Speaker 1: You want to be an American idiot.
Speaker 2: Hey, on this stay to day, nobody wants to be
Speaker 2: an American idiot. Well, I guess you could be an
Speaker 2: American idiot. You're probably an American idiot last night. I
Speaker 2: mean there was a pretty good chance last night was
Speaker 2: the big drinking night of the year. Did you become
Speaker 2: an idiot on the day before Thanksgiving? One would hope not. Nevertheless,
Speaker 2: if you have this radio station and this program is
Speaker 2: open to you as well, open to all comers as
Speaker 2: you like, welcome and for Scott Sloan today, I am
Speaker 2: Kim Brew. Great to have you with us as we
Speaker 2: get ready for hopefully a gathering of family and friends.
Speaker 2: I know this is a tough day if you don't
Speaker 2: have family. This is a very tough day if you've
Speaker 2: lost a loved one in the last year. And I
Speaker 2: suppose it's a little bit different if your family is
Speaker 2: with you and you can gather with friends. But if
Speaker 2: you cannot be known too that we are thinking of you,
Speaker 2: we are thinking of you. I don't laugh. In the
Speaker 2: last half hour, when Steve Hawkins played the Turkey Drop,
Speaker 2: the clip from the WKRP episode all those years ago,
Speaker 2: less Nessman who I actually got to interview. I actually
Speaker 2: got to interview less Nessman when I was working in Tulsa, Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: back in the late seventies. Just a really, really nice guy.
Speaker 2: He was out there promoting the series WKRP. But I
Speaker 2: often wondered if the inspiration for that, for that Turkey
Speaker 2: Drop episode was something that I was involved in fifty
Speaker 2: years ago. Fifty years ago. Now, if you're old enough
Speaker 2: to remember this, maybe you can recall a hockey team
Speaker 2: that played in this town called the Cincinnati Stingers. They
Speaker 2: were in the WAJ for about four years and then
Speaker 2: when the WAJ at least four of their teams were
Speaker 2: assimilated into the National Hockey League, the Stingers folded. Didn't
Speaker 2: have enough season tickets sold to impress the National Hockey League,
Speaker 2: so they folded.
Speaker 3: But it was.
Speaker 2: Fifty years ago, on the twenty second, which would have
Speaker 2: been fifty years ago, last sets Saturday night, that the
Speaker 2: Stingers played Quebec, the Quebec Nord Deeks at what was
Speaker 2: then known as Riverfront Colisseum, and they had a giveaway
Speaker 2: and the giveaway was one hundred lucky fans had tickets
Speaker 2: taped to the bottom of their seat to get a
Speaker 2: free frozen turkey from Kroger. There were another ten fans
Speaker 2: who had lucky tickets to get a live turkey, and
Speaker 2: the live turkeys were released on the ice at Riverfront Colisseum,
Speaker 2: and then those ten lucky folks were given a sack
Speaker 2: each one a sack, a Burlaps sack to go out
Speaker 2: and get the turkey and put the turkey in the
Speaker 2: sack and haul it off. And I'm guessing there was
Speaker 2: somebody there to take care of the rest of the
Speaker 2: stuff so they could have the turkey for Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 2: It was just a promotion the team did. It did
Speaker 2: not go well. All of the live turkeys huddled in
Speaker 2: the corner of Riverfront Colisseum. I don't know how Peta
Speaker 2: didn't get done this one, but that was fifty years
Speaker 2: ago today, and I often wondered if the folks that
Speaker 2: wrote the episode for a WKRP that aired on October thirtieth,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight. It was a guy by the name
Speaker 2: of Bill Dile and then the series creator Hugh Wilson.
Speaker 2: They wrote the episode. I often wondered if there was
Speaker 2: any inspiration from that incident at Riverfront Coliseum WKRPI. I
Speaker 2: used to work with a guy that wrote an episode
Speaker 2: for WKRP in Cincinnati. Years ago. I worked at WSAI
Speaker 2: and they had an evening disc jockey by the name
Speaker 2: of Casey Petrowski, who was a really creative guy. Wound
Speaker 2: up going to Hollywood and appeared in several a television
Speaker 2: show series show. He was in Firefly and wrote an
Speaker 2: episode for WKRC. I'm WKRP in Cincinnati, terrific voice over actor,
Speaker 2: so there's a little WKRP history. But I often wondered
Speaker 2: if that episode was inspired by what happened fifty years
Speaker 2: ago last Saturday Night at the Riverfront Coliseum. Well tonight
Speaker 2: and what's happening now tonight? Joe Burrow is back as
Speaker 2: the Bengals go out to Baltimore and take on the Ravens.
Speaker 2: And there are still some folks who think the Bengals
Speaker 2: have a smidgeon of hope of making the NFL playoffs.
Speaker 2: They would have to go on the mother of all
Speaker 2: winning streaks. They've only won three of their first eleven.
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, Burrow is back and a lot of people
Speaker 2: are questioning, why would you come back, Joe? They're three
Speaker 2: and eleven chances of making the playoffs not good? Why
Speaker 2: not just you know, fold it for this year and
Speaker 2: come back stronger in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna ever go to somebody and say, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm healthy, but I don't think I don't think I
Speaker 4: should go out there and play. It doesn't make a
Speaker 4: lot of sense to me. I'm not gonna live my
Speaker 4: life and play this game scared of something happening, like, Yeah,
Speaker 4: something's gonna happen.
Speaker 5: It's football.
Speaker 4: Guys are gonna get hurt, Guys are gonna get concussions.
Speaker 4: You're gonna break bones, tear ligaments. It's a physical, intense game.
Speaker 4: That's part of this. And yeah, I've had injuries. There's
Speaker 4: not a lot I can do about that. I work
Speaker 4: really hard to have that not happen. But what I
Speaker 4: can do is when it does happen, I can control
Speaker 4: how I'm attacking my rehab and attacking practice and doing
Speaker 4: everything in my power to get back as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Night in Baltimore against the Ravens and right here
Speaker 2: on seven hundred W WELW. So what is waiting on
Speaker 2: the Bengals when they get out there? What kind of
Speaker 2: Ravens team is it? Well, it's a Ravens team that's
Speaker 2: red hot. They've won five in a row and they're
Speaker 2: automatically back in the conversation for an AFC North tidle.
Speaker 2: They're tied with Pittsburgh right now. Covering the Ravens for
Speaker 2: their official website Ravens dot Com. Is a good guest
Speaker 2: of the program I do on Sunday mornings here on
Speaker 2: seven hundred wyl W. He is Clifton Brown, Clifton, how
Speaker 2: are you on this glorious Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3: I'm doing fine. Can happy Thanksgiving to you and everybody.
Speaker 2: Absolutely right back at you, my man, right back at you.
Speaker 2: Nothing like having to work on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, you know how.
Speaker 2: That's what we do. And the Ravens caught the Steelers
Speaker 2: on Sunday, and I don't think it's any secret the
Speaker 2: reason why the Ravens hit that swoon is because Lamar
Speaker 2: missed three games. He's back now. I guess there's a
Speaker 2: there's a toe injury that's popped up, so this will
Speaker 2: be the toe bowl U in this game tonight. But
Speaker 2: is that serious? Is anybody looking at his his toe
Speaker 2: injury as being anything that's serious?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, they keep Lamar tell thing undergrapped as
Speaker 6: much as they can.
Speaker 3: He doesn't usually say much, does the of the excuse,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean I think that he has learned.
Speaker 6: This year, for sure, more about trying to play and
Speaker 6: playing effectively when he's not one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: He's had an ankle issue, he's had a knee issue.
Speaker 6: He's missed a day of practice the last two weeks
Speaker 6: before this week. So yeah, this is kind of like
Speaker 6: getting to be the norm that you know, he's figuring
Speaker 6: out that, Okay, I probably need to get a little
Speaker 6: more rest during the week. You know, on game day
Speaker 6: I could be effective. And so far he's definitely been
Speaker 6: effective enough for them to keep winning playing through any
Speaker 6: of injuries.
Speaker 2: He's not and I think this is understandable, but he's
Speaker 2: not really running as much as he did before the
Speaker 2: hamstering injury. And I think the thing he got away is,
Speaker 2: you know, he's he's an older player now with Tina
Speaker 2: tend to think of Lamar Jackson as being this this
Speaker 2: youthful guy. And even though football players to you and
Speaker 2: me look young and youthful, he's he's a little bit older.
Speaker 2: And then he had the hamsterring injury. But he doesn't
Speaker 2: seem to be running as much. Are those Are those
Speaker 2: the contributing factors?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that they all are chidectic.
Speaker 6: And yeah, the hamster, I think it's been the biggest
Speaker 6: fact that you know, he missed three games, as you mentioned,
Speaker 6: and hamstring's a tricky even after you start healing, you know,
Speaker 6: it's easy to re injure them. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 6: him running less is a natural evolution. I think of
Speaker 6: his career, he's become such a great pop passer.
Speaker 3: From the pocket. He doesn't have to run.
Speaker 6: As much as he did earlier in his career to
Speaker 6: win games, and I don't think he wants to run
Speaker 6: as much. And then, of course, you know, getting Derek
Speaker 6: Henry last year, I mean, why would you run so
Speaker 6: much if you could just hand the ball to twenty
Speaker 6: two and watch.
Speaker 3: Him do his thing.
Speaker 6: So I think Lamar though, wants people to know that,
Speaker 6: you know, if he's healthy and has to run, he
Speaker 6: can still do it like he always did, and that
Speaker 6: may be something you see more of going down the stretch.
Speaker 3: Of the season. And if the Ravens do get in
Speaker 3: the playoffs.
Speaker 6: Then I think he'll he may take the bubble wrap
Speaker 6: off and really become that dynamic runner we've seen before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking. I'm looking at their offense. They're best
Speaker 2: healthy as any team at this point. I mean, we'll
Speaker 2: see about Lamar's tow injury, but I know Rashaan Bateman
Speaker 2: had an ankle problem and officially listed as questionable. But
Speaker 2: I mean this is as as this season goes. This
Speaker 2: is about as healthy an offense as there is out there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's so much a part of things.
Speaker 6: They've had a lot of injuries early in the season.
Speaker 6: They were really decimated, you know, weeks four and five
Speaker 6: during their losing speak and you know, you can't control that.
Speaker 3: You just had the hole. That's a matter of being lucky.
Speaker 6: That played into in the NFL a lot, you know,
Speaker 6: being healthy at the right time, get having enough pieces
Speaker 6: to win games down the stretch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Ravens, you know, certainly are knocking on wood.
Speaker 6: But yeah, at this point in the season heading into
Speaker 6: Week thirteen, to be as healthy as they are as
Speaker 6: a serious advantage.
Speaker 3: And that's one reason why I think they're playing well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are. They're playing extremely well right now. And
Speaker 2: I think one of the concerns earlier this season was
Speaker 2: on defense, is was getting heat on the quarterback go
Speaker 2: out and they make a couple of deadline deals, and
Speaker 2: I thought, we're genius by the front office. Draymond Jones
Speaker 2: they get from the Titans already he's had an impact,
Speaker 2: and then Lohai Gilman they got from the Chargers, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, that defense seemed to kind of
Speaker 2: get a little more juice. Now, I thought those were
Speaker 2: master strokes by the front office out there. Would you
Speaker 2: be on the same page with me.
Speaker 3: No question.
Speaker 6: They've made an immediate impact and an important one. Jones
Speaker 6: he's just a baller up front as both an edge
Speaker 6: rusher and he can play defensive tackle, so that versatility fit.
Speaker 3: Into the way the Ravens like to play.
Speaker 6: And he had a sack and a half against the
Speaker 6: Cleveland Browns in their landscases.
Speaker 3: Jones made an immediate impact.
Speaker 6: And then Gilman, a savvy vet rarely makes mistakes. Putting
Speaker 6: him next to Malachi start to safety has allowed Kyle
Speaker 6: Hamilton to All Pro safety, to play three or four five, which.
Speaker 3: Only he can do, you know, moving up in the box.
Speaker 6: Playing linebacker inside or outside, playing defensive end, linsening, impacting.
Speaker 3: The run game, and now they can turn Hamilton loose
Speaker 3: because they have Gilban.
Speaker 6: Yet a defense over the last five games has really
Speaker 6: been one of the best in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one thing that I noticed that it just
Speaker 2: stands out and again, compared to other defenses that Baltimore's had,
Speaker 2: maybe it's not a fair comparison. They don't seem to
Speaker 2: be taking the ball away as much. They got seven picks,
Speaker 2: seven fumble recoveries. Is that getting any play out there?
Speaker 2: Because you know, again Baltimore's defense was always based on
Speaker 2: aggression and getting the ball. What's going on there?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean that to me is something that is
Speaker 6: changing since they started winning.
Speaker 3: I mean ten of.
