'll talk about that,
Speaker 1: what the next steps are for this week. Just to
Speaker 1: add Scott's loan show seven hundred w WELW. News come
Speaker 1: up in about four minutes here seven hundred w WELW.
Speaker 1: We'll get into I ran the very latest. It's affecting markets.
Speaker 1: The oil surge is real. We're getting four dollars a
Speaker 1: gallon gasoline right now, and that's what it is here
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, about four bucks a gallon. Good luck you
Speaker 1: get a little cheaper. How much more pain are we
Speaker 1: going to suffer? At the pump, and this all plays
Speaker 1: what's happening in the Strait of Hormuz and Iran and
Speaker 1: whether that we can wrap this thing up and sit down.
Speaker 1: Have some negotiations in Pakistan with the Iranians, but they
Speaker 1: say that's not happening. Trump says it is. The Pakistani
Speaker 1: say it is. So we'll see what occurs. But Laura
Speaker 1: Kirsch is on at ten oh seven on this and
Speaker 1: the very latest. As we get more troops involved, which
Speaker 1: is nothing, I think very very few people want that
Speaker 1: to be. Go one honest with you, that seems like
Speaker 1: a breaking point. We'll find out. Conservatives have Kid Rock
Speaker 1: and John Void, Liberals have Bruce Springsteen and Jane Fonda.
Speaker 1: You're guaranteed, and if it's a big rally, if something
Speaker 1: BIG's going on that is all about the brand, and
Speaker 1: that's what it is, a brand, then you're going to
Speaker 1: have either of those two showing up. So they did
Speaker 1: another No King's Rally. Because the first ones are so
Speaker 1: successful in getting stuff to change the way they want
Speaker 1: them to change, why not do it again. So sure
Speaker 1: they did, and tens of thousands of people showed up
Speaker 1: all over, including here in Cincinnati. I'm not quite sure
Speaker 1: what it gets you. I think it's a bunch of
Speaker 1: just degrieved people from with different grievances. But that's what
Speaker 1: we see. Protests have evolved today in a one cause
Speaker 1: it's many. Everyone who's got a gripe and an acts
Speaker 1: to grind is going to be out there with a sign.
Speaker 1: And in Minnesota this weekend they had about two hundred
Speaker 1: thousand people at estimate, who were protesting against this administration
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. They're protesting against all all the
Speaker 1: things everything. Some ess I'm gonna say one hundred and so,
Speaker 1: others ay two regardless, is a pretty big crowd. But
Speaker 1: the headliners were Jane Fonda and Bruce Springsteen. And I'm
Speaker 1: shocked to learn that Bruce Springsteen does not like Republicans.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely shocked. How hard does it get Bruce Springsteen
Speaker 1: to come out for something like this? Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: Green Day probably another but and maybe that I was
Speaker 1: politically active, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: For me, I know some people like I would never
Speaker 1: listen boycott broke, okay, boycott all you want. Like if
Speaker 1: Springsteen was coming Cincinnati, I'd buy a ticket. I just
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd espoused I was sung once before here,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't too political about it. I can't remember
Speaker 1: who's in office at the time, but I do not
Speaker 1: want to pay a ticket and then hear thirty minutes
Speaker 1: of the bitch about you know things that you think
Speaker 1: you can change, that you're smarter than the rest of us,
Speaker 1: just shut up and play the heads. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: whether it's that or I don't know. I like Kid
Speaker 1: Rocks music too, for that mattered as well. I have
Speaker 1: a couple of his albums downloaded. Phenomenal writer, but same thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, i'd go see Kid Rock. I'd see him.
Speaker 1: I don't really care where your politics are, just hoping
Speaker 1: you don't mention too much about it. We'll all get
Speaker 1: along nice. I mean, I guess if Jane Fonder John
Speaker 1: Voyd made a movie worth watching, i'd probably watch that
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like to be entertained. Are you not entertained? I
Speaker 1: don't know if i'd show up at a No King's
Speaker 1: rally to hear him though, that's a whole different thing.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be all politically that wite, No thanks. I
Speaker 1: can consume the product but disagree with the politics. I'm
Speaker 1: cool like that. We'll do news and more to follow here.
Speaker 1: It's the Scott's Loan Show, Monday Morning, Back at It,
Speaker 1: seven hundred WWT, Cincinnati, an American all right, Monday Morning,
Speaker 1: Back at It flowby seven hundred ww So. A month
Speaker 1: into the war with Iran, we've got oil over one
Speaker 1: hundred bucks a barrel. US troops are taking fire in
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, We're putting more on the ground. Secretary of
Speaker 1: Rubias as nobody in Washington you're sure is even in
Speaker 1: charge in Tehran, and we've got a Middle East policy experts,
Speaker 1: tell us what's really happening, what the play is here.
Speaker 1: Laura Karts is a Fox News contributor, among other things,
Speaker 1: joining the show this morning. Laura, are you.
Speaker 5: I'm well, thank you? How are you well? Much for
Speaker 5: having Yeah?
Speaker 1: Of course, so Marco Rubio told our allies at G seven,
Speaker 1: there's genuine and certainly about who's actually making decisions in
Speaker 1: Tehran right now. As someone who studies this, what's that
Speaker 1: tell you about the state of their government.
Speaker 5: At this point? I do believe that there might be
Speaker 5: a scramble right now, you know, given the old Ayatola Alijmeni,
Speaker 5: who's dead.
Speaker 2: His successor.
Speaker 5: His son is I'm so sorry. His name Mukshaba Hamani.
Speaker 5: He's actually reportedly recovering from an air strike right now
Speaker 5: in a hospital, but it's been a while now that
Speaker 5: he's been out of the media and it's raising doubts
Speaker 5: on whether or not he's dead or alive. You know,
Speaker 5: the situation on the ground as well is not that great.
Speaker 5: The power is still down in the capital, there's more
Speaker 5: strikes coming in from Israel, and Iran is responding. Of course,
Speaker 5: the internal instability will persist, but there's nothing televised as
Speaker 5: of late. There's reports saying more than forty percent of
Speaker 5: Ruran's population is also now living below the poverty line.
Speaker 5: So there's a whole risk of new protests as well
Speaker 5: amidst everything that's been going on.
Speaker 1: That's the concern, right des there protest because of their
Speaker 1: standard of living, because of the pain and agony, and
Speaker 1: right now it's directed towards the regime. But again, if
Speaker 1: we're not careful, we've seen this before, Laura, how long
Speaker 1: before it flips and it's our fault as opposed to
Speaker 1: the oppressing government that.
Speaker 2: They have.
Speaker 5: Right exactly, and that's what the Trumpet administration is trying
Speaker 5: to do because they're not really trying to send in
Speaker 5: the three thousand troops that have been promised, right, they're
Speaker 5: trying to do this as swiftly as possible. And you know,
Speaker 5: as a Secretary of State, Marko Reveal also just mentioned
Speaker 5: that this sport's going to take another two to four weeks,
Speaker 5: so without a real timeline, I think everyone's just waiting
Speaker 5: to see whether or not we invade or whether or
Speaker 5: not we do take over the nearby island, Hog Island,
Speaker 5: which also holds ninety percent of Iran's oil exports.
Speaker 1: Wow, so Iranian officials they it seems like they want
Speaker 1: to negotiate. One of the things that came out last
Speaker 1: week was that Trump is negotiating with themselves, saying they're
Speaker 1: not talking to us, but clearly Pakistan is involved in this,
Speaker 1: and saying the two guys are maybe close to meeting
Speaker 1: at some point, are coming up with a plan at least,
Speaker 1: and talks we're getting. Talks are awesome. So kind of
Speaker 1: would think that the US is not doing the spy,
Speaker 1: We're not doing this on our own. But Iranian officials
Speaker 1: who wanted a negotiation I reportedly after their phones to
Speaker 1: avoid being assassinated. How do you conduct the plumbacy in
Speaker 1: that kind of environment.
Speaker 5: Well, that's the confusing part. You know, we as you said,
Speaker 5: we're one month in and there have been NonStop strikes
Speaker 5: back and forth. But all the while, you know, Trump
Speaker 5: is saying that Iran is actually desperate to make a deal,
Speaker 5: but their recent refusal of a US fifteen point plan
Speaker 5: is showing us otherwise. Now you know what happened in Pakistan.
Speaker 5: Pakistan also hosted the foreign ministers of Saudi Arabia, Turkey,
Speaker 5: and Egypt for in depth regional security talks. I believe
Speaker 5: they have their second meeting this past weekend and their
Speaker 5: meeting again today. So I do believe that we're what
Speaker 5: we're looking at is an expanding war, you know, to
Speaker 5: the much to the chagrin of the Trump administration, who
Speaker 5: wants to be out by the next month or so.
Speaker 1: How much longer does this drag on? Rubio said, two
Speaker 1: to four weeks, so we'll be two months into this thing.
Speaker 1: I just presume, based on what you told me, Laura,
Speaker 1: it's going to be longer than that.
Speaker 5: I personally presume it might take up until, you know,
Speaker 5: the first month of summer. Let's say June July. But
Speaker 5: again I do hope Ruvio is right and it'll only
Speaker 5: take another four weeks, all right.
Speaker 1: So the conclusion then is what I mean, how does
Speaker 1: the regime save face. They're not going to simply turn
Speaker 1: their guns over and say, okay, you put a system.
Speaker 1: You can put a democratic system in here, which of
Speaker 1: course we've tried many times. It doesn't work. What does
Speaker 1: an agreement look like?
Speaker 5: An agreement? I would say, you know, it starts with
Speaker 5: the citizens of Iran. As you said, they might reach
Speaker 5: their own breaking breaking point. And I think at this
Speaker 5: point the main mission for the US is actually the
Speaker 5: oil and carve island and reopening the straight upr Moose
Speaker 5: because that's really put a choke hold on imports and
Speaker 5: exports around the world. As far as regime change, I
Speaker 5: don't believe that it's in the US's interest to go
Speaker 5: in and invade just for that. I think it is
Speaker 5: up to the citizens to choose their next leader, whether
Speaker 5: or not it's an Ayatola, that's yet to be determined.
