1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Complin on Thursday Night Football, the Bengals look to toss 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: the Steelers into the recycling bin. There's a lot I 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: can say about Pittsburgh, but none of it can be 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 1: set on the radio. The Bengals slug it out with 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: the Steelers tomorrow. Coverage begins at three pm. Stream for 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: free on the new and improved iHeartRadio app or ESPN 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: There has to be somewhere out there in Ohio State 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 2: fan who has a Big ten plus login, right, who 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: watches like the rowing team ors. Ohio State has every 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: sport conceivable, the wrestling team, equestrian squad, and they watch 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: those events on the Big ten plus that they pay 13 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: thirteen dollars a month for. So if I could just 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: borrow that login on Friday, I'm not going to do 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: anything else with it, right, just want to watch the 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: Bearcats plague against Michigan. We're both going to be rooting again. 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: It's Michigan in that game, right, So I'm just trying 18 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: to save thirteen dollars. 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 3: So if you. 20 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: Know, if you're an obviously you're not, you don't need 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: Big ten plus for Buckeyes football, but big ten plus 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: for you know, if you'd like to watch the golf 23 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: team play. Why day is a good golf team. I'm 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: sure it. Just let me borrow the login Friday night 25 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 2: and I'll do you a solid. I have nothing to 26 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: reciprocate with, but that would be nice. Robert wy trub 27 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 2: is with us again, a typical Thursday guest. But you know, 28 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 2: everything's different this week. Everything's really it's gonna be different 29 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: for a while. Everything's different this week because of the 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: game tomorrow. So I asked Robert to join us before 31 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: his weekly column is even up. He does write one 32 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: for Cincinnati Magazine. You could read it weekly at Cincinnati 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: Magazine dot Comedy's with us now, Hi, Robert. 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: Hey, I feel naked joining you before the column is 35 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 3: even that. What am I supposed to refer to? I'll 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: just have to wink it, Yeah, try and spitball my 37 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: way through weekly segment. 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: I too feel naked for reasons that have nothing to 39 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: do with your column. All right, So, so I viewed 40 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: the game against Green Bay as a preseason game. The 41 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: result they weren't going to win that one, right, So 42 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: all right, let's let's see if they can do some 43 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 2: stuff during that game that they can build on. I'm 44 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: not sure we saw that defensively. I do think we 45 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: saw with Joe Flacco. Did we see enough to make 46 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: us believe they could upset the Pittsburgh Steelers. 47 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 3: Well, I'll say this, there's one critical difference between that 48 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: and a preseason game, which is, as you were just 49 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: alluding to, being a football fan is expensive, right, an 50 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 3: entertainment product. The Bengals without Flacco, with Browning in there 51 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: were just unwatchable and they made you eat all the 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 3: money or you know, God forbid you paid to go 53 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 3: to the game. So the ultimate sin in football, especially 54 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 3: the NFL, was to be so execrable and dysfunctional that 55 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: you make you want to turn the TV off basically, So, 56 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 3: you know, Flacco gave them that. They were obviously in 57 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 3: the game in the second half. It was it was 58 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: a decent TV product. They had a chance. So, yeah, 59 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: they had also a lot of opportunity to as we'll 60 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: probably get to work on some things and do a 61 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: lot of things they probably wouldn't any game. They weren't 62 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 3: sort of shadow throwing away. It felt like a little 63 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 3: bit given Flaco's brand newness to the offense in the fact, 64 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: they probably weren't going to beat the Packers, at least 65 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 3: they didn't think going in, despite what they talked about 66 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: post game. But yeah, I think obviously now they have 67 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: the Steelers coming in the Ben Gay Bowl. You know, 68 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: they have the young bucket, the two quarterbacks with Flaco 69 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 3: and Aaron Rodgers. It's a tough matchup in a couple 70 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: of senses, but you know, they can definitely win the game. 71 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: I don't think Mike Tomlin would have been so upset 72 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 3: at his press conference if she didn't recognize the fact 73 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 3: that Blaco gives them a much better chance than Jake 74 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 3: Browning did. The Steelers killed Jake Browning in twenty twenty 75 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: three twice. I'm sure they were licking their chops to 76 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 3: play him. Flaco made the offense functional. He got the 77 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 3: ball just like we were talking about last week. He 78 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: got rid of it in time and quickly got out 79 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: of bad plays, didn't turn bad plays into worst plays, 80 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 3: and you know, the dreaded cliche kept them ahead of 81 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: the chains. He did that and gave them a chance 82 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 3: to win the game with a couple of things even 83 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: broke right for them, and you know, seem to recognize 84 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: that throwing the ball in the general, as Simea Jamar Chase, 85 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,559 Speaker 3: is always a good thing, so they have a crack. 