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Speaker 1: Do you want to be in a Man County?

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go at this Bengals Hangover Monday

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Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: Awful, right, awful.

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Speaker 2: There's the old adage about, hey, you get enough crumbs,

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Speaker 2: you make a loaf, and that's true a lot of things,

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Speaker 2: especially money, enough crumbs you make a loaf. So Hamlin

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Speaker 2: County is considering a one mill increase in the real

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Speaker 2: estate transfer text the hold on second, I have no

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Speaker 2: idea what this means. So a millage basically is a

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Speaker 2: dollar for every thousand dollars that your purchase price is.

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Speaker 2: So you know, you buy three hundred thousand dollars house

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Speaker 2: every thousand dollars. Do the math, and that's paid by

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Speaker 2: the subtle closing. So you already have a transfer tax

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Speaker 2: in Warren County, Butler Count's about three dollars per thousand.

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Speaker 2: In Clare Mountain, Hamlin County it's four dollars per thousand,

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Speaker 2: and now Hamlin County wants to add another buck to that.

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Speaker 2: Joining the show this morning on seven hundred WLW is

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Speaker 2: Commissioner Elesa Reese Hope, trust you ad a good weekend?

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Speaker 1: Alicia? How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good but not good about this proposal. It's

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Speaker 3: been a rough a rough month, a rough year. You know,

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Speaker 3: I was young the last time I was on. We

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Speaker 3: were talking about the affordability, the snap benefits, and I've

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Speaker 3: been out there, you know, trying to help people. Of course,

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Speaker 3: the government's opening back up, but they didn't cash at

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Speaker 3: us the money. You know, we don't have it right now.

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Speaker 3: We're still operating, you know, on a skeleton. And so

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Speaker 3: we've got the five one to three relief bus out there.

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Speaker 4: I've been out there.

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Speaker 3: We've we've we've had the bus and cleeves. We're getting ready.

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Speaker 3: We've been in Mount Healthy, We're going to we're getting

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Speaker 3: ready to go to a new Hope and Avendale this

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Speaker 3: week in Bethel and Wanner Hills food deserts. But I've

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Speaker 3: been seeing and talking to people, you know, just middle

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Speaker 3: class family's, even veterans who've been there. And while we're

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Speaker 3: you know, there's still affordability because everything is going up

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Speaker 3: and it's just making it harder and harder to afford anything.

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Speaker 3: And so now we're getting ready to do the county

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Speaker 3: budget and we get the proposed budget from the administrator.

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Speaker 4: That's how it goes. He gives us his budget and.

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Speaker 3: Then we've got to go in and look at it.

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Speaker 3: And the thing that stuck out to me, I'm looking

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Speaker 3: at the budget because I'm trying to figure out how

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Speaker 3: can we make it affordable for folks who are out

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Speaker 3: here struggling in Hamilton County. You know, the homeowners and

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Speaker 3: you know me, I'm trying to help grandma and grandpa

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Speaker 3: hold onto their house too. When we talk about we

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Speaker 3: say we want to have affordable housing. Affordable housing is

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Speaker 3: not just new housing. It's helping people hold on to

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Speaker 3: the house they already have. And as you know on

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Speaker 3: this show, I've been with you. We've been fighting on

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Speaker 3: these property taxes. And while you know, the state has

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Speaker 3: with a better formula, and how they fund public education

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Speaker 3: can't be on the backs of property taxes. But at

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Speaker 3: the same same time, the county has some things that

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Speaker 3: they can do, and I wanted to look everything we've doing.

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Speaker 3: One of those things was the thirty percent they promised.

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Speaker 3: The voters went out voted for two stadiums. Is the

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Speaker 3: only time the voters got to vote on this, and

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Speaker 3: thirty percent property texts rollbacks for the county's portion. And

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Speaker 3: since I've been there, this is my fifth year, my

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Speaker 3: you know, a couple times, but every year we got

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Speaker 3: this new Bengal deal. You know, three hundred million dollars

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Speaker 3: to the homeowners, as I was telling you, And in

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Speaker 3: this budget, the administrator only recommends for about four point

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Speaker 3: five percent rollback. Now we went from thirty to now

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Speaker 3: he's recommending single digits for the peace people. And then

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Speaker 3: on top of that, if you try to sell your house,

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Speaker 3: And then we talk about taking a million that would

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Speaker 3: toward CDF. Who does affordable housing. We did sixty million

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Speaker 3: That was a one time thing, and we've been doing

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Speaker 3: which we've supported, but now we've got to make sure

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Speaker 3: Worked pages dues, he retired, and now he's going to

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Speaker 3: So we have to be mindful as we're going into

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Speaker 3: robing the homeowners.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let me.

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Speaker 1: Shut this up.

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Speaker 2: Alicia Race Hamilin County can let this up because at

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Speaker 2: the intro I said, you know you already have you

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Speaker 2: already have property tax valuation in skyrocket. He mentioned the

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Speaker 2: rollback got it this year. Who knows it's going happened

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Speaker 2: Baller County about three dollars per thousand dollars worth of house.

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Speaker 2: So three hundred dollars three in a thousand dollars house. Right,

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Speaker 2: that's how millage work, called millage Claremont County and Hamlin County,

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Speaker 2: be five. Would be the highest tax around in the

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Speaker 2: So what am I getting in Hamlin County that would

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Speaker 3: Well? I think you raised a great question. I mean

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Speaker 3: you know, how how is this affordable because some people

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Speaker 3: But we can't be the champion in Hamilton County that

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Speaker 3: And again, we can't have you know, I was telling

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Speaker 3: and let's just keep putting extra burden on them. And

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Speaker 3: then in the same meeting, we'll have a big idea

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Speaker 3: find the money. We can find this. And I told him,

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Speaker 3: I said, let's think a lot more creative, but we

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Speaker 3: I said, well, let's give the home owner thirty percent break.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, we can't afford that. Oh no, we can't

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Speaker 3: give them a break. We can't give them a break

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Speaker 1: And so let you have money to do the stadium.

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Speaker 2: And I think the way this team is this year,

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Speaker 2: that's just bad optics.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're giving them guaranteed, which you say, three

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Speaker 3: these other deals, I'm starting to see you see Denver,

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Speaker 3: the trend we have. The trend of these NFL stadiums.

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Speaker 3: The owners are putting in a lot more money because

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Speaker 3: they know that the taxpayers are not putting up with it.

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Speaker 4: You see it.

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Speaker 3: You saw that in Kansas City. They put it they

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Speaker 3: the people said, we'll give you a parade, but we're

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Speaker 3: not going to tax We're not going to increase our taxes.

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Speaker 3: We'll give you a parade, though, And so if you

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Speaker 3: look at Denver, you look at all these other teams

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Speaker 3: when they're doing these new deals, they're including the taxpayers

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Speaker 3: that they're in terms of a break for the taxpayers,

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Speaker 3: they're putting up their private You look at you know,

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Speaker 3: don't even have to guarantee. They don't even have to

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Speaker 3: do that. And then when I said, well what about

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Speaker 3: the homeowns, well no we can't. We're only gonna do

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Speaker 3: I mean, we are in affordability fight right now, and Sloan,

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Speaker 3: like you said, all these things come together. It's not

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Speaker 3: you said, other.

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Speaker 2: Counting countries, right, and it's people go around three hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars house. Not okay, it's a but again, enough

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Speaker 2: crumbs you make a loaf. And I get we're Jeff

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Speaker 2: Aluto County administrators. He's that's a difficult budget to balance.

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 2: You got a budget that's going to be about three

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Speaker 2: point three percent from this past year, just north of

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Speaker 2: four hundred million dollars is the number. And you know,

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Speaker 2: when you have expenditures growing just the rate of inflation

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Speaker 2: and the growth and revenue is not there. You got

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Speaker 2: to look at getting other income sources in there too,

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Speaker 2: because you have it's mandated you balance a budget. So

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Speaker 2: in your world, Alisha Rees said, what do you do?

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Speaker 2: How do you balance a budget and get the same

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I think number one, you look at all funds.

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Speaker 3: You don't look at each deal as a separate deal.

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Speaker 3: And that's what we've been doing. We should have been

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Speaker 3: saying that when we had the Bengals deal, we need

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Speaker 3: to look at everything and say, well wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: if we do this, it's going to hurt over here.

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Speaker 3: We need to be looking at all things. But we

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Speaker 3: don't do that. We look at a big deal comes

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Speaker 3: in and we find money, and then we come back

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Speaker 3: and now say, oh we can't balance the budget. Now

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Speaker 3: we won't be able to. I think you start off

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Speaker 3: with who you know, who are we supposed to be representing?

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Speaker 3: Who are our shareholders? And you go and say, okay,

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Speaker 3: our shareholders are taxpayers of Hamilton County. So we got

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Speaker 3: the number one, keep that first and foremost in the forefront,

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Speaker 3: and as you saw in that article, they'll be taken

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Speaker 3: right If the person can't afford it, they're going to

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Speaker 2: But relative to this, and by increasing the millage to

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Speaker 3: The bottom line is we just can't keep adding to

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Speaker 3: And again a million dollars is not going to not

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Speaker 3: I'm fighting it, but keep your eyes open. So closing

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make it attractive to want to, you know,

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Speaker 2: particular in Hamlin County. She's Commissioner Alisha Reese all over

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Speaker 2: this one. I know it's kind of a minor point.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all adds up, Sloan. And at the end of

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Speaker 2: You're a fiscal pit bull. Reese, You're a fiscal pit bull.

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Speaker 2: All right, take care of there you go. We got

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Speaker 2: So we got that going on, which is terrible. Sloany

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Speaker 1: Forty years ago.

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Speaker 2: Today this song by Starship number one of the Billboard

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Speaker 2: I think Billboard said worst song ever, you'd be the judge.

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Speaker 2: Decades later, after it become Jefferson Air Plet became Jefferson

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Speaker 2: You could reregorate the turf tost something else could happen.

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Speaker 1: It is over.

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Speaker 2: you do it after the New England loss, because that's

431
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Speaker 2: going to happen. I don't see how New England. I mean,

432
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 2: they're kind of due, but is this a team to

433
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Speaker 2: knock off New England? I don't think so. You can

434
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Speaker 2: feel good about Baltimore. Buffalo seems like a coin toss,

435
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: and Miami is also a coin toss. But by then

436
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: it may be over. If it's not over today, we'll

437
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 2: talk to James Repeen later, like eleven thirty five on

438
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 2: this on seven hundred WLW. It just feels like, yeah,

439
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: you watch this and go, my god, you just find

440
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Speaker 2: new ways to lose.

441
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Speaker 4: You know.

442
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Speaker 1: Was the the defense played?

443
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Speaker 2: Okay, say, maybe like Gino Stone and some other guys

444
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 2: are terrible, but they hung in there for most of

445
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: the game first half of the game, and of Mason

446
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: Rover comes in and now the offense gives up fourteen

447
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: points the offense gave up fourteen.

448
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: It's insane. I'm banking on the some.

449
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 2: Sort of special teams collapse next week and you know,

450
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: three fumbles on kickoffs or something like that. Who knows,

451
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: we'll come up with We'll come up with new schemes

452
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: to lose here in Cincinnati, Ohio.

453
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 1: How the stuff going on? Do you agree with this?