Speaker 1: We have fifty thousand troops now on the well on
Speaker 1: the ground in the region there specifically. Now, if you
Speaker 1: hear that headline, oh my God, we sent fifty thousand troops.
Speaker 1: Now we have forty thousand there already on the bases
Speaker 1: that we have. It's an additional ten thousand there may
Speaker 1: me more that is not playing well at home, especially
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump's base, And the question would be how
Speaker 1: many more soldiers, sailors and airmen do you need in
Speaker 1: that region? And can can this thing be done without
Speaker 1: us having to go in and get the nukes out,
Speaker 1: which essentially means a ground invasion.
Speaker 5: Right exactly. And Trump also added that we have about
Speaker 5: thirty five hundred targets left, so he's assuming that it's
Speaker 5: going to be done pretty quickly. But then at the
Speaker 5: same time, our thirty first Marine Expeditionary Unit just arrived
Speaker 5: excuse me, in the Middle East, and this past weekend
Speaker 5: they also just used dozens of Tomahawk missiles. So it's
Speaker 5: looking like diploma see, along with some bombings. And I'm
Speaker 5: honestly not sure how long this is going.
Speaker 1: To take, Yeah, Rubio said Laura Kurchis to what two
Speaker 1: to four weeks to another month, but that may be
Speaker 1: accelerated because Trump said he has an April sixth deadline,
Speaker 1: so that'd be next week for a ran to make
Speaker 1: a deal their face strikes on power plants. Is that
Speaker 1: a credible ultimatum? Is it Trump saber rallying. Is he
Speaker 1: just simply spewing stuff with no backup, or is a
Speaker 1: negotiation tactic or all of that.
Speaker 5: It's actually very credible because they are starting to hit
Speaker 5: some of their energy infrastructure. But Iran is responding back
Speaker 5: because it also is hitting the golf country's water desalination sense,
Speaker 5: So the situation, can you get can ascolate pretty quick.
Speaker 5: You know, Israel is also hitting South Lebanon, So there's
Speaker 5: just a lot more expansions to this right now, and
Speaker 5: it's including you know, a lot more infrastructure. It's including
Speaker 5: the universities as well, I running University. Iranian is also
Speaker 5: bombing and saying, well, we're going to hit American universities
Speaker 5: also if you don't stop. So this can be a
Speaker 5: sit for tat and it can go up all the
Speaker 5: way to the summer, all the way up to the
Speaker 5: end of the year. But Iran, the.
Speaker 2: Main thing is that it's continuing.
Speaker 5: To respond in attacking its schools countries, which is not
Speaker 5: in America's interest as well, because half of them are allies.
Speaker 5: When it comes to targeting the water and energy infrastructure.
Speaker 5: Just this past weekend it was hitting to wait with
Speaker 5: their water and energy infrastructure. Saudi Arabia, the UAE, now
Speaker 5: Jordan is being pulled into the meetings. So it's the
Speaker 5: strikes are marking very major escalations. So I think at
Speaker 5: this point it's in Trump's interest to be escalate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at the map, and you've got all
Speaker 1: these countries around they're getting sucked in. Yemen, adjacent to
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia is now getting pulled in well to some
Speaker 1: degree anyway, because the who thies have entered the chat.
Speaker 1: How significant is that intil is that escalation exactly?
Speaker 5: So, yeah, the Yemeni hoopies actually attacked Israel this past weekend,
Speaker 5: so they're officially joining the war. They used ballistic missiles,
Speaker 5: and you know this was after repeated warnings that they
Speaker 5: would enter the war if the energy and infrastructure attacks
Speaker 5: don't stop. And so you know, if we're thinking about expansion,
Speaker 5: we also have to think about the Sicity rock. We're
Speaker 5: also influenced by Iran. We have Habela as well in Lebanon,
Speaker 5: and I think recently actually the new Iatola sent an
Speaker 5: appeal to the Iraq based Aatola, which you know, signals
Speaker 5: some very bad news for the US and Israels don't
Speaker 5: go their way.
Speaker 4: By April six.
Speaker 1: Down here Stateside, we have nearly three hundred American troops injured,
Speaker 1: two hundred twenty five with traumatic brain injureds tdis. We
Speaker 1: haven't fully absorbed those casualty numbers yet. Does that Does
Speaker 1: that change a calculus or this administration? And is that
Speaker 1: a slow ticking time bomb for at least from a
Speaker 1: political standpoint here in America.
Speaker 5: I think at this point, you know, Trump was advertising
Speaker 5: regime change, but I think things are a little more complicated,
Speaker 5: especially now the soldiers are being harmed. So again, the
Speaker 5: main mission has to be reopening the strait of her
Speaker 5: moves and you know, getting out of there as quickly
Speaker 5: as possible.
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio said that he wants the Allies Allied nations
Speaker 1: to police the straight of her moves after the war ends.
Speaker 1: Is that realistic as far as post war architecture goes,
Speaker 1: and who enforces that?
Speaker 5: Those are some great questions, and I believe at this
Speaker 5: point it's not very realistic given the way that Iran
Speaker 5: is acting and responding with the talk A couple of
Speaker 5: boats actually internationals have been bombed in the Strait since
Speaker 5: February twenty eighth, and you know, I like the way
Speaker 5: that Trump is being positive and saying we're going to
Speaker 5: get a deal soon, but it's not looking like that
Speaker 5: in reality, and especially with their responses of bombing. You know,
Speaker 5: even ships from the Netherlands, from Greece, from Japan very
Speaker 5: random and the only real ships that can pass at
Speaker 5: this moment are commercial ships and that's not without tools.
Speaker 5: So I'm not sure if it's very realistic to go
Speaker 5: in to an island that is mixed to the Strait
Speaker 5: and say, you know, we control it without causing something bigger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And you know, you look at that choke point,
Speaker 1: the straight of her moves outside the Persian Gulf, and
Speaker 1: you see how it's easy it is. You know, school
Speaker 1: kid could tell you how easy it is for Iran
Speaker 1: to attack anything going through there. And now they have
Speaker 1: been for a while talking about maybe tolls. That's another
Speaker 1: layer to this thing. Is it about money from Iran?
Speaker 1: I can't think that that. I'm like, okay, so you
Speaker 1: want to open it by toll lane here that they
Speaker 1: have to pay a price to Iran. I'm not quite
Speaker 1: sure how that boils up to being something that's negotiable
Speaker 1: even it's like it's okay if I guess if you
Speaker 1: want to do that, you can. I'm not sure that works.
Speaker 1: But that certainly is not one of the big things
Speaker 1: about this war, is it.
Speaker 5: No, I don't think it's more about the money than
Speaker 5: it is about the control of in the region. You know,
Speaker 5: as I said, they have they have administered in an
Speaker 5: official tools for the ships that were stuck there and
Speaker 5: passing through. But I think it's more or so to
Speaker 5: control the actions of the United States in the region,
Speaker 5: which is why Trump is probably fighting back and resisting.
Speaker 5: But you know, Iran knows that it has this choke
Speaker 5: hold on the oil market right now, and I think
Speaker 5: that's the only piece of leverage that it has in
Speaker 5: this war, especially with its you know, dead original Ayatola
Speaker 5: and the sun nowhere to be found.
Speaker 1: Clark Kars. Israel is bombing the hell out of Lebedon
Speaker 1: as we speak, in response to Hesbol and their rocket attacks,
Speaker 1: and they have no stranger to these kind of things.
Speaker 1: But how do you manage two simultaneous fronts without destabilizing
Speaker 1: the other? I mean, go back to other war World
Speaker 1: War two would be a great example. You can't fight
Speaker 1: a war in two fronts.
Speaker 5: I I agree, I have to agree with that. It's unfortunate,
Speaker 5: and I do believe, you know, hitting is bela targets
Speaker 5: is always good, but it is expanding into a wider
Speaker 5: war at this point, and I don't think that we,
Speaker 5: as you know, even a world can deal with so
Speaker 5: much conflict that once you know, it has expanded to
Speaker 5: hitting universities, those institutions. You know, now we have a
Speaker 5: bunch of American universities in that region as well that
Speaker 5: are being threatened. So I think at this point the
Speaker 5: escalation would be our best bet, you know, Asbola are not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems close too, because you have so many allies,
Speaker 1: so many Arab countries that have taken our side anyway. Now,
Speaker 1: granted there's countries like Yemen and others that have sided
Speaker 1: with with Iran, but by and large, most of those
Speaker 1: countries and regions getting hit. You know, you talk about
Speaker 1: the UAE and others that are suffering the effects of
Speaker 1: this thing. It feels like we have a coalition. It
Speaker 1: just at this point doesn't feel like the needle's moving
Speaker 1: on it. Is that an accurate assessment.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, very accurate, and that includes that includes Kwait,
Speaker 5: Saudi Arabia, uae, Qatar, Bahraine. You know, it's it's a
Speaker 5: bunch of the Goals Cooperation Council countries that have you know,
Speaker 5: they're being targeted in their energy infrastructure, their military sites.
Speaker 5: We have you know, American servicemen out there that are
Speaker 5: being threatened at this point, and not only.
Speaker 1: That, Iran is running an information war against US. I
Speaker 1: often talk about the digital war going on. That's you know,
Speaker 1: granted it's it's not going to kill people.
Speaker 2: It might.
Speaker 1: I mean there's that plant in Nebraska that got shut down.
Speaker 1: The Iranians clim that wound up killing a man and
Speaker 1: his two children are who happen to be at this
Speaker 1: bio mass plant. Uh So we do have a casualty
Speaker 1: in that. But that is the issue most people don't
Speaker 1: consider and talk about. It is the digital attacks, and
Speaker 1: that would be the campaign that Iran is running a
Speaker 1: relative to an information war. How effective is that and
Speaker 1: this whole thing do you think.
