Speaker 1: I want to be an American idiot.
Speaker 2: There we go slowly back on seven hundred wlw wood
Speaker 2: a day with a day with a day, always be
Speaker 2: scared when a politician goes it's about the children.
Speaker 3: It's about the children, remember, And it happens all the
Speaker 3: time when people on when progressives talk about doing things
Speaker 3: and protecting and saving the children, and tongue in cheek,
Speaker 3: conservatives laugh at them and go, my god, there's exploiting
Speaker 3: the kids. What happens when it's the other way. I
Speaker 3: wonder if democrats and progressives are chuckling when Republicans do
Speaker 3: it and conservatives do it, because that's what's happening now.
Speaker 4: It's about the children. Got to save the children.
Speaker 3: Governor Mike Dwine and his jihad against anything pleasurable like
Speaker 3: Hemp or Potts on full display this morning, as the
Speaker 3: governor has issued a ninety day ban on THC infused
Speaker 3: gummies and beverages sold outside of licensed marijuana dispensaries. So
Speaker 3: if you're a retailer, you got to pull all these products,
Speaker 3: all sales, all the displays after there can be no
Speaker 3: sight of anything CBD related after October fourteenth. Got to
Speaker 3: be gone by October fourteenth, midnight twelve o one am,
Speaker 3: October fourteenth. Otherwise, well, you're gonna get You're gonna get
Speaker 3: a good talking to is what's going to happen there.
Speaker 3: So what does it mean for small businesses in Ohio?
Speaker 3: What does that mean for you as an adult and
Speaker 3: choosing what goes into your body. You're still going to
Speaker 3: be able to get CBD seltzer at a bar, which
Speaker 3: is extremely popular. A lot of questions. I don't know
Speaker 3: how many answers they have, but maybe got caught up.
Speaker 3: And this is Jason Friedman. Jason runs Ohio CBD Guys
Speaker 3: stores in the East Walnut Hills and Montgomery and Jose
Speaker 3: the show. Now, Jason, how are you man?
Speaker 5: Doing great?
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me on, Scott.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate you losing money and doing your part,
Speaker 3: and maybe your business goes away to save the children.
Speaker 3: It's the least you could do if you cared about children.
Speaker 3: Damn it, Jason, you wouldn't sell these products to adults.
Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, it's been quite a forty eight hour
Speaker 6: Scott feeling frustrated but actually cautiously optimistic. Here, okay, this
Speaker 6: is the first step in cannabis reform here locally to
Speaker 6: legalize this stuff, I believe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we'll start with this, okay. And I understand
Speaker 3: I'm kind of tongue in cheek about this because it's
Speaker 3: concerning if if you know, they do an undercover operation
Speaker 3: and a nefarious retail er could be like it's a
Speaker 3: carryout or something like that, and they go in and
Speaker 3: they buy a product that that feels like, taste like,
Speaker 3: and has the same effects as marijuana, which is controlled
Speaker 3: in Ohio. That that's a problem. That means, you know,
Speaker 3: there can sell it to people underage, which is not
Speaker 3: a good thing at all. And some of these products
Speaker 3: mimic candy packaging. The one that the wine was holding
Speaker 3: up with Sour Patch Kids looks just like Sour Patch Kids,
Speaker 3: you know, stuff like that, like packaging, and you know,
Speaker 3: and the fact that somebody to carry out would sell
Speaker 3: this to a teenager or a twelve year old that
Speaker 3: bothers me. That should not be happening. But it doesn't
Speaker 3: mean you should ban it, but we need to control that, agreed.
Speaker 7: I agree.
Speaker 6: And while I the governor's focus on regulating these intoxicating
Speaker 6: hemp prockets and keeping them away from and not marketed
Speaker 6: to children, which we are aligned on. I disagree with
Speaker 6: the methodology to which he's using to achieve his goal,
Speaker 6: which is disastrous to small businesses like mine.
Speaker 3: It really doesn't make a lot of sense because they
Speaker 3: had a chance, and he's been pushing the legislature to
Speaker 3: do something. Legislatures and done anything, and so now the
Speaker 3: edict as well, we're going to ban it for everybody.
Speaker 4: That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: If the legislature can't legislate, that's on those who we
Speaker 3: send a columbus to do our bidding for us.
Speaker 4: That's something you all got to figure out.
Speaker 3: But issuing a ninety day ban and all this stuff,
Speaker 3: which is largely almost all exclusively consumed by adults, is nonsensical.
Speaker 6: Correct, And my understanding is that he took this action
Speaker 6: to motivate the legislators to pass this. But I asked,
Speaker 6: is there another way that we could have gone about
Speaker 6: doing this other than a way that's going to damage
Speaker 6: small businesses? Called can cause lots of confusion. There's still
Speaker 6: clarification that's needed on what the definition of intoxicating HEMP
Speaker 6: means in this order? Are we talking about anything with THHC,
Speaker 6: including CBD tinctures that might have a little bit not
Speaker 6: going to get you high, but it's got THHC in it,
Speaker 6: or are we talking about a specific milligram dosage. There's
Speaker 6: still a lot of things that need to be cleared
Speaker 6: up before October fourteenth, Scott.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's a short time. But the problem
Speaker 3: is is that retail is like yourself, right, And what
Speaker 3: happened to conservatives being about the small business guy in
Speaker 3: business and let business do what they do. I don't
Speaker 3: know a lot of people like yourself have tons of stuff.
Speaker 3: You have storefronts, but we have manufacturers and retailers that
Speaker 3: make their living and make money off of this product.
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, now when the blank of eye,
Speaker 3: the governor of Waves's magic wand and says now it's
Speaker 3: going to be illegal at midnight. That doesn't look like democracy.
Speaker 3: That doesn't look like small governed government conservatism to me,
Speaker 3: especially because it's politically motivated.
Speaker 6: I agree one hundred percent. And I also think the
Speaker 6: government needs to understand that while there are bad actors
Speaker 6: out there in these gas stations and smoke shops, there
Speaker 6: are a large number of responsible business owners like myself
Speaker 6: that check IDs don't sell products that have any kid
Speaker 6: focused marketing. Only sell products that are third party lab
Speaker 6: tested and have those tests available to the customer via
Speaker 6: QR code on the packaging. We've been operating responsibly and
Speaker 6: legally since twenty eighteen, but to threaten our livelihood by implementing.
Speaker 5: This order is just flat out wrong.
Speaker 6: The legislators need to get working and passed the regulation
Speaker 6: that doesn't lead to people losing their jobs.
Speaker 4: And that's what this says. This is a squeeze on
Speaker 4: small business.
Speaker 3: And I'll get into that a little bit more in
Speaker 3: the show again in case you're just hearing this for
Speaker 3: the first time. It's been a big news story for
Speaker 3: the last twelve few hours and with the governor has
Speaker 3: issued an edict ninety day ban on THCHU infused gummies,
Speaker 3: beverages and products sold out of licensed marijuana dispensaries. And
Speaker 3: of course you drive all over the place, you see
Speaker 3: places like where you are, Jason, you own Ohio CBD
Speaker 3: Guy with your two locations. But there's countless mom and
Speaker 3: pop businesses like this and also many many more that
Speaker 3: manufacturers supply not just this, but also THCCBD infused drinks
Speaker 3: like beers and in particularly selters. My wife's a big
Speaker 3: fan of the seltzer. She goes you know, it's pretty good,
Speaker 3: just hits different. It's a different kind of feeling when
Speaker 3: you drink a couple of these. We're talking about a
Speaker 3: huge by the way, and this is not in your sector.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you sell them these products. But
Speaker 3: fifty West, for example, they're a huge seller of THHD
Speaker 3: infused drinks right here, and it's the Cincinnati company and
Speaker 3: they saw a huge decline in the number. And maybe
Speaker 3: we're past craft beer right now. I don't know, but
Speaker 3: the beer sales are going down. Sales of this are
Speaker 3: offsetting that. If this goes away in ninety days, that's
Speaker 3: going to be catastrophic for a lot of these small breweries,
Speaker 3: isn't it.
Speaker 6: Well, you literally took the words out of the mouth.
Speaker 6: I was just about to say that alcohol sales are
Speaker 6: at their lowest point since nineteen thirty nine. People want
Speaker 6: to go out, they want to get a buzz, they
Speaker 6: don't want to feel like crap the next day. So
Speaker 6: that's one of the reasons you're seeing these THHC seltzers growing.
Speaker 6: We absolutely sell the sunflower product by fifty West in
Speaker 6: our store, as well as the stock either another local
Speaker 6: THC Seltzer. It's probably the fastest part of our business.
Speaker 6: And a question was asked during the press conference yesterday,
Speaker 6: is that what about bottle shops, liquor stores, bars that
Speaker 6: people can't go in unless they're twenty one?
Speaker 8: Yep?
Speaker 6: Legally do they have to stop selling these products too?
Speaker 6: So again, there's a lot that needs to be cleared
Speaker 6: up before this band takes effect on October fourteen.
Speaker 3: Do you see like a lawsuit and an injunction coming
Speaker 3: down to courts can hold us up?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think there are questions as to the legality
Speaker 6: of this emergency order, and I know of multiple efforts
Speaker 6: potentially emerging to fight it in courts starting today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe for those listening going listen, I don't
Speaker 3: drink CBD TA, I don't know what that is. TA,
Speaker 3: I don't know Delta eight and Delta ten and Delta nine,
Speaker 3: I don't know what all that stuff means. And all
Speaker 3: I know is it can kill children. Let's start with
Speaker 3: that one, because it's about the children, right. The wine
Speaker 3: set in toxicity happens dangerous and we need to do
Speaker 3: better to protect our children. And there's no question that
Speaker 3: children are getting a hold of the stuff largely because
Speaker 3: an adult buys it and it's a bag of you know,
Speaker 3: things that look like sour patch kids or nerds, and
Speaker 3: they take one and now they're high. But we saw
Speaker 3: increase eight hundred kids twelve and younger, according to the state,
Speaker 3: were exposed to cannabi exposed to cannabis in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that was you know, poison Control Center's
Speaker 3: always have fifty percent increase from the year prior.
Speaker 4: But what does that mean?
Speaker 3: How many kids have died, how many kids have been
Speaker 3: damage beyond repair, become wards of the state. Whatever it
Speaker 3: might be, taking too much THC or taking too much
Speaker 3: CBD or cannabis or cannabinoid or adulta eight delta ten,
Speaker 3: What does that do to one?
Speaker 4: Do you die from that?
Speaker 6: So it as far as THHC goes, there's a reason
Speaker 6: why you have to be twenty one to take it
Speaker 6: in a dispensary in my store. It's just not good
Speaker 6: kids or their brains are still developing. It's not a
Speaker 6: good thing for them. Can it cause depth? I think
Speaker 6: you'll see varying studies out there that show mostly that
Speaker 6: it's not harmful. Now, if you take too much a THC,
Speaker 6: whether you're an adult or a child, yes, you can
Speaker 6: absolutely have adverse reactions triggered by the THC. But again,
Speaker 6: this is why you need to be a responsible adult.
Speaker 6: And as far as the kids getting their hands on it, look,
Speaker 6: I don't think there's outside of isolated incidents that a
Speaker 6: gas a five year old or a ten year old
Speaker 6: is going to walk into a gas station and someone's
Speaker 6: going to sell them these products. I think what's happening is, unfortunately,
Speaker 6: if irresponsible parents are letting their.
Speaker 7: Kids get a hold of these products.
Speaker 9: So again, why are responsible businesses like mine being penalized
Speaker 9: for bad actors in gas stations, smoke shops, vape shops,
Speaker 9: but irresponsible parents.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine the outrage the same group of people
Speaker 3: were talking about if someone said, hey, you know, too
Speaker 3: many kids are getting shot in Cincinnati. There are too
Speaker 3: many accidental gun discharges. We have to have a trigger lock.
Speaker 3: People aren't doing that. We've got guns and cars. Young
Speaker 3: people are getting hold of the gun, shooting each other.
Speaker 3: We have to ban weapons. Could you imagine the outrage
Speaker 3: from the same conservatives. It's don't see the hypocrisy with
Speaker 3: the same argument.
Speaker 6: There is a way to achieve this responsibly, Scott, and
Speaker 6: this is not the way to go about doing it.
Speaker 6: And I'm hopeful that this there will be a resolution
Speaker 6: before the fourteenth, and certainly before the ninety day ban
Speaker 6: is over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe this is a way for de Wind to scare
Speaker 3: the legislature into getting something done, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: They've dragged their feet this long. And you know we've
Speaker 3: seen this act before. Jason Friedman by the way, Ohio
Speaker 3: CVD guy in the show with the Wines, ninety day
Speaker 3: THHD and fused Gummy Beverage CBD, ban on all this stuff.
Speaker 3: And you know you can't get a celter anymore or
Speaker 3: vape simply because well now we're going to ban it
Speaker 3: because a kid make it a hold of it.
Speaker 4: And I you know, I don't want to make light.
Speaker 3: Let me circle back and say, you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying we shouldn't prevent kids from getting stuff because it's
Speaker 3: not fatal. No one wants to see a kid, either
Speaker 3: voluntarily or involuntary, in just something they think is candy
Speaker 3: or vapor or drink or something. No, we don't do that,
Speaker 3: but we do have dangerous stuff around. As my point,
Speaker 3: we have I mentioned guns, but we also have alcohol
Speaker 3: in a host of other things. Adults engage in that
Speaker 3: kids aren't supposed to. We have reasonable regulations that prevent
Speaker 3: that from happening. We just need that here, this seems
Speaker 3: totally irrational. Is to ban it. We need to ban
Speaker 3: it so we can regulate it. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: It's like we need to pass the bills so we
Speaker 3: can see what's in it. It's the same argument that
Speaker 3: they made fun of and made a lot of political
Speaker 3: hay out of.
Speaker 4: They're now doing themselves.
Speaker 3: If that's the hypocrisy of politics in ninety days, what
Speaker 3: do you see happening?
Speaker 6: Well, again, I hope this is sorted out well before
Speaker 6: the ninety days, But I, like you said, I do
Speaker 6: believe that the governor is trying to push the legislators
Speaker 6: to get something done. Really, I would point to what
Speaker 6: happened in Texas recently if you've been following that at all.
Speaker 6: In last month, the lieutenant governor there proposed legislation that
Speaker 6: would ban all him. The governor vetoed to build multiple times,
Speaker 6: and then Key implemented an emergency order to regulate him,
Speaker 6: so did the exact opposite. You can use your power
Speaker 6: in different ways. I just wish the governor would use
Speaker 6: it to actually affect positive change as far as opposed
Speaker 6: to damaging.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean, quite honestly, this is because of
Speaker 3: the ineptitude of the legislature. We've seen this before with Marijuanas.
Speaker 3: They dragged their feet, dragged their feet, dragged their feet,
Speaker 3: and finally the people had enough of it. It went
Speaker 3: to the ballot in the uh you know, citizen initiative.
Speaker 3: They screamed it was outside money. Trying to tell all
Speaker 3: those you had a chance to do. You saw the
Speaker 3: tea leage, You saw the the demand for recreational weed
Speaker 3: MA and medical weed to begin with, and then recreational
Speaker 3: you saw that and still chose to choose to do
Speaker 3: nothing about it. And then when there's a grassroots effort
Speaker 3: you try to stop it and subvert it. That I
Speaker 3: think for those of us who enjoy THHC and CBD
Speaker 3: products as I do, as you make a living off
Speaker 3: of Jason f he'd been I found that egregious.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And I think the other thing to consider you mentioned
Speaker 6: politically driven is that I think that there were certain
Speaker 6: contingencies that were not happy that marijuana passed here in
Speaker 6: Ohio and wanted to make some changes to those laws
Speaker 6: and tried to use that to negotiate regarding the hemp.
