1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson again 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: at toe free number eight hundred eight two three eight 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: two five five And as I promise, it is time 4 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: for He is the Professor Emeritus of Horticulture, University of Georgia. 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: The website is Alan Armiti's dot net. On YouTube, you 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: can find him at Alan Armitage. Of course, he's written 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: about a bazillion books. Check him out at Alan Armity's 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: dot net. Has the absolute best gardening app you can find, 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: the Armitage app. Ladies and gentlemen, we call him doctor 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: triple a Doctor Alan Apple. 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: Armitage said, good morning, Ron, Good morning. It's always wonderful 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: to hear your cheery voice on this cool Chris morning. 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: Are you sitting by you have the firepit going this 14 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: morning in the garden. 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: Well, actually, I'm I came out to the garden so 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: I can see what the heck's going on out here, 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: and I'm believe it or not, I'm about to pick 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: some myer lemons, so uh, you know, it's chilly out there. 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: I got to bring this sucker in pretty soon, but 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: I got to cuddle these lemons on this little tree 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: that I have in a pot, which anybody can do, 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: by the way, and so I'm having a great time. 23 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: But my problem run I don't know what to do 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: with them. You know, I'm not a chef. I don't 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: know how to have to make a key lime pie 26 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: or lemon pie or whatever. So I keep giving them 27 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: away to people who visit. So come on over. I've 28 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: got some lemons for. 29 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: You your spa water, sir. You've got to put that 30 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: in your spa water. 31 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: I know. And I got to eat more fish so 32 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: I can sort of put lemon all over it. 33 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: And then you've got more fish, you can put more 34 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: lemon on it. 35 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, well, I'm glad you agree anyway. So life 36 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: is good. We had a bunch of people here yesterday, 37 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: and you know, garden is still hanging in there, barely, 38 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: but it's fun fun. 39 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: To look at It's always fun to look at it, 40 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: even as we get into the fall season. Speaking in 41 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: which today with doctor Rhman, he just pick his brain day. 42 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: So I asked him myself, just sit down in a chair. 43 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: I got a whole bunch of things that I'm just 44 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: gonna throw at you, and you can just throw back 45 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: at us as you see fit. And talking about woody plants, 46 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: fall colors and fall season. What about perennials. We rarely 47 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: talk about perennials with good fall foliage colors. 48 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: Well, to be honest, we look at fall color and 49 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: we think of trees and maples and you know, aspens 50 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: and all those cool things to turn golden or turn red. 51 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: It's hard to it's hard to compete with a perennial. 52 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: But having said that, there are some perennials that do 53 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: have some pretty darn good fall color. And I'm thinking 54 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: of one which is named to this country, and that's 55 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 2: what a plant that is called blue starflower, otherwise known 56 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: as Amsonia, and uh it's a great native plant. And 57 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: there's one that's a native little a little further west 58 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: than you guys are, and it's called the Arkansas blue starflower. 59 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: And it's beautiful, great foliage, nice flowers in the spring, 60 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: but it's at its glory in the fall. Believe it 61 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: or not. It turns gold and yellow. And while there's 62 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: not a whole lot of premials you can talk about 63 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: fall color with, that's one of them, for sure. 64 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: You know I I and it is. It's great. And 65 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: of course you know the other ones you got to 66 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: throw in there. 67 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 3: Too. 68 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: You look at if if we call them pernials, I 69 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: guess would be the ornamental grasses. So many of those 70 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: have great fall colors in the plumes as well. 71 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I think that that's one of the 72 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: things that readers of these ornamental so ornamental grasses are 73 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: kind of interesting. They kind of came out of Europe, 74 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: out of Germany mainly, and a number of years ago, 75 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: and we say, hey, this is cool because in the 76 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: fall they look lovely. They may not turn a you know, 77 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: a brilliant color, although some have a brilliant red to them. 78 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: But now we've got our own native grasses like tennessitum 79 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: and and and they boy, they really they really look 80 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: good and are cysts up finishing panicum excuse me, switch grass, 81 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: and the panicums really look nice as