1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: When commins off to home, has golf came? 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: Who fills in from the three? There can be one answer, 3 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: Tenna be, And. 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 3: In those hours of darkness, will still turning out of 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 3: loyalty to the fans with Gerald tell. 6 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 4: To be, Tenna be, Tenna be, Tenna be, Tanna be 7 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 4: into a producer teena be. 8 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: That we're going into the eminem one. 9 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: Oh, I thought that that was replacing the eminem's. 10 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: That's that's just to kill another minute. 11 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was a replacement. I mean, that's 12 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: why I was like, he's not really like get a 13 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: rush to get out on the mic. Maybe he's doing 14 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: a common man bit. I don't. I don't know. 15 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: My bad the other. 16 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: One just kicking something. The cop that'd be bumping. We 17 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: gotta kill time. What is this? What's going on? 18 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: Hey? Hey? What is going on here? 19 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 5: Hello? 20 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 6: Hello? 21 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: Anybody home? We get right, Dyna might drop him money. 22 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: The broadcast school is really it off. I know what 23 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: you're doing right now, but I don't like it. I 24 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: did not know that. 25 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: Make mistake, big mistake. 26 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 4: I don't try about it. 27 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 5: Just what I think you couldn't possibly be any double. 28 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 1: You go and do something like this. I have totally yourself. 29 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: What are you doing? What's going on? 30 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 5: Yes, now we finally killed off two three minutes. Now 31 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 5: the TENE Fitzgerald can begin a little bit RUSSI, Max 32 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 5: and I haven't worked together in a long time. 33 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: It's been a while, you know. 34 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 5: I love working with you. We love working with you. 35 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 5: It's been a little bit of roussie. So we're gonna 36 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 5: try to get the kinks out, see if we can 37 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 5: regie that chemistry we once had. And uh, you're with 38 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 5: me for three hours today and both commons out little 39 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 5: bees out. So unfortunately there will be no program password 40 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 5: today I know, which means more Tennabe and Max talking. 41 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 5: We call this the Bald and the Beautiful. We do 42 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 5: have three guests today. Pat mcalletty will join about a 43 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 5: half hour from now at twelve thirty talking Puck Dane 44 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 5: Moore from the Dane Moore Podcast. We talked about the 45 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 5: wolves and they're lost in to Troy last night. He 46 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 5: joins at one thirty, and then Michael Russo covers The 47 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 5: Wild for the Athletic, will join us at two thirty. Maxis, 48 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 5: would you be usually be a time where we do 49 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 5: like do some small talk and try to kill some time. 50 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 5: I have to get into the Suhan callum right away though, 51 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 5: Yeah from yes, did you read it? 52 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: Absolutely? It was ridiculous. I've never seen Minnesota this unified 53 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: about anything. Yes, aside from Jim sue As, I thought 54 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: it was an April fool's joke at first, maybe I. 55 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: Go came out in April. Second. 56 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, so, as far as I know, shall I just 57 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 5: read the whole thing Jim Suehan and the charch of 58 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 5: Youue today line says, let's fix the relationship between the 59 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 5: Twins fans and the poll At family. 60 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm curious. 61 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 5: I would love for this to get fixed something. I 62 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 5: don't know if it's fixable, but he basically does. The 63 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 5: whole thing is if he's a marriage counselor and there's 64 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 5: two sides to this, and both sides need to meet 65 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 5: in the middle, right Like, that's kind of his game 66 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 5: plan with this. He says, Please both you get comfortable. 67 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 5: That's why we have the nice couch. Come back. Sitting 68 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 5: in folding chairs on opposite sides of the room does 69 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 5: not work. Remember, you hired me because you want to 70 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 5: give this relationship one last chance. I understand that this 71 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 5: relationship has never been worse, but we have to try. 72 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 5: Let's start with you, angry Twins fan. I understand from 73 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 5: our last conversation that you feel aggrieved. I want you 74 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 5: to know that you are heard. I want you to 75 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 5: spend your summers in a beautiful ballpark watching a team 76 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 5: committed to winning, and you feel your needs are not 77 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 5: being met. No, no, this is not the time and 78 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 5: place for name calling. I'm sorry. I am a license 79 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 5: of marriage counselor not a had pocket protector. To try 80 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 5: to reduce stress and to make this conversation productive, please 81 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 5: start sentences with eye and tell me how you feel. 82 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 1: Attacking your partner is not productive. 83 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 5: So I kind of like the marriage counts their bit, 84 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 5: sure right, It's different, unique than most columns. Is it 85 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 5: fair to say you feel hopeless and angry because Tom 86 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 5: Polett is the latest member of his family to talk 87 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 5: about winning while refusing to spend the league average on 88 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 5: player salaries. 89 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: You're still angry about Carl. 90 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 5: Polett offering the franchise for contraction and the way Carl's 91 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 5: sons and grandsons have carried on this tradition of conservative spending, 92 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 5: even while in a ballpark that was supposed to make 93 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 5: more money for this franchise. You hated it when the 94 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 5: Twins dumped players and salary last summer, and you hated 95 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 5: it even more when the Pole add stopped trying to 96 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 5: sell the franchise. Well, Tom, that all sounds reasonable. How 97 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 5: would you respond? Then he goes, that's understandable. Nobody likes 98 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 5: to hear complaints or be insulted every day. Tom, Can 99 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 5: I call you? 100 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: Tom? 101 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 5: You're tired of listening hearing the same old whining. You 102 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 5: like to point out that the Twins have won in 103 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 5: the playoffs more recently than the Vikings are Wild, both 104 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 5: of which are popular enough to sell out all. 105 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: Of their games. 106 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 5: You point out that payroll level and winning are not 107 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 5: necessarily correlated, that a high payroll isn't as important as 108 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 5: player development. Might I suggest, Tom, that you've taken things 109 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 5: to an extreme. When you won that playoff series, the 110 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 5: Twins ranked seventeenth in payroll. This year's team's ranked twenty second. Yes, 111 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 5: I understand that moving into target field merely allowed you 112 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 5: to catch up to all the franchises already benefiting from 113 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 5: newer ballparks. But you can admit that the selloff last 114 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 5: summer looked awful. Can't you okay, I can see you're 115 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 5: not budging if you're going to give any ground. Might 116 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 5: have suggest that, as someone in the first year running 117 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 5: a baseball franchise, you think about at least pretending to 118 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 5: be humble. No, try hugging this therapy pillow and repeating 119 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 5: a mantra We'll see you tomorrow night until your mood changes. 