Speaker 6: Those takeaways has come to the last five games, so
Speaker 6: they've gone from getting on any takeaways in the first
Speaker 6: sixty games to getting, you know, one or two a
Speaker 6: game during this winning speak. And they had a huge
Speaker 6: turn or takeaway last week ainst the Brown. They were
Speaker 6: about to go in for touchdowns trailing by which would
Speaker 6: have cut it to three in the fourth quarter, and
Speaker 6: Maul and Humphrey ship the running back in two to
Speaker 6: the two yard line. Gillman made the recovery and that
Speaker 6: really kind of sealed the win for the Ravens. So
Speaker 6: it's something that's starting to come more in budgets for them,
Speaker 6: and that usually happens when you start playing good defense.
Speaker 6: You have more guys around the ball. Now they're really
Speaker 6: looking for that second guy in is looking for the strip,
Speaker 6: And yeah, I think that you're right.
Speaker 3: That has been a thing that you're.
Speaker 6: At a defense that wasn't showing up early in the season,
Speaker 6: but now it's starting to show up a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a really big stretch for the Ravens.
Speaker 2: I mean, you got this game tonight with the Bengals.
Speaker 2: Next week, you get Pittsburgh in there, and then back
Speaker 2: out here in two weeks in Cincinnati. I think the
Speaker 2: division games are going to determine exactly who wins this division.
Speaker 2: I can't, for the life of me for see more
Speaker 2: than one team coming out of this division for the playoffs.
Speaker 2: But maybe who knows. I mean, everybody's beating up on
Speaker 2: everybody else right now. But I think it's critical if
Speaker 2: the Ravens are going to go and win this thing,
Speaker 2: They've got to win these next three games, don't they.
Speaker 6: Well yeah, I mean, you know, maybe they could lose
Speaker 6: one and still get in, but certainly.
Speaker 3: When you start one in five, you don't.
Speaker 6: Leave yourself much room forever, and that's what the Ravens did.
Speaker 6: So even though they've won five in a row, all
Speaker 6: these upcoming games are still hugely important, particularly the two
Speaker 6: head to head games with the Steelers. You know, it's
Speaker 6: hard to Steelers Ravens robbery. It's so intense that it's
Speaker 6: hard to get a sleep.
Speaker 3: But I think if either team.
Speaker 6: Gets to sleep this year to season series, that all
Speaker 6: private team to win the division.
Speaker 3: You know, their team has ever won the AIRC North
Speaker 3: three straight years. That's what the Ravens are trying to do.
Speaker 6: So it's going to be tough because of their start,
Speaker 6: but at least they put themselves in position now the
Speaker 6: Ravens where destiny is in their hands.
Speaker 3: You know, if the Ravens win their games, they're going
Speaker 3: to be in the playoffs. So they don't have to
Speaker 3: leave it up to anybody else.
Speaker 6: It's up to them, right and certainly at this time,
Speaker 6: you know, head into the last six games, this is
Speaker 6: when they want to be playing their best football.
Speaker 2: What do you think wins the division? Clifton is it ten?
Speaker 2: Does ten win it?
Speaker 3: I would sign up for ten yet and take my chance.
Speaker 6: I think that as long as one of in the
Speaker 6: Ravens perspective, as long as one.
Speaker 3: Of those ten at least one game against Pittsburgh, I
Speaker 3: would sign up for that.
Speaker 6: You know, again, if the Steelers sweep, to see this
Speaker 6: series tans Brian not going to be enough, but yet
Speaker 6: I would sign up for ten and definitely was up
Speaker 6: for left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. So you got two left with Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: got two left with Pittsburgh. We chatting with Clifton Brown
Speaker 2: Ravens dot Com Joe Burrow tonight, and uh, there's great
Speaker 2: debate in this town, but not only on sports talk radio,
Speaker 2: but certainly on social media and just the fan base
Speaker 2: in general. You know, the Bengals are three and eight.
Speaker 2: I think it would be safe to say that it
Speaker 2: would have to be a fortuitous long shot for them
Speaker 2: to be in any playoff conversation, But do you where
Speaker 2: do you come to down on playing a player as
Speaker 2: valuable as him, as opposed to say to yourself, Okay, look,
Speaker 2: it's not working out this year. Maybe we just wait
Speaker 2: and regroup and get this thing in twenty twenty six. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering what your thoughts would be on something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: I think It's a very interesting question.
Speaker 6: I mean, I respect Joe Burrow a lot for his
Speaker 6: desire to play.
Speaker 3: That's what you want from a player.
Speaker 6: And but the reality is, yes, they already have eight losses.
Speaker 3: Even if they ran the table nine and eight might
Speaker 3: not be numb.
Speaker 6: And then the type of injury he has, I mean,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm not a duntor, but you know.
Speaker 3: Those two injuries can be really debilitating. You know, I
Speaker 3: would think there's.
Speaker 6: A chance he could be injured, and there's certainly a
Speaker 6: chance what he starts playing that he could suffer a
Speaker 6: lot another injury. And he has been injured quite a
Speaker 6: business career already, and he's a great player, franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3: When he's not available, it's just really tough for the
Speaker 3: Bengals to win. So yeah, I mean, you know he's
Speaker 3: going to want to play. That's not even an issue.
Speaker 3: The question is do you allow him to play in
Speaker 3: this situation? But apparently, you know he is.
Speaker 6: It's they're leading towards playing him, and he's going to play.
Speaker 6: And I really just hope he stays healthy. He's already
Speaker 6: had enough injuries in his career. I hope he can
Speaker 6: get through this season healthy. But if he doesn't, there's
Speaker 6: definitely going to be some second guessing going on.
Speaker 2: Okay, so what do you figure the Ravens have cooked
Speaker 2: up defensively for him tonight? And how do you see
Speaker 2: this game playing out?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean Joe Burrow, you know, when you're dealing
Speaker 6: with him, any mistake you.
Speaker 3: Make, he's probably gonna take advantage of it.
Speaker 6: So the first thing is try and live in the
Speaker 6: big plays, particularly between he and Jamartiz once.
Speaker 3: If you can do that keep them from taking the
Speaker 3: top off.
Speaker 6: Or from Jaysey, know, breaking a tackle and making a
Speaker 6: long run aft to catch it, then yeah, I think
Speaker 6: they want to make them one to the minto you know,
Speaker 6: stop the Bengals running game with Joe and second and third,
Speaker 6: second and long, third and long. You gotta believe his
Speaker 6: mobility isn't one hundred percent his first game back after
Speaker 6: not playing for this ball, So yeah.
Speaker 3: Put pressure on him, put him.
Speaker 6: An obviously practic situations, and then send the pass rush
Speaker 6: after him and see if you can.
Speaker 3: Force him as a mistake. But that he said, than done.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a great player.
Speaker 6: I feel like, you know, he'll make plays, Chase will
Speaker 6: make plays. It's just limiting them and you know enough
Speaker 6: to where you do what you can win the game.
Speaker 6: You don't want to get a shootout with the Bengals.
Speaker 6: The Rings one two shootouts against the Bengals last year
Speaker 6: but barely escape both times. If they can hold the Bengals,
Speaker 6: you know the twenty twenty three points. I think the
Speaker 6: Ravens feel really good about their chances to win.
Speaker 2: Clifton Brown Ravens dot Com. It's always great catching up
Speaker 2: with you again. Happy Thanksgiving and let's go. We'll see
Speaker 2: what happens tonight.
Speaker 3: Thanks thanks to Amy can be good.
Speaker 2: You bet line on this game is seven. You can
Speaker 2: get seven and a half on some books, but seven
Speaker 2: is the line. Bengals plus seven kickoff is what is it?
Speaker 2: Eight to fifteen tonight? Right? Pregame show begins at four,
Speaker 2: they tee it up and they play and that's why
Speaker 2: they play the games. Willie more of the Bengals as
Speaker 2: we progress through the morning, and a lot of other
Speaker 2: stuff to get to as well. Happy Thanksgiving to you
Speaker 2: and your family from seven hundred WLW nine eight on
Speaker 2: this Thanksgiving and good morning. I am ken Brew for
Speaker 2: Scott Sloan. Wherever you are, however you're listening, whether it's
Speaker 2: this great medium of terrestrial radio or on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2: We welcome you on in on the first of the
Speaker 2: last major holidays of twenty twenty five. On the show today,
Speaker 2: how not to let politics ruin your Thanksgiving Day dinner. Now,
Speaker 2: we talk about this a lot this time of the year,
Speaker 2: but it's always good for a refresher course. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't want to go somewhere and spend three or
Speaker 2: four hours with family and just have it so stressful.
Speaker 2: So some tips on how to keep your mouth shut,
Speaker 2: and some tips when somebody else is opening their big
Speaker 2: yap other than the stick a piece of turkey down it,
Speaker 2: how you can steer the conversation elsewhere because this can
Speaker 2: be a stressful time for some people. Also, why are
Speaker 2: so many of us bored at work? It's boredom now
Speaker 2: that is plaguing a lot of businesses. Not necessarily burn out,
Speaker 2: but boredom. What does that mean? And if you're bored
Speaker 2: at work, whose fault is it? Is it your fault
Speaker 2: or is it the guy or woman you answer to
Speaker 2: the best and the worst airlines for holiday travel. Now,
Speaker 2: you may be in the middle of holiday travel, or
Speaker 2: you may be booking flights for the Christmas season, What
Speaker 2: airlines rate the best, what airlines rate the worst, and
Speaker 2: are the low cost carriers really the worst. We'll get
Speaker 2: into that before we're done today. And then also just
Speaker 2: her where the governor wants to aban NFL prop bets
Speaker 2: here in Ohio, I would say to him, good luck
Speaker 2: with that. But nevertheless NFL prop bets and why so
Speaker 2: many of us get suckered by them? It might be
Speaker 2: because we're not paying attention to the right things. So
Speaker 2: as you get ready to make your wagering choices for
Speaker 2: these three National Football League games today, it may be
Speaker 2: something to pay attention to. We are here right until noon.
Speaker 2: I watched the UC basketball game last night. It was
Speaker 2: not good from the UC point of view. No way,
Speaker 2: no shape, no how. I don't know how Wes Miller
Speaker 2: can can put lipstick on what happened yesterday. That was
Speaker 2: what they call a by game. In other words, you
Speaker 2: pay a school that you are by all means better
Speaker 2: than and should whack. You pay that school to come
Speaker 2: to your gym, to your arena, to wherever, and you
Speaker 2: put a hurting on that team in front of your
Speaker 2: home fans. You make the home fans happy they get
Speaker 2: some money, but you get some prestige. Didn't work out
Speaker 2: that way last night, sixty four fifty six, Eastern Michigan
Speaker 2: University from the MAC comes to fifth third and beats
Speaker 2: the Bearcats sixty four to fifty six. Eastern Michigan had
Speaker 2: some sort of zone defense that simply the bottomized, you see,
Speaker 2: and west Miller was talking about that after the game.
Speaker 7: The zone bothered the lineups that we had to play
Speaker 7: with on the floor tonight. We haven't we haven't played
Speaker 7: offense with a lot of the lineups we were playing tonight.
Speaker 7: And that's not an excuse by any means.
Speaker 8: It's not.
Speaker 7: I'm not in the excuse business. But we had a
Speaker 7: lot of stagnant and we're trying to run the action
Speaker 7: that we've worked on and put in. But we have
Speaker 7: people in positions that never been in and we had
Speaker 7: a lot of busted possessions tonight.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the box score, there's
Speaker 2: nothing really staggering about it that you look at and say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: that could be a problem. I mean, Eastern Michigan got
Speaker 2: to the line eight more times than Cincinnati. Okay, that's
Speaker 2: an issue. Eastern Michigan out rebounded Cincinnati. That's a real issue.
Speaker 2: But again, you know, the Cincinnati didn't have three of
Speaker 2: its big men, and I think that had something to
Speaker 2: do with it. Tyler McKinley, who started the game for Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: gave him twenty three twenty three minutes, but just two
Speaker 2: points and wound up fouling out. But there were a
Speaker 2: lot of reasons, I guess, strategically, starting with the fact
Speaker 2: that the big guys up front just weren't there.
Speaker 7: I'm not in the excuse business, but we're missing if
Speaker 7: you look at the roster we put together, we're missing
Speaker 7: three of our top front court players, you know, with
Speaker 7: Jalen Haynes and Baba and now Jaln Celestin, and these
Speaker 7: are all old, experienced guys, physical guys, So you know,
Speaker 7: we that obviously is a incredible effect on our team.
Speaker 5: But it's not an excuse.
Speaker 7: We got to collectively figure out how to you know,
Speaker 7: bridge those gaps. And that's that's the top that we have,
Speaker 7: and that's a will attach.
Speaker 2: Well, they get Tarleton State on Monday night at fifth
Speaker 2: third and then Friday night they hop the bus and
Speaker 2: they go to Xavier and that seven thirty tip at
Speaker 2: the Sintas Center of the Crosstown shootout one week from
Speaker 2: tomorrow night. That was not a good way to warm
Speaker 2: up for it by any means, by any stretch of
Speaker 2: the imagination. But nevertheless, there you go again, the Bengals
Speaker 2: tonight at eight o'clock, a ten to be exact. Pregame
Speaker 2: show begins at four. There's a line of thinking that
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow should not play in this game, and I
Speaker 2: never really understood that. I have to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: They're paying him hundreds of millions of dollars to play football,
Speaker 2: and the record of the team should not have anything
Speaker 2: to do with whether or not Joe Burrow should be
Speaker 2: able to do his job tonight, if indeed he is
Speaker 2: healthy enough to do his job. Now, he's not going
Speaker 2: on the field because he twisted the arm of Zach Taylor.