86 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: You know, the Steelers and Aaron Rodgers have played pretty 87 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: functional themselves in a lot of ways. Rogers is doing 88 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: for Pittsburgh what Placo did for the Bengals in the 89 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: second half. You know, he's not turning the ball over. 90 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 3: He has only three picks. And you know the bad 91 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: news is Steelers lead the league in yards per catch, 92 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 3: yards after the catch for reception, which means they've been 93 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: breaking tackles and of course the Bengals don't make many tackles, 94 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: so that's a matchup there are no doubt can exploit, 95 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 3: especially if the rookie linebackers play as we assume they are. 96 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: The Steelers have a good record. I think a lot 97 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: of us are trying to figure out really how good 98 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: they are? What do what do the advanced metrics tell us? 99 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 3: Well, their defense is very good. I don't think that's 100 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: been any surprise we expect the coming into the season, 101 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 3: we expected them to lean heavily on their defense, and 102 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: that's what the events metrics tell us. They're right at 103 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 3: the top of the league in pressure rate. They're in 104 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 3: the top ten in DV away, and they're doing the 105 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: things you expect them to do. Their one flaw is 106 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 3: that they have had trouble guarding number one enemy wide receivers, 107 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: which might actually play in this thing's nice hands. Jamar 108 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: Chase is no doubt noting that, and he's had successful 109 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 3: games against the Steelers certainly before. And you know, offensively, 110 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 3: like I alluded to, they're not trying to do anything 111 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: particularly fancy. They're not asking Aaron Rodgers to do the 112 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 3: things his ancient body can't do. And you know, they're 113 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 3: sort of middle of the pack, which is what they expected. 114 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: But they have offensive line issues and they're mitigating it 115 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 3: by their style of play. And the key will be, 116 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: you know what, which team can get the other out 117 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: of their quasi comfort zone. I guess first and make 118 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: the other team make a mistake. And given the fact 119 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: that the Steelers defense has certainly been better than the 120 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 3: Bengals defense has been through the first you know, five 121 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: to six weeks of the seas and you have to 122 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: give them the advantage in that sense. But you know, 123 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 3: a short week home game primetime, anything can happen. 124 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: Robert win Trump is with his check for his weekly 125 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: Bengals column at Cincinnati Magazine dot com. They're benching Logan Wilson. 126 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: We saw them give a lot of playing time to 127 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 2: Barrett Carter. This defense needs a spark, This defense needs 128 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: guys who can make tackles. What do you make on 129 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 2: what they've done with a guy that a lot of 130 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: us thought was kind of gonna be the anchor of 131 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 2: the defense this season. 132 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and a lot of us thought that because 133 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 3: that's exactly what Al Golden said was gonna happen all 134 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 3: off season. Basically, let's build around Logan Wilson, get a 135 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: couple of understudies and rookies to work with him and 136 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: sort of transform the defense in the middle there. And 137 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: it's kind of, you know, contradicting it not only himself, 138 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 3: but it also is sort of like, what are the 139 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 3: Bengals doing here? And one breath they're telling you, oh, 140 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 3: we still have a great chance. We brought in Flaco, 141 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 3: we want to you know, not punt on the season. 142 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: And yet in this move it almost seems like, you know, 143 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: let's give the kids a chance in a low pressure situation. 