Speaker 6: And they're so they're kind of lumped together as far
Speaker 6: as the negotiations between the House and the Senate goes,
Speaker 6: and they can't agree on it. And guess who's suffering?
Speaker 3: We are, Yeah, the consumers, but especially small business people
Speaker 3: like yourself. So after ninety days, lawmakers have to take
Speaker 3: action to regulate the intoxicating hemp products. Most people agree
Speaker 3: that if we have intoxicating products available to children, then
Speaker 3: we should just simply step up and address that issue
Speaker 3: without having to shut everything down. And he did this
Speaker 3: back I think well over a year ago. Is he
Speaker 3: wanted to close these loopholes, and they wouldn't listen to him.
Speaker 3: And now he's going to simply take it away from everybody,
Speaker 3: take the ball away because the kids can't get along
Speaker 3: and now no one can play, which is, you know,
Speaker 3: paternalism at best. And I you know part of this,
Speaker 3: and I mentioned I said in asterisk in the air
Speaker 3: quotes there I said, the governor has issued this ninety
Speaker 3: day ban on THHD infused gummies and beverages that are
Speaker 3: sold outside licensed to marijuana dispensaries. Is this just another
Speaker 3: money grab by the legislature and that like whoa, wha,
Speaker 3: wha wait a minute away. We look at the tax
Speaker 3: that we pay on medical marijuana, the fact that people
Speaker 3: are medical marijuana. The only ones that are getting the
Speaker 3: medical card now are ones that have a stigma about
Speaker 3: using it recreationally. We see the exorbitant prices we pay
Speaker 3: in Ohio compared to surrounding states like Michigan, where it's
Speaker 3: a fraction of what you'd pay for recreational products. And
Speaker 3: now do they want to do the same thing with THHD.
Speaker 3: It's simply they're not getting the if they can control it,
Speaker 3: and you know, certainly regulations different than control if they
Speaker 3: can control it, because you can still buy it, but
Speaker 3: it's got to be a licensed to marijuana dispensary. That
Speaker 3: means it's subject to that that that sweet tax that
Speaker 3: they want. Is this all about them getting the getting
Speaker 3: their hands to getting a bigger share of what it
Speaker 3: is you sell?
Speaker 6: Well, I don't think it's any secret Scott that big
Speaker 6: marijuana is out there. They are lobbying to destroy the
Speaker 6: hemp industry period. They don't want us to be competition
Speaker 6: for them, and so again I would point to Texas
Speaker 6: and say, look, there's an opportunity for all of us
Speaker 6: in this free market to be able to one give
Speaker 6: an opportunity for these these consumers and sometimes patients that
Speaker 6: need these products for their daily life. We will pay
Speaker 6: a vendor fee, Scott, we will pay We will pay
Speaker 6: additional taxes, even though I don't want that for my consumers.
Speaker 6: But if it means staying in business, there's plenty to
Speaker 6: go around. So yeah, I do. I do believe that
Speaker 6: it's part of it. Maybe it's part of the reason
Speaker 6: why we haven't gotten the regulation we need yet. But
Speaker 6: that's what I said. I'm cautiously optimistic that this will
Speaker 6: at least trigger change. But what you know, unfortunately, the
Speaker 6: people that need these products for their daily life, they're
Speaker 6: the ones that are suffering, obviously in addition to the
Speaker 6: small businesses, because now they're not going to be able
Speaker 6: to get their products for ninety days. They're going to
Speaker 6: be forced to go to a marijuana dispensary. Which marijuana
Speaker 6: dispensaries are good things, but let's face it, it costs
Speaker 6: a lot more. You're waiting in longer lines, the higher taxes, yep,
Speaker 6: maybe less selection of products. You can't get the drinks.
Speaker 6: So anyway, it's frustrating.
Speaker 3: But hoping for change soon, right right, So again, if
Speaker 3: you just tax the I don't know, the seltzer, the
Speaker 3: THCHD lace tough selzer, CBD seltzer at the same right,
Speaker 3: we're doing marijuana, then they're happy with it.
Speaker 4: It doesn't really how does that protect children?
Speaker 8: That doesn't It doesn't.
Speaker 6: But you know, it's something that everyone's going to listen
Speaker 6: to because obviously we all want want what's best for
Speaker 6: the children. But we also need to look at the
Speaker 6: situation logically and realize that this is just a This
Speaker 6: is some bad actors that are selling products they shouldn't
Speaker 6: to people that they shouldn't.
Speaker 3: But legislate there, go go after them, make examples of them,
Speaker 3: shut them down, take away their liquor license, do all
Speaker 3: that's our hurt them. But punishing the manufacturers, I mean,
Speaker 3: what does fifty West have to do with this? What
Speaker 3: does Jason Friedman at Ohio CBD guy have to do?
Speaker 4: Nothing?
Speaker 3: You're caught up in a political power plays with this
Speaker 3: and it's it's criminals. What it is, we'll follow, We'll
Speaker 3: find out what happens. Jason Friedman, all the best, buddy,
Speaker 3: thanks again for coming on the show.
Speaker 5: Hey, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4: Scott, take care.
Speaker 3: We'll get a time out in. It's about the children.
Speaker 3: It's about there. We always laugh when Tracy Hunter said that,
Speaker 3: you know, it's all the children. Oh my god, stop
Speaker 3: with the historyonics and II the governor, it's about their children.
Speaker 3: Just wonder if people who I you know, it's a
Speaker 3: dumb question, because if you are absolutely one hundred percent
Speaker 3: conservative and no that it's the only way. There's only
Speaker 3: one religion. This is that right, you don't see the
Speaker 3: apocrisy and the problem with us. And this is why
Speaker 3: you know we are we are right now as a country.
Speaker 3: I voted conservative. My whole life are Republican anyway, unless
Speaker 3: there's like a good libertarian out there. I just want
Speaker 3: some sense of balance. I want government the hell out
Speaker 3: of the way and let the rest of us make money.
Speaker 3: We talked about with healthcare and college everything else that
Speaker 3: similarly gets gets cocked up in this country right now,
Speaker 3: we're doing it now in Ohio.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And it's at the behest of the Republican legislature. And again,
Speaker 3: because we tend to vote that way, we look at
Speaker 3: it and go, ah, it's okay right now, It's not okay.
Speaker 3: This is nothing but a cash grab, is what it is. Listen,
Speaker 3: we don't like the fact that fifty West Roomever or
Speaker 3: some sort of vape manufacture putting this product out there that, yes,
Speaker 3: kids can get ahold of. But that's true with a
Speaker 3: lot of things adults do, whether it's alcohol or content
Speaker 3: whatever it might be porn.
Speaker 4: Right, you can at roadblocks.
Speaker 3: If you put things up to make sure the kids
Speaker 3: don't have access to those things, you're not going to
Speaker 3: get all of it, and you should punish the bad
Speaker 3: actors out there that are allowing underage purses or consumption
Speaker 3: or whatever. It might be one hundred percent. But the
Speaker 3: idea that we're going to take it away because the
Speaker 3: legislature can't figure out what to do is a flip
Speaker 3: and joke. Sorry not sorry, slowly with your thoughts at
Speaker 3: five point three seven four nine, seven thousand, quick time
Speaker 3: out More to follow on seven hundred WWT.
Speaker 4: Here we go, slowly said.
Speaker 3: Out of WW beautiful back Half of the week in
Speaker 3: store Rain is ouch. Do you hear the old subcum
Speaker 3: kick and you know it's real, right? And now that's
Speaker 3: good little green grass for a while for the back
Speaker 3: half of whatever season. This might be always mother Nature,
Speaker 3: always messing with us. It's slowly back here on seven
Speaker 3: hundred WLW and talking about yesterday's emergency order by the governor.
Speaker 3: My god, we've got to do something about all of
Speaker 3: these kids who are getting their hands on intoxicating hemp,
Speaker 3: which there's probably a few of them doing that. According
Speaker 3: to the people who quep track of the stuff, namely
Speaker 3: the Ohio Poison Center, there's a fifty two percent increase
Speaker 3: year every year and the number of kids twelve and
Speaker 3: younger exposed to cannabis. And we have cannabis recreationally medically,
Speaker 3: and certainly you're gonna have kids getting their hands. Don't
Speaker 3: encourage that, try to discourage that. But do you need
Speaker 3: to simply take something away because a percentage of kids
Speaker 3: are getting I don't know, because they don't break it
Speaker 3: down out of the eight hundred kids eight hundred kids
Speaker 3: and younger exposed last year, I you know, I guess
Speaker 3: you can create an emergency and a crisis out of
Speaker 3: any number. But inside that number of course as well,
Speaker 3: how many of that exposure?
Speaker 4: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: I touched it and someone for parent freaked out, or
Speaker 3: a grandparent freaked out because they don't know what cannabis
Speaker 3: does or is, or they were exhibiting signs just being sleepy,
Speaker 3: or you know, a twelve year old thought it was
Speaker 3: a sour patch kid and popped a THG gummy and
Speaker 3: now I'm flipping out because I don't know what's going
Speaker 3: to happen. They're probably going to sleep for a while,
Speaker 3: be a little silly and sleep it all. Or my
Speaker 3: pet got it. I mean, you know, it could be
Speaker 3: a host of things. Did they get it from a
Speaker 3: medical supply because medical marijuana is legal recreationally. Don't know
Speaker 3: how much of this is what we're talking about here,
Speaker 3: but nonetheless, it is a an absolutely sweeping order from
Speaker 3: the governor ordering this ninety day ban on THHG infused coummies.
Speaker 3: You may go listen, Sloan. I don't care. I don't
Speaker 3: use that stuff. I don't really know anybody that does.
Speaker 3: You know, you made a big deal of the vaping.
Speaker 3: I don't vape, but you know, we we all do
Speaker 3: something that someone else does. I don't get it. I
Speaker 3: don't know. It's not for me. But you know that's today.
Speaker 3: Maybe tomorrow they come after something that's near and dear
Speaker 3: to you. And the point of the matter is, as
Speaker 3: we got in this, how we got to this point
Speaker 3: where you have allegedly a conservative government in Ohio, conservative
Speaker 3: run legislature doing things like banning a product that is
Speaker 3: manufactured and created in Ohioans for Ohioans. And now you're
Speaker 3: simply saying, because the legislature can't figure out a way
Speaker 3: to regulate the product, we're going to simply take it away.
Speaker 3: What about all these small businesses, What about the capital,
Speaker 3: what about the investors? What about the people who probably
Speaker 3: a lot of them voted and supported you, Mike de
Speaker 3: Wine and state legislature that are now getting the rug
Speaker 3: literally pulled out from under them. Because while you didn't
Speaker 3: regulate this, that your opportunity to do that. You could
Speaker 3: still turn around and pass regulation right now and figure
Speaker 3: out a way to make s to punish people who
Speaker 3: are allowing this stuff getting the hands of kids. Why
Speaker 3: don't you just do that? It's an easy fix. But
Speaker 3: of course it's not about that, is it. Because when
Speaker 3: the medical marijuana movement took root in Ohio, and it
Speaker 3: was pretty clear to the legislation liketed officials that Ohion's wanted.
Speaker 3: When we passed recreational weed. It passed like sixty percent
Speaker 3: of the vote. That's incredible in this time and ages
Speaker 3: where look how close presidential races are and council races.
Speaker 3: It's little. It's it's by the skin of your teeth
Speaker 3: you win an election. That was it was overwhelmingly passed
Speaker 3: by OI. Clearly, clearly it was a mandate to get
Speaker 3: out of the way and let us use weed because
Speaker 3: we saw what happened in other states, and we went, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not as bad as Mike DeWine made it out
Speaker 3: to me. I trade he traveled and memory traveled of
Speaker 3: Colorado when he saw the devastation there. And meanwhile, Colorado
Speaker 3: wins love the fact that they can get weed. It
Speaker 3: doesn't mean there's no problems, but they enjoy the freedom
Speaker 3: that they're allowed to do that as adults. Here, Well,
Speaker 3: we passed it, and now we've got to go back
Speaker 3: and the legislature had to go and screw things up.
Speaker 3: And the fact of the matter is the confiscatory tax
Speaker 3: that people pay on recreational marijuana drives people. If you're
Speaker 3: a border state, I know people from here that and
Speaker 3: I've gone when I've gone up that way, it's like,
Speaker 3: ol stop. You go to Michigan. In hell, it's almost
Speaker 3: like they're giving it away. Friends have come down from
Speaker 3: Michigan'll bring some stuff in fifty bucks. You're set for
Speaker 3: you know a year. That's not good for Ohio businesses.
Speaker 3: You know what happened to small market? What happened to
Speaker 3: the being a great competitor and getting government out of
Speaker 3: the wall that falls away when we lose our mind
Speaker 3: over saving the children. The minute any politicians screams out
Speaker 3: saving the children, you know, it's not about that. You know,
Speaker 3: it's about something else. And I'll point this out too. Okay,
Speaker 3: how did we get to this point now where we're
Speaker 3: you know, pulling seltzers and CBD and tintures and things
Speaker 3: that people might enjoy.
Speaker 4: Is not Number one?
Speaker 3: Is the fact is we've so highly regulated and I
Speaker 3: guess maybe not regulated as much as it is taxed
Speaker 3: recreational weed that people are going to a cheap alternative
Speaker 3: going well, you know you're naw me on a tax
Speaker 3: I can only go to a certain place at a
Speaker 3: certain time and talk to a certain guy. Get this,
Speaker 3: I can go to any bar in the area and
Speaker 3: get a THC infused seltzer. My wife really enjoys them.
Speaker 3: She says, Yeah, I don't feel the next day as
Speaker 3: bad as I do when I'm drinking alcohol.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And as beer sales decline and happened declining for a while,
Speaker 3: we're seeing a lot of people be to lean into
Speaker 3: THCH beverages. Well, guess what that'sply and demand. There's a
Speaker 3: market for it. And now what you're saying is a
Speaker 3: conservative market. Forces don't matter, the market doesn't dictate. That's
Speaker 3: socialism then, right, because I thought you're against that state controlled,
Speaker 3: state operated, state run Yeah, but this is different because
Speaker 3: it's why, well, the children ain't about the children, it's
Speaker 3: about the money. Now, they got to figure out a
Speaker 3: way to tax I don't know THC seltzer's at the
Speaker 3: same right that they do recreational weed. And next thing
Speaker 3: you know, people won't be buying those because it's going
Speaker 3: to cost you forty five dollars for a forty But again,
Speaker 3: I thought that this was the party of being responsible
Speaker 3: and getting the hell of the way. I guess not
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe I'm old school, maybe more libertarian
Speaker 3: than anything else. I look at this whole thing, and
Speaker 3: you know, I got a call it like I see it.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. You know, there's a lot of people are
Speaker 3: conservative that hate me because how dare I turn the
Speaker 3: mirror around on these people. Well, if you're professing to
Speaker 3: be the party of common sense, the party of individual responsibility,
Speaker 3: the party of our inalienable, God given rights is granted
Speaker 3: in the Constitution. The birth of our nation is inspired
Speaker 3: by the declaration that our individual god given to liberty
Speaker 3: should be preserved against the government and government intrusion. I
Speaker 3: don't know how that stands up against what we're talking
Speaker 3: about here, because it's the exact opposite. Can you pass
Speaker 3: legislation to protect bad actors? And that would be I know,
Speaker 3: some convenience store owners, I guess gas station owners people
Speaker 3: like that from just randomly because they see profit over
Speaker 3: everything else. They simply don't care, kind of like someone
Speaker 3: who's pushing drugs.
Speaker 4: They don't see the.
Speaker 3: Effects of you know, they're narcotic sale, they're opiate sales.
Speaker 3: There the sales of illicit street drugs that are killing
Speaker 3: people and getting people jam. They don't care. They care
Speaker 3: about the money. Those people need to be made examples
Speaker 3: up and segregated from missus Hidi. Whether it's a street
Speaker 3: pusher or some guy to carry out at a corner
Speaker 3: who's selling this stuff to twelve year olds, make a rule.