Speaker 5: At this point it's I do believe that it might
Speaker 5: have potential, but I'm not hearing about any more hacks
Speaker 5: or things like that into the US. Infrastructure more than
Speaker 5: I heard about the possibility of super cells, you know,
Speaker 5: as you know, the FBI did warn about that in
Speaker 5: California on DC and you know Los Angeles and other
Speaker 5: major cities. So I think that would be something to
Speaker 5: look at, and of course, you know, be on guard
Speaker 5: for any hacking or digital or you know energy infrastructure
Speaker 5: of our own that can be targeted.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the scary party. We've talked about this
Speaker 1: for a while is like a digital nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: to coin a phrase, It feels like from the experts
Speaker 1: I talked to, that day is coming. We just saw
Speaker 1: what happened with Striker Medical and that story of courses
Speaker 1: now in the rearview mirror because you go out doesn't
Speaker 1: really affect me most people, but something at that scale
Speaker 1: where it would get our attention, would absolutely bring us
Speaker 1: to our knees. And it's probably a lot easier to
Speaker 1: do than with bombs and missiles.
Speaker 3: Right exactly.
Speaker 5: And that is what Iran has essentially been tweeting about
Speaker 5: on X they're saying, you know, they have some surprise
Speaker 5: weapon that they were about to unleash. But they have
Speaker 5: been saying that for a couple of weeks now, so
Speaker 5: I'm not sure that it's very incredible.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So bottom line here, larak Arch is we're talking at
Speaker 1: least a month, maybe first, I don't know, first part
Speaker 1: of summer here, maybe in the June before this thing ends.
Speaker 1: But again, your gas is as good as anybody's, right exactly.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm hoping Rubio is right and we don't
Speaker 5: go past the four weeks mark.
Speaker 1: Well, again, you wonder how much economic strain too, because
Speaker 1: it's bringing the markets down. Gas is very expensive. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's an affordability thing. And this may be short term
Speaker 1: and short lived for sure, but you think you'd have
Speaker 1: to wrap this up midterms come into play as well,
Speaker 1: and I don't think anyone wants to stomach any boots
Speaker 1: on the ground. So hopefully, fingers crossed Rubio's right. At
Speaker 1: the very least, we'll get this thing done sometime in May.
Speaker 1: Lark Karch is a fox whose contributor and it depended
Speaker 1: Middle East researcher Laura. Thanks for the inside, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me me will Ah.
Speaker 1: You think you have problems, you ain't got tiger woods problems.
Speaker 1: What is going on with tiger woods whiskey Tango foxtrot.
Speaker 1: Julie Hattershare, our mental health expert, is on the show
Speaker 1: Mental Health Monday and Scottsland Show seven hundred WW. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about that coming up next.
Speaker 7: Hang on, everyone needs help every now and then, and
Speaker 7: she's here to help us get our heads right. This
Speaker 7: is Mental Health Monday with Mental health expert Julie Hattershire.
Speaker 1: All right, So Tiger Woods is in a mugshot again
Speaker 1: and millions of fans are asked him the same question,
Speaker 1: Is this guy okay? What is going on between his
Speaker 1: ears is as much physical as the physical plane is
Speaker 1: an addiction issue. What is going on? Plus? And I
Speaker 1: think he's seeing segue together? Great Gary Woodland who? Gary
Speaker 1: Woodland is a professional golfer, had brain surgery in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. He has recently gone public about some severe
Speaker 1: PTSD die noses that he had and since then, Seal
Speaker 1: feels like a thousand pounds has been lifted off his back.
Speaker 1: And to prove that point, yesterday he won the Houston Open.
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about what's going on the
Speaker 1: head of athletes, but it also applies to a crisis
Speaker 1: in sports in general. Showing up in young athletes as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, and your kids. Julie hattersh here
Speaker 1: is our licensed mental health therapist and it's Mental Health
Speaker 1: Monday on the Scott's Loan Show. She's a be connected
Speaker 1: in Clifton. Julie, welcome. How's life?
Speaker 8: Heay, life is great, weather's good, sun's out warming up.
Speaker 8: Spring seems to finally be here to stay.
Speaker 1: The sun's out. But are your guns out? That's the question.
Speaker 4: I'll never tell.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's start with Tiger Woods. I was talking about
Speaker 1: this last hour. Arrested Friday after car crash, second time
Speaker 1: he's rolled his car in a few years. Zero is
Speaker 1: on the breathalyzer, but refused to your analysis. Still charged
Speaker 1: with DUI. They said, clearly he was under the influence
Speaker 1: of something.
Speaker 2: We know.
Speaker 1: He has had chronic surgeries, at least seven back surgeris
Speaker 1: and many, many, many more, and it's a cycle for him.
Speaker 1: There's hope, there's comeback, there's collapse, there's hope, there's comeback,
Speaker 1: there's more collapse. And of course he had that personal
Speaker 1: scandal in two thousand and nine, seemingly can't out his
Speaker 1: own way. But you see that with Tiger Woods, and
Speaker 1: you go all right, As a mental health element to
Speaker 1: this thing, how much of that is treating the pain?
Speaker 1: How much is that an addiction issue? Do you think?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit of both.
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think that you can be an
Speaker 8: elite athlete and not have some of the qualities and
Speaker 8: characteristics associated with an addictive personality. The pursuit of excellence,
Speaker 8: the relentlessness that's required, the obsessive focus on something. Those
Speaker 8: all can be associated with elite athletes and addictions and
Speaker 8: high performing people in general. But this man's body has
Speaker 8: been through so much over the years, and he's had
Speaker 8: so many surgeries and so many recoveries and so many
Speaker 8: comebacks that it has to take a toll on him mentally,
Speaker 8: not just physically. And my guess is he's fairly isolated
Speaker 8: in terms of people who actually care about him and
Speaker 8: support him, who he doesn't pay to do so or
Speaker 8: employ to do so, or who don't feel beholden to
Speaker 8: him in some way. So I can see it being
Speaker 8: like this perfect cocktail that just makes him feel lonely isolated.
Speaker 8: This is my guest, lonely isolated, all on his own,
Speaker 8: with a lot of expectation from himself and from his
Speaker 8: fans and from other people, and a body that doesn't
Speaker 8: do what it used to do, and access to substances that.
Speaker 1: Can help with that, right, right, And that's I think
Speaker 1: that's the pattern, right that you see from time to time.
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, you know, he is, there's a collapse
Speaker 1: and then there's a comeback and we've got hope, and
Speaker 1: it just keeps repeating itself. And it's been going on
Speaker 1: multiple times with Tiger Woods. For those of us who
Speaker 1: aren't high level, world class athletes, which is almost all
Speaker 1: of us, probably all of us, what's the relationship between
Speaker 1: chronic physical pain and mental health deterioration, because that applies
Speaker 1: to all of us.
Speaker 4: It absolutely does apply to all of us.
Speaker 8: The stress associated with chronic intractable pain increases really dramatically,
Speaker 8: the incidence of depression and anxiety and burnout in all
Speaker 8: of us. Our bodies are not designed to be in
Speaker 8: chronic pain all the time, and our brains are not
Speaker 8: designed to manage chronic pain all the time. And many
Speaker 8: of the substances that we use to manage the pain
Speaker 8: also have mental and cognitive components to them. So opioids,
Speaker 8: for example, are highly addictive and so when our bodies
Speaker 8: are in such pain, everything is harder. If you think
Speaker 8: about we all wake up in the morning with a
Speaker 8: certain level of resource. There's a certain amount of gas
Speaker 8: in our so to speak, and it varies day by day,
Speaker 8: but we all wake up with some gas in our tank.
Speaker 8: And if managing our bodies and our pain is taking
Speaker 8: most of the gas in our tank, then we don't
Speaker 8: really have a whole lot else left over for relationships,
Speaker 8: for productive work, for enjoyment of life, for any of
Speaker 8: the things that make life meaningful. And so it can
Speaker 8: start to feel as if all we do every day
Speaker 8: is grind through the pain, to go to sleep, to
Speaker 8: get up the next morning to grind through the pain again,
Speaker 8: and that can have extensive detrimental consequences on our mental
Speaker 8: well being.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at some point it STAPs me into a golf
Speaker 1: and it's a mental health emergency. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tiger WOODZS is in mental health crisis at this point,
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't surprise me if he were.
Speaker 8: It wouldn't surprise me if he were either. The expectations
Speaker 8: on him are so high. People hang so much hope
Speaker 8: on him, and he has such high expectations for himself.
Speaker 8: And we all know that he did not have an
Speaker 8: easy childhood or an easy father growing up, so that
Speaker 8: certainly set him up for this belief that he is
Speaker 8: only as good as his last performance, and that his
Speaker 8: value is based on what he does, not who he
Speaker 8: is as a person. I'm speculating, I don't know, but
Speaker 8: that would be my guest. And his performance becomes his identity,
Speaker 8: and if his performance is struggling, or his body is
Speaker 8: failing him or making it difficult, then his identity is
Speaker 8: impacted versus I had a bad day.
Speaker 4: And you know, shrugging it off and moving on. It
Speaker 4: sits with him.
Speaker 8: The expectations he has and that we have for him
Speaker 8: are so high.
Speaker 1: Julie Hattish share our licensed mental health therapist. It's mental
Speaker 1: health money and the Scoonsland Show on seven hundred WW
Speaker 1: are talking about that Tiger Woods and of course another
Speaker 1: rollover accident, this time in Florida. OVI. Clearly he was
Speaker 1: under the influence of something, now alcohol but probably drugs
Speaker 1: related to his pain cycle and treating and hopes he's
Speaker 1: going to come back and play the Masters. He's got
Speaker 1: TGL going on, and now that everything there is on
Speaker 1: a full stop And it's almost like if you were
Speaker 1: to get his would you say, hey, listen, you've got
Speaker 1: to stop everything, and he get into some long term
Speaker 1: treatment program here to help you out. But you know again,
Speaker 1: the painkillers, though, allow him to get up and live
Speaker 1: his life. How do you deal without painkillers? That's the problem,
Speaker 1: isn't that well?