Speaker 2: That would be inherently irresponsible on Taylor's part to say
Speaker 2: nothing about what it would mean for the team doctor
Speaker 2: and for the team owner. So they're not running him
Speaker 2: out there because Joe says he's okay. And you know,
Speaker 2: all those medical reports that you have on me, pay
Speaker 2: no attention to them. No, he's been cleared by doctors,
Speaker 2: the coaches signed off on it, and obviously the owner
Speaker 2: is signed off on it. And understand that players are
Speaker 2: really not players in today's world of professional sports. Their investments.
Speaker 2: That's how they're looked at, their commodities. And they have
Speaker 2: a lot invested in the commodity that is known as
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. But he is paid to win football games.
Speaker 2: He is paid to play football. He's not paid to
Speaker 2: sit around if he's not healthy enough to play. So yeah,
Speaker 2: he's going to play today. And even though it would
Speaker 2: be really an exercise and futility to sit around and
Speaker 2: do the permutations as to what path, if any, is
Speaker 2: open to the Bengals for a playoff Berth. Look, they're
Speaker 2: three at eight. They would have to rip off six
Speaker 2: wins in a row. They've shown no signs of doing
Speaker 2: that so far this season. Their defense, and there's a
Speaker 2: great story today on ESPN dot com about how the
Speaker 2: Bengals may have the worst defense in the history of
Speaker 2: the National Football League. This defense twenty twenty five, and
Speaker 2: it's statistically supported by various metrics that are used to
Speaker 2: data analyze football players and football teams. DVOA is an
Speaker 2: acronym that you here thrown around a lot. Now when
Speaker 2: you read about football, that's defense adjusted value over average.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to bore you with the metric, but basically,
Speaker 2: it's an adjusted statistic that puts it up against other teams.
Speaker 2: Your stat on that up against other teams, and it
Speaker 2: compares you or your players. However you want to break
Speaker 2: it down to the league average on a play by
Speaker 2: play basis, then it's tempered by what other team strength
Speaker 2: of schedule is. It really is boring stuff, but bottom line,
Speaker 2: it's a metric to measure strength, weaknesses, greatness and awfulness
Speaker 2: of football teams. And the Bengals are flat out awful,
Speaker 2: historically awful this year using that basic metric. So yes,
Speaker 2: a run of the playoffs is a pipe dream more
Speaker 2: than anything else. But still Burrow wanted to play. He's
Speaker 2: cleared to play, he's healthy enough to play, and in
Speaker 2: his mind he said this was a no doubter tonight.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna ever go to somebody and say, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm healthy, but no, I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 4: I should go out there and play. That doesn't make
Speaker 4: a lot of sense to me. I'm not gonna live
Speaker 4: my life and play this game. Scared of something happening, like, Yeah,
Speaker 4: something's gonna happen.
Speaker 5: It's football.
Speaker 4: Guys are gonna get hurt, Guys are gonna get concussions
Speaker 4: and to break bones, tear ligaments. It's a physical, intense games.
Speaker 4: That's part of this. And yeah, I've had injuries. It's
Speaker 4: not a lot I can do about that. I work
Speaker 4: really hard to have that not happen. But what I
Speaker 4: can do is when it does happen, I can control
Speaker 4: how I'm attacking my rehab and attacking practice and doing
Speaker 4: everything in my power to get back as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And let's not forget Joe Flacco played really
Speaker 2: well when he was in there. Maybe not so much
Speaker 2: against Pittsburgh, but two weeks ago, three weeks ago against Chicago,
Speaker 2: he threw for four hundred and forty nine yards against
Speaker 2: the Jets, two seventeen against the Jets, two touchdowns, no interceptions.
Speaker 2: Against the Steelers, Part one, three hundred and twenty eight
Speaker 2: yards thirty one to forty seven, three touchdowns against Green Bay.
Speaker 2: Against Green Bay three hundred and twenty I'm sorry, two
Speaker 2: hundred and thirteen yards twenty nine to forty five, two
Speaker 2: steps touchdowns, and no interceptions. The problem while Burrow was
Speaker 2: away wasn't exactly quarterback play. Here's his head coach on
Speaker 2: his quarterback, Saint Joe coming back tonight.
Speaker 9: Well, difficult to predict. You know, it has been several months,
Speaker 9: and so again I'm not going to make any predictions
Speaker 9: on what it looks like. But again, he's put himself
Speaker 9: in great shape. It's good to see him through the
Speaker 9: progression that we've had over the last several weeks. I
Speaker 9: think it was a fair progression for him to do
Speaker 9: the seven on seven, do the eleven on eleven, get
Speaker 9: your mind right, try to get ready to play in
Speaker 9: a game, and then ultimately we'll wait and see where aliens.
Speaker 9: But I think it's been a really good progression that's
Speaker 9: been helpful for him and then everything he can and
Speaker 9: we can to get him ready to go playing a game.
Speaker 2: Baltimore's defense isn't great. It's struggled. It's taken the ball
Speaker 2: away a lot the last couple of weeks. It struggled
Speaker 2: to put heat on the quarterback. They addressed some of
Speaker 2: those issues at the trade deadline. If Burrow comes out
Speaker 2: tonight and throws for three point fifty and three touchdowns.
Speaker 2: That would be Boroline miraculous for a guy who hasn't
Speaker 2: thrown a football in what has it been two months?
Speaker 2: What was that Jacksonville game was early in September, so
Speaker 2: it's been two and a half months. Basically, If he
Speaker 2: comes out and does something like that and it would
Speaker 2: be Borrow, it would be legendary. But it's not fair
Speaker 2: to expect that, just as it wasn't fair to expect
Speaker 2: this offense, regardless of who was at quarterback, to consistently
Speaker 2: every week deliver thirty thirty five, thirty eight points. Remember
Speaker 2: that narrative, Oh they can outscore anybody. Oh, the defense
Speaker 2: just has to be Abbridge and all. You know, that's
Speaker 2: all they got to be. Because Burrow and Higgins and
Speaker 2: Chase can put up thirty five points every game. It's
Speaker 2: one thing to be able to do it. It's another
Speaker 2: thing to have to do it. So I don't know
Speaker 2: what to expect tonight either. I would think that we
Speaker 2: will see some vintage Burrow, will see how well he
Speaker 2: is at the thing he does best, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: and that's extending plays. Meanwhile, out in Baltimore, the head
Speaker 2: coach out there who has been on the job forever.
Speaker 2: John Harbaugh says that, you know Flacco Burrow, it probably
Speaker 2: from a strategic standpoint, does not affect what the Bengals
Speaker 2: are going to try and do tonight.
Speaker 10: They're going to stay on track, I'm sure, and what
Speaker 10: they've been doing is pretty much what they had been
Speaker 10: doing with Joe, So expect to see the Bengals run
Speaker 10: their offense with Joe.
Speaker 2: And then of course you have Lamar Jackson. Now, Lamar
Speaker 2: Jackson's not hurt. He missed three games with a hamstring
Speaker 2: poll and there are those who think that now that
Speaker 2: he's back, he's not moving anywhere as well as what
Speaker 2: he did before he suffered his hamstring poll. But the
Speaker 2: team is winning, and the cog that makes that wheel
Speaker 2: go is, of course us Lamar Jackson. There's no question
Speaker 2: about it. Here come the Ravens tonight. The Ravens have won.
Speaker 2: They're six and five, they won five in a row.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at point differential, which is always interesting. They're
Speaker 2: plus fourteen. You always want to be on the plus side,
Speaker 2: but they haven't really lit it up. By NFL standards,
Speaker 2: eleven games, two hundred and seventy five yards. That's a
Speaker 2: little south of twenty seven yards a game, and their
Speaker 2: points against through eleven games is two hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: one points allowed. That's a little south of twenty five
Speaker 2: points per game allowed. So they're differential is not great,
Speaker 2: but they are playing better lately. Not a great team
Speaker 2: at home three and three. Nevertheless, they are playing better lately.
Speaker 2: And I don't expect this tonight, but these games between
Speaker 2: the Ravens and the Bengals recently have been shootouts. They've
Speaker 2: been who's got the ball last is usually the team
Speaker 2: that wins. Lamar Jackson was talking about that this week.
Speaker 2: The back and forth, the back and forth. It seems
Speaker 2: to go on.
Speaker 10: Back and forth, you know, as seems like every time
Speaker 10: we feared him, move be going back and forth.
Speaker 6: Great quarterback over there, you know, great receiving corps.
Speaker 3: So just looking for it.
Speaker 2: We'll see as it goes on tonight. Yeah, we'll see
Speaker 2: as it goes on tonight. I don't know. It may
Speaker 2: it may not, but I do know this that if
Speaker 2: Burrow comes back and does what he has done in
Speaker 2: the past, that'll be nothing short of miraculous. Meanwhile, you
Speaker 2: got Jamar Chase, and Jamar Chase is back after sitting
Speaker 2: out of suspension for spitting. He really wanted to move
Speaker 2: on from it. When he was questioned about it earlier
Speaker 2: this week, didn't seem too concerned that it would affect
Speaker 2: his image long term.
Speaker 11: I mean, I have think of the day. I don't
Speaker 11: really have them to prove who I am. I mean,
Speaker 11: either you like me or you don't, I could care less.
Speaker 11: I'm still gonna go for that end of the day.
Speaker 11: I got kids, I got people to take care of,
Speaker 11: so I could really care less. So I'm going out
Speaker 11: there and be the same play I am, you know
Speaker 11: what I'm saying, and play football as at the end
Speaker 11: of the day, and nobody gonna stop me from who
Speaker 11: I am.
Speaker 2: Chase without Higgins means Chase gets probably man help, may
Speaker 2: get manned straight up, and it might be one of
Speaker 2: those deals where the Ravens say, you know what, andre Yosi, Vas,
Speaker 2: Mike Oseecki, Mitchell Tinsley, you know you guys beat us.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna let Jamar beat us. So we'll see.
Speaker 2: I don't know. The fascination tonight is with Burrow and
Speaker 2: exactly what he can do with having done nothing for
Speaker 2: two and a half months because of the injury to
Speaker 2: me that's the hook. That's the story. As the Bengals
Speaker 2: head out to Baltimore to take on the Ravens tonight,
Speaker 2: and right here on seven hundred WLW, do you want to.
Speaker 3: Be an American idiot?
Speaker 2: Hey a ten oh fix ken brother, Scott Sloane, Happy
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving to you. It was just checking the nine on
Speaker 2: your side forecast the weather department at WCPO Channel nine,
Speaker 2: expertly presided over by Steve Rawley. Doesn't look like we're
Speaker 2: going to get above thirty four today, but no precipitation.
Speaker 2: And I suppose that's good, right, because bad would be
Speaker 2: you know, at thirty four, you'd get you wouldn't get snow,
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't stick, you just get that crud that would fall.
Speaker 2: But none of that crud on this Thanksgiving. Just cloudy
Speaker 2: skies and temperatures in the mid thirties. I saw this
Speaker 2: stat we'll find the final stats for this year, but
Speaker 2: last year, nearly eighty million people traveled over fifty miles
Speaker 2: or more from home before and after Thanksgiving. That's according
Speaker 2: to about six million of US flew and more than
Speaker 2: seventy one million of US drove last Thanksgiving. And that's
Speaker 2: good because we could reconnect with family and friends. You know,
Speaker 2: we become a disconnected society would be a good way
Speaker 2: to put it. We tend to stay in touch with
Speaker 2: characters on Twitter or perhaps instant messages. Phone calls are big,
Speaker 2: and phone calls today were kind of like in person
Speaker 2: visits back in the bad old days of the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2: Now it's you got a phone call. My goodness, they
Speaker 2: must really care about me. But it's it's true, And
Speaker 2: forget about in person visits except for holidays like this.
Speaker 2: And I think on holidays like this, we tend to
Speaker 2: understand that we are disconnected society. And so today is
Speaker 2: a good day to connect with people that are important
Speaker 2: in your life. And maybe maybe ring a little bell
Speaker 2: in your head that would say I got to try
Speaker 2: this more often. But you know, when you get together,
Speaker 2: you gotta have some sort of decorum and filter. Now,
Speaker 2: this is a survey done by two thousand adults twenty
Speaker 2: one and older. And this survey found out it was
Speaker 2: done by Saint Francis Winery and Vineyards. Well, you're half
Speaker 2: in the bag when you ask these people anyway, so
Speaker 2: expect any answers. Forty two percent say politics will end
Speaker 2: to dinner quicker than that. Twenty eight percent says finances,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, don't talk to somebody about their appearance
Speaker 2: or way. Twenty six percent say it's over if the
Speaker 2: conversation goes that way today, And for gosh sakes, when
Speaker 2: your cousin Mary shows up, don't ask her when is
Speaker 2: she getting married? Because any kind of talk like that,
Speaker 2: twenty percent of the time, that's the end of dinner
Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving. So when we reconnect today, it's important to
Speaker 2: know how to connect because, as I said, disconnection is
Speaker 2: is not good. Somebody else knows that is standing by
Speaker 2: the way in doctor Jonathan Thorpe. He is a relationship
Speaker 2: expert and also the CEO of Quantum Connections. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure what quantum connections is all about, but maybe he
Speaker 2: can explain. Doctor Jonathan Thorpe, how are you on this
Speaker 2: glorious Thanksgiving day?