Speaker 4: Go after them, Go go after their liquor license, go
Speaker 4: after their life.
Speaker 3: Make an example of them to dissuade that kind of behavior,
Speaker 3: because that's what offset's greed. Regulation, but far beyond regulation,
Speaker 3: and I guess I should say rules more than regulation.
Speaker 3: This is simply extermination. And the overwhelming majority of people
Speaker 3: who enjoy these products are adults. Kids are getting their
Speaker 3: hands on it, but at a very very small number.
Speaker 3: And when you say it's about protecting the children, then
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Mike. That then means you have to go
Speaker 3: after guns. You have to go over alcohol, you have
Speaker 3: to go after cars, the things that kids can hurt
Speaker 3: and kill themselves with. We just had a shooting wear
Speaker 3: in Westchester of all Lakota for crying out loud, kids
Speaker 3: getting shot. It's in downtown Cincinnati. This isn't like the
Speaker 3: you know, this is an OTR. We're talking about the
Speaker 3: white ass Westchester and kids getting shot out there. I
Speaker 3: don't know what the story is with the gun, but
Speaker 3: you could make an example, I'd say, so, if it's
Speaker 3: about the children, then we've got to do something about
Speaker 3: the kids getting shot randomly and discriminately and innocently and
Speaker 3: ending their lives. We've got to do We can't do
Speaker 3: anything about the guns. But why we can ban bullets?
Speaker 3: My god, you'd be run out of the You'd be
Speaker 3: run out of Columbus on a rail if you propose that.
Speaker 3: But how's this any different to me?
Speaker 4: It's not.
Speaker 3: It's part and parcel at least. You know what, if
Speaker 3: you say I'm a conservative and it means something, what's
Speaker 3: that mean? Individual freedom, limited government, rule of law, fiscal responsibility.
Speaker 3: Where in today's Republican party, whether it's the state or
Speaker 3: whether it's especially nationally, do we see that at all?
Speaker 3: Fiscal responsibility? How much is that big beautiful bill costing us?
Speaker 3: How much is this government? Well the Democrats are responsible
Speaker 3: with this, but a trillion and a half dollars to
Speaker 3: keep the government open for seven weeks seems like a bargain.
Speaker 3: And we're thirty seven thirty eight trillion in death the
Speaker 3: rule of law? You kind of ended that play in
Speaker 3: January sixth dn't you all the way up to today
Speaker 3: in individual freedom and limited government? Yeah, cracking down on
Speaker 3: books and gay marriage and drag shows. Seltzer, where's the liberty?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: It may not be for you, but it may be
Speaker 3: for me. And find me the societal harm that's driving
Speaker 3: any of this stuff.
Speaker 4: And you won't.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, you're wrong about that because kids are
Speaker 3: getting these gummies and they're eating the gummies.
Speaker 4: Are they dying?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: Are they getting sick? Yeah, that's scary, it's frightening, it's frightening.
Speaker 3: But if that is a low standard for a ban,
Speaker 3: then there's a lot of things in this country and
Speaker 3: in the state that are screaming for a ban.
Speaker 4: You feel me?
Speaker 3: Five three, seven, four nine, seven, eight hundred the Big
Speaker 3: one talk back radio out Let me get to Barry
Speaker 3: in Miamisburg on seven hundred.
Speaker 4: W over Hey, Barry Hey.
Speaker 12: It boils down to middle of the roads quote unquote
Speaker 12: Republicans who would rather raise taxes than have big government
Speaker 12: jobs paid for by more taxes, and more taxes than
Speaker 12: anything else. I mean, really, who cares about marijuana or
Speaker 12: beer or any other other things they tax? It's not
Speaker 12: out of it's all about money for Columbus.
Speaker 4: Well, no question.
Speaker 3: They look at the look at the tax that they
Speaker 3: look at the tax that they put on on recreacial marijuana,
Speaker 3: and they're looking at going wow, people are going, hey,
Speaker 3: you know what, I can still at my buzz on
Speaker 3: by circumventing that and going after a you know, a
Speaker 3: delta eight laced seltzer or something along those lines. They
Speaker 3: created this mess. And now it's like, well the tax
Speaker 3: is so enormous. People are looking for a black market essentially,
Speaker 3: is what they're saying is you created the black market.
Speaker 6: Look at how.
Speaker 13: Hard they fought again letting people.
Speaker 12: Grow their own Amen, because you can't patch something somebody
Speaker 12: grows in their living room.
Speaker 3: This is and you're absolutely right, thanks for the call.
Speaker 3: And that's the problem with politics, Like how many times
Speaker 3: a day do I say that we have a part
Speaker 3: two party system. They're hollow, they're empty. It's a soulless
Speaker 3: fundraising shell on both sides. It's and it's supported by
Speaker 3: a shrinking number of cultists. And we and and part
Speaker 3: of this driving this too is we are more individualistic
Speaker 3: than ever before. I mean we you know, things like
Speaker 3: like a better good societal rules are kind of going
Speaker 3: away by this, and you know we we're not likely
Speaker 3: to We're not like to say, hey, we're going to
Speaker 3: take a sacrifice and do something for the common good.
Speaker 3: We tend to look in that little individual sylum which
Speaker 3: we're in, you know, a things like authorities, you know,
Speaker 3: the government, schools, medical establishments all go by the wayside
Speaker 3: because of that, because of what we're doing. But how
Speaker 3: are the two parties helping to fix it?
Speaker 4: They're not.
Speaker 3: It's more about how much money we can raise and
Speaker 3: how we can remain in power and leveraging all of
Speaker 3: that against well, what the Constitution once stood for. And
Speaker 3: it's a sad kind of decline. Does that mean America's over?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 3: But I think you know enough people get pissed off
Speaker 3: when they start coming after things like this and go
Speaker 3: all right, enough of this nonsense. We need some common
Speaker 3: sense here. You know, you can't simply because I subscribe
Speaker 3: to one political ally ideology the other simply turn a
Speaker 3: blind eye towards what it is your I mean, what
Speaker 3: do you stand for? If you if you if you
Speaker 3: don't stand for something, you stand for nothing. What are
Speaker 3: the core beliefs? What are the core tenants? Of what
Speaker 3: we're talking about here. You know, I rattled off the
Speaker 3: launderlist of what Republicans and Conservatives used to stand for
Speaker 3: at one time, and I considered myself more Republican than
Speaker 3: a conservative because the social issues. To me, I don't
Speaker 3: care what you do in the privacy of your own home.
Speaker 3: If you're a consenting adult and there's no grave harm
Speaker 3: to society, then knock yourself out. And and I'm an
Speaker 3: about libertarian in that sense. But all of these things
Speaker 3: where we got to save the children from an imaginary
Speaker 3: boogeyman at the expense of hard working men and women
Speaker 3: Ohioans who invested life savings into trying to buy up
Speaker 3: into the American dream and create a product that's taxed
Speaker 3: but not outrageously taxed and sell it to an open market.
Speaker 3: Seems to be something conservatives once not long ago stood for,
Speaker 3: and now they're against it. Over to al and Montgomery
Speaker 3: on seven hundred w Al thebody Scott's loan show, OWT,
Speaker 3: what do you got.
Speaker 10: Good?
Speaker 4: I'm good, right good.
Speaker 13: Now you reminded me of of old Bill Clinton.
Speaker 5: Where you fight the children.
Speaker 4: It's for the children.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Whenever he wanted.
Speaker 13: To do any but anyway, I first to say, I
Speaker 13: don't you know marking anything that up. But I thought,
Speaker 13: and I might be wrong, that this legislation was only
Speaker 13: for a synthetic uh EHC products probably a little.
Speaker 5: Bit more first than I am in that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's a good thing. I didn't
Speaker 3: get it, and your your phone's kind of breaking up.
Speaker 3: I'll let you go, man, I appreciate you checking in. No,
Speaker 3: that is that's a solid point in thh fused infused
Speaker 3: gummies and the like, and it's got to have a
Speaker 3: percentage of TFC. And I again, I know enough about
Speaker 3: it to be dangerous, but I'm certainly no chemist here.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not Walter White or anything like that.
Speaker 3: But they back in the day that with the core
Speaker 3: of this whole thing was separating hemp from intoxica. So
Speaker 3: hemps a plant and hep you can make. You know,
Speaker 3: there's fabric. Think about I don't know, you know, you're
Speaker 3: you're petullia oil smelling hippie. Think of like Woody Harrelson
Speaker 3: wearing I don't know it's wearing some sort of hemp
Speaker 3: hem shirt or something like that.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna get high.
Speaker 3: You can eat that hemp and smoke it, and there's
Speaker 3: the intoxicating portion of that. So there's a non intoxic
Speaker 3: any plant that was legalized by the General Assembly if
Speaker 3: you years ago. And the problem was when they created this,
Speaker 3: they didn't differentiate and so people are like, well, it's
Speaker 3: a hemp products, a hemp derivative, and there's hemp derivative
Speaker 3: derived can cannabinoids that produce the psycho psychoactive effects would
Speaker 3: be similar to THHC, like Delta eight, Delta nine is
Speaker 3: actually weed. Delta eight is one component off. Delta ten
Speaker 3: has I don't know, maybe one more component of it,
Speaker 3: but essentially has the same effect. Delta HTC is a
Speaker 3: psychoactive compound that comes from a hemp product and the
Speaker 3: highest similar to traditional delta nine THHDA. It's chemically similar
Speaker 3: and you can synthesize that and extract it from the
Speaker 3: hemp plants still a plant. Okay, so you're right, You're
Speaker 3: right and wrong at the same time. And so they said, well,
Speaker 3: if we take this now and it has the same effect,
Speaker 3: I can put it in a WEP form. I could
Speaker 3: also put it in a seltzer. I could put it
Speaker 3: in tinture, which is like a little eyedropper thing you
Speaker 3: put on your tongue or whatever. The delivery or a
Speaker 3: gummy or whatever, the delivery system is Okay, So that's
Speaker 3: the legal loophole.
Speaker 8: That was good.
Speaker 3: Why not just go back and change a loophole then
Speaker 3: and say, if it's intoxicating, okay, here's some regulation with it.
Speaker 3: Doing that, we're shutting the whole thing down, which is
Speaker 3: a disturbing part. But let's go back and look at well,
Speaker 3: why would they come up with something, Why wouldn't you
Speaker 3: Why would you come up with delta eight? And why
Speaker 3: would you take camp in delta ten and have these
Speaker 3: you know, chemically different, mollectually slightly different if it has
Speaker 3: the same effect as marijuana. Well, to answer your question,
Speaker 3: I'll come back full circle back to the wine, back
Speaker 3: to the legislature. That is, the markets are always going
Speaker 3: to find a way to sell stuff to people that
Speaker 3: they want. There's a huge demand for getting high, right,
Speaker 3: or for alleviating pain in the case maybe with me
Speaker 3: and I like to get high, but also with austin,
Speaker 3: you know, right, and ligaments that are torn and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. You know, I prefer that of roqui. It's honestly,
Speaker 3: I do, because you get a good night sleep. A
Speaker 3: lot of people do, and so people learned that and went, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: there's something to this. It's you know, maybe there's a long,
Speaker 3: long term health effect, but right now I can't sleep
Speaker 3: because you know, I don't I don't have any if
Speaker 3: I have bone on bone in my shoulder, my knee
Speaker 3: or my back or whatever it might be. Or maybe
Speaker 3: I just like the buzz better than alcohol. What's wrong
Speaker 3: with that?
Speaker 4: Nothing?
Speaker 3: Nothing, but the whole reason why these synthetics in these
Speaker 3: derivatives were made. Why was because of the ban on
Speaker 3: marijuana in the first place. It was the prohibition. So
Speaker 3: Mike DeWine, who's been anti marijuana's whole life, helped create
Speaker 3: this problem that he's now trying to solve, and that
Speaker 3: if you tell people you can't have it because I
Speaker 3: don't like it, because I think it's bad for you
Speaker 3: and I know better and it's a nanty state, then
Speaker 3: the markets will find try and find a way around that.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, okay, I can't sell you a weed,
Speaker 3: but you know we're pretty smart in the creative in
Speaker 3: business class, and that we'll find a way. We'll come
Speaker 3: up with something to satisfy avoid in the market and
Speaker 3: eaed in the market. It's always worked that way in capitalism,
Speaker 3: and in this case it was marijuana. Like, okay, well
Speaker 3: we've got delta eight, which is not really marijuana. It's close.
Speaker 3: Give you the same buzz. Well that's a loophole, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a Look, the reason why is because you banned
Speaker 3: marijuana and now someone found a way around that. To
Speaker 3: statis why the capitalistic need the consumer economy. And that's
Speaker 3: all this is, either we are a consumer capitalist economy
Speaker 3: or not. In the legislature, these politicians spend you spend
Speaker 3: a lot of time telling you they're.
Speaker 4: Not socialists or whatever is it might be, but they
Speaker 4: sure as hell.
Speaker 3: Act like it, don't they The home of the best
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Speaker 7: Do you want to be a.
Speaker 2: Flowing back on seven hundred WLW?
Speaker 3: Are we on the Fourth Industrial Revolution? What? What fourth
Speaker 3: industrial legs? The first one was a coal in steam power,
Speaker 3: second revolution was gas, third was the digital revolution beginning
Speaker 3: in the late nineteen sixties, and the fourth one is
Speaker 3: a I artificial intelligence. Recently, Elon Musk said there's a
Speaker 3: twenty percent chance that AI will take over humanity essentially
Speaker 3: on humans won't be in existence any longer than can
Speaker 3: copewters will take over literally the stuff of science fiction.
Speaker 4: Frightening, isn't it? And uh, I did twenty percent.
Speaker 3: There's other things that's probably a ten percent chance, But
Speaker 3: that's today. What happens tomorrow? And as I mentioned this,
Speaker 3: there's a new AI bought out there that with a
Speaker 3: couple of keystrokes, just words, you can create literally visual
Speaker 3: content that is about as realistic as what you see
Speaker 3: with the naked eye. Frightening. What that means for well, entertainment,
Speaker 3: news and everything else. Chris McKenzie's here. He's a nonprofit
Speaker 3: called Americans for Responsible Innovation. They cover AI policy and
Speaker 3: the public interest. Chris, welcome, Hi, shot, I'm going to
Speaker 3: be on with you. We've always had fear of the unknown.
Speaker 3: We have fomo now, but we also had fear of
Speaker 3: the unknown. Those two factors go together, like peanut, butter
Speaker 3: and jelly, go back to the days of the cave man.
Speaker 4: Right, here's four cave men and there what do they
Speaker 4: carry off? Pelts?
Speaker 3: They've got their pelts, different pelts of things and pelts,
Speaker 3: and we're bringing pelts here and we need pelts for
Speaker 3: the winner pelts, pelts, pelts, and some guy goes, hey,
Speaker 3: what if we took this thing, we'll call it a
Speaker 3: week and now now we just need one guy.
Speaker 4: We don't need for it. Why are you going to
Speaker 4: put me out of a job? This is anything different.
Speaker 5: That's a good point, you know. Resistance to automation, I
Speaker 5: like to say, is a story as old as jobs themselves.
Speaker 5: Right whether you're talking about lamp lighters protesting the advent
Speaker 5: of the street lamp, or textile workers strikes that shook
Speaker 5: England during the Industrial Revolution, this story has been playing
Speaker 5: out for a long time. And as you noted earlier,
Speaker 5: we're in a moment of rapid technological change with AI
Speaker 5: right now that is similar to the Industrial Revolution in
Speaker 5: a lot of ways. It's likely to increase productivity, it will.
Speaker 7: Probably benefit consumers in.