Speaker 8: I mean, they allow him to get up and live
Speaker 8: his athletic golf life. But what if it's time And
Speaker 8: I don't know, but what if it's time for him
Speaker 8: to stop playing golf at that level? What if that's
Speaker 8: just not something that his body and his psyche can
Speaker 8: sustain anymore.
Speaker 4: What if he needs help distancing.
Speaker 8: Himself or entangling himself from his identity as a golfer
Speaker 8: and figuring out who he is as a person and
Speaker 8: a man without the game.
Speaker 4: Of golf at that level.
Speaker 8: Not that he can't go out and play on a
Speaker 8: weekend with friends, but he plays at such a high
Speaker 8: level and it's such a toll on his body.
Speaker 4: It's what seven back surgeries.
Speaker 8: Or something like that. That's a lot for a body
Speaker 8: to sustain. That's a lot of anesthesia, that's a lot
Speaker 8: of recovery, that's a lot of injury. And trauma for
Speaker 8: a body to sustain over and over again, not to
Speaker 8: mention what else.
Speaker 4: He's had to go through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I could see where the addiction cycle just
Speaker 1: continues to grab on to him. Now, I will say
Speaker 1: at the Open here I mentioned it's a big golf
Speaker 1: weekend from Mental Healthy at Tiger Woods. Arrest on Friday.
Speaker 1: But Gary Woodland is a inspiring story. Here's a guy
Speaker 1: who had brain surgery, had lesions on his brain back
Speaker 1: two and a half three years ago, has surgery for that,
Speaker 1: and then had PTSD something awful to a point where
Speaker 1: he couldn't do anything. And he said, most recently felt
Speaker 1: like a thousand pounds of weight was lifted off his back.
Speaker 1: Yesterday he won the Houston Open, had won a tournament
Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen. And what a great story that is.
Speaker 1: PTSD is I normally you think, wow, it's soldiers and
Speaker 1: first line first responders and things like that. But let's
Speaker 1: run that down. The definition of PTSD.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: Where's it come from?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 8: So PTSD is defined by some hyperactive, hypervigilant behaviors as
Speaker 8: a result of trauma, and it can come from a
Speaker 8: number of different things. So what I read about Gary
Speaker 8: Woodland is in the year to eighteen months before he
Speaker 8: was diagnosed with the legions, he was having some really awful, frightening,
Speaker 8: debilitating physical symptoms and they couldn't figure out what it was.
Speaker 8: So he had all of this really terrible stuff going
Speaker 8: on with his body. It was traumatic. He was having seizures,
Speaker 8: he was having horrible nightmares, it was apparently it was
Speaker 8: just horrifying, and they didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 8: They didn't have any understanding or explanation of it. So
Speaker 8: that in and of itself is trauma. So post traumatic
Speaker 8: stress disorder is what we carry with us in the
Speaker 8: aftermath of trauma. Now, not everybody gets it, and the
Speaker 8: traumas that can cause it are different. Some people are
Speaker 8: more susceptible to it than other people. But it's characterized
Speaker 8: by four categories of symptoms. Intrusive, unwanted involuntary thoughts, Avoiding
Speaker 8: reminders of the trauma, so avoiding anything that might trigger
Speaker 8: a reminder of the trauma. Changes in thinking and mood,
Speaker 8: so your cognition changes, your brain goes fuzzy. And one
Speaker 8: of the things that I was reading about him was
Speaker 8: he forgot where he was when he was triggered on
Speaker 8: the golf course. Once he forgot for where he was,
Speaker 8: he forgot what he was supposed to do, so his
Speaker 8: brain went fuzzy. And people with PTSD either become hyper
Speaker 8: or hyper hypo aroused, so they either feel everything greatly
Speaker 8: or they get really numb, and they can taggle back
Speaker 8: and forth between those two things. So it's the body's
Speaker 8: response to a trauma that has already happened, and it's cognitive,
Speaker 8: it's emotional, and it's physical.
Speaker 1: All great, and that's tough to de find though what
Speaker 1: trauma is. What trauma is for you may not be
Speaker 1: for me, and vice versa. That's tough to find out
Speaker 1: what that is, Isn't that I mean, is there a
Speaker 1: certain threshold that meets to do to trigger PTSD.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 8: Actually, the way that we kind of think of trauma
Speaker 8: is it any event that outstrips our coping mechanisms. So
Speaker 8: any event that outstrips our ability to understand it and
Speaker 8: cope with it can be traumatic. But some people are
Speaker 8: more resilient to the effects of trauma than other people are.
Speaker 8: So let's say there's a plane accident and there are
Speaker 8: survivors of the plane crash. Some people will carry PTSD
Speaker 8: from that, and other people will not. So it's not
Speaker 8: the event itself that necessarily creates the trauma. It's what people,
Speaker 8: the meaning people make of it, and the impact it
Speaker 8: has on them as individuals. So trauma can be a
Speaker 8: very individual thing. Seemingly small things can have a very
Speaker 8: large impact on someone. Seemingly large things can have a
Speaker 8: very small impact on someone. So it's visualized, but basically
Speaker 8: it is when an event outstrips your coping mechanisms and
Speaker 8: your ability to make sense of it.
Speaker 1: All right, So a plane crash that would be a
Speaker 1: huge trigger section will assault something like that, horrific accident PTSD, soldiers, cops, firefighters, medics,
Speaker 1: et cetera. That I all get those jobs, and there's PTSD,
Speaker 1: probably a lot of it on a on a pretty
Speaker 1: steady basis. When I was six years old, I asked
Speaker 1: my mom if I could have an extra cookie? Said, no,
Speaker 1: you fat bastard, you have had too many. Is that
Speaker 1: Do I get PTSD from that? That's kind of like
Speaker 1: not quite as serious as you know, in a shootout
Speaker 1: with a suspect, But I mean not getting a you know,
Speaker 1: a seleno butter cookie when you're six years old. That's
Speaker 1: pretty traumatic for a six year old. What do you
Speaker 1: make of that? Is that something? Do I got something
Speaker 1: there to have a case?
Speaker 6: Do you?
Speaker 4: Absolutely do? I think I think kids should get cookies.
Speaker 8: But here's the thing. Let's take this seriously for a minute.
Speaker 8: Let's say that you got called a fat bastard and
Speaker 8: lots of other things, often by your family when you
Speaker 8: were little. Yeah, that's traumatic. Okay, not getting the cookie
Speaker 8: not traumatic. And I realize you're making a joke. But
Speaker 8: that kind of environment where you are belittle demeaned, verbally
Speaker 8: abused may be physically abused when you were young.
Speaker 4: That can create PTSD.
Speaker 8: That is a traumatic environment depending on your response to
Speaker 8: it as an individual person, That can create PTSD later
Speaker 8: in life for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, And everyone has that all true something they hold
Speaker 1: on to sit. But that's everybody, doesn't everybody have what
Speaker 1: the kids, these deadic kids, they call it microaggressions, right,
Speaker 1: these little transgressions they add I guess they add it.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if that's true, everybody's got PTSD, then no, no.
Speaker 8: No, no, everybody has trauma. Everybody has some trauma in
Speaker 8: their life. We all have some things that happened to
Speaker 8: us that were more of what we needed or not
Speaker 8: enough of what we needed. Everybody has that, but the
Speaker 8: PTSD is very specific. Not all of us have intrusive
Speaker 8: thoughts and memories and flashbacks of things that happen to us.
Speaker 8: Not all of us avoid situations because they might trigger that.
Speaker 8: So think about a war veteran avoiding forth of July
Speaker 8: because of the fireworks triggering flashbacks to being under fire.
Speaker 4: Most of us love fireworks. Some of us don't love fireworks.
Speaker 8: But most of us don't avoid them because we're afraid
Speaker 8: they're going to send us diving for cover under a table.
Speaker 8: Most of us don't have thought and mood changes as
Speaker 8: a result of what happened to us that one traumatic
Speaker 8: event or a particularly traumatic childhood, and most of us
Speaker 8: aren't either hypervigilant, which is what Gary Woodland reported being,
Speaker 8: or numbed out completely, which is what many people report.
Speaker 8: So PTSD is a response. It's not the trauma itself.
Speaker 1: So the PTSD in Gary Woodland's case, when's the Houston
Speaker 1: open yesterday? It's because of the brain tumor surgery he
Speaker 1: had three years ago. Is a surgery trigger for a
Speaker 1: lot of people?
Speaker 8: Well, yes, it can be and I think it's a
Speaker 8: couple of things. So first of all, as I understood it,
Speaker 8: what I read, the surgery was very close to his amygdala,
Speaker 8: and the migdala is the smoke alarm of our brain.
Speaker 8: It is the fire sensor of our brain. It lets
Speaker 8: us know when something is going wrong. Some people have
Speaker 8: very sensitive smoke alarms. Some people have less sensitive smoke alarms.
Speaker 8: But they also left part of the lesion in the
Speaker 8: brain because they didn't want to impact his motor function
Speaker 8: or his vision. So he still has a little part
Speaker 8: of that pushing on the amygdala in his brain. But
Speaker 8: I also think that the PTSD, as I read it,
Speaker 8: was from all of the stuff that led up to
Speaker 8: the diagnosis.
Speaker 4: And what a horrific time he had over.
Speaker 8: That twelve to eighteen months before he got the diagnosis
Speaker 8: and the surgery and understood what was going on. And
Speaker 8: so that was a terribly traumatic event. He wasn't sure
Speaker 8: he was going to live half the time. He really
Speaker 8: was afraid he was dying, much less be able to
Speaker 8: play golf again or you know, raise his children and
Speaker 8: be a husband to his wife. And then the surgery
Speaker 8: and they left of the part of what they found
Speaker 8: because they didn't want to take it all in, as
Speaker 8: I said, in pair's vision or his motor skills. And
Speaker 8: so he still has a little bit of this brain
Speaker 8: lesion pressing on his amygdala. And if the amygdala is
Speaker 8: the smoke alarm of the brain, then he is hyper
Speaker 8: sensitive to things that other people wouldn't even notice. So
Speaker 8: as I was reading, somebody walked behind him and he
Speaker 8: was hyper sensitive to that. But the other thing is,
Speaker 8: once that smoke alarm goes off, it's really hard to
Speaker 8: shut it down again. So once he's triggered with that,
Speaker 8: he can't just shake it off. He can't just say, oh,
Speaker 8: you know, that was just somebody walking behind me, no
Speaker 8: big deal. He needs to go through a process and
Speaker 8: he's just I think, still learning how to do that
Speaker 8: to calm himself down, reground himself, recenter himself, and keep
Speaker 8: going forward.