454
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: Michelle Obama believes that Americans are not ready to elect

455
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Speaker 2: a female to the White House, and that, in her opinion,

456
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: is evidenced by Kamala Harris's loss in the twenty twenty

457
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: four presidential election. She's pushing another book of the books

458
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: she has. She's got to lead the I think the

459
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Speaker 2: all time first lady team in books. Published one of

460
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Speaker 2: her books you can crank out, But none of saying

461
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Speaker 2: you're not ready for a woman.

462
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Speaker 1: You're not.

463
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Speaker 2: And this is the same thing what happened when Hillary

464
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Speaker 2: could win. It is the fact she's a woman, or

465
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: is the fact that you're just a flawed candidate. Now,

466
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: some people may say the left rood's, oh yeah, we

467
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 2: turn around elected Trump. Well, it's kind of the devil

468
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 2: you know versus the devil you don't know. I don't

469
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Speaker 2: think anyone really felt confident, especially in the eleventh hour

470
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Speaker 2: that Kamala Harris and based on what she said in

471
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: her performance that she just seemed like she was empty,

472
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: like an empty suit, And so people voted ay that

473
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: somehow it's every time a female loses, it's got to

474
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Speaker 2: be sexism, much like someone of color loses, it's got

475
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: to be racism, or it could just be they just

476
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: people don't agree with their policies. Like it's not like

477
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: the Democrats are sitting in the world on fire right now.

478
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: That's a party that is completely out of control, like

479
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: a leadership. I mean, Chuck Schumer is on the hot seat,

480
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: if not on the way out at this point, he

481
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: may be gone before Zach Taylor, by the way.

482
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Speaker 1: So yeah, the.

483
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Speaker 2: Idea that it's not like we don't have female governors

484
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: and other females and leadership positions around, Like if that

485
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Speaker 2: were true, then you wouldn't have female governors and at

486
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Speaker 2: some point will it lacked a female president. We will,

487
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: But you know you can't just simply so what you're

488
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: saying is, you know, if you want to stamp out sexism,

489
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Speaker 2: the way to do that is to vote for someone

490
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Speaker 2: because of their gender. Skin color. That's the exactly opposite

491
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Speaker 2: of why I should vote for one. I don't get it.

492
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Speaker 2: We're seeing a number of young women now expressing it

493
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Speaker 2: as especially young women, to move out of the United

494
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Speaker 2: States because of this. Over the last two decades, in

495
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Speaker 2: the fifteen to forty four year old age group, forty

496
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Speaker 2: percent of women expressed a desire to immigrate. That's four

497
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Speaker 2: times higher than it was ten years ago. Nineteen percent

498
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: of men in the same group expressed a desire to

499
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Speaker 2: move top countries Canada, New Zealand, Italy, and Japan. The

500
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Speaker 2: fascination in Italy is incredible to me. Just love the

501
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: talking one of these people going, okay, so what is

502
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: it about Italy? Well, yeah they have if you think

503
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: the nepotism or nepotism, but also the sexism and racism

504
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: is worse here, pretty bad in Italy. I was talking

505
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: to someone who friends of theirs had moved to Spain

506
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Speaker 2: their expats. So they moved to Spain two months ago,

507
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: and Okay, we got to get out of here. This

508
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 2: climate is too much, The political climate is terrible. Trump's

509
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: running things the ground. We gotta get out. We're going

510
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: to We're gonna be we're gonna keep our American citizen.

511
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: We're moving to Spain. Guess who's coming back to two

512
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: months later? Because all the things you take for granted

513
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: they don't have in Spain. One of the ones is

514
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: that I heard was having a having a dryer, Like

515
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that was like one of the

516
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: big things, but you go, what they don't have dryer. No,

517
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: everyone hangs their laundry out, I guess, And it was

518
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: like I missed my dryer. Yeah, it's you're gonna a

519
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: lot of things you take for granted in America and

520
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: you go abroad. It's different when you're on vacation, traveling,

521
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: I guess, looks great because you're you know, you're in

522
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: a hotel, Airbnb or whatever. It's fine, but living there

523
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: is a different toury entirely. And so it was two

524
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Speaker 2: months going, uh, yeah, you know what, we made a mistake.

525
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Speaker 1: We're coming back.

526
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Speaker 2: You hear about the people leaving the United States, but

527
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: you wonder about those who do it and go Either

528
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: they come back or they begrudgingly go, Okay, this is

529
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: not what I expected it to be. But I can't

530
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: come back as I lose face. I just you just wonder.

531
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some people that move in abroad it

532
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: are totally happy and confident, but you know people coming back.

533
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: You hear about them leaving, but you don't hear stories

534
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: about how many people go. I made a mistake, Yes,

535
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: is not what I thought it is. Yeah, we've got

536
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: some problems, but it's good to be home. Just something

537
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: to be said about that. And then that group coming

538
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: up at eleven, I'm sorry to eleven. How about ten

539
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: oh seven? Greg mursaid, is here. Have you heard about this?

540
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: There's a debate now and I'll have some lawmakers on

541
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: about this at some point in the near future for sure.

542
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: And the debate is over teenagers working. So it's I

543
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: think send Bill fifty. I want to say something along

544
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: those lines. It'll allow teenagers who are fourteen years old

545
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Speaker 2: fifteen years old to work until nine o'clock throughout the

546
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Speaker 2: school year. As it stands right now, the law says

547
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: that you can work till nine during the summer or

548
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: during a school holiday or maybe on the weekends, but

549
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: you can't work past seven on a school night, and

550
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: they want to change that to nine pm. So letting

551
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: a teenager younger than sixteen or per seven and nine.

552
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: As long as the teen has the permission of the

553
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 2: parent or guardian, that's what they want to do. And

554
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: it seems to me like, you know, if you're fourteen fifteen,

555
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: you work in your hustland working an extra hour or

556
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Speaker 2: two if at a grocery store or busting tables or

557
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: working at fast food, whatever it might be, and there's

558
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: limited things you can do there as well, it seem

559
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: seems like a good thing. And there's a representative Lauren

560
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: McNally out of Youngstown Democrat says that she was shocked

561
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: about this. How dare we pretend that putting fourteen year

562
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Speaker 2: olds on late night shifts in dangerous workplaces is somehow

563
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: helping families. It's not helping anyone. It's exploitation, plain and simple. Well,

564
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: mom and dad are signing off on that it's not exploitation.

565
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: It's parental choice. Secondly, nine o'clock is not exactly a

566
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Speaker 2: late night shift. Like if you know your typical fourteen

567
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Speaker 2: fifteen to mid twenties thirty, you know they are nocturnal creatures.

568
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: You know.

569
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Speaker 2: The whole thing is when you're older now, you go

570
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: to bed about the time somebody young is getting up,

571
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: And it's true.

572
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: It's your body clock.

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00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: Your body clock's just different at that age, right, you're

574
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: more nocturnal.

575
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Speaker 1: You want to stay up all night.

576
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: And that's why I think kids have trouble in schooling, like,

577
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: is because you're trying to force into the daytime ours

578
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: for obvious reasons, when in fact they're more nocturnal. You know, hell,

579
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: now I'm going home at ten o'clock. And when I was,

580
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: you know, thirty years ago, you'd be going out at

581
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: ten o'clock. But fourteen fifteen year old's say, how many

582
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: are staying up gaming, how many are going to I

583
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: don't know sports practices, and things like why is that

584
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: any different? Like why would it be different if you're

585
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: up studying or gaming or at practice or whatever it is,

586
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: you're still at past nine o'clock, Like, well, what is

587
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: the bedtime of your typical fourteen fifteen year old?

588
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: It's not nine.

589
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: It might be ten o'clock, maybe eleven o'clock, but certainly

590
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: not nine o'clock gives you an extra hour. It sounds like,

591
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: you know, they're forcing I could see or it's like, hey,

592
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: you know what, we're just getting rid of the rules

593
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: entire that you can work till you can do an

594
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Speaker 2: overnight shift if you want, you know, work it to

595
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Speaker 2: work till two in the morning or midnight. It's fill extreme,

596
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: but nine o'clock doesn't seem unreasonable at all. And the

597
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: idea that this is somehow exploiting kids. Yeah, if the

598
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: parents are consenting to this and sign off, that's not exploitation.

599
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: That's the parents going, yeah, I want my kid to

600
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: work and have a job if maybe the household needs

601
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: some money, or maybe they should have their own money,

602
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: or maybe you have a strong work ethic at that age.

603
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: And the idea that somehow work and work is a

604
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: bad thing, it's look this, my god, it's it's slave.

605
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: You're indenturing these kids in the servitude and now it's

606
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: just working. You learn at an early age how to

607
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: hustle for a buck. You learn and the host of

608
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: problem things. Now i'll get in this with my guest,

609
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: but you learn so many things in your first job.

610
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: You know, setting expectations and budgeting and being accountable and

611
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: managing people and managing and dealing with superiors and all

612
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: the headaches of working in the in the real world.

613
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: You learn how to solve conflict in real time too.

614
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: By the way, I think that's a great lesson for

615
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: any kid, but certainly by the time you're fourteen fifteen

616
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: it seems to work out. So anyway, that's what they

617
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: want to pass in Ohio. And there's some pushback on

618
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: this one, not from all, but the idea here is

619
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Speaker 2: that you know, it's fourteen fifteen year olds also make

620
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: a federal minimum wages seven twenty five an hour, which

621
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: is less than ten seventy because well, your skill set

622
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: is less than that. When you're fourteen or fifteen and

623
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: you start somewhere, you start at the bottom. Is that exploitative? No,

624
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: you're you're probably producing less. And also the idea that

625
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: somehow this is more dangerous, this dangerous environment they're working in.

626
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, are you out there, you're work in

627
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: a nuclear facility? Are you what do you do when

628
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: you butcher in hogs?

629
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Speaker 4: Like?

630
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: I don't know about other states, but I was pretty

631
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: strict about what they can do and what they can have.

632
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: I think, even like the work in the fast foods,

633
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: they can only work some certain things. If I'm not

634
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: mistaken anyway. More in this after a ten o'clock here

635
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: with gregmor sat here on seven hundred WW Scott Sloan Show,

636
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: also happening today. We I hadn't a chance to maybe

637
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: I'll save this for tomorrow a little bit more about

638
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: I had a chance to look through some of the

639
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: Epstein stuff as well.

640
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: It's not good.

641
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: I think it's fascinating the breakup though between between Donald

642
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: Trump and uh MTG and him going after her calling

643
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: a range, a ranting lunatic and a trader. Somehow, Boy

644
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: a lot of people who stood by Trump even when

645
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Speaker 2: it's inexplicable, and she would be one of those people.

646
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Speaker 2: But somehow now she's a trader. And even now they're

647
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Speaker 2: going to turn around and they're going to release, allegedly

648
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Speaker 2: release all this stuff.

649
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Speaker 1: And why would they do that?

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Speaker 2: Well, because I think they also know that there are

651
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Speaker 2: things that they can resist and hopefully get a vote against.