Speaker 5: Many ways over the long run, but in the short run,
Speaker 5: it's likely to place millions upon millions of workers. And
Speaker 5: the key difference here, something to keep in mind, is
Speaker 5: in its pace. The Industrial Revolution took place over many,
Speaker 5: many decades.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 5: The first commercial steam engine was designed in seventeen twelve.
Speaker 5: Then it took seventy years after that before we put
Speaker 5: the steam engine into a train, and then forty years
Speaker 5: before that locomotive train was common. Compare that to AI.
Speaker 5: CHANGGBT was released a couple of years ago, and companies
Speaker 5: across the economy are already trying to figure out how
Speaker 5: does this fit into their business and what pieces of
Speaker 5: their business can be automated.
Speaker 3: Which has all of us in the work sector looking
Speaker 3: over our shoulders. And it's not just manufacturing and imports
Speaker 3: and shipping and car manufacturing. Accountants, lawyers, software engineers, graphic designers, drivers,
Speaker 3: you know. With AI and autonomous vehicles, all that and
Speaker 3: many many more fields are now in jeopardy. When they
Speaker 3: once were. You thought, Hey, I'm an account I'm a lawyer,
Speaker 3: I'm an engineer, I'm set for life. No, that's not
Speaker 3: true anymore.
Speaker 5: That's absolutely true. Depending on your field, the AI will
Speaker 5: impact employment in different ways and at a different pace.
Speaker 5: What's expected to happen is that AI will probably impact
Speaker 5: the INDUS treat retail moving and shipping first, and it could,
Speaker 5: but in the long run, again, as you noted, it'll
Speaker 5: impact a really broad range of sectors, including sectors that
Speaker 5: we previously thought were safe for automation.
Speaker 4: I'm in the radio industry.
Speaker 3: As we sit here and have this conversation on the radio,
Speaker 3: I saw not long ago that there was a djab
Speaker 3: at music station. I believe this is an Australia, I
Speaker 3: want to say. And they couldn't figure out who this
Speaker 3: new voice was whatever. About six months into it, the
Speaker 3: company divulges it's AI. It's not a real person. And
Speaker 3: everyone thought it was a real person because they're sharing
Speaker 3: intimate personal stories and everything else. And you know, it's
Speaker 3: that always case where it's like, well, you know it's
Speaker 3: not going to impact my job, Well, it's impacting our
Speaker 3: jobs right and tomorrow It may not be years today,
Speaker 3: but tomorrow it is going to be years. I think
Speaker 3: a great example of that of the porch. It wasn't
Speaker 3: long ago we had the port strikes in America. We're
Speaker 3: woefully behind the rest of the world would come to this.
Speaker 3: But now they're fighting for their market share and jobs,
Speaker 3: which I get. But the reality is the rest of
Speaker 3: the world's already moved, Don and a lot of this
Speaker 3: stuff is done with artificial intelligence and AI that controls robots.
Speaker 7: I think you're right.
Speaker 5: What we know is that there is a large displacement
Speaker 5: of US workers coming because of the AI Revolution. Now, policymakers, unions,
Speaker 5: employers have some successful examples from history to draw on
Speaker 5: for how we can help workers transition into the future workforce.
Speaker 5: During the Industrial Revolution, we created the public education system
Speaker 5: and we implemented worker protections over a number of years.
Speaker 5: That helps to create the factory jobs that we now
Speaker 5: look back on and say, well, that was a good job,
Speaker 5: that was a good paying job, and we miss that right.
Speaker 5: The GI Bill is another example that helps eight million
Speaker 5: World War two veterans find work back in the US
Speaker 5: after the end of the war. Of course, we're facing
Speaker 5: a displacement of workers much larger than eight million workers.
Speaker 5: By some estimate, that's going to be forty seven percent
Speaker 5: of the US workforce that's impacted by the implementation of AI.
Speaker 3: WOW, and that brings up a whole host of other questions. Is,
Speaker 3: all right, we've got a lot of people and there's
Speaker 3: not enough jobs for everybody. How do we survive? Things
Speaker 3: like universal basic income have come into play. I've also
Speaker 3: heard people like I don't know, Bill Gay someone like that.
Speaker 3: It's an idea that's been around for a while, which
Speaker 3: involves actually taxing the AI and taxing the robots as
Speaker 3: if they were a real.
Speaker 8: Worker as possible.
Speaker 5: I think what we need right now are big ideas
Speaker 5: both in education and in worker protection, specifically over the
Speaker 5: immediate term. One of the things that Congress can do
Speaker 5: is implement protections to make sure that AI is not
Speaker 5: used in an invasive, privacy intruding way on workers to
Speaker 5: overly monitor their productivity in a way that's dehumanizing.
Speaker 3: AI most certainly is going to take a lot of
Speaker 3: jobs away, and there's going to be huge worker displacement
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 4: How do we navigate that?
Speaker 5: You're correct, there are jobs that will you know, that
Speaker 5: will have in the future that we can't imagine right
Speaker 5: now because they are before the advent of computers, A
Speaker 5: lot of the jobs that we're doing today we could
Speaker 5: not have imagined. It did destroy jobs. There was the
Speaker 5: process of creative destruction where many workers were displaced, but
Speaker 5: it also created jobs. Even if you look at ports,
Speaker 5: there are jobs operating automatic you know, cranes and highly
Speaker 5: autonomous vehicles that we could not have imagined forty years ago.
Speaker 5: The number of people those ports employee is different, but
Speaker 5: there are new jobs that are on their way because
Speaker 5: of this technological change as well.
Speaker 3: It makes a sense, Chris, then to fight, if you're
Speaker 3: a worker or existing worker, whether it's unions or not,
Speaker 3: to protect workers from market forces instead of unsafe working conditions.
Speaker 3: You know, there's still plenty of jobs out there that
Speaker 3: are a little bit more dangerous than others. But clearly
Speaker 3: in the last one hundred years in the industrial level revolution,
Speaker 3: we're a lot safer than we have ever been in
Speaker 3: the workplace because of the union, because of the rules
Speaker 3: and regulations, and so as a result of this thing,
Speaker 3: now maybe more of the focuses on the market forces,
Speaker 3: which here would be AI. Is how they is that,
Speaker 3: I guess in the union sense, is that how they
Speaker 3: continue to stay relevant because worker safety seems pretty good.
Speaker 5: I think you're actually going to see two types of
Speaker 5: resistance to automation and the implementation of AI from workers
Speaker 5: and unions. One is the replacement of jobs, which workers
Speaker 5: are going to protest because they don't want to see
Speaker 5: their jobs evaporate.
Speaker 7: And the second is the unfair.
Speaker 5: Implementation of AI that negatively impacts workers on the job.
Speaker 5: Right and again, I turned to Privy as an example
Speaker 5: where we see some companies have implemented AI in a
Speaker 5: way that monitors employees every move in a very intrusive way.
Speaker 5: It monitors their click movements maybe if you're on a computer,
Speaker 5: and we're probably going to see some resistance to that
Speaker 5: as well. So I would describe those as kind of
Speaker 5: the two paths of resistance that will likely encounter a
Speaker 5: day I is implemented.
Speaker 3: It's pretty scary though, that half the jobs in America
Speaker 3: are under threat from AI right now, which would totally
Speaker 3: upend the Apple gart But as you said, and I
Speaker 3: think of this often as that kids today, if you're
Speaker 3: in school, you're training for a job that does not
Speaker 3: yet exist. We'll just find a way to For example,
Speaker 3: the computer, we're supposed to make our lives easier. Oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, we'll have all this free time, and it's
Speaker 3: made it harder. Isn't that going to happen with AI?
Speaker 5: It'll make some things easier, it'll make some things harder.
Speaker 5: You know, we have the computer now, it's made shopping easier.
Speaker 5: For example, I have access to a whole world of
Speaker 5: products that I did not USETAB. I do think computers
Speaker 5: are really informive example, because in many ways it's made
Speaker 5: the lives of consumers easier. It's given consumers access to
Speaker 5: many products and things that they did not use to
Speaker 5: have access to. But it's created two types of work,
Speaker 5: and in some cases it feels like it's made life
Speaker 5: harder for everyday workers in our economy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels that way's supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Oh God, and we we'll spend all day going shopping
Speaker 3: with our you know, going out with our family and
Speaker 3: hanging out. No, we just spend all our days in
Speaker 3: front of a screen. Now granted it's TikTok, it's Facebook,
Speaker 3: it's other things. But you know, I think the nature
Speaker 3: we work more as more hours than we used to.
Speaker 3: In some cases, we've seen those studies come out go
Speaker 3: and are actually spending more time working away from work
Speaker 3: than it used to be.
Speaker 4: In the old days.
Speaker 3: You know, we'd punched the clock in eight hour shift,
Speaker 3: ten hours whatever, we'd go home, we'd have the rest
Speaker 3: of our lives. And now it just follows us home.
Speaker 3: That's that's the point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you noted you know, computers, It depends on
Speaker 5: how you frame it, right. Some people look at computers
Speaker 5: and they say, well, they've made us much more productive,
Speaker 5: But at the same time, what is that how does
Speaker 5: that productivity manifest for workers themselves. Sometimes that's people checking
Speaker 5: their phones after five pm. The thing can be said
Speaker 5: a AI, it'll make workers more productive, but how does
Speaker 5: that productivity manifest? Is that in you know, monitoring workers
Speaker 5: every move, every click, and we need to make sure
Speaker 5: protections are in place so that it's not implemented and
Speaker 5: dehumanizing our unfair way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly how quickly is this happening? We know AI
Speaker 3: is moving exceptionally fast. I mentioned the four industry revolutions
Speaker 3: with coal and gas and the digital revolution of the sixties,
Speaker 3: but this one is moving fast in all three of those.
Speaker 8: That's a really good question.
Speaker 5: What we've seen with past eras of technological transformation is
Speaker 5: that it comes in kind of a jay curve.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: You see the implementation of technology, you see companies trying
Speaker 5: to figure it out, and there's a moment of actually
Speaker 5: not increasing productivity, but almost decreasing productivity. Is companies are
Speaker 5: still trying to flop this technology into their business model
Speaker 5: and figure out a way to make them more productive.
Speaker 5: And then there's a period of rapid transformation of rapidly
Speaker 5: increasing productivity.
Speaker 8: And we haven't hit that yet.
Speaker 5: We're still in the phase where companies are looking at
Speaker 5: this tech and trying to figure out how to implement it.
Speaker 5: But we will soon. We will soon see that era
Speaker 5: of rapid transformation.
Speaker 3: And I would suggest too that we're going to see
Speaker 3: a host of other careers developed as a result of
Speaker 3: AI that we don't know, as we've mentioned before, and
Speaker 3: so ultimately scares the hell out of us, because right
Speaker 3: now are going a Wow, my job may be eliminated.
Speaker 3: It's probably not going to be tomorrow. But you and
Speaker 3: I you ought to be looking over your shoulder.
Speaker 5: That's true. Your job won't be eliminated tomorrow. And I
Speaker 5: think what's important to think about is how can bringing
Speaker 5: AI into your work also help make you more productive
Speaker 5: as someone who's who's an employee right because it can
Speaker 5: help make employees more and more competitive piece of the
Speaker 5: workforce if they are able to find ways to implement
Speaker 5: AI in their own work.
Speaker 3: He's Chris McKenzie with the nonprofit Americans for Responsible Innovation.
Speaker 3: They handle AI policy and the public interests, not necessarily
Speaker 3: pro AI, but figuring out how it all works. And
Speaker 3: now maybe you got some questions answered, Brother's probably you
Speaker 3: probably have more questions than than answers at this point,
Speaker 3: which I get but it's so rapidly changing. If you're older,
Speaker 3: it'll affect you a little less, and retirement it'll affect
Speaker 3: you because AI will be doing more for you. But
Speaker 3: if you're in the workforce into your relatively younger middle age, uh,
Speaker 3: this is the future you're facing. As we all have.
Speaker 3: It's technological challenge. America is about innovation. We always lean
Speaker 3: into that. We don't shy away from it, or we
Speaker 3: shouldn't anyway. Chris, all the best, thanks.
Speaker 5: Again, Thank you, Scott, have a good one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, too long, didn't read. We will figure it out.
Speaker 4: We always do.
Speaker 3: Now there's going to be a huge up people in jobs,
Speaker 3: and again there's going to be jobs created. We don't
Speaker 3: know that they don't exist right now, that it exists tomorrow.
Speaker 3: There's That's always been the case, and probably more so
Speaker 3: today than ever. New AI bot comes out says yeah,
Speaker 3: I put a couple keywords in and it will generate
Speaker 3: a fake video for you. And the video is unbelievably compelling.
Speaker 3: So what does that mean when you could with a
Speaker 3: few keystrokes create a I don't know, a program, a
Speaker 3: TV show, fake news, dialogue between two people. I mean
Speaker 3: the content that we watch on our screens, whether it's
Speaker 3: the one in your hand or the one on your wall.
Speaker 3: What is that going to look like in the next
Speaker 3: few years, over the next five, ten years, or simply like,
Speaker 3: you know, does Hollywood go away because it's all AI? Now,
Speaker 3: that's a really really good question. Now I've see that's
Speaker 3: kind of hitting home for us here in the creative sector.
Speaker 3: Will the voice that you hear on the station or
Speaker 3: through your phone? I guess I won't even station will
Speaker 3: be an app in the future, just simply be something
Speaker 3: that's AI generated. I mean, we watch a lot of
Speaker 3: fake videos now and go, yeah, I think it's kind
Speaker 3: of fake, but it's funny dog driving a car.
Speaker 4: Look at that.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good and you watch it. Okay, So already
Speaker 3: consuming that count that we know is fake. In the
Speaker 3: future it won't. And what does that mean for news?
Speaker 3: What does that mean for information? Do we get more
Speaker 3: even more divided? That's even possible. When it comes to
Speaker 3: our worldview, We'll find such a niche of our that
Speaker 3: reflects our own narrow world views that collectivism and society
Speaker 3: for that matter, now becomes an out layer. We're moving
Speaker 3: more towards the individual and more away from society. A
Speaker 3: lot of people say that'll end America, this great experiment
Speaker 3: as we know it, will it or will just look different?
Speaker 3: Great questions and AA is going to drive this whole
Speaker 3: thing for sure. Anyway, let me get a news update
Speaker 3: in and that's real news with a live, breathing human being.
Speaker 4: Well it's Uchino, so I think it's I don't know.
Speaker 3: If he's breathing or he may be a bot himself,
Speaker 3: kind of looks like a bo Anyway, whoever has the news,
Speaker 3: we have it for you live and then we return afterwards.
Speaker 3: Scott's loan on seven hundred wlw's Sloaney rolling on with
Speaker 3: you here, seven hundred w LW. When politicians say it's
Speaker 3: about the.
Speaker 4: Children, it's about our children. They gotta save our.
Speaker 3: Children, and a never about saving no children, It's about
Speaker 3: something else. So yesterday Governor Mike DeWine issued a ninety
Speaker 3: day ban on THHC and fused gummies and beverages and
Speaker 3: outside outside licensed marijuana dispensary. So you got a license
Speaker 3: from the state and the tax goes along with that,
Speaker 3: and if you're not paying that veig then guess what
Speaker 3: We're gonna shut you down. That's a message I got
Speaker 3: into this. How about you? So bottom line is this,
Speaker 3: if you enjoy a I know THCHD infused gummy or
Speaker 3: a vape or a product. For example, a lot of
Speaker 3: brewers have added something new to their seltzer lineup, and
Speaker 3: that would be THC infused beverages for adults, sold at bars,
Speaker 3: sold at restaurants. People enjoy it, my wife loves them.
Speaker 3: According to the Governor's Band here they have to remove
Speaker 3: displays and sales by October fourteenth midnight October fourteenth. So
Speaker 3: what does this mean for I don't know, small businesses
Speaker 3: in Ohio and for those people who enjoy seltzers, particularly
Speaker 3: CDB seltzers.
Speaker 4: What does that? What does that even look like?