well. But the 82 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: one that really is fabulous and run them, I think 83 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: you've got I can grow it is one called newly grass, 84 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: and I think you guys are able to grow it. 85 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, but it's m u h l 86 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: e y or m u h l y, depending who's 87 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: spelling it. 88 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: Pink. 89 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. It's great newly grass and it has 90 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: great red color on the on the flowers and it's 91 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: beautiful in the fall. 92 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, we do grow that one. It's it's kind of 93 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: on the borderline some aris. It does pretty good. Is skimpy, 94 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's an it's another nice one. 95 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 2: You know what. 96 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: We are out in front of our studios here there 97 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: have they have these huge plantings of hostas and and 98 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: it goes down the whole side of the parking area. 99 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: When hostas turned that golden yellow in the fall, that 100 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: is a spectacular show. 101 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: It truly is it truly? We we you know, Hossa 102 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: has become so common, uh, assuming you don't have deer, 103 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: Hasta has become so common that we we don't really 104 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: think of them as this extra that is that fall color. 105 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: And you know, I agree with you. And hassas are 106 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: also great cut flowers the flowers themselves, so it is 107 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: really a wonderful plant. You know, we got to keep 108 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: the deer often, but other than that, they're terrific. 109 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. You know, my wife right 110 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: now our house is filled with vases of colius we grow. 111 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: I love my favorite and she uses that as a 112 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: cutting flower in a vase and they're absolutely gorgeous of 113 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: course they start to root and grow, so they'll grow 114 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: all winter in your house. But that's that's an annual 115 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: that just does great in the fall. Don't throw them away, 116 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: cut them off and put them in. 117 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: A vase, exactly. I got I'm walking in my garden 118 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: right now. It's barely light, but I got colias and containers. 119 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: I've got colias all over the darn place. And this 120 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: is just a no brainer plant. It is an annual. 121 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: But life goes on. But boy, it just gives you 122 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: that all seasoned color and nice in the fall, even 123 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: though it's fading a wee bit. Like you say, we 124 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: can bring them in and boy, they just root like candy, 125 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: don't they. They do. Take them in a glass of water, 126 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: and you've got colius in about two weeks. 127 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: And you know what, and you know what we add 128 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: to the bottom of it. We get this really takeover annual. Vine. 129 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: Has got a yellow flower, I mean a yellow leaf, 130 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: and it grows everywhere. It's the most obnoxious thing ever. 131 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: I don't know who developed this ornamental sweet potato vine 132 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: that's everywhere. And we put that in the Yeah, we 133 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: put that in the bottom of the pot and that 134 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: roots in in the water as well. But it looks 135 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: great because of the yellow, and I think you may 136 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: have asked all to do with it. 137 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the reason I think so plots are 138 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: because it has a golden color. And there's a ton 139 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: of them out there now with different leaf shapes and 140 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: leaf cuts and colors. But yeah, it's yeah, you get 141 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: a little tired of it, but it seems to work. 142 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: Talking about doctor Allan Armitage's website is Alan Armony's dot net. 143 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: Be sure and check it out. You see all his 144 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: books and sign up for his newsletters and all the 145 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: things that he has there. But it's Alan armitage dot net. 146 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: You know, as you look out over your all your 147 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: army's gardens from where you first started to where you 148 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: are today, are there any perennials out there? And I 149 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: know you've planted a ton of them that you just 150 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: could honestly say, I wish I had never planted. 