120 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 5: Now ATF, that's angry Twins fan? Can I call you 121 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 5: ATF well? I understand your consternation. Might I also suggest 122 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 5: that you've gone a little far in blaming the pole 123 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 5: ads for everything? Do you really think the owners are 124 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 5: to blame for every base running mistake and hitting slumps 125 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 5: and the national debt? It is a I also wonder 126 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 5: whether constant complaining unofficial boycotts of target Field do you 127 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 5: any good? Do you really want to make yourself this miserable? 128 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 5: Have you considered reading a book or going to a 129 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 5: concert instead? Do you realize that if you don't buy tickets, 130 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 5: Tom can cite low revenues as a reason to avoid 131 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 5: spending money. Do you realize that if Tom spent another 132 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 5: twenty million dollars on payroll, he still complained, So he 133 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 5: goes on a little bit longer. One I love the 134 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 5: both sides is that he's trying to pull off here, 135 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 5: and you know, he went after ownership first, and I 136 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 5: think he's a little harder on ownership than the fans, 137 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 5: but also still trying to blame the fans partially for 138 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 5: why this marriage is still not working right, seems bizarre 139 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 5: to me. Now, there's a couple of things that I 140 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 5: would like to point out. The Linery says talking to 141 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 5: the fans or no, talking to Tom poll D. You 142 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 5: like to point out that the Twins have won in 143 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 5: the playoffs more recently than the Vikings or Wild, both 144 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 5: of which are popular enough to sell out all of 145 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 5: their games. Technically, yes, the Twins have won a series 146 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 5: more recently. You know that that series they won was 147 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 5: the first time they'd won a playoff game a game 148 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 5: in twenty years. Yeah, they'd gone to eighteen, not even 149 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 5: a series a game, right, So, citing this one series 150 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 5: as so what a successful franchise we got going on here, 151 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 5: Also comparing to other terrible franchises in town doesn't doesn't 152 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 5: justify your position. 153 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 6: You know. 154 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: In the Wild, well, they. 155 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 5: Haven't had a ton of playoff success and as of 156 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 5: last night, when they clinched another playoffs, but they have 157 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 5: at least been in the playoffs. Now I get it's 158 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 5: easier to get in the playoffs in the NHL than 159 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 5: is a Major League baseball Well, now it's really not 160 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 5: not as much of a difference as it once was. 161 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 5: Still made the playoffs. They've made the since twenty thirteen, 162 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 5: they've made the playoffs. Nobody has made the playoffs more 163 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 5: than them. And they didnt win at least a couple series. 164 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 5: At least they're winning some games within them. The Twins 165 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 5: weren't winning games, and the Vikings at least we went 166 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 5: to an NFC championship within the last decade. 167 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 2: And they're one of the winningest. I think they're one 168 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: of the winningest franchises over the last two or three 169 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: deck at least of the two thousands, they are in 170 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: the top ten of the most of the winningest franchise 171 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: in terms of winning percentage. 172 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 5: Well, and the point is, regardless of whether the Vikings 173 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 5: are wild, they're winning. And by the way, he conveniently 174 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 5: left out the Wolves in this equations. 175 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: Funny how that works. The reason the Vikings in the wild. 176 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 5: Now, the NFL just rules in general, like you can 177 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 5: be zero to sixteen, and people are going to show 178 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 5: up right because of the popularity. But the reason people 179 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 5: aren't as hard on ownership with the Vikings in the 180 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 5: Wild is because they're trying. 181 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 2: Jim. 182 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, they have salary caps. They are spending to the 183 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 5: salary cap. That's why. And people are frustrated the Wild, 184 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 5: but they're gonna keep showing up because at least they 185 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 5: Craig Leopold might have his flaws, maybe he dips into 186 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,479 Speaker 5: the roster management a little too often. 187 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: But he tries, he cares. 188 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 5: The wils haven't brought us a big game up here 189 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 5: and since they've taken over ownership, but everyone looks at 190 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 5: and goes, you know they're trying. You know, they got 191 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 5: a new stadium, they built everything, an egan everything around 192 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 5: the league when they have those anonymous surveys, is first 193 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 5: class organization that the ownership does a great job. 194 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: So that's what it comes down to, Jim. And then 195 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: the next. 196 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 5: Part you point out that payroll level and winning are 197 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 5: not necessarily correlated, that a high payroll isn't as important 198 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 5: as player development. Obviously, player development in any sport is important, 199 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 5: but you cannot tell me in a league that doesn't 200 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 5: have a salary cap. That payroll is not important now, 201 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 5: is it everything? Can you have a high payroll and lose? 202 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: Yes? Can you have a low payroll and win? 203 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 5: But saying there's no correlation there, You know, in the 204 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 5: last thirty years, twenty eight of the thirty World Series 205 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 5: winners have had top half of the league payrolls twenty 206 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 5: eight to thirty. 207 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: So can you win a World Series without having a 208 00:10:58,960 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: top payroll? 209 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 5: Yes, the Miami Marlins did it in two thousand and 210 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 5: three at like twenty fourth. And the other one, by 211 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 5: the way, that wasn't in the top half was sixteenth 212 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 5: in the league. The Angels in two thousand and two too, 213 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 5: who took down our twins, were sixteenth. So twenty nine 214 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 5: in the last thirty years you've had to have a 215 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 5: sixteenth or above payroll. That sounds like correlation to me, Jim, Yeah, 216 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 5: and yes, occasionally a team in the twenties gets to 217 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 5: the World Series. 218 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: That is the that is the exception to the rule. 219 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 5: And then I just I the part where he's like 220 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 5: attacking the fans of do you realize that if you 221 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 5: don't buy tickets, Tom can cite low revenues as a 222 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 5: reason to avoid spending money. Do you realize that if 223 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 5: Tom spent another twenty million dollars in pay roll, he's 224 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 5: still complained. This is one of my least favorite arguments. 225 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 5: If a restaurant closes down because they're not getting enough customers, 226 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 5: is that the customer's fault? Or do they need better food? 227 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 5: Do they need better prices, do they need better service? 228 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,119 Speaker 1: It's on the restaurant. 