652
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Speaker 2: We'll find out probably pick this up more, but one

653
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Speaker 2: of the more fascinating stories over the weekend watching that

654
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Speaker 2: that whole thing play out. Get the popcorn right news

655
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Speaker 2: on the way. We'll get you updated roads, traffic, weather,

656
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Speaker 2: all that stuff, and Mortifile coming up here ten six

657
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Speaker 2: today with Greg Marsett and teenage work rules about to

658
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Speaker 2: change in Ohio seven hundred WWT Cincinnati slowly on seven

659
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Speaker 2: hundred WLW. There's a new piece of legislation working his

660
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Speaker 2: way through the house. They want to increase the work

661
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Speaker 2: hours for teenagers up to a certain age till nine

662
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Speaker 2: o'clock PM. And there's a fight against us saying, you know,

663
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Speaker 2: it's indentured servitude, and you're going to ruin kids' lives

664
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Speaker 2: and just what we need more people than the workforce,

665
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Speaker 2: and granted, kids like money, and we miss out on

666
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Speaker 2: the value of working at a young age. You know,

667
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Speaker 2: nine o'clock doesn't on the school night, doesn't seem that

668
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Speaker 2: light quite honestly, considering kids and athletics and everything else

669
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Speaker 2: will stay up till well pass that because well, athletics,

670
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Speaker 2: if you want to work, I think that should be encouraged,

671
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Speaker 2: certainly at midnight one am. But nine o'clock seems reasonable

672
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Speaker 2: for teenagers, don't you. And then the question is, well,

673
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Speaker 2: how young is too young for a kid to do something,

674
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Speaker 2: to do a test, to do something age appropriate and work.

675
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Speaker 2: And that's where my guest comes it to him is

676
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Speaker 2: Greg Mercaid. He's a financial planner locally here in Cincinnati,

677
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Speaker 2: and it developed an app to help kids sort through this. Greg, welcome,

678
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Speaker 2: how are you.

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Speaker 6: I'm doing great, Thanks for having me on, sir.

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Speaker 2: Let's start at the beginning here, and that is the

681
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: age old question. Why don't we talk to kids about

682
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: money earlier in life? Why does it seem like, I

683
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, it's like sex. In a lot

684
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 2: of cases, let the streets raise them. No one talks

685
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 2: about money. It's a taboo subject. And a lot of houses,

686
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 2: you don't talk about finances, you don't talk about budgets.

687
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: You go to school, you don't really get taught it

688
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: in high school. Maybe you go on to college, and

689
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 2: if you don't, of course you got to learn it firsthand.

690
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: But you go to college, they don't talk about it

691
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Speaker 2: all that much. You get credit card debt, you get

692
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Speaker 2: in trouble, you get upside down, you get student loans,

693
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Speaker 2: and we have all these issues of bailing student loan

694
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Speaker 2: recipients out in the like, And it seems like if

695
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: we taught people earlier, that would be the best way

696
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Speaker 2: to do it.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, geez, now I'm depressed, right. This is one of

698
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Speaker 6: those things that I think the reason why we don't

699
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Speaker 6: talk about it very much is I think is is

700
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Speaker 6: that we're not all that great out of ourselves. And

701
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Speaker 6: it's just like, I think avoid that topic because I'm

702
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 6: not super good at it myself. I think it's the

703
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 6: complete opposite of what we should be doing. We should

704
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Speaker 6: be talking to this about kids early and often. We

705
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Speaker 6: should be putting them to work. Like you said, fifteen

706
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Speaker 6: hours a week in a summer job, I'm thinking sixty.

707
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Speaker 6: That's what I'm talking about. I think that that kids

708
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 6: should be here's a good example. Okay, I had a

709
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Speaker 6: backyard that was just a mess, right, It just wasn't

710
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Speaker 6: where I wanted it to be. So what did I do?

711
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Speaker 6: I went around and I took pictures of everything that

712
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Speaker 6: I would like to do myself but I never have

713
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Speaker 6: time to do. And I put it together and I

714
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Speaker 6: gave it to one of my sons and said, this

715
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Speaker 6: is now your job. Isn't this wonderful? And I took

716
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Speaker 6: my pencil, you know, my Apple pencil, and I literally

717
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 6: wrote exactly what I wanted him to do on every picture.

718
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Speaker 6: And guess what, in two weeks it was all done.

719
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Speaker 6: Like that is amazing to me.

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Speaker 1: Did you did you pay?

721
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Speaker 3: Oh?

722
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Speaker 2: Okay, you paid him for it? Well, normally'd be like,

723
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Speaker 2: oh damn, this is stupid. Right, And that's large of

724
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Speaker 2: the problem. It's just easier to play cake kids and

725
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Speaker 2: and not put them to work. But they're quite capable.

726
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Speaker 2: It gives them a sense of accomplishment and money and

727
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Speaker 2: and so much more. Right And and you may you

728
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Speaker 2: mentioned a second ago, Greg that you know, if you're

729
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Speaker 2: not good with money, your kid's not good with money.

730
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Speaker 2: It's a cyclical thing. And it's because you know, we

731
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Speaker 2: don't do it early enough in life. Someone's got to

732
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Speaker 2: start this process and go early on. They need to

733
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Speaker 2: learn about money.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: On that point, I had my my grandson in law

736
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Speaker 2: is eight years old, nine years old, and uh, it

737
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Speaker 2: was it was all looking for money. He's like, oh,

738
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Speaker 2: I want to I want to buy Well what do

739
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Speaker 2: you need the money for? I want to buy this

740
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Speaker 2: video game or whatever. It is, like, well, can I

741
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Speaker 2: have money? I'm like, it doesn't work that way.

742
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Speaker 1: So I'll know. He'll come over.

743
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Speaker 2: I'll put him to work and he want, you know,

744
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Speaker 2: he'll and his kid's a great worker.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

746
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Speaker 2: But you know, rather than just giving it to them,

747
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Speaker 2: it's got to be earned. When you get to the

748
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Speaker 2: teen years. Now, it seems like a lot of parents

749
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Speaker 2: in suburbia anyway where I live, and you know the drill, right,

750
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Speaker 2: you're more worried about taking maybe some classes or remedial

751
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: work in the summer, or sports or just relaxing whatever

752
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: it might be, as opposed to work. I think that's

753
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Speaker 2: an important component of summer, especially for a teenager, is

754
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Speaker 2: to have a job.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, if they're sitting around and doing nothing, that actually

756
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 6: drives me crazy. And I think the worst thing you

757
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 6: can do as a parent is to just hand them

758
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Speaker 6: over money. Hey, I want to go to the movies, Boom,

759
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Speaker 6: you give them twenty bucks? Are you kidding me? That's

760
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 6: the worst thing you could do, because then that cycle

761
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Speaker 6: perpetuates itself. And to your point, that kind of this

762
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Speaker 6: kind of is a repeating cycle.

763
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Speaker 7: If you're not good at it, kids.

764
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Speaker 6: Won't be all that good at it. That is absolutely true.

765
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Speaker 6: And the way you break that cycle, in my opinion,

766
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Speaker 6: is to be more transparent with what this stuff really means.

767
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Speaker 6: So let me give you a really simple example. You're

768
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Speaker 6: sitting on the couch, your kids next to you. You

769
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Speaker 6: guys are doing essentially nothing right Netflix or something, and

770
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Speaker 6: your phone buzzes and it's your electric bill, or it's

771
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 6: your insurance bill, or it's your whatever bill. This is

772
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Speaker 6: a perfect opportunity for you to say, hey, come here,

773
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Speaker 6: I want you to see this. I just got an

774
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Speaker 6: electric bill. I live in Phoenix. It's August. It's five

775
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Speaker 6: hundred and fifty dollars. Like that is where you need

776
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 6: to expose them to that and say this is what's

777
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Speaker 6: going on. And even better, let them help you pay

778
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Speaker 6: it so they can see how that all works. And

779
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 6: you can do that so easily with the electric bill.

780
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Speaker 6: Next time you pull into the gas station, you can

781
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Speaker 6: have a little conversation, have them stand out there with

782
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Speaker 6: you when you're pumping the gas and let them realize

783
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Speaker 6: that it costs eighty bucks, yeah, to fill up your car.

784
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Speaker 6: Good point, like this is how you do it. Just

785
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 6: be a little bit more transparent and they're going to

786
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 6: realize really quickly. Holy smokes, this is what it takes

787
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Speaker 6: to make this all happen.

788
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have no idea how much a dolo a

789
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Speaker 2: gas will. You may drive by the signs, but okay,

790
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: it's four bucks a gal, three bucks a gal, whatever

791
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 2: it is, and you look at it, you go, okay,

792
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: that's isn't gonna affect on me. But if you look

793
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Speaker 2: at it and go, okay, here's this and this is

794
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Speaker 2: how much it costs.

795
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Speaker 1: But we all pay with a credit card.

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Speaker 2: Is there somebody said about not paying with a credit

797
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Speaker 2: card when you're teaching, because now, if you're a kid,

798
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: you can touch it, you can only can feel it.

799
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: Here's you know, as you said, here's eighty bucks, right,

800
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Speaker 2: I got four twenties.

801
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Speaker 1: Here you go.

802
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Speaker 2: And it's a different thing rather than just swiping the car.

803
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Speaker 2: And I think that's also part of the problem, right,

804
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: is if it's plastic, we don't realize the.

805
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Speaker 1: Value of it.

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Speaker 6: This is called what I what I call invisible money.

807
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 6: Money is just little numbers on a screen now and

808
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 6: they just change. And so you have to teach your

809
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 6: kids in a different way. Listen, we're not going to

810
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 6: go back in time and say, well, if I'm going

811
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Speaker 6: to teach little Johnny about money, I'm going to carry

812
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 6: around five hundred dollars and twenties in my pocket because

813
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 6: it's not going to work. You're not going to do it.

814
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 6: It's annoying, it's not convenient. So you have to teach

815
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Speaker 6: them about invisible money. And this is the way I

816
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 6: think you should do it. I think you should get

817
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 6: them there card. And then all of a sudden they

818
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Speaker 6: realized when they swiped their card at the at the

819
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Speaker 6: movie theater and it cost them, you know, thirteen dollars

820
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Speaker 6: to get into the movie. And they think, oh my goodness,

821
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Speaker 6: I had to scoop dog poop, I had to wash

822
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Speaker 6: my mom's vand I had to mow the lawn and

823
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Speaker 6: that's all I had to do to pay the thirteen

824
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 6: bucks to movies and boom, if you use they swipe

825
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Speaker 6: it and it happened, and all of a sudden, it clicks.

826
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Speaker 6: So let them do it. Because kids learn best by

827
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Speaker 6: doing this stuff, not by you know, anything else.

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Speaker 2: And there's some kids you see you just go they're

829
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Speaker 2: gonna be fine. Example, I was at a a charity

830
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Speaker 2: golf outing and my buddy Daneal I was golf with

831
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Speaker 2: him and he has two beautiful daughters.

832
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Speaker 1: And you know what they did.

833
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Speaker 2: They want to because they're they're kind of he's a hustler,

834
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Speaker 2: and he teach him how to hustle.

835
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Speaker 3: Right.

836
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Speaker 2: It is like, hey, you gotta work, you gotta you

837
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Speaker 2: gotta you want to make money, you want stuff you got,

838
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Speaker 2: So they sat out in front they went to Big

839
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Speaker 2: Lots or something and bought a ten dollars box of beads,

840
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Speaker 2: and we're making bracelets for people and then selling to

841
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Speaker 2: the people after they got through the line check in

842
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: at the golf trip.

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Speaker 1: But guess what they made? Over one hundred bucks?

844
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Speaker 3: Yeah, how about that?

845
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Speaker 5: Right?

