WEBVTT - 10-9-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:02.080 I want to be an American idiot. 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:05.600 There we go slowly back on seven hundred wlw wood 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:08.880 a day with a day with a day, always be 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:13.600 scared when a politician goes it's about the children. 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:18.200 It's about the children, remember, And it happens all the 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:22.000 time when people on when progressives talk about doing things 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:25.920 and protecting and saving the children, and tongue in cheek, 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.920 conservatives laugh at them and go, my god, there's exploiting 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.680 the kids. What happens when it's the other way. I 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:36.040 wonder if democrats and progressives are chuckling when Republicans do 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.279 it and conservatives do it, because that's what's happening now. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:40.880 It's about the children. Got to save the children. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:48.400 Governor Mike Dwine and his jihad against anything pleasurable like 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.559 Hemp or Potts on full display this morning, as the 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:55.280 governor has issued a ninety day ban on THC infused 0:00:55.280 --> 0:01:00.320 gummies and beverages sold outside of licensed marijuana dispensaries. So 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.280 if you're a retailer, you got to pull all these products, 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.120 all sales, all the displays after there can be no 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:09.360 sight of anything CBD related after October fourteenth. Got to 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.039 be gone by October fourteenth, midnight twelve o one am, 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.399 October fourteenth. Otherwise, well, you're gonna get You're gonna get 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.119 a good talking to is what's going to happen there. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.000 So what does it mean for small businesses in Ohio? 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:21.960 What does that mean for you as an adult and 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.160 choosing what goes into your body. You're still going to 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.200 be able to get CBD seltzer at a bar, which 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.640 is extremely popular. A lot of questions. I don't know 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:30.959 how many answers they have, but maybe got caught up. 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:35.680 And this is Jason Friedman. Jason runs Ohio CBD Guys 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.600 stores in the East Walnut Hills and Montgomery and Jose 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:38.960 the show. Now, Jason, how are you man? 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:40.440 Doing great? 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:41.680 Thanks for having me on, Scott. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.120 Well, I appreciate you losing money and doing your part, 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.679 and maybe your business goes away to save the children. 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:48.800 It's the least you could do if you cared about children. 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:53.760 Damn it, Jason, you wouldn't sell these products to adults. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.240 Oh my goodness, it's been quite a forty eight hour 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:02.240 Scott feeling frustrated but actually cautiously optimistic. Here, okay, this 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.720 is the first step in cannabis reform here locally to 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:07.240 legalize this stuff, I believe. 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:11.160 Yeah, well we'll start with this, okay. And I understand 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.480 I'm kind of tongue in cheek about this because it's 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.079 concerning if if you know, they do an undercover operation 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.920 and a nefarious retail er could be like it's a 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:20.760 carryout or something like that, and they go in and 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.840 they buy a product that that feels like, taste like, 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.720 and has the same effects as marijuana, which is controlled 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.600 in Ohio. That that's a problem. That means, you know, 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:32.960 there can sell it to people underage, which is not 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.000 a good thing at all. And some of these products 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.760 mimic candy packaging. The one that the wine was holding 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.240 up with Sour Patch Kids looks just like Sour Patch Kids, 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.840 you know, stuff like that, like packaging, and you know, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.359 and the fact that somebody to carry out would sell 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.920 this to a teenager or a twelve year old that 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.240 bothers me. That should not be happening. But it doesn't 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.680 mean you should ban it, but we need to control that, agreed. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:55.240 I agree. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.280 And while I the governor's focus on regulating these intoxicating 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.799 hemp prockets and keeping them away from and not marketed 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:06.000 to children, which we are aligned on. I disagree with 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.960 the methodology to which he's using to achieve his goal, 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.200 which is disastrous to small businesses like mine. 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.200 It really doesn't make a lot of sense because they 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.280 had a chance, and he's been pushing the legislature to 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.519 do something. Legislatures and done anything, and so now the 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.040 edict as well, we're going to ban it for everybody. 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:22.480 That doesn't make any sense. 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.880 If the legislature can't legislate, that's on those who we 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.680 send a columbus to do our bidding for us. 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:28.919 That's something you all got to figure out. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.280 But issuing a ninety day ban and all this stuff, 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:36.680 which is largely almost all exclusively consumed by adults, is nonsensical. 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.600 Correct, And my understanding is that he took this action 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:45.480 to motivate the legislators to pass this. But I asked, 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.640 is there another way that we could have gone about 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.600 doing this other than a way that's going to damage 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.640 small businesses? Called can cause lots of confusion. There's still 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:59.200 clarification that's needed on what the definition of intoxicating HEMP 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.840 means in this order? Are we talking about anything with THHC, 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.360 including CBD tinctures that might have a little bit not 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.960 going to get you high, but it's got THHC in it, 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.320 or are we talking about a specific milligram dosage. There's 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.360 still a lot of things that need to be cleared 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.719 up before October fourteenth, Scott. 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.680 Yeah, and that's that's a short time. But the problem 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.120 is is that retail is like yourself, right, And what 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.760 happened to conservatives being about the small business guy in 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.640 business and let business do what they do. I don't 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.920 know a lot of people like yourself have tons of stuff. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:34.440 You have storefronts, but we have manufacturers and retailers that 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.159 make their living and make money off of this product. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:38.640 And all of a sudden, now when the blank of eye, 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.680 the governor of Waves's magic wand and says now it's 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.080 going to be illegal at midnight. That doesn't look like democracy. 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.080 That doesn't look like small governed government conservatism to me, 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.280 especially because it's politically motivated. 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.400 I agree one hundred percent. And I also think the 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.120 government needs to understand that while there are bad actors 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.320 out there in these gas stations and smoke shops, there 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.440 are a large number of responsible business owners like myself 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.560 that check IDs don't sell products that have any kid 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.880 focused marketing. Only sell products that are third party lab 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.080 tested and have those tests available to the customer via 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.760 QR code on the packaging. We've been operating responsibly and 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:21.440 legally since twenty eighteen, but to threaten our livelihood by implementing. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:22.599 This order is just flat out wrong. 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.520 The legislators need to get working and passed the regulation 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.960 that doesn't lead to people losing their jobs. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.479 And that's what this says. This is a squeeze on 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:32.159 small business. 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:33.919 And I'll get into that a little bit more in 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.279 the show again in case you're just hearing this for 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:37.840 the first time. It's been a big news story for 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.600 the last twelve few hours and with the governor has 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.080 issued an edict ninety day ban on THCHU infused gummies, 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:47.440 beverages and products sold out of licensed marijuana dispensaries. And 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.080 of course you drive all over the place, you see 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.800 places like where you are, Jason, you own Ohio CBD 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.159 Guy with your two locations. But there's countless mom and 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.920 pop businesses like this and also many many more that 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:03.240 manufacturers supply not just this, but also THCCBD infused drinks 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.480 like beers and in particularly selters. My wife's a big 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.360 fan of the seltzer. She goes you know, it's pretty good, 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.840 just hits different. It's a different kind of feeling when 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.359 you drink a couple of these. We're talking about a 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.520 huge by the way, and this is not in your sector. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:17.919 I don't know if you sell them these products. But 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.799 fifty West, for example, they're a huge seller of THHD 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.040 infused drinks right here, and it's the Cincinnati company and 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.599 they saw a huge decline in the number. And maybe 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.839 we're past craft beer right now. I don't know, but 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.240 the beer sales are going down. Sales of this are 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.400 offsetting that. If this goes away in ninety days, that's 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.800 going to be catastrophic for a lot of these small breweries, 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:39.200 isn't it. 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.240 Well, you literally took the words out of the mouth. 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.200 I was just about to say that alcohol sales are 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.560 at their lowest point since nineteen thirty nine. People want 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.159 to go out, they want to get a buzz, they 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.040 don't want to feel like crap the next day. So 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.719 that's one of the reasons you're seeing these THHC seltzers growing. 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.479 We absolutely sell the sunflower product by fifty West in 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.040 our store, as well as the stock either another local 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:05.919 THC Seltzer. It's probably the fastest part of our business. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.640 And a question was asked during the press conference yesterday, 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.320 is that what about bottle shops, liquor stores, bars that 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.280 people can't go in unless they're twenty one? 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:15.600 Yep? 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.680 Legally do they have to stop selling these products too? 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.320 So again, there's a lot that needs to be cleared 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.040 up before this band takes effect on October fourteen. 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:25.960 Do you see like a lawsuit and an injunction coming 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:27.200 down to courts can hold us up? 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:28.400 Well? 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.560 Absolutely, I think there are questions as to the legality 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.320 of this emergency order, and I know of multiple efforts 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.800 potentially emerging to fight it in courts starting today. 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:42.000 Yeah, and maybe for those listening going listen, I don't 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.440 drink CBD TA, I don't know what that is. TA, 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.040 I don't know Delta eight and Delta ten and Delta nine, 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.360 I don't know what all that stuff means. And all 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.920 I know is it can kill children. Let's start with 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.280 that one, because it's about the children, right. The wine 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.640 set in toxicity happens dangerous and we need to do 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.920 better to protect our children. And there's no question that 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.080 children are getting a hold of the stuff largely because 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:03.960 an adult buys it and it's a bag of you know, 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.120 things that look like sour patch kids or nerds, and 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.680 they take one and now they're high. But we saw 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.400 increase eight hundred kids twelve and younger, according to the state, 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.760 were exposed to cannabi exposed to cannabis in twenty twenty four. 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:19.119 I'm not sure that was you know, poison Control Center's 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.280 always have fifty percent increase from the year prior. 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:22.840 But what does that mean? 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.640 How many kids have died, how many kids have been 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.840 damage beyond repair, become wards of the state. Whatever it 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:33.160 might be, taking too much THC or taking too much 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:38.600 CBD or cannabis or cannabinoid or adulta eight delta ten, 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:40.040 What does that do to one? 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:41.560 Do you die from that? 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.880 So it as far as THHC goes, there's a reason 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.280 why you have to be twenty one to take it 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.880 in a dispensary in my store. It's just not good 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.960 kids or their brains are still developing. It's not a 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.440 good thing for them. Can it cause depth? I think 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:03.600 you'll see varying studies out there that show mostly that 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.200 it's not harmful. Now, if you take too much a THC, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.679 whether you're an adult or a child, yes, you can 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:15.120 absolutely have adverse reactions triggered by the THC. But again, 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.040 this is why you need to be a responsible adult. 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.960 And as far as the kids getting their hands on it, look, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:25.200 I don't think there's outside of isolated incidents that a 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.400 gas a five year old or a ten year old 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.960 is going to walk into a gas station and someone's 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:33.400 going to sell them these products. I think what's happening is, unfortunately, 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.960 if irresponsible parents are letting their. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:37.400 Kids get a hold of these products. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:42.959 So again, why are responsible businesses like mine being penalized 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:47.720 for bad actors in gas stations, smoke shops, vape shops, 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.280 but irresponsible parents. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.040 Can you imagine the outrage the same group of people 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.959 were talking about if someone said, hey, you know, too 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.040 many kids are getting shot in Cincinnati. There are too 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.959 many accidental gun discharges. We have to have a trigger lock. 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.120 People aren't doing that. We've got guns and cars. Young 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:04.960 people are getting hold of the gun, shooting each other. 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.440 We have to ban weapons. Could you imagine the outrage 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.600 from the same conservatives. It's don't see the hypocrisy with 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:12.360 the same argument. 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:18.200 There is a way to achieve this responsibly, Scott, and 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.440 this is not the way to go about doing it. 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.000 And I'm hopeful that this there will be a resolution 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.319 before the fourteenth, and certainly before the ninety day ban 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:27.920 is over. 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.320 Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I don't know. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:32.839 Maybe this is a way for de Wind to scare 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.959 the legislature into getting something done, but I don't know. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:37.880 They've dragged their feet this long. And you know we've 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.080 seen this act before. Jason Friedman by the way, Ohio 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.200 CVD guy in the show with the Wines, ninety day 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.920 THHD and fused Gummy Beverage CBD, ban on all this stuff. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:48.800 And you know you can't get a celter anymore or 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.160 vape simply because well now we're going to ban it 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:52.480 because a kid make it a hold of it. 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:53.720 And I you know, I don't want to make light. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.040 Let me circle back and say, you know, I'm not 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.480 saying we shouldn't prevent kids from getting stuff because it's 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.679 not fatal. No one wants to see a kid, either 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.559 voluntarily or involuntary, in just something they think is candy 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:07.760 or vapor or drink or something. No, we don't do that, 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.680 but we do have dangerous stuff around. As my point, 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.960 we have I mentioned guns, but we also have alcohol 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.280 in a host of other things. Adults engage in that 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:18.240 kids aren't supposed to. We have reasonable regulations that prevent 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.760 that from happening. We just need that here, this seems 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.319 totally irrational. Is to ban it. We need to ban 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.280 it so we can regulate it. It doesn't make any sense. 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.040 It's like we need to pass the bills so we 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.680 can see what's in it. It's the same argument that 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.720 they made fun of and made a lot of political 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:33.200 hay out of. 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:34.439 They're now doing themselves. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.880 If that's the hypocrisy of politics in ninety days, what 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:38.640 do you see happening? 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.000 Well, again, I hope this is sorted out well before 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.840 the ninety days, But I, like you said, I do 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.199 believe that the governor is trying to push the legislators 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.960 to get something done. Really, I would point to what 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.440 happened in Texas recently if you've been following that at all. 