Speaker 4: And he's been dealing with.
Speaker 8: This on his own for years without telling anybody other
Speaker 8: than his family and his physicians. So now I think
Speaker 8: the tour is making accommodations for him, and his fellow
Speaker 8: players are and the fans are more aware of it
Speaker 8: of late, and so I think it will become easier
Speaker 8: for him and easier to deal with the triggering in
Speaker 8: the hyper arousal and the hypervigilance that he is experiencing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotcha. And by the way, Spring is here
Speaker 1: just a reminder to change the battery on your amygdala
Speaker 1: so it doesn't cause those triggers. Yes, yeah, yes, Julie
Speaker 1: Hatter share our license mental health there. Well, that's a
Speaker 1: great story because he goes and he puts all the
Speaker 1: PTSD in the surgery behind him and goes and wins
Speaker 1: a tournament. It goes to show you the therapy works.
Speaker 4: Yes, therapy works. Treatment works.
Speaker 8: There is a way out of the hell that is PTSD.
Speaker 8: There really is, and there are multiple there are multiple
Speaker 8: paths to take to do that. But it does require
Speaker 8: getting help consistently. And he still works at it. I mean,
Speaker 8: it's what I was reading. He still works at it
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Speaker 1: Let me get a news update in here in just
Speaker 1: about four minutes, very latest on what's happening around the world.
Speaker 1: He is behind a statewide petition to kill data centers
Speaker 1: in Ohio. They want to be in all over the place,
Speaker 1: especially in the rural counties. Health Cincinnati even said we
Speaker 1: don't want them till we figure out what the story is.
Speaker 1: The legislature's way behind on this, but they have started
Speaker 1: a petition and are looking for your signatures to put
Speaker 1: limits on data center. Some say the limits will kill
Speaker 1: data centers. Details next seven hundred WWD Cincinnati, Do you
Speaker 1: want to be an American?
Speaker 3: Indian?
Speaker 1: Flowing on seven hundred ww SOO A group of residents,
Speaker 1: concerned residents see these data centers come and they're coming
Speaker 1: all over the place and said, let's puck the brakes
Speaker 1: a little bit on this. They just cleared a major
Speaker 1: hurdle to get it on your ballot in November. And
Speaker 1: from Ohio Residence for responsor to Alex Schaefer's back on
Speaker 1: the show. Alex, congratulations, first of all, because Attorney General
Speaker 1: yos just certified your petition and there are five residents
Speaker 1: you're one of them, but you're part of the movement
Speaker 1: to banned data centers using more than twenty five megawatts
Speaker 1: a month and now moves on to the Ohio ballot
Speaker 1: board to determine if it qualifies as a single ballot issue.
Speaker 1: It looks good so far. For those maybe hearing your
Speaker 1: voice for the first time because you've been it a
Speaker 1: few times, welcome back. Why did you wind up getting
Speaker 1: involved in.
Speaker 9: This Scott, Good morning to you in the tri State.
Speaker 9: I wanted to get involved in this, you know, as
Speaker 9: someone that loves Adams County. My grandparents grew up here,
Speaker 9: my mother grew up here, and they immigrated here from Lithuania,
Speaker 9: and you know, the amount of passion and the pride
Speaker 9: and beauty that we have here in Adams County is
Speaker 9: absolutely phenomenal. And you know, as part of my campaign
Speaker 9: for the County Commissioner, I don't want to see irresponsible
Speaker 9: development come into the county, which unfortunately is been the
Speaker 9: history of what we've seen here the last couple of
Speaker 9: years with NDAs and LAFE of Transparency and so this
Speaker 9: is all about transparency and responsible development for the residents
Speaker 9: of Adams County and now the state.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the twenty five megawatt cap would effectively block
Speaker 1: most modern data centers in today's AI driven facilities need
Speaker 1: what about two hundred megawatts? Why why that number in particular,
Speaker 1: because I think when we first talked, or at least
Speaker 1: the first few times we spoke, Alex, he said, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we don't want we don't want to eliminate data centers
Speaker 1: because we realized it's the future we all use the
Speaker 1: we all use them in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: I keep mentioning the average American has twenty one devices
Speaker 1: that they used, maybe not at all the same time,
Speaker 1: but we all use data and so acknowledging that this
Speaker 1: feels like, well, it would be a ban on data centers.
Speaker 1: Am I wrong?
Speaker 2: No? And that's the thing.
Speaker 9: The twenty five cap figure was given actually based on
Speaker 9: looking at comparables you know, nationally, but more so specifically
Speaker 9: here in Ohio about legislation that the state legislators had
Speaker 9: proposed in a bill themselves looking at utility usage in
Speaker 9: regards to that twenty five megawatt figure. So from our standpoint,
Speaker 9: the way we had constructed this, you know, amendment proposed
Speaker 9: amendment is to say, we need data centers as part
Speaker 9: of our society, but what we don't want is to
Speaker 9: become a dumping ground for tech, and that, unfortunately, is
Speaker 9: what we have become with these hyper scale data centers
Speaker 9: popping up in rural Ohio and residents having you know,
Speaker 9: the wool pull it overneath are on there above their head,
Speaker 9: I'm sorry in the morning over there. So you know,
Speaker 9: it's about responsibility and it's about also taking accountability in
Speaker 9: relation to the actions or inactions that are state legislatures
Speaker 9: are undergoing, and it's.
Speaker 1: Happening all over You know, you're in Adams County. I'm
Speaker 1: a Brown County, a small village there is going through
Speaker 1: so the NDAs. We're just seeing it in mountal We're
Speaker 1: seeing it all over the place in Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio,
Speaker 1: but in particular Ohio because we're fifth in the nation
Speaker 1: and data center builds and we've got a bunch more
Speaker 1: that are trying to get online as we speak. This
Speaker 1: would certainly slow things down. But at twenty five megawatts,
Speaker 1: I would think that an operator w go, well, it's
Speaker 1: not worth it putting in Ohio. I'll go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Should we I mean, should we have some of these
Speaker 1: in our backyard? I mean yeah, I guess. It is
Speaker 1: not a lot of jobs, for sure. It doesn't take
Speaker 1: many people to operate a data center. It's a other
Speaker 1: than maybe people to service and construction workers alike, which
Speaker 1: are great paying jobs for sure, and the maintenance on
Speaker 1: them is going to continue to pay dividends. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, if I'm opening one of
Speaker 1: these places, I wouldn't be looking at Ohio. If you
Speaker 1: cap me at twenty five bagwats.
Speaker 9: Exactly, and I think that's that's where we have to
Speaker 9: look at the development. And this has been spurred by
Speaker 9: sluggishness from estate legislators and being proactive compared to other
Speaker 9: states and looking at a master framework for Ohio rather
Speaker 9: than chasing what is the next big boom that we
Speaker 9: want to be a part of. But is that boom
Speaker 9: responsible for the residents of Ohio long term? And when
Speaker 9: we are literally dumping these energy consumers in rural America
Speaker 9: to where we're not getting the number of jobs, we
Speaker 9: are straining our energy grid, we are affecting land values,
Speaker 9: we are forcing residents to leave areas where they love,
Speaker 9: and we don't know the true long term health and
Speaker 9: environmental effects of these data centers because we're within kind
Speaker 9: of that twenty year timeframe of when they actually at
Speaker 9: first started to appear in America. We have to step
Speaker 9: back at the society in a bipartisan way and say
Speaker 9: what is the best thing for not only ourselves, but
Speaker 9: our kids and our grandchildren, and how we want to
Speaker 9: see Ohio moving forward.
Speaker 1: At the same time, now they're limited jobs, but there's
Speaker 1: significant tax benefits to these things. How granted a dran
Speaker 1: an environment. A concern is the water, the concern is
Speaker 1: the electricity and what it takes and the footprint of
Speaker 1: these things. But at the same time, we're getting a
Speaker 1: hell of out of tax revenue from these things that
Speaker 1: we don't want to see go to another state.
Speaker 9: Well actually, currently right now, we are not seeing any
Speaker 9: sales tax in relation to hardware that is purchased by
Speaker 9: these data centers at a there was another bill proposed
Speaker 9: this week to basically repeal that. And then in relation
Speaker 9: to the actual development of these data centers, most of
Speaker 9: them have run off of one hundred percent TIFFs and
Speaker 9: most of them have run off an additional cr credit.
Speaker 9: So here in Adamscunty specifically, it was looking at a
Speaker 9: fifteen year fifty percent CRA and a one hundred percent TIFTS.
Speaker 9: So when we actually look at long term, what is
Speaker 9: the taxable infrastructure value that we're providing to the community,
Speaker 9: separate from the job, separate from the land value. If
Speaker 9: you look at across Ohio and you look at across
Speaker 9: the country, the numbers simply do not support the.
Speaker 2: Position of the Coalition.
Speaker 3: For Data centers. It simply doesn't.
Speaker 1: Can we change that legally though, so we wind up
Speaker 1: getting clawing more money back. That's something the legislature could
Speaker 1: take up, couldn't.
Speaker 9: It clawbacks verse actual you know, implementation and effective dates.
Speaker 9: I don't think there's any way that you would be
Speaker 9: able to quote unquote claw back money if you will.
Speaker 1: But in tax use your development, I mean we're we're.
Speaker 9: Still in use, yeah, absolutely, taxing future development. You know,
Speaker 9: in one of the bills actually that was proposed by
Speaker 9: the legislature in Ohio and.
Speaker 2: The first version which was.
Speaker 9: Removed and it actually had passed going on to the
Speaker 9: Senate now was there was a moratorium in place in Ohio.
