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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Moegger Show, ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm

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Speaker 1: lost to know more in form today, informo on Wednesday

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Speaker 1: as well. And the biggest story in sports over the

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Speaker 1: weekend is not what happened at Great American Ballpark, although

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Speaker 1: maybe we should begin building the South Stewart Statue instead.

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Speaker 1: It's what happened in the NCAA tournament. The Elite eight

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Speaker 1: now down to the final four, and here to talk

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Speaker 1: to us about it. Is the host of the Rebound

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Speaker 1: Rundown podcast and affectionately known to many as Mister College Basketball.

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Speaker 1: His name is Paul Fritchner, and he joins us. Now, Hi, Paul,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing so so well after this weekend, Austin.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing? Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm wonderful and thank you for making the time and

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Speaker 1: and you know, I knew you were a little bit

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Speaker 1: hesitant because you didn't want me to mention your bracket

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Speaker 1: and the fact that you're one hundred and twenty third

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Speaker 1: and just seventy six percent in your bracket, so I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to mention any that stuff. How do you

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that's no problem. How do you explain what happened?

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Speaker 1: Yesterday with Duke and Yukon, Well, Yukon happened and.

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Speaker 2: To an extent with the way that's been going the

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Speaker 2: last couple of years. But I mean, it really is

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Speaker 2: when you look at this trends and how Duke has

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Speaker 2: played in their biggest games, but look at their last

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Speaker 2: four losses overall, They've only lost four games in the

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Speaker 2: last calendar year. All four of them they've blown a.

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Speaker 3: Double digit lead.

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Speaker 2: You think back to what happened last year in the

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Speaker 2: Final four, and then this year in their three losses

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Speaker 2: this season to in a regular season, and then the

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Speaker 2: one yesterday. The story for John Shier and these Blue

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Speaker 2: Devils has been when they've lost, and it hasn't been often,

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Speaker 2: but when they've lost, it's been blowing a big lead.

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Speaker 2: And on the other hand, for Yukon, Dan Hurley is

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Speaker 2: still undefeated in the Sweet sixteen and beyond. They just

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Austin, Yeah, that's the thing, because they have had these

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Speaker 1: moments like where you know that they're talented, but they

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Speaker 1: well through the first couple rounds of the tournament. But

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Speaker 1: do you think that's the type of win for Yukon

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Speaker 1: that can propel them now coming up in this final four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you look at this game on Saturday against Illinois,

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Speaker 2: that's basically going to be a pick them.

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Speaker 3: I saw.

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Speaker 2: I think it opened it a point and a half

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Speaker 2: to Illinois, But that's basically going to be a pick them.

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Speaker 2: And you remember a couple of years ago in twenty

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Speaker 2: not have all the players on the team that remember that, right,

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, the coaching staff, these two

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Speaker 2: to be definitely some get back kind of mentality there

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Speaker 2: on paper, do they match up very well with Michigan

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Speaker 3: No, they don't. I think either one.

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Speaker 2: Whoever wins that second game on Saturday night's going to

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Speaker 3: But who am I to doubt Dan Hurley and these

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. And you I want to

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Speaker 1: got a bunch of talent from overseas. They've got a

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Speaker 2: You look at two teams in this final four, Arizona

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Speaker 2: And these these two teams have really placed an emphasis

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Speaker 2: You think back to the last couple of years, yakachonas

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Speaker 2: the international recruiting has set them apart. And you think

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Speaker 2: know why can't the G League guys play, Well, it's different, right,

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Speaker 3: And I think you're right. I think that for the

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Speaker 1: You may not know the answer to this question. I

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Speaker 1: I wonder what the impacts on the NBA will be

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's only getting big. You look at

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Speaker 2: International basketball in the United States doesn't have the same edge.

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Speaker 3: That they always did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to the other final four game, Michigan

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Speaker 1: in Arizona. It pains me to say this, Paul, but

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Speaker 1: I think Michigan is the best team in the country.

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to win the national championship. What

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Speaker 3: We'll see.

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Speaker 2: But I do think whoever wins that game, if it's

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Speaker 3: These are two of the best.