846
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 6: I love it. I love that kind of other girls

847
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 6: with a very bright future.

848
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Speaker 1: There's no question about it. I'll be working for them someday.

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Speaker 2: Greg Murson's on the show certified Financial Planner CEO of

850
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: Busy Kid, which is a product that's going to help

851
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: parents hire their own kids and teach them the stuff.

852
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: How's it work?

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Speaker 6: Okay, So Busy Kids an app that gives kids real

854
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 6: life experiences not only earning money, but managing money. So

855
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 6: the earning part is really important. It's work, it's fundamental, right.

856
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 6: But once you get the money, what in the world

857
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Speaker 6: do you do with it? I always say, if you

858
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 6: let your kids just earn it and burn it and

859
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 6: you're not doing much other than you're making it easier

860
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 6: for them to spend it, you have to teach them

861
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Speaker 6: a very balanced approach. And this is not hard. Okay.

862
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Speaker 6: The money goes in when you use busy kids, you

863
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Speaker 6: earn the money and it goes into three big buckets. Okay,

864
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Speaker 6: the first bucket is saving and investing, where they can

865
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Speaker 6: literally learn about how investing in stock works, amazing, eye

866
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Speaker 6: opening stuff. The second pieces is you can teach them

867
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Speaker 6: how to share and give to charity, which teaches them

868
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Speaker 6: that the world is a bigger place than just them,

869
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Speaker 6: which is very important. And then lastly, the money can

870
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Speaker 6: go into spend where they can have their own cards,

871
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Speaker 6: they can load it, and they can spend like the

872
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Speaker 6: rest of us. So save and invest, share and spend.

873
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Speaker 6: These are the fundamentals of a balanced financial approach.

874
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Speaker 1: And it's such a simple concept.

875
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Speaker 2: If you're an adult, you get that right as I

876
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Speaker 2: have money, that I have my needs, I have my wants,

877
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Speaker 2: i have charity, and then I've got investments.

878
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Speaker 1: And those are the four buckets to say what we

879
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Speaker 1: do as adults right.

880
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Speaker 2: Right, or should be doing it. So if you're not

881
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Speaker 2: doing that, going, wait, let me write this down in

882
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: you got problems. But if you look at I mean,

883
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 2: look at credit card debt in America. We're seeing incredibly

884
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Speaker 2: high numbers right now. And look at the United States

885
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Speaker 2: and the debt sealing crisis, right, I mean, we're a

886
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: nation of dead beats.

887
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Speaker 6: Oh, it's out of control. Debt is at an all

888
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Speaker 6: time high, national debt thirty two trillion dollars. I mean,

889
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Speaker 6: I don't even know how many.

890
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: Zeros out of control?

891
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 6: Right, Consumer debt all time high, student loan debt all

892
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Speaker 6: time high. So, yes, you're exactly right. It's out of control.

893
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Speaker 7: And if we think we.

894
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Speaker 6: Can just kind of keep going down this path, we're

895
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Speaker 6: tricking ourselves. We have to stop, and we have to

896
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Speaker 6: change it. I think we need to change it with

897
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Speaker 6: this next generation. Yeah, if they're smarter with their money,

898
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Speaker 6: then hopefully they can turn it around.

899
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Speaker 2: Now, you as a certified financial planner, though, Greg, you

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Speaker 2: know you hear the thing is well, Okay, when you

901
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Speaker 2: were coming up, when you were young my age, it

902
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: was a lot easier, you know, And now it's so hard.

903
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Speaker 2: I have to have two or three or four more

904
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Speaker 2: jobs and service all my debt and all the things.

905
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: Oh is that true?

906
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 2: I mean I have an appreciation for younger people now

907
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 2: because there are a lot more things coming at them.

908
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: Is there less opportunity than we had and the less

909
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: opportunity to make money?

910
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 4: Though?

911
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 6: Yet I think there's more opportunity. Frankly, I mean, it's

912
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Speaker 6: an amazing thing.

913
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Speaker 3: I have.

914
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Speaker 6: I have six kids, okay, five have left the nets,

915
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Speaker 6: and all five of the ones that have left the

916
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Speaker 6: nests that's had more than ten grand sads before they left,

917
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 6: which I think is an amazing thing. And listen, Scott,

918
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Speaker 6: I'm not paying them two hundred dollars to wash the car. Okay.

919
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 6: They have so many opportunities. You can jump on, you know,

920
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 6: when you're when you're an eighteen year old, you can

921
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 6: jump on and you could be delivering you know, food

922
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Speaker 6: to people in like twenty minutes. It's an amazing if

923
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 6: you go door dashing or uber eat in twenty minutes

924
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Speaker 6: like and you can go drive an uber like. You

925
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Speaker 6: could do so many things these days. And you know,

926
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Speaker 6: well that's for the older kids, But what about the

927
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 6: younger kids. They can mowd lawns, they can tutor people,

928
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Speaker 6: they can walk somebody's dog, they can do all this stuff.

929
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Speaker 6: We created busy pape, which is literally a QR code

930
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Speaker 6: that kids can have and the person that you know

931
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Speaker 6: hires them to go walk my dog and then I

932
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Speaker 6: just scan your two R cards code and I pay

933
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Speaker 6: you ten bucks, Like it's that easy.

934
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like that.

935
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Speaker 6: Seems like a very easy thing to right, Right, you

936
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Speaker 6: go out and figure stuff out.

937
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have Busy Kid, which is the app that

938
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Speaker 2: you have, But I mean things like venmo, right, just

939
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: venmo me the money? I got an account? Okay, boom,

940
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Speaker 2: it's right there. It's it's easier than ever zeal it

941
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Speaker 2: or it's easy to ever before to transfer money, but

942
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Speaker 2: also to develop side hustles in your downtime.

943
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Speaker 1: So yeah, you may have to.

944
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Speaker 2: You know, the days of having a goal plated pension

945
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: are long since gone. God knows, I've never seen that,

946
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Speaker 2: but you know, love saving for a four long kid

947
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Speaker 2: and start to my thirties because I'm like, I don't

948
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Speaker 2: have that kind of money. Yeah, you know, and then

949
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you start realizing it's important and

950
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Speaker 2: you've got to start You got to start paying yourself

951
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: a little bit here too. But learning that at age

952
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Speaker 2: at age five is a lot easier than learning that

953
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Speaker 2: at age fifty.

954
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Speaker 6: Yeah, oh my goodness. And just think of the trajectory

955
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 6: that changes if you start doing that balance financial pros

956
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Speaker 6: and not just wasting all your money early in life.

957
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 6: You you turn eighteen and you got ten grand, you

958
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 6: leave the house like that's what happened. It's an amazing

959
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 6: thing if you if you start to see that early

960
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Speaker 6: in life.

961
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, if your kids or grandkids are tripping at you

963
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Speaker 2: because they want money, download the busy kid app busy

964
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 2: kid and put them on the right path here and

965
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: it's a it's a good lesson. They can actually see

966
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: the money that they earn as opposed to just having

967
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 2: it given to them.

968
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 6: Absolutely, if they learn how to work early and get

969
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 6: some money, you watch out, they're gonna they're going to

970
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 6: figure out some amazing things. I had a kid tell

971
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 6: me the other day that he was so excited because

972
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 6: he had earned some money. Then he had learned to invest.

973
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 6: He bought some stock and the next thing you know,

974
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 6: he got a dividend. What in the world is a dividend?

975
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 6: And he was so excited to learn that a dividend

976
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 6: is just money that the company that you invested in

977
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 6: gave you for nothing. And all of a sudden, it

978
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 6: was an eye opening the experience. Wait, I can invest

979
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 6: in a company they pay me to do nothing. Wow,

980
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 6: that's an amazing Thingah So let your money work for your.

981
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: So now basically The way I explained is you're a bank, right,

982
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 2: you're loaning money and the dividends kind of like interest.

983
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 6: It's amazing.

984
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

985
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 6: Right. Rather, I would much rather do that than have

986
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 6: to tho more dog coop in the backyard.

987
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Well I got to get going, Greg, because

988
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 2: I got to go scoop dog poop.

989
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: That's my side hustle.

990
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: So thanks for demeaning me, Greg Murce, certified Financial Planner.

991
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: CEO of Busy Kid.

992
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: That is the app and it's how you you can

993
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 2: basically how your own kids during summer break. And we're

994
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: not talking about teenagers here. We're talking about young kids.

995
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: And this gives them the experience and know how to

996
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: get to get money and doing hands on work and

997
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: and yeah, whatever you have them do is age appropriate

998
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: chores or whatever it is, but that this helps bridge

999
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: the conversation we don't have and that is about kids

1000
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: and money. And this is why we're so lost by

1001
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: financially in this country, I think because we never learned

1002
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: it growing up. And here's an opportunity to do that. Greg,

1003
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: all the best, thanks for coming on the show. I

1004
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: appreciate it.

1005
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 6: Good be with you, Scott.

1006
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bring up the work issue because Ohio it's

1007
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: center pill fifty. I believe right now, if you're in Ohio,

1008
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,959
Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen year olds can work till nine o'clock during

1009
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: the summer school holiday, can't work past seven pm during

1010
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: school nights, and they want to extend that. They want

1011
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: to change it to make it nine pm during the

1012
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: school year for obvious reasons. Of course, the outrage machine

1013
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: is full going here, Democrats and Columbus saying it's not

1014
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: about filling workforce gaps, it's about filling corporate pockets. I

1015
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: don't know if kids fourteen fifty year old's getting seven

1016
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: to twenty five an hour, that seems like a pretty

1017
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: good deal for the kid. It's minimum wage, and you

1018
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 2: learn how to manage money, work with people, how to

1019
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: problem solve, all that good stuff. One lawmaker from Youngstown said,

1020
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 2: how dare we pretend that putting fourteen year olds on

1021
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: late night shifts and dangerous workplaces is somehow helping families.

1022
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: It's not helping. Its exploitation. So what we need more

1023
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: programs to give people money? It's fourteen year olds aren't

1024
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: working in dangerous workplaces. We have laws against that. In

1025
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: late night shift nine o'clock is not late. If you're

1026
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen, you scream at your fourteen fifteen year old

1027
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Speaker 2: it's time to go to bed because they're nocturnal.

1028
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Speaker 1: What world do you live in?

1029
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: Lady Scott Flowing seven hundred w al the Everyone needs

1030
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 2: help every.

1031
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: Now and then, and she's here to help us get

1032
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: our heads right.

1033
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Speaker 2: This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire.

1034
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Speaker 2: Something like seventy percent of all Americans engage in some

1035
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: form of infidelity at some point in life. And that

1036
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: could mean intellectual, it could mean emotional, online, financial, physical,

1037
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch of different ways.

1038
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: But twenty forty percent.

1039
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Speaker 2: Of married men in twenty to twenty five percent of

1040
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: married women in the US will have a sexual affair

1041
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 2: bonafide adultery in their lifetime. And typically you hear about

1042
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: how healing together in couple's therapy is the right way

1043
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: to go. But my guest here and for Julie Hattersh

1044
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: here here on Mental Health Money. Julie's got the week

1045
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: office doctor all a seem and he says, not always

1046
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 2: is that the case? Sometimes you shouldn't fix a relationship

1047
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: broken by infidelity good morning, doctor.

1048
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Speaker 1: How are you.