229 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 5: In any line of business, it's you don't just blame 230 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 5: the customers for not That's always been my problem with 231 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 5: with the pole Ads and the Twins and the pole 232 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 5: Ad pocket Protectors. It's always, Hey, we need to show 233 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 5: up so that they'll raise payroll. Well, how about they 234 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 5: raise payroll so we show up. Yeah, how about they 235 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 5: go out and spend money on some guys that lead 236 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 5: to a winning product that put butts in the seats, 237 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 5: and then you spend money and then you'll make money 238 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 5: after that, as opposed to we have to keep showing up, 239 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 5: especially when they have twins. Fans have been showing up 240 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 5: for a long time and you're not spending. 241 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: They literally slashed payroll damn near in half after said 242 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: one Series one game. Yes that they won in the 243 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 2: one series that they won in the last twenty years. 244 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: They clearly learned no lessons in Twins fans, like you said, 245 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: have been showing up far longer than they probably should 246 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 2: have been showing. 247 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 5: Say, if you want to rip Twins fans, it's because 248 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 5: they've enabled this to happen for so long. 249 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: It took them too long to. 250 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 5: Get negative towards the pole ads, and they picked the 251 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 5: absolute worst time to slash payroll, like the the fact 252 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 5: that no one in PR or anyone in the organization goes, 253 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 5: I know we're struggling for money here, but is this 254 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 5: the best time to do this, and not understanding of 255 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 5: the repercussions, right, because Twins fans were on a high 256 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 5: at that point. You had all the Twins fans on 257 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 5: your side, and you completely self gold put a goal 258 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 5: in your own you own gold yourself right. And then 259 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 5: on top of that, once everyone got mad at you, 260 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 5: you come out and say, hey, we're going to sell 261 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 5: the franchise, and everyone's like, yes, please applause, this is great. 262 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: You got everyone's hopes up. 263 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 5: And then like eight months later you're like, uh, I 264 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 5: think we're going to just keep it. Most have some 265 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 5: minorities help out and make some money. Right, So you've 266 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 5: completely crapped on your fans twice in the last five 267 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 5: six years. 268 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: Do not blame the fans. The fans. 269 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 5: What the fans are doing now, they should have actually 270 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 5: done a long time ago. And so instead of this 271 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 5: being a marriage where both sides need to come to 272 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 5: the middle and compromise and meet here, no ownership needs 273 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 5: to come to the fans. The customers always right, Max, 274 00:13:58,640 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 5: The customer is always right. 275 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: So improve your product. 276 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe have some cheaper prices in the seats, make it, 277 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 5: make it a more affordable experience, and put some wins 278 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,599 Speaker 5: together and put a product together that people want to 279 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 5: come and see. 280 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: And in no way, shape or form, is any of 281 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: the onus of this anything on the fans, not as 282 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: one hundred on the pole ads. And no, we would 283 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: not be complaining if they spent another twenty million dollars 284 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: in payroll. That's exactly what we're complaining about. 285 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 5: It actually wouldn't be enough at this point because they 286 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 5: slashed that by So he is right, great, you brought 287 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 5: it back to where you were kind of close. 288 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: To before, right, Yeah, Jim, why don't you repair of 289 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson and Joe Jackson's relationship. Next. Yeah, because it's 290 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson's fault that Joe Jackson. 291 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: Raised him that way, right, They own gold themselves. 292 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 5: We'll do a little peak at the Purple Necks and 293 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 5: the Talk Hockey with Pat mcletty. 294 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: In about fifteen minutes, wolves. 295 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: KFN celebrates our five thousand teacher winners in Iheartradios. Thank 296 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: You Teacher, powered by donors and Shoes. There's still time 297 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: to nominate a public school teacher making a difference. They 298 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: could be the next to win five thousand dollars to 299 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: make over their classroom. Do it now at iHeartRadio dot 300 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: Com Slash Teachers. 301 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 5: It's the Bald and the Beautiful tend to be along 302 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 5: with Max Fuller and this is a peek at the 303 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 5: Purple We do this every single weekday at twelve fifteen. 304 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 5: It's brought to you by Affordable Electric And I know you. 305 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 5: I just love Vikings quarterback death chart discussion, don't you? 306 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: Max? 307 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Especially in April. 308 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 5: Pro Footballtalk dot Com had coach Kevin O'Connell on with 309 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 5: their show called Pro Football Talk Live. And right now, 310 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 5: the Vikings obviously have four quarterbacks. We've got Kyler Murray 311 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 5: or Kyle Murphy. They have Carson Wentz, nine, JJ McCarthy 312 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 5: and Max Brosmer, but as of right now, they haven't 313 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 5: come out and said, hey, here's who our starter is. Well, 314 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 5: Koc explained during a recent visit with PFT Live. Eventually 315 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 5: there will be clear delineation of positions on the depth chart, 316 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 5: but as Florio writes, the real question is whin. He 317 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 5: didn't rule out the possibility of determining the starter entering 318 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 5: training camp. 319 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: He says that seems unlikely. 320 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 5: However, the competition will likely commence during preseason practices and games. 321 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 5: The goal, as Koc explained, it is to have one 322 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 5: guy lead the way throughout the season. Florio says it 323 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 5: will come down undoubtedly to Kyler Murray or JJ McCarthy. 324 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 5: O'Connell explained that he has no concern about McCarthy becoming 325 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 5: disenchanted if he doesn't win the job. Now, Max, I 326 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 5: haven't heard your opinion on Kyle Murphy being signed by 327 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 5: the Minnesota Vikings and Carson Wentz and where you are 328 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 5: and JJ McCarthy, and I brought it up with com 329 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 5: the other day, but even before then, I've been saying 330 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 5: for weeks the second Kyle Murphy slash. Kyler Murray signed 331 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 5: with the Vikings. He is your starter, Yes, he is 332 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 5: your number one guy. I get that he has flaws. 333 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 5: I get that he didn't live up to the high 334 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 5: expectations of the number one overall pick in Arizona, but 335 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 5: he has still done enough in his career you'd go, 336 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 5: that's that's the starter. That's why you bring him in. 337 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 5: That's why Murray came here. Like Murray could have had 338 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 5: other options to start elsewhere, he's coming here and believing 339 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 5: he's going to start. But even KOs slipped the other 340 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 5: day when he was on with PA and was talking 341 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 5: about what Jay, what Justin Jefferson does to other defenses, right, 342 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 5: and he's like, yeah, you know when you have Justin 343 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 5: Jefferson and he's he's taking attention away here and that 344 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 5: opens up Jordan Addison. And then also you have to 345 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 5: have a spy for Kyler Murray. And then he caught 346 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 5: himself and he goes or any of our other quarterbacks, 347 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 5: which none of your other quarterbacks need a spy, right, So, uh, 348 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 5: that was that was koc slipping there. 