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Speaker 3: To put it in perspective, you.

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Speaker 3: To be I mean it should. It should be built

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Speaker 2: Hopefully, if the national media does this right, this should

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Speaker 1: So let's say your prediction is true. Let's say Arizona

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think they've only made five the other day.

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Speaker 2: they can score, their dynamic, they have positional size. I

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Speaker 2: just I think Arizona plays the games a little bit

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Speaker 2: if Michigan wins this game, I will not be surprised.

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Speaker 1: Talking to Paul Fritchner. He's the host of the Rebound

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Speaker 1: Rundown podcast, and if you haven't heard it, he goes

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Speaker 1: in depth with all of the local college basketball teams.

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Speaker 1: Does a great job, Paul. We haven't had a chance

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Speaker 1: yet to talk about you see, hiring Jared Calhoun. It

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Speaker 1: felt like a layup and it was a layup that

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Speaker 1: you see seem to convert. Why is Jared Calhoun, in

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Speaker 1: your mind a fit with the Bearcats.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a fit because of what he's going

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Speaker 2: to be able to do offensively, and it's such a

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Speaker 2: drastically different style than what Bearcat fans are used to.

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Speaker 2: I was joking with somebody about this the other day

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Speaker 2: about how you see fans for decades have been used

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Speaker 2: to winning the grinded out maybe some lower scoring games

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Speaker 2: that's not exactly what.

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Speaker 3: You're going to get here.

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Speaker 2: You're going to get a more dynamic offense, You're going

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Speaker 2: He is in the tree of Bob Huggins. This is

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Speaker 2: everything that a Cincinnati higher should be in Jared Calhoun,

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Speaker 1: What about the defense that I've heard that from a

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Speaker 2: His metrics over the years at Youngstown State, which again

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Speaker 2: Know, to an extent, I think the I think for Calhoun,

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Speaker 2: He hasn't ever really had a problem offensively. But he

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Speaker 2: And I know you might think to yourself like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'll just be interested. I don't think it's that much

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Speaker 3: I think it is.

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Speaker 2: If there is a concern, that would be it. But

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a xavier question before we let you go.

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Speaker 1: The portal is set to open in just a few days.

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Speaker 1: What is Xavier's plan or target or plan of attack

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think most of the roster is going to

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Speaker 2: turn over. Yovon Malichovich, who was one of the best

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Speaker 3: He'll be back.

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Speaker 2: You'd like to retain a guy in Gabe Pizzato who

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Speaker 2: was working off with torn maniscus this year. If there

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Speaker 2: As far as retention goes, you didn't see Pizzato play

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Speaker 3: He was hurt.

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Speaker 2: But as far as retention from this year's team, you

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Speaker 2: bring those two back, you got to get a point

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Speaker 2: That's easier said than done, right, there are only so

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Speaker 2: many guys. You can say the portal's filled with guys

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Speaker 2: Everybody wants a big man, everybody wants a point guard.

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Speaker 2: You got to compete with that from portalers across the country.

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Speaker 2: So that's going to be Zavier's focus. You have to

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Speaker 3: Helpful for the Musketeers this offseason. Now, you just got

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Speaker 1: His name's Paul Fritchner. He hosts the Rebound Rundown podcast. Paul,

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time and listen. I know you're

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Speaker 1: in the car with Adam Baum and there's something you

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Speaker 1: need to know. Make sure that Adam knows I have

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Speaker 1: not forgotten that he owes me a debt and I

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Speaker 1: am still expecting payment. Okay, so please make sure you

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Speaker 1: relay that message to Adam for me.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he heard you.

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Speaker 2: He heard you loud and clear, so he knows good.

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Speaker 1: All right, Paul, thank you, I bet it is. Paul,

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, man.

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Speaker 3: All right, you got it off.

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Speaker 1: That is Paul Frischner from The Rebound Rundown. Seriously, if

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Speaker 1: you haven't listened to it yet, available wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcast. Great stuff, especially if if you're like me

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Speaker 1: and you don't know that much about college basketball. Paul

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