1049
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Speaker 7: I'm doing fine things for having in the show.

1050
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, because you know, I think conventional wisdom is

1051
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: that that healing together is always the right path. And

1052
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: I have friends that have been through this before, and

1053
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: it's always tragic and heartbreaking. And yet you're kind of

1054
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 2: like the salmon swimming upstream on this one saying, well,

1055
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: you know what, maybe you're better off not repairing the relationship.

1056
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Speaker 7: That was importunate that we've been socialized that the only

1057
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 7: way to go from a fidelity by repairing the relationship.

1058
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Speaker 7: The fact of the matter is that that's not attainable

1059
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 7: for everybody. Sometimes infidelity is actually the wake up call

1060
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 7: that people need to know that this relationship shouldn't have

1061
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 7: been in the first place.

1062
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Speaker 2: So how do you determine that. Let's go in the

1063
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Speaker 2: way back machine. But before we do that, let's let's

1064
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Speaker 2: define that. So there's is infidelity in an adultery exchangeable

1065
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: terms or are their nuanced? Is the distinction between the two.

1066
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 7: I'm a big fir, a firm believer in the connotation

1067
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Speaker 7: of the words adult rereasently tend to have spiritual connotation.

1068
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Speaker 7: Infidelity tends to be a little bit more, a little

1069
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Speaker 7: bit more neutral, regardless of people spiritual belief system. Okay,

1070
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 7: actually one, I'll go ahead.

1071
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: No, say so.

1072
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: The sexual act itself crosses the line from infidelity to

1073
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Speaker 2: full on adultry.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's the distinction.

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Speaker 7: So really, infidelity is the breach of contract of exclusivity

1076
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Speaker 7: that people have from one another, whether it's emotional exclusivity

1077
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 7: or sexual exclusivity, and infidelity needs something different based on

1078
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 7: everybody's relationship and the type of cultural belief system that

1079
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 7: they have. For example, flirting with others in some relationship

1080
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 7: might see it might be be considered as a harmless behavior.

1081
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 7: Another relationship, it might be seen a form of infidelity.

1082
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 7: Same thing with pornography. So that's one of the challenging

1083
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 7: things of treating infidelity is that most of the time

1084
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 7: people don't even have the same reference point on what

1085
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 7: to define it.

1086
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do we call agree?

1087
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: The physical exchange, that's where adultery comes in adults, is

1088
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 2: what it is.

1089
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: But infidelity is there.

1090
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 2: But but we also had things like would you consider uh,

1091
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: you mentioned digital cheating or pornography, but like financial for example,

1092
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 2: or emotional cheating, those that that's infidelity as well, Right,

1093
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: and and how many different types of forms of infidelity

1094
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 2: are there in that regard.

1095
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 7: Well, I think you.

1096
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 6: Know, you can't have infidelity without.

1097
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 7: Dishonesty, but none every dishonest behaviors, you know, fill that

1098
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 7: up infidelity it's really uh. And you can also argue that,

1099
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 7: you know, betraying somebody's trusts as a form of infidelity.

1100
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 7: To me, it's you know, how often people are clear

1101
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 7: with one another about when they expect but also treating

1102
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 7: that virtual world like you deal with the physical world, right,

1103
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 7: you know, anything that you do virtually, yeah, this you

1104
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 7: should have the same roles that if you do it

1105
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 7: virtually or you do it in person. And that's not

1106
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 7: so sometimes you'll kind of whitewash it and justify this because.

1107
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: It's virtual, all right.

1108
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: And doctor al Saline, now that we've set what the

1109
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: definitions are here, let's get into the realist. And this

1110
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 2: is where you're a little bit different than a lot

1111
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: of therapists I think. And I got to get Julie's

1112
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 2: take on here, but you're in for her this morning.

1113
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: And that is when you can't fix this thing when

1114
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 2: it's irreparable. And a lot of people spend a lot

1115
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: of time effort and emotion trying to fix something that

1116
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: can't be fixed in the first place. What are the

1117
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 2: signs that something like this is unfixable if you should

1118
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: just maybe you were with the wrong person to begin with.

1119
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 7: Well, a clear sign of that if you have an

1120
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 7: unfaithful partner who is lacking empathy, who is not having

1121
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 7: the feeling that you're expected to have want somebody discover

1122
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 7: in fidelity, somebody who blame you for that there, So

1123
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 7: think of it this way. Infidelity doesn't always happen for

1124
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 7: a relationship deficits, but a lot of times where infidelity happened,

1125
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 7: what having to do with the relationship has to do

1126
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 7: with unfaithful partner and individually to deal with whether it's

1127
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 7: it's a big shit personality disorder or something along those lines.

1128
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 7: And sometimes we have environmental factors that lead to infidelity.

1129
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 7: So you know, when you have an unfaithful partner will

1130
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 7: blame you for the affair. That's problematic because ire is

1131
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 7: supposed to be a building a relationship with somebody who

1132
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 7: blame you.

1133
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 4: For with their action.

1134
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 7: And I was the example. You could have the worst

1135
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 7: partner in the universe. You have options, and then they

1136
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 7: can drag with the counseling and takes those issues or

1137
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 7: and the relationship before you cross those lines of fidelity.

1138
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 7: So when you're dealing with somebody who's lacking contrition, that's

1139
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 7: a difficult person to work with. When you're dealing with

1140
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 7: somebody who is not even willing to give you the

1141
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 7: story of what happened, why it happened, that's a problematic behavior.

1142
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh no, that makes sense.

1143
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: But be saying there, I mean, blame is to share,

1144
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. You wouldn't seek something else

1145
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: somewhere else for that matter, if there wasn't a void

1146
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 2: in that relationship.

1147
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: Does that mean that's victim blaming them?

1148
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 7: I believe so, because, like I said, you know, as

1149
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 7: them faithful partner, you have options in terms of how

1150
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 7: do you act on that relationship deficit. Ale I said,

1151
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 7: there's seen the hundreds of relationship where that person actually

1152
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 7: with a partner who is ready and willing to meet

1153
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 7: all their needs. But it's like a say things. So,

1154
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 7: for example, if you're dealing with somebody with narcissistic personality disorder,

1155
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 7: they could have the perfect partner of us whore filling

1156
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 7: all their needs, but it doesn't matter they need more

1157
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 7: than one person. They need that constant attention. So it's

1158
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 7: not always about relationship beficit.

1159
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: I understand.

1160
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 2: So what you should be doing is going to your

1161
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: significant other. In this case, the person you've had a

1162
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 2: relationship is Hey, listen, here's my thoughts.

1163
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 1: There's what's going through my head.

1164
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 2: And maybe it's narcissism, or embarrassment or fear of rejection,

1165
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: could be a lot of things. Is the reason why

1166
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 2: someone would turn somewhere else to their needs met?

1167
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 6: Absolutely?

1168
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 7: Sometimes the seasons in fidelity been planned a long time ago.

1169
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 7: There's a lot of folks who have self as being

1170
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 7: a selfworth issues, or somebody who had traumatic event and

1171
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 7: being abused actually when they were a child, and they

1172
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 7: developed this idea of themselves that the only thing they

1173
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 7: can offer to the world is their sexuality. So sometimes

1174
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 7: I said, it has nothing to do with the relationship.

1175
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: It's mental health Monday in the Scotsland shown seven hundred

1176
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: WW Julie Hattershare, our regular license mental health therapist has

1177
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 2: day off Todays, taking a little vacation much deserved and

1178
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: sitting in this morning is doctor Tallala Sleam, unfaithful and

1179
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: unrepentant affairs be on the hope of repairent infidelity. So

1180
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: he's kind of a little bit different when it comes

1181
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 2: to therapy and saying that not all relationships are fixable,

1182
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: which is kind of refreshing but also depressing in the way,

1183
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: meaning that can I look at this and go, well,

1184
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 2: if you tell me what categories or what are the

1185
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 2: red flags here, that's indicators I shouldn't get in a

1186
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: relationship with this person in the first place, because I

1187
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: would think by the time you get in a relationship,

1188
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 2: all of those markers, all of those bad habits are

1189
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: already set in stone. So you know, love kind of

1190
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 2: glosses over that. But after a year or more of marriage,

1191
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: maybe things start to change and water gets back to

1192
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: self leveling and things get back to your normal in

1193
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: that regard, can I spot these trends before I get

1194
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: in a serious relationship with someone that's going to wind

1195
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: up ultimately breaking my heart?

1196
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 7: Great question, Scott. I always tell people that, you know,

1197
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 7: if you want to be in a healthy relationship, you

1198
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 7: have to have relationship maturity. What does that mean? That

1199
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 7: means that you need to know who you are, the

1200
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 7: kind of qualities that you're looking for in a partner

1201
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 7: and the type of relationship that works for you. But

1202
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 7: also when you find that person and this person is

1203
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 7: meeting all your needs, the relationship needs to be maintained.

1204
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 7: A lot of the times when people have more conflict

1205
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 7: resolution and communication skills, they're going to struggle one having

1206
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 7: their needsments in their relationship, which is the fastest way

1207
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 7: to have a relationship deficit, which would lead to infidelity. Also,

1208
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 7: other things to look for is how invested the person

1209
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 7: that you are trying to let into your life, and

1210
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 7: are they willing to talk about parameters of exclusivity, what

1211
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 7: is their idea of privacy versus transparency. I really believe

1212
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 7: if you're in a healthy relationship and you're not doing

1213
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 7: anything creating, there shouldn't be this sense of, you know,

1214
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 7: there's something for my eyes only. Oftentimes when people hide

1215
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 7: things from their partner, it's either because they don't trust

1216
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 7: their partner with that information or they doing something that

1217
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 7: they're not supposed to. And also, you want to be

1218
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 7: with somebody who is invested in somebody who's willing to

1219
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 7: reciveticate your effort, because incited relationships often fail.

1220
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: Is part of this to the person may adrenaline junkie

1221
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,919
Speaker 2: that there's a thrill of the pursuit and the catch.

1222
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: I mean, let's face it, if you've been in a

1223
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: relationship for a long time, and that's the news you

1224
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 2: have to those who are newly marriage, Hey, the honeymoon

1225
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 2: doesn't last forever. It's supposed to ebb and flow, and

1226
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: it's a different relationship the older you get, but you

1227
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: still love each other. Where is there a people out

1228
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: there looking for that adrenaline rush that they're not getting

1229
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: from a stable relationship.

1230
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 7: There is an aspect of that for people who had

1231
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 7: limited the relationships experience. So a lot of times people

1232
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 7: maybeing them in a relationship and escalated their commitment because

1233
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 7: somebody got pregnant or maybe they were young, and then

1234
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 7: know what they're looking for, and you know, there's an

1235
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 7: excitement of you know, the thrill of a hunt for

1236
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 7: a lot of better work. But oftentimes also it's an

1237
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 7: issue of people have the capacity of doing this in

1238
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 7: their marriage and their relationship, but they just don't take

1239
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 7: the time. Unfortunately. You know, people work all the time

1240
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 7: and they take their partner for granted and sometimes school,

1241
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 7: you know, make all these excuse and dollar way till

1242
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 7: the kids grow out and go out to college, and

1243
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 7: that point of time, their relationship is already strained.

1244
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: Yes.