349 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 2: And that clearly shows he's been thinking about Kyler as 350 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: the starter. 351 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: Yes, well, well and I get it. 352 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 5: One, you don't why put JJ McCarthy through the ringer 353 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 5: if you don't have to, Right, it's a coach protecting 354 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 5: a player. Two, if you are going to trade him, 355 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 5: it doesn't help his trade value to basically be like, yeah, 356 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 5: he's third on our depth chart. So I understand why 357 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 5: you're playing the charade. But Kyler Murray is going to 358 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 5: be the starting quarterback. And also with Kyler, the whole 359 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 5: thing with him where there's concern is him and Kaos 360 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 5: seem stylistically to be different. 361 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: Right, KOs is more of an under center. 362 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 5: We're going to do play action, and I have a 363 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 5: certain system that I want to do things. Kyler Murray 364 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 5: has played in the shotgun for most of his career. Right, 365 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 5: Just like Twins fans and Joe Polat, there needs to 366 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 5: be some compromise between the two Jim, right, like, Kyler 367 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 5: is going to have to learn to play a little 368 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 5: bit more differently than the way he's always played in Arizona, 369 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 5: and Kaos is probably gonna have to go I can't 370 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 5: just stick to my offense. 371 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to play to kyler strengths a little bit. 372 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 5: You want to go through that during the off season, 373 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 5: and it wouldn't make sense to do that if you didn't, right, 374 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 5: So you're gonna wait, and you're gonna wait until August 375 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 5: and go, Yeah, I think Kyler's gonna be a started. 376 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 5: Then you're gonna figure out how you want to handle 377 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 5: your offense. 378 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: It makes zero sense. So I'm not buying this. 379 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 5: We're gonna have a competition of some sort here and 380 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 5: nine still has a chance. Kyler Murray is the starter. Yeah, 381 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 5: I still think J. J. McCarthy make get traded, but undrafted. 382 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 5: I honestly I wouldn't doubt that either. And of course 383 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 5: KOs is not just gonna come out and say but 384 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 5: I even more so, a second mail in the coffin, 385 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 5: if you will, is resigning Carson Wentz. 386 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: That seems to me. 387 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 5: You don't sign a name like that to push him 388 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 5: down one to be QB three, And I think, uh, 389 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 5: And Carson doesn't sign here unless he's QB two, right, 390 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 5: It can be QB two in March exactly. He could 391 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 5: have held out somewhere else. Someone else is gonna take him. 392 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 5: You can wait till May, June, July, something can happen. 393 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 5: It makes no sense for him to sign in March. 394 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: To be your QB three and Kyler come in in 395 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 2: the door to the Vikings facility. Is less of a 396 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: project than Sam was when he walked through the door. 397 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: Sam. 398 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: Sam was basically like a whole ass dissertation, do you know, 399 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: Like you know, Kyler is just like a like a 400 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: mid term kind of project. And I totally. 401 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 5: Agree Kyler's just please do your midterms exactly? 402 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: Would you do the homework? 403 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: Would you open the damn book and actually study for 404 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: the mid term? Please? Let's just cross our fingers no 405 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: call of duties come out within the next year. But 406 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: it is kind of like you were saying, they're going 407 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 2: to have to meet in the middle. And I don't 408 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: think that Chaos has never It's not like he's incapable 409 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 2: of scheming for a quarterback like Kyle, He's just never 410 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: had one like that. And Kyler's never had a coach 411 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: like Koc. So I think that marriage is going to 412 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 2: be the key kind of crux of how far this 413 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: Viking season goes. But Kyler does he has the arm, 414 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 2: talent and the abilities to do all the things that 415 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: Kaos you can do a quarterback to do and take 416 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: the tops off the defense. 417 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: I mean, they have a. 418 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 5: Quarterback to who that can run and occasionally extend the 419 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 5: play a little bit, and to Chaos's point, they have 420 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 5: to account for him being able to run, which should 421 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 5: open things up. That's one last person as long as 422 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 5: even comprehend Kos's, which fairly is a complicated offense because 423 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 5: nine had had some troubles with it last year. The 424 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 5: only other thing for Peak of the Purple is Stefan 425 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 5: Gilmour announced his retirement. He didn't play last season. He 426 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 5: played for the Vikings back in two thousand and four. 427 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 5: Pretty decorated career defensive player of the Year. In twenty 428 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 5: nineteen with the Patriots, he led the league that year 429 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 5: with six interceptions twenty pass breakups. In his career, the 430 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 5: five time Pro bowler totaled six hundred and seventeen tackles, 431 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 5: thirty two interceptions, one hundred and forty nine pass breakups, 432 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 5: eight forest fumbles and a sack. So Stefan Gilmour, not 433 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 5: surprising after not really finding anywhere to play last year, 434 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 5: is retiring. That's it for Peak of the Purple. It's 435 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 5: brought to you by Affordable Electric. We're going to talk 436 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 5: Minnesota wild hockey, maybe even some frozen four, which starts 437 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 5: the next week. Well, college hockey will do that with 438 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 5: the great Pat mcletty next right here on the ten, 439 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 5: it's Cherim. 440 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: Never missed your chance to know what the latest sports 441 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: news is in town. Win tickets and see what's going 442 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: on with all your favorite kfan shows. Follow Kfan one 443 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: is zero zero three on all of our social channels 444 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: like Instagram, TikTok, and x right now, stay connected and 445 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: follow the sports leader Kate a. 446 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: Ed Yeah, he's Max. I'm tend to be wild. 447 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 5: Win last night over the Vancouver Canucks by a score 448 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 5: to five two and they clinch playoff spot, so they 449 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 5: are in the playoffs for the twelfth time since twenty thirteen. 450 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 5: Now joined by Beyond the Pond co host, you can 451 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 5: hear him tomorrow ten am to noon right here on 452 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 5: the Fandom Beyond the Pond, the Great Pat mcalletty. 453 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: Hello, Patrick, Hello Brandon. 