Speaker 3: I had Jason Freeman on the OICBD Guy first out
Speaker 3: of the show, and now it's Bobby Slattery. Bobby's the
Speaker 3: founder of fifty West and joins the show. Now, Bobby,
Speaker 3: how are you.
Speaker 8: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on the show.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you calling and checking in with us. I got
Speaker 3: to say, I mean, you guys are it seems like
Speaker 3: you're growing leaps and bounds with the retail establishments that
Speaker 3: you have, and it I mean it's really something. It's
Speaker 3: cool to see someone local do so well. But you know,
Speaker 3: here's the problem with this thing is you guys saw
Speaker 3: I mark good opportunity here. You invested sizable capital in
Speaker 3: CBD enhanced beverages, and now I'm sure you woke up
Speaker 3: this morning and went, what the hell just happened?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's funny.
Speaker 14: First off, I was driving in for a meeting this
Speaker 14: morning down at the County Commissioner's office that's something unrelated,
Speaker 14: and I was listening to your show and you kept
Speaker 14: saying our name, and I'm going, oh god, talking about us.
Speaker 14: I'm happy to talk. So I really appreciate you.
Speaker 8: You get me on the show and getting my perspective.
Speaker 3: So basically everything I said so far, did I miss anything.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to slant.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I look at your success story and go, okay, you
Speaker 3: guys jump in the craft beer movement. You keep putting
Speaker 3: in new ventures. You've got new restaurants, and the Mason
Speaker 3: ones absolutely amazing. You got outdoor volleyball and his kid
Speaker 3: and dog friendly, and you're drinking beer and my wife
Speaker 3: likes the Seltzers that did the CBD infused ones, and
Speaker 3: you're like, there's a market opportunity here, and now you
Speaker 3: come along and the governor, in one swift move in
Speaker 3: three months is going to make this illegal.
Speaker 4: What's your reaction.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean I think, first off, I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 14: I'm gonna eternal opit.
Speaker 8: So I'm trying to find the positives in this.
Speaker 14: The first about a flower product. We launched that about
Speaker 14: about a year ago. And when we launched it, we
Speaker 14: we saw this new space. We thought there might be
Speaker 14: a customer base there. We weren't really sure who it was.
Speaker 14: And what was amazing was the amount of customers that
Speaker 14: are that are moving away from alcohol, especially in the
Speaker 14: gen Z phase, but also as adults. Your wife might
Speaker 14: be one of these, but there's people that are just
Speaker 14: they don't want alcohol anymore. They beverage is a social occasion, right,
Speaker 14: the act of drinking that's always going to be something
Speaker 14: that we do, not necessarily drinking alcohol, but the active
Speaker 14: act of drinking a beverage. And so a lot of
Speaker 14: customers started to find this space where, you know, they
Speaker 14: wanted to be social, but they didn't want it to
Speaker 14: mess with their sleep patterns. And so our sunflower product,
Speaker 14: it was low milligram five milligram dosage, and so it
Speaker 14: became extremely popular, so much so that in our world,
Speaker 14: you know, craft beer is down tremendously across across the
Speaker 14: board nationwide, and beers down tremendously across the board. And
Speaker 14: so this year we've seen the largest decline ever in
Speaker 14: sales and craft beer in the history of fifty West.
Speaker 14: We are going to make more total barralage this year
Speaker 14: than we've ever made before.
Speaker 8: And that's coming from these.
Speaker 14: Five milligram THHC beverages that we call Sunflower, and so
Speaker 14: I think and most of those people that are drinking
Speaker 14: those this is not that the customer is not it's
Speaker 14: not who the Governor's kind of discussing here. Most of
Speaker 14: these people are choosing it as a it's health conscious reasons.
Speaker 14: It's because it's lower talarie, it's because it doesn't make
Speaker 14: you feel hungover, because you can function the next day.
Speaker 14: And so, you know, it's a little you know, it's frustrating.
Speaker 14: We obviously created a lot of jobs for us and opportunities,
Speaker 14: and so I think what we're looking towards is my
Speaker 14: hope is that the governor did this in an effort
Speaker 14: to kind of get the kind of get the attention
Speaker 14: of the legislature to try to pass some laws that
Speaker 14: would would help help put more structure to this. And so,
Speaker 14: you know, I think that it's our mission right now
Speaker 14: is you know, I'm going around every LEGI everyone I
Speaker 14: can to say, hey, you know, we do believe that
Speaker 14: there should be laws in place here. I think that
Speaker 14: you know, it just twenty one and up, like we
Speaker 14: write it on our cans. I think that's a pretty
Speaker 14: pretty understandable thing. The other thing I think you can
Speaker 14: look at is we can turn to alcohol and say
Speaker 14: there's a lot of good guidelines we can just follow
Speaker 14: as far as alcohol is concerned, as it relates to taxation,
Speaker 14: as it relates to how it's regulated. And so you know,
Speaker 14: our hope is that that we can quickly redolve this.
Speaker 14: We can work with the local legislation to get something agreeable. So, uh,
Speaker 14: you know, we're we're looking at the future. There's a
Speaker 14: real this is a real, real growth opportunity for people
Speaker 14: out there that haven't had these beverages. It's happening, it's
Speaker 14: happening fast, and it's a major marketplace that's going to
Speaker 14: create a lot of jobs and a lot of opportunities,
Speaker 14: especially here in Ohio.
Speaker 3: You Bobby Slider, you you're an eternal optimist, you said,
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit more pragmatic.
Speaker 4: I tend to I like to look at the at.
Speaker 3: The beer glass, the fifty West glass, to being half
Speaker 3: full as opposed to half empty. I lets go, Okay,
Speaker 3: is this just a wake up call, a way to
Speaker 3: scare the legislature and a compliance here.
Speaker 4: I'm hoping that is the case.
Speaker 3: But as the weeks turned into months, and is that
Speaker 3: ninety day deadline rapidly approaches and in business ninety days
Speaker 3: is you know, maybe for you, it feels like a
Speaker 3: long time. When you've got a brick and mortar location,
Speaker 3: you're you know, you're looking at your your daily sales
Speaker 3: of your barrel sales of whatever you're moving out the door.
Speaker 3: And whether it's CBD, THC or good old fashioned beer,
Speaker 3: it could be water. If you're selling, you're going to
Speaker 3: make more of it. I get that it's good for jobs,
Speaker 3: good for the economy, and you made a sizeable personal
Speaker 3: investment in this whole thing not that long ago, during
Speaker 3: the peak, you know, during craft beer and the big boom,
Speaker 3: which you say is kind of on decline right now.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a one year off. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it's a trend or whatever. But bottom line is, you
Speaker 3: know you're gonna run out of it. Feels like the
Speaker 3: clock may run out here on this whole thing. How
Speaker 3: optimistic are you that the legislature is going to get
Speaker 3: back in a session and go we got to address
Speaker 3: this right now? This is this is the biggest thing
Speaker 3: we've got to face. So so that's what I'm That's
Speaker 3: what I'm doing today. I mean, that's I'm doing this morning.
Speaker 14: That's what I'll be doing for probably the next until
Speaker 14: we get this thing fixed. But yeah, I mean, my
Speaker 14: my recommendation to people that are out there is contact
Speaker 14: your local legislator. If you're somebody that drinks these products,
Speaker 14: and there's a lot of you out there. I mean,
Speaker 14: the the amount of growth we saw on this was
Speaker 14: was I mean, it was tremendous and and you know,
Speaker 14: if you want to fix this, rech out your.
Speaker 8: Local legislator, talk to them about.
Speaker 14: These products that have been removed via executive order and
Speaker 14: and tell them, tell them who you are and why
Speaker 14: you want it back. Because I believe in America. I
Speaker 14: believe in the American process.
Speaker 8: And I think that that that's.
Speaker 14: How we fix this. So let's go out there, let's
Speaker 14: rally this up, because you are right. I mean I
Speaker 14: have we hired a whole sales team over the last
Speaker 14: several months, and you know, I don't know what to
Speaker 14: tell those people to do as of Tuesday.
Speaker 8: It's hard to sell a product that you're not allowed
Speaker 8: to sell, right, So.
Speaker 14: Uh, with that being said, I'm committed to my team
Speaker 14: and and you know, they made a commitment to me,
Speaker 14: and so you know, we're going to go out there
Speaker 14: and you know, if they can't sell product, then we're going.
Speaker 8: To go We'll send them into talk to politicians.
Speaker 14: I don't know what we're gonna do with them, but
Speaker 14: we're gonna We're going to figure out a way to
Speaker 14: make sense of this because our sales, the way I
Speaker 14: like to look at it is the sales and the
Speaker 14: growth of of the of the sunflower products was it
Speaker 14: was the people of Ohio speaking. It was consumer preference, right.
Speaker 14: They weren't buying these products because somebody was forcing them to.
Speaker 14: They were buying them because this is this is a
Speaker 14: new wave that they're moving towards. And so you know,
Speaker 14: if that's the voice of ohiolands. Then I think that
Speaker 14: we should be able to get these laws straight, to
Speaker 14: be able to cater to the people that live here
Speaker 14: car wise, you know, yeah.
Speaker 7: They're going to go to Kentucky or Indiana or sure.
Speaker 4: Exactly it's okay.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at how they screw I don't know
Speaker 3: how big you are in the marijuana thing, but how
Speaker 3: the song screwed in the first place. I mean, there
Speaker 3: was an overwhel the grounds flow of support ONLI and
Speaker 3: you could see the wave coming across America's more and
Speaker 3: more states adopted medical and then recreational weed. And you
Speaker 3: know what's going to happen in Ohio. It passed yere
Speaker 3: with like sixty percent, and up until the last minute,
Speaker 3: the governor of the legislature fought and fought and fought
Speaker 3: against it and then try to create more rules to
Speaker 3: subvert that the will of the people. And now now
Speaker 3: we're having government that's screaming about you know.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 3: Delta a THHC products, and Delta eight is a psychoactive
Speaker 3: compound and the highest similar to traditional marijuana. Delta nine
Speaker 3: is regular marions Delta eight, So it's just a molecule
Speaker 3: or two all right.
Speaker 8: Just clear.
Speaker 14: I mean, the governor outlawed all intoxic what he's calling
Speaker 14: intoxicating hemp.
Speaker 7: So whether it's delta, we have a.
Speaker 14: Delta nine product that adulta nine THHD products. And there's
Speaker 14: a lot of opinions on on on that whole that
Speaker 14: whole side of it, but just to be clear, see
Speaker 14: outlaud all of it, and that put us. That's where
Speaker 14: we're we're insta play and that's one of the things
Speaker 14: they're looking at the state level right now is what
Speaker 14: is the definition of this because that's I think that's
Speaker 14: that's one of the gray areas that may exist that
Speaker 14: people may say, Okay, well what what did.
Speaker 8: He outlaged the outloud delta did the outlog tox saying hemp?
Speaker 8: There is no definition toxing amp, so what is that?
Speaker 3: But yeah, because the legislature in twenty and nineteen messed
Speaker 3: that whole thing up. They just said hamp in instead
Speaker 3: of specifying hamp as in the fan brick versus happened.
Speaker 4: And that's the quote unquote.
Speaker 3: But my point on that, though Bobby was and hear
Speaker 3: me out, is the fact that this whole thing was
Speaker 3: created by prohibition and that people saw the benefits of
Speaker 3: marijuana could use it responsibly legally, saying, hey, you don't
Speaker 3: I feel as bad as they do after alcohol and
Speaker 3: you know opioids. I'm on NAP because I just had
Speaker 3: surgery and I'm like, I'd rather use the marijuana and
Speaker 3: THHC as a pain relief and as a sleep aid
Speaker 3: as opposed to something that's habited forming and THD is not.
Speaker 3: But the fact of the matter is all these you
Speaker 3: know ta whether it's Delta eight or Delta ten, and
Speaker 3: the people think, well, you know, they're chemical compounds and
Speaker 3: it's not the real it's because you prohibited people from
Speaker 3: getting it. And so to your point about market forces,
Speaker 3: people found a way around that and said, well, you
Speaker 3: know what, chemically, I can change it and it's still legal.
Speaker 3: So and you know, called a loophole is I think
Speaker 3: disingenuous the fact that you have a product that people want.
Speaker 3: You didn't make a product Bobby at fifty West and say,
Speaker 3: I wonder if people about it. You knew there was
Speaker 3: a demand for it, and you jumped into it. And
Speaker 3: that's that you realize the American dream that way they're going,
Speaker 3: we prohibited it, and now we're going after the thing
Speaker 3: that problem we created in the first place.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think the frustrating part for us is that
Speaker 14: our customers that are drinking sunflour this, they're doing it,
Speaker 14: most of them. This is a health conscious decision. This
Speaker 14: is not a this is this isn't you know, a
Speaker 14: different psychoactive that they prefer, most of them.
Speaker 7: It's a it's an alternative.
Speaker 8: Alcohol that they believe in, not believe, but just healthier.
Speaker 8: The calories are less, it.
Speaker 7: Doesn't disrupt your sleep.
Speaker 14: So so I think that's that's what we're trying to
Speaker 14: understand and try to try to, you know, spread that
Speaker 14: message because we're the largest seller.
Speaker 8: I mean, we were selling more of that.
Speaker 7: Here's what's interesting.
Speaker 14: This is a five milligram THHC beverage. Now, if you
Speaker 14: went into the store and for ten dollars you could
Speaker 14: get five milligram beverage or for ten dollars you get
Speaker 14: fifty miligram beverage. Naturally you would probably think, well, I
Speaker 14: would take the fifty because I get more of it.
Speaker 14: Customers are buying the lower milligram beverage because they're looking
Speaker 14: for the healthy alternative. It's we're the better miss of society, right,
Speaker 14: so for the band to be in place because of
Speaker 14: safety purposes, Uh, it seems a little you know, that's
Speaker 14: the part that's a little difficult for me to meet,
Speaker 14: it for me to grasp, and I feel bad for
Speaker 14: you know, they talked about the toxicology reports and things
Speaker 14: like that, and I'm sure there's validity to those, but
Speaker 14: you know, I would I would argue that if you
Speaker 14: look at the toxicology reports as it related to alcohol
Speaker 14: with the same same group, it would be exponentially greater question.
Speaker 7: And so if we were really trying to.
Speaker 14: Save the children here, like, are we talking about prohibition
Speaker 14: on alcohol? Because that I think that would stir ale
Speaker 14: a whole different, whole difference.
Speaker 1: We have.
Speaker 3: We have Bobby Slattery from fifty US, We have a
Speaker 3: litany and there's a long list of kids who have
Speaker 3: done I mean, vaping is a huge thing. And I
Speaker 3: mentioned that I had Jason Friedman on the Ohio CBD Guy.
Speaker 3: They's all vay products too. And if you get a
Speaker 3: container of nicotine liquid nicotine it can kill you through
Speaker 3: through either usclar your skin, or whether you drink it
Speaker 3: or whatever. I mean, enough nicotine will kill a person.
Speaker 3: I know, we know enough alcohol kill a person, right,
Speaker 3: You can't kill a person with hemp and a THHD.
Speaker 3: Now does anyone want their kid quote unquote oding or
Speaker 3: taking a hump related product or CBD prey or THHD. No,
Speaker 3: of course not, because it's it's frightening for the kid
Speaker 3: to strike to be you as a parent, and if
Speaker 3: it falls into kids hands, then that that is a
Speaker 3: huge problem. But I mean, you just open fifty West
Speaker 3: in Deerfield Township and I've been there a couple of times.
Speaker 3: It's phenomenal volleyball and the whole vibe is great, and
Speaker 3: I look at that and go, that's awesome. People are
Speaker 3: out there and enjoying themselves. I see people drinking sunflower,
Speaker 3: which is the beverage you're talking about here. How many
Speaker 3: kids a day do you serve at fifty West and
Speaker 3: feed them a sunflower and THG?