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:00.400 In last month, the lieutenant governor there proposed legislation that 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:05.520 would ban all him. The governor vetoed to build multiple times, 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.080 and then Key implemented an emergency order to regulate him, 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.199 so did the exact opposite. You can use your power 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.280 in different ways. I just wish the governor would use 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:19.800 it to actually affect positive change as far as opposed 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:20.400 to damaging. 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.960 Yeah, and I mean, quite honestly, this is because of 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:27.160 the ineptitude of the legislature. We've seen this before with Marijuanas. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.200 They dragged their feet, dragged their feet, dragged their feet, 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.480 and finally the people had enough of it. It went 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.840 to the ballot in the uh you know, citizen initiative. 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.079 They screamed it was outside money. Trying to tell all 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.120 those you had a chance to do. You saw the 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.960 tea leage, You saw the the demand for recreational weed 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.400 MA and medical weed to begin with, and then recreational 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.200 you saw that and still chose to choose to do 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.360 nothing about it. And then when there's a grassroots effort 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.800 you try to stop it and subvert it. That I 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:57.040 think for those of us who enjoy THHC and CBD 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.360 products as I do, as you make a living off 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.080 of Jason f he'd been I found that egregious. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:03.440 Yeah. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.600 And I think the other thing to consider you mentioned 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.400 politically driven is that I think that there were certain 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.720 contingencies that were not happy that marijuana passed here in 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.760 Ohio and wanted to make some changes to those laws 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:20.360 and tried to use that to negotiate regarding the hemp. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.080 And they're so they're kind of lumped together as far 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.760 as the negotiations between the House and the Senate goes, 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.480 and they can't agree on it. And guess who's suffering? 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.120 We are, Yeah, the consumers, but especially small business people 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.719 like yourself. So after ninety days, lawmakers have to take 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.960 action to regulate the intoxicating hemp products. Most people agree 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.040 that if we have intoxicating products available to children, then 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.319 we should just simply step up and address that issue 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:49.040 without having to shut everything down. And he did this 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.400 back I think well over a year ago. Is he 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.520 wanted to close these loopholes, and they wouldn't listen to him. 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.240 And now he's going to simply take it away from everybody, 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.360 take the ball away because the kids can't get along 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.920 and now no one can play, which is, you know, 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.120 paternalism at best. And I you know part of this, 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.120 and I mentioned I said in asterisk in the air 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.720 quotes there I said, the governor has issued this ninety 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:13.679 day ban on THHD infused gummies and beverages that are 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.320 sold outside licensed to marijuana dispensaries. Is this just another 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.160 money grab by the legislature and that like whoa, wha, 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.120 wha wait a minute away. We look at the tax 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.280 that we pay on medical marijuana, the fact that people 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.440 are medical marijuana. The only ones that are getting the 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.680 medical card now are ones that have a stigma about 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.280 using it recreationally. We see the exorbitant prices we pay 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.040 in Ohio compared to surrounding states like Michigan, where it's 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:39.160 a fraction of what you'd pay for recreational products. And 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.160 now do they want to do the same thing with THHD. 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.360 It's simply they're not getting the if they can control it, 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.720 and you know, certainly regulations different than control if they 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:48.680 can control it, because you can still buy it, but 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.560 it's got to be a licensed to marijuana dispensary. That 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.720 means it's subject to that that that sweet tax that 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.880 they want. Is this all about them getting the getting 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.080 their hands to getting a bigger share of what it 0:14:59.160 --> 0:14:59.720 is you sell? 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.560 Well, I don't think it's any secret Scott that big 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:07.320 marijuana is out there. They are lobbying to destroy the 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:11.520 hemp industry period. They don't want us to be competition 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.560 for them, and so again I would point to Texas 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.200 and say, look, there's an opportunity for all of us 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.200 in this free market to be able to one give 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:25.880 an opportunity for these these consumers and sometimes patients that 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.000 need these products for their daily life. We will pay 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.480 a vendor fee, Scott, we will pay We will pay 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.040 additional taxes, even though I don't want that for my consumers. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.320 But if it means staying in business, there's plenty to 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.240 go around. So yeah, I do. I do believe that 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.960 it's part of it. Maybe it's part of the reason 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.120 why we haven't gotten the regulation we need yet. But 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.800 that's what I said. I'm cautiously optimistic that this will 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:56.560 at least trigger change. But what you know, unfortunately, the 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.720 people that need these products for their daily life, they're 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.640 the ones that are suffering, obviously in addition to the 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.920 small businesses, because now they're not going to be able 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.720 to get their products for ninety days. They're going to 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.880 be forced to go to a marijuana dispensary. Which marijuana 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.160 dispensaries are good things, but let's face it, it costs 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:17.240 a lot more. You're waiting in longer lines, the higher taxes, yep, 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.920 maybe less selection of products. You can't get the drinks. 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.560 So anyway, it's frustrating. 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.760 But hoping for change soon, right right, So again, if 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.800 you just tax the I don't know, the seltzer, the 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.880 THCHD lace tough selzer, CBD seltzer at the same right, 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.960 we're doing marijuana, then they're happy with it. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:36.720 It doesn't really how does that protect children? 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.120 That doesn't It doesn't. 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.880 But you know, it's something that everyone's going to listen 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.840 to because obviously we all want want what's best for 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:46.560 the children. But we also need to look at the 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:50.240 situation logically and realize that this is just a This 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.920 is some bad actors that are selling products they shouldn't 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:54.600 to people that they shouldn't. 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.360 But legislate there, go go after them, make examples of them, 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.680 shut them down, take away their liquor license, do all 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.880 that's our hurt them. But punishing the manufacturers, I mean, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:04.880 what does fifty West have to do with this? What 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.639 does Jason Friedman at Ohio CBD guy have to do? 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:07.920 Nothing? 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.480 You're caught up in a political power plays with this 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.600 and it's it's criminals. What it is, we'll follow, We'll 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.520 find out what happens. Jason Friedman, all the best, buddy, 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:16.640 thanks again for coming on the show. 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:18.159 Hey, thanks for having me on. 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:18.800 Scott, take care. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.200 We'll get a time out in. It's about the children. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.560 It's about there. We always laugh when Tracy Hunter said that, 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.119 you know, it's all the children. Oh my god, stop 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.720 with the historyonics and II the governor, it's about their children. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.600 Just wonder if people who I you know, it's a 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.879 dumb question, because if you are absolutely one hundred percent 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.240 conservative and no that it's the only way. There's only 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.159 one religion. This is that right, you don't see the 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.040 apocrisy and the problem with us. And this is why 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.800 you know we are we are right now as a country. 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.399 I voted conservative. My whole life are Republican anyway, unless 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.720 there's like a good libertarian out there. I just want 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.679 some sense of balance. I want government the hell out 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:57.760 of the way and let the rest of us make money. 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.520 We talked about with healthcare and college everything else that 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.120 similarly gets gets cocked up in this country right now, 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:05.480 we're doing it now in Ohio. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:06.080 Uh. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.040 And it's at the behest of the Republican legislature. And again, 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.840 because we tend to vote that way, we look at 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.400 it and go, ah, it's okay right now, It's not okay. 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.240 This is nothing but a cash grab, is what it is. Listen, 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.399 we don't like the fact that fifty West Roomever or 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.200 some sort of vape manufacture putting this product out there that, yes, 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.119 kids can get ahold of. But that's true with a 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.439 lot of things adults do, whether it's alcohol or content 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:29.480 whatever it might be porn. 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.000 Right, you can at roadblocks. 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:33.320 If you put things up to make sure the kids 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.480 don't have access to those things, you're not going to 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.160 get all of it, and you should punish the bad 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.840 actors out there that are allowing underage purses or consumption 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.679 or whatever. It might be one hundred percent. But the 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.720 idea that we're going to take it away because the 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.439 legislature can't figure out what to do is a flip 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.720 and joke. Sorry not sorry, slowly with your thoughts at 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.760 five point three seven four nine, seven thousand, quick time 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.280 out More to follow on seven hundred WWT. 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:00.200 Here we go, slowly said. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.320 Out of WW beautiful back Half of the week in 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.600 store Rain is ouch. Do you hear the old subcum 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.160 kick and you know it's real, right? And now that's 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.359 good little green grass for a while for the back 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.800 half of whatever season. This might be always mother Nature, 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.120 always messing with us. It's slowly back here on seven 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:21.520 hundred WLW and talking about yesterday's emergency order by the governor. 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.480 My god, we've got to do something about all of 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:27.359 these kids who are getting their hands on intoxicating hemp, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.760 which there's probably a few of them doing that. According 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.480 to the people who quep track of the stuff, namely 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:37.119 the Ohio Poison Center, there's a fifty two percent increase 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.439 year every year and the number of kids twelve and 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:43.600 younger exposed to cannabis. And we have cannabis recreationally medically, 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.840 and certainly you're gonna have kids getting their hands. Don't 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.880 encourage that, try to discourage that. But do you need 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:54.920 to simply take something away because a percentage of kids 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:56.679 are getting I don't know, because they don't break it 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.920 down out of the eight hundred kids eight hundred kids 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:05.240 and younger exposed last year, I you know, I guess 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.600 you can create an emergency and a crisis out of 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.760 any number. But inside that number of course as well, 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:12.480 how many of that exposure? 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:13.080 What does that mean? 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.200 I touched it and someone for parent freaked out, or 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:17.920 a grandparent freaked out because they don't know what cannabis 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:22.640 does or is, or they were exhibiting signs just being sleepy, 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:25.480 or you know, a twelve year old thought it was 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.200 a sour patch kid and popped a THG gummy and 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.639 now I'm flipping out because I don't know what's going 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:32.120 to happen. They're probably going to sleep for a while, 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.480 be a little silly and sleep it all. Or my 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:35.879 pet got it. I mean, you know, it could be 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.199 a host of things. Did they get it from a 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:42.240 medical supply because medical marijuana is legal recreationally. Don't know 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.080 how much of this is what we're talking about here, 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:47.919 but nonetheless, it is a an absolutely sweeping order from 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.600 the governor ordering this ninety day ban on THHG infused coummies. 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:53.400 You may go listen, Sloan. I don't care. I don't 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.480 use that stuff. I don't really know anybody that does. 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:58.439 You know, you made a big deal of the vaping. 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:00.920 I don't vape, but you know, we we all do 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:03.080 something that someone else does. I don't get it. I 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.879 don't know. It's not for me. But you know that's today. 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.360 Maybe tomorrow they come after something that's near and dear 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.760 to you. And the point of the matter is, as 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.400 we got in this, how we got to this point 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:20.000 where you have allegedly a conservative government in Ohio, conservative 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:25.879 run legislature doing things like banning a product that is 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:30.840 manufactured and created in Ohioans for Ohioans. And now you're 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:34.160 simply saying, because the legislature can't figure out a way 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.560 to regulate the product, we're going to simply take it away. 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.640 What about all these small businesses, What about the capital, 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.280 what about the investors? What about the people who probably 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:46.720 a lot of them voted and supported you, Mike de 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.720 Wine and state legislature that are now getting the rug 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:54.200 literally pulled out from under them. Because while you didn't 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.640 regulate this, that your opportunity to do that. You could 0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:00.200 still turn around and pass regulation right now and figure 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:02.280 out a way to make s to punish people who 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.840 are allowing this stuff getting the hands of kids. Why 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:08.800 don't you just do that? It's an easy fix. But 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:11.560 of course it's not about that, is it. Because when 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:16.920 the medical marijuana movement took root in Ohio, and it 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:20.560 was pretty clear to the legislation liketed officials that Ohion's wanted. 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.320 When we passed recreational weed. It passed like sixty percent 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.520 of the vote. That's incredible in this time and ages 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.879 where look how close presidential races are and council races. 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.200 It's little. It's it's by the skin of your teeth 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.080 you win an election. That was it was overwhelmingly passed 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.560 by OI. Clearly, clearly it was a mandate to get 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:39.520 out of the way and let us use weed because 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:43.120 we saw what happened in other states, and we went, yeah, 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:45.239 it's not as bad as Mike DeWine made it out 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:47.000 to me. I trade he traveled and memory traveled of 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.240 Colorado when he saw the devastation there. And meanwhile, Colorado 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:52.639 wins love the fact that they can get weed. It 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:57.600 doesn't mean there's no problems, but they enjoy the freedom 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:02.240 that they're allowed to do that as adults. Here, Well, 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:03.760 we passed it, and now we've got to go back 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:06.160 and the legislature had to go and screw things up. 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:10.879 And the fact of the matter is the confiscatory tax 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:15.000 that people pay on recreational marijuana drives people. If you're 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:17.080 a border state, I know people from here that and 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:18.600 I've gone when I've gone up that way, it's like, 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.200 ol stop. You go to Michigan. In hell, it's almost 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.040 like they're giving it away. Friends have come down from 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:25.480 Michigan'll bring some stuff in fifty bucks. You're set for 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:29.480 you know a year. That's not good for Ohio businesses. 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.399 You know what happened to small market? What happened to 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.320 the being a great competitor and getting government out of 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:39.120 the wall that falls away when we lose our mind 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.560 over saving the children. The minute any politicians screams out 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.639 saving the children, you know, it's not about that. You know, 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:49.360 it's about something else. And I'll point this out too. Okay, 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:51.240 how did we get to this point now where we're 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:55.320 you know, pulling seltzers and CBD and tintures and things 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:56.359 that people might enjoy. 