454 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 6: Great to be with you. We haven't done this in 455 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 6: quite some time, so I'm I was very happy when 456 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 6: I got the text from you about coming on. It's 457 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 6: great to be with. 458 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: You, you know. 459 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 5: I just feel a little pity for you if you 460 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 5: have to talk hockey with falness all the time, So 461 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 5: I know, I've got to sprinkle in something different every 462 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 5: once in a while, someone a little bit more higher 463 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 5: educated hockey talk. 464 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, I better watch what I say because I probably, 465 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 6: of course you hear about it tomorrow. 466 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: So, of course, what do you think of the game 467 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: last night? 468 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 5: You know, the Wild had gone through a stretch there 469 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 5: in the month of March where just pretty mediocre, not 470 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 5: what we'd seen for most of the season, and you know, 471 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 5: I common's been panicking all month, and not that I 472 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 5: love the way they were playing, but I kind of thought, 473 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 5: you know, they're kind of dead set where they are 474 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 5: in the playoffs, and it's it's not often in a 475 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 5: hockey season you're at a point where these games don't 476 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 5: mean as much right where you just they're not like 477 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 5: as must win as as as typical seasons, especially in 478 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 5: Wild history, where used to them always having to go 479 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 5: to the. 480 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: Last game to win games. 481 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 5: But it just felt to me like the team just 482 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 5: hasn't had the same umph, same the same amount of great. 483 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: I felt like they got a bit of that back 484 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: last night. 485 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 6: They did after the first period, and you know me, 486 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 6: I'm I'm mister positive about this team, and I really 487 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 6: like what they did at the deadline, uh, in terms 488 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 6: of adding the depth and getting bigger and making them 489 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 6: hard to play against. And so that being said, when 490 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 6: I watched that first period last night, UH, I was 491 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 6: really really disappointed in the effort. Sam's Matt Boldie, you know, 492 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 6: I thought he was just magnificent last night, but I 493 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 6: was not. I was not happy with the way that 494 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 6: they played in that first period last night. And I 495 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 6: thought that was and and let's not forget, they're playing 496 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 6: the worst team in the league in Vancouver Canucks. You know, 497 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 6: their their last place and in the National Hockey League. 498 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 6: So I thought, you know what, to everything that you 499 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 6: pointed out, that they were just kind of ma that 500 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 6: they know where they are and all of that, I thought, 501 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 6: you know what, tonight to night or last night, you know, 502 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 6: but I was thinking yesterday, tonight, tonight, they can come 503 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 6: out and show who they are and what they're going 504 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 6: to be, And in that first period they didn't. I 505 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 6: thought they were much better in the second and third period. 506 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 6: And what I mean by that was, you know what, 507 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 6: they implored their will, they hit, they for checked, you know, 508 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 6: they they kind of took over the game. And that's 509 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 6: the way that they're going to have to play come 510 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 6: playoff time. And you know, I was texting with with 511 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 6: our good friend Wes Walls during the game, and you know, 512 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 6: he pointed out that guess what they're going to be 513 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 6: in one goal games throughout the whole playoffs and that's 514 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 6: where they really have to you know, uh, you know, 515 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 6: overtake teams make it tough all of those things, and 516 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 6: so much better in the second and third And you. 517 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: Know, are you so there? 518 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 6: Pat? Yeah? 519 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, yeah, your phone went on a little bit 520 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: at the end there. 521 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 6: Oh, I'm sorry, No. 522 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: It's okay. 523 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 5: You mentioned Matt Bolding like the way he played. He 524 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 5: clearly had a different gear last night, and maybe some 525 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 5: of that is the competition they're facing, but he had 526 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 5: been through he was in really the first time all season, right, 527 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 5: I mean. 528 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: Up until the last eight games. 529 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 5: He was as consistent and beforeward as the Wild have 530 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 5: had all season long, argue yardbly their best forward, maybe 531 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 5: their best player, and he just kind of hadn't had 532 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 5: the same feel over the last seven eight games and 533 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 5: last night. You know, Boldy's a guy because of his size, 534 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 5: because of his reach, Clearly he has tons of skill. 535 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 5: But if he has a little bit more of a 536 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 5: four checking mentality, a little bit more of attacking the 537 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 5: middle mentality. He can be dangerous, and I felt like 538 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 5: we got a little bit of that last night from him. 539 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 6: I mean his hands were in his hands. Yeah, branded 540 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 6: I mean, which goes excuse me, which goes to show 541 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 6: you know what you know, once he gets the puck, 542 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 6: excuse me, through the middle of the ice. 543 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 5: Hang on, go get a glass of water, Pat, I'll 544 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 5: talk with Mac. I can talk with Sorry to drink 545 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 5: some wine. 546 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 6: I swallowed. Run anyway, when he gets the puck and 547 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 6: he's going through the middle of the ice and his hands, 548 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 6: his ability to beat guys is it's just, uh, it's 549 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 6: so much fun to watch. And and he implored his 550 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 6: well down down low. You know, with his size, he can, 551 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 6: he can, he can win battles, and and he just 552 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 6: showed how how great he is. And you know, you know, 553 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 6: for him to hit forty goals last night, you know, 554 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 6: I I think he'll eventually get to fifty. I don't 555 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 6: know if he'll do it this year, but he was 556 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,479 Speaker 6: just so good last night. And guess what, you know, 557 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 6: you and I and and Kevin talked about it on 558 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 6: Wild Weekly you know, the record is what five hundred 559 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 6: since the since the break, and and those guys haven't 560 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 6: really been Him and Caprice up haven't been great. And 561 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 6: I didn't I thought Caprice I've had a terrible first period, 562 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 6: really good in the second and third. But when those 563 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 6: when those guys uh play well, well, you know, the 564 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 6: entire team seems to get on their back and and 565 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 6: you know, and follow along, and so I obviously think 566 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 6: they're two keys, uh to the team. But but to 567 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 6: get back to my point, maybe when my phone broke out, 568 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 6: was that you know, it was a game last night 569 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 6: where they really could have got healthy and you know, 570 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 6: for two periods they did, one period they didn't. But 571 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 6: you know, they're they're going to have to play you know, 572 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 6: you know, hard and tough and and and really get 573 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 6: going and have some momentum going into the playoffs. 