Speaker 4: How often does that happen?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, never, kids don't.
Speaker 14: I mean the kids come there for the milkshakes and
Speaker 14: the chicken fingers and the cheapersion, right, and to be
Speaker 14: the sand I think that's what we saw was especially
Speaker 14: in the family friendly space and people that are out
Speaker 14: there listening.
Speaker 8: If you've got kids and they play sports.
Speaker 14: You've been there on the Sunday after the soccer game
Speaker 14: where the soccer team has to get together and you're like,
Speaker 14: I feel like I got to be social, but I
Speaker 14: really don't feel like drinking because I got to go
Speaker 14: to work in the morning. And that's where we were
Speaker 14: seeing these sunflower beverages really take off. Was like it
Speaker 14: was the soccer team showing up and the moms being like,
Speaker 14: you know what, I don't feel like drinking, but I got.
Speaker 8: To do something social, so I'll have one of these.
Speaker 14: So they were really falling somewhere in between what we
Speaker 14: call an na beverage and alcohol. This was sort of
Speaker 14: that in between medium, and it was awesome to see.
Speaker 14: I mean, it's been awesome and I think there's a
Speaker 14: real marketplace for that to continue. So I think the
Speaker 14: goal here, though, is in one of the things that
Speaker 14: you know, it is right now there's no age regulation
Speaker 14: on this, and I think that that's something that we
Speaker 14: need to put into effect. Right So my goal, being
Speaker 14: an optimist is let's reach out to the legislators. This
Speaker 14: is an extreme action taken by our governor, right like
Speaker 14: he took an extreme measure. I'm hoping that our legislators
Speaker 14: are going to take extreme measures to go make better
Speaker 14: loss because one of the things that he put in
Speaker 14: there was if we can get this thing passed through
Speaker 14: and get some sort of bill and understanding of reasonable
Speaker 14: laws in place, well then we can go back to
Speaker 14: selling these things again. And so I can sit here
Speaker 14: and I can cry and say this isn't fair. We
Speaker 14: invested money and there's jobs at stake and all that stuff,
Speaker 14: or I can sit here and fight and say, hey,
Speaker 14: we're going to make America better and we're going to
Speaker 14: find a way to put laws in place that makes
Speaker 14: sense for Ohio so we can get to the place
Speaker 14: where we.
Speaker 8: Want to be.
Speaker 14: And that's that's what my efforts are focused on right now.
Speaker 14: And you know I would I would rally people that
Speaker 14: are out there, reach out to your legislator, because that's
Speaker 14: that's how this thing's going to change.
Speaker 8: Yeah, here and cry, we're cry on.
Speaker 7: The sidelines and say this isn't.
Speaker 5: Fair, it's illegal.
Speaker 7: Why did you do this to me.
Speaker 14: It's like, hey, let's go change the laws, let's go
Speaker 14: make o Hio a better place, and let's get this
Speaker 14: in a spot where we want it to be.
Speaker 3: Look, there are people out there. They're bad operators, always
Speaker 3: gonna be bad. There's gonna be people who are buying
Speaker 3: the alcohol for underage kids, right, I mean that's happening
Speaker 3: if we've seen that happen. But in this case, Anna,
Speaker 3: you got some guy onans a gas station or carry
Speaker 3: out whatever selling tht laced sour Patch kids. And it
Speaker 3: looks like sour Patch kids is some fifteen year old
Speaker 3: or a product that's Delta eight tilta ten product that's
Speaker 3: going to get them high. And there's a loophole there. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's a bad operator, mind book. You go after that person,
Speaker 3: you shut them down, You make an example of dis
Speaker 3: wade others from over sheer greed from doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: That's what we're talking about with fifty West and uh
Speaker 3: drink that's intended for adults here, but yet we're casting
Speaker 3: everyone to the same lot.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's it's the unfortunate circumstance that we're caught in
Speaker 14: right now. But you know, like like I said, this
Speaker 14: is just part of the fifty West story. Like we're
Speaker 14: going to go out there and we're going to help
Speaker 14: change the law and we're going to make it better
Speaker 14: so that the you know, on the positive, it's going
Speaker 14: to be good for our sales when we get to fix.
Speaker 14: On the positive, it's going to be good that we're
Speaker 14: going to eliminate the bad operators. But the only way
Speaker 14: to changes is through the legislators. And they really need to,
Speaker 14: like this is time where they need to step up
Speaker 14: and they need to help help small businesses like us,
Speaker 14: help the consumers out there from you know, product products
Speaker 14: that potentially, you know, are bad operators. I think I
Speaker 14: think it's a critical time in Ohio. And you know,
Speaker 14: the governor took a very bold it made a very
Speaker 14: bolde on this. Whether you agree with it, disagree with it, whatever,
Speaker 14: you know, all I can focus on is how do
Speaker 14: I make it? You know, the consumers are already smoke spoken.
Speaker 14: Just look at our sales. Look at what's happening in
Speaker 14: the marketplace. Thank you, by the way, to everyone out
Speaker 14: out there that bought bought this, bought our products.
Speaker 8: The Sunflower thing. It was.
Speaker 14: It was amazing to watch and it's going to continue
Speaker 14: to be. So let's go out there and fight figure
Speaker 14: out how to get.
Speaker 8: This thing fixed. Like that's that's where mine is.
Speaker 3: I got before I let you go to put this
Speaker 3: in perspective, because a band goes an effect in ninety
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're going to get to ninety two.
Speaker 3: I think maybe the legislature wakes up and does something
Speaker 3: here finally. But at the same time, like if you're saying, okay,
Speaker 3: we're kind of peak craft beer, like people aren't drinking
Speaker 3: as much alcohol related products. They're moving to the CBD
Speaker 3: and the TC related products and all that stuff, and
Speaker 3: it's a growing market share for you.
Speaker 4: The question would be, then can you survive without this?
Speaker 14: This is going to affect us. I mean, like I mean,
Speaker 14: I'm going to survive no matter what happened. We made
Speaker 14: it through COVID, we made it through. This is part
Speaker 14: of This is one of the best parts about being
Speaker 14: an entrepreneur. And if you want to be an entrepreneur
Speaker 14: out there back part, our days.
Speaker 7: Are well they are days like today.
Speaker 8: This is when it's fun.
Speaker 14: The worst part about work is showing up and being like,
Speaker 14: all right, well we're just you know, we're gonna open
Speaker 14: the doors and we're going.
Speaker 8: To do this.
Speaker 14: This This is when it's fun. So like, yes, we're
Speaker 14: gonna survive it. Yes we're going to keep employing people. Yes,
Speaker 14: this is challenging, but like this is this is what
Speaker 14: makes my job fun and I'm excited about it.
Speaker 3: So how long does it take for you to produce
Speaker 3: a barrel of sunflower or our can of sunflow? Because okay,
Speaker 3: that's ninety days. But you know, there's it's not like
Speaker 3: you can wake up and go, Okay, I'm gonna make
Speaker 3: five hundred barrels of this stuff. How do you you
Speaker 3: know there's I mean, I mean.
Speaker 8: You want to talk about the reality of the situation
Speaker 8: we're looking at. This is a product that took off.
Speaker 8: So when a.
Speaker 14: Product takes off, we gotta we gotta, we got to
Speaker 14: go fruit. We get well, no, it's easy to say
Speaker 14: crank it out, but let's talk about you know, our
Speaker 14: fruit's coming out of one part of the country and
Speaker 14: our cans are coming out of another part of the country.
Speaker 14: So we we saw a massive demand and we're and
Speaker 14: now all of a sudden, we can't keep up with it.
Speaker 8: So we order all of this product. I mean, we've
Speaker 8: been this is.
Speaker 14: Months of work that now we have all these supplies.
Speaker 14: That's that's locked and you know I'm allowed to use it, right,
Speaker 14: So that's the that's the reality of the business. And
Speaker 14: and like I said before, I mean I can sit
Speaker 14: here and cry about it, say it's not fair, but
Speaker 14: or you just got to go figure out how to
Speaker 14: fight and make it work.
Speaker 4: Well, let's try and get some Let's try and get
Speaker 4: this fixed.
Speaker 8: Tom, Yeah, call your.
Speaker 14: Legislators, tell them, like if you want, if you want
Speaker 14: these products because you love drinking them, and and you're
Speaker 14: somebody that found some flower.
Speaker 8: And and you know, helped grow that, call your legislator.
Speaker 14: If you're somebody that believes in you know, small business
Speaker 14: in America and you like my story, call them, you know,
Speaker 14: like help me out here. It's uh, it's this is fun.
Speaker 14: We're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna figure it out.
Speaker 8: I hope.
Speaker 3: So Hey, man, I appreciate calling in and jumping on
Speaker 3: the show this morning, Bobby and listen, and I thank
Speaker 3: you for that.
Speaker 14: I well, I appreciate you one coming out to our
Speaker 14: Mason location and saying the nice things about it and
Speaker 14: too talking about in the radio. I was coming in
Speaker 14: this morning. It was it's very frustrating. I tell you
Speaker 14: to sit there and have somebody keep throwing your name
Speaker 14: out there.
Speaker 7: I'm like, I got something to say. I got something.
Speaker 4: Hey, well, I'm glad we you know.
Speaker 3: But it's on the same point though, Like it's not
Speaker 3: like you know, we're in the odds of this, we're
Speaker 3: the same. We're rolling together here because this is that
Speaker 3: defends every sensibility I have. That that's someone like yourself
Speaker 3: and many others for that matter, not in brewing, or
Speaker 3: who may be a CBD store owner whatever, or adults
Speaker 3: who simply want to enjoy something in the comfort of
Speaker 3: their own home or at the.
Speaker 4: Locations you talk about a fifty west uh.
Speaker 3: And to have a band come down in ninety days
Speaker 3: because it's about the children is offensive to everything I'm about.
Speaker 8: So not ninety days. It came down. It came down
Speaker 8: to five days.
Speaker 3: Well five days, Yeah, I guess I should say, all right, right,
Speaker 3: we're gonna have a band for ninety Yeah.
Speaker 4: I got it. It's all right, so much, Bobby appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Good luck man, Yeah, thank you, everybody. Take care. There
Speaker 4: you go, Bobby Slattery. Check it on the show this morning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look at the demand and you're telling like, wait, man,
Speaker 3: I can't have this anymore, No, you can't have this anymore.
Speaker 4: Why, Well, it's politics.
Speaker 3: Away, I'm running light I gotta get to new seven
Speaker 3: hundred wwant to.
Speaker 4: Scott clo here seven hundred WLW. Will there finally be peace?
Speaker 4: Peace in our lifetime.
Speaker 3: There's a potential to end the two year war between
Speaker 3: Israel Hamas Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he's going to
Speaker 3: convene the Israeli government. He's doing that today as we
Speaker 3: speak to ratify the Seasfire agreement, and President Trump may
Speaker 3: travel to Egypt as soon as this weekend, and that's
Speaker 3: where the talks are being held.
Speaker 4: To put in perspective.
Speaker 3: As doctor Mark Nziolaco, he's a UTI political scientist, also
Speaker 3: a Middle Eastern expert, former director International Studies Program, and
Speaker 3: founder of d's Human Rights Studies program.
Speaker 4: Mark, how you been?
Speaker 7: I'm fine?
Speaker 11: How are you?
Speaker 4: I'm fine.
Speaker 3: I think peace in the world is a good thing.
Speaker 3: I think when you see the people being ravaged, not
Speaker 3: only from what happened two years ago in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: to normal Israelis living their lives, to the bombing and
Speaker 3: suessant bombing of those in Gosam, any of those people
Speaker 3: not really other than the fact that they're chatteled in
Speaker 3: this whole mixed up conflict illustrates the absurdity and just
Speaker 3: how cruel we are to other human beings, and maybe
Speaker 3: we'll finally get peace, peace at last. And the question
Speaker 3: is will that piece last? Because I'm also well, I
Speaker 3: think the glass may be half full here. I think
Speaker 3: that there's some problems. We'll get into that. So let's
Speaker 3: talk about the deal real quick. Let me outline it
Speaker 3: in case you're not following this or just hearing it
Speaker 3: for the first time. Hamas has agreed to release all
Speaker 3: their remrining hostages Israel. We will draw their withdraw their
Speaker 3: forces back to what they call the agreed upon yellow line.
Speaker 3: And this is just the first phase of the peace agreement.
Speaker 3: So it's going to be the hostages and then Palestinian
Speaker 3: prisoners get released, and then once that's finalized and within
Speaker 3: forty eight hours, all this is going to end. But
Speaker 3: there are some bombs going off today as a matter
Speaker 3: of fact. So first and foremost is this is phase one,
Speaker 3: and that seems to be the easy phase Phase two
Speaker 3: and beyond that's probably the more difficult.
Speaker 4: Can you lay that out?
Speaker 10: Oh well, I mean, there's the twenty point plan. It
Speaker 10: was agreed to a week or so ago, very elaborate,
Speaker 10: very very elaborate, very detailed, and the phase where now
Speaker 10: is really just what or too wide of you know,
Speaker 10: the key is really getting Hamas to lay down its
Speaker 10: weapons and uh for Hamas to have no future uh
Speaker 10: in any Palestinian administration that runs that that land. And
Speaker 10: that's that's a long that's a long stretch. That's that's
Speaker 10: when you've laid the foundations for genuine peace. The smoke
Speaker 10: hasn't cleared yet from a two year and very as
Speaker 10: you say, very very bloody, very very violent war, I
Speaker 10: meant destruction on almost unimaginable levels. So I mean just
Speaker 10: psychologically and emotionally. How do people who are already each
Speaker 10: other's throats, how do they recover from this? How do
Speaker 10: they move forward?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 10: You know, gritter things maybe haven't been done, but maybe
Speaker 10: the violence was precisely so bad that everyone finally wakes
Speaker 10: up and realizes that we have to find a means
Speaker 10: to uh to coexist and live together. So I'll hope
Speaker 10: that's the goal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you hope so too. You just wonder how long
Speaker 3: it's going to last. And I kind of mentioned that
Speaker 3: in my preamble there as you know, you're the professor
Speaker 3: in this conversation. You're the student of this more than
Speaker 3: I am. I can't count how many deals we've had
Speaker 3: in the past when it comes to different accords and
Speaker 3: the like, and that's not just Hummas, but generally peace
Speaker 3: between Palestine in Israel itself. I mean, the also Accords
Speaker 3: back in the nineties, you had Camp David in two thousand,
Speaker 3: You've had summits and roadmaps for peace, and the Annapolis
Speaker 3: Conference and Trump's peace plan from five years ago, and
Speaker 3: none of them went anywhere. Why is this the one?
Speaker 10: Yeah, you're exactly right. I mean, if those couldn't take
Speaker 10: hold in a much more favorable environment a peace than now, because,
Speaker 10: as I said a moment ago, the destruction, level of
Speaker 10: destruction is so great it's not even mistrust anymore. It's deep,
Speaker 10: deep hatd hatred. So one could only hope that the
Speaker 10: violence was so immense chock everybody into into a mind
Speaker 10: a mindset for a peace. But no, at this stage,
Speaker 10: we're looking what hostage you're coming back? I mean, it's
Speaker 10: really intelligence is assessin that Hamas may even be able
Speaker 10: to return all the dead hostages because obviously because the yeah,
Speaker 10: so will we be released, which prisoners will be released
Speaker 10: what will stay? You know. Still, the big piece is
Speaker 10: does Hamas retain any any power now both within Gaza,
Speaker 10: among Palestinians and certainly vis A vis uh is real
Speaker 10: who's not going to stop huntings, you know, Israeli? So
Speaker 10: you're not going to stop hunting Hamas because they meet it.
Speaker 10: They they reached an agreement sharma shake Egypt. So I
Speaker 10: mean the roots for violence are so deep that Yeah.