Speaker 9: So we have multiple different pieces of bills right now
Speaker 9: in Ohio where we are looking to study these things
Speaker 9: provide you know, caps on tax incentives, water output and consumption,
Speaker 9: electrical consumption. But at the same point in time that
Speaker 9: allows these developers and these community economic development directors to
Speaker 9: continue to try and slam these data centers into Ohio.
Speaker 9: And I can tell you after being at a conference
Speaker 9: this week and in Columbus, the Ohio Economic Development Association.
Speaker 2: That is essentially their mindset. They're very well aware of
Speaker 2: the legislation.
Speaker 9: That's going on in Ohio. But they are their goal
Speaker 9: in their their their focus right now is continuing to
Speaker 9: push these projects through despite that.
Speaker 1: Alex Schaefer is here, he's part of a group well
Speaker 1: high residents and responsible development as the ones that brought
Speaker 1: this to the Attorney General's office. So in November it
Speaker 1: looks like we could get a referendum on the ballots
Speaker 1: that essentially would kill data centers in Ohio because it
Speaker 1: would limit them to using more than no more than
Speaker 1: twenty five megawatts of electricity a month. And these things
Speaker 1: are two hundred plus, which is the size of a
Speaker 1: small town and only getting bigger for sure. And the
Speaker 1: other side of this thing, Alex, though, is the concern
Speaker 1: over national security. We all want to continue America and
Speaker 1: to be independent obviously too. But if we have another
Speaker 1: growing number of states and simply say we don't want
Speaker 1: these data centers here, don't they just build them in China?
Speaker 9: So I think with the data center argument regarding national security,
Speaker 9: and this is something I had brought up, if we're
Speaker 9: truly looking at a national security issue, then the federal
Speaker 9: government needs to start throwing their weight around and weigh in. Yes,
Speaker 9: need to step in, and they need to say what
Speaker 9: is a responsible pathway for development for our entire country
Speaker 9: moving forward, and where and how we want to see
Speaker 9: these hyper scale data centers moving forward. But right now
Speaker 9: we don't have that because they are spreading out all
Speaker 9: over the country. And when that does happen and they
Speaker 9: are all over the country, you have different state laws
Speaker 9: that take into effect, different municipal laws that take into effect.
Speaker 9: So even if we are, you know, in putting in
Speaker 9: data centers that deal with national security right now, what
Speaker 9: real authority does the federal government have if they're not
Speaker 9: exercising that at this standpoint.
Speaker 1: No question. And we've seen this before and it's typical
Speaker 1: of the system as they tend to be reactive when
Speaker 1: it's business or something that's groundbreaking like this, are always
Speaker 1: behind it and it takes forever to explain to these
Speaker 1: eighty year olds and they're what a data center is,
Speaker 1: what AI is. That's part of the problem too, and
Speaker 1: so it's lagging right. It takes some time to develop
Speaker 1: and do the research, and so there are numbers bills
Speaker 1: that would deal with this. I one of the couple
Speaker 1: at least in the state House here in Ohio and
Speaker 1: federally they're working out it as well, so it always
Speaker 1: takes time for them to catch up to what the
Speaker 1: current zeitgeists in this case AI and particularly data centers ALEX.
Speaker 1: So you know at some point legislation will come. How
Speaker 1: we just went through this with the THHD drink band,
Speaker 1: where you know, the the craft breweries who are starting
Speaker 1: to get a little decline in craft beer have discovered
Speaker 1: THHC and fused beverages, and we just ban those. The
Speaker 1: governor just said, I don't like them. I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone should drink them, because you know, it's a theocracy anyway.
Speaker 1: He essentially bam vetoed this thing. They struck it down
Speaker 1: and you can't buy him in Ohio anymore. But I
Speaker 1: mean that again, it shows you how business is hamstrung
Speaker 1: by government. The government should be reacting to this and
Speaker 1: putting policies in place that protect the land and protect
Speaker 1: your interests there in Adams, but also in Brown County
Speaker 1: and many others. Is opposed to just letting them run
Speaker 1: rush out, and then what happens is we come up
Speaker 1: with a conscial amendment that kills all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: nobody wins in that. I don't think are you completely
Speaker 1: one hundred percent against any data centers going in despite
Speaker 1: the twenty five mega want limit.
Speaker 9: You want, no, we need data centers in society. My
Speaker 9: company uses data centers on a daily basis, and I
Speaker 9: think that's the underlying frustration that we have here right now.
Speaker 9: And we've been a prime example of that in Atoms,
Speaker 9: where the citizens have been voicing their frustrations over this
Speaker 9: for months. Brown County residents have been voicing their frustration
Speaker 9: for months. The City of Cincinnati has enacted the moratorium
Speaker 9: on data center. So when we look at then, you know,
Speaker 9: our leaders in terms of our elected officials, in return,
Speaker 9: in terms of our contracted partners that they utilize for development,
Speaker 9: and none of these individuals are listening to the residents
Speaker 9: and listening to the concerns on the ground, and they're
Speaker 9: in their ivory towers and their mindset is just to
Speaker 9: continue to push these things in. We inherently have a gap,
Speaker 9: and the residents are making their effort and trying to
Speaker 9: voice their conns. But when the underlying motivation from the
Speaker 9: government officials and these developers is to keep pushing these
Speaker 9: things in. Unfortunately, this is the predicament that you get
Speaker 9: yourselfs in.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now the real work begins here, and that
Speaker 1: is collecting all of these signatures. You need about four
Speaker 1: hundred and I think four hundred thousand plus.
Speaker 2: Roughly four hundred and thirteen four.
Speaker 1: Thirteen, that's the number there too, So you'd have to
Speaker 1: collect what roughly seven eight hundred thousand in order to
Speaker 1: be safe.
Speaker 9: And of those, it's basically ten percent of the votes
Speaker 9: in the landscubernatorial race in Ohio from twenty twenty two,
Speaker 9: and then of that, you know, five percent needs to
Speaker 9: come from forty four out of the eighty Ohio county
Speaker 9: So right now we have essentially thirty county captains assigned
Speaker 9: that would oversee their counties and they're working on the
Speaker 9: volunteer committees.
Speaker 2: I believe this.
Speaker 9: Week a ballot issue political action campaign is going to
Speaker 9: be started. Interesting in Lee and Ohio. There is no
Speaker 9: cap on contributions to a ballot issue political action committee
Speaker 9: to anyone out there listening, and then you know, from there,
Speaker 9: we're definitely working on putting the framework in place on
Speaker 9: how we're going to handle the signature portion and election
Speaker 9: day in May to get a large portion of those signatures,
Speaker 9: you know. So things are developing very rapidly and very quickly,
Speaker 9: and the amount of support that we've seeing around the
Speaker 9: state is truly, truly overwhelming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the easy easier part, I guess I should say
Speaker 1: nothing about this is easy, but would be Cleveland, Columbus,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati to you know the date in the big cities,
Speaker 1: bigger cities anyway, But out in rural areas where you are,
Speaker 1: which is most of Ohio, that takes a lot more
Speaker 1: work because people are more scattered, it.
Speaker 3: Takes more work.
Speaker 9: So what we have is a prime opportunity right now
Speaker 9: with the primary elections on May fifth coming up, and
Speaker 9: in addition, in these rural areas, a lot of the
Speaker 9: political activism, if you will accourage via word amount because
Speaker 9: people it's in a small community. People talk people out,
Speaker 9: personal experiences. So even if you look at the amount
Speaker 9: of signatures that we were able to gather, you know,
Speaker 9: the last few weeks from the rural areas, mainly in
Speaker 9: southwest Ohio, you know, our boots on the Grand campaign
Speaker 9: has been working at gaining interaction and more importantly, now
Speaker 9: it is evidently clear across the state people are overwhelmingly
Speaker 9: concerned about this issue and want to have a stake
Speaker 9: in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, makes sense, So people out there collecting the signatures,
Speaker 1: you up till July first to get this, and there's
Speaker 1: a few more hurdles to jump in this discuss. The
Speaker 1: other thing too, is are you going to have pushback
Speaker 1: then from the state because Governor Mike DeWine is hanging
Speaker 1: his hat on this and wanting to put data centers
Speaker 1: in He's champion them for years. Republican lawmakers handed out
Speaker 1: billions and tax breaks in this industry, and now maybe
Speaker 1: they're pumping the breaks have And second thoughts, I'm not
Speaker 1: quite sure what do you make all that plus all
Speaker 1: the money that these big companies and we're talking the
Speaker 1: Amazons of the world are going to be throwing at
Speaker 1: this campaign to make sure that people vote in support
Speaker 1: of data centers as opposed to what with you guys
Speaker 1: are doing, Alex, Is this a winnable I mean, you
Speaker 1: get on the ballot, But the problem is it's just
Speaker 1: grassroots versus all that money in politics. Does that frighten.
Speaker 9: You well, because we would expect pushback from the state
Speaker 9: and also from big tech, which is inherently why we're.
Speaker 2: Here right now.
Speaker 9: And you know, when we also look at again valid
Speaker 9: issues with the political action campaigns, you know, based on
Speaker 9: the contributions that we would receive. That is the standpoint
Speaker 9: of Then we're looking at getting paid circulators to gather
Speaker 9: the petitions and actually get more of a modernized movement going.
Speaker 9: But if you look at the underlying, you know, drive
Speaker 9: of people here, it's about protecting their land in Ohio.
Speaker 9: And from my standpoint, if you had to ask me,
Speaker 9: would I rather side with big tech and the government
Speaker 9: or our residents here in Ohio that are so prideful
Speaker 9: of their land, so prideful where they're from and then
Speaker 9: wanting to protect that in a responsible way, I'm going
Speaker 9: to go with the residents of Ohio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, all right, So look for people asking
Speaker 1: for your signature. It's a very important issue data centers
Speaker 1: in and around Ohio. Alex Schaeffer, thanks again for jumping
Speaker 1: on the show. Brother, I appreciate it.
Speaker 9: Scott, thank you very much. Thank you to the Tri
Speaker 9: State area again for you allowing us to voice what's
Speaker 9: going on here in Adams and now the state on
Speaker 9: seven hundred.