574 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 5: Now, you clearly have scored a lot more goals than 575 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 5: me and my hockey career, So maybe you and speak 576 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 5: to this a little bit more than I can. 577 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: What I love about Boldie. 578 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 5: You know, both of his goals last right night, last night, 579 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 5: right he's one on one with the goalie. The first one, 580 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 5: Eric Sinek forces the turnover. The second one, he gets 581 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 5: the breakoff after. I don't know what Zee Bulliam was 582 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 5: doing at the blue line there, but he's easy, easy 583 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 5: breakaway right. But you know Boldie, when he gets one 584 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 5: on one with his goalies, he has this thing where 585 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 5: like he just glides in with his skates right, Like 586 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 5: his skates don't move and he can get he can 587 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 5: get so much power and he has such a quick 588 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 5: release without moving his skates that I think it really 589 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 5: throws off goalies and the goalie last night, the first one, right, 590 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 5: he just quickly shot five hole right. So now when 591 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 5: you're on your breakaway, that goalie has to be thinking, Man, 592 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 5: this guy can do a quick release five hole on 593 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 5: me and it really opens up. You know, we've seen 594 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 5: him do it in shootouts before, right where he goes 595 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 5: in that same the same motion. He can deep to 596 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 5: his backhand. Last night he just quick shot top shelf. 597 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 5: I have to imagine like when a goalie gets beat 598 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 5: like that five hole. Now you don't know where that 599 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 5: guy's going to go the next time you're one on. 600 00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: One with them. 601 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, even add you know he has the ability to 602 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 6: to deek, right, I mean he has has that uh 603 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 6: in his repertoire also and so and and a big 604 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 6: thing with with goal scores is that they're called they 605 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 6: don't panic. They wait that extra whether it be millisecond, 606 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 6: just whatever it is. They wait for that goalie to 607 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 6: make the first move. And once the goalie does that, 608 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 6: you've got him. And you've got him because he can't react, 609 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 6: uh quick enough to you know, for a guy like Buldie, 610 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 6: who can you know, who's faster at at making a 611 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 6: quick move? And so you know that that's the that's 612 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 6: the reason why capriesoft and both both have over forty goals. 613 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 6: They they're just ability to read goaltenders and and know 614 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 6: when to shoot it and when to deek and go, 615 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 6: when to hold on to the puck. You said extra 616 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 6: you know, split second or whatever whatever time they need. 617 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 6: And uh and that's the difference. And that's one thing 618 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 6: about Caprice Soft that bothered me about his game in 619 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 6: the first period last night. 620 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: He's a goal. 621 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 6: Scorer, Brandon, and and you know, to me, he got 622 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 6: caught up in traffic, whether it be behind the net 623 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 6: or trying to win a battle. You saw the goalie 624 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 6: the you know, the one goal they scored he got 625 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 6: in the open area and and that's what his other 626 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 6: two linemates are there for, is to get him the puck. 627 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 6: And so I'd love to see him, you know, you know, 628 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 6: not be that guy that has to do everything, all 629 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 6: the all the heavy lifting down low and and all 630 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 6: of those type of things, get an open spots. Let 631 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 6: his you know, let Hartman, who's got to be better, 632 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 6: and and zu Carello get the puck and find him. 633 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 6: And zu Corello did on the you know, on the 634 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 6: on the pass back and forth and and and he 635 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 6: put it away. And I'd love to see more of that. 636 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 6: And I think, you know, once he does that, he'll 637 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 6: get more productive. 638 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that line. I was going to add 639 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: on to that. 640 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 5: You know, I thought caprice Off and even that line 641 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 5: played well in Boston the game before, and I just 642 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 5: felt like Capriceoff is more engaged in battles and one 643 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 5: on one battles at the corner, which is something that 644 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 5: he's what he can separate himself from other superstars in 645 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 5: those areas, right those small areas and not getting knocked 646 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 5: off the puck. And you know, last night, I thought 647 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 5: that line, especially as you mentioned second period on when 648 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 5: you get that the Zugarello, capriceoff chemistry back where they're 649 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 5: making those cross ice passes with the one timers. 650 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: Hartman. I think Hartman's been playing pretty well lately. 651 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 5: He looks like he's turning into playoff left the Ryan 652 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 5: Hartman we saw in the playoffs last season and has 653 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 5: been a good fit with those centering those two. I 654 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 5: feel like that line is starting to come together. But 655 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 5: I know we still have a little bit of waste 656 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 5: so each the playoffs, but it's starting to turn in 657 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 5: the right direction, at least with those three. 658 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, and maybe I'm being too hard on him, you know, 659 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 6: because I didn't think they had a a good first period, 660 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 6: but but they started to find it in the second period. 661 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 6: And and you know, you see once you know, once 662 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 6: the puckets on Zukarostick, he'll find he'll find the guy. 663 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 6: And and and maybe it was just Capresop, you know, 664 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 6: not getting to the areas that that he should have, 665 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 6: and he did starting in that second period, and you 666 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 6: started to see them go and and Hartman, you know, 667 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 6: we talked about it, Brandon, you know, he could have 668 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 6: been their best player in the playoffs last year. And 669 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 6: and and so you know, if he's you know, he's 670 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 6: and he's approaching what did he get his twentieth last 671 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 6: night or nineteen something like that, and so, uh, you know, 672 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 6: I mean they're they're they're going to be key, no question. 673 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 6: In the playoffs. 