Speaker 8: Fantastic ken, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: We are a disconnected world, aren't we. It just seems
Speaker 2: like we're always looking to plug in somewhere where there's
Speaker 2: no plug. How did we get here?
Speaker 12: You know, no matter what measure you look at, most
Speaker 12: everybody agrees that this connection has never been worse the
Speaker 12: outgoing Surgeon General of this country actually called it today's
Speaker 12: epidemic on the same scale that smoking was back in
Speaker 12: the sixties and nutrition and fitness were in the nineties.
Speaker 12: He said, today, isolation, loneliness, disengagement is kind of corrupting
Speaker 12: our society in so many of the worst ways.
Speaker 2: I think it's also kind of put some fencing around
Speaker 2: our brains in this sense that we don't look for
Speaker 2: information anymore. We look for affirmation, and we tend to
Speaker 2: gravitate towards people and things that tell us, hey, you
Speaker 2: know what, you're right, Hey, you know what you're right,
Speaker 2: as opposed to trying to expand some thought and look
Speaker 2: for things maybe that we don't know about or never
Speaker 2: considered or thought were nuts. I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of that going on today too.
Speaker 5: What about you, Yeah, you're so right?
Speaker 12: I think on a lot of levels, the way we
Speaker 12: think is changing, and a lot of people, for the
Speaker 12: longest time thought our brains were hardwired and at birth
Speaker 12: you kind of inherited a set of tools that you
Speaker 12: kept for life. I think more and more people today, though,
Speaker 12: understand that the brain is really plastic and capable of change.
Speaker 12: And while that is good for so many the right reasons.
Speaker 12: It's also capable of actually succumbing to things like much
Speaker 12: shorter attention spans and this need for validation that you
Speaker 12: just described, and in memory, if you think about it,
Speaker 12: we used to have to file things away in short
Speaker 12: term or even long term memory. Today there's no need
Speaker 12: because you can pull out a fun and google just
Speaker 12: about any single piece of information.
Speaker 8: So the need to use your brain becomes less or less.
Speaker 2: Sure, And it even boils down to things like directions.
Speaker 2: Everybody uses GPS now, but you had to remember things.
Speaker 2: You had to remember how to get from point A
Speaker 2: to point B fifty years ago. Now you know, you
Speaker 2: just put it address in and boom, you're there. You
Speaker 2: don't have to pay attention to that. But I like
Speaker 2: what you said about isolation because I think there's a
Speaker 2: lot of that going on too. I think, and you know,
Speaker 2: everybody wants to blame COVID, everybody wants to blame the Internet.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's those things or something else,
Speaker 2: but it seems to me that as a society we've
Speaker 2: become more isolated. We've become slaves to that handheld device
Speaker 2: or to a laptop or whatever it is, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if there's a way out of that. Have
Speaker 2: you discovered a way out of that?
Speaker 12: Well, there has to be ways that we can at
Speaker 12: least try, you know, And I think COVID gets a
Speaker 12: bad wrap. I think the trend was actually going in
Speaker 12: this direction well before COVID and thanks in large parts
Speaker 12: of things like technology and things like social media. I
Speaker 12: think we started to see these changes that I think
Speaker 12: COVID only accelerated. But if you ask me for a
Speaker 12: way out, ken, I would tell you this absolutely understand
Speaker 12: Number one, that there's a ton of energy. That this
Speaker 12: is an emotionally loaded time to begin with. So when
Speaker 12: people travel and spend money and spend some of their
Speaker 12: precious vacation time getting together. You know, three and four
Speaker 12: Americans are getting together this year for Thanksgiving. The first
Speaker 12: thing you got to do is make sure you understand
Speaker 12: and read the room and understand how much energy is
Speaker 12: already present. We have it shortened attention spans. We're primed
Speaker 12: to react instead of reflect. When you think about politics,
Speaker 12: it's already an incredibly polarized environment right now, where you
Speaker 12: don't talk to too many people that are sixty forty
Speaker 12: on one issue or you certainly don't see about in
Speaker 12: the media. You know, it's suggested that everybody's one hundred
Speaker 12: percent one way and zero percent the other way. So
Speaker 12: understanding that this polarization is really being fed actively.
Speaker 8: And the last thing is is holiday expectations, right.
Speaker 12: We want the day to be perfect, we want it
Speaker 12: to be memorable, to live up to our you know,
Speaker 12: the rich memories that we carry, and so all those
Speaker 12: things make it a super stressful day. That's the first
Speaker 12: thing is taking stock of that. Don't blow that off.
Speaker 12: The second thing, Kenn is you got to shift. You
Speaker 12: got to shift away from your reactive nature and kind
Speaker 12: of move to a reflective or a listening nature.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've always defaulted this, and you tell me if
Speaker 2: this is you know, a week way out. I always
Speaker 2: identify somebody in the family that you know is either
Speaker 2: kind of like comical or quippie or can can do
Speaker 2: things on a turn of a note that can get
Speaker 2: a conversation, for example, Thanksgiving. Here we are Thanksgiving. Get
Speaker 2: it away from what it invariably walks into, which is
Speaker 2: that polarization, that political wall, and I pull that person aside.
Speaker 2: I know I got three or four of them in
Speaker 2: my family. I say, look, if things start to go
Speaker 2: off the rails with Uncle George, here's what I need
Speaker 2: you to do. It's no problem. I got you covered.
Speaker 2: I think you got to have some sort of designation,
Speaker 2: designated conversation turner at your table this Thanksgiving that will
Speaker 2: take you away from things that invariably would lead to fights.
Speaker 2: Now my week for doing that? Should I just should
Speaker 2: I just you know, just say let it go and
Speaker 2: we'll see where all the chips fall.
Speaker 5: My week for doing that, I don't think so.
Speaker 12: I think every every family's got the crazy Uncle Harold,
Speaker 12: and I think fortunately most families have the clown the
Speaker 12: gesture somebody to step in and save and redirect. I
Speaker 12: think that's healthy. But at some point, you know, can
Speaker 12: you you would probably want to say, maybe we don't
Speaker 12: need to redirect to save us. Maybe as a family
Speaker 12: or as a as a group of friends, we can
Speaker 12: actually begin to listen more, react less. And so if
Speaker 12: somebody says kind of the the off putting comment or
Speaker 12: the risky comment, you know, instead of reacting to it,
Speaker 12: invite them to kind of share the story or maybe
Speaker 12: the experience of why that their views are shaped the
Speaker 12: way they are. And so Ultimately, the goal might not be,
Speaker 12: you know, at Thanksgiving dinner this year, maybe I don't
Speaker 12: want to just try to find one more person and
Speaker 12: change their mind so that they think like me.
Speaker 8: Maybe instead the goal is, let me find one more.
Speaker 12: Person that I understand better, regardless of how they think,
Speaker 12: and that we can actually go forward and say, you
Speaker 12: know what, I don't Because I listen to you and
Speaker 12: because I respect you doesn't mean I have to agree
Speaker 12: with you. I would say that's probably a healthier posture
Speaker 12: to assume.
Speaker 2: So for someone that is putting the finishing touches on
Speaker 2: the covered dish that they're going to bring to Thanksgiving dinner,
Speaker 2: maybe it's maybe it's coming up here rather quickly, and
Speaker 2: you know, they're listening to the good doctor Thorpe and
Speaker 2: some advice, and maybe they're going through some personal anks
Speaker 2: because they know invariably that with a large gathering there's
Speaker 2: going to be something that even the quipster in the
Speaker 2: family can't get back on the rails. What do you
Speaker 2: tell them should they be all wrapped up and angst at.
Speaker 12: This point, I would say, don't ignore the emotion that
Speaker 12: goes into the day. There's a lot of pressure to perform.
Speaker 12: I would say, take a deep breath and pause and
Speaker 12: let everybody know that, Hey, this conversation, this meal is
Speaker 12: going to be filled with safety and fraternity and fellowship,
Speaker 12: and let's just enjoy each other's companies, tell some stories
Speaker 12: and make today being about our experiences, you know, and
Speaker 12: our shared bonds instead of policies that, in all likelihood,
Speaker 12: the five of us, the ten of us here at
Speaker 12: the table, aren't going to solve or change today.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You ever have one of those dinners though, Doc,
Speaker 2: I mean when you go there, it could be Christmas,
Speaker 2: it could be another holiday, it could be thank who knows?
Speaker 2: You ever have one of those dinners? And do you
Speaker 2: feel compelled being a doctor, being someone who's a relationship expert,
Speaker 2: do you feel compelled to step in? What do you do?
Speaker 12: I'm at those dinners all the time, Ken, and I
Speaker 12: think if the people that are sitting and eating dinner
Speaker 12: with me know what I do? Everybody turns and looks
Speaker 12: and says, well, what are you going to say? Can
Speaker 12: you pull us out of the spire?
Speaker 7: Bool?
Speaker 12: And you know, sometimes it's best probably just a smile
Speaker 12: and let the let the group kind of manage it
Speaker 12: and not step in. To try to feel like you
Speaker 12: have to intervene or save. Most of the time people
Speaker 12: figure it out and they kind of discover that maybe
Speaker 12: if we just give each other a chance to kind
Speaker 12: of be seen and heard, that a lot of really
Speaker 12: good things follow those two things.
Speaker 2: Doctor Jonathan Thorpe as our guest. He is a relationship
Speaker 2: expert CEO of Quantum Connections. Why can't we all just
Speaker 2: get along with each other? Doctor? Have you ever stopped
Speaker 2: to think why we can't all just get along?
Speaker 8: Well? I think we can.
Speaker 12: I think we have to change the way we think
Speaker 12: about difference. Right now, Difference is such a dividing influence
Speaker 12: when if you just reframe it, I suggest it's easy.
Speaker 8: It's certainly not.
Speaker 12: But if we began to look at difference as kind
Speaker 12: of a curiosity spark to say, I don't need to
Speaker 12: become that person or the differences that they display, but
Speaker 12: I sure would love to understand the better, to understand
Speaker 12: why they are motivated to think and act and speak
Speaker 12: as they do. And I think if we just reframe
Speaker 12: difference to say, hey, that's going to create variety, and
Speaker 12: we've got to have variety to actually form the solutions
Speaker 12: that we all need. To solve the world's most pressing problems.
Speaker 12: We're not going to do it if we all think
Speaker 12: an act alike. We have to combine different solutions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not going to settle the world's problems at
Speaker 2: a Thanksgiving dinner. Trust me. I just have a wild
Speaker 2: assumption that the world leaders aren't going to be hanging
Speaker 2: on every word at your Thanksgiving dinner. I think maybe
Speaker 2: if you approach it that way, maybe it'd be a
Speaker 2: little more more palatable for you. But I wish you
Speaker 2: and your family are happy Thanksgiving, Doctor Thorpe, And then
Speaker 2: who knows, maybe this time next year we won't have
Speaker 2: to have a conversation like this, But my guess is
Speaker 2: we will. What's your guests?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, here's for hoping.
Speaker 12: I think we can all get a little bit better
Speaker 12: and maybe maybe if we take a little bit one
Speaker 12: step forward, I think we'll be better off.
Speaker 2: Doctor, Good stuff. How can people find you? When? When
Speaker 2: they find you? What do they get?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 12: You can learn more at Quantum Connections dot com and
Speaker 12: here at our website. We offer personal development programs for
Speaker 12: individuals couples, but we also offer organizational development programs if
Speaker 12: you have teams or even departments that want to pull
Speaker 12: together and actually learn how to help everybody feel more
Speaker 12: seen and heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who wouldn't want that? Okay, Doc, stay well,
Speaker 2: we need to hear your voice and hopefully we can
Speaker 2: do this again.
Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks much, Ken, have a great Thanksgiving with you.
Speaker 2: Too, You too, don't talk about work in career on
Speaker 2: this list is what are you going to talk about today?
Speaker 2: If you can't talk about politics, finances, appearance or wait, religion,
Speaker 2: spiritual beliefs, previous role, lit romantic relationships, mental health and
Speaker 2: work career? What are you down to about that Uncle
Speaker 2: Joe's bad knee? Talk about that. That's good for about
Speaker 2: thirty or forty seconds, you know what, Just talk and
Speaker 2: take it upon yourself. If things seem to be going sideways,
Speaker 2: you know, stand up and say something like, oh my,
Speaker 2: what do you think Joe Burrow is going to do
Speaker 2: tonight ten twenty two on this Thanksgiving day. Great to
Speaker 2: have you with us right here on the home of
Speaker 2: your Cincinnati Bengals. Eight fifteen Kick Tonight four o'clock is
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Speaker 2: love it when Willie plays guitar and Sloan and Eddie
Speaker 2: whistled behind him. Now that's some fine entertainment right there.