Speaker 10: So it's work as you can, as the UN says,
Speaker 10: get the houses is out and get the aid in. Uh,
Speaker 10: but be realistic about uh, be realistic about the prospects
Speaker 10: for a long, long term piece.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't imagine Hamas is going to go
Speaker 3: away quiet, That's the thing is. And there's a couple
Speaker 3: of points in here too, is Hamas is going to
Speaker 3: lay down their arms and simply guy, I just don't
Speaker 3: see this as kind of like the American Revolutionary War
Speaker 3: that all these combatants lay down their arms and go
Speaker 3: back to beting gentlemen farmers.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yes, I don't see that at all.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 10: You know, I mean, you know there was back in
Speaker 10: the day, but Oswell Accords, when you know, elements at
Speaker 10: PLO fought that were coming and they had a terrorist
Speaker 10: background and they made a transition from that. But this
Speaker 10: Hamas is different like his Bulla, there's a there's a
Speaker 10: different beast. Here's the point though, Gaza is is reubble
Speaker 10: and it really needs to be rebuilt UH and innicial
Speaker 10: communities on this before port and billions and billions of dollars. Now,
Speaker 10: what happened before was Hamas hijack that process hijacked. They
Speaker 10: were able to divert those pieces to missiles and tunnels
Speaker 10: and bombs and uniforms, all those all the belligerency material
Speaker 10: for war. So in the administration of this piece, if
Speaker 10: we move forward on this twenty point plant, there's the
Speaker 10: opportunity and there's really the imperative that the global community
Speaker 10: monitor their expendors, really control that process so that by
Speaker 10: by by administering Gaza UH really marginalizing.
Speaker 8: Hamas there so.
Speaker 10: Hamas will be could be at war UH.
Speaker 8: With the self.
Speaker 10: Tell us to the ends up war with themselves. If
Speaker 10: Hamas is to retain is going to try to retain
Speaker 10: some influence.
Speaker 3: And that's the billion dollar question, man, how do you
Speaker 3: prevent that from happening? Because two things off the top
Speaker 3: of my head, mark Ensilaka would be human nature, because
Speaker 3: you know the nature of having control as power and
Speaker 3: powers that come out and fear as part of that
Speaker 3: is the current of power. And so hey, how many
Speaker 3: regimes have we seen in the history of the world
Speaker 3: where someone's taken over and organizations taken over and it's
Speaker 3: become a total power grab. And again it's the has
Speaker 3: and the have nots. We take everything, we arm up,
Speaker 3: we scare the hell out of the people, and we
Speaker 3: keep them in line, whether it's this or poll pot
Speaker 3: or anybody else. And then the other thing is just
Speaker 3: out and out graft. Yeah, okay, we're gonna have what
Speaker 3: the un oversee this? Yeah, good luck with that.
Speaker 8: Huh. Yeah.
Speaker 10: You know, there's an old expression in diplomacy that the
Speaker 10: devil lives in the details. It's easy to sort of reach.
Speaker 10: It's not easy, but it's possible to reach broad twenty
Speaker 10: point goals and have some sort of pacific vision of
Speaker 10: the future. But it's in the implement patient as you say,
Speaker 10: how many tons of food are.
Speaker 8: Going to go in per day?
Speaker 10: Really, how are we going to reconstruct the destroyed sanitation systems?
Speaker 10: I mean, really, there is an opportunity out for God
Speaker 10: as it's for pales Indians in the new administration to build,
Speaker 10: not just rebuild guys, but build a new society there.
Speaker 10: And they're going to have to do it because it's
Speaker 10: literally rubble and it's literally great loss of life, great disruption.
Speaker 10: But there's going to be a you know, there's going
Speaker 10: to be an international relief effort. I hope we're part
Speaker 10: of that and we don't have to take it over
Speaker 10: would be the number one contributed bit.
Speaker 8: We'll be involved clearly.
Speaker 10: The twenty Point Plan, as I understand it, sees a
Speaker 10: key role for a peace commission chaired by the President
Speaker 10: of the United States. So we're engaged. We're engaged right, clearly,
Speaker 10: But it's in the details. Let's get it right. Let's
Speaker 10: do it right.
Speaker 3: But the problem, and the other part of the problem
Speaker 3: to us who've seen in Afghanistan and backwards, is that
Speaker 3: we pay attention. Because we're Americans, We've got the attention
Speaker 3: span of a gnat, and we'll pay attention to what's happening.
Speaker 3: Once everything signed and the press opportunities over, we'll move
Speaker 3: on to the next shiny object, uh, and then things
Speaker 3: will fall apart in the Middle East and we'll wonder
Speaker 3: what happened. Is that a possibility?
Speaker 10: Uh yeah, I mean certainly one would in his in
Speaker 10: the Maga world. Is this is a step of involvement
Speaker 10: in other countries wars that exactly what he promised to avoid.
Speaker 10: I mean, how how will his his loyalists, his most
Speaker 10: loyal supporters, how do they see? Uh this Nobel Price
Speaker 10: comes out tomorrow, It's gonna be fascinating, uhly fascinating.
Speaker 3: That's why I want to get it done right now,
Speaker 3: because he wants he wants he wants a Nobel prize.
Speaker 10: My my guess is that the votes are at the end.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 8: It would be interesting though.
Speaker 10: Uh, you know, the name should maybe bows around at
Speaker 10: Jared Kushner. I mean, he's been working behind the scenes
Speaker 10: for a long time. I'm not I'm not I'm not
Speaker 10: nominating him by any means, but uh, there are there
Speaker 10: is a there was a there has been a great
Speaker 10: deal of behind the scenes action, uh in the Arab world,
Speaker 10: and it's gonna be fascinating to see with the passage
Speaker 10: of time what we learned about that process. History books
Speaker 10: are going to be fascinating with those period time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's doctor Mark Nsilako at the University of Dating
Speaker 3: political science professor there talking about maybe finally peace in
Speaker 3: the least between Israel and Hamas and regime change there
Speaker 3: and stopping the bombing, and it could happen relatively soon.
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister of Israel NET and Yahoo is convening
Speaker 3: the Israeli government today to vote on this to ratify
Speaker 3: the ceasefire agreement. The other side, any, I don't, We
Speaker 3: don't want to see a couple of bitter old men here.
Speaker 3: But you know we've seen this movie before, not just
Speaker 3: in our lifetime, into previous lifetimes. And you are a
Speaker 3: student of history, your political science professor, and history is
Speaker 3: the best indicator future behavior. And so if we're a
Speaker 3: little jaded and pessimistic about this, it's for good reason.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that this piece won't last. And hell,
Speaker 3: even if the piece lasts for six months, a year,
Speaker 3: two years, ten years, whatever, it is that that's better
Speaker 3: than these two sides blowing each other up, taking hostages, killing,
Speaker 3: raping women, holding people hostage, and the other side bombing
Speaker 3: the hell out of civilians.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's you just laid out of panorama. That's really frightening.
Speaker 10: I mean, yeah, I mean it's long term term. One thing,
Speaker 10: you would be always sure of the Middle East that
Speaker 10: there's something will flare up. But at the same time,
Speaker 10: and I don't want to be too optimistic about things,
Speaker 10: but the strategically the Middle East has changed a great deal.
Speaker 10: I mean because of the violence. I mean, obviously.
Speaker 8: Hamas has been.
Speaker 10: Close to being destroyed, but you know his boiler and
Speaker 10: the attack on Iran, with even the United States getting
Speaker 10: involved attacking the nuclear sites. I mean, so you hit
Speaker 10: this arc of countries that were hostile to Israel's an
Speaker 10: Israel sort of you know, took the fight to them,
Speaker 10: and that is weakened these organizations regionally and strategically. Now
Speaker 10: I'm not simply saying, you know, we're a wonderful new world,
Speaker 10: you know, post war World War two, uh uh, you
Speaker 10: know world. But yeah, there's been changes in the strategic environment,
Speaker 10: and maybe that could be a basis. I mean, you
Speaker 10: look at these golf states, Goha and all these emirates,
Speaker 10: all these they're fabulously wealthy. They're fabulously wealthy societies. And
Speaker 10: although there's an attachment of Palesiti and cause that I
Speaker 10: could rather than Protrucian. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 10: people sort of want to get out into their lives,
Speaker 10: and they'd probably rather talk to Jared Kushner about real
Speaker 10: you know, you know, Mediterranean seafront real estate. Then they'll
Speaker 10: want to run around in a singing lo roc bar
Speaker 10: uh and and blowing things up, so there could be
Speaker 10: really environment. I always argue that when I wrote my
Speaker 10: first book about violence in the Middle East complex September
Speaker 10: September eleventh, it said looking at a different war, uh,
Speaker 10: you know against Alcada in Afghanistan. I simply said, you
Speaker 10: know this wills will this will end when mothers tell
Speaker 10: their children suicide in the act of blowing someone up
Speaker 10: is not you know, jihad in a way of Allah.
Speaker 10: You know when when you dead, attitude changes, and one
Speaker 10: could probably say he is ready sit side too. Within
Speaker 10: the settler movement, the extreme sort of Zionist movements that
Speaker 10: are that have taken the vigilante law in their own hand.
Speaker 10: There's deep problems in these societies that speak against a
Speaker 10: long lasting peace. But one can build on what.
Speaker 8: Was in front of us right now.
Speaker 10: Right now, there's a lot of rebuilding, of a lot
Speaker 10: of destruction, and and make the difficult initial steps in
Speaker 10: these piece pass, make these count.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you kind of hit on it there.
Speaker 3: And the big question then to summarize what you're saying
Speaker 3: on Silaca, is this only works if both sides wanted
Speaker 3: to work.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I remember at ended a chapter in my book once
Speaker 10: where one of the leaders back in the day said,
Speaker 10: we don't want peace. Peace would end all our hopes.
Speaker 10: I mean, if that's the mentality you have, yeah, you've
Speaker 10: got that, You've got the permanent roots for for for
Speaker 10: future violence. But right now, clearly in the house to
Speaker 10: the inside is exhausted. I mean, it's really difficult to
Speaker 10: assess this because journalists have they not had access to
Speaker 10: little many have lost their lives in this conflict reporting
Speaker 10: from Gaza. But you know, one beginning to hear uh
Speaker 10: reports or inklings that Pelsis have turned on Hamas and
Speaker 10: they're saying, you know, yes, there's way these did this
Speaker 10: great distraction to us. But you provoke them, you know,
Speaker 10: you poked the bear, uh.
Speaker 7: And so you know Hamas Hamas.
Speaker 10: Militants will walk around with scars, greens, cigars are on
Speaker 10: the head and and and the goose step. But in
Speaker 10: point of fact, there is a serious, very serious defeat
Speaker 10: for them militarily and politically.
Speaker 3: And and all the only multi phaser the point program.
Speaker 3: We're just in the first couple right now. This is
Speaker 3: only phase one. So we're a long way away from
Speaker 3: lasting peace at this point, even the Seas far because
Speaker 3: bombs are going off this morning as a matter of fact.
Speaker 3: There as we moved to phase two in beyond, it
Speaker 3: was France, I believe, the first loft of the notion
Speaker 3: that Palestinian statehood should be a thing, and some other
Speaker 3: countries signed on to that and absolutely upset those of
Speaker 3: us in the West. How dare you do this? They
Speaker 3: come in two years ago and look what they did,
Speaker 3: and now you want to give them statehood and forget
Speaker 3: everything else. But it sounds like part of this plan
Speaker 3: is eventually that that's exactly what's going to happen. I mean,
Speaker 3: if Israel is pulling back to this yellow line, then
Speaker 3: I'll have a final determination where that is. That would
Speaker 3: then mean that some degree of Palestinian state right.
Speaker 10: Well, you know, I thought, I thought France and Great
Speaker 10: Britain announcing this a few weeks ago was really sort
Speaker 10: of and forgive me for putting in such plut terms,
Speaker 10: sort of you know, media just some media start there
Speaker 10: is no Palestinian state. I mean, when you say to me,
Speaker 10: show me your state, the first thing I want to
Speaker 10: know is where are the boundaries? So and then who's
Speaker 10: your leadership Hamas? I mean, it's nothing was going to
Speaker 10: come on this nonetheless, you know, and so I understand
Speaker 10: President Trump sort of trying to push back in our
Speaker 10: allies this tag back you were rewarding. You said exactly what, Scott,
Speaker 10: You're rewarding Hamas by giving them this prize. But no,
Speaker 10: the fact, the long term fact is there's going to
Speaker 10: have to be two states. So at some point you're
Speaker 10: going to so in the process of building, you know,
Speaker 10: when you when you really have to just make sanitation
Speaker 10: systems and water and deliver food and meta. You know,
Speaker 10: just the rudiments of running and government really, you know,
Speaker 10: particularly recovering one right, you can build trust, you can
Speaker 10: see that people can work together, and and that would
Speaker 10: has to be to go in building and rebuilding. I
Speaker 10: think we really have to lay the foundations build out
Speaker 10: for a long term, long term priest. But the global community,
Speaker 10: and that means the United States. What President Trump is
Speaker 10: the chairman of this this Peace Commission order it is
Speaker 10: called right, you said this right, the global communities have
Speaker 10: to stay engaged in that.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and that means the United States too, Yeah, turn.
Speaker 4: Our back on it.
Speaker 3: We turn our back on It's Afghanistan, it's Vietnam, it's
Speaker 3: all those things. And we just, you know, because the
Speaker 3: public we lose interest in and why are we supporting them?
Speaker 3: Why are we doing this? And it's it's going to
Speaker 3: be I think probably more low key than that. It's
Speaker 3: not like we have troops on the ground there, but
Speaker 3: in that regardless of this is something we're gonna have
Speaker 3: to stay on top of for a long time if
Speaker 3: you want it to work. All right, I gotta get going,
Speaker 3: Doctor Mark Anziolaco, ud I wass appreciate the time in
Speaker 3: the in the good stuff. I feel like I'm sitting
Speaker 3: in one of your classes here. Thanks again for the time.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 8: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Have a good one. Uh yeah, whether it lasts or not,
Speaker 3: we're going to find out. Although history is certainly not
Speaker 3: on their side. But man, you look at the devastation,
Speaker 3: the destruction, the human casualty is the toll, it's seventy
Speaker 3: thousand plus people. I mean, that's a lot of people dying.
Speaker 3: And now it's over and hopefully you can go back
Speaker 3: to being that gentleman farmer. I don't know if a
Speaker 3: mos is gonna lay their arms down. I don't know
Speaker 3: if that's the thing, because there's always gonna be that streak.
Speaker 3: As soon as something goes sideways, they're gonna wind up
Speaker 3: game in more power.
Speaker 4: It's just the nature of the beast.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Quick time out News on the way Sloany on
Speaker 3: seven hundred WLW.
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Speaker 4: It could only mean one thing.
Speaker 1: It's Real estate time with Michelle Slow, Remax time agent
Speaker 1: and proud proprietor of Sloan sells Homes dot com. Heed
Speaker 1: her words or face her wrath on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 3: Well, the government shutdown. You don't have many numbers to
Speaker 3: go on, and that'll be dwindling as things progress here.
Speaker 3: But there's just a gut feeling the economy isn't good.
Speaker 3: Not that it's not doing fine, it's just, you know,
Speaker 3: slowly dropping a little bit by a little bit. Unemployment
Speaker 3: remains relatively low, but housing is a big indicator. And
Speaker 3: that's where my wife Michelle comes in and looking at
Speaker 3: some of these numbers, it could be better, right, it
Speaker 3: could be better.
Speaker 15: The numbers that we have, we have a lot of
Speaker 15: new surveys coming out. They're not generated by the government necessarily,
Speaker 15: but a staggering ninety three percent of Americans believe housing
Speaker 15: costs are unreasonable.
Speaker 4: Unreasonable, six out of ten.
Speaker 11: Yeah, people, that's a lot.