674 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 5: Well it's funny, you know, law was made of Marco 675 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 5: Rossi being lowered in the lineup last year after Game 676 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 5: one of the of the playoffs series and moving down 677 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 5: to the fourth line. Yeah, what people don't talk about 678 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 5: is part of that was Ian Hartman had to be 679 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 5: elevated because he was playing. Yes, he had such a 680 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 5: great game one that you had to elevate him. And 681 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 5: it just happened to me that you know, you're not 682 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 5: gonna you're not gonna take what jewel Eric's the next 683 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 5: playing time. 684 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 6: No, and and you know, and that's the thing that 685 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 6: guys have to realize, and even Mark, I mean, look 686 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 6: at the depth that Minnesota has now and the ability 687 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 6: for Hinz to move guys to center or wing or 688 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 6: down or up or out of the lineup, you know, 689 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 6: to to win. To win, you're gonna need everybody. Everybody's 690 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 6: gonna have to know that, you know, based on matchups, 691 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 6: based on you know what whatever the coach is feeling 692 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 6: and and you know, guys are going to be in 693 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 6: and out of the lineup. Look at you know, Nick 694 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 6: Felino out of the lineup last night. Do I you know, 695 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 6: do I expect him in for Game one? Maybe? Maybe not. 696 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 6: I mean, we'll see and and it all depends, you 697 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 6: know what you know, what Dallas is throwing out there 698 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 6: for example, and and what you need to beat them, 699 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 6: and if they lose the first game or if they 700 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 6: win the first game. But the great thing is, the 701 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 6: great thing is is that they have the depth to 702 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 6: do that now. And you know, if you get buying 703 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 6: from everybody, then then I think things could could go 704 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 6: the wild way. 705 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 5: I'm curious what you think of what's your confidence level 706 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 5: on the goaltending moving to the playoffs? Pat, I'm one 707 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 5: of those where I like Philip Gustison. I don't know 708 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 5: if I love him. Yeah, I do feel like and 709 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 5: I get he's still young and he's not dependable at 710 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 5: this point, but I still feel like, yesper Valstad still 711 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 5: at some point. 712 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: It's gonna be go. I just I feel like Valstad's 713 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: going to have. 714 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 5: More capability of stealing a game or stealing a series 715 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 5: than Gustafson. I mean, Gustafson, I think is one that 716 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 5: you can you can win with as long as you're 717 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 5: playing well around him. But I don't know if he's 718 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 5: just going to like flat out steal one for you 719 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 5: or steal games for you. Right, how do you approach 720 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 5: how do you what is your confidence level? And the 721 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 5: goaltending and and and if you're if you're John Hines, 722 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 5: how would you be approaching it? 723 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 6: You want my hot take, I'm going to give you 724 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 6: my hot take. I think Volstead is going to take 725 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 6: over at some point in the playoffs. I think they're 726 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 6: going to start with Gustuson. But you know what, I 727 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 6: look back to the past and in the big games. 728 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 6: I'll go back to last year that Anaheim game where 729 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 6: he had to get pulled because he was sick, he 730 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 6: threw up or whatever. Same thing happened in the Four 731 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 6: Nations with Sweden had to pull him because he, you know, 732 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 6: he got sick. I don't know if it's if he 733 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 6: was legitimately sick or he get sick because he can't 734 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 6: handle the moment. 735 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: I think he had to go to the bathroom in 736 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: the third period a couple of weeks ago. 737 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 6: Well, exactly exactly, and so for me, I don't know 738 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 6: what it is. And and and you know, let's look 739 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 6: at compared to uh dust of Sid Lurie just you know, 740 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 6: he just exudes confidence and the guys playing in front 741 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 6: of him and they see that and they and they 742 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 6: really want to play for him. I don't know if 743 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 6: personality wise or I shouldn't say, I don't know. I 744 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 6: don't know if I trust if he has that yet. Yeah, 745 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 6: you know, he's fine, he's a good goalie, he's all 746 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 6: of that. But man, he's got to prove it to me. 747 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 6: And again, if there's one area that concerns me, it's 748 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 6: it's right there in the net. Well. 749 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 5: And obviously when you're looking at you know, they're playing 750 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 5: the Dallas Stars first first round of playoffs, when you're 751 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 5: trying to do the tail the tape of how you 752 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 5: match up against Dallas, that is the area where you'd 753 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 5: probably think Dallas has the advantage in the series. Is 754 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 5: Otteneur versus Gustafson, assuming gust of sins. 755 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 6: The one going, yeah, I think it's a really even matchup, 756 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 6: and and it could come down to who's going to 757 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 6: make that who's going to make that game, that goal 758 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 6: that saved in game seven or whatever, in the elimination game. 759 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 6: Let's let's just call it the elimination game because we 760 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 6: don't know how long it's going to go, but in 761 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 6: that elimination game, to either win it for you or 762 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 6: force another game. And so, uh, you're you know that 763 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 6: that's that'll that is really going to be the key, 764 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 6: uh in this first round. 765 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 5: You know, we saw Quinn Hughes and Brock Faber reunited 766 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 5: as a defensive pairing last night. For a while there, 767 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 5: Quinn had been with Jared Spurgeon, Favor with Rodine. I 768 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 5: don't know what your thoughts are, Pat, I like those 769 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 5: two together better. I know the argument when they were was, hey, 770 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 5: it'll allow Favor to play a little bit more offensively. 771 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 5: I still think he plays offense with Quinn Hughes, I don't. 772 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 5: I don't think that that takes away from it. And 773 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 5: in fact, I think, uh, you know, Quinn can put 774 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 5: him in spots to create offensively that maybe others can't. 775 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 5: And frankly, you know, I thought Quinn was real good 776 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 5: last night, But up until last night, he'd been pretty 777 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 5: leaky defensively. Pat, he's having issues just not even tying 778 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 5: up guys in front of the net, turning pucks over, 779 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 5: losing battles. We've seen him probably at his worst. We've 780 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 5: seen him all year, the Boston game of the game 781 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 5: before that. I think Favor is your best defensive defenseman. 782 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 5: And if Quinn Hughes does break down a little bit defensively, 783 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 5: I think Brock is the best of covering for him. 784 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 6: Does does that not tell you how valuable how good 785 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 6: brock Favor is, because you're dead on right. I notice, Brandon, 786 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 6: that when Hughes and Favor are together, you see an 787 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 6: extra little jump in Favor, meaning meaning you know, Hughes 788 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 6: gets him in the position to be offensive and he 789 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,439 Speaker 6: goes and I mean you don't, I mean, we don't 790 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 6: under understand how how great a skater Brock Favor is. 791 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 6: And once he gets going, you know, and he can 792 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 6: handle the buckety can make a play, and you're you're 793 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 6: dead on with that, and and he has the ability 794 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 6: to cover for for Hughes when when Hughes, you know, 795 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 6: because Hughes isn't great defensively, you know, and let's just 796 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 6: admit it, he's not. He's an offensive defenseman who is 797 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 6: fabulous at that. But he needs help on the defensive 798 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,879 Speaker 6: side and favors there to do that. And so yeah, 799 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 6: they're they're gonna have to play together. And and and listen, 800 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 6: Spurgeon and Brodeen have been together for how many years 801 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 6: I've really lost track, you probably know off the top 802 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,439 Speaker 6: of your head, but really since they won, right, maybe 803 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 6: maybe Spurge in a year before Brodeen, But so, you know, 804 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 6: having those two together, I think that's the you know, 805 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 6: the right way to go ahead into the playoffs. 