0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:57.760 Is not Number one? 0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:01.280 Is the fact is we've so highly regulated and I 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:03.960 guess maybe not regulated as much as it is taxed 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:08.200 recreational weed that people are going to a cheap alternative 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:09.800 going well, you know you're naw me on a tax 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:11.280 I can only go to a certain place at a 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.080 certain time and talk to a certain guy. Get this, 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:15.280 I can go to any bar in the area and 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:20.400 get a THC infused seltzer. My wife really enjoys them. 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.600 She says, Yeah, I don't feel the next day as 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:24.320 bad as I do when I'm drinking alcohol. 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:25.520 Yeah. 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.119 And as beer sales decline and happened declining for a while, 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:30.560 we're seeing a lot of people be to lean into 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:34.280 THCH beverages. Well, guess what that'sply and demand. There's a 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:36.359 market for it. And now what you're saying is a 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:41.400 conservative market. Forces don't matter, the market doesn't dictate. That's 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:45.880 socialism then, right, because I thought you're against that state controlled, 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:48.840 state operated, state run Yeah, but this is different because 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:52.600 it's why, well, the children ain't about the children, it's 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:56.800 about the money. Now, they got to figure out a 0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:59.520 way to tax I don't know THC seltzer's at the 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:02.879 same right that they do recreational weed. And next thing 0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:04.679 you know, people won't be buying those because it's going 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:08.760 to cost you forty five dollars for a forty But again, 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:12.600 I thought that this was the party of being responsible 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:14.040 and getting the hell of the way. I guess not 0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:17.400 and you know, maybe I'm old school, maybe more libertarian 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.919 than anything else. I look at this whole thing, and 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:21.200 you know, I got a call it like I see it. 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:22.639 I'm sorry. You know, there's a lot of people are 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.600 conservative that hate me because how dare I turn the 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:27.679 mirror around on these people. Well, if you're professing to 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:31.880 be the party of common sense, the party of individual responsibility, 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:35.080 the party of our inalienable, God given rights is granted 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:38.000 in the Constitution. The birth of our nation is inspired 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:40.639 by the declaration that our individual god given to liberty 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:44.919 should be preserved against the government and government intrusion. I 0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.120 don't know how that stands up against what we're talking 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.520 about here, because it's the exact opposite. Can you pass 0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:54.560 legislation to protect bad actors? And that would be I know, 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:57.480 some convenience store owners, I guess gas station owners people 0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:00.800 like that from just randomly because they see profit over 0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:02.640 everything else. They simply don't care, kind of like someone 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:03.600 who's pushing drugs. 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:04.960 They don't see the. 0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.960 Effects of you know, they're narcotic sale, they're opiate sales. 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.760 There the sales of illicit street drugs that are killing 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:13.359 people and getting people jam. They don't care. They care 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:16.639 about the money. Those people need to be made examples 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:18.720 up and segregated from missus Hidi. Whether it's a street 0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:20.960 pusher or some guy to carry out at a corner 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:24.360 who's selling this stuff to twelve year olds, make a rule. 0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:26.399 Go after them, Go go after their liquor license, go 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:27.000 after their life. 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.560 Make an example of them to dissuade that kind of behavior, 0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:35.600 because that's what offset's greed. Regulation, but far beyond regulation, 0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:37.720 and I guess I should say rules more than regulation. 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:43.640 This is simply extermination. And the overwhelming majority of people 0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.200 who enjoy these products are adults. Kids are getting their 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:48.840 hands on it, but at a very very small number. 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:51.639 And when you say it's about protecting the children, then 0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:54.439 I'm sorry, Mike. That then means you have to go 0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:57.240 after guns. You have to go over alcohol, you have 0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:01.440 to go after cars, the things that kids can hurt 0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:03.800 and kill themselves with. We just had a shooting wear 0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.240 in Westchester of all Lakota for crying out loud, kids 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:09.000 getting shot. It's in downtown Cincinnati. This isn't like the 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:12.560 you know, this is an OTR. We're talking about the 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.960 white ass Westchester and kids getting shot out there. I 0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:17.359 don't know what the story is with the gun, but 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.280 you could make an example, I'd say, so, if it's 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.320 about the children, then we've got to do something about 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:26.040 the kids getting shot randomly and discriminately and innocently and 0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:28.679 ending their lives. We've got to do We can't do 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:30.720 anything about the guns. But why we can ban bullets? 0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:33.200 My god, you'd be run out of the You'd be 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:35.679 run out of Columbus on a rail if you propose that. 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:39.480 But how's this any different to me? 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:39.879 It's not. 0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:42.080 It's part and parcel at least. You know what, if 0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:44.360 you say I'm a conservative and it means something, what's 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:50.440 that mean? Individual freedom, limited government, rule of law, fiscal responsibility. 0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:54.040 Where in today's Republican party, whether it's the state or 0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:56.880 whether it's especially nationally, do we see that at all? 0:27:57.200 --> 0:28:03.800 Fiscal responsibility? How much is that big beautiful bill costing us? 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:06.840 How much is this government? Well the Democrats are responsible 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:09.159 with this, but a trillion and a half dollars to 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:11.600 keep the government open for seven weeks seems like a bargain. 0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:15.000 And we're thirty seven thirty eight trillion in death the 0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:17.600 rule of law? You kind of ended that play in 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:19.760 January sixth dn't you all the way up to today 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:23.840 in individual freedom and limited government? Yeah, cracking down on 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:28.400 books and gay marriage and drag shows. Seltzer, where's the liberty? 0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:28.640 Man? 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:30.919 It may not be for you, but it may be 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:35.720 for me. And find me the societal harm that's driving 0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:36.440 any of this stuff. 0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:36.960 And you won't. 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.240 No, no, no, no, you're wrong about that because kids are 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.440 getting these gummies and they're eating the gummies. 0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:42.360 Are they dying? 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:42.560 No? 0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:46.360 Are they getting sick? Yeah, that's scary, it's frightening, it's frightening. 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.360 But if that is a low standard for a ban, 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:51.959 then there's a lot of things in this country and 0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:54.080 in the state that are screaming for a ban. 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:56.120 You feel me? 0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:58.600 Five three, seven, four nine, seven, eight hundred the Big 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.720 one talk back radio out Let me get to Barry 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:02.960 in Miamisburg on seven hundred. 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.480 W over Hey, Barry Hey. 0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:10.800 It boils down to middle of the roads quote unquote 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:15.760 Republicans who would rather raise taxes than have big government 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:22.080 jobs paid for by more taxes, and more taxes than 0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:27.480 anything else. I mean, really, who cares about marijuana or 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:31.720 beer or any other other things they tax? It's not 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:35.840 out of it's all about money for Columbus. 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:37.440 Well, no question. 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.760 They look at the look at the tax that they 0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:42.880 look at the tax that they put on on recreacial marijuana, 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.040 and they're looking at going wow, people are going, hey, 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:46.560 you know what, I can still at my buzz on 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:50.200 by circumventing that and going after a you know, a 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:54.360 delta eight laced seltzer or something along those lines. They 0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:57.320 created this mess. And now it's like, well the tax 0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:59.680 is so enormous. People are looking for a black market essentially, 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:01.920 is what they're saying is you created the black market. 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:04.520 Look at how. 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.160 Hard they fought again letting people. 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:12.760 Grow their own Amen, because you can't patch something somebody 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.600 grows in their living room. 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:19.320 This is and you're absolutely right, thanks for the call. 0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:23.920 And that's the problem with politics, Like how many times 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:26.920 a day do I say that we have a part 0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:31.360 two party system. They're hollow, they're empty. It's a soulless 0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:34.480 fundraising shell on both sides. It's and it's supported by 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:38.800 a shrinking number of cultists. And we and and part 0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:41.800 of this driving this too is we are more individualistic 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:43.680 than ever before. I mean we you know, things like 0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:45.760 like a better good societal rules are kind of going 0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:52.360 away by this, and you know we we're not likely 0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:54.080 to We're not like to say, hey, we're going to 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.560 take a sacrifice and do something for the common good. 0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.280 We tend to look in that little individual sylum which 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:01.680 we're in, you know, a things like authorities, you know, 0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:04.760 the government, schools, medical establishments all go by the wayside 0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.040 because of that, because of what we're doing. But how 0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.320 are the two parties helping to fix it? 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:10.640 They're not. 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:12.840 It's more about how much money we can raise and 0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:16.760 how we can remain in power and leveraging all of 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:21.200 that against well, what the Constitution once stood for. And 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:23.680 it's a sad kind of decline. Does that mean America's over? 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:23.840 No? 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:25.880 But I think you know enough people get pissed off 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.120 when they start coming after things like this and go 0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.520 all right, enough of this nonsense. We need some common 0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:35.320 sense here. You know, you can't simply because I subscribe 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.960 to one political ally ideology the other simply turn a 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:41.840 blind eye towards what it is your I mean, what 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:43.880 do you stand for? If you if you if you 0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:45.760 don't stand for something, you stand for nothing. What are 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.160 the core beliefs? What are the core tenants? Of what 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.280 we're talking about here. You know, I rattled off the 0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:53.760 launderlist of what Republicans and Conservatives used to stand for 0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:56.120 at one time, and I considered myself more Republican than 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.280 a conservative because the social issues. To me, I don't 0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:00.320 care what you do in the privacy of your own home. 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.840 If you're a consenting adult and there's no grave harm 0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:09.640 to society, then knock yourself out. And and I'm an 0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.720 about libertarian in that sense. But all of these things 0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.080 where we got to save the children from an imaginary 0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:18.160 boogeyman at the expense of hard working men and women 0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:21.960 Ohioans who invested life savings into trying to buy up 0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.320 into the American dream and create a product that's taxed 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:28.400 but not outrageously taxed and sell it to an open market. 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:31.840 Seems to be something conservatives once not long ago stood for, 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:37.520 and now they're against it. Over to al and Montgomery 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:39.479 on seven hundred w Al thebody Scott's loan show, OWT, 0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:40.160 what do you got. 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:42.160 Good? 0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:44.240 I'm good, right good. 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:48.320 Now you reminded me of of old Bill Clinton. 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.680 Where you fight the children. 0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:51.640 It's for the children. 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:53.880 Yeah, Whenever he wanted. 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.840 To do any but anyway, I first to say, I 0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:00.920 don't you know marking anything that up. But I thought, 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.600 and I might be wrong, that this legislation was only 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:10.960 for a synthetic uh EHC products probably a little. 0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:12.600 Bit more first than I am in that. 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:14.800 Yeah, and I think that's a good thing. I didn't 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:16.240 get it, and your your phone's kind of breaking up. 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.440 I'll let you go, man, I appreciate you checking in. No, 0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:21.880 that is that's a solid point in thh fused infused 0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:23.440 gummies and the like, and it's got to have a 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.360 percentage of TFC. And I again, I know enough about 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:28.560 it to be dangerous, but I'm certainly no chemist here. 0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:30.960 You know, I'm not Walter White or anything like that. 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.880 But they back in the day that with the core 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.640 of this whole thing was separating hemp from intoxica. So 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:39.120 hemps a plant and hep you can make. You know, 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:43.040 there's fabric. Think about I don't know, you know, you're 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:46.000 you're petullia oil smelling hippie. Think of like Woody Harrelson 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:50.320 wearing I don't know it's wearing some sort of hemp 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:51.840 hem shirt or something like that. 0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:52.760 You're not gonna get high. 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:54.680 You can eat that hemp and smoke it, and there's 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.440 the intoxicating portion of that. So there's a non intoxic 0:33:57.480 --> 0:33:59.880 any plant that was legalized by the General Assembly if 0:33:59.880 --> 0:34:02.880 you years ago. And the problem was when they created this, 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:04.800 they didn't differentiate and so people are like, well, it's 0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:08.400 a hemp products, a hemp derivative, and there's hemp derivative 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:13.799 derived can cannabinoids that produce the psycho psychoactive effects would 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.920 be similar to THHC, like Delta eight, Delta nine is 0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:20.719 actually weed. Delta eight is one component off. Delta ten 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:22.840 has I don't know, maybe one more component of it, 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:26.279 but essentially has the same effect. Delta HTC is a 0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.759 psychoactive compound that comes from a hemp product and the 0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:32.720 highest similar to traditional delta nine THHDA. It's chemically similar 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:34.719 and you can synthesize that and extract it from the 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.640 hemp plants still a plant. Okay, so you're right, You're 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.000 right and wrong at the same time. And so they said, well, 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.400 if we take this now and it has the same effect, 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:44.080 I can put it in a WEP form. I could 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.600 also put it in a seltzer. I could put it 0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:48.680 in tinture, which is like a little eyedropper thing you 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.239 put on your tongue or whatever. The delivery or a 0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:53.799 gummy or whatever, the delivery system is Okay, So that's 0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:54.640 the legal loophole. 0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:55.080 That was good. 0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:56.799 Why not just go back and change a loophole then 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.560 and say, if it's intoxicating, okay, here's some regulation with it. 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.400 Doing that, we're shutting the whole thing down, which is 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:04.719 a disturbing part. But let's go back and look at well, 0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:06.919 why would they come up with something, Why wouldn't you 0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.480 Why would you come up with delta eight? And why 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.080 would you take camp in delta ten and have these 0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:16.560 you know, chemically different, mollectually slightly different if it has 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.080 the same effect as marijuana. Well, to answer your question, 0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:21.839 I'll come back full circle back to the wine, back 0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:27.600 to the legislature. That is, the markets are always going 0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:29.160 to find a way to sell stuff to people that 0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:31.960 they want. There's a huge demand for getting high, right, 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.080 or for alleviating pain in the case maybe with me 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.400 and I like to get high, but also with austin, 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:40.160 you know, right, and ligaments that are torn and stuff 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.080 like that. You know, I prefer that of roqui. It's honestly, 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:44.840 I do, because you get a good night sleep. A 0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.839 lot of people do, and so people learned that and went, yeah, okay, 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.600 there's something to this. It's you know, maybe there's a long, 0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:52.680 long term health effect, but right now I can't sleep 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:56.320 because you know, I don't I don't have any if 0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.319 I have bone on bone in my shoulder, my knee 0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.719 or my back or whatever it might be. Or maybe 0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:02.680 I just like the buzz better than alcohol. What's wrong 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:03.000 with that? 