Speaker 2: Welcome back seven hundred WLW ken Brew for Scott Sloan.
Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving to you as you go over the river
Speaker 2: and through the woods to wherever you're going for Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: dinner today. And if you're hosting it, God bless you. Everybody,
Speaker 2: well not everybody. I'm here right, Dave Keaton is here
Speaker 2: today working a holiday, but most of us are off
Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving Day. And that's a good respite because there
Speaker 2: is something that is creeping into businesses all over the
Speaker 2: country and it's rearing its ugly head, particularly at the
Speaker 2: worker level. It's not burnout, it's bore out, d ore
Speaker 2: bore out, bor out. What does that mean, well, borout.
Speaker 2: It happens when people become mentally disconnected or show a
Speaker 2: lack of interest or engagement in their work. You know,
Speaker 2: they kind of show up, but they're not showing out.
Speaker 2: It often shows itself. You know, when you're burned out
Speaker 2: with stress, some physical symptoms, maybe you're you know, you're
Speaker 2: not feeling right, maybe you're cranky. Bore out is just
Speaker 2: mined at numbing. It's like you've checked out. It's like
Speaker 2: zombie like you're just putting in the time to get
Speaker 2: the work done. I used to work with a guy
Speaker 2: who shall go unnamed, many many years ago, and this
Speaker 2: guy would show up for work and he would throw
Speaker 2: his briefcase when people actually still carry those things, and
Speaker 2: his coat his overcoat down over his chair and then
Speaker 2: would disappear. Nobody could find him. Nobody could find him.
Speaker 2: And what would happened as managers had walked back or
Speaker 2: other people that might, you know, be in charge, and
Speaker 2: they'd walk back, Well, where is well, he's here somewhere,
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's his coat, there's this The guy
Speaker 2: just threw his coat and his briefcase or whatever it
Speaker 2: was is. Yeah, I guess it was his briefcase down
Speaker 2: and then disappeared, walked out of the place. Hey, come
Speaker 2: back for maybe like forty five minutes, then leave again.
Speaker 2: Nobody saw, but his coat was there. That's borout. Actually
Speaker 2: that was a scam. But that's borout because you just
Speaker 2: feel completely disengaged on the job and it's costing these
Speaker 2: these these businesses money. This was the study that was
Speaker 2: done by the American Journal of Preventative Medicine. Disengagement is
Speaker 2: what they call it medically burnout cost US employers an
Speaker 2: average of four thousand dollars per year for hourly employees,
Speaker 2: forty two hundred dollars per year for salaried non management employees,
Speaker 2: and over ten thousand dollars for managers who are bored out,
Speaker 2: and over twenty thousand for executives who are bored at.
Speaker 2: Why is everybody bored on the job? Well, let's find
Speaker 2: out kind enough to carve out some time on his holidays.
Speaker 2: Dwayne Deson. I've had Dwayne on the show before. I
Speaker 2: wanted it him to come on today because it seems
Speaker 2: to me this is a chronic problem. Now, yes, he's
Speaker 2: a business strategist, but he read a book that I
Speaker 2: read maybe four or five weeks ago, right when it
Speaker 2: came out. It's called operationally Felt manage costs to increase
Speaker 2: profits and enhance performance. Who doesn't want to do that?
Speaker 2: He's with a group called the Efficacy Group. We'll find
Speaker 2: out more about that, hopefully as we press on with him.
Speaker 2: But for the moment, Dwayne decent. How are you on
Speaker 2: this glorious Thanksgiving day?
Speaker 8: I am very welcome. Thank you for calling.
Speaker 2: What is the difference between bore out and burnout. Where
Speaker 2: would the line be drawn there?
Speaker 13: Well, the big difference is, I think is with burnout
Speaker 13: you're much more exhausted because you're being overworked, and borout
Speaker 13: can be for a few reasons. Either you're underworked and
Speaker 13: therefore your board, or perhaps you're just not challenged, which
Speaker 13: is the other common aspect of bore out. Now there's
Speaker 13: they're very both have serious consequences. One, a lot of
Speaker 13: people are having accesses and people leave because they're burned out.
Speaker 13: But people that are bore out are not engaged and
Speaker 13: usually are not producing the best work because of that.
Speaker 2: Either way, it sounds like it's a management problem.
Speaker 13: Well, I would actually say two issues. One, it is
Speaker 13: a management problem where that means you're not challenging employees,
Speaker 13: you're not creating a dynamic, exciting environment, and therefore you
Speaker 13: and you're not helping your employees grow and therefore the board.
Speaker 13: So I would say yes, But there's also an employee
Speaker 13: aspect of this where you have to make sure you
Speaker 13: don't take a job that is not.
Speaker 3: Going to challenge you.
Speaker 13: If you take a job just because you want maybe
Speaker 13: a work life balance and low hours or whatever your criteria,
Speaker 13: and then all of a sudden, you're not challenged at work.
Speaker 13: That's a bad thing too. So I think you have
Speaker 13: to make sure that you seek opportunities as an employee
Speaker 13: that is going to challenge you and going to make
Speaker 13: you work and.
Speaker 8: Not cause a bore out certaint you know.
Speaker 2: I see this this Gallop report that says that employee
Speaker 2: engagement in our country fell to its lowest level in
Speaker 2: ten years. That was a report of survey I guess
Speaker 2: taken in twenty twenty four. Thirty one percent of workers
Speaker 2: say they feel engaged on the job. Okay, So if
Speaker 2: you're not engaged on the job, you're either not buying
Speaker 2: in right or you're not be given a reason to
Speaker 2: buy in. And I don't understand where the problem is here,
Speaker 2: because if the boss wants to make money, right, boss
Speaker 2: wants to make money, And in a lot of jobs,
Speaker 2: if the boss is making money, chances are you doing
Speaker 2: the work for the boss will make money. So how
Speaker 2: has it fallen into only thirty one percent here in
Speaker 2: this recent survey? How's it falling that low?
Speaker 13: Well, I think that set back to a little bit
Speaker 13: of the combination of employees are taking positions that aren't
Speaker 13: challenging them is one, and so that's creating a problem
Speaker 13: because people want to have this work life balance, and
Speaker 13: that's very common on the younger generations now.
Speaker 1: But then I also think that work is trying to
Speaker 1: become so automated.
Speaker 13: Now that we are trying to we feel like to
Speaker 13: be efficient and to manage costs, we have to make
Speaker 13: everything very routine and tight and and so there's very
Speaker 13: little variation in processes, and because of that, you almost
Speaker 13: end up acting like you're a machine where you're doing
Speaker 13: one function over and over and over again, and then
Speaker 13: you result and end up feeling unchallenged.
Speaker 5: Because of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is the second time that you've
Speaker 2: said the word or the phrase, don't feel challenged at work. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm looking for another job. I'm well, this is a hypothetical.
Speaker 2: I'm very happy where I am, but us I'm looking
Speaker 2: for another job and I'm looking around and I'm looking
Speaker 2: at various companies that offer what I do. How would
Speaker 2: I how would I go through the interview process and
Speaker 2: know that this is a job that would challenge me,
Speaker 2: knowing full well that the other side of this is
Speaker 2: we're talking about work life balance, where you'll take anything
Speaker 2: to earn a paycheck, to make sure that things at
Speaker 2: home are the most important things in your life. Nothing worried,
Speaker 2: nothing wrong about that. Certainly, that's that's a great priority
Speaker 2: for a number of people. But how do you know
Speaker 2: when you're out there if job that's offered to you
Speaker 2: will be a job that will challenge you and you
Speaker 2: will not become bored out? Great question.
Speaker 13: What you really need to do is ask to speak
Speaker 13: to other peers that you'll be working with and to
Speaker 13: get a feel for the company, to get a feel
Speaker 13: for what they do and what their job roles are.
Speaker 13: And then one of the questions you can ask them
Speaker 13: to say how challenged do they feel on a day
Speaker 13: to day basis, whether what's their hours are they do
Speaker 13: they receive additional training or other types of aspects that
Speaker 13: might make their positions more interesting. So, don't just take
Speaker 13: a job by you that you interview with your boss.
Speaker 13: You spend an hour with that person. You assume you
Speaker 13: understand a position if you can, and I think usually
Speaker 13: the most companies are very open to try to speak
Speaker 13: with some of the people that you'll be working with
Speaker 13: that have similar positions so that you really garner what
Speaker 13: they're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it would seem to me that the people
Speaker 2: that would be the most successful at this would be
Speaker 2: the people I'm speaking of, people who are not going
Speaker 2: to be bored out, are not going to be burned out,
Speaker 2: would have an ultimate goal. This is what I would
Speaker 2: want to do, This is what I want to do
Speaker 2: ten years from now, This is where I would ultimately
Speaker 2: like to wind up in this career that I'm building.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's probably old guy thinking, because now, I think,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, we have a society, particularly the younger
Speaker 2: demographic of it, that wants work life balance, and because
Speaker 2: of that, careers really aren't the issue here. It's jobs.
Speaker 2: They'll take a job as opposed to looking at what
Speaker 2: the long term goals are for a quote unquote career.
Speaker 2: Have careers taken a back seat with the under thirty
Speaker 2: crowd in your opinion, I think there.
Speaker 3: Is a problem with that.
Speaker 13: I think many people aren't looking what they want today
Speaker 13: and not necessarily what they're going to want in ten
Speaker 13: or twenty years from now. So when you are thinking
Speaker 13: about your career, you should be thinking about the long
Speaker 13: term aspect of that and make sure that you are
Speaker 13: working to that and progressing along that path and I
Speaker 13: think you bring up a good point about making sure
Speaker 13: that you're challenged and the other ways of doing that
Speaker 13: other than just what the employee provides you. You can
Speaker 13: go to your employer and tell them and say i'd
Speaker 13: like additional responsibility, take the initiative. You can look for
Speaker 13: training opportunities so you can expand your skills, look for
Speaker 13: processes that aren't working well and make suggestions and get
Speaker 13: involved in how to improve them. So kind of become
Speaker 13: part of a solution. And if you do that, you
Speaker 13: really add not only you're going to feel more engaged,
Speaker 13: but you're going to add a lot more value to
Speaker 13: the company and be more appreciated.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would have to think that anybody who with half
Speaker 2: a brain that runs a company would be able to
Speaker 2: identify a person like that as opposed to just some
Speaker 2: floater or somebody that's just trying to take a job.
Speaker 2: Dwen Dcent business strategist. His book is Operationally Spelt Manage
Speaker 2: Costs to increase profit and enhance performance. Look, this is
Speaker 2: maybe all topic a little bit, but AI is here
Speaker 2: and it's only going to become more prevalent in a
Speaker 2: lot of businesses. If you're somebody who is a line worker,
Speaker 2: someone who's not middle management, someone who is not in
Speaker 2: the corner suite, the C suite. What should you be
Speaker 2: doing about AI? Because it sounds like AI is going
Speaker 2: to take away a lot of the jobs maybe that
Speaker 2: we've been talking about here in the last couple of minutes.
Speaker 13: Yes, I do not think you're off point at all.
Speaker 13: AI is a big factor, particularly here because you're talking
Speaker 13: about people that are doing somewhat re team task or
Speaker 13: not challenged for whatever reason. But usually that's a sign
Speaker 13: that has worked that AI can do pretty efficiently as well.
Speaker 13: So if you are in a position where you're bored out,
Speaker 13: I do think you're more at risk being replaced by
Speaker 13: AI type of solution. And I think the solution to
Speaker 13: that is not to avoid AI and dreddic, but it's
Speaker 13: actually to engage AI. How do you embrace AI in
Speaker 13: order to make your job easier. May take away the
Speaker 13: boredom aspects of what you do and the routine aspects
Speaker 13: of what you do and try to make them something
Speaker 13: a little bit more exciting, so you know, you have
Speaker 13: the time to concentrate on the type the work that
Speaker 13: maybe you enjoy more, that's more creative. That AI really hasn't.
Speaker 2: Been able to do yet, or maybe take on an
Speaker 2: additional task or two at work, something that might prepare
Speaker 2: you for the next level up at that particular company,
Speaker 2: so you become more valuable to that company and stay
Speaker 2: a step or two ahead of AI. I mean to me,
Speaker 2: that would make sense, wouldn't it.
Speaker 13: Yes, And I think one of the things that creates
Speaker 13: boredom and more out is when you are when you're
Speaker 13: in the same position for a long period of time.
Speaker 3: So you should try to be on a.
Speaker 13: Management track of some kind, or at least a progression
Speaker 13: track of some kind where you are consistently challenged and
Speaker 13: promoted every couple of years so that you're not doing
Speaker 13: the same thing over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hate to say it, though, but Dwayne, you
Speaker 2: and I both know there are just some people that
Speaker 2: just don't want want to do that. They don't want
Speaker 2: to be motivated. Maybe it's it's just a function of
Speaker 2: human nature, but they just they don't want any of that,
Speaker 2: and they'll just wait for the truck to hit them
Speaker 2: at work as opposed to try to do something like
Speaker 2: we just suggested. And maybe the key for management is
Speaker 2: is when you're looking to fill positions. Who are the
Speaker 2: people that would seem to you And if you're a
Speaker 2: high somebody's doing the hiring, you should have your antenna
Speaker 2: up about this someone who looks and acts like they
Speaker 2: would be motivated for that. And maybe that's what it
Speaker 2: all comes down to. There are people in this world
Speaker 2: that are motivated and there are some that are not.