806 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 5: Now, assuming let's say, let's say Game one of the 807 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 5: playoffs was tomorrow against Dallas, how would you structure the 808 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 5: forward line specifically kind of your bottom six, because it 809 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 5: seems like they've been kind of rotating players and now 810 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 5: you're offset for a little bit. Nick Folinosa that last night, 811 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 5: you know they're gonna be in a spot where Bobby 812 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 5: Brink a euro A, Nick Filino, someone like that, it 813 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 5: is probably gonna have to sit game one in the 814 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 5: playoffs and really probably aren't deserving to be sitting. 815 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 6: I probably should Brink to be quite honest with you, 816 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,919 Speaker 6: I really like Nick Fillino's presence in the lineup, whether 817 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,879 Speaker 6: it be you know, probably in the fourth line, third line, 818 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 6: however you want to slice it. But I think if 819 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 6: you're going into Dallas in the in the in the 820 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 6: you know any more, it probably is going to be 821 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 6: Dallas homece. 822 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 2: Yes. 823 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 6: So that being said, you know, I'd rather go in 824 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 6: there and and and really make your presence knowing that 825 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 6: you know what we're here to play, whether you win 826 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 6: game one or lose game one, if you set the 827 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 6: precedent that hey, if you think this is gonna be 828 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 6: an easy series, you're dead wrong, and then you make 829 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,439 Speaker 6: your adjustments from there. Or you know, if you win 830 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 6: game one, you wrote the same lineup in game two 831 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 6: and and you know, then try to steal game two 832 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 6: with that with that same mentality. If not, then you 833 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 6: have the ability to bring to bring in Brink if 834 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 6: you need them, you know, for a certain matchup or 835 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 6: whatever the case may be. And that goes back, you know, 836 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 6: to the depth that I'm that I would that we 837 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 6: were talking about, and so you know, I like your 838 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 6: off speed, I like I like I like what he 839 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 6: does out there, and and so you know, you mix 840 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 6: that in a little bit. So I definitely have Nick 841 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 6: Polino on your lineup, and if that's pulling Bobby Brink 842 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 6: from for Game one, you know, so be it. It's 843 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,359 Speaker 6: if you're gonna win the Stanley Cup, you are going 844 00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 6: to absolutely need everybody and so and if you communicate 845 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,359 Speaker 6: that to your team, then it should be no big 846 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 6: deal that player X or player Y is sitting out 847 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 6: that first game because you know what you're going to 848 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 6: get in at some point and you may play a big, 849 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,800 Speaker 6: big role in winning a game, winning a series, whatever 850 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 6: the case may be. 851 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,439 Speaker 5: You know, it's funny you bring up Bbby Brink because 852 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 5: I pose this question or this comment on X I 853 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 5: don't know a week or two ago, and I threw 854 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 5: up Brink as one of the names that potentially could 855 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 5: be sitting out week one, and just the amount of 856 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 5: comments that got going, No, you can't pull Bobby bring 857 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 5: blah blah blah. 858 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: And I think you know a lot of a lot 859 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:35,240 Speaker 1: of fans. 860 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 5: And this goes back to the Team USA roster construction, right, 861 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 5: They look at stats and they go, well, Bobby Brink 862 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 5: is going to provide more offense for you than a 863 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 5: Nick Folino. He's going to provide more offense for you 864 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 5: than some of these other guys in your bottom six. 865 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 1: And I don't disagree with that. 866 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,839 Speaker 5: You know, the problem is for Bobby Brink to play 867 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 5: in the playoffs, he has to provide offense because. 868 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: He's not going to do faceoffs for you. He's not 869 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: gonna kill penalties. 870 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 5: And when you're playing the Dallas Stars, we've seen this 871 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 5: in the past, Pat, you better be able to kill 872 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 5: penalties and you better be able to win faceoffs against them. 873 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,800 Speaker 5: And I do think they're going to put a premium 874 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 5: on those guys in the bottom six. 875 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 6: Well, and here's another factor that people never bring in 876 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 6: into the equation. You know, you can look at analytical 877 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 6: stats about you know, goals for you know, chances all that. 878 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 6: Sometimes it's not sometimes like sending a message like we're 879 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 6: coming in and we're going to hit you. Yeah, and 880 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 6: we're and you, we're going to stop you, We're going 881 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 6: to frustrate you, and you know all of those things 882 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 6: that are a big factor in winning sixteen games to 883 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 6: win the Cup. And so you know, some nights it 884 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 6: may be different where you know what we're going to 885 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 6: go and we're going to. 886 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 2: Play you know, a really i'll. 887 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 6: Call it clean game, try to be offensive, try to 888 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 6: really score, you know, and and all those type of 889 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 6: things where uh, you know, other nights, you're gonna have 890 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,479 Speaker 6: to say, you know what, we're gonna We're really gonna 891 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 6: lay a Ford check on you. We're gonna make it 892 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 6: tough and hard, and you're not going to get through 893 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 6: the middle of the ice and it and uh and 894 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 6: your in your top end guys are going to feel 895 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 6: it when we hit you and and so I you know, 896 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 6: sometimes I think we just get overblown by, you know, 897 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 6: goals for or expected goals or you know, it's not 898 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,800 Speaker 6: just all about offense. There's other things, other parts of 899 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,959 Speaker 6: the game that you have to win if you're gonna 900 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 6: win the Cup. 901 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 5: Pat, always love chatting with you. I can't wait to 902 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 5: hear you. I Beyond the Pond tomorrow tenam until noon. 903 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 6: Thanks Brandon, thanks for having you. 904 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 5: Later yep, Pat mcletty, I guess said he'll be co 905 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 5: hosting Beyond the Pond along with Kevin Fallins tomorrow. Up next, 906 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 5: Matt Max and I will do some big bikes, big bites, 907 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 5: all the great audio from yesterday and the world of 908 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,880 Speaker 5: sports especial here local talking, wild Timberwolves, twins and some 909 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 5: other stuff. 910 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 1: Will do that next