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:03.840 Nothing? 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:08.279 Nothing, but the whole reason why these synthetics in these 0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:11.759 derivatives were made. Why was because of the ban on 0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:15.920 marijuana in the first place. It was the prohibition. So 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:19.919 Mike DeWine, who's been anti marijuana's whole life, helped create 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:23.120 this problem that he's now trying to solve, and that 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.040 if you tell people you can't have it because I 0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.000 don't like it, because I think it's bad for you 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.600 and I know better and it's a nanty state, then 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:31.480 the markets will find try and find a way around that. 0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:33.399 It's like, well, okay, I can't sell you a weed, 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:36.160 but you know we're pretty smart in the creative in 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:38.719 business class, and that we'll find a way. We'll come 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:42.200 up with something to satisfy avoid in the market and 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:44.440 eaed in the market. It's always worked that way in capitalism, 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:46.640 and in this case it was marijuana. Like, okay, well 0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:49.320 we've got delta eight, which is not really marijuana. It's close. 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:53.000 Give you the same buzz. Well that's a loophole, Yeah, 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:56.320 it's a Look, the reason why is because you banned 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.440 marijuana and now someone found a way around that. To 0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:06.439 statis why the capitalistic need the consumer economy. And that's 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:12.120 all this is, either we are a consumer capitalist economy 0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:16.200 or not. In the legislature, these politicians spend you spend 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:17.400 a lot of time telling you they're. 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.600 Not socialists or whatever is it might be, but they 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:20.240 sure as hell. 0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:22.560 Act like it, don't they The home of the best 0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:24.720 Bengals coverage seven hundred WW Cincinnati. 0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:25.640 Do you want to be a. 0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:29.839 Flowing back on seven hundred WLW? 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:34.120 Are we on the Fourth Industrial Revolution? What? What fourth 0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:37.520 industrial legs? The first one was a coal in steam power, 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:42.440 second revolution was gas, third was the digital revolution beginning 0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:45.160 in the late nineteen sixties, and the fourth one is 0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:50.680 a I artificial intelligence. Recently, Elon Musk said there's a 0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:55.880 twenty percent chance that AI will take over humanity essentially 0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:59.960 on humans won't be in existence any longer than can 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.920 copewters will take over literally the stuff of science fiction. 0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:06.279 Frightening, isn't it? And uh, I did twenty percent. 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:08.560 There's other things that's probably a ten percent chance, But 0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:11.799 that's today. What happens tomorrow? And as I mentioned this, 0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.320 there's a new AI bought out there that with a 0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:17.280 couple of keystrokes, just words, you can create literally visual 0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:21.680 content that is about as realistic as what you see 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:25.160 with the naked eye. Frightening. What that means for well, entertainment, 0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:29.799 news and everything else. Chris McKenzie's here. He's a nonprofit 0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:33.440 called Americans for Responsible Innovation. They cover AI policy and 0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.680 the public interest. Chris, welcome, Hi, shot, I'm going to 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:39.960 be on with you. We've always had fear of the unknown. 0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:42.080 We have fomo now, but we also had fear of 0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:45.319 the unknown. Those two factors go together, like peanut, butter 0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:47.440 and jelly, go back to the days of the cave man. 0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:50.040 Right, here's four cave men and there what do they 0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:50.800 carry off? Pelts? 0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:53.640 They've got their pelts, different pelts of things and pelts, 0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:55.719 and we're bringing pelts here and we need pelts for 0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:58.480 the winner pelts, pelts, pelts, and some guy goes, hey, 0:38:58.480 --> 0:38:59.759 what if we took this thing, we'll call it a 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:02.440 week and now now we just need one guy. 0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:03.520 We don't need for it. Why are you going to 0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:06.080 put me out of a job? This is anything different. 0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:09.600 That's a good point, you know. Resistance to automation, I 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:13.239 like to say, is a story as old as jobs themselves. 0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:17.360 Right whether you're talking about lamp lighters protesting the advent 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:20.840 of the street lamp, or textile workers strikes that shook 0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:24.400 England during the Industrial Revolution, this story has been playing 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:27.040 out for a long time. And as you noted earlier, 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:31.040 we're in a moment of rapid technological change with AI 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:35.160 right now that is similar to the Industrial Revolution in 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:39.560 a lot of ways. It's likely to increase productivity, it will. 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:41.160 Probably benefit consumers in. 0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:43.839 Many ways over the long run, but in the short run, 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:47.880 it's likely to place millions upon millions of workers. And 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:51.120 the key difference here, something to keep in mind, is 0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:55.120 in its pace. The Industrial Revolution took place over many, 0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:55.920 many decades. 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:56.400 You know. 0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:59.959 The first commercial steam engine was designed in seventeen twelve. 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.080 Then it took seventy years after that before we put 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.640 the steam engine into a train, and then forty years 0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:09.480 before that locomotive train was common. Compare that to AI. 0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:13.320 CHANGGBT was released a couple of years ago, and companies 0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:16.279 across the economy are already trying to figure out how 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:19.600 does this fit into their business and what pieces of 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.759 their business can be automated. 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:24.839 Which has all of us in the work sector looking 0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:28.480 over our shoulders. And it's not just manufacturing and imports 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:36.160 and shipping and car manufacturing. Accountants, lawyers, software engineers, graphic designers, drivers, 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:38.799 you know. With AI and autonomous vehicles, all that and 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.120 many many more fields are now in jeopardy. When they 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.000 once were. You thought, Hey, I'm an account I'm a lawyer, 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.279 I'm an engineer, I'm set for life. No, that's not 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:45.920 true anymore. 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:51.439 That's absolutely true. Depending on your field, the AI will 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:54.959 impact employment in different ways and at a different pace. 0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.840 What's expected to happen is that AI will probably impact 0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:05.839 the INDUS treat retail moving and shipping first, and it could, 0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:08.640 but in the long run, again, as you noted, it'll 0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:13.360 impact a really broad range of sectors, including sectors that 0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:15.480 we previously thought were safe for automation. 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:16.760 I'm in the radio industry. 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:18.840 As we sit here and have this conversation on the radio, 0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:21.880 I saw not long ago that there was a djab 0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:24.040 at music station. I believe this is an Australia, I 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:25.480 want to say. And they couldn't figure out who this 0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:29.080 new voice was whatever. About six months into it, the 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:32.440 company divulges it's AI. It's not a real person. And 0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:34.520 everyone thought it was a real person because they're sharing 0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:38.000 intimate personal stories and everything else. And you know, it's 0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.080 that always case where it's like, well, you know it's 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:41.920 not going to impact my job, Well, it's impacting our 0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:44.440 jobs right and tomorrow It may not be years today, 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:46.120 but tomorrow it is going to be years. I think 0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:48.640 a great example of that of the porch. It wasn't 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:52.520 long ago we had the port strikes in America. We're 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:54.480 woefully behind the rest of the world would come to this. 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:57.000 But now they're fighting for their market share and jobs, 0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.160 which I get. But the reality is the rest of 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:01.480 the world's already moved, Don and a lot of this 0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:05.960 stuff is done with artificial intelligence and AI that controls robots. 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:07.759 I think you're right. 0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:12.520 What we know is that there is a large displacement 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:18.680 of US workers coming because of the AI Revolution. Now, policymakers, unions, 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:23.640 employers have some successful examples from history to draw on 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:27.280 for how we can help workers transition into the future workforce. 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:32.600 During the Industrial Revolution, we created the public education system 0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:36.520 and we implemented worker protections over a number of years. 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:40.319 That helps to create the factory jobs that we now 0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:42.879 look back on and say, well, that was a good job, 0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:45.000 that was a good paying job, and we miss that right. 0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:48.960 The GI Bill is another example that helps eight million 0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:51.880 World War two veterans find work back in the US 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.960 after the end of the war. Of course, we're facing 0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:58.640 a displacement of workers much larger than eight million workers. 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:01.320 By some estimate, that's going to be forty seven percent 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.880 of the US workforce that's impacted by the implementation of AI. 0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:07.960 WOW, and that brings up a whole host of other questions. Is, 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:09.799 all right, we've got a lot of people and there's 0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:12.439 not enough jobs for everybody. How do we survive? Things 0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:15.239 like universal basic income have come into play. I've also 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:17.799 heard people like I don't know, Bill Gay someone like that. 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:19.839 It's an idea that's been around for a while, which 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:23.399 involves actually taxing the AI and taxing the robots as 0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:24.520 if they were a real. 0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.840 Worker as possible. 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.240 I think what we need right now are big ideas 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:34.200 both in education and in worker protection, specifically over the 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.440 immediate term. One of the things that Congress can do 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.160 is implement protections to make sure that AI is not 0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:44.040 used in an invasive, privacy intruding way on workers to 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:48.200 overly monitor their productivity in a way that's dehumanizing. 0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:50.640 AI most certainly is going to take a lot of 0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:53.360 jobs away, and there's going to be huge worker displacement 0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:53.759 right there. 0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:54.680 How do we navigate that? 0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:59.759 You're correct, there are jobs that will you know, that 0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:02.000 will have in the future that we can't imagine right 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.880 now because they are before the advent of computers, A 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:08.239 lot of the jobs that we're doing today we could 0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:11.239 not have imagined. It did destroy jobs. There was the 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:14.880 process of creative destruction where many workers were displaced, but 0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:17.520 it also created jobs. Even if you look at ports, 0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:22.680 there are jobs operating automatic you know, cranes and highly 0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:26.919 autonomous vehicles that we could not have imagined forty years ago. 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:30.680 The number of people those ports employee is different, but 0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:33.880 there are new jobs that are on their way because 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:35.640 of this technological change as well. 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:40.399 It makes a sense, Chris, then to fight, if you're 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:42.719 a worker or existing worker, whether it's unions or not, 0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:47.920 to protect workers from market forces instead of unsafe working conditions. 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:50.040 You know, there's still plenty of jobs out there that 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:52.240 are a little bit more dangerous than others. But clearly 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.160 in the last one hundred years in the industrial level revolution, 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:57.360 we're a lot safer than we have ever been in 0:44:57.360 --> 0:44:59.279 the workplace because of the union, because of the rules 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:03.560 and regulations, and so as a result of this thing, 0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:06.320 now maybe more of the focuses on the market forces, 0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:10.040 which here would be AI. Is how they is that, 0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:11.680 I guess in the union sense, is that how they 0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:15.799 continue to stay relevant because worker safety seems pretty good. 0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:18.840 I think you're actually going to see two types of 0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:23.719 resistance to automation and the implementation of AI from workers 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:28.080 and unions. One is the replacement of jobs, which workers 0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:30.040 are going to protest because they don't want to see 0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:31.080 their jobs evaporate. 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.879 And the second is the unfair. 0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:40.279 Implementation of AI that negatively impacts workers on the job. 0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:42.960 Right and again, I turned to Privy as an example 0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:46.920 where we see some companies have implemented AI in a 0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:51.160 way that monitors employees every move in a very intrusive way. 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.640 It monitors their click movements maybe if you're on a computer, 0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:57.840 and we're probably going to see some resistance to that 0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:00.000 as well. So I would describe those as kind of 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:03.239 the two paths of resistance that will likely encounter a 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:04.920 day I is implemented. 0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:08.160 It's pretty scary though, that half the jobs in America 0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:11.000 are under threat from AI right now, which would totally 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:12.920 upend the Apple gart But as you said, and I 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:15.120 think of this often as that kids today, if you're 0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:17.560 in school, you're training for a job that does not 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:20.560 yet exist. We'll just find a way to For example, 0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:22.359 the computer, we're supposed to make our lives easier. Oh 0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:24.120 my gosh, we'll have all this free time, and it's 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.240 made it harder. Isn't that going to happen with AI? 0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:30.880 It'll make some things easier, it'll make some things harder. 0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:34.640 You know, we have the computer now, it's made shopping easier. 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.080 For example, I have access to a whole world of 0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:40.000 products that I did not USETAB. I do think computers 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.399 are really informive example, because in many ways it's made 0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:48.200 the lives of consumers easier. It's given consumers access to 0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:50.600 many products and things that they did not use to 0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:54.480 have access to. But it's created two types of work, 0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:57.280 and in some cases it feels like it's made life 0:46:57.320 --> 0:47:00.000 harder for everyday workers in our economy. 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:01.960 Yeah, it feels that way's supposed to be. 0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:04.240 Oh God, and we we'll spend all day going shopping 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:05.799 with our you know, going out with our family and 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.000 hanging out. No, we just spend all our days in 0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:10.560 front of a screen. Now granted it's TikTok, it's Facebook, 0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:13.359 it's other things. But you know, I think the nature 0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:15.799 we work more as more hours than we used to. 0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:18.080 In some cases, we've seen those studies come out go 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:20.560 and are actually spending more time working away from work 0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:22.320 than it used to be. 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:22.919 In the old days. 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:25.080 You know, we'd punched the clock in eight hour shift, 0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:27.239 ten hours whatever, we'd go home, we'd have the rest 0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:29.000 of our lives. And now it just follows us home. 0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:29.960 That's that's the point. 