1245
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 7: And also sometimes let's say somebody who actually cheat because

1246
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 7: of the relationship deficit, and their relationship somehow got fixed

1247
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 7: because their partners showing up and meeting their needs. Now

1248
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 7: they have this thing extra on the side, right, So

1249
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 7: what might have started with a deficit, now they're going

1250
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 7: to be struggled with giving this thing as starting the side.

1251
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: No, that makes makes perfect sense because there's a thrill

1252
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: of a new attraction, a new conquest, or the thrill

1253
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 2: of a new relationship in getting to know someone intimately

1254
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: as well as physically and emotionally, all those factors as well,

1255
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: kind of like when you were pursuing the person you're

1256
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: cheating on. But do you in your practice, doctor Auslin,

1257
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: you tend to see that's when someone cheats, they they

1258
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: cheat in the future. I mean, can is that someone

1259
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: who can't be trusted from that point forward?

1260
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 7: You know that that isn't the once a futer all

1261
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 7: with a tutor. Those people do exist, but it's a

1262
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 7: smaller segment of the population. Oftentimes when encounter that is

1263
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 7: when people have personality disorders such as antisocial personalit disorder

1264
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,479
Speaker 7: or personality disorder, because we have to remind ourselves people

1265
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 7: cheat for different reasons. So even if you are with

1266
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 7: somebody who cheated in their past relationship, it doesn't mean

1267
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 7: all the reasons for the fidelity was the same. So

1268
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 7: we have to be looking at each incident in case

1269
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 7: by case and identify those factors, because if you understand

1270
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 7: why then fidelity happens, those reasons don't help you decide

1271
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 7: whether or not you want to rebuild with this individual

1272
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 7: and what not. That individual is willing to work on

1273
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 7: those issues, all.

1274
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: Right, So give me an idea here, Give me reasons

1275
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: which and let's start with this one. Give me reasons

1276
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: that you hear in your practice as to why people

1277
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: are unfaithful and commit acts of adultery or in fidelity.

1278
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: And we'll start with the ones that are fixable, the

1279
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 2: ones you go, okay, we can work on this.

1280
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 7: I would say the relationship deficit. When somebody is having

1281
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 7: these are unbaked man in relationship. I would say these

1282
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 7: are the most common ones, and oftentimes it's because either

1283
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,479
Speaker 7: people are not good about figuring out what their needs

1284
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 7: at or being able to express them effectively to their

1285
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 7: partner because that one becomes an easier one to fix

1286
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 7: because when we identify those needs though these are healthy,

1287
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 7: are compatible, then we can help the couples actually identify

1288
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 7: their barriers for meeting those needs and get better in

1289
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Speaker 7: conflict resolution and communication. Because it's a cause and effect,

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Speaker 7: I would say the most challenging one to fix or

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Speaker 7: the ones are caused by personality disorders, because personalit disorders

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Speaker 7: tend to be you have fancy ten dollar word egosyntnics,

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Speaker 7: meaning that people are aokay with those behaviors. There is

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Speaker 7: no clinical distress. So if I'm not having a problem

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Speaker 7: with my behavior, I'm going to be less likely to

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Speaker 7: seek help.

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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Is that the underlying cause is mental deficiency or an

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Speaker 2: incompetency or a clinical diagnosis that you could give. You're

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Speaker 2: never going to be able to have a stable relationship

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Speaker 2: if you don't treat that.

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Speaker 7: Right what I'm saying, and not all individual mental health

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Speaker 7: issues are going to be having a good prognosis because

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Speaker 7: if you are not having if you don't see the

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Speaker 7: problem with your behavior, you're going to be willing to

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Speaker 7: seek treatment and you're going to be resist central the

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Speaker 7: all time.

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Speaker 2: All right, how long typically do you see therapy working

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Speaker 2: for someone like that, though you're talking about probably years.

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Speaker 2: I would think of therapy right before you can get

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Speaker 2: before you can fix your relationship. You got to get

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Speaker 2: yourself right. But that person probably is not going to

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Speaker 2: hang around for you well.

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Speaker 7: And I think when there is an individual issue in

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Speaker 7: addition to the relationship issue that I've let to infidelity,

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Speaker 7: I right, I recommend for people is engaged in couple

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Speaker 7: counseling and individual counseling, and the type of disorders that

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Speaker 7: the individual dealing with determined the treatment. So I can

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Speaker 7: speak about infidelity recovery and what is the shortest and

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Speaker 7: the longest time of recovery that I have seen. I

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Speaker 7: would say that we're use in my model systematic affair

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Speaker 7: recovery therapy. The shortest one for treatment I've seen what

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Speaker 7: six months, and the longest was about two years and

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Speaker 7: a half. And the start of the situation where everything

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Speaker 7: goes wrong where somebody slept with someone in the work

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Speaker 7: place and you know they have to go to court

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Speaker 7: and testify and relive the trauma's And that's the other

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Speaker 7: issue too, is that the type effectair department that you

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Speaker 7: have could complicate your dealing journey as well.

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Speaker 2: During that time, people hear this, Okay, I've been married

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Speaker 2: a while, I have a lot at stake. Everyone I

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Speaker 2: know who's been divorced and remarried is happier, But at

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Speaker 2: the same time they lost a lot financially, emotionally and

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Speaker 2: otherwise in the interim. Do you reckon how men people

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Speaker 2: stay apart at that point, separate residences, things like that

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Speaker 2: until this issues are resolved, if they ever can be resolved.

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Speaker 7: I think if people are trying to engage in fidelity recovery,

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Speaker 7: if they're able to be physically and emotionally safe in

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Speaker 7: the same counsehole, it's important for them to be staying together.

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Speaker 7: Why is that Because if you are the betrayed partner

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Speaker 7: and you found out the partner has been shooting on

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Speaker 7: you and now you're only separate houses, if your mind's

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Speaker 7: going to be wondering are they seeing the fair partner?

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Speaker 7: Are they impacted by this and they feel guilty? Do

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Speaker 7: they feel ashamed? So you don't want the betrayed partners

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Speaker 7: to feel alone and isolated in their trauma. But also

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Speaker 7: they need to discover this together, right because it's a

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Speaker 7: team decision. They have to figure out why this happened

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Speaker 7: and decide whether or not they want to work in

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Speaker 7: this relationship.

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Speaker 2: And that's easier said than done because often cases we're

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Speaker 2: not mature. We should be mature, but we're not.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely And then that's one I always tell people, like

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Speaker 7: you know, when you discover in fidelity, to come women

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Speaker 7: to stake couple's make they involve their kids in this,

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Speaker 7: and that's very tragic, right, And when I say kids,

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Speaker 7: not just like you know, little ones and sometimes even

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Speaker 7: you know, younger adults can be impacted by this because

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Speaker 7: you know, if you see this happening here, you know

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Speaker 7: you have siblings who end up choosing sides and their relationship.

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Speaker 7: What could be impacted? You have that it's growing up

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Speaker 7: not knowing what is healthy relationship look like, so can

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Speaker 7: cause all this damage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I understand that.

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Speaker 2: And because you're trying to gain allies, and often with

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Speaker 2: people who are divorced, right, you have the couples friends

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Speaker 2: that you had before, and so they've got it. You

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Speaker 2: have to friends to feel like they have to choose sides.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine being a family member.

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Speaker 7: And I can't tell you this time that you know

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Speaker 7: anybody can tell you from the from the sidelines how

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Speaker 7: to live your life. Those people are going to move

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Speaker 7: on and you're going to be dealing with the consequences

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Speaker 7: of choices that you make. So people decision about the

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Speaker 7: future should not be motivated by external factors.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll tell you what, man, Yes, you look

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Speaker 2: at all the problems. When you wide up sploit him,

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Speaker 2: you may be happier and maybe in a better place

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Speaker 2: at some point where there's a lot of things, a

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Speaker 2: lot of baggage I know from folks who've been divorced

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Speaker 2: that they still carry and had to go through to

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Speaker 2: get where they are today. Doctor, I'll a seem unfaithful

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Speaker 2: and unrepentant affairs to beyond the hope of a and

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Speaker 2: in fidelity. In for Julie Hattershare this morning, it's Mental

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Speaker 2: Health Monday, talking about some relationships can't possibly be resolved

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Speaker 2: after being unfaithful, committing adulterer in fidelity.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining the show. I appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Julie back next Monday, Mental Health Monday. Julie Hattershare at

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Speaker 2: beconnected dot Care by the Way news update and then

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Speaker 2: when return was a shutdown a breaking.

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Speaker 1: Point for politics.

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Speaker 2: You would hope so, because in about what ten weeks,

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Speaker 2: we will do it all over again unless there's some

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Speaker 2: sanity restored to our government. She's Victoria Churchill, and she

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Speaker 2: has studied this issue. We'll find out exactly what the

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Speaker 2: likelihood of doing this all over again in just a

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Speaker 2: few short weeks is, like January thirtieth, so by February

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Speaker 2: we could be doing this all over again. Sloaney home

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Speaker 2: of the best Bengals coverage, win or lose or in

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Speaker 2: this case loser lose? Seven hundred W Dowty, Cincinnata.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to be in a mad.

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Speaker 7: What's up?

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Speaker 1: Floony? Back on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: With the record forty three day federal shutdown behind us,

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Speaker 2: we can look forward to about ten weeks from now

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Speaker 2: when we do it all over again because we're stupid

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Speaker 2: like that?

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Speaker 1: Or will we? Hopefully some answers here.

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Speaker 2: Victoria Churchill, political reporter for the US Daily Mail, also

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Speaker 2: a contributor with The Young Voices. Welcome back, How.

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Speaker 1: Are you hey?

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Speaker 8: Doing well?

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Speaker 3: Always great?

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Speaker 6: About to be back on with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so handicapped for this this for me, Victoria, inside

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Speaker 2: the Beltway, What are the odds are we going to

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Speaker 2: do this again in ten weeks January thirtieth.

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Speaker 8: Well, I will say I hope that senators and representatives

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Speaker 8: are smarter than that, But that also means that we

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Speaker 8: are expecting them to be smarter than that, which I

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Speaker 8: think may be a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit of a tall order. No, it's I We'll see

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Speaker 1: it feels like a coin flat.

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Speaker 2: You've felt though as long as this was, and how

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Speaker 2: many people really felt it in the last few days

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Speaker 2: of this thing. Look at airports, look at snap recipients.

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot what's going on here? A lot

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Speaker 2: of people already feeling the squeeze with the economy more

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Speaker 2: so now with this. I get that it's palpable, and

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Speaker 2: you think, hey, maybe we put a not a foot,

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Speaker 2: but maybe a little toe over the line.

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Speaker 1: With the forty three days.

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Speaker 2: Doing it again so soon seems like an exercise not

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Speaker 2: only in futility, but insanity. And yet it's set up

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Speaker 2: to do that simply because well, let's start with it.

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Speaker 2: Let let's get into the whys here. And of course

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Speaker 2: I think you need two strong parties in order to

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Speaker 2: come to some sort of compromise in terms, and right

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Speaker 2: now the Democrats are very very.

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Speaker 1: Weak in this regard.

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Speaker 8: The Democrats are definitely very weak. And I mean, I'm

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Speaker 8: sure you've talked with other guests on your show about

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Speaker 8: just the failure of leadership from Chuck Schumer, the Senate

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Speaker 8: minority leader. He's being you know, really reprimanded by members

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Speaker 8: of his own party. There's kind of been some tensions

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Speaker 8: really throughout the second Trump term where Democrats have been

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Speaker 8: upset that he has caved to Trump and Republicans demands.