151 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm old and decrepit now, so I've 152 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: I have. I have certainly gone through those stages. I mean, 153 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: there's a couple of perennials that I when I see 154 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: them in people's gardens, I just cringe. And yet we 155 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: still sell them. There's one. I don't want to say 156 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: anything in case your sponsors and you guys are all 157 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: over these plants. But there's a couple out there I 158 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: would never recommend to people in the garden. Uh so, 159 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: but you're not going to through that stage. Well, well, 160 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: one of them is one called chameleon plant. Oh yeah, 161 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: your A million plant is a really cool botanical name 162 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: called Hutinia, and it's a great groundcover. You know. I 163 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: I use this adage ron and I hope that you 164 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: know people understand when I say this. There's no such 165 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: thing as a bad plant, only a bad use for 166 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 2: a good plant. You just don't stick to start stuff 167 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: in the garden. Put it in a pot, put it 168 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: in the pond if you want. But it's a fiblesusly 169 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: beautiful plant, but it will take over the world and 170 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: then you need essentially semtex or something to get rid 171 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: of it. So I would never put it in a garden, 172 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: even though it does make a great ground cover. It 173 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: does cover the ground. But it's a beautiful plant for 174 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: a pot as long as you can keep it her. 175 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: Twenty five years ago, I made the mistake of planning 176 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: it as a groundcover under some marbor vity. It was 177 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: everywhere in our yard. Took me about five years to 178 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: finally get rid of that stuff. 179 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: Oh, it is tough to get rid of too, I know. 180 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: I mean that as I say, it's a great plant. 181 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: We just shouldn't well, yeah, and the poor gardeners out there, 182 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 2: they don't know that. So we really either should be 183 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: selling it a potter not selling it at all. 184 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: And I think I think where I do see it, 185 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: and you had brought it up as a water plant. 186 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: You know they're going to do well on the side 187 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: of a pond or in a container water garden. They 188 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: do absolutely wonderful, but not something you want to stick 189 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: in your garden, no doubt about it. Talk with Doc. 190 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: Talk with doctor Alan Armitage. His website is Alan Armitage 191 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: dot ned. Be sure and check that out and get 192 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: the garden app. If you don't get that garden app, 193 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: something's wrong with you. He updates it all the time. 194 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: But it's absolutely outstanding. And of course you got all 195 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: these books there as well. Let's take a quick break, 196 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: we come back. 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So 220 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: when eleven year old water heater died this year, I 221 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 3: called Roto Ruter and had a new one installed right 222 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: away for water heater service called one eight hundred Get Rodeo. 223 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson special 224 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: guest this morning, the Doctor Triple, a doctor Allen Apple Armitage, 225 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: who actually is standing out in his garden right as 226 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: we speak. Yes, he is. Shit down, Sit down, all 227 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: your fans are here this morning. You give him a 228 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: big head, you start doing that kind of stuff. Hey, uh, 229 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, you never I never know what I'm gonna 230 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: you know, when you write articles, what you're going to 231 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: write about, and what we're going to learn about. But 232 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: here's one that I had no idea I never thought 233 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: I would learn about from you. That for every hundred 234 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: butterflies in the landscape, there's a thousand moths. 235 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 2: Haven't that amazing? Yeah? The mas. You know, we think 236 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: of these pollinators as butterfly, which is, of course they're beautiful, YadA, YadA. 237 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: But you know, mas do as much, if not more 238 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 2: pollinating than butterflies do in our gardens or anywhere for 239 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: that matter. We just don't see them. They tend to 240 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: be more night nightcrawlers than they are during the day. 241 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot more maths 242 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: than there are butterflies. 243 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I see this article why mas 244 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: matter more than you might think as pollinators. And there's 245 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: doctor Alan Aremedy's Now he's a moth expert. 246 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: Well expert, you knows limit more than you so know. 247 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: Put it that way. He likes to share. 248 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: I love it. 249 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: And there's you know what, we're always learning in this business, 250 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: and you know, you're always learning something new. His website 251 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: is Alan Armony's dot net. 252 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 2: You know. 253 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: I was also looking at some new plants that are 254 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: coming along. And I don't know if you brought this 255 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: one up or not, but there's a new Hell of 256 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: Wars series, the Rocky series. Have you seen that? 257 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen it. 258 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: It's all about it's all about the folies. Did they 259 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: get that from you? 260 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I tell you what, we we have come 261 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: so far. And I say we as an industry and 262 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: we as gardeners have come so far with these things 263 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: called Linton Rose now the foliage, the new stuff. When 264 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: I say the new stuff, the five year old ten 265 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: year old new stuff has great foliage, it's shiny, it's lovely, 266 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: it lasts a long time. Then we have the variegated 267 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: foliage that's been around for a while. And now we've 268 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: got all sorts of weird foliage on hell of wares, 269 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: but we still grow them also for the flowers. But yeah, 270 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: there's a lot of breeding being done on hell It 271 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: is probably wrong. I think one of the number one 272 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: sort of explosions in the last five years, maybe ten years, 273 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: as far as new plants are concerned. And there's a 274 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: plant and I recommend them strongly, Oh yeah. 275 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: I know you do. And again they're tough, they're durable, 276 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: and there's a plant that loves the shade, take a 277 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: little bit of sun. Great flowers, great foliage. Now even 278 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: more and more. And of course you're always looking for 279 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: things that the deer have a tendency to not browse on. 280 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: This is one that you're pretty much assured deer free. 281 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 2: Well, the thing is too now there's enough of them 282 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: out there that you know, good nurseries are are you know, 283 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: you can still get the old fashioned lenten rolls that 284 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: are fine, except they're not fine compared to what these 285 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: ones are these are more expensive? To be sure, they 286 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 2: don't received at least most of the new ones don't, 287 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: so you know you're not going to get great drifts 288 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: of groundcovers. But oh boy, they're beautiful, and they're beautiful 289 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 2: all season. That's a nice thing. 290 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great one. So be sure and check 291 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: those out, and then I'm sure or the local garden 292 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: centers are going to continue to have more and more 293 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: is available for you all the time. All right, are 294 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: you ready for our lightning round with Doctor Triple A? 295 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: I'm always ready. Wrong, just fire away. We'll see what 296 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: kind of silliness we can come up with you. 297 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: All I need is an answer from you. We're going 298 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: to give you some options, and I'll give you an 299 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: easy one right off the bat. You ready, Apple butter 300 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: or BlackBerry jam? 301 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: Oh apple butter? 302 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: Have you had BlackBerry? 303 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: I love? I love all the berries, but you know, 304 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: little apple butter? Just every now and then, okay, all right? 305 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: Plume poppy or bears breeches, bears breeches. 306 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 2: Why but plue poppy can get out of control. Plum 307 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: poppy is a great thing to hide your garbage, chance 308 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But you can get out of control. 309 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: That's one of my favorites. 310 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: Well, I love it, I do. I just you know, 311 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: I just see. It's one of those things they talked 312 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: about earlier, one of those things that can kind of 313 00:14:58,640 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: get away from you. 314 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: I got uh. 315 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: There's bears breaches can also but uh and that they 316 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: can get big. Well, I like bears breaches all right. 317 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: Honey Crisp, Gala or Granny. 318 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: Smith honey Chris mm. 319 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: They're all good, especially if they're cold. 320 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: I love they also they also they're both good. They're 321 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: both good cookers as well, Apple crisp and stuff like that. 322 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: The tennis or pickleball, oh, tennis, no doubt, all right. 323 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: Who knows more about plants? Mike durr or Alan Armitage. 324 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: Mike derr Uh, he's really something, that guy as far 325 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: as the tree stuff. You know, he and I used 326 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: to be. They used to invite us to steak together, 327 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: but he would stop all over Mike freenuels and annuals, 328 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: and I would tell them the only good use for 329 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: a shrub is to put a good vine on it. 330 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: So they didn't invite his back very often. But he's brilliant, 331 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: no doubt about it, all right. 332 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: Looking at hostas abiqua drinking gourd or Empress wo. 333 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: Ah, man, they're so different. I have I'm looking right 334 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: now at Empress wou. It's a great big sucker and 335 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: I have it kind of believe it or not, a 336 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: hoss in the back of the garden. It's not big, 337 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: but I like it very much. That the drinking gor 338 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: is an old order and it's very very very nice 339 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: to you know, if you keep the deer off hosta. 340 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: There's hardly any that I would not recommend. 