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:34.000 Yeah, and you noted you know, computers, It depends on 0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.480 how you frame it, right. Some people look at computers 0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:38.960 and they say, well, they've made us much more productive, 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:41.480 But at the same time, what is that how does 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:46.040 that productivity manifest for workers themselves. Sometimes that's people checking 0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:48.920 their phones after five pm. The thing can be said 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:51.480 a AI, it'll make workers more productive, but how does 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:56.080 that productivity manifest? Is that in you know, monitoring workers 0:47:56.120 --> 0:47:59.880 every move, every click, and we need to make sure 0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:03.000 protections are in place so that it's not implemented and 0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:04.680 dehumanizing our unfair way. 0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:08.000 Yeah, exactly how quickly is this happening? We know AI 0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:10.880 is moving exceptionally fast. I mentioned the four industry revolutions 0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:13.640 with coal and gas and the digital revolution of the sixties, 0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:16.839 but this one is moving fast in all three of those. 0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:19.280 That's a really good question. 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:24.560 What we've seen with past eras of technological transformation is 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:26.800 that it comes in kind of a jay curve. 0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:27.399 Right. 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:31.560 You see the implementation of technology, you see companies trying 0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:34.160 to figure it out, and there's a moment of actually 0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:39.359 not increasing productivity, but almost decreasing productivity. Is companies are 0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:43.040 still trying to flop this technology into their business model 0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:45.000 and figure out a way to make them more productive. 0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:48.640 And then there's a period of rapid transformation of rapidly 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:49.919 increasing productivity. 0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:51.640 And we haven't hit that yet. 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:54.719 We're still in the phase where companies are looking at 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:57.560 this tech and trying to figure out how to implement it. 0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:00.600 But we will soon. We will soon see that era 0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:02.040 of rapid transformation. 0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:04.200 And I would suggest too that we're going to see 0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:06.480 a host of other careers developed as a result of 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:08.799 AI that we don't know, as we've mentioned before, and 0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:11.360 so ultimately scares the hell out of us, because right 0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:13.120 now are going a Wow, my job may be eliminated. 0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:15.239 It's probably not going to be tomorrow. But you and 0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:16.800 I you ought to be looking over your shoulder. 0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:21.560 That's true. Your job won't be eliminated tomorrow. And I 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:25.200 think what's important to think about is how can bringing 0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:29.239 AI into your work also help make you more productive 0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:33.839 as someone who's who's an employee right because it can 0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:36.920 help make employees more and more competitive piece of the 0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:40.000 workforce if they are able to find ways to implement 0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:41.000 AI in their own work. 0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:45.160 He's Chris McKenzie with the nonprofit Americans for Responsible Innovation. 0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:48.640 They handle AI policy and the public interests, not necessarily 0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:51.359 pro AI, but figuring out how it all works. And 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:55.200 now maybe you got some questions answered, Brother's probably you 0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:58.439 probably have more questions than than answers at this point, 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:01.120 which I get but it's so rapidly changing. If you're older, 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:04.240 it'll affect you a little less, and retirement it'll affect 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:06.759 you because AI will be doing more for you. But 0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:09.960 if you're in the workforce into your relatively younger middle age, uh, 0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:11.759 this is the future you're facing. As we all have. 0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:15.000 It's technological challenge. America is about innovation. We always lean 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:16.960 into that. We don't shy away from it, or we 0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:18.760 shouldn't anyway. Chris, all the best, thanks. 0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:20.920 Again, Thank you, Scott, have a good one. 0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:23.319 Yeah, too long, didn't read. We will figure it out. 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:24.000 We always do. 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:26.400 Now there's going to be a huge up people in jobs, 0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:28.439 and again there's going to be jobs created. We don't 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:31.160 know that they don't exist right now, that it exists tomorrow. 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:33.960 There's That's always been the case, and probably more so 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:37.120 today than ever. New AI bot comes out says yeah, 0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:40.000 I put a couple keywords in and it will generate 0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:45.000 a fake video for you. And the video is unbelievably compelling. 0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:46.520 So what does that mean when you could with a 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:51.000 few keystrokes create a I don't know, a program, a 0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:55.239 TV show, fake news, dialogue between two people. I mean 0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:58.520 the content that we watch on our screens, whether it's 0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:01.680 the one in your hand or the one on your wall. 0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:03.359 What is that going to look like in the next 0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:05.520 few years, over the next five, ten years, or simply like, 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:08.000 you know, does Hollywood go away because it's all AI? Now, 0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:10.200 that's a really really good question. Now I've see that's 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:12.520 kind of hitting home for us here in the creative sector. 0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:15.919 Will the voice that you hear on the station or 0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:17.759 through your phone? I guess I won't even station will 0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:19.879 be an app in the future, just simply be something 0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:22.279 that's AI generated. I mean, we watch a lot of 0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:23.880 fake videos now and go, yeah, I think it's kind 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:25.759 of fake, but it's funny dog driving a car. 0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:26.200 Look at that. 0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:29.600 That's pretty good and you watch it. Okay, So already 0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:31.239 consuming that count that we know is fake. In the 0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:33.440 future it won't. And what does that mean for news? 0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:35.480 What does that mean for information? Do we get more 0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:38.359 even more divided? That's even possible. When it comes to 0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:41.400 our worldview, We'll find such a niche of our that 0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:46.280 reflects our own narrow world views that collectivism and society 0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:49.200 for that matter, now becomes an out layer. We're moving 0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:52.560 more towards the individual and more away from society. A 0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:55.400 lot of people say that'll end America, this great experiment 0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:57.440 as we know it, will it or will just look different? 0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:00.000 Great questions and AA is going to drive this whole 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.360 thing for sure. Anyway, let me get a news update 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:05.880 in and that's real news with a live, breathing human being. 0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:11.040 Well it's Uchino, so I think it's I don't know. 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:13.280 If he's breathing or he may be a bot himself, 0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:15.839 kind of looks like a bo Anyway, whoever has the news, 0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:17.840 we have it for you live and then we return afterwards. 0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:23.920 Scott's loan on seven hundred wlw's Sloaney rolling on with 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:27.719 you here, seven hundred w LW. When politicians say it's 0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:28.160 about the. 0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:31.080 Children, it's about our children. They gotta save our. 0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:35.520 Children, and a never about saving no children, It's about 0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:39.160 something else. So yesterday Governor Mike DeWine issued a ninety 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.759 day ban on THHC and fused gummies and beverages and 0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:45.439 outside outside licensed marijuana dispensary. So you got a license 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:47.040 from the state and the tax goes along with that, 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:49.600 and if you're not paying that veig then guess what 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.439 We're gonna shut you down. That's a message I got 0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:53.799 into this. How about you? So bottom line is this, 0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:57.640 if you enjoy a I know THCHD infused gummy or 0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:01.360 a vape or a product. For example, a lot of 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:06.200 brewers have added something new to their seltzer lineup, and 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:09.840 that would be THC infused beverages for adults, sold at bars, 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:13.440 sold at restaurants. People enjoy it, my wife loves them. 0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:16.680 According to the Governor's Band here they have to remove 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:21.160 displays and sales by October fourteenth midnight October fourteenth. So 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:23.080 what does this mean for I don't know, small businesses 0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:27.440 in Ohio and for those people who enjoy seltzers, particularly 0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:28.280 CDB seltzers. 0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:30.600 What does that? What does that even look like? 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:32.839 I had Jason Freeman on the OICBD Guy first out 0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:35.880 of the show, and now it's Bobby Slattery. Bobby's the 0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.080 founder of fifty West and joins the show. Now, Bobby, 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:38.480 how are you. 0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:41.640 I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on the show. 0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:44.600 Appreciate you calling and checking in with us. I got 0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:46.279 to say, I mean, you guys are it seems like 0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:49.920 you're growing leaps and bounds with the retail establishments that 0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:54.120 you have, and it I mean it's really something. It's 0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:56.840 cool to see someone local do so well. But you know, 0:53:56.880 --> 0:53:59.600 here's the problem with this thing is you guys saw 0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:03.480 I mark good opportunity here. You invested sizable capital in 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:07.160 CBD enhanced beverages, and now I'm sure you woke up 0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:09.080 this morning and went, what the hell just happened? 0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:11.360 Yeah, I mean it's funny. 0:54:11.400 --> 0:54:13.600 First off, I was driving in for a meeting this 0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:17.360 morning down at the County Commissioner's office that's something unrelated, 0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:18.680 and I was listening to your show and you kept 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:22.040 saying our name, and I'm going, oh god, talking about us. 0:54:22.280 --> 0:54:24.680 I'm happy to talk. So I really appreciate you. 0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:26.680 You get me on the show and getting my perspective. 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:30.080 So basically everything I said so far, did I miss anything. 0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:31.080 I'm not going to slant. 0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:31.759 You know. 0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:33.960 I look at your success story and go, okay, you 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:36.560 guys jump in the craft beer movement. You keep putting 0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:39.920 in new ventures. You've got new restaurants, and the Mason 0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:43.480 ones absolutely amazing. You got outdoor volleyball and his kid 0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:45.840 and dog friendly, and you're drinking beer and my wife 0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:48.360 likes the Seltzers that did the CBD infused ones, and 0:54:48.400 --> 0:54:50.680 you're like, there's a market opportunity here, and now you 0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:53.960 come along and the governor, in one swift move in 0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:55.400 three months is going to make this illegal. 0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:56.040 What's your reaction. 0:54:57.280 --> 0:55:00.439 Yeah, I mean I think, first off, I'm I'm gonna 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:01.520 I'm gonna eternal opit. 0:55:01.760 --> 0:55:03.360 So I'm trying to find the positives in this. 0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:08.480 The first about a flower product. We launched that about 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:11.920 about a year ago. And when we launched it, we 0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.120 we saw this new space. We thought there might be 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:16.880 a customer base there. We weren't really sure who it was. 0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:20.279 And what was amazing was the amount of customers that 0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:23.120 are that are moving away from alcohol, especially in the 0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:25.920 gen Z phase, but also as adults. Your wife might 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:27.799 be one of these, but there's people that are just 0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:32.480 they don't want alcohol anymore. They beverage is a social occasion, right, 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.839 the act of drinking that's always going to be something 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:37.239 that we do, not necessarily drinking alcohol, but the active 0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:39.560 act of drinking a beverage. And so a lot of 0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:42.359 customers started to find this space where, you know, they 0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:43.960 wanted to be social, but they didn't want it to 0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:46.760 mess with their sleep patterns. And so our sunflower product, 0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:50.880 it was low milligram five milligram dosage, and so it 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:54.520 became extremely popular, so much so that in our world, 0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:57.080 you know, craft beer is down tremendously across across the 0:55:57.080 --> 0:56:00.960 board nationwide, and beers down tremendously across the board. And 0:56:01.280 --> 0:56:04.520 so this year we've seen the largest decline ever in 0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:07.400 sales and craft beer in the history of fifty West. 0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:10.839 We are going to make more total barralage this year 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:12.399 than we've ever made before. 0:56:12.160 --> 0:56:14.560 And that's coming from these. 0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:20.120 Five milligram THHC beverages that we call Sunflower, and so 0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:22.840 I think and most of those people that are drinking 0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:26.480 those this is not that the customer is not it's 0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:28.840 not who the Governor's kind of discussing here. Most of 0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:32.080 these people are choosing it as a it's health conscious reasons. 0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:34.560 It's because it's lower talarie, it's because it doesn't make 0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:37.879 you feel hungover, because you can function the next day. 0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:41.120 And so, you know, it's a little you know, it's frustrating. 0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:45.720 We obviously created a lot of jobs for us and opportunities, 0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:49.000 and so I think what we're looking towards is my 0:56:49.120 --> 0:56:51.000 hope is that the governor did this in an effort 0:56:51.040 --> 0:56:53.800 to kind of get the kind of get the attention 0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:56.320 of the legislature to try to pass some laws that 0:56:56.360 --> 0:56:59.160 would would help help put more structure to this. And so, 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:00.919 you know, I think that it's our mission right now 0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:03.799 is you know, I'm going around every LEGI everyone I 0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:06.440 can to say, hey, you know, we do believe that 0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:08.160 there should be laws in place here. I think that 0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:11.279 you know, it just twenty one and up, like we 0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:13.240 write it on our cans. I think that's a pretty 0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:15.799 pretty understandable thing. The other thing I think you can 0:57:15.840 --> 0:57:18.040 look at is we can turn to alcohol and say 0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:20.080 there's a lot of good guidelines we can just follow 0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:22.680 as far as alcohol is concerned, as it relates to taxation, 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:26.520 as it relates to how it's regulated. And so you know, 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:28.880 our hope is that that we can quickly redolve this. 0:57:29.800 --> 0:57:34.720 We can work with the local legislation to get something agreeable. So, uh, 0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:37.200 you know, we're we're looking at the future. There's a 0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:41.200 real this is a real, real growth opportunity for people 0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:45.200 out there that haven't had these beverages. It's happening, it's 0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:48.000 happening fast, and it's a major marketplace that's going to 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:50.080 create a lot of jobs and a lot of opportunities, 0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:51.000 especially here in Ohio. 0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:53.680 You Bobby Slider, you you're an eternal optimist, you said, 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:55.160 I'm a little bit more pragmatic. 0:57:55.200 --> 0:57:56.960 I tend to I like to look at the at. 0:57:56.800 --> 0:57:59.080 The beer glass, the fifty West glass, to being half 0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:01.720 full as opposed to half empty. I lets go, Okay, 0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:03.760 is this just a wake up call, a way to 0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:05.840 scare the legislature and a compliance here. 0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:07.240 I'm hoping that is the case. 0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:10.200 But as the weeks turned into months, and is that 0:58:10.280 --> 0:58:13.600 ninety day deadline rapidly approaches and in business ninety days 0:58:13.680 --> 0:58:15.120 is you know, maybe for you, it feels like a 0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:17.120 long time. When you've got a brick and mortar location, 0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:19.680 you're you know, you're looking at your your daily sales 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:22.280 of your barrel sales of whatever you're moving out the door. 0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:25.320 And whether it's CBD, THC or good old fashioned beer, 0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:27.440 it could be water. If you're selling, you're going to 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:29.240 make more of it. I get that it's good for jobs, 0:58:29.240 --> 0:58:31.960 good for the economy, and you made a sizeable personal 0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:35.560 investment in this whole thing not that long ago, during 0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:38.120 the peak, you know, during craft beer and the big boom, 0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:39.800 which you say is kind of on decline right now. 0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:41.480 Maybe it's a one year off. I don't know if 0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:44.320 it's a trend or whatever. But bottom line is, you 0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:45.840 know you're gonna run out of it. Feels like the 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:48.120 clock may run out here on this whole thing. How 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:50.680 optimistic are you that the legislature is going to get 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:52.960 back in a session and go we got to address 0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:55.360 this right now? This is this is the biggest thing 0:58:55.360 --> 0:58:58.600 we've got to face. So so that's what I'm That's 0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:00.720 what I'm doing today. I mean, that's I'm doing this morning. 0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:03.960 That's what I'll be doing for probably the next until 0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:07.240 we get this thing fixed. But yeah, I mean, my 0:59:07.240 --> 0:59:09.920 my recommendation to people that are out there is contact 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:12.680 your local legislator. If you're somebody that drinks these products, 0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:14.439 and there's a lot of you out there. I mean, 0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:16.920 the the amount of growth we saw on this was 0:59:16.920 --> 0:59:19.760 was I mean, it was tremendous and and you know, 0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:21.560 if you want to fix this, rech out your. 0:59:21.400 --> 0:59:23.800 Local legislator, talk to them about. 