Speaker 1: Wow, you appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Be well. And it's not just Adams County, of course,
Speaker 1: it's all the other counties in Ohio, especially the rural
Speaker 1: ones where we're looking at data centers in Cincinnati for
Speaker 1: that matter, where they declared that moratorium on this stuff
Speaker 1: until the legislature gets in and comes up with a plan.
Speaker 1: We need to study, we need a plan. What's taken
Speaker 1: so long. Let's get after it. But you know, this
Speaker 1: is the same government, granted that the state, the federal
Speaker 1: that can't even pay tsa workers. So it feels like
Speaker 1: sometimes hope has left the building. We'll get a time
Speaker 1: out in and news is coming up in just minutes
Speaker 1: and Jeff Carr is here. We'll get some good news
Speaker 1: because the Reds have won their first series of the season,
Speaker 1: and it feels like, I don't know, it feels like
Speaker 1: twenty years. It's probably not true, but it just feels
Speaker 1: like they don't win series until they're either out of
Speaker 1: it or late in the season.
Speaker 2: I make it.
Speaker 1: And now out of the blocks, you take two or
Speaker 1: three from Boston. How we looking pretty good? Pretty damn good?
Speaker 1: Just ahead Jeff Carr from Lockdown. Reds will wrap up
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Speaker 1: got a rookie already making history. I think a lock
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Speaker 1: And a guy who's in pitching the big leagues and
Speaker 1: what five hundred and something days looks like? He never left?
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Speaker 1: locked on Red's Welcome Back Son, How we doin?
Speaker 2: That was a great first weekend Sloany.
Speaker 6: After opening Day, everybody was worried.
Speaker 2: But I was so happy to see that they battled
Speaker 2: back to that series.
Speaker 1: Well, it's very Cincinnati. If you win the first game
Speaker 1: of the season and opening because it's so big, you're
Speaker 1: going to the World Series. If you lose, the team's
Speaker 1: going to hell. We're not gonna be able to do anything.
Speaker 1: We can't get everyone away. We're not gonna make it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna be mathematically eliminated by the All
Speaker 1: Star break. You know, it's either really really high. We're
Speaker 1: very manic in that regard. Two wins final two games
Speaker 1: after being shut on an opening day. What's the most
Speaker 1: important takeaway from you that you saw in this opening series.
Speaker 6: Jet, I think it's overall that the lineup is better,
Speaker 6: and we saw two different reasons why. On Saturday it
Speaker 6: was the middle of the lineup between McClain, Ellie and
Speaker 6: south Stewart just all going off. They were constantly complimenting
Speaker 6: each other with hits here and there and Homer's everywhere.
Speaker 6: And then on Sunday it was the one thing that
Speaker 6: they brought a eu Haniu Suarez in here to do.
Speaker 2: Sure, people are.
Speaker 6: Going to belabor the batting average, people are going to
Speaker 6: talk about the strikeouts, and as we heard on both
Speaker 6: broadcasts at different point throughout the weekend, he left a
Speaker 6: small army on base in the first two games. But
Speaker 6: it's that one swing that he can deliver in a
Speaker 6: key moment when things just aren't quite going the reds
Speaker 6: way and flip the script because the Red lineup was
Speaker 6: pretty much shut out. I mean, I actually shut out
Speaker 6: the rest of the game except for au Haneu swars
Speaker 6: one swing for three runs and they get the win,
Speaker 6: and that's why he's here.
Speaker 1: Well exactly, I mean everyone was excited, Hey, forty nine
Speaker 1: Horme runs last year. But if you extrapolate that, that's
Speaker 1: about what this would look like right game right.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 6: And really the way that this lineup was able to
Speaker 6: put things together looked different from last year because we
Speaker 6: constantly heard, well, you got a string hits together, single single,
Speaker 6: single death by a thousand customers, that's how this offense
Speaker 6: is going to work. But there were multiple different ways,
Speaker 6: but it showed over the weekend how it can be
Speaker 6: the team. And make no mistake about it, the pitchers
Speaker 6: that Threads faced from Boston are supposed to be really
Speaker 6: good and connolly early in Sunny Grade, So I'm I'm
Speaker 6: happy with the fact that they faced the high level
Speaker 6: of competition and they rose to the challenge.
Speaker 1: Sales Stewart's already making history as a rookie. How good
Speaker 1: can he actually be? Is there really succeeding you put
Speaker 1: on him? Because we know that typically what happens is
Speaker 1: you go hot like this and then after a handful
Speaker 1: of games, the league catches up. They got a book
Speaker 1: on you. Okay, they start pitching it different. Then you
Speaker 1: have to up your game a little bit. What do
Speaker 1: you see how this plays out for Sales Stewart how
Speaker 1: many years will it be? In thirty years, will he
Speaker 1: putting a buying a clock and putting it up in
Speaker 1: front of Great American Ballpark like our last like our
Speaker 1: last rookie.
Speaker 6: I put no pressure on anybody to be Joey Vado,
Speaker 6: I'll say that. But when I do look at South Stewart,
Speaker 6: I see a lot of things that can translate to
Speaker 6: a really, really good season. They're going to be a
Speaker 6: seven hundred average season, probably not that has ever happened before,
Speaker 6: but he can easily bat somewhere north of two seventy
Speaker 6: five two eighty. And then we're talking about a guy
Speaker 6: who should be around that five hundred range for slugging,
Speaker 6: and that's going to be so key. That's what the
Speaker 6: Reds need in the middle of this lineup, and that's
Speaker 6: what Peedo seasoned him. But the other thing that is
Speaker 6: added to this and is very clear, is that his
Speaker 6: patience at the plate knows no bounds, because especially on
Speaker 6: Saturday and Sunday, Boston pitchers we're really trying to work
Speaker 6: around him and trying to dare him to chase pitches
Speaker 6: high low out in no matter where they were, they
Speaker 6: weren't in the strike zone and he was. He was
Speaker 6: fine to just say, look, I'm waiting on my pitch.
Speaker 6: You didn't give it to me, I'll take my base.
Speaker 6: He had no qualms about being patient at the plate,
Speaker 6: and I think for me, that is the biggest takeaway
Speaker 6: I had of his game all weekend is that even
Speaker 6: though he's a rook with just about a month in
Speaker 6: the major leagues, more than you and I, he looked
Speaker 6: as though he has been there for so long and
Speaker 6: his game is going to translate all season long with
Speaker 6: that type of play discipline.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, and who knows. I mean, he keeps
Speaker 1: us up at this pace and even if he settles
Speaker 1: down a little bit, good lord, Rookie of the Year MVP,
Speaker 1: I'll rolled in the one.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think that Terry Francona would even probably tell
Speaker 6: you that was just like, you know, Rookie of the
Speaker 6: Year sounds nice, But he has higher aspirations than that.
Speaker 2: And if you heard Sal.
Speaker 6: Stewart talk at Redsfest and stuff like that, I don't
Speaker 6: even know that individual accolades.
Speaker 2: Matter to him. He's like, I want to win. I
Speaker 2: want this team to advance in the postseason.
Speaker 6: Because whenever he was asked about you know, getting his
Speaker 6: first postseason action in his very first season, very first
Speaker 6: taste in the major leagues. He was like, well, you know,
Speaker 6: that was nice and all, but I want to win,
Speaker 6: and that's what they're looking for.
Speaker 1: And when now is a rookie's that's awesome, right Louder
Speaker 1: hasn't pitching like a year and a half. He goes
Speaker 1: five innings in his first start, has the lead. That's
Speaker 1: pretty damn encouraging. The guy has been on the bench
Speaker 1: that long, rehab that long. It looks so damn good,
Speaker 1: almost like mid season form, if you will this weekend.
Speaker 6: He is my favorite kind of pitcher. He's a thinking
Speaker 6: man's pitcher. It's not just he can rare back and
Speaker 6: throw one hundred miles an hour when he needs to.
Speaker 6: It's more so ninety five ninety six. But he locates
Speaker 6: everything with just about the precision that you would expect
Speaker 6: from a guy that he has pitched all of his career.
Speaker 6: He was a guy that after the Reds drafted him
Speaker 6: and he showed up in Dayton, I got a chance
Speaker 6: to interview him a little bit and he said, you know,
Speaker 6: even from day one, I recognize that I couldn't throw
Speaker 6: as hard as other players, and so I had to
Speaker 6: outthink the hitter from high school all the way through
Speaker 6: college and all the way up to this point. And
Speaker 6: so I think that we're going to see that every
Speaker 6: time he's on the mound, he's going to have a
Speaker 6: shot that that's a really good game because he knows
Speaker 6: he's got four great pitches that he can work with,
Speaker 6: he can locate them all around the strike zone as
Speaker 6: he needs to, and he can really face down an
Speaker 6: opposing lineup that I mean, he struck out Roman Anthony twice, yeah, yesterday,
Speaker 6: and Roman Anthony just absolutely did whatever he wanted in
Speaker 6: the first two games. So that was super encouraging to
Speaker 6: see that a guy like britt Lauder was so little
Speaker 6: major league experience, was able to affect the game so
Speaker 6: very keenly.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, make it up. That's why it works.
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Speaker 1: chopping up this past weekend, opening weekend in Cincinnati with
Speaker 1: the Boys come out of victorious, taking all but one
Speaker 1: game and the home opener. Who cares, We won the
Speaker 1: last two Pittsburgh in town tonight and the season continues.
Speaker 2: I think it's.
Speaker 1: Interesting, you know that the debate over what Terry Francone
Speaker 1: gets you, and many would argue that the reason they
Speaker 1: made the playoffs because of the moves he made with
Speaker 1: personnellity had. I think moving Chase Burns away from Boston
Speaker 1: specifically what happened last year that you know, people for
Speaker 1: I think people forget that because of the excitement of
Speaker 1: the offense and the pitching and the questions and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's those little things. The way he's got
Speaker 1: this lineup situated right now, how many wins would you
Speaker 1: project a manager like Tito gets you versus I don't know,
Speaker 1: not to pick on them at David Bell.