144 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 3: The season's gone anyway without Joe Burrow playing let's throw 145 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: them in there. We're going to have to turn over 146 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: the defense of them eventually. Let's give them all their 147 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: you know, reps now while the pressure is a little 148 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: bit off. So in that sense, it's a little strange. 149 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: I can understand what they were thinking sort of, but 150 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: you know, and then you see that mistackles and lining 151 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: up in the wrong place and kind of doing the 152 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 3: wrong thing really hurt them in the Green Bay game. 153 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: And you know, it's one thing to have it happened 154 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: against the Packers in the game you're expected to lose. 155 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: But now you've got a division game in prime time standalone. 156 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: You hope that we don't have a repeat of that 157 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: on Thursday night, for sure. 158 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: Well said really quick. The difference, and I've talked about 159 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: this this week. The difference between three and four and 160 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: two and five feels massive because then we start talking 161 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: about Pittsburgh running away with it, and here we start 162 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: talking about the trade deadline. Trey Hendrickson would be the 163 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: most frequently discussed guy. But by the way, for what 164 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: it's worth of Trey, just a few moment moments ago, 165 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: showed up on the injury report as questionable, which is 166 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: a small step in the right direction beyond him. If 167 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: that's what we're doing in a week, who are some 168 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: other guys they can maybe get something for. 169 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 3: Well, what if I flipped it around and told you 170 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: what they really should do. Not only would they trade Hendrickson, 171 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: which you imagine they would probably try to do, but 172 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: what if they looked over to another terrible team that 173 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 3: just fired their coach, our friend will Brian Callahan, and said, 174 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: you know what, we've never been able to get a 175 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: defensive tackling here. Since you know Atkins who could rush 176 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: the passer, Let's give a pick already since we can't 177 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: draft one, and get Jeffrey Simmons over to Yeah. I 178 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: know you wouldn't know this season per se, but it 179 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: would be a center of gravity you can build around. 180 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: Look to the future. You know, you had your quarterback 181 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: coming back eventually, and U you know, maybe it's not 182 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: a direct Hendrickson for Simmons Trey, but it works out 183 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: that way in terms of the picks. And uh, you know, 184 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 3: you get rid of an aging guy you don't want 185 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 3: to pay next year for sure, they've made that clear, 186 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: and you bring in the guy who's twenty eight, has 187 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: a decent contract and is obviously an excellent player, and 188 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: finally he gets some interior pass rush and and a 189 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: real dominator on the inside. Now, will they do it? 190 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: Will the Titans do it? Probably not. Will the Bengals 191 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 3: do it? Almost absolutely. It's the first thing I thought about. 192 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: And you know, whether they trade, you know, Logan Wilson, 193 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 3: let's say for a mid round pick. Whatever. I don't 194 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: think any of that loves the needle. Let's think big. 195 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: We still got a little bit opportunity to maybe win 196 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: our third game of the season. What the heck, We're 197 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: in dream state right now, mom, we are. 198 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: We are in dream state and you're naked, so it's 199 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: it's getting weird. I appreciate you adjusting your schedule for us. 200 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: We'll talk next week. 201 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 3: These things happen when you get me on Wednesday. 202 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: Awesome stuff, man, I appreciate it. Robert win Trob Bengals 203 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: column coming out at Cinsion Magazine dot com. Roberte thee Man, 204 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: thanks so. 205 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: Much, you too, Thanks both all. 206 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: Lincoln Griffin is back with the Cyclones and he is 207 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: going to join us. 208 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: Next Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. 209 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 4: Traffic from the UC Health to Graphics Center the UC 210 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 4: Health's Women's Sports Medicine Program provides specialized care for female 211 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 4: athletes at all levels. Schedule and appointment online at UCHealth 212 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 4: dot com. There is a new accident in that is 213 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 4: on Queen City Avenue between Grand Avenue and Van Heart 214 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 4: Street on eastbound State Route thirty two. Though still got 215 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 4: that accident between Ronny Lane and Mount Carmel Tabasco Road 216 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 4: on Dixie Highway. Another accident over at Crescentville Road. I'm 217 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 4: at Ezelic with traffic. 218 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: This report is