0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:27.680 These products that have been removed via executive order and 0:59:27.680 --> 0:59:29.919 and tell them, tell them who you are and why 0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:32.520 you want it back. Because I believe in America. I 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:34.200 believe in the American process. 0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:36.560 And I think that that that's. 0:59:36.320 --> 0:59:38.680 How we fix this. So let's go out there, let's 0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:40.600 rally this up, because you are right. I mean I 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:43.400 have we hired a whole sales team over the last 0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:46.600 several months, and you know, I don't know what to 0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:48.560 tell those people to do as of Tuesday. 0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:50.160 It's hard to sell a product that you're not allowed 0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:51.560 to sell, right, So. 0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:54.160 Uh, with that being said, I'm committed to my team 0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:56.040 and and you know, they made a commitment to me, 0:59:56.080 --> 0:59:57.840 and so you know, we're going to go out there 0:59:57.840 --> 0:59:59.960 and you know, if they can't sell product, then we're going. 0:59:59.920 --> 1:00:02.320 To go We'll send them into talk to politicians. 1:00:02.320 --> 1:00:03.560 I don't know what we're gonna do with them, but 1:00:03.600 --> 1:00:05.320 we're gonna We're going to figure out a way to 1:00:05.600 --> 1:00:09.320 make sense of this because our sales, the way I 1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:10.920 like to look at it is the sales and the 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:15.160 growth of of the of the sunflower products was it 1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:17.880 was the people of Ohio speaking. It was consumer preference, right. 1:00:17.880 --> 1:00:20.440 They weren't buying these products because somebody was forcing them to. 1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:22.560 They were buying them because this is this is a 1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:26.760 new wave that they're moving towards. And so you know, 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:28.680 if that's the voice of ohiolands. Then I think that 1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:30.320 we should be able to get these laws straight, to 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:31.920 be able to cater to the people that live here 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:33.920 car wise, you know, yeah. 1:00:33.680 --> 1:00:36.000 They're going to go to Kentucky or Indiana or sure. 1:00:36.200 --> 1:00:37.120 Exactly it's okay. 1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:38.840 I mean, look at how they screw I don't know 1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:41.320 how big you are in the marijuana thing, but how 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:42.840 the song screwed in the first place. I mean, there 1:00:42.840 --> 1:00:45.200 was an overwhel the grounds flow of support ONLI and 1:00:45.200 --> 1:00:47.160 you could see the wave coming across America's more and 1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:50.200 more states adopted medical and then recreational weed. And you 1:00:50.200 --> 1:00:51.840 know what's going to happen in Ohio. It passed yere 1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:53.800 with like sixty percent, and up until the last minute, 1:00:53.840 --> 1:00:56.200 the governor of the legislature fought and fought and fought 1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:58.400 against it and then try to create more rules to 1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:02.400 subvert that the will of the people. And now now 1:01:02.440 --> 1:01:05.200 we're having government that's screaming about you know. 1:01:05.600 --> 1:01:05.680 Uh. 1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:09.320 Delta a THHC products, and Delta eight is a psychoactive 1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:13.040 compound and the highest similar to traditional marijuana. Delta nine 1:01:13.120 --> 1:01:16.440 is regular marions Delta eight, So it's just a molecule 1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:18.200 or two all right. 1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:18.720 Just clear. 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:22.920 I mean, the governor outlawed all intoxic what he's calling 1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:23.880 intoxicating hemp. 1:01:23.960 --> 1:01:25.800 So whether it's delta, we have a. 1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:29.360 Delta nine product that adulta nine THHD products. And there's 1:01:29.400 --> 1:01:32.440 a lot of opinions on on on that whole that 1:01:32.440 --> 1:01:34.280 whole side of it, but just to be clear, see 1:01:34.280 --> 1:01:36.480 outlaud all of it, and that put us. That's where 1:01:36.520 --> 1:01:38.560 we're we're insta play and that's one of the things 1:01:38.600 --> 1:01:40.240 they're looking at the state level right now is what 1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:44.160 is the definition of this because that's I think that's 1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:45.960 that's one of the gray areas that may exist that 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:47.840 people may say, Okay, well what what did. 1:01:47.680 --> 1:01:50.320 He outlaged the outloud delta did the outlog tox saying hemp? 1:01:50.440 --> 1:01:52.480 There is no definition toxing amp, so what is that? 1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:56.200 But yeah, because the legislature in twenty and nineteen messed 1:01:56.240 --> 1:01:57.920 that whole thing up. They just said hamp in instead 1:01:57.960 --> 1:02:01.080 of specifying hamp as in the fan brick versus happened. 1:02:01.240 --> 1:02:03.640 And that's the quote unquote. 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:05.480 But my point on that, though Bobby was and hear 1:02:05.520 --> 1:02:07.840 me out, is the fact that this whole thing was 1:02:07.880 --> 1:02:11.320 created by prohibition and that people saw the benefits of 1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:13.840 marijuana could use it responsibly legally, saying, hey, you don't 1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:15.720 I feel as bad as they do after alcohol and 1:02:16.000 --> 1:02:18.200 you know opioids. I'm on NAP because I just had 1:02:18.240 --> 1:02:20.880 surgery and I'm like, I'd rather use the marijuana and 1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:24.000 THHC as a pain relief and as a sleep aid 1:02:24.000 --> 1:02:28.080 as opposed to something that's habited forming and THD is not. 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:29.800 But the fact of the matter is all these you 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:32.040 know ta whether it's Delta eight or Delta ten, and 1:02:32.040 --> 1:02:34.320 the people think, well, you know, they're chemical compounds and 1:02:34.360 --> 1:02:36.880 it's not the real it's because you prohibited people from 1:02:36.920 --> 1:02:39.720 getting it. And so to your point about market forces, 1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:41.920 people found a way around that and said, well, you 1:02:41.920 --> 1:02:44.320 know what, chemically, I can change it and it's still legal. 1:02:44.480 --> 1:02:47.160 So and you know, called a loophole is I think 1:02:47.520 --> 1:02:51.040 disingenuous the fact that you have a product that people want. 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:53.720 You didn't make a product Bobby at fifty West and say, 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:55.280 I wonder if people about it. You knew there was 1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:57.080 a demand for it, and you jumped into it. And 1:02:57.120 --> 1:03:00.520 that's that you realize the American dream that way they're going, 1:03:00.680 --> 1:03:03.840 we prohibited it, and now we're going after the thing 1:03:03.920 --> 1:03:05.360 that problem we created in the first place. 1:03:06.280 --> 1:03:08.640 Yeah, I think the frustrating part for us is that 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:12.400 our customers that are drinking sunflour this, they're doing it, 1:03:12.440 --> 1:03:14.920 most of them. This is a health conscious decision. This 1:03:15.040 --> 1:03:17.640 is not a this is this isn't you know, a 1:03:17.640 --> 1:03:19.880 different psychoactive that they prefer, most of them. 1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:22.080 It's a it's an alternative. 1:03:21.640 --> 1:03:26.440 Alcohol that they believe in, not believe, but just healthier. 1:03:26.480 --> 1:03:27.800 The calories are less, it. 1:03:27.720 --> 1:03:28.720 Doesn't disrupt your sleep. 1:03:29.640 --> 1:03:32.440 So so I think that's that's what we're trying to 1:03:32.680 --> 1:03:35.000 understand and try to try to, you know, spread that 1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:37.280 message because we're the largest seller. 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:39.640 I mean, we were selling more of that. 1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:41.040 Here's what's interesting. 1:03:41.080 --> 1:03:44.680 This is a five milligram THHC beverage. Now, if you 1:03:44.720 --> 1:03:46.560 went into the store and for ten dollars you could 1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:49.360 get five milligram beverage or for ten dollars you get 1:03:49.400 --> 1:03:52.520 fifty miligram beverage. Naturally you would probably think, well, I 1:03:52.520 --> 1:03:54.200 would take the fifty because I get more of it. 1:03:54.640 --> 1:03:57.880 Customers are buying the lower milligram beverage because they're looking 1:03:57.920 --> 1:04:02.600 for the healthy alternative. It's we're the better miss of society, right, 1:04:02.680 --> 1:04:06.040 so for the band to be in place because of 1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:09.760 safety purposes, Uh, it seems a little you know, that's 1:04:09.760 --> 1:04:11.560 the part that's a little difficult for me to meet, 1:04:11.560 --> 1:04:14.280 it for me to grasp, and I feel bad for 1:04:14.680 --> 1:04:17.520 you know, they talked about the toxicology reports and things 1:04:17.600 --> 1:04:19.560 like that, and I'm sure there's validity to those, but 1:04:20.160 --> 1:04:21.840 you know, I would I would argue that if you 1:04:21.880 --> 1:04:24.720 look at the toxicology reports as it related to alcohol 1:04:24.880 --> 1:04:28.160 with the same same group, it would be exponentially greater question. 1:04:28.160 --> 1:04:29.280 And so if we were really trying to. 1:04:29.240 --> 1:04:32.000 Save the children here, like, are we talking about prohibition 1:04:32.040 --> 1:04:35.120 on alcohol? Because that I think that would stir ale 1:04:35.520 --> 1:04:36.800 a whole different, whole difference. 1:04:36.800 --> 1:04:37.000 We have. 1:04:37.120 --> 1:04:40.360 We have Bobby Slattery from fifty US, We have a 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:42.680 litany and there's a long list of kids who have 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:44.520 done I mean, vaping is a huge thing. And I 1:04:44.720 --> 1:04:46.920 mentioned that I had Jason Friedman on the Ohio CBD Guy. 1:04:46.960 --> 1:04:48.520 They's all vay products too. And if you get a 1:04:48.600 --> 1:04:52.919 container of nicotine liquid nicotine it can kill you through 1:04:52.960 --> 1:04:56.080 through either usclar your skin, or whether you drink it 1:04:56.160 --> 1:04:58.520 or whatever. I mean, enough nicotine will kill a person. 1:04:58.600 --> 1:05:01.040 I know, we know enough alcohol kill a person, right, 1:05:02.000 --> 1:05:04.160 You can't kill a person with hemp and a THHD. 1:05:04.200 --> 1:05:07.240 Now does anyone want their kid quote unquote oding or 1:05:07.280 --> 1:05:10.520 taking a hump related product or CBD prey or THHD. No, 1:05:10.600 --> 1:05:12.720 of course not, because it's it's frightening for the kid 1:05:12.760 --> 1:05:15.120 to strike to be you as a parent, and if 1:05:15.120 --> 1:05:17.280 it falls into kids hands, then that that is a 1:05:17.360 --> 1:05:20.600 huge problem. But I mean, you just open fifty West 1:05:20.760 --> 1:05:22.880 in Deerfield Township and I've been there a couple of times. 1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:27.520 It's phenomenal volleyball and the whole vibe is great, and 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:29.240 I look at that and go, that's awesome. People are 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:31.680 out there and enjoying themselves. I see people drinking sunflower, 1:05:31.760 --> 1:05:34.320 which is the beverage you're talking about here. How many 1:05:34.360 --> 1:05:36.840 kids a day do you serve at fifty West and 1:05:37.080 --> 1:05:39.520 feed them a sunflower and THG? 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:40.840 How often does that happen? 1:05:41.000 --> 1:05:41.360 No? 1:05:41.360 --> 1:05:43.600 No, no, no, no, never, kids don't. 1:05:43.600 --> 1:05:45.720 I mean the kids come there for the milkshakes and 1:05:45.760 --> 1:05:47.880 the chicken fingers and the cheapersion, right, and to be 1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:52.840 the sand I think that's what we saw was especially 1:05:52.840 --> 1:05:56.200 in the family friendly space and people that are out 1:05:56.200 --> 1:05:56.800 there listening. 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:58.360 If you've got kids and they play sports. 1:05:58.360 --> 1:06:00.560 You've been there on the Sunday after the soccer game 1:06:00.560 --> 1:06:02.920 where the soccer team has to get together and you're like, 1:06:03.000 --> 1:06:04.320 I feel like I got to be social, but I 1:06:04.320 --> 1:06:05.680 really don't feel like drinking because I got to go 1:06:05.680 --> 1:06:07.440 to work in the morning. And that's where we were 1:06:07.440 --> 1:06:10.520 seeing these sunflower beverages really take off. Was like it 1:06:10.600 --> 1:06:12.840 was the soccer team showing up and the moms being like, 1:06:13.320 --> 1:06:15.560 you know what, I don't feel like drinking, but I got. 1:06:15.360 --> 1:06:17.000 To do something social, so I'll have one of these. 1:06:17.040 --> 1:06:19.440 So they were really falling somewhere in between what we 1:06:19.560 --> 1:06:22.120 call an na beverage and alcohol. This was sort of 1:06:22.120 --> 1:06:24.959 that in between medium, and it was awesome to see. 1:06:25.000 --> 1:06:26.880 I mean, it's been awesome and I think there's a 1:06:26.920 --> 1:06:30.280 real marketplace for that to continue. So I think the 1:06:30.360 --> 1:06:32.040 goal here, though, is in one of the things that 1:06:32.760 --> 1:06:35.440 you know, it is right now there's no age regulation 1:06:35.520 --> 1:06:37.120 on this, and I think that that's something that we 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:40.680 need to put into effect. Right So my goal, being 1:06:40.680 --> 1:06:43.960 an optimist is let's reach out to the legislators. This 1:06:44.080 --> 1:06:47.080 is an extreme action taken by our governor, right like 1:06:47.120 --> 1:06:51.120 he took an extreme measure. I'm hoping that our legislators 1:06:51.120 --> 1:06:53.160 are going to take extreme measures to go make better 1:06:53.240 --> 1:06:55.480 loss because one of the things that he put in 1:06:55.520 --> 1:06:57.960 there was if we can get this thing passed through 1:06:58.000 --> 1:07:00.760 and get some sort of bill and understanding of reasonable 1:07:00.840 --> 1:07:03.240 laws in place, well then we can go back to 1:07:03.240 --> 1:07:05.680 selling these things again. And so I can sit here 1:07:05.680 --> 1:07:07.720 and I can cry and say this isn't fair. We 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:10.480 invested money and there's jobs at stake and all that stuff, 1:07:10.600 --> 1:07:12.040 or I can sit here and fight and say, hey, 1:07:12.080 --> 1:07:13.760 we're going to make America better and we're going to 1:07:13.800 --> 1:07:16.240 find a way to put laws in place that makes 1:07:16.280 --> 1:07:17.960 sense for Ohio so we can get to the place 1:07:17.960 --> 1:07:18.320 where we. 1:07:18.280 --> 1:07:18.600 Want to be. 1:07:19.360 --> 1:07:21.760 And that's that's what my efforts are focused on right now. 1:07:22.560 --> 1:07:24.320 And you know I would I would rally people that 1:07:24.360 --> 1:07:27.160 are out there, reach out to your legislator, because that's 1:07:27.200 --> 1:07:28.360 that's how this thing's going to change. 1:07:28.480 --> 1:07:31.320 Yeah, here and cry, we're cry on. 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:32.640 The sidelines and say this isn't. 1:07:32.480 --> 1:07:33.120 Fair, it's illegal. 1:07:33.120 --> 1:07:33.960 Why did you do this to me. 1:07:34.000 --> 1:07:36.400 It's like, hey, let's go change the laws, let's go 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:38.080 make o Hio a better place, and let's get this 1:07:38.160 --> 1:07:39.560 in a spot where we want it to be. 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:41.640 Look, there are people out there. They're bad operators, always 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:43.200 gonna be bad. There's gonna be people who are buying 1:07:43.560 --> 1:07:45.920 the alcohol for underage kids, right, I mean that's happening 1:07:46.000 --> 1:07:48.919 if we've seen that happen. But in this case, Anna, 1:07:49.000 --> 1:07:51.320 you got some guy onans a gas station or carry 1:07:51.320 --> 1:07:55.080 out whatever selling tht laced sour Patch kids. And it 1:07:55.200 --> 1:07:57.320 looks like sour Patch kids is some fifteen year old 1:07:57.360 --> 1:07:59.800 or a product that's Delta eight tilta ten product that's 1:07:59.800 --> 1:08:03.240 going to get them high. And there's a loophole there. Okay, 1:08:03.240 --> 1:08:05.600 that's a bad operator, mind book. You go after that person, 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:07.240 you shut them down, You make an example of dis 1:08:07.320 --> 1:08:10.520 wade others from over sheer greed from doing the same thing. 1:08:11.440 --> 1:08:14.160 That's what we're talking about with fifty West and uh 1:08:14.400 --> 1:08:17.440 drink that's intended for adults here, but yet we're casting 1:08:17.520 --> 1:08:18.639 everyone to the same lot. 1:08:19.600 --> 1:08:22.519 Yeah, it's it's the unfortunate circumstance that we're caught in 1:08:22.600 --> 1:08:26.160 right now. But you know, like like I said, this 1:08:26.200 --> 1:08:27.960 is just part of the fifty West story. Like we're 1:08:27.960 --> 1:08:29.360 going to go out there and we're going to help 1:08:29.400 --> 1:08:30.880 change the law and we're going to make it better 1:08:30.920 --> 1:08:33.240 so that the you know, on the positive, it's going 1:08:33.280 --> 1:08:34.639 to be good for our sales when we get to fix. 1:08:34.680 --> 1:08:35.920 On the positive, it's going to be good that we're 1:08:35.920 --> 1:08:38.080 going to eliminate the bad operators. But the only way 1:08:38.080 --> 1:08:40.160 to changes is through the legislators. And they really need to, 1:08:40.520 --> 1:08:42.599 like this is time where they need to step up 1:08:42.920 --> 1:08:45.679 and they need to help help small businesses like us, 1:08:45.880 --> 1:08:49.200 help the consumers out there from you know, product products 1:08:49.200 --> 1:08:52.080 that potentially, you know, are bad operators. I think I 1:08:52.080 --> 1:08:54.240 think it's a critical time in Ohio. And you know, 1:08:54.360 --> 1:08:56.160 the governor took a very bold it made a very 1:08:56.160 --> 1:08:59.280 bolde on this. Whether you agree with it, disagree with it, whatever, 1:08:59.640 --> 1:09:02.160 you know, all I can focus on is how do 1:09:02.280 --> 1:09:05.240 I make it? You know, the consumers are already smoke spoken. 1:09:06.120 --> 1:09:08.280 Just look at our sales. Look at what's happening in 1:09:08.280 --> 1:09:10.200 the marketplace. Thank you, by the way, to everyone out 1:09:10.280 --> 1:09:12.919 out there that bought bought this, bought our products. 1:09:13.080 --> 1:09:14.320 The Sunflower thing. It was. 1:09:14.720 --> 1:09:17.240 It was amazing to watch and it's going to continue 1:09:17.240 --> 1:09:19.200 to be. So let's go out there and fight figure 1:09:19.200 --> 1:09:20.040 out how to get. 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:21.439 This thing fixed. Like that's that's where mine is. 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:23.320 I got before I let you go to put this 1:09:23.360 --> 1:09:25.679 in perspective, because a band goes an effect in ninety 1:09:25.680 --> 1:09:27.000 I don't know if we're going to get to ninety two. 1:09:27.000 --> 1:09:28.880 I think maybe the legislature wakes up and does something 1:09:28.920 --> 1:09:33.280 here finally. But at the same time, like if you're saying, okay, 1:09:33.320 --> 1:09:35.799 we're kind of peak craft beer, like people aren't drinking 1:09:35.800 --> 1:09:38.040 as much alcohol related products. They're moving to the CBD 1:09:38.160 --> 1:09:40.960 and the TC related products and all that stuff, and 1:09:41.000 --> 1:09:42.800 it's a growing market share for you. 1:09:43.160 --> 1:09:45.320 The question would be, then can you survive without this? 1:09:47.960 --> 1:09:50.559 This is going to affect us. I mean, like I mean, 1:09:50.600 --> 1:09:52.559 I'm going to survive no matter what happened. We made 1:09:52.560 --> 1:09:54.880 it through COVID, we made it through. This is part 1:09:54.880 --> 1:09:57.479 of This is one of the best parts about being 1:09:57.479 --> 1:09:59.519 an entrepreneur. And if you want to be an entrepreneur 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:01.680 out there back part, our days. 1:10:01.439 --> 1:10:02.719 Are well they are days like today. 1:10:02.880 --> 1:10:03.719 This is when it's fun. 1:10:03.760 --> 1:10:05.840 The worst part about work is showing up and being like, 1:10:06.120 --> 1:10:07.920 all right, well we're just you know, we're gonna open 1:10:08.000 --> 1:10:08.760 the doors and we're going. 1:10:08.680 --> 1:10:09.080 To do this. 1:10:09.080 --> 1:10:12.000 This This is when it's fun. So like, yes, we're 1:10:12.000 --> 1:10:15.400 gonna survive it. Yes we're going to keep employing people. Yes, 1:10:15.439 --> 1:10:18.400 this is challenging, but like this is this is what 1:10:18.479 --> 1:10:20.080 makes my job fun and I'm excited about it. 1:10:20.120 --> 1:10:22.479 So how long does it take for you to produce 1:10:22.479 --> 1:10:25.120 a barrel of sunflower or our can of sunflow? Because okay, 1:10:25.200 --> 1:10:27.439 that's ninety days. But you know, there's it's not like 1:10:27.520 --> 1:10:29.160 you can wake up and go, Okay, I'm gonna make 1:10:29.280 --> 1:10:31.519 five hundred barrels of this stuff. How do you you 1:10:31.560 --> 1:10:33.800 know there's I mean, I mean. 1:10:33.720 --> 1:10:35.400 You want to talk about the reality of the situation 1:10:35.479 --> 1:10:37.880 we're looking at. This is a product that took off. 1:10:38.000 --> 1:10:38.599 So when a. 1:10:38.520 --> 1:10:40.800 Product takes off, we gotta we gotta, we got to 1:10:40.800 --> 1:10:43.800 go fruit. We get well, no, it's easy to say 1:10:43.800 --> 1:10:45.720 crank it out, but let's talk about you know, our 1:10:45.720 --> 1:10:47.439 fruit's coming out of one part of the country and 1:10:47.439 --> 1:10:49.360 our cans are coming out of another part of the country. 1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:52.360 So we we saw a massive demand and we're and 1:10:52.360 --> 1:10:53.880 now all of a sudden, we can't keep up with it. 1:10:53.920 --> 1:10:56.439 So we order all of this product. I mean, we've 1:10:56.439 --> 1:10:57.000 been this is. 1:10:57.080 --> 1:10:59.920 Months of work that now we have all these supplies. 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:04.040 That's that's locked and you know I'm allowed to use it, right, 1:11:04.560 --> 1:11:07.160 So that's the that's the reality of the business. And 1:11:07.160 --> 1:11:09.439 and like I said before, I mean I can sit 1:11:09.439 --> 1:11:12.240 here and cry about it, say it's not fair, but 1:11:12.680 --> 1:11:14.479 or you just got to go figure out how to 1:11:14.479 --> 1:11:15.240 fight and make it work. 1:11:15.240 --> 1:11:16.920 Well, let's try and get some Let's try and get 1:11:16.920 --> 1:11:17.320 this fixed. 1:11:17.400 --> 1:11:19.280 Tom, Yeah, call your. 1:11:19.200 --> 1:11:22.240 Legislators, tell them, like if you want, if you want 1:11:22.240 --> 1:11:25.320 these products because you love drinking them, and and you're 1:11:25.360 --> 1:11:26.880 somebody that found some flower. 1:11:26.600 --> 1:11:29.839 And and you know, helped grow that, call your legislator. 1:11:29.840 --> 1:11:32.439 If you're somebody that believes in you know, small business 1:11:32.439 --> 1:11:34.920 in America and you like my story, call them, you know, 1:11:35.080 --> 1:11:38.160 like help me out here. It's uh, it's this is fun. 1:11:38.200 --> 1:11:39.760 We're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna figure it out. 1:11:40.080 --> 1:11:40.320 I hope. 1:11:40.320 --> 1:11:42.760 So Hey, man, I appreciate calling in and jumping on 1:11:42.800 --> 1:11:44.479 the show this morning, Bobby and listen, and I thank 1:11:44.479 --> 1:11:44.800 you for that. 1:11:45.760 --> 1:11:47.720 I well, I appreciate you one coming out to our 1:11:47.800 --> 1:11:50.120 Mason location and saying the nice things about it and 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:52.040 too talking about in the radio. I was coming in 1:11:52.080 --> 1:11:54.080 this morning. It was it's very frustrating. I tell you 1:11:54.120 --> 1:11:55.680 to sit there and have somebody keep throwing your name 1:11:55.720 --> 1:11:56.000 out there. 1:11:56.040 --> 1:11:58.320 I'm like, I got something to say. I got something. 1:11:58.479 --> 1:12:00.280 Hey, well, I'm glad we you know. 