Speaker 6: I'd say probably about five to ten if they're really
Speaker 6: really good. But it's been a while since we've seen
Speaker 6: a manager that can I had ten wins, but I
Speaker 6: definitely would say that Terry Francona added about five wins
Speaker 6: this last season because the way that you saw some
Speaker 6: of the games that he attacked were completely different. To
Speaker 6: compare it to David Bell, because there were multiple points
Speaker 6: throughout David Bill's tenure that something would happen in the
Speaker 6: middle of the game.
Speaker 2: It'd be an injury, it.
Speaker 6: Would be I don't know, a thirty or forty pitch
Speaker 6: inning that a pitcher would need to be and then
Speaker 6: we would see the back end of the bullpen just
Speaker 6: completely go home, and they were bringing in these guys
Speaker 6: that they barely pitched or they pitched poorly. And after
Speaker 6: the game, you know, David Bell would say something to
Speaker 6: the effect of, while we were making sure that everything
Speaker 6: is rested for tomorrow, he managed for tomorrow. Tito managed
Speaker 6: for today every single day. It didn't matter what it was.
Speaker 6: And it wasn't a Game seven type urgency where it's
Speaker 6: like we've got to absolutely put everything in harm's way,
Speaker 6: but it was such an urgency that you knew today mattered.
Speaker 6: And that's how it felt, even in these first three
Speaker 6: games where he was able to move some things around.
Speaker 6: And I know there's some criticism of, you know, leaving TJ.
Speaker 6: Friedland against left handed pitching because Dan Myers was sitting
Speaker 6: on the bench, but there were definitely other moves that
Speaker 6: made plenty of sense. And I think that Sarah Francona
Speaker 6: shows us that he's he's about a five win manager.
Speaker 1: I would say, okay, yeah, we saw Okay win this
Speaker 1: year's against Boston. Pittsburgh is a lightweight, so you would
Speaker 1: hope and they'd be able the Sweeper certainly win the
Speaker 1: series there. Then it's off to Texas and Miami. Then
Speaker 1: you got the you got Anaheim, you got Frisco in there, Minnesota, Detroit.
Speaker 1: All in this first month of the season, Hunter Green
Speaker 1: is out till July, Lodolo's already on the isle with
Speaker 1: the blister, Ferguson hasn't thrown a pitch yet. Just how
Speaker 1: in the brink are they and what's your realistic best
Speaker 1: case scenario for the first half.
Speaker 6: I still think that the pitching staff was looking really well,
Speaker 6: especially after watching Rhet Louder, and I'm expecting Chase Burns
Speaker 6: and even Brandon Wimson to look pretty good here as
Speaker 6: they begin against the Pirates. Plane up that is much
Speaker 6: revamped from last season. Looks like they can be a
Speaker 6: lot more dangerous. But the Pirates are still a very
Speaker 6: flawed team. And I think you're right the Reds should
Speaker 6: win this series. They've got a massive opportunity with a
Speaker 6: lot of different games coming up.
Speaker 2: It should be theirs because.
Speaker 6: This is a tough thing, and baseball players will never
Speaker 6: tell you this, and managers will never tell you this.
Speaker 6: They don't look at the schedule as a whole. They
Speaker 6: look at every single day, but we as fans can't.
Speaker 6: And when you look at the month of April, it
Speaker 6: is vastly different from the month of September. And even
Speaker 6: though Hunter Green isn't here and we're still waiting on
Speaker 6: the debut for Nickelodola this year, this is the time
Speaker 6: to really make some headway because you mentioned a lot
Speaker 6: of teams in there that the Reds should beat up on.
Speaker 6: I know that the Marlins are actually undefeated, they swept
Speaker 6: the Rockies in their first series, but.
Speaker 2: I don't buy that.
Speaker 6: I don't think that the Marlins are that kind of
Speaker 6: a team that the Reds really got to be like.
Speaker 2: Oh, we got to fear these guys. Yeah, and they're not.
Speaker 6: There's no Brewers on the schedule, and I don't think
Speaker 6: there's any Cubs on the schedule until either very late
Speaker 6: in the month or into the month of May.
Speaker 2: And so when you.
Speaker 6: Look at that, those are the games that you really
Speaker 6: really need to have a leg up on before you
Speaker 6: even go into it. This is where you get your
Speaker 6: leg up. And the good news was on Nickelodola, we
Speaker 6: heard that he's got a reheab start coming up. Later
Speaker 6: this week and we should be seeing him hopefully back.
Speaker 2: I would say in the.
Speaker 1: Next ten days that one, you know, you can have
Speaker 1: Tommy John surge. We have acl all these things, but
Speaker 1: a blister there's no remedy for that is just this
Speaker 1: is Is this what Nick de Lodolo is going to
Speaker 1: be is like a pitch lights out and then be
Speaker 1: on the il for ten days because he's got a blister.
Speaker 1: Is that just what we should expect from him.
Speaker 6: I think there's going to be a day where he
Speaker 6: releases the book slowly of how to treat blisters on
Speaker 6: your finger, because I think he's gone through every single
Speaker 6: yel at this point. You're right, Like, I mean, we
Speaker 6: constantly hear in spring training about how he's doing all
Speaker 6: this and that and the other, and what he is
Speaker 6: doing to avoid them. But you're right, as far as
Speaker 6: like injuries go, it seems pretty minor, but when it
Speaker 6: keeps happening so very much, seems to really taint everyone's
Speaker 6: view of the pitcher. And I think that we will
Speaker 6: finally see a point where there's going to be a
Speaker 6: gallous form. I would reckon on that finger that he
Speaker 6: can control his curveball and still be an effective pitcher,
Speaker 6: but overall, like the whole blister thing was so funny
Speaker 6: because it also affects Brady Singer. You know, everyone was
Speaker 6: talking about and myself included, that looked like everything was
Speaker 6: good to go. I mean, obviously he made his first
Speaker 6: start of the season, but it was clear it was
Speaker 6: the second or the third in he was standing on
Speaker 6: the mountain waiting for the signal and he was, you know,
Speaker 6: trying to bite off the dead skin from that blister
Speaker 6: and get it off of his finger, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 6: it's still bothering. So you saw some control issues with
Speaker 6: him out there.
Speaker 2: And that's the biggest problem is that this.
Speaker 6: Little tiny thing on the end of your finger that
Speaker 6: forces you to just lose control of the most key
Speaker 6: of your game. That's when you're trying to make the
Speaker 6: ball move. So I think ultimately we're going to see
Speaker 6: Nick Lidla figure away around this because it's such a
Speaker 6: minor issue. It's just it's cropped up so much. I
Speaker 6: think people have lost belief that he can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeff Carr, the bench delivered in a big way
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Myers had to walk off Spencer Steer playing
Speaker 1: three positions, making all the white roofs, you know, outside
Speaker 1: of pitching, which is going to sort of self out
Speaker 1: at some point. You can't control the injuries and the
Speaker 1: eel and all that, but you know, just you look
Speaker 1: at an element. I don't think we've considered that as
Speaker 1: the Reds are pretty deep.
Speaker 6: They are, and they've got a lot of weapons off
Speaker 6: the bench, because it feels like in years past the
Speaker 6: bench has been full of utility guys that well, their
Speaker 6: glove works, but we're really not sure if we actually
Speaker 6: need to have them hit against somebody else. That's not
Speaker 6: the case now. And Dane Myers really showed his value.
Speaker 6: It's not necessarily that he is a long ball guy.
Speaker 6: It's that he's a bat on ball guy. Lots of contact,
Speaker 6: be able to hit you a line drive, gets you
Speaker 6: a single, keep the lineup moving. But he also has
Speaker 6: a really good ability and we didn't really see it
Speaker 6: this weekend, but we will at some point. His arm
Speaker 6: is elite. There's a lot of people that talk about
Speaker 6: how talented he is in the outfield and throwing guys
Speaker 6: out at different basis, and that's going to be an
Speaker 6: interesting wrinkle that the Reds add to their divisional matchups.
Speaker 6: Because teams like the Pirates and the Brewers and the
Speaker 6: Cubs and the Cardinals all know that the Reds lineup
Speaker 6: has been kind of suspect, or the Red's outfield, I'm sorry,
Speaker 6: hasn't been kind of suspect these last few years. And
Speaker 6: so you can run on these guys, you can't run
Speaker 6: on Day Myers. And I'm interested to see the first
Speaker 6: time that he announces himself in that manner. But you're right,
Speaker 6: the rest of the bench is full of guys. I mean,
Speaker 6: we didn't see Nate Lowe really provide the value that
Speaker 6: I'm expecting of him. He literally got one at bats,
Speaker 6: so it's really hard to belabor that point. But I
Speaker 6: think that we will see him come up in some
Speaker 6: key moments and give the Reds some key pinch hit
Speaker 6: at bats and get some starts at first base. And
Speaker 6: then the outfield situation between how he can move Will
Speaker 6: Benson in there, how he can move Spencer to Steer
Speaker 6: in there. Like you mentioned, Spencer Steer played three different
Speaker 6: positions this weekend. But oh by the way, according to Statcast,
Speaker 6: he increased his swing speed significantly from last year. It
Speaker 6: was around seventy miles an hour, which was below the
Speaker 6: league average to now seventy three miles an hour, which
Speaker 6: is above ly gaverage. We're talking about a stronger hitter
Speaker 6: at the play even with him moving around. So I
Speaker 6: think that there's going to be a lot of value
Speaker 6: that Spencer Steer brings this team. He's been a valuable
Speaker 6: guys to the point in his career so far, but
Speaker 6: I think that we will see even more from him
Speaker 6: this year.
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Speaker 1: off on Thursday. Then first road trip of the season
Speaker 1: is off to Texas. We'll be talking about that before
Speaker 1: they head to Miami and then back home again for
Speaker 1: the tenth starting weekends. Heies in Friday, fireworks and then
Speaker 1: so lots to talk about the interim. All the best, Buddy,
Speaker 1: Thanks for jumping on the show this morning.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you.
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