341 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: Best bang for the bock. For fall color, pansies, garden 342 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: moms are ornamental kale. 343 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: Well for I mean, pansies are great, yeah, and you know, 344 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: we sometimes get a little tired of pansies, ye mums, Yeah, 345 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: because there's so many of them. But they certainly work. 346 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: We wouldn't have them everywhere if they weren't appreciated and good. 347 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: I love ornamental kale, I love it particularly, and things 348 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: like window boxes and containers where they go with other things. 349 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: But you can get the kales and the mustards and 350 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: all those things, and they're pretty spectacular, and certainly in 351 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 2: the fall, and in some of them even well sudden 352 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: they even go. 353 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: Through a winter. 354 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: But but but pansies for sure all give you the 355 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: most banks of the buck for the longest period of time. 356 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: All right, doctor Allen armies with us this morning. It's 357 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: allan Army's dot. Now is the website. It's a lightning 358 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: round with doctor armitag Moosehead Molson or le Bats. 359 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: Molten Golden. Come on, there's not even any doubt on 360 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 2: that one. 361 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: What You're not a Moosehead fan? 362 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: I die? 363 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I am okay. 364 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 2: Well, the problem is that the darned people who sell 365 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 2: beer don't sell Canadian beer very much because the distribution 366 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: is so hard. But y Molson gold and just go 367 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: for it, like you said. Yeah, come on, there's a 368 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 2: good plant question. I love your questions. Ron, I hope 369 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: I'm passing. 370 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: You're doing a great job. Duke's mayonnaise or miracle whip. 371 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 2: Oh, that's not fair, because I'm really you know, I'm 372 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 2: not supposed to say Dukes, I think because Dukes Dukes 373 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: is the name that that that that everybody knows. But 374 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: I got old Mura Wilson. It's mayonnaise. 375 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: Come on, Carrick snowcap or variegated Loriope, oh, Carricks, because 376 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: I see you talking more and more about carricks. 377 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 2: If you can grow carrecks, and I'm looking at carrocks 378 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 2: in my garden. Some of them feather falls, except that 379 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 2: they are spectacular. Other carrocks I have trouble with. You 380 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: have a lot of heat. Some of them don't do well. 381 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: But carricks is just if you can grow it. Man, 382 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: It's just a great plant. 383 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: Apple strudel or apple pie. 384 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: Oh man, now you're getting in a tough stuff. These 385 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: plants things are easy. I guess I'm gonna say scrutle 386 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 2: if I can get it. I love I love apple 387 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 2: pie too. So you know, if any of your fans 388 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 2: and my fans that they want to figure a way 389 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: to get some Christmas gifts, we'll We'll take any apple anything. Gang. 390 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: I just send it to on and he will somehow 391 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: get it to me. 392 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: I love it. Talk with doctor Allan Armitage is a 393 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: website is Alan Armies dot com net. Be sure and 394 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: check it out. Two more questions, Ginger or Marianne from 395 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: Gilligan's Island. 396 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 2: I gotta take Mary Anne, no doubt. 397 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 1: No doubt. Coker pepsick? Are you Coker PEPSI neither neither, 398 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: thank you. 399 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 2: But if I have to have one. I guess it'll 400 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: be a coke. 401 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: All right, here's your last question. Are you ready? Oh yeah, gardening? 402 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: Is it brain surgery, rocket science? Or can you just 403 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: be common sense? 404 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: Boy? It's all about common sense, you know, as you 405 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: and I haven't talked about. It ain't brain surgery and 406 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: it's not rocket science. What's fun? 407 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: Why don't you write a book called common sense Gardening? 408 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: I will I will do that as soon as I do, 409 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: I will get you the first coffee. 410 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Doctor Allan Armitage his website Alan armies 411 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: dot net. Always a pleasure, sir. 412 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 2: All right, Ron, thank you, and thank you everybody for 413 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: a listening to two silly people. Hey, we're having a 414 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: good time all about. 415 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: That's what it's all about, Doctor Allan Armage again Alan 416 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 1: armitage dot net for his books. Christmas is coming up. 417 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm telling you what. He has a great selection here 418 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: and if you don't have his gardening app you're missing out. 419 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: So one of the best gardening apps out there on 420 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: the market, and you'll find it at Alan armitage dot net. 421 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: Quick break we come back phone lines. You're open for you. 422 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: Eight hundred eight two three eight two five five here 423 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: in the Garden with Ron Wilson. 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