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:02.840 But it's on the same point though, Like it's not 1:12:02.920 --> 1:12:04.240 like you know, we're in the odds of this, we're 1:12:04.280 --> 1:12:06.760 the same. We're rolling together here because this is that 1:12:06.840 --> 1:12:09.759 defends every sensibility I have. That that's someone like yourself 1:12:09.800 --> 1:12:12.280 and many others for that matter, not in brewing, or 1:12:12.479 --> 1:12:15.360 who may be a CBD store owner whatever, or adults 1:12:15.400 --> 1:12:19.120 who simply want to enjoy something in the comfort of 1:12:19.160 --> 1:12:20.080 their own home or at the. 1:12:20.040 --> 1:12:22.320 Locations you talk about a fifty west uh. 1:12:22.760 --> 1:12:25.639 And to have a band come down in ninety days 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:28.840 because it's about the children is offensive to everything I'm about. 1:12:28.920 --> 1:12:31.439 So not ninety days. It came down. It came down 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:32.000 to five days. 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:33.920 Well five days, Yeah, I guess I should say, all right, right, 1:12:34.120 --> 1:12:36.000 we're gonna have a band for ninety Yeah. 1:12:35.920 --> 1:12:38.600 I got it. It's all right, so much, Bobby appreciate it. 1:12:38.640 --> 1:12:41.680 Good luck man, Yeah, thank you, everybody. Take care. There 1:12:41.720 --> 1:12:44.160 you go, Bobby Slattery. Check it on the show this morning. 1:12:45.760 --> 1:12:48.040 Yeah, and look at the demand and you're telling like, wait, man, 1:12:48.160 --> 1:12:50.679 I can't have this anymore, No, you can't have this anymore. 1:12:50.800 --> 1:12:52.280 Why, Well, it's politics. 1:12:51.880 --> 1:12:53.599 Away, I'm running light I gotta get to new seven 1:12:53.640 --> 1:12:55.200 hundred wwant to. 1:12:57.800 --> 1:13:01.200 Scott clo here seven hundred WLW. Will there finally be peace? 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:02.440 Peace in our lifetime. 1:13:03.479 --> 1:13:06.000 There's a potential to end the two year war between 1:13:06.080 --> 1:13:09.840 Israel Hamas Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he's going to 1:13:09.880 --> 1:13:12.040 convene the Israeli government. He's doing that today as we 1:13:12.080 --> 1:13:15.479 speak to ratify the Seasfire agreement, and President Trump may 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:17.559 travel to Egypt as soon as this weekend, and that's 1:13:17.600 --> 1:13:18.679 where the talks are being held. 1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:19.599 To put in perspective. 1:13:19.640 --> 1:13:23.120 As doctor Mark Nziolaco, he's a UTI political scientist, also 1:13:23.320 --> 1:13:26.320 a Middle Eastern expert, former director International Studies Program, and 1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:28.720 founder of d's Human Rights Studies program. 1:13:29.000 --> 1:13:29.720 Mark, how you been? 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:31.880 I'm fine? 1:13:32.080 --> 1:13:32.559 How are you? 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:33.599 I'm fine. 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:35.840 I think peace in the world is a good thing. 1:13:35.920 --> 1:13:38.439 I think when you see the people being ravaged, not 1:13:38.479 --> 1:13:41.800 only from what happened two years ago in twenty twenty three, 1:13:41.960 --> 1:13:46.240 to normal Israelis living their lives, to the bombing and 1:13:46.280 --> 1:13:48.679 suessant bombing of those in Gosam, any of those people 1:13:48.760 --> 1:13:51.640 not really other than the fact that they're chatteled in 1:13:51.720 --> 1:13:55.120 this whole mixed up conflict illustrates the absurdity and just 1:13:55.160 --> 1:13:58.360 how cruel we are to other human beings, and maybe 1:13:58.400 --> 1:14:00.800 we'll finally get peace, peace at last. And the question 1:14:00.920 --> 1:14:04.640 is will that piece last? Because I'm also well, I 1:14:04.640 --> 1:14:06.439 think the glass may be half full here. I think 1:14:06.479 --> 1:14:08.320 that there's some problems. We'll get into that. So let's 1:14:08.320 --> 1:14:09.960 talk about the deal real quick. Let me outline it 1:14:10.040 --> 1:14:12.040 in case you're not following this or just hearing it 1:14:12.080 --> 1:14:13.920 for the first time. Hamas has agreed to release all 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:17.519 their remrining hostages Israel. We will draw their withdraw their 1:14:17.520 --> 1:14:22.680 forces back to what they call the agreed upon yellow line. 1:14:22.880 --> 1:14:25.120 And this is just the first phase of the peace agreement. 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:28.000 So it's going to be the hostages and then Palestinian 1:14:28.000 --> 1:14:32.000 prisoners get released, and then once that's finalized and within 1:14:32.040 --> 1:14:33.680 forty eight hours, all this is going to end. But 1:14:33.720 --> 1:14:35.559 there are some bombs going off today as a matter 1:14:35.600 --> 1:14:39.040 of fact. So first and foremost is this is phase one, 1:14:39.479 --> 1:14:41.479 and that seems to be the easy phase Phase two 1:14:41.520 --> 1:14:43.400 and beyond that's probably the more difficult. 1:14:43.439 --> 1:14:44.160 Can you lay that out? 1:14:45.479 --> 1:14:48.040 Oh well, I mean, there's the twenty point plan. It 1:14:48.200 --> 1:14:51.880 was agreed to a week or so ago, very elaborate, 1:14:52.040 --> 1:14:57.000 very very elaborate, very detailed, and the phase where now 1:14:57.120 --> 1:14:59.080 is really just what or too wide of you know, 1:15:00.080 --> 1:15:03.559 the key is really getting Hamas to lay down its 1:15:03.600 --> 1:15:08.240 weapons and uh for Hamas to have no future uh 1:15:08.400 --> 1:15:14.040 in any Palestinian administration that runs that that land. And 1:15:14.080 --> 1:15:17.760 that's that's a long that's a long stretch. That's that's 1:15:17.800 --> 1:15:22.479 when you've laid the foundations for genuine peace. The smoke 1:15:22.560 --> 1:15:26.280 hasn't cleared yet from a two year and very as 1:15:26.320 --> 1:15:29.960 you say, very very bloody, very very violent war, I 1:15:30.000 --> 1:15:36.280 meant destruction on almost unimaginable levels. So I mean just 1:15:36.360 --> 1:15:40.519 psychologically and emotionally. How do people who are already each 1:15:40.520 --> 1:15:43.400 other's throats, how do they recover from this? How do 1:15:43.439 --> 1:15:44.720 they move forward? 1:15:45.080 --> 1:15:45.400 Uh? 1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:49.920 You know, gritter things maybe haven't been done, but maybe 1:15:50.000 --> 1:15:54.679 the violence was precisely so bad that everyone finally wakes 1:15:54.760 --> 1:15:57.360 up and realizes that we have to find a means 1:15:57.400 --> 1:16:00.720 to uh to coexist and live together. So I'll hope 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:01.280 that's the goal. 1:16:01.439 --> 1:16:04.000 Yeah, you hope so too. You just wonder how long 1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:05.600 it's going to last. And I kind of mentioned that 1:16:05.640 --> 1:16:07.919 in my preamble there as you know, you're the professor 1:16:08.000 --> 1:16:10.720 in this conversation. You're the student of this more than 1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:14.200 I am. I can't count how many deals we've had 1:16:14.200 --> 1:16:17.360 in the past when it comes to different accords and 1:16:17.400 --> 1:16:20.320 the like, and that's not just Hummas, but generally peace 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:23.879 between Palestine in Israel itself. I mean, the also Accords 1:16:23.920 --> 1:16:26.400 back in the nineties, you had Camp David in two thousand, 1:16:27.200 --> 1:16:30.000 You've had summits and roadmaps for peace, and the Annapolis 1:16:30.040 --> 1:16:33.240 Conference and Trump's peace plan from five years ago, and 1:16:33.720 --> 1:16:35.519 none of them went anywhere. Why is this the one? 1:16:37.240 --> 1:16:41.080 Yeah, you're exactly right. I mean, if those couldn't take 1:16:41.160 --> 1:16:46.479 hold in a much more favorable environment a peace than now, because, 1:16:46.560 --> 1:16:48.720 as I said a moment ago, the destruction, level of 1:16:48.760 --> 1:16:53.320 destruction is so great it's not even mistrust anymore. It's deep, 1:16:53.360 --> 1:16:57.920 deep hatd hatred. So one could only hope that the 1:16:58.000 --> 1:17:02.160 violence was so immense chock everybody into into a mind 1:17:02.560 --> 1:17:05.599 a mindset for a peace. But no, at this stage, 1:17:06.040 --> 1:17:09.479 we're looking what hostage you're coming back? I mean, it's 1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:14.559 really intelligence is assessin that Hamas may even be able 1:17:14.600 --> 1:17:19.839 to return all the dead hostages because obviously because the yeah, 1:17:19.880 --> 1:17:24.160 so will we be released, which prisoners will be released 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:28.960 what will stay? You know. Still, the big piece is 1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:35.879 does Hamas retain any any power now both within Gaza, 1:17:35.960 --> 1:17:40.320 among Palestinians and certainly vis A vis uh is real 1:17:40.400 --> 1:17:43.280 who's not going to stop huntings, you know, Israeli? So 1:17:43.280 --> 1:17:46.439 you're not going to stop hunting Hamas because they meet it. 1:17:46.560 --> 1:17:50.920 They they reached an agreement sharma shake Egypt. So I 1:17:50.920 --> 1:17:56.559 mean the roots for violence are so deep that Yeah. 1:17:56.600 --> 1:17:59.360 So it's work as you can, as the UN says, 1:17:59.400 --> 1:18:03.439 get the houses is out and get the aid in. Uh, 1:18:03.760 --> 1:18:08.519 but be realistic about uh, be realistic about the prospects 1:18:08.520 --> 1:18:09.759 for a long, long term piece. 1:18:10.040 --> 1:18:10.519 Yeah. 1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:12.720 Yeah, I just don't imagine Hamas is going to go 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:14.880 away quiet, That's the thing is. And there's a couple 1:18:14.880 --> 1:18:16.920 of points in here too, is Hamas is going to 1:18:17.000 --> 1:18:18.719 lay down their arms and simply guy, I just don't 1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:21.519 see this as kind of like the American Revolutionary War 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:24.080 that all these combatants lay down their arms and go 1:18:24.160 --> 1:18:25.519 back to beting gentlemen farmers. 1:18:27.200 --> 1:18:29.080 Yeah, yes, I don't see that at all. 1:18:29.240 --> 1:18:29.559 Uh. 1:18:29.960 --> 1:18:32.439 You know, I mean, you know there was back in 1:18:32.479 --> 1:18:35.720 the day, but Oswell Accords, when you know, elements at 1:18:35.720 --> 1:18:38.280 PLO fought that were coming and they had a terrorist 1:18:38.360 --> 1:18:41.559 background and they made a transition from that. But this 1:18:41.880 --> 1:18:45.200 Hamas is different like his Bulla, there's a there's a 1:18:45.240 --> 1:18:50.360 different beast. Here's the point though, Gaza is is reubble 1:18:50.439 --> 1:18:54.679 and it really needs to be rebuilt UH and innicial 1:18:54.680 --> 1:18:58.720 communities on this before port and billions and billions of dollars. Now, 1:18:58.760 --> 1:19:02.720 what happened before was Hamas hijack that process hijacked. They 1:19:02.760 --> 1:19:06.960 were able to divert those pieces to missiles and tunnels 1:19:06.960 --> 1:19:11.240 and bombs and uniforms, all those all the belligerency material 1:19:11.320 --> 1:19:16.000 for war. So in the administration of this piece, if 1:19:16.040 --> 1:19:19.160 we move forward on this twenty point plant, there's the 1:19:19.200 --> 1:19:23.480 opportunity and there's really the imperative that the global community 1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:29.200 monitor their expendors, really control that process so that by 1:19:29.280 --> 1:19:34.879 by by administering Gaza UH really marginalizing. 1:19:34.240 --> 1:19:36.080 Hamas there so. 1:19:35.720 --> 1:19:38.760 Hamas will be could be at war UH. 1:19:38.880 --> 1:19:39.439 With the self. 1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:41.960 Tell us to the ends up war with themselves. If 1:19:42.000 --> 1:19:45.240 Hamas is to retain is going to try to retain 1:19:45.280 --> 1:19:46.000 some influence. 1:19:46.200 --> 1:19:47.880 And that's the billion dollar question, man, how do you 1:19:47.920 --> 1:19:50.120 prevent that from happening? Because two things off the top 1:19:50.160 --> 1:19:53.000 of my head, mark Ensilaka would be human nature, because 1:19:53.400 --> 1:19:57.280 you know the nature of having control as power and 1:19:57.360 --> 1:19:59.200 powers that come out and fear as part of that 1:19:59.600 --> 1:20:02.800 is the current of power. And so hey, how many 1:20:02.880 --> 1:20:04.760 regimes have we seen in the history of the world 1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:08.320 where someone's taken over and organizations taken over and it's 1:20:08.320 --> 1:20:10.960 become a total power grab. And again it's the has 1:20:10.960 --> 1:20:13.640 and the have nots. We take everything, we arm up, 1:20:13.680 --> 1:20:16.680 we scare the hell out of the people, and we 1:20:16.760 --> 1:20:18.760 keep them in line, whether it's this or poll pot 1:20:18.840 --> 1:20:20.880 or anybody else. And then the other thing is just 1:20:20.920 --> 1:20:23.320 out and out graft. Yeah, okay, we're gonna have what 1:20:23.400 --> 1:20:25.439 the un oversee this? Yeah, good luck with that. 1:20:26.920 --> 1:20:28.600 Huh. Yeah. 1:20:28.640 --> 1:20:32.720 You know, there's an old expression in diplomacy that the 1:20:32.760 --> 1:20:36.200 devil lives in the details. It's easy to sort of reach. 1:20:36.720 --> 1:20:40.280 It's not easy, but it's possible to reach broad twenty 1:20:40.320 --> 1:20:44.080 point goals and have some sort of pacific vision of 1:20:44.120 --> 1:20:46.920 the future. But it's in the implement patient as you say, 1:20:48.000 --> 1:20:50.240 how many tons of food are. 1:20:50.160 --> 1:20:51.160 Going to go in per day? 1:20:51.200 --> 1:20:55.559 Really, how are we going to reconstruct the destroyed sanitation systems? 1:20:55.600 --> 1:20:59.920 I mean, really, there is an opportunity out for God 1:21:00.000 --> 1:21:04.439 as it's for pales Indians in the new administration to build, 1:21:04.560 --> 1:21:08.679 not just rebuild guys, but build a new society there. 1:21:09.160 --> 1:21:10.559 And they're going to have to do it because it's 1:21:10.600 --> 1:21:14.240 literally rubble and it's literally great loss of life, great disruption. 1:21:15.760 --> 1:21:19.120 But there's going to be a you know, there's going 1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:21.760 to be an international relief effort. I hope we're part 1:21:21.800 --> 1:21:23.439 of that and we don't have to take it over 1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:25.439 would be the number one contributed bit. 1:21:25.720 --> 1:21:27.679 We'll be involved clearly. 1:21:28.960 --> 1:21:32.640 The twenty Point Plan, as I understand it, sees a 1:21:32.720 --> 1:21:35.879 key role for a peace commission chaired by the President 1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:39.559 of the United States. So we're engaged. We're engaged right, clearly, 1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:42.639 But it's in the details. Let's get it right. Let's 1:21:42.720 --> 1:21:43.160 do it right. 1:21:43.479 --> 1:21:45.280 But the problem, and the other part of the problem 1:21:45.320 --> 1:21:48.559 to us who've seen in Afghanistan and backwards, is that 1:21:48.880 --> 1:21:51.799 we pay attention. Because we're Americans, We've got the attention 1:21:51.880 --> 1:21:55.519 span of a gnat, and we'll pay attention to what's happening. 1:21:55.600 --> 1:21:58.760 Once everything signed and the press opportunities over, we'll move 1:21:58.800 --> 1:22:01.200 on to the next shiny object, uh, and then things 1:22:01.240 --> 1:22:02.840 will fall apart in the Middle East and we'll wonder 1:22:02.840 --> 1:22:05.040 what happened. Is that a possibility? 1:22:05.840 --> 1:22:12.080 Uh yeah, I mean certainly one would in his in 1:22:12.120 --> 1:22:15.360 the Maga world. Is this is a step of involvement 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:19.120 in other countries wars that exactly what he promised to avoid. 1:22:19.160 --> 1:22:23.120 I mean, how how will his his loyalists, his most 1:22:23.160 --> 1:22:27.400 loyal supporters, how do they see? Uh this Nobel Price 1:22:27.479 --> 1:22:31.759 comes out tomorrow, It's gonna be fascinating, uhly fascinating. 1:22:31.760 --> 1:22:33.040 That's why I want to get it done right now, 1:22:33.040 --> 1:22:36.599 because he wants he wants he wants a Nobel prize. 1:22:37.439 --> 1:22:39.760 My my guess is that the votes are at the end. 1:22:40.040 --> 1:22:40.240 Uh. 1:22:40.520 --> 1:22:41.839 It would be interesting though. 1:22:42.040 --> 1:22:44.960 Uh, you know, the name should maybe bows around at 1:22:45.000 --> 1:22:48.360 Jared Kushner. I mean, he's been working behind the scenes 1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:50.120 for a long time. I'm not I'm not I'm not 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:54.400 nominating him by any means, but uh, there are there 1:22:54.439 --> 1:22:57.200 is a there was a there has been a great 1:22:57.200 --> 1:23:01.040 deal of behind the scenes action, uh in the Arab world, 1:23:01.160 --> 1:23:05.759 and it's gonna be fascinating to see with the passage 1:23:05.800 --> 1:23:08.880 of time what we learned about that process. History books 1:23:09.439 --> 1:23:11.479 are going to be fascinating with those period time. 1:23:11.600 --> 1:23:13.800 Yeah, he's doctor Mark Nsilako at the University of Dating 1:23:13.800 --> 1:23:17.080 political science professor there talking about maybe finally peace in 1:23:17.120 --> 1:23:20.880 the least between Israel and Hamas and regime change there 1:23:20.920 --> 1:23:23.920 and stopping the bombing, and it could happen relatively soon. 1:23:24.840 --> 1:23:27.280 The Prime Minister of Israel NET and Yahoo is convening 1:23:27.320 --> 1:23:30.479 the Israeli government today to vote on this to ratify 1:23:30.479 --> 1:23:33.160 the ceasefire agreement. The other side, any, I don't, We 1:23:33.160 --> 1:23:34.920 don't want to see a couple of bitter old men here. 1:23:34.920 --> 1:23:37.400 But you know we've seen this movie before, not just 1:23:37.439 --> 1:23:39.920 in our lifetime, into previous lifetimes. And you are a 1:23:39.920 --> 1:23:42.920 student of history, your political science professor, and history is 1:23:42.920 --> 1:23:45.760 the best indicator future behavior. And so if we're a 1:23:45.760 --> 1:23:48.840 little jaded and pessimistic about this, it's for good reason. 1:23:49.120 --> 1:23:51.479 It doesn't mean that this piece won't last. And hell, 1:23:51.520 --> 1:23:54.160 even if the piece lasts for six months, a year, 1:23:54.200 --> 1:23:56.840 two years, ten years, whatever, it is that that's better 1:23:56.880 --> 1:23:59.920 than these two sides blowing each other up, taking hostages, killing, 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:03.400 raping women, holding people hostage, and the other side bombing 1:24:03.439 --> 1:24:04.440 the hell out of civilians. 1:24:07.120 --> 1:24:11.920 Yeah, that's you just laid out of panorama. That's really frightening. 1:24:12.000 --> 1:24:14.800 I mean, yeah, I mean it's long term term. One thing, 1:24:14.840 --> 1:24:16.720 you would be always sure of the Middle East that 1:24:16.760 --> 1:24:19.920 there's something will flare up. But at the same time, 1:24:19.960 --> 1:24:23.280 and I don't want to be too optimistic about things, 1:24:23.280 --> 1:24:27.679 but the strategically the Middle East has changed a great deal. 1:24:27.720 --> 1:24:30.840 I mean because of the violence. I mean, obviously. 1:24:30.479 --> 1:24:31.519 Hamas has been. 1:24:32.920 --> 1:24:36.400 Close to being destroyed, but you know his boiler and 1:24:36.840 --> 1:24:39.280 the attack on Iran, with even the United States getting 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:42.200 involved attacking the nuclear sites. I mean, so you hit 1:24:42.240 --> 1:24:45.559 this arc of countries that were hostile to Israel's an 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:49.519 Israel sort of you know, took the fight to them, 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:55.320 and that is weakened these organizations regionally and strategically. Now 1:24:55.520 --> 1:24:58.400 I'm not simply saying, you know, we're a wonderful new world, 1:24:58.560 --> 1:25:01.559 you know, post war World War two, uh uh, you 1:25:01.600 --> 1:25:07.560 know world. But yeah, there's been changes in the strategic environment, 1:25:08.160 --> 1:25:10.640 and maybe that could be a basis. I mean, you 1:25:10.680 --> 1:25:14.080 look at these golf states, Goha and all these emirates, 1:25:14.080 --> 1:25:19.040 all these they're fabulously wealthy. They're fabulously wealthy societies. And 1:25:19.280 --> 1:25:22.040 although there's an attachment of Palesiti and cause that I 1:25:22.200 --> 1:25:25.000 could rather than Protrucian. I mean, there's a lot of 1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:26.920 people sort of want to get out into their lives, 1:25:27.120 --> 1:25:30.720 and they'd probably rather talk to Jared Kushner about real 1:25:30.840 --> 1:25:37.559 you know, you know, Mediterranean seafront real estate. Then they'll 1:25:37.600 --> 1:25:40.360 want to run around in a singing lo roc bar 1:25:40.960 --> 1:25:44.080 uh and and blowing things up, so there could be 1:25:44.160 --> 1:25:46.320 really environment. I always argue that when I wrote my 1:25:46.360 --> 1:25:50.120 first book about violence in the Middle East complex September 1:25:50.160 --> 1:25:54.479 September eleventh, it said looking at a different war, uh, 1:25:55.200 --> 1:25:58.519 you know against Alcada in Afghanistan. I simply said, you 1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:02.080 know this wills will this will end when mothers tell 1:26:02.120 --> 1:26:05.640 their children suicide in the act of blowing someone up 1:26:05.760 --> 1:26:08.640 is not you know, jihad in a way of Allah. 1:26:08.720 --> 1:26:12.439 You know when when you dead, attitude changes, and one 1:26:12.479 --> 1:26:14.800 could probably say he is ready sit side too. Within 1:26:15.120 --> 1:26:18.519 the settler movement, the extreme sort of Zionist movements that 1:26:18.520 --> 1:26:21.519 are that have taken the vigilante law in their own hand. 1:26:22.160 --> 1:26:27.240 There's deep problems in these societies that speak against a 1:26:27.479 --> 1:26:31.760 long lasting peace. But one can build on what. 1:26:31.880 --> 1:26:32.960 Was in front of us right now. 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:34.640 Right now, there's a lot of rebuilding, of a lot 1:26:34.680 --> 1:26:41.160 of destruction, and and make the difficult initial steps in 1:26:41.200 --> 1:26:43.960 these piece pass, make these count. 1:26:44.000 --> 1:26:45.479 Yeah, I think you kind of hit on it there. 1:26:45.520 --> 1:26:47.800 And the big question then to summarize what you're saying 1:26:47.800 --> 1:26:50.840 on Silaca, is this only works if both sides wanted 1:26:50.880 --> 1:26:51.240 to work. 1:26:53.680 --> 1:26:54.160 Yeah. 1:26:54.600 --> 1:26:56.880 I remember at ended a chapter in my book once 1:26:57.120 --> 1:26:59.000 where one of the leaders back in the day said, 1:26:59.080 --> 1:27:02.400 we don't want peace. Peace would end all our hopes. 1:27:03.240 --> 1:27:05.559 I mean, if that's the mentality you have, yeah, you've 1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:11.040 got that, You've got the permanent roots for for for 1:27:11.320 --> 1:27:14.600 future violence. But right now, clearly in the house to 1:27:14.680 --> 1:27:17.680 the inside is exhausted. I mean, it's really difficult to 1:27:17.720 --> 1:27:21.240 assess this because journalists have they not had access to 1:27:21.280 --> 1:27:25.240 little many have lost their lives in this conflict reporting 1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:29.200 from Gaza. But you know, one beginning to hear uh 1:27:30.040 --> 1:27:35.120 reports or inklings that Pelsis have turned on Hamas and 1:27:35.120 --> 1:27:37.080 they're saying, you know, yes, there's way these did this 1:27:37.240 --> 1:27:40.200 great distraction to us. But you provoke them, you know, 1:27:40.240 --> 1:27:42.560 you poked the bear, uh. 1:27:42.400 --> 1:27:46.280 And so you know Hamas Hamas. 1:27:45.920 --> 1:27:49.240 Militants will walk around with scars, greens, cigars are on 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:52.120 the head and and and the goose step. But in 1:27:52.160 --> 1:27:55.559 point of fact, there is a serious, very serious defeat 1:27:55.560 --> 1:27:58.120 for them militarily and politically. 1:27:58.160 --> 1:28:00.960 And and all the only multi phaser the point program. 1:28:01.280 --> 1:28:03.080 We're just in the first couple right now. This is 1:28:03.080 --> 1:28:05.280 only phase one. So we're a long way away from 1:28:05.400 --> 1:28:07.439 lasting peace at this point, even the Seas far because 1:28:07.479 --> 1:28:09.200 bombs are going off this morning as a matter of fact. 1:28:09.200 --> 1:28:13.080 There as we moved to phase two in beyond, it 1:28:13.120 --> 1:28:15.240 was France, I believe, the first loft of the notion 1:28:15.720 --> 1:28:18.720 that Palestinian statehood should be a thing, and some other 1:28:18.720 --> 1:28:21.600 countries signed on to that and absolutely upset those of 1:28:21.680 --> 1:28:24.160 us in the West. How dare you do this? They 1:28:24.200 --> 1:28:25.680 come in two years ago and look what they did, 1:28:25.680 --> 1:28:27.320 and now you want to give them statehood and forget 1:28:27.320 --> 1:28:29.679 everything else. But it sounds like part of this plan 1:28:29.760 --> 1:28:32.479 is eventually that that's exactly what's going to happen. I mean, 1:28:32.520 --> 1:28:35.800 if Israel is pulling back to this yellow line, then 1:28:35.840 --> 1:28:39.599 I'll have a final determination where that is. That would 1:28:39.640 --> 1:28:42.280 then mean that some degree of Palestinian state right. 