Speaker 15: And only three percent of the respondent said that housing
Speaker 15: costs were actually reasonable. Now, if you're looking at your
Speaker 15: at anything, if you're taking a survey, would you actually say, ah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 11: Pretty good, The things are good, things are pretty good.
Speaker 3: Although there's another one that I saw as well, maybe
Speaker 3: you saw it too. I don't know who'd authored the study,
Speaker 3: so it's hard to say because you don't know. Could
Speaker 3: be a sample size of four people. But seven out
Speaker 3: of ten Americans young Americans believe that owning a home
Speaker 3: is a pipe dream.
Speaker 4: It will never happen.
Speaker 11: Yeah, sixty seven percent. I saw that as well.
Speaker 15: Sixty seven percent of Americans believe that home ownership is impossible. Impossible.
Speaker 15: Now that's pretty negative, pretty scary. It's pretty scary. I
Speaker 15: don't think it's impossible. But as you can see these
Speaker 15: two different things, you know, Americans are actually they're blaming
Speaker 15: everyone and you know, they feel like there's the world
Speaker 15: is against them, and the way things are it does
Speaker 15: make it difficult. I'm not going to lie. You know,
Speaker 15: everybody says we should I rent? Should I buy? You
Speaker 15: know what's the best way?
Speaker 11: Now?
Speaker 15: As a real estate agent, I'm you're going to think
Speaker 15: that I'm always going to tell you to buy, but
Speaker 15: I'm not going to tell you to buy if you're
Speaker 15: not ready, and you're going to get yourself in over
Speaker 15: your head, so you don't want.
Speaker 11: To do that.
Speaker 15: So sixty seven percent of Americans believe that home ownership
Speaker 15: is impossible. That's just crazy historic lows. And so we're
Speaker 15: we're trying to figure out how in the world can
Speaker 15: especially younger people. If you're less less than thirty half
Speaker 15: of our age, right and you don't have a home yet,
Speaker 15: how in the world do you do well?
Speaker 3: If you're saddled with student debt and you if you're
Speaker 3: someone who has to work a couple of jobs, a
Speaker 3: couple of multiple jobs. Health insurance is going to be
Speaker 3: a big issue as well. We're seeing the rates of
Speaker 3: health insurance go up and people getting dropped left and right.
Speaker 3: Don't know what's going to happen with Affordable Care Act.
Speaker 3: But I'm just talking about private insurance in that regard.
Speaker 3: That's a bad situation. We've seen generation after generation keeps
Speaker 3: delaying having children, if at all, And now we have
Speaker 3: people going, you know, I'll just have a dog. I'm fine,
Speaker 3: and not have a child, or maybe not even that.
Speaker 3: And so home ownership is not on the table for
Speaker 3: someone who can't afford a new car or a car
Speaker 3: in general, and is keeping their nose above water. And
Speaker 3: that's too any Americans, certainly, not all Americans, but it's
Speaker 3: it's the number itself is too big, and I guess
Speaker 3: that's why. And sadly at a young age. You know,
Speaker 3: you tend to be more optimistic when you're younger, but
Speaker 3: younger people today tend to be.
Speaker 4: More pessimistic, okay.
Speaker 3: And that has to do with social media, I think,
Speaker 3: and a lot of other factors as well, and some
Speaker 3: of the thoughts.
Speaker 15: As you know, people will make assumptions just based on
Speaker 15: their little world around themselves. Right, half of Americans are
Speaker 15: actually blaming investors for unreasonable housing costs because the thought
Speaker 15: is that investors are buying up all of the available properties,
Speaker 15: and actually that's not true, and it's hard to. You know,
Speaker 15: people believe what they believe, but it's it's not always true.
Speaker 15: It's it's very popular to blame investors, but the housing
Speaker 15: economics is more still that same old adage of supply
Speaker 15: and the driving cost is that we have a shortage
Speaker 15: of actual homes that are available to purchase, and investors
Speaker 15: only accounted for thirteen percent of home purchases in twenty
Speaker 15: twenty four. Thirteen percent. That's not very many. And most
Speaker 15: of those home purchases by investors were from mom and
Speaker 15: pop investors.
Speaker 11: So maybe it is.
Speaker 15: Mom and dad or grandma and grandpa who are helping
Speaker 15: the younger generation purchase their first home. And that's still
Speaker 15: considered an investment if you're not living in the property.
Speaker 15: So investors definitely own their share of housing stock, there's
Speaker 15: no question about it. But as far as that goes,
Speaker 15: they don't own it all. And investors are not the
Speaker 15: bad guy. You're always looking for a bad guy.
Speaker 3: Well they are when okay, here are these odd of
Speaker 3: state companies come in by a whole bunch of houses
Speaker 3: up and pay fairly well for them. But the problem,
Speaker 3: of course is the maintenance and the upkeep on them.
Speaker 3: And when you're not doing that when you're not doing
Speaker 3: your due diligence and making sure that you know the
Speaker 3: housing is actually a livable that causes the problem. But right, yeah,
Speaker 3: the numbers are what they are, right, So what one
Speaker 3: not every five.
Speaker 15: Investors about thirteen to fifteen percent?
Speaker 4: Yeah, lower than I thought.
Speaker 15: Yeah, and that's where you know, those statistics were from
Speaker 15: realtor dot com, So pretty reliable source beyond investors and
Speaker 15: material costs that are making it difficult and unreasonable as
Speaker 15: far as housing costs are concerned. The third big let's
Speaker 15: let's see who we can blame is politicians. Politicians are
Speaker 15: being blamed for the lack of affordable homes. And you know,
Speaker 15: again it's all about the economy and the how you
Speaker 15: everybody feels about the economy and their own situation. I
Speaker 15: know that it is a lot of doom and gloom
Speaker 15: in that younger generation. They sure you're like it's impossible
Speaker 15: to get ahead.
Speaker 4: Social discord read it.
Speaker 3: I mean, all that stuff is pretty toxic and negative
Speaker 3: if you look at it, and if that's a steady
Speaker 3: dat or you get your information, you know, the world sucks.
Speaker 4: There's no there's nothing good happening.
Speaker 15: Right and them you consider to be fed that negative energy.
Speaker 15: I'm going to say, and here's the thing. Is it
Speaker 15: harder to buy a home than when we bought our
Speaker 15: first home?
Speaker 11: Yes, I believe it is.
Speaker 15: Because sure, But at the same time, there are a
Speaker 15: lot of things that young people can do to if
Speaker 15: that's something that they want to do. If you want
Speaker 15: to buy a home, you need to do some planning,
Speaker 15: and you need to do some saving. And if you
Speaker 15: want to rent the rest of your life and you
Speaker 15: don't want the responsibility of buying a home, that's something
Speaker 15: you can absolutely do. But you will never build wealth, right,
Speaker 15: or at least it will be more difficult, let's put
Speaker 15: it that way.
Speaker 4: I mean you can, but plenty of people do that
Speaker 4: in rent.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of the things you hear, and I hear this
Speaker 3: from older people too, is well, why don't you just
Speaker 3: they just need to work harder, They.
Speaker 4: Just need to save, they need to think.
Speaker 3: Well, you know that that because when I was your age,
Speaker 3: I well, when I was your age, it was like,
Speaker 3: you know, you could have a job. And I pointed
Speaker 3: this out the other day with college, you know, and
Speaker 3: we subsidized college. And as an example, like generations ago,
Speaker 3: will he talks about this like he went to college,
Speaker 3: paid for it himself. There was no scholarships or anything
Speaker 3: like that, right, owned a house, had a job, had
Speaker 3: a family, traveled, you know, did all this stuff and
Speaker 3: did it on a part time salary. Basically, that's laughable
Speaker 3: by today's standards. No one can do that.
Speaker 11: No, not not, I don't.
Speaker 4: We would go to college, work part time and have
Speaker 4: a house. How is that possible?
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's it's extremely difficult because actually, and you talked
Speaker 15: about it, most cars, the payment on a car, and
Speaker 15: it's like a mortgage, is like a mortgage. And so
Speaker 15: the average cost of a home in Cincinnati is between
Speaker 15: right around three hundred thousand dollars, And it used to
Speaker 15: be you could buy your starter home at one hundred
Speaker 15: thousand dollars or less, right, And you know, you're not
Speaker 15: seeing that anymore now. Of course, it's just the cost
Speaker 15: of living is so much different now than it was.
Speaker 11: But if you look at what people.
Speaker 15: Are being paid, it's not always it doesn't matter for decades.
Speaker 4: Now, Well, what's happened.
Speaker 3: There's been a disconnect between wages and the GDP like
Speaker 3: it used to prior to nineteen eighty right about there,
Speaker 3: it used to say, you know, once GDP went up,
Speaker 3: once your company's making more money, employees make more money,
Speaker 3: and it lifts all boats. And we kind of went
Speaker 3: in the other direction there, and now this is decades
Speaker 3: of that. So if you don't have enough money to
Speaker 3: buy what you're making it work or service you're giving
Speaker 3: it work, then that's what's going to happen in the economy.
Speaker 3: Most of it's a consumer economy here. I mean, we're
Speaker 3: still doing fairly well by world standards, but for younger
Speaker 3: people they feel left out. And it's a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of reasons.
Speaker 11: Why it is. But you here's the thing.
Speaker 15: If you want to buy a home, you can, and
Speaker 15: so it's going to take the planning of saving because
Speaker 15: you need a down payment. It's going to take making
Speaker 15: sure that your credit is not in the crapper right,
Speaker 15: you know, talk to.
Speaker 4: Someone another failure of the education system.
Speaker 15: Well and credit people look at the credit and we
Speaker 15: know people very close to us who have maxed out
Speaker 15: all those credit cards and then only make the minimum payment.
Speaker 11: You'll never ever.
Speaker 3: Ever catch up and then complain about not getting head.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, you went on vacation, you couldn't afford
Speaker 3: you know, you're getting whatever you're spending your money on.
Speaker 3: Lifestyle is so it's like, well, I want to we
Speaker 3: want to live for now, and you know, you never know.
Speaker 4: It's try it.
Speaker 3: Tomorrow's not promise, but then it's a priority. It's like,
Speaker 3: if you want to live for now, then you're never
Speaker 3: going to be able to save enough to buy a house.
Speaker 11: So I think for many, many years we didn't have
Speaker 11: any fun.
Speaker 4: We did not have any fun. We still don't have
Speaker 4: that much fun.
Speaker 11: Well, I think we have some fun.
Speaker 3: It's fun, yeah, but I get it. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: people there's something to be said about living in the moment.
Speaker 3: We try to do that, but when you're coming up,
Speaker 3: it's awfully hard.
Speaker 15: It absolutely is. So you know, you can rent and
Speaker 15: you can find ways. It may just it may be different.
Speaker 15: The way things are done today is different than the
Speaker 15: way we did it, as it will be tomorrow and
Speaker 15: it will and that's just part of life and you
Speaker 15: have to figure it out. So if you want to
Speaker 15: buy a home, you're going to have to start planning
Speaker 15: and it could take a year, it could take two years.
Speaker 11: Here's one thing.
Speaker 15: The statistic is just in the last seven days in Cincinnati,
Speaker 15: over five hundred homes had a price reduction. Okay, what
Speaker 15: does that tell you? What it tells me is there
Speaker 15: are opportunities out there because homes are sitting on the
Speaker 15: market longer and sellers are starting to get little nervous.
Speaker 15: We're going into those colder months. And if your home
Speaker 15: is sitting on the market, you have two choices. You
Speaker 15: can Number one, lower the price. Number two, you can
Speaker 15: just sit on it. And the longer that it sits,
Speaker 15: the longer that it will sit. You know, if you
Speaker 15: do nothing, likely nothing is going to happen. You can
Speaker 15: do updates and relist the property and try to, you know,
Speaker 15: improve the property. But it's always about condition, location, and price.
Speaker 15: A home will sell. We know that from twenty years
Speaker 15: ago when we had the Great Recession, when homes were
Speaker 15: on the market for a year or more, they eventually sold.
Speaker 15: Now did they get the prices that the sellers wanted?
Speaker 11: Not always.
Speaker 3: It's not work. No, you don't get to set them.
Speaker 3: The market sets the rate for night.
Speaker 15: So a home is you can price it as high
Speaker 15: as your names sold two years ago. But two years
Speaker 15: ago we were kind of at the height of the market.
Speaker 15: We aren't there anymore.
Speaker 4: So we are you saying houses are decreasing in value?
Speaker 4: Is that what you just said?
Speaker 15: I am saying we are definitely seeing a more stable
Speaker 15: type of a situation.
Speaker 4: So by now this is a money loser, is what I.
Speaker 11: Cannot say that. I did not say that. No, here's
Speaker 11: the thing.
Speaker 15: You're not going to be You're as not reasonable to
Speaker 15: think you're gonna make ten percent on your home every year,
Speaker 15: year after year.
Speaker 4: You don't do that. The markets you're not gonna tell.
Speaker 15: You you're not going to So right now we're more stable.
Speaker 15: You may only see a one percent increase. You may
Speaker 15: not see the giant, ginormous increase in your in the
Speaker 15: value of your.
Speaker 11: Home, all right.
Speaker 4: Bottom line, bottom.
Speaker 15: Line is if you want to buy a home, you
Speaker 15: can don't believe all the hype in it and all
Speaker 15: of the headlines because yeah, headlines are just headlines. They're
Speaker 15: there to scare you, right, and don't be scared clickbait,
Speaker 15: that's right, Watch out for the clickbait.
Speaker 11: That's right.
Speaker 3: You want to know that you spend a lot of
Speaker 3: time in the evening hours when you're not working. You
Speaker 3: work awfully hard, but at home you're clickbait.
Speaker 15: And everything I do tend to look at a headline
Speaker 15: and then oh, never mind, not true.
Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey's coming to the Bengals. No he's not, Michelle,
Speaker 3: you said he's coming to Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: It's coming for the game. That's not what this says.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah it does.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, it does.
Speaker 4: Swipe.
Speaker 11: So you have to read the fine print.
Speaker 4: In the fine print.
Speaker 11: And if you have a question, call me. Michelle Sloan's
Speaker 11: loans hell sloms dot com.
Speaker 4: Do you like that, Yeah, it's really good. Just talk
Speaker 4: to her. Yeah, just call her to say hot, you
Speaker 4: can't yet a little bit, Yeah she does. She's chatty.
Speaker 4: She's chatty that way.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 4: My wife, Michelle actually talked all about real estate today. Nothing. Uh.
Speaker 4: And then you're still driving me around for another week.
Speaker 15: So yeah, I'm still driving mister Daisy. It's it's getting
Speaker 15: he's kind of getting old, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you got to get up. You used to
Speaker 4: sleep in.
Speaker 15: It's a kindergarten situation. Remember when the kids were in
Speaker 15: kindergarten and they were only in school for a short time,
Speaker 15: and then it's like you just get started on a
Speaker 15: broad turn back, turn around and go pick them up again.
Speaker 4: It is like kindergarten.
Speaker 15: It's like for you, it's kindergarten. I have to get
Speaker 15: up earlier than I liked to you and then I
Speaker 15: have to turn around and get you up, get you,
Speaker 15: pick you up around noon.
Speaker 3: And funny part the first day she did that here,
Speaker 3: she actually took a sign instead where I was supposed
Speaker 3: to go and pinned it to my shirt. All right,
Speaker 3: my wife Michelle Sloan Slow Sloan sells homes dot com
Speaker 3: open house show that's on the iHeartRadio app where you
Speaker 3: get your podcast also YouTube as well. In Mainville, Remax time,
Speaker 3: gotta go, love you, thanks again, and uh, all right,
Speaker 3: you go warm the car up for a couple of
Speaker 3: mon's kind of cool out this money. You go, warm
Speaker 3: the car up, go downstairs, pull it around.
Speaker 11: I'll warm it up. Warm her.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. Maybe I'm gonna milk you like this.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna milk this leg thing for a long time.
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