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Speaker 8: But you know, this is just really the latest iteration

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Speaker 8: of this. You've had groups like the Young Democrats in

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Speaker 8: New York as well as nationwide calling for kind of

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Speaker 8: a rebuke consumer but even groups like Our Revolution, you know,

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Speaker 8: that's a Democrat, socialist, burning standards aligned grassroots group on

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Speaker 8: the left, and they're calling for Schumer to go. You've

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Speaker 8: also got other, you know, other members of his caucus

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Speaker 8: and his party on Capitol Hill. You know, two of

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Speaker 8: the more prominent ones that I can think of is definitely,

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Speaker 8: for example, comic women Jasmine Crockett from Texas. She's been

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Speaker 8: one to speak out against Schumer. And then I have

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Speaker 8: even some of his Senate colleagues. So you know, as

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Speaker 8: a minority leader, you're supposed to be able to hold

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Speaker 8: your caucus together, and that's something that Schumer failed to do.

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Speaker 8: I think definitely. Jeffries also in the House to an extent,

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Speaker 8: because of course the House did have to vote to

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Speaker 8: pass the Senate version of the package, but at least

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Speaker 8: the initial passage of the funding bill. You know, no

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Speaker 8: Democrats supported it in the initial stages in the House.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I think.

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Speaker 8: Schumer's really bearing the brand of this. And you know,

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Speaker 8: at the end of the day, if he wanted to

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Speaker 8: dig his the end and really at the end of

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Speaker 8: the day, accomplished nothing for his party for American people,

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Speaker 8: that's really what he won is accomplishing nothing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you look at the you know, the essentially

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Speaker 2: the people are the party. But look at Mamdanie in

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Speaker 2: New York and what just happened in Portland, but specifically

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Speaker 2: in New York City is that you have a socialist

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Speaker 2: who's going to be the next mayor of the City

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Speaker 2: of New York. And all that is is it's it's

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Speaker 2: the Democrats version of populist. It's the progressive populism, is

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Speaker 2: what it is. Like Trump is a conservative populace sure, and.

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Speaker 8: I mean here's the thing with Mom Donnie, right, something

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Speaker 8: that actually sound quite interesting is that he actually lost

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Speaker 8: the demographic of the poorest New Yorkers, which I think

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Speaker 8: just goes to show that he is not going to

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Speaker 8: be the mayor for the common man. He's going to

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Speaker 8: be the mayor for you know, these Ivory Tower College

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Speaker 8: graduatests that are just burdened with student debt and who

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Speaker 8: think that life is just super unfair and that they

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Speaker 8: should get handouts instead of a handout.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, I know he was rallying

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Speaker 2: immigrants to his cause as well. And just the way

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Speaker 2: he ran his CA campaign and very untraditional, totally social

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Speaker 2: media and organic kind of thing, didn't he do well

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Speaker 2: with immigrants?

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Speaker 8: He did to an extent. I think it's also interesting

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Speaker 8: to note that it's uh and you know, I think

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Speaker 8: we've actually seen this in both parties. Is not your

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Speaker 8: first generation immigrants, but your second generation immigrants and how

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Speaker 8: they fall politically. And so I saw a report, I

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Speaker 8: forget who's the news outlet. It might have even been

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Speaker 8: up at the Daily Mail, but not not one hundred

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Speaker 8: percent surround that. But I saw one report where you know,

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Speaker 8: there was a Chinese mom a Chinese immigrant mom who

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01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 8: was absolutely flabbergasted that her children had voted for Mom

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01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 8: Doami because she came from communism, right, she knows that

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01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 8: this government control of everything is a horrible idea. Yet

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01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 8: just one generation later, living in America, her children have

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01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 8: absolutely forgotten what you know, their parents fled and why

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Speaker 8: their parents came to America to through the American dream

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Speaker 8: and to know, participate in our system of democracy. And so,

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Speaker 8: you know, I think you really say that split is

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Speaker 8: that you know, for example, you had I thought clips

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Speaker 8: like this all over social media. You know, you had

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01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 8: a group of Muslims against mom Dommy. Yeah, uh, you know,

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01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 8: speaking out saying, you know, he doesn't represent us. You

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Speaker 8: know we we came from countries where shari Allah is

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01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 8: a thing, and guess what this is why we live

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Speaker 8: in America because we don't want this and we don't

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Speaker 8: want these values to be you know, combined with government.

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Speaker 8: And so I think it's really interesting to note, you know,

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Speaker 8: there's I think it really is that you know, kind

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Speaker 8: of second maybe even third generation of immigrants that maybe

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Speaker 8: have kind of you know, my generation, and even jen

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Speaker 8: AffA will play I think they've kind of lost the

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Speaker 8: plot a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Victoria on that too, you know, socialists in

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01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 2: New York and Portland, and you know, giving more rise

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01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 2: to AOC. That's not the solution though, for the top leadership,

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01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 2: federal leadership anyway, simply because that is not going to

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01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 2: play outside of those cities, outside urban areas. That's no

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Speaker 2: way that's going to play, and that they're doomed if

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Speaker 2: that's the direction they're at it, aren't they?

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Speaker 4: You know, I think so.

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Speaker 8: And I think it's interesting to note just yesterday on

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Speaker 8: CNN rom Emmanuel of course, the Fromer mayor of Chicago,

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01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 8: former Congressman Fromer Obama administration official. He's somebody that's really

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Speaker 8: presenting himself as a potential candidate.

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Speaker 4: For the Democrats in twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 8: And you know, even he said that his party needs

1541
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 8: to figure out what they're actually for versus just being

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01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 8: against Donald Trump and against everything.

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Speaker 6: That he stands for.

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Speaker 8: And you know, I think that was honestly a little

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01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 8: bit refreshing to hear that. And then also Gavin Newsom,

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01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 8: of course, governor of California, he also said that, I

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01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 8: think the exact line was that the Democrat Party needs

1548
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 8: to be a mansion to mom dommy party. So you know,

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01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 8: he realizes that the coalition, if the Democrats want to

1550
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 8: win in twenty twenty eight, has to be big, it

1551
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 8: has to be broad, and so they can't have these

1552
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 8: ultra progressive, progressive populous that are gaining notoriety. I would

1553
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 8: even argue, not he's necessarily same, but just really true notoriety.

1554
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 8: They can't have them as a figurehead of their party

1555
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 8: because that's not going to play. And those you know,

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01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 8: those you always talk about the swing states, that's primarily

1557
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 8: what I covered in the last election in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 8: That's not going to play in a bunch of those communities.

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Speaker 2: Victoria Churchill's political report. Usaly Mail also contributed for Young Voices.

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Speaker 2: Joined the show this morning and talking about the next

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01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: shutdown in about ten weeks because obviously, as divide as

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01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 2: we are, and what the the powers that be simply

1563
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 2: what happens, what happens with Schumer, we'll see who knows.

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01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 2: At this point, you'd expect there'd be some change in

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Speaker 2: the next few weeks, but that sets up another that's

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01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 2: such another fight. And I look at this and go,

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Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure who won the shutdown. It's it

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01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 2: feels like a myth to me that both parties are

1569
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 2: claiming victory, but in blaming the other, what do you

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01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 2: think people buy?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think I heard this said quite well yesterday,

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01:13:55,880 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 8: is that the Republicans one in terms of pol seeds,

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01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 8: but Democrats won very slightly in terms of public opinion.

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Speaker 8: And I think that's the best way to sum it

1575
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 8: up is that Democrats caved on absolutely nothing. But also

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Speaker 8: I think it's important to note that this continuing Resolution

1577
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 8: government funding package is actually not conservative in the slightest.

1578
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 8: It is a continuing resolution, so it is a continuing

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Speaker 8: of Biden era federal spending. And another point that well,

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Speaker 8: I guess i'll correct myself a little bit. The one

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01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 8: thing that the Democrats did went on is that they

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01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 8: are having the reversions of the reductions of force. So

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01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 8: people that had their jobs cut over the course of

1584
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 8: the shutdowns, they now are getting those jobs back. And

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Speaker 8: so you know, we've been talking about the throughout the

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Speaker 8: entire Trumps administration so far about all these wonderful dog's

1587
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 8: cups and how that's going to save people money. Democrats

1588
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 8: were able to put their foot down and say we

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01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 8: actually want these.

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01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 4: People to keep their jobs, which I thought was a

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01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 4: little bit interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting. You know, federal workers alway support Democrats.

1593
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,879
Speaker 2: Nothing new there in those big unions. But the subjects,

1594
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 2: the guarantees on subjects is what they gave up to me.

1595
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 2: That's the big one here, and I've talked about before,

1596
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 2: is that Democrats are taking money from a different pile

1597
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 2: than transferring it to make healthcare affordable, which it's not.

1598
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 2: But only if Republicans had a plan that would be great,

1599
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 2: because they just talk about how bad it is. But

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Speaker 2: we've had what it's been ten fifteen years and they

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01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 2: still want to repeal and replace, but they don't have

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01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 2: a plan. I mean, how long does it take for

1603
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 2: the GOP to come up with a healthcare plan that's

1604
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 2: better than this? And why don't they do it?

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01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, that's a great question, and that's definitely

1606
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 8: a debate that's going to be raging on top of

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01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 8: the hill over the next few weeks. That's when I'm

1608
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 8: going to be falling very closely, so you know, for

1609
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 8: all your listeners, be sure to follow my work at

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01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 8: Dailymail on that. But I actually do want to make

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01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 8: a quick note on terms of the unions. I actually

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01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 8: thought this was very interesting from the President with these signs, Yeah,

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01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 8: you know, to build a reels in the government. It's

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01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 8: he actually thinks the unions, he thinks the AFGE, the

1615
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 8: American Federation government employees, as well as groups like the

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01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 8: police unions. He actually thanks them for putting pressure on

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01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 8: Democrats reop in the government. So I thought that was

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01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 8: a very interesting note from him, in a very interesting

1619
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:10,799
Speaker 8: move from those groups previously, because again the AfD Government

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01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 8: Workers Union, they were actually one of the major groups

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01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 8: that started putting pressure on Democrats about a week to

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01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 8: ten days before the shutdown ended.

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01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 2: You know, the term unsustainable brinkmanship has been used here,

1624
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 2: and so what does a sustainable aproach look like? Is

1625
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 2: there any political incentive free the party at this point

1626
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 2: to pursue a long term budget entitlement reform revenue solutions

1627
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 2: or is this just the way it's going to be

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Speaker 2: for the rest of our lives.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, I would hope that some of these

1630
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 8: guys in Washington would come to their senses, but they

1631
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 8: of course like yelling at each other. They like yelling

1632
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 8: at each other through the TV screens. So I'm not

1633
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 8: sure if we will actually get something like a long

1634
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 8: term budget. But I also do know that the Trump

1635
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,560
Speaker 8: administration is looking and has again been talking about for

1636
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 8: the entirety of their time in office, about long term

1637
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 8: cuts that can lead to a balanced budget. You know,

1638
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 8: we've had talked about the you know, the tariff revenue

1639
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 8: potentially going to pay down some of the national debt. Personally,

1640
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 8: I would love to see if they've spent on that

1641
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 8: instead of those two thousand dollars tecks, even though you know, personally,

1642
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 8: of course I'd love the two thousand dollars tecks. But

1643
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 8: you know, I think long terms for the country, it

1644
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 8: would really, uh really set us up for success if

1645
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 8: we are able to pay down some of that debt.