1:28:43.520 --> 1:28:47.160 Well, you know, I thought, I thought France and Great 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:50.200 Britain announcing this a few weeks ago was really sort 1:28:50.240 --> 1:28:53.360 of and forgive me for putting in such plut terms, 1:28:53.360 --> 1:28:59.080 sort of you know, media just some media start there 1:28:59.120 --> 1:29:02.360 is no Palestinian state. I mean, when you say to me, 1:29:02.760 --> 1:29:04.559 show me your state, the first thing I want to 1:29:04.600 --> 1:29:08.639 know is where are the boundaries? So and then who's 1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:12.320 your leadership Hamas? I mean, it's nothing was going to 1:29:12.360 --> 1:29:16.080 come on this nonetheless, you know, and so I understand 1:29:16.080 --> 1:29:18.800 President Trump sort of trying to push back in our 1:29:18.840 --> 1:29:22.479 allies this tag back you were rewarding. You said exactly what, Scott, 1:29:22.800 --> 1:29:26.880 You're rewarding Hamas by giving them this prize. But no, 1:29:27.120 --> 1:29:29.439 the fact, the long term fact is there's going to 1:29:29.439 --> 1:29:32.280 have to be two states. So at some point you're 1:29:32.280 --> 1:29:35.160 going to so in the process of building, you know, 1:29:36.240 --> 1:29:39.400 when you when you really have to just make sanitation 1:29:39.560 --> 1:29:43.120 systems and water and deliver food and meta. You know, 1:29:43.560 --> 1:29:47.200 just the rudiments of running and government really, you know, 1:29:47.439 --> 1:29:51.599 particularly recovering one right, you can build trust, you can 1:29:51.600 --> 1:29:54.800 see that people can work together, and and that would 1:29:54.840 --> 1:29:57.920 has to be to go in building and rebuilding. I 1:29:57.920 --> 1:30:00.680 think we really have to lay the foundations build out 1:30:00.760 --> 1:30:04.519 for a long term, long term priest. But the global community, 1:30:05.320 --> 1:30:08.200 and that means the United States. What President Trump is 1:30:08.200 --> 1:30:10.439 the chairman of this this Peace Commission order it is 1:30:10.479 --> 1:30:15.040 called right, you said this right, the global communities have 1:30:15.080 --> 1:30:15.960 to stay engaged in that. 1:30:16.080 --> 1:30:16.240 Yeah. 1:30:16.320 --> 1:30:19.120 Yeah, and that means the United States too, Yeah, turn. 1:30:18.960 --> 1:30:19.519 Our back on it. 1:30:19.560 --> 1:30:22.200 We turn our back on It's Afghanistan, it's Vietnam, it's 1:30:22.240 --> 1:30:24.479 all those things. And we just, you know, because the 1:30:24.479 --> 1:30:26.760 public we lose interest in and why are we supporting them? 1:30:26.800 --> 1:30:28.160 Why are we doing this? And it's it's going to 1:30:28.200 --> 1:30:30.000 be I think probably more low key than that. It's 1:30:30.000 --> 1:30:32.200 not like we have troops on the ground there, but 1:30:32.600 --> 1:30:34.680 in that regardless of this is something we're gonna have 1:30:34.680 --> 1:30:36.320 to stay on top of for a long time if 1:30:36.360 --> 1:30:39.200 you want it to work. All right, I gotta get going, 1:30:39.240 --> 1:30:41.600 Doctor Mark Anziolaco, ud I wass appreciate the time in 1:30:41.600 --> 1:30:43.320 the in the good stuff. I feel like I'm sitting 1:30:43.320 --> 1:30:45.639 in one of your classes here. Thanks again for the time. 1:30:46.000 --> 1:30:46.640 I appreciate it. 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:47.360 Thank you so much. 1:30:47.640 --> 1:30:50.160 Have a good one. Uh yeah, whether it lasts or not, 1:30:50.640 --> 1:30:54.200 we're going to find out. Although history is certainly not 1:30:54.240 --> 1:30:57.120 on their side. But man, you look at the devastation, 1:30:57.400 --> 1:31:01.320 the destruction, the human casualty is the toll, it's seventy 1:31:01.360 --> 1:31:04.000 thousand plus people. I mean, that's a lot of people dying. 1:31:04.479 --> 1:31:08.320 And now it's over and hopefully you can go back 1:31:08.320 --> 1:31:10.439 to being that gentleman farmer. I don't know if a 1:31:10.520 --> 1:31:12.320 mos is gonna lay their arms down. I don't know 1:31:12.320 --> 1:31:14.920 if that's the thing, because there's always gonna be that streak. 1:31:14.920 --> 1:31:17.320 As soon as something goes sideways, they're gonna wind up 1:31:17.360 --> 1:31:18.080 game in more power. 1:31:18.160 --> 1:31:19.320 It's just the nature of the beast. 1:31:19.320 --> 1:31:21.439 Anyway, Quick time out News on the way Sloany on 1:31:21.479 --> 1:31:22.600 seven hundred WLW. 1:31:24.640 --> 1:31:27.360 The bells. Do you hear the bells? 1:31:27.720 --> 1:31:29.120 It could only mean one thing. 1:31:29.880 --> 1:31:34.280 It's Real estate time with Michelle Slow, Remax time agent 1:31:34.400 --> 1:31:38.439 and proud proprietor of Sloan sells Homes dot com. Heed 1:31:38.640 --> 1:31:44.560 her words or face her wrath on seven hundred WLW. 1:31:45.200 --> 1:31:47.600 Well, the government shutdown. You don't have many numbers to 1:31:47.640 --> 1:31:50.920 go on, and that'll be dwindling as things progress here. 1:31:50.960 --> 1:31:53.840 But there's just a gut feeling the economy isn't good. 1:31:54.960 --> 1:31:57.200 Not that it's not doing fine, it's just, you know, 1:31:57.280 --> 1:32:01.080 slowly dropping a little bit by a little bit. Unemployment 1:32:01.160 --> 1:32:04.080 remains relatively low, but housing is a big indicator. And 1:32:04.120 --> 1:32:07.639 that's where my wife Michelle comes in and looking at 1:32:07.640 --> 1:32:10.120 some of these numbers, it could be better, right, it 1:32:10.160 --> 1:32:10.840 could be better. 1:32:10.880 --> 1:32:12.760 The numbers that we have, we have a lot of 1:32:12.800 --> 1:32:16.600 new surveys coming out. They're not generated by the government necessarily, 1:32:17.400 --> 1:32:21.320 but a staggering ninety three percent of Americans believe housing 1:32:21.439 --> 1:32:25.280 costs are unreasonable. 1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:26.599 Unreasonable, six out of ten. 1:32:26.880 --> 1:32:28.640 Yeah, people, that's a lot. 1:32:28.880 --> 1:32:32.240 And only three percent of the respondent said that housing 1:32:32.280 --> 1:32:36.000 costs were actually reasonable. Now, if you're looking at your 1:32:36.120 --> 1:32:41.759 at anything, if you're taking a survey, would you actually say, ah, yeah, it's. 1:32:41.600 --> 1:32:45.599 Pretty good, The things are good, things are pretty good. 1:32:45.720 --> 1:32:48.479 Although there's another one that I saw as well, maybe 1:32:48.520 --> 1:32:50.559 you saw it too. I don't know who'd authored the study, 1:32:50.640 --> 1:32:53.320 so it's hard to say because you don't know. Could 1:32:53.360 --> 1:32:56.599 be a sample size of four people. But seven out 1:32:56.600 --> 1:33:00.800 of ten Americans young Americans believe that owning a home 1:33:01.200 --> 1:33:01.920 is a pipe dream. 1:33:01.920 --> 1:33:02.639 It will never happen. 1:33:03.200 --> 1:33:05.400 Yeah, sixty seven percent. I saw that as well. 1:33:05.479 --> 1:33:11.520 Sixty seven percent of Americans believe that home ownership is impossible. Impossible. 1:33:11.560 --> 1:33:16.600 Now that's pretty negative, pretty scary. It's pretty scary. I 1:33:16.640 --> 1:33:20.000 don't think it's impossible. But as you can see these 1:33:20.040 --> 1:33:25.240 two different things, you know, Americans are actually they're blaming 1:33:25.400 --> 1:33:30.000 everyone and you know, they feel like there's the world 1:33:30.040 --> 1:33:33.920 is against them, and the way things are it does 1:33:34.000 --> 1:33:35.880 make it difficult. I'm not going to lie. You know, 1:33:36.320 --> 1:33:39.439 everybody says we should I rent? Should I buy? You 1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:40.639 know what's the best way? 1:33:40.680 --> 1:33:40.880 Now? 1:33:40.920 --> 1:33:43.240 As a real estate agent, I'm you're going to think 1:33:43.240 --> 1:33:45.320 that I'm always going to tell you to buy, but 1:33:45.400 --> 1:33:47.400 I'm not going to tell you to buy if you're 1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:49.920 not ready, and you're going to get yourself in over 1:33:49.960 --> 1:33:51.519 your head, so you don't want. 1:33:51.280 --> 1:33:51.760 To do that. 1:33:53.080 --> 1:33:56.440 So sixty seven percent of Americans believe that home ownership 1:33:56.479 --> 1:34:02.720 is impossible. That's just crazy historic lows. And so we're 1:34:03.200 --> 1:34:08.120 we're trying to figure out how in the world can 1:34:08.280 --> 1:34:13.360 especially younger people. If you're less less than thirty half 1:34:13.400 --> 1:34:17.960 of our age, right and you don't have a home yet, 1:34:18.000 --> 1:34:20.479 how in the world do you do well? 1:34:20.520 --> 1:34:24.559 If you're saddled with student debt and you if you're 1:34:24.600 --> 1:34:27.000 someone who has to work a couple of jobs, a 1:34:27.000 --> 1:34:29.760 couple of multiple jobs. Health insurance is going to be 1:34:29.760 --> 1:34:31.240 a big issue as well. We're seeing the rates of 1:34:31.280 --> 1:34:33.800 health insurance go up and people getting dropped left and right. 1:34:34.800 --> 1:34:37.040 Don't know what's going to happen with Affordable Care Act. 1:34:37.080 --> 1:34:38.840 But I'm just talking about private insurance in that regard. 1:34:38.840 --> 1:34:43.280 That's a bad situation. We've seen generation after generation keeps 1:34:43.320 --> 1:34:45.479 delaying having children, if at all, And now we have 1:34:45.520 --> 1:34:47.599 people going, you know, I'll just have a dog. I'm fine, 1:34:48.520 --> 1:34:50.800 and not have a child, or maybe not even that. 1:34:51.080 --> 1:34:53.880 And so home ownership is not on the table for 1:34:53.960 --> 1:34:55.880 someone who can't afford a new car or a car 1:34:55.960 --> 1:34:59.200 in general, and is keeping their nose above water. And 1:34:59.240 --> 1:35:02.160 that's too any Americans, certainly, not all Americans, but it's 1:35:02.280 --> 1:35:05.679 it's the number itself is too big, and I guess 1:35:05.720 --> 1:35:07.880 that's why. And sadly at a young age. You know, 1:35:07.920 --> 1:35:10.360 you tend to be more optimistic when you're younger, but 1:35:11.080 --> 1:35:12.439 younger people today tend to be. 1:35:12.400 --> 1:35:13.519 More pessimistic, okay. 1:35:14.000 --> 1:35:16.000 And that has to do with social media, I think, 1:35:16.040 --> 1:35:17.880 and a lot of other factors as well, and some 1:35:18.000 --> 1:35:19.760 of the thoughts. 1:35:19.880 --> 1:35:23.360 As you know, people will make assumptions just based on 1:35:23.760 --> 1:35:27.599 their little world around themselves. Right, half of Americans are 1:35:27.640 --> 1:35:34.280 actually blaming investors for unreasonable housing costs because the thought 1:35:34.520 --> 1:35:38.760 is that investors are buying up all of the available properties, 1:35:39.320 --> 1:35:44.720 and actually that's not true, and it's hard to. You know, 1:35:44.960 --> 1:35:49.599 people believe what they believe, but it's it's not always true. 1:35:49.640 --> 1:35:54.360 It's it's very popular to blame investors, but the housing 1:35:54.439 --> 1:35:59.320 economics is more still that same old adage of supply 1:35:59.640 --> 1:36:04.000 and the driving cost is that we have a shortage 1:36:04.479 --> 1:36:10.640 of actual homes that are available to purchase, and investors 1:36:10.680 --> 1:36:14.200 only accounted for thirteen percent of home purchases in twenty 1:36:14.240 --> 1:36:18.639 twenty four. Thirteen percent. That's not very many. And most 1:36:18.680 --> 1:36:22.600 of those home purchases by investors were from mom and 1:36:22.680 --> 1:36:23.680 pop investors. 1:36:24.360 --> 1:36:25.719 So maybe it is. 1:36:26.200 --> 1:36:29.240 Mom and dad or grandma and grandpa who are helping 1:36:29.840 --> 1:36:34.439 the younger generation purchase their first home. And that's still 1:36:34.479 --> 1:36:37.760 considered an investment if you're not living in the property. 1:36:38.320 --> 1:36:43.080 So investors definitely own their share of housing stock, there's 1:36:43.120 --> 1:36:46.479 no question about it. But as far as that goes, 1:36:47.280 --> 1:36:51.800 they don't own it all. And investors are not the 1:36:51.840 --> 1:36:54.080 bad guy. You're always looking for a bad guy. 1:36:54.240 --> 1:36:56.200 Well they are when okay, here are these odd of 1:36:56.280 --> 1:36:58.320 state companies come in by a whole bunch of houses 1:36:58.400 --> 1:37:03.320 up and pay fairly well for them. But the problem, 1:37:03.320 --> 1:37:05.000 of course is the maintenance and the upkeep on them. 1:37:05.000 --> 1:37:06.519 And when you're not doing that when you're not doing 1:37:06.560 --> 1:37:08.760 your due diligence and making sure that you know the 1:37:08.760 --> 1:37:11.280 housing is actually a livable that causes the problem. But right, yeah, 1:37:11.280 --> 1:37:13.639 the numbers are what they are, right, So what one 1:37:13.680 --> 1:37:18.360 not every five. 1:37:16.880 --> 1:37:19.799 Investors about thirteen to fifteen percent? 1:37:20.040 --> 1:37:21.800 Yeah, lower than I thought. 1:37:22.200 --> 1:37:26.760 Yeah, and that's where you know, those statistics were from 1:37:26.800 --> 1:37:31.240 realtor dot com, So pretty reliable source beyond investors and 1:37:31.320 --> 1:37:35.920 material costs that are making it difficult and unreasonable as 1:37:35.960 --> 1:37:41.400 far as housing costs are concerned. The third big let's 1:37:41.520 --> 1:37:46.800 let's see who we can blame is politicians. Politicians are 1:37:46.840 --> 1:37:51.640 being blamed for the lack of affordable homes. And you know, 1:37:52.080 --> 1:37:56.840 again it's all about the economy and the how you 1:37:57.080 --> 1:38:00.960 everybody feels about the economy and their own situation. I 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:03.200 know that it is a lot of doom and gloom 1:38:03.240 --> 1:38:06.800 in that younger generation. They sure you're like it's impossible 1:38:06.880 --> 1:38:07.800 to get ahead. 1:38:07.680 --> 1:38:09.000 Social discord read it. 1:38:09.040 --> 1:38:11.040 I mean, all that stuff is pretty toxic and negative 1:38:11.040 --> 1:38:12.960 if you look at it, and if that's a steady 1:38:13.000 --> 1:38:15.280 dat or you get your information, you know, the world sucks. 1:38:15.280 --> 1:38:17.080 There's no there's nothing good happening. 1:38:17.280 --> 1:38:22.000 Right and them you consider to be fed that negative energy. 1:38:22.560 --> 1:38:26.000 I'm going to say, and here's the thing. Is it 1:38:26.160 --> 1:38:28.639 harder to buy a home than when we bought our 1:38:28.680 --> 1:38:29.320 first home? 1:38:29.960 --> 1:38:31.320 Yes, I believe it is. 1:38:31.920 --> 1:38:35.000 Because sure, But at the same time, there are a 1:38:35.040 --> 1:38:38.559 lot of things that young people can do to if 1:38:38.600 --> 1:38:40.639 that's something that they want to do. If you want 1:38:40.680 --> 1:38:43.679 to buy a home, you need to do some planning, 1:38:44.000 --> 1:38:46.760 and you need to do some saving. And if you 1:38:46.960 --> 1:38:48.760 want to rent the rest of your life and you 1:38:48.800 --> 1:38:52.719 don't want the responsibility of buying a home, that's something 1:38:52.760 --> 1:38:58.720 you can absolutely do. But you will never build wealth, right, 1:38:59.360 --> 1:39:01.360 or at least it will be more difficult, let's put 1:39:01.400 --> 1:39:02.920 it that way. 1:39:03.080 --> 1:39:05.040 I mean you can, but plenty of people do that 1:39:05.080 --> 1:39:06.320 in rent. 1:39:06.560 --> 1:39:06.760 Yeah. 1:39:06.920 --> 1:39:08.600 One of the things you hear, and I hear this 1:39:08.640 --> 1:39:10.320 from older people too, is well, why don't you just 1:39:10.760 --> 1:39:12.280 they just need to work harder, They. 1:39:12.200 --> 1:39:14.000 Just need to save, they need to think. 1:39:14.080 --> 1:39:16.719 Well, you know that that because when I was your age, 1:39:16.760 --> 1:39:18.640 I well, when I was your age, it was like, 1:39:18.680 --> 1:39:20.679 you know, you could have a job. And I pointed 1:39:20.680 --> 1:39:22.439 this out the other day with college, you know, and 1:39:22.520 --> 1:39:26.000 we subsidized college. And as an example, like generations ago, 1:39:26.040 --> 1:39:29.320 will he talks about this like he went to college, 1:39:29.360 --> 1:39:31.880 paid for it himself. There was no scholarships or anything 1:39:31.960 --> 1:39:35.360 like that, right, owned a house, had a job, had 1:39:35.360 --> 1:39:37.640 a family, traveled, you know, did all this stuff and 1:39:38.000 --> 1:39:42.000 did it on a part time salary. Basically, that's laughable 1:39:42.000 --> 1:39:43.680 by today's standards. No one can do that. 1:39:44.240 --> 1:39:45.639 No, not not, I don't. 1:39:45.760 --> 1:39:47.800 We would go to college, work part time and have 1:39:47.880 --> 1:39:49.240 a house. How is that possible? 1:39:49.320 --> 1:39:52.320 Yeah, that's it's extremely difficult because actually, and you talked 1:39:52.360 --> 1:39:55.800 about it, most cars, the payment on a car, and 1:39:55.880 --> 1:39:59.080 it's like a mortgage, is like a mortgage. And so 1:39:59.200 --> 1:40:04.559 the average cost of a home in Cincinnati is between 1:40:05.000 --> 1:40:09.600 right around three hundred thousand dollars, And it used to 1:40:09.640 --> 1:40:12.679 be you could buy your starter home at one hundred 1:40:12.720 --> 1:40:16.439 thousand dollars or less, right, And you know, you're not 1:40:16.600 --> 1:40:19.080 seeing that anymore now. Of course, it's just the cost 1:40:19.120 --> 1:40:21.960 of living is so much different now than it was. 1:40:22.760 --> 1:40:25.160 But if you look at what people. 1:40:24.840 --> 1:40:30.959 Are being paid, it's not always it doesn't matter for decades. 1:40:30.960 --> 1:40:33.759 Now, Well, what's happened. 1:40:33.760 --> 1:40:37.040 There's been a disconnect between wages and the GDP like 1:40:37.080 --> 1:40:40.360 it used to prior to nineteen eighty right about there, 1:40:40.439 --> 1:40:42.600 it used to say, you know, once GDP went up, 1:40:42.640 --> 1:40:45.040 once your company's making more money, employees make more money, 1:40:45.080 --> 1:40:47.400 and it lifts all boats. And we kind of went 1:40:47.400 --> 1:40:49.400 in the other direction there, and now this is decades 1:40:49.439 --> 1:40:51.160 of that. So if you don't have enough money to 1:40:51.160 --> 1:40:53.840 buy what you're making it work or service you're giving 1:40:53.840 --> 1:40:56.759 it work, then that's what's going to happen in the economy. 1:40:56.760 --> 1:40:58.400 Most of it's a consumer economy here. I mean, we're 1:40:58.400 --> 1:41:01.559 still doing fairly well by world standards, but for younger 1:41:01.600 --> 1:41:03.479 people they feel left out. And it's a whole bunch 1:41:03.479 --> 1:41:04.080 of reasons. 1:41:03.880 --> 1:41:05.639 Why it is. But you here's the thing. 1:41:05.920 --> 1:41:09.360 If you want to buy a home, you can, and 1:41:09.439 --> 1:41:12.320 so it's going to take the planning of saving because 1:41:12.320 --> 1:41:15.120 you need a down payment. It's going to take making 1:41:15.160 --> 1:41:19.599 sure that your credit is not in the crapper right, 1:41:19.960 --> 1:41:21.720 you know, talk to. 1:41:21.720 --> 1:41:23.719 Someone another failure of the education system. 1:41:23.920 --> 1:41:28.360 Well and credit people look at the credit and we 1:41:28.479 --> 1:41:32.599 know people very close to us who have maxed out 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:35.639 all those credit cards and then only make the minimum payment. 1:41:35.720 --> 1:41:37.080 You'll never ever. 1:41:36.960 --> 1:41:39.439 Ever catch up and then complain about not getting head. 1:41:39.479 --> 1:41:41.839 It's like, well, you went on vacation, you couldn't afford 1:41:42.920 --> 1:41:45.479 you know, you're getting whatever you're spending your money on. 1:41:45.640 --> 1:41:48.080 Lifestyle is so it's like, well, I want to we 1:41:48.160 --> 1:41:49.960 want to live for now, and you know, you never know. 1:41:49.960 --> 1:41:50.360 It's try it. 1:41:50.400 --> 1:41:52.360 Tomorrow's not promise, but then it's a priority. It's like, 1:41:52.400 --> 1:41:54.240 if you want to live for now, then you're never 1:41:54.240 --> 1:41:55.679 going to be able to save enough to buy a house. 1:41:55.960 --> 1:41:58.720 So I think for many, many years we didn't have 1:41:58.800 --> 1:41:59.320 any fun. 1:42:00.040 --> 1:42:01.960 We did not have any fun. We still don't have 1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:02.599 that much fun. 1:42:02.680 --> 1:42:05.120 Well, I think we have some fun. 1:42:05.320 --> 1:42:08.800 It's fun, yeah, but I get it. I mean, there's 1:42:08.840 --> 1:42:10.599 people there's something to be said about living in the moment. 1:42:10.680 --> 1:42:12.920 We try to do that, but when you're coming up, 1:42:12.920 --> 1:42:13.639 it's awfully hard. 1:42:14.240 --> 1:42:17.599 It absolutely is. So you know, you can rent and 1:42:17.640 --> 1:42:21.799 you can find ways. It may just it may be different. 1:42:22.000 --> 1:42:25.960 The way things are done today is different than the 1:42:26.000 --> 1:42:28.559 way we did it, as it will be tomorrow and 1:42:28.600 --> 1:42:31.000 it will and that's just part of life and you 1:42:31.080 --> 1:42:33.920 have to figure it out. So if you want to 1:42:33.960 --> 1:42:36.719 buy a home, you're going to have to start planning 1:42:36.720 --> 1:42:39.599 and it could take a year, it could take two years. 1:42:39.840 --> 1:42:40.519 Here's one thing. 1:42:40.680 --> 1:42:44.000 The statistic is just in the last seven days in Cincinnati, 1:42:44.720 --> 1:42:49.080 over five hundred homes had a price reduction. Okay, what 1:42:49.120 --> 1:42:52.760 does that tell you? What it tells me is there 1:42:52.800 --> 1:42:56.200 are opportunities out there because homes are sitting on the 1:42:56.240 --> 1:43:00.759 market longer and sellers are starting to get little nervous. 1:43:00.800 --> 1:43:05.040 We're going into those colder months. And if your home 1:43:05.120 --> 1:43:08.880 is sitting on the market, you have two choices. You 1:43:08.920 --> 1:43:13.040 can Number one, lower the price. Number two, you can 1:43:13.120 --> 1:43:15.880 just sit on it. And the longer that it sits, 1:43:16.880 --> 1:43:19.640 the longer that it will sit. You know, if you 1:43:19.760 --> 1:43:23.639 do nothing, likely nothing is going to happen. You can 1:43:23.680 --> 1:43:29.040 do updates and relist the property and try to, you know, 1:43:29.760 --> 1:43:34.799 improve the property. But it's always about condition, location, and price. 1:43:35.360 --> 1:43:38.120 A home will sell. We know that from twenty years 1:43:38.120 --> 1:43:41.320 ago when we had the Great Recession, when homes were 1:43:41.360 --> 1:43:45.080 on the market for a year or more, they eventually sold. 1:43:45.760 --> 1:43:48.839 Now did they get the prices that the sellers wanted? 1:43:49.160 --> 1:43:49.719 Not always. 1:43:49.880 --> 1:43:52.320 It's not work. No, you don't get to set them. 1:43:52.400 --> 1:43:54.240 The market sets the rate for night. 1:43:54.479 --> 1:43:58.719 So a home is you can price it as high 1:43:58.920 --> 1:44:03.200 as your names sold two years ago. But two years 1:44:03.240 --> 1:44:05.559 ago we were kind of at the height of the market. 1:44:06.000 --> 1:44:07.920 We aren't there anymore. 1:44:07.479 --> 1:44:09.840 So we are you saying houses are decreasing in value? 1:44:09.880 --> 1:44:10.719 Is that what you just said? 1:44:10.840 --> 1:44:16.000 I am saying we are definitely seeing a more stable 1:44:16.560 --> 1:44:17.680 type of a situation. 1:44:18.040 --> 1:44:21.040 So by now this is a money loser, is what I. 1:44:21.000 --> 1:44:24.800 Cannot say that. I did not say that. No, here's 1:44:24.800 --> 1:44:25.080 the thing. 1:44:25.160 --> 1:44:28.519 You're not going to be You're as not reasonable to 1:44:28.560 --> 1:44:32.120 think you're gonna make ten percent on your home every year, 1:44:32.280 --> 1:44:33.120 year after year. 1:44:33.240 --> 1:44:34.880 You don't do that. The markets you're not gonna tell. 1:44:34.800 --> 1:44:37.479 You you're not going to So right now we're more stable. 1:44:37.520 --> 1:44:40.960 You may only see a one percent increase. You may 1:44:41.000 --> 1:44:45.280 not see the giant, ginormous increase in your in the 1:44:45.360 --> 1:44:46.280 value of your. 1:44:46.120 --> 1:44:46.680 Home, all right. 1:44:46.680 --> 1:44:48.480 Bottom line, bottom. 1:44:48.120 --> 1:44:50.280 Line is if you want to buy a home, you 1:44:50.360 --> 1:44:53.200 can don't believe all the hype in it and all 1:44:53.240 --> 1:44:59.760 of the headlines because yeah, headlines are just headlines. They're 1:44:59.760 --> 1:45:02.920 there to scare you, right, and don't be scared clickbait, 1:45:03.000 --> 1:45:04.479 that's right, Watch out for the clickbait. 1:45:04.520 --> 1:45:04.880 That's right. 1:45:04.960 --> 1:45:06.400 You want to know that you spend a lot of 1:45:06.439 --> 1:45:08.760 time in the evening hours when you're not working. You 1:45:08.760 --> 1:45:11.160 work awfully hard, but at home you're clickbait. 1:45:11.200 --> 1:45:14.639 And everything I do tend to look at a headline 1:45:14.680 --> 1:45:17.760 and then oh, never mind, not true. 1:45:19.560 --> 1:45:22.320 Travis Kelsey's coming to the Bengals. No he's not, Michelle, 1:45:22.600 --> 1:45:24.040 you said he's coming to Cincinnati. 1:45:24.280 --> 1:45:26.759 It's coming for the game. That's not what this says. 1:45:26.960 --> 1:45:27.719 Oh yeah it does. 1:45:28.000 --> 1:45:28.760 Oh yeah, it does. 1:45:28.840 --> 1:45:29.360 Swipe. 1:45:29.560 --> 1:45:31.200 So you have to read the fine print. 1:45:31.520 --> 1:45:32.280 In the fine print. 1:45:32.320 --> 1:45:36.040 And if you have a question, call me. Michelle Sloan's 1:45:36.080 --> 1:45:37.240 loans hell sloms dot com. 1:45:38.320 --> 1:45:39.960 Do you like that, Yeah, it's really good. Just talk 1:45:40.040 --> 1:45:43.599 to her. Yeah, just call her to say hot, you 1:45:43.640 --> 1:45:45.759 can't yet a little bit, Yeah she does. She's chatty. 1:45:45.960 --> 1:45:46.920 She's chatty that way. 1:45:47.280 --> 1:45:47.400 Uh. 1:45:47.479 --> 1:45:50.400 My wife, Michelle actually talked all about real estate today. Nothing. Uh. 1:45:50.880 --> 1:45:52.800 And then you're still driving me around for another week. 1:45:52.880 --> 1:45:56.920 So yeah, I'm still driving mister Daisy. It's it's getting 1:45:56.920 --> 1:45:58.720 he's kind of getting old, I'll be honest with you. 1:45:58.840 --> 1:46:00.320 Yeah, because you got to get up. You used to 1:46:00.320 --> 1:46:00.720 sleep in. 1:46:02.400 --> 1:46:05.720 It's a kindergarten situation. Remember when the kids were in 1:46:05.800 --> 1:46:09.599 kindergarten and they were only in school for a short time, 1:46:09.600 --> 1:46:11.680 and then it's like you just get started on a 1:46:11.680 --> 1:46:14.320 broad turn back, turn around and go pick them up again. 1:46:14.520 --> 1:46:15.520 It is like kindergarten. 1:46:15.640 --> 1:46:17.640 It's like for you, it's kindergarten. I have to get 1:46:17.720 --> 1:46:19.880 up earlier than I liked to you and then I 1:46:19.920 --> 1:46:21.840 have to turn around and get you up, get you, 1:46:22.479 --> 1:46:23.960 pick you up around noon. 1:46:24.040 --> 1:46:26.720 And funny part the first day she did that here, 1:46:26.760 --> 1:46:29.160 she actually took a sign instead where I was supposed 1:46:29.200 --> 1:46:32.840 to go and pinned it to my shirt. All right, 1:46:32.880 --> 1:46:35.240 my wife Michelle Sloan Slow Sloan sells homes dot com 1:46:35.280 --> 1:46:37.920 open house show that's on the iHeartRadio app where you 1:46:37.920 --> 1:46:41.320 get your podcast also YouTube as well. In Mainville, Remax time, 1:46:41.360 --> 1:46:43.960 gotta go, love you, thanks again, and uh, all right, 1:46:44.000 --> 1:46:45.439 you go warm the car up for a couple of 1:46:45.439 --> 1:46:46.920 mon's kind of cool out this money. You go, warm 1:46:46.960 --> 1:46:50.240 the car up, go downstairs, pull it around. 1:46:50.320 --> 1:46:52.160 I'll warm it up. Warm her. 1:46:52.400 --> 1:46:56.040 I'll tell you what. Maybe I'm gonna milk you like this. 1:46:56.120 --> 1:46:58.120 I'm gonna milk this leg thing for a long time. 1:46:58.680 --> 1:47:02.120 Curb service. This is nice. This is nice anyway? 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