Speaker 13: Right, I think you're correct in that there are people
Speaker 13: that are motivating people that are not. But part of
Speaker 13: the job of a company is to help employee get challenged,
Speaker 13: and I think what happens is that employees might at
Speaker 13: first think, well, yes, I kind of just want my
Speaker 13: routine and just want to go get my paycheck and
Speaker 13: go home. But I think over time they do get
Speaker 13: frustrated with that, and if you do challenge them, I
Speaker 13: think they're more content and happy at work. So even
Speaker 13: if it's their instinct to say, you know, I just
Speaker 13: don't want that stressful life or whatever they're trying to avoid,
Speaker 13: I think sometimes when they're given an opportunity and maybe
Speaker 13: put a little preasure on to succeed and to do better,
Speaker 13: they actually grow.
Speaker 3: As an individual.
Speaker 13: If you are an employer and you find employees not
Speaker 13: only during the interview process that you think are not
Speaker 13: going to be the type that grow with you, or
Speaker 13: if you are employing people that are just stagnant and
Speaker 13: weighing down the organization.
Speaker 5: I think you have to make tough decisions on both
Speaker 5: those counts, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Dwayne the Efficacy group. When people go to the
Speaker 2: epicygroup dot com, what do they find besides a nice
Speaker 2: picture of you? And then what do you offer?
Speaker 13: Well, I do I help companies manage costs. And that's
Speaker 13: interesting in that there's a big cost waste when you
Speaker 13: talk about bore out and burnout and a lot of
Speaker 13: those aspects of it. So part of what I help
Speaker 13: companies do if I help them make a more vibrant, energetic,
Speaker 13: and attractive environment so that they get good employees and
Speaker 13: they don't have to overpay for employees. They don't have
Speaker 13: employees that are just not productive and not producing for
Speaker 13: the company, so it's a big cost rating for them.
Speaker 8: So that's the piece of what I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and probably pick up a copy of Operationally
Speaker 2: Felt Manage cost to increase profit and enhance performance would
Speaker 2: be a good starting point and entry point into Dwayne
Speaker 2: deson Business Strategist And look, thanks for your time here, Dwayne.
Speaker 2: I think you explain things rather well. We appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Let's pres it down the road. How about that.
Speaker 3: I look forward to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gallup, this gallup thing. Employee engagement in the US
Speaker 2: fell to its lowest level in ten years in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. Again, thirty one percent of workers say they
Speaker 2: feel engaged. Let me do my Ohio University math. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that would mean sixty nine percent of us. Sixty nine
Speaker 2: percent of us don't feel engaged at all on the job.
Speaker 2: Thirty nine percent of workers feel strongly that their employers
Speaker 2: care about them as people. This isn't Yes, this is
Speaker 2: a worker problem, but the cause of the worker problem
Speaker 2: is not the worker, by and large, it's what's happening
Speaker 2: above that worker, middle management, and then who sits in
Speaker 2: the c suite and dictates all of this stuff. And
Speaker 2: by the way, if you own a company, it's costing
Speaker 2: you boku bucks coming up on ten fifty five. It's
Speaker 2: ken Brew for Scott Sloan on this Thanksgiving Day. In
Speaker 2: a moment, if you're traveling this weekend, beware of the
Speaker 2: airline you have a ticket for, because it may not
Speaker 2: be as seamless as it would seem seven hundred w
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Speaker 3: Be an American idiot?
Speaker 2: Oh, whatever you do, please don't don't ever do that.
Speaker 2: Don't ever be that reflects poorly on America. Welcome back
Speaker 2: hen Brew for Scott Sloan Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving to you.
Speaker 2: I hope wherever you are today that you're celebrating this
Speaker 2: with family friends. I know that doesn't often happen, and
Speaker 2: I know that often on a lot of Thanksgivings, it
Speaker 2: doesn't happen for everyone. And for those of you struggling
Speaker 2: with the holidays today, I get it. I totally get it.
Speaker 2: And if you know somebody that maybe is maybe they've
Speaker 2: suffered the loss of a loved one in the last
Speaker 2: year and this is a really wretching Thanksgiving for them,
Speaker 2: or perhaps someone who doesn't have any family that you
Speaker 2: know of, knock on the door and if you're so
Speaker 2: inclined to invite them over, because these these holidays are
Speaker 2: great if you are a family or a congo conglobration
Speaker 2: of families, I mean anymore, that's what we are. We're
Speaker 2: hybrid families. But if you know somebody that is not
Speaker 2: part of a family today, maybe somebody you live in
Speaker 2: a neighborhood with, or maybe somebody you see at Kroger,
Speaker 2: or maybe somebody that you just know from your church,
Speaker 2: or whatever it may be. It's not bad to call
Speaker 2: up and say, hey, you know, we're having dinner today
Speaker 2: at four o'clock. Would you like to join us? We
Speaker 2: all have one thing to be thankful for, And it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who we are, And it doesn't matter what
Speaker 2: our financial status is, or what kind of race we
Speaker 2: are or ethnicity, how we choose to if we choose
Speaker 2: to worship. We all have one thing in common. We're
Speaker 2: alive today. We woke up this morning, and there is
Speaker 2: that to be thankful for. So on all of that,
Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving to you. If you're traveling this Thanksgiving, you
Speaker 2: know that it is an adventure. Thank god they've got
Speaker 2: the government shutdown over with. I can't imagine what the
Speaker 2: shutdown would have been like if it was still an
Speaker 2: effect for this particular holiday, because, as we've already noted,
Speaker 2: last year's stats showed us that over seven million people
Speaker 2: traveled on the Thanksgiving Day weekend, and a majority of
Speaker 2: those traveled by air. And if you're traveling by air,
Speaker 2: you do one or two things. You go to the
Speaker 2: airline you're most comfortable with, or you find the airline
Speaker 2: that you can afford. And there are a lot of
Speaker 2: good low cost airlines there are, they're not the best.
Speaker 2: You have to go in there and understanding that they
Speaker 2: operate on a slimmer budget and so because of that
Speaker 2: they may not have all the amenities of the bigger airlines.
Speaker 2: Finance Buzz, and I have to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I've never heard of this finance Buzz, but it reviewed
Speaker 2: stats on the numbers of canceled and delayed flights, mishandled bags,
Speaker 2: average arrival, and delayed lengths.
Speaker 7: And.
Speaker 2: They were awarding scores to airlines. Now, this survey apparently
Speaker 2: occurred over the last three months. Guess which airline scored
Speaker 2: the best. It's an airline that you used to have
Speaker 2: a hub here, Delta. Of all the airlines, its score
Speaker 2: came out as thirty five point nine. What does that mean, Well,
Speaker 2: fifty was perfect. Delta scored thirty five point nine. Right
Speaker 2: behind it was Hawaiian Air at thirty two point nine.
Speaker 2: Sure there's a weather reason for that, and then came
Speaker 2: Southwest at twenty seven. And again this is a conglomeration
Speaker 2: of stats flights delayed, flights canceled, average delay length, and
Speaker 2: the percentage of mishandled bags. Low cost airlines Frontier eighteen
Speaker 2: point seven, Allegiant eighteen point four, American not much better.
Speaker 2: They came in at twenty. The average flight delay for
Speaker 2: Delta was sixty five minutes. That doesn't sound great, but
Speaker 2: it was sixty six for United, seventy five for American,
Speaker 2: seventy five for Allegiant. So what does all this mean?
Speaker 2: And if you're flying, if you've already bought a ticket
Speaker 2: for this weekend, well, you know what, You're stuck with
Speaker 2: the ticket you got. But if you're thinking of buying
Speaker 2: a ticket for travel later in this holiday season, listen up.
Speaker 2: Brandon Blewett is about to weigh in, Say ken, Who
Speaker 2: is Brandon Blewett. Well, he's an expert on airline passenger
Speaker 2: experience and has written a book which is a really
Speaker 2: funny book, How to Avoid Strangers on Airplanes, Survival Guide
Speaker 2: for the frequent business traveler. He liges in so many
Speaker 2: miles on airlines it equals seventy round trips around the world.
Speaker 2: And he's standing by the way in on exactly what
Speaker 2: this Finance Buzz rating and scorecard was all about and
Speaker 2: Brandon blew it. How are you on this glorious Thanksgiving day?
Speaker 5: You know what, I'm good. My flight was not delayed.
Speaker 5: So what more can I say?
Speaker 2: You're so you're the guy? Okay, you're the guy.
Speaker 5: I have his play delayed.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at these numbers here. They're not very good,
Speaker 2: even for Delta, which is the top rated airline here
Speaker 2: in terms of percentage of flights delayed, percentage of flights canceled,
Speaker 2: the average delay length, the average of mishandled bags. I mean,
Speaker 2: the numbers here are not good. So I guess I'm
Speaker 2: asking is is Delta the king of the hill? And
Speaker 2: if so, what hill is it king of?
Speaker 14: It's really interesting the list of Finance Buzz put out right,
Speaker 14: because how they factored it is what's the most disruptive
Speaker 14: and what is the least dependable? Probably depends on you
Speaker 14: know how often you travel, and you know what your
Speaker 14: travel plans are.
Speaker 5: Because for me, I travel every week.
Speaker 14: So if a flight's delayed, yes that's annoying, but it's
Speaker 14: not going to be devastating. So a flight cancelation would
Speaker 14: be the bigger drawback for me. You know, I'm looking
Speaker 14: through the you know, the stats, and it looked like,
Speaker 14: you know, Delta, you know, score the best in almost
Speaker 14: you know, every category.
Speaker 5: So look, they have, they have a stellar reputation.
Speaker 14: I lived in Atlanta four eleven years, flew them every
Speaker 14: week and generally had a very very positive experience with them.
Speaker 14: So I do think that they are you know, king
Speaker 14: of the hill, so to speak, based on the latest ratings.
Speaker 14: I also think with airlines that you mentioned that the
Speaker 14: ratings aren't that good for all of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fair. I do think that the.
Speaker 14: Airline industry in general has to deal with so many
Speaker 14: external factors that a lot of other businesses don't have
Speaker 14: to deal with, you know, namely weather. If you have
Speaker 14: a hub and spoke model and a storm rolls through
Speaker 14: your hub, that's just going to cause the chain reaction
Speaker 14: of bad events that happen, you know, across your entire network.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, no, that's true. There's a lot of things
Speaker 2: that are outside the airlines controlled, there's no question about that.
Speaker 2: And just the skies are jammed, let's face it. I mean,
Speaker 2: these air traffic controllers are They're wizards and make holding
Speaker 2: this work. But I'd be interested to drill down and
Speaker 2: see what they mean by number of flights delayed. If
Speaker 2: you leave the gate, if that plane pushes back sits
Speaker 2: on the tarmac, is it delayed because it left the
Speaker 2: gate on time? And the percentage of flights canceled? Okay,
Speaker 2: I think you really can't get around that one. All
Speaker 2: that much percentage of bags mishandled? Well, what does mishandled mean?
Speaker 2: Does it not arrive when you're there? Does it mean
Speaker 2: it's banged up? Does it mean you have to wait
Speaker 2: longer at the carousel for the bag to be delivered?
Speaker 2: Some of this stuff is on its surface, okay, But
Speaker 2: when you drill down, let's just take flights delayed. You know,
Speaker 2: there's some wadlines that say, hey, it's another on time departure.
Speaker 2: Then you sit on the tarmac for two So flights
Speaker 2: is a really kind of nebulous thing, is it not?
Speaker 14: It is, And it's even more complicated by the fact that,
Speaker 14: as I understand, the FAA used to measure it based
Speaker 14: on arrival time, so long as you were within thirty
Speaker 14: minutes of your scheduled arrival.
Speaker 5: So there's even a little bit of wiggle room for
Speaker 5: the airline.
Speaker 14: There, and I think what shall also see with many
Speaker 14: of the airlines now is we'll pad the flight time, right,
Speaker 14: So even if you sit on the tarmac for an
Speaker 14: extra twenty minutes because they have booked, say three hours
Speaker 14: before a flight that's likely only two hours and twenty
Speaker 14: minutes in airtime, you'll still wind up that your destination
Speaker 14: on time, so as I understand, and what they use
Speaker 14: here to calculate was not based on when you leave
Speaker 14: the gate. It's based on when the plane arrives at
Speaker 14: the gate of your destination.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, okay, So.
Speaker 2: Out of a score of fifty, Delta was overall thirty
Speaker 2: five point nine, and the rest of the airlines that
Speaker 2: we would fly here in this area of the country
Speaker 2: would not stack up all that well. I guess the
Speaker 2: next ranked one was Hawaiian Air, but obviously Cincinnati. He's
Speaker 2: gotten far away from Hawaii's you can get.
Speaker 14: When you're only flying between the California and Hawaii, the
Speaker 14: weather's always perfect, you're probably not going to be a
Speaker 14: subject to most of the elements of the rest of
Speaker 14: the country as well.
Speaker 2: But when you get to airlines like United and Spirit
Speaker 2: and American in Frontier and Allegian and the Jet Blue,
Speaker 2: and Southwest you're talking basically fifty percent. If the score
Speaker 2: is fifty these airlines are all scoring below twenty five percent.
Speaker 2: So that's not good, is it?
Speaker 5: No, it's not.
Speaker 14: And if you look at Southwest in particular, so for
Speaker 14: Southwest and percent of percent of flights canceled, you'll notice
Speaker 14: THEIRS is two point four percent, which is higher than
Speaker 14: I think almost every other airlines stay of Alaska. If
Speaker 14: you look at Delta, United, an American, you'll see they're
Speaker 14: all below one percent. And the reason for that is
Speaker 14: that Delta American and United have a hub and spoke model,
Speaker 14: so they within their network they have call it eight
Speaker 14: to ten airports where all of their show and they
Speaker 14: all leave there. So if you're able to fly people
Speaker 14: to that hub, the likelihood that they can get a
Speaker 14: new plane, get a new crew. If something you know
Speaker 14: where to go wrong, you know your inbound crew or
Speaker 14: your inbound plane are delayed, they can mobilize. They have
Speaker 14: mechanical operations at those the at those airports, and so
Speaker 14: they're able to get things moving.
Speaker 5: When you see airlines like.
Speaker 14: South West, they're more of a point to point airline,
Speaker 14: so they don't fly everything into one You know, into
Speaker 14: eight to ten airports and everything goes from there. So
Speaker 14: if a flight gets delayed or canceled, it causes a
Speaker 14: serious chain of the events where all these subsequent flights
Speaker 14: that were depending on that aircraft could get canceled. And
Speaker 14: then airlines like you know, Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant, you know
Speaker 14: Jet Blue, to some extent, they just have a very
Speaker 14: limited network and so if a flight gets canceled or
Speaker 14: a flag gets severely delayed, it just creates, you know,
Speaker 14: math chaos within the system for the rest of the day.
Speaker 2: Well, and that brings me to the to the cheap
Speaker 2: or low cost airlines, Frontier Allegiant, They're both way down
Speaker 2: the list. Frontier eighteen point seven out of fifty, Allegiant
Speaker 2: eighteen point four out of fifty. They are delayed percentages
Speaker 2: right around twenty five percent, cancelations right around two sent
Speaker 2: a little better for Frontier. Maybe it's me I fly
Speaker 2: Allegiant a lot. I like the airline. I just want
Speaker 2: to get to where I'm going. I don't I don't need,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of frills. Most of their flights
Speaker 2: to where I go are less than two hours. But
Speaker 2: why would Frontier an Allegiant be that way, allegiant is
Speaker 2: point to point I think you just mentioned that, you know,
Speaker 2: will do I mean a plane will fly from Cincinnati
Speaker 2: to Fort Lauderdale and turn around to I'm back from
Speaker 2: Fort Lauderdale to Cincinnati. So the stress is on that
Speaker 2: is on that particular crew, on that particular flight, on
Speaker 2: that particular situation, because if you strand a bunch of
Speaker 2: passengers in Cincinnati, you're also stranding a bunch of passengers
Speaker 2: in in Fort Lauderdale. They're not going to fly another
Speaker 2: play plane end to grab a bunch of people from
Speaker 2: Fort Lauderdale. So but why don't they rates so low?
Speaker 2: I don't I don't understand that.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 14: They also they don't have the same number of aircraft.
Speaker 14: If you look at the number of aircraft in the
Speaker 14: fleets for you know, Delta, American, United and probably Southwest,
Speaker 14: they have a lot more planes. So if something goes
Speaker 14: wrong and a plane has to be taken off shelf
Speaker 14: for for an extended period of time, there's there's not
Speaker 14: just let's go get the plane that's at you know,
Speaker 14: East seventeen. You know, if you're at DFW and bring
Speaker 14: it over here, because you know it was you know,
Speaker 14: just brought back into commission per maintenance. It just it
Speaker 14: causes a cascade that it's really really hard for those
Speaker 14: for those airlines, you know, like Allegiate like Frontier to
Speaker 14: catch up from.
Speaker 2: That makes sense. Brandon Blew It's an expert on airline
Speaker 2: passenger experience. He's the author of How to Avoid Strangers
Speaker 2: on Airplanes survival guide for the frequent business traveler. How
Speaker 2: do you avoid strangers on airplanes? They're all strangers. You
Speaker 2: just wrought the stranger that doesn't talk to you right.
Speaker 5: By my book that you hold up the cover and
Speaker 5: people get the points.
Speaker 7: Go.
Speaker 2: It's all in. It's all in the jacket. It's all
Speaker 2: in the jacket. What did you exactly what did you
Speaker 2: make of transfer to As Secretary Sean Duffy is saying
Speaker 2: this week that he wants people to dress up more
Speaker 2: on airlines and flights and not wear pajamas or I
Speaker 2: guess like sweatpants and things like that that hopefully if
Speaker 2: you dress better there would be fewer I guess, fistfights
Speaker 2: on the Spirit airlines. But my point being is, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like we have gotten sloppy. I'm old
Speaker 2: enough to remember when you literally did get dressed up
Speaker 2: to fly on an airplane. Those days have long gone.
Speaker 2: But what did you make of what he had to
Speaker 2: say this week?
Speaker 5: I actually agree with it wholeheartedly. I think that when
Speaker 5: you I'm not saying that.
Speaker 14: Everyone needs to go back to wearing a suit and
Speaker 14: high right, But I do think there is an element
Speaker 14: if you're showing up in pajama pants and flip flops
Speaker 14: and you know, hoodie, something that you would only wear
Speaker 14: your home, you start to view your surroundings out in
Speaker 14: public as your home. And I think that's when you
Speaker 14: think that everything should be accommodating to you and your wishes,
Speaker 14: and it's like, no, we're in an airport, we're on
Speaker 14: a plane.
Speaker 5: It's in a shared space. It's a limited space.
Speaker 14: And I've noticed, look when I you know, we do
Speaker 14: a lot of remote work, but when I show up
Speaker 14: to work and I have a meeting, and you know,
Speaker 14: I dress for the occasion, it elevates my performance. And
Speaker 14: I think that there is an element to that that, yeah,
Speaker 14: we we've gotten a little bit sloppy.
Speaker 5: And I think it it may make maybe.
Speaker 14: It's marginal improvements and passenger behavior, but I don't think
Speaker 14: it's going to hurt by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 2: No, I don't either. And I just think that decorum
Speaker 2: in this country obviously, has has taken a really sharp
Speaker 2: turn for the worst in the last couple of decades.
Speaker 2: And here we are today, And when you're stuck in
Speaker 2: this aluminum tube, uh for three or four hours with someone,
Speaker 2: the last thing you want is that someone to come
Speaker 2: in there and they sit down next to you and
Speaker 2: they got their pajamas on, and chances are they just
Speaker 2: rolled out of bed and they didn't shower and they stink.
Speaker 2: I got you here. Here's another pet peeve of my brand.
Speaker 2: It's sorry. I'm just gonna say, bring it. I think
Speaker 2: they should ban outside food on a plane because invariably
Speaker 2: somebody is going to come strutting down that aisle. It's
Speaker 2: loaded with onions and garlic or some other curry or
Speaker 2: something is just going to stink to high heaven. These
Speaker 2: airlines should say no outside food on this plane, and
Speaker 2: then and then and then some food on the plane
Speaker 2: for free. How about that?
Speaker 14: I think they we'll have to talk to the airline
Speaker 14: executives about about the latter point. I do agree with
Speaker 14: with your point on bringing obnoxious smelling foods onto the plane.
Speaker 5: I always laugh. I fly between Washington, Dulles and.
Speaker 14: Dallas Fort Worth, you know, at least once a month,
Speaker 14: and there is a Benz Chili across from the from
Speaker 14: the gate, and I just thought, what a what a
Speaker 14: horrible thing to eat, either before you get on the
Speaker 14: plane or on the plane. It should a minimum, should
Speaker 14: be limited to cold foods that do not smell.
Speaker 2: I worked in Washington, DC. I've been to the actual
Speaker 2: Ben's Chili and it is it's a landmark in DC.
Speaker 2: It's not I guess the airport. One is just kind
Speaker 2: of like a branch. The other is uh is in
Speaker 2: downtown d C. And I've been to it. It's very good.
Speaker 2: I mean, I like it. But you're right, you you
Speaker 2: know it's Ben's Chili about a block and a half
Speaker 2: before you get to Ben's Chili. So imagine walking down
Speaker 2: the aisle of a plane, either having just consumed it
Speaker 2: or bringing what wasn't on the plane. It's just it's
Speaker 2: it's just it's it just drives me crazy. Well anyway, Uh,
Speaker 2: this is interesting stuff, and you're an interesting guy. And again,
Speaker 2: Brandon's book has how to avoid strangers on airplanes survival
Speaker 2: guide for the frequent business traveler. Sounds like a good
Speaker 2: read for anyone that's boarding a plane this holiday season. Uh, Brandon,
Speaker 2: you stay well and hopefully we can visit again down
Speaker 2: the road.
Speaker 5: Thanks absolutely, enjoy it.
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Speaker 2: twenty six on this Thanksgiving morning. Ken Brew for Scott's
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Speaker 2: Good morning, I am ken Brew and for Scott's loan.
Speaker 2: Today Bengals football down the road. Of course, No t Higgins,
Speaker 2: he's out with a concussion. Joe Burrow is back, and
Speaker 2: so is Jamar Chase. After that spitting incident against the
Speaker 2: Steelers a couple of weeks ago, someone asked Jamar this
Speaker 2: week in his news conference if he's worried about his
Speaker 2: image now being a team captain and then you know,
Speaker 2: dropping a loogie on an opposing player and you know,
Speaker 2: lying about it initially, and he just this is what
Speaker 2: he had to say.
Speaker 11: I mean, I at think of the day, I don't
Speaker 11: really have them to approve who I am. I mean,
Speaker 11: do you like me or you don't. I could care less.
Speaker 11: I'm still gonna go for that end of the day.
Speaker 11: I got kids, I got people to take care of,
Speaker 11: so I could really care less. So I'm going out
Speaker 11: there and be the same play I am. You know
Speaker 11: what I'm saying, and play football as at the end
Speaker 11: of the day, nobody gonna stop me from who I am.
Speaker 2: See if the Ravens can stop him tonight they have
Speaker 2: not in games past. He is Last year he had
Speaker 2: went to town on the Ravens defense. So we'll see
Speaker 2: what happens tonight pregame show at four all the play
Speaker 2: by play with Dave Lapham and Dan Horde beginning at
Speaker 2: eight fifteen tonight right here on seven hundred at WLW.
Speaker 2: I heard mentioned in our newscast in the last couple
Speaker 2: of actually the last couple of newscasts, that Mike DeWine
Speaker 2: was on with Willie this week and he wants to
Speaker 2: work with the NFL to outlaw prop player bets. And
Speaker 2: my thinking is two pases out of the tube. Dude,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure you can do that, and I'm not
Speaker 2: sure you don't open yourself up to litigation from fan
Speaker 2: duel and DraftKings and some of these other books that
Speaker 2: are already in this state and making Hay I mean,
Speaker 2: he was not successful in blocking high school player nil money,
Speaker 2: which was just signed into law, So I'm not sure
Speaker 2: that or just became law. I should say, would be
Speaker 2: the more the more applicable term. But you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: once you once you've okated, once the voters have voted
Speaker 2: for it, once it's there, you're you're You're not going
Speaker 2: to be able to go back and say, well, wait
Speaker 2: a minute, that's not what we really want. And quite truthfully,
Speaker 2: by the time it would get reversed, if it could
Speaker 2: get reversed, he's not going to be around anyway, and
Speaker 2: he will, he'll be out of office. But I just
Speaker 2: don't think you can do that. I think you open
Speaker 2: yourself up for a lot of things that you don't
Speaker 2: want to open yourself too. I mean, it's noble with
Speaker 2: all of the specter of fixing that's gone on with
Speaker 2: the NBA and with Major League Baseball recently, but I
Speaker 2: think it's a noble offer. It just I just I
Speaker 2: think you're you're kind of wasting your time there. But
Speaker 2: you can gamble today, and there are prop bets available today,
Speaker 2: and what better source to turn to for wagering information
Speaker 2: is our next guest. He is the wagering guru at
Speaker 2: Pro Footballfocus dot Com. As a matter of fact, Pro
Speaker 2: Footballfocus dot Com kind of takes the guesswork out of
Speaker 2: making money when you wager legally, of course, and Mason
Speaker 2: Cameron's here to talk about all of that as we
Speaker 2: count down to NFL games that begin here in less
Speaker 2: than an hour. Mason Cameron, how are you on this
Speaker 2: glorious Thanksgiving Day?
Speaker 1: And I'm good.
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 5: Always a good day.
Speaker 2: To be on here with you, God bless you. I
Speaker 2: love it when you say that. Look, is it fair
Speaker 2: to say that. I think a lot of people they
Speaker 2: like the idea of gambling, but they don't really have
Speaker 2: the knowledge that they need when it comes to gambling.
Speaker 2: I says there's a lot of people out there that
Speaker 2: like the action, but they don't know how to play
Speaker 2: the action. Is that a fair assessment?
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean I would say that that is a
Speaker 15: great assessment of the situation. You know, ninety five percent
Speaker 15: of the betting public really doesn't quite understand some of
Speaker 15: the new wants that go into wagering on the NFL.
Speaker 15: And you know, the books have been around for a
Speaker 15: long time. They know what they're doing. They're sharp for
Speaker 15: a reason, and it's difficult to find edges against them
Speaker 15: if you don't really know where to look or if
Speaker 15: you're going, you know, with your guts. So it's it's
Speaker 15: one of those things where the casual better. You know,
Speaker 15: they tend to lean in on the vibes, and you
Speaker 15: know they bet with incomplete info, you know, name value
Speaker 15: things like that.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times you know, a
Speaker 1: buddy of mine, you know, in the group, Chech goes
Speaker 1: he's due, He's due for a big one. And that's
Speaker 1: that's just not how this goes.
Speaker 15: When we talk about what sharps do, sharps bet with
Speaker 15: data and expected value margins.
Speaker 3: So when we talk.
Speaker 15: About some of those things, the expected value is really
Speaker 15: when we when we see a line by the book,
Speaker 15: it has a implied probability of what the book is
Speaker 15: expecting to happen with this line, and frequently we as
Speaker 15: casual betters just don't take that into account.
Speaker 1: And when we have a projection based against.
Speaker 15: That, that's really where you get in between the margins
Speaker 15: and find where the real value in the market are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the gut angle to that. You know,
Speaker 2: oh man, you know they've lost three straight so they're due.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, you know they played a three to four
Speaker 2: a month ago and they do really too well against
Speaker 2: that defense. And you know, running back X really knows
Speaker 2: how to hit, you know, the the outside run and
Speaker 2: where that's where it's going to go. He's gonna have
Speaker 2: a big day, you know. I think he's gonna have
Speaker 2: one hundred yard day. And it's like, if you're thinking
Speaker 2: that don't you think the teams are thinking that? And
Speaker 2: don't they like adjust when that happens. I mean it's
Speaker 2: like there are people, as you just said, I think
Speaker 2: in so many words, there are people out there that
Speaker 2: just know more than you do. I think gut, I
Speaker 2: think gut. Anything is bad. They trust your gut. No,
Speaker 2: I'm not no analyze it and make your best call
Speaker 2: anything in life, but certainly.
Speaker 1: With game right Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 15: I mean your gut might tell you one thing, but
Speaker 15: when you break into the data, it can tell you
Speaker 15: something entirely different in regards to where you should be targeting.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of this.
Speaker 15: Stuff comes from It's a similar thing with fantasy football.
Speaker 15: A lot of this comes with name value and people see, oh,
Speaker 15: I have X receiver that I have to play every
Speaker 15: single week because you.
Speaker 1: Know I drafted him highly or something like that.
Speaker 15: It's a very similar thing where the public loves to
Speaker 15: bet on guys that are bigger names, and sometimes that's
Speaker 15: just not where it is.
Speaker 1: Because the books pay attention to.
Speaker 15: They bet these lines, they know where the money's coming in,
Speaker 15: and they adjust accordingly.
Speaker 2: So you've got this thing at pro Footballfocus dot Com.
Speaker 2: It's the player prop tool, and we talked about gut.
Speaker 2: Now this tool obviously collates and gets as much information
Speaker 2: to the betting public as possible. But this one is fascinating.
Speaker 2: I think is getting burnt by overs, getting burnt by
Speaker 2: an over. To me, if you get burned there, that's
Speaker 2: like the easiest thing to fix, because you should never
Speaker 2: be getting burnt by overs. Is that one of the
Speaker 2: easiest things to fix?
Speaker 1: I would say, Yet it's so overs all in all
Speaker 1: aren't all bad.
Speaker 15: It's just you have to be more selective with the
Speaker 15: matchups in the spot that you pick. It sort of
Speaker 15: goes into what we were just saying, where the casual
Speaker 15: betters they go to take the big name to go
Speaker 15: over big lines, and that's just not where the value
Speaker 15: lies in the market. The real game of betting is
Speaker 15: finding the value versus what the book is expecting. So
Speaker 15: just an example, say Von Barkley. We all know excellent player,
Speaker 15: excellent running back, phenomenal dude, and he continues to be
Speaker 15: priced very, very high with both his average yardage line
Speaker 15: this season sits around about eighty two and a half yards.
Speaker 1: That's insane when we.
Speaker 15: Talk about he's only exceeded that expectation three times this season,
Speaker 15: so betters are going to continue to go and pour
Speaker 15: money on his overs where even when it doesn't really
Speaker 15: match up.
Speaker 1: The underplays are strong there.
Speaker 15: Now, it's not just the sweeping, you know, proclamation of
Speaker 15: only take unders. It's more of a we have to
Speaker 15: be more selective with our over bets versus where we
Speaker 15: take unders, because especially with some of these big names,
Speaker 15: the name value is priced into their line.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think what's going on with a lot
Speaker 2: of these folks that struggle with that is it's emotion.
Speaker 2: It's an emotional thing. You mentioned, like in fantasy football,
Speaker 2: you draft the guy, Hey, I'm going to play this guy.
Speaker 2: It took him in the second round. Even if the
Speaker 2: guys a stiff and not having a good season, you
Speaker 2: keep playing him thinking, you know, it's just a matter
Speaker 2: of time he's going to hit his stride. So I
Speaker 2: think what we're talking about here is distracting the emotion
Speaker 2: out of the equation and bringing more facts into the equation.
Speaker 2: Would that be a good way of putting it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: By the way We're chatting with Mason Cameron Profootballfocus dot Com.
Speaker 2: And I mean, it's the most analytical website for any
Speaker 2: sport anywhere that's out there, and he, as I said,
Speaker 2: as they're wagering, guru, give me an example of a
Speaker 2: player this year, don't matter whether he's a running back, quarterback,
Speaker 2: wide receiver. Give me an example of one player this
Speaker 2: year who is true to form to the stats that
Speaker 2: you have seen on that player before any given week.
Speaker 2: Is there anybody that just more often than not hits
Speaker 2: the mark.
Speaker 15: So it's difficult to say completely because what happens is
Speaker 15: books really do make these adjustments and they probably address
Speaker 15: better than anybody in the business on what they're seeing
Speaker 15: on the field and analytics.
Speaker 1: That they're seeing.
Speaker 15: But what we do see is that frequently it's these
Speaker 15: players that you don't really see a ton of, or
Speaker 15: players with lower lines that hit more frequently. You know,
Speaker 15: just as one example, Alex Pierce is a guy that
Speaker 15: I love to bet in situations where he sees man coverage,
Speaker 15: coles wide receiver, ALC piers where he sees man coverage
Speaker 15: or single high coverages, because that is a guy that
Speaker 15: gets the ball in those situations. He has a higher
Speaker 15: yards per route run instance in those. Now, again it
Speaker 15: really depends on how books are viewing this to see
Speaker 15: where the value lies, because again, betting isn't necessarily about saying, hey,
Speaker 15: this player good, but it's also about analyzing every piece
Speaker 15: of it as well as the probability of them to
Speaker 15: hit the line, as well as the value given based
Speaker 15: on how books are pricing it. So that's one example,
Speaker 15: and I'll have another one here or you hear it
Speaker 15: a little bit.
Speaker 1: I've been working on some of these Thanksgiving games and
Speaker 1: I have one that I like that I'm going to
Speaker 1: give to all the listeners here at the end.
Speaker 2: Sweet Sweet, Absolutely, And I guess a lot of it
Speaker 2: depends on hell too. By the way, Pierce former University
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati standout, and I think a lot of it
Speaker 2: depends on health. Pierce has had the same quarterback all year.
Speaker 2: A guy like Jamar Chase is a mercurial because Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow has been out for the majority of the season,
Speaker 2: So I think that too would have to factor into
Speaker 2: it as well.
Speaker 15: Right, Yeah, absolutely, absolutely circumstances. So just as a great example,
Speaker 15: this week, we saw lines fluctuate quite a bit regarding
Speaker 15: like a guy like T Higgins, where T Higgins was
Speaker 15: playing a matchup against a Patriots defense that is susceptible
Speaker 15: to some deep balls, is susceptible.
Speaker 1: Through the passing game.
Speaker 15: And you know, when throughout the week we're talking about
Speaker 15: Joe Burrow potentially coming back, and there wasn't really a
Speaker 15: you know for sure until I think it was maybe
Speaker 15: Friday when we knew that, okay, he's not going to
Speaker 15: be coming back.
Speaker 3: In the market.
Speaker 1: Itself adjust based on that info.
Speaker 15: So it is good to get in early, to get
Speaker 15: in often, and to really shop the lines throughout the
Speaker 15: week and find the right time to jump on a
Speaker 15: specific line that you might like, whether it be an
Speaker 15: over on a lower line or an under on a
Speaker 15: higher line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, Burrow is back, and you know
Speaker 2: he's he's playing in this game tonight, And I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering as you look at that game. I
Speaker 2: think the last and latest line I saw on this
Speaker 2: game was Baltimore minus seven. What do you expect from Burrow?
Speaker 2: And what do you think plays out in this game
Speaker 2: for Cincinnati win loss, or or what? How do you
Speaker 2: see it?
Speaker 3: So this one is definitely a difficult read.
Speaker 15: On the surface, I think that the plus seven isn't
Speaker 15: a bad look. It's a little difficult on the road,
Speaker 15: I would say, particularly when we've seen what we've seen
Speaker 15: from this Baltimore Ravens defense after their adjustments, So this
Speaker 15: is a great team making adjustments. What the Ravens did
Speaker 15: is they did a similar thing this last season where
Speaker 15: they move Kyle Hamilton around. They've had issues inside in
Speaker 15: the box, so they actually took Kyle Hamilton from a
Speaker 15: deep free safety look.
Speaker 1: They brought him more into the box. He plays more slot.
Speaker 1: He's up there with being one of.
Speaker 15: Their Petter linebackers, and they love to get him in
Speaker 15: situations where he can affect the game and where he
Speaker 15: can draw attention. So one of the looks that this
Speaker 15: Ravens team likes to do is they do a double
Speaker 15: mug blitz look where they bring Kyle Hamilton and Smith
Speaker 15: into the right onto the A gaps and then they'll
Speaker 15: stunt out of it and bring the pressure and.
Speaker 1: Bring the heat.
Speaker 15: So really a big decider for this one is going
Speaker 15: to be how Joe Burrow plays against the blitz and
Speaker 15: against that stunt look in particular. And he's actually had
Speaker 15: a pretty solid career sample of being able to beat
Speaker 15: the blitz, so there is some potential.
Speaker 1: There for the plus seven it's it's going to really
Speaker 1: come down to if the defense can hold Lamar down
Speaker 1: just a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the total is a big number here too,
Speaker 2: fifty one and a half. You know, I think they're
Speaker 2: banking on the fact that the Bengals defense isn't all
Speaker 2: that good and that Burrow is back. That's a pretty
Speaker 2: hefty number. So was that your special you were promising
Speaker 2: us here, Mason? Was that the special I got?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: You got another one?
Speaker 3: I got?
Speaker 1: I got one more for you.
Speaker 15: So what i'mk in here this week is it's actually
Speaker 15: going to be an over And this is one of
Speaker 15: those spots where we do, like I said, I mean,
Speaker 15: it is a bigger name, but it is one where
Speaker 15: the books sort of have this price a little bit
Speaker 15: lower than I would have expected, and we're going to
Speaker 15: sort of attack on an over margin here. But when
Speaker 15: I look at a guy like Jordan.
Speaker 1: Love playing Detroit, and we see Detroit.
Speaker 15: This is a defense that runs one of the highest
Speaker 15: man coverage rates in the NFL. And even with you know,
Speaker 15: they've had some injuries in the back end there, even
Speaker 15: with some guys potentially coming back this week, that's one
Speaker 15: of those things where man coverage is a difficult scheme
Speaker 15: to run at a high level.
Speaker 1: And when we talk about what Jordan Love has been
Speaker 1: able to produce against man coverage looks this season.
Speaker 15: He's the highest rated passer in the NFL against man coverage,
Speaker 15: and his passing yardage line right now is two twenty
Speaker 15: eight and a half.
Speaker 1: Our projection on the tool.
Speaker 15: Sits about nine yards higher than that, at about two
Speaker 15: thirty seven and a half.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, Well, we'll see that. Looks like a smart
Speaker 2: play as well. At any event, we'll get answers. You're
Speaker 2: starting at about about a half an hour a little
Speaker 2: more than that, Okay, Mason Cameron, thanks for your time.
Speaker 2: You stay well and we will visit down the road.
Speaker 1: Take take care.
Speaker 2: You bet, you bet. It's eleven fifty six on this
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving morning. Sterling is next on the home of your
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals. Seven hundred W l W