1646
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 8: And you know, of course, I think the thing that's

1647
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 8: interesting to note is that lots of state governments actually

1648
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 8: do know how to pass balance budgets.

1649
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 4: So you know, it's not like the.

1650
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 8: American system is so terrible that nobody can figure out

1651
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 8: anywhere how to balance the budget. And you know, maybe

1652
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 8: maybe not in this current administration, but I'm sure in

1653
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 8: twenty twenty eight, on the Republican side, I'm sure we'll

1654
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 8: see a couple of governors running for office that actually say, hey,

1655
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 8: I know how to work with people that may not

1656
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 8: necessarily like me, but to actually have you know, that

1657
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 8: boon to the tax there. And you know, I think

1658
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 8: he's done somethings great, something's not so great. But Glenn Youngkin,

1659
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 8: my governor Virginia, I think he's actually a pretty good

1660
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 8: example of that. He's had to work with a legislature

1661
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 8: that at least expas at least a part of his

1662
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 8: term has you know, been a Democrat, right, but legislature

1663
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 8: as opposed to of course him being the Republican governor.

1664
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 8: And we've actually gotten rebate tech back into the pockets

1665
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 8: of Virginians with a balanced budget. So you know, maybe

1666
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 8: not an immediate term, but that's actually just an example

1667
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 8: of the fact that you actually can't have both. You

1668
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 8: can you know, fund your your state services, but you

1669
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,520
Speaker 8: can also send money back to the factors.

1670
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Speaker 2: The shutdown all over ACA Affordable Care Act subsidies is

1671
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 2: ten weeks too short a period for the Republicans to

1672
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 2: come up with, Okay, fine, we're going to we're going

1673
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 2: to do this battle again. We're going to replay it

1674
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 2: and run it back. Is that enough time for them

1675
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 2: to actually come up with a plan that's a better alternative.

1676
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 2: If they couldn't do it in a decade decade and

1677
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 2: a half, could they do it now?

1678
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 8: Well exactly, I think you're hitting the nail on the

1679
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 8: head here. Why do something in ten weeks from you

1680
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,560
Speaker 8: haven't done it in ten years? You know, if the

1681
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 8: only answer might be political pressure, is that going to

1682
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 8: be enough?

1683
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

1684
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 8: And again I don't know if the administration is willing

1685
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 8: to lead on this. At least the way that I'm

1686
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,600
Speaker 8: seeing it is the legis the administration actually kind of

1687
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 8: took a back seat in.

1688
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Speaker 4: Terms of negotiations.

1689
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 8: At least I wasn't aware of them, you know, really

1690
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 8: pulling any lovers behind the strings. This really seemed to

1691
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 8: be the you know they call them the Big four, right,

1692
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 8: that's you know, Schumer, Soon, Jeff Brees, and Johnson. It

1693
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 8: really seemed like they were doing a lot of the

1694
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 8: negotiations as well as you know, I think maybe the

1695
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,799
Speaker 8: administration did have some play in terms of for example,

1696
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Speaker 8: the I did here. For example, Senator Katie Britt of Alabama,

1697
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 8: she actually called the White House to get those those

1698
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 8: risks that we just talked about, to get those in

1699
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 8: the in the budget package to get people like Kim

1700
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,560
Speaker 8: Kaine on board. So, you know, I think there was

1701
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 8: a little bit of that, but I think they were

1702
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 8: more of like a yeah, Okay, we can do this

1703
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 8: versus this is exactly what we want and these are

1704
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 8: the demands that we have. And so maybe if the

1705
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Speaker 8: administration is willing to kind of wheel and build behind

1706
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 8: the scenes, which you know, I think we know that

1707
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 8: they are able to do that. I think we saw that,

1708
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 8: for example with the Big Beautiful Bill. I think I

1709
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 8: had some lines that I've reported actually both out of

1710
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 8: the House and the Senate that you know, the White

1711
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 8: House was kind of the closer and the deal maker

1712
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 8: when it came to the Big Beautiful Billy. You know,

1713
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 8: I think they know how to be involved legislatively and

1714
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 8: know how to drive traffic, but I don't really think

1715
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 8: they did that on the shutdown. So I think if

1716
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,600
Speaker 8: they're able to kind of get their demands and be

1717
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 8: in the room, maybe that's something that could actually leave

1718
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 8: lead Congress to get there, you know, get their ducks

1719
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 8: in a row.

1720
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: All right.

1721
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 2: Victoria Churchill, she's at USDLAIL Political Report also with Young Voices.

1722
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: And why don't we table it? And we'll have the

1723
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: same exact conversation about ten weeks. How's that sound.

1724
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, absolutely, and hopefully let's say catch up sooner

1725
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 8: while I try and figure out what's going to happen.

1726
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 4: No care on capital.

1727
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,799
Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate it. Thanks for the inside Victoria,

1728
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1729
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 4: Great.

1730
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 2: We'll do a news in a few minutes here in

1731
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 2: the Big one seven hundred WLW, and then you heading

1732
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 2: to the lunch hour. He needs something to talk about.

1733
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 2: Arm yourself with the facts, the information. James Rapeene from

1734
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 2: Locked on Bengals and Bengals Talk dot com well rehashed

1735
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 2: the horrible lopsided loss yesterday when the by the way,

1736
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 2: with the Bengals, you've got you got the backup quarter

1737
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 2: ry back in for the second half in Mason Rudolph.

1738
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 2: You got a terrible Steelers defense. I mean they're they're

1739
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 2: really bad. Maybe not Bengals bad, but pretty close. And

1740
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 2: you still put that effort in that we saw yesterday.

1741
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 2: The offense gave up fourteen points. The defense played well decent,

1742
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 2: not great, but okay, and yet the offense is the

1743
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 2: one who gave up fourteen points. And at what point

1744
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 2: does this, you know, start looks like it's starting to

1745
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 2: the defense is starting to infect the offense. And at

1746
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 2: what point do you simply have to move on from

1747
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor and Duke Tobin? And what about Joe Burrow?

1748
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 2: That's next seven hundred. It's the stats loan shows seven

1749
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:59,839
Speaker 2: hundreds WLW licking our wounds after the beatdown yesterday administered

1750
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 2: that Hans the Pittsburgh Steelers thirty four to twelve. Bengals

1751
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 2: now sit at three and seven, meaning they've dropped seven

1752
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: of their last eight after that two game two and

1753
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 2: oh start and at next up back to pay Corps

1754
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 2: for Derek May and the first place New England Patriots.

1755
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 2: How we looking We're looking like it's over. James Repeat

1756
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 2: is here from Lockdown Bengals and Bengals Talk dot Com

1757
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 2: at s I. James, welcome. How's your head today?

1758
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: Not good?

1759
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 4: Right?

1760
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 3: Not good?

1761
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 4: No, it's of course, you caught me taking a drink

1762
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 4: of water, Scott. No, it's good, it's good. It's it's

1763
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 4: actually clear. And here's why we know who the twenty

1764
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 4: twenty five Bengals are. And when you know that, you

1765
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 4: can think pretty clearly. But yeah, it's obviously not the

1766
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 4: ault that a lot of people listening, were expecting to

1767
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,879
Speaker 4: get this year or hoping to get yesterday.

1768
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 2: You come off the buy the Steelers d is, by

1769
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 2: the way, near the bottom in the average of the league.

1770
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 2: I think the twenty eight twenty nine do you get

1771
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,839
Speaker 2: their backup quarterback for the second half and Mason Rudolph

1772
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,799
Speaker 2: the cast off and you still lose by three touchdowns.

1773
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 2: You know, that's on Zach Taylor, and that's the lack

1774
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 2: of defensive talent, and that's on Duke Tobin. And yet

1775
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 2: at what point does this organization make a change? I

1776
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 2: feel it's there's no way they can lead this team

1777
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: in the future.

1778
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 3: Is there.

1779
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 4: It's a good point, the Mason Rudolph point. And I

1780
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 4: almost think there was so much that happened during that

1781
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 4: game that stood out that people forget. That wasn't Aaron

1782
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 4: Rodgers out there completing seventy five percent of his passes

1783
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 4: in the second half and marching up and down the field.

1784
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 4: And that's where it's just so unacceptable. Is Mason Rudolph.

1785
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 4: All he had to do was throw it two yards

1786
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 4: downfield and then whoever was catching it. But there was

1787
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 4: Kenneth Gangwell, Darnel Washington. It didn't matter guess what those

1788
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,959
Speaker 4: guys were doing. They were breaking tackles, they were scoring touchdowns.

1789
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:05,560
Speaker 4: In Kenneth Gainwolf's case, they were humiliating multiple members of

1790
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 4: your starting defense. And so the answer is, yes, everyone

1791
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 4: should be embarrassed. I think the seats are hot, or

1792
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 4: at least they should be hot. And in how do

1793
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 4: you readout? Because that was a must win game and

1794
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 4: not just they must win game for us, like something

1795
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 4: I said on my platforms. No, that's how the Bengals

1796
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 4: approached it internally. Hey, Joe Burrow's getting close. If we

1797
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 4: win this game, we're only a game back in the division.

1798
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 4: We have two matchups against Baltimore. Let's get this game.

1799
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 4: And they came out, scored twelve points, had far more

1800
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 4: than twelve miss tackles. And anytime you have more tax

1801
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 4: than miss tackle open points, guess what, you have no

1802
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 4: chance And they certainly had no chance.

1803
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's the deep.

1804
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 2: You look at the score, right, it's typically you go, okay, well,

1805
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 2: what did Pittsburgh change defensively in scheme and personnel and coverage?

1806
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 2: And they shut Ja March down more than that in

1807
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: the second with his suspension that he's probably facing.

1808
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: But I look at it.

1809
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 2: They allowed fourteen points on offense. It was the defense collapsing.

1810
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 2: That was the offense collapsing, which is well.

1811
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 1: That's new.

1812
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 4: It is new, and I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked.

1813
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 4: It was a really weird debate that I had to

1814
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 4: have last week with some Bengals fans, like, hey, Joe

1815
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 4: Burrow makes this team better. And I thought I was

1816
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 4: in weird, weird land that I had to say that

1817
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 4: to people, because I know how great Joe Burrow is

1818
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,799
Speaker 4: and Joe Flacker has been good. But I also understand

1819
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 4: that he's Joe Flacmow and we have twenty years of

1820
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 4: what he is as a quarterback, and so yeah, he

1821
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 4: took a little bit of a step back yesterday. It

1822
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 4: wasn't just him, of course, I think the Jamar thing

1823
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 4: to me that speaking of stuff that falls on Dak,

1824
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 4: all right, well, what's your next pitch? If they do

1825
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 4: take Tamar Chapes away, Either find a way to get

1826
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 4: him the ball anyway, or two, make sure t Higgins

1827
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:05,759
Speaker 4: or andre Yosabash or insert whoever else it is open

1828
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 4: and gives Joe Flacos some easy reads and easy ways

1829
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 4: to get the ball out of his hand. And they

1830
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 4: clearly didn't do that after that opening drive touchdown, and

1831
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 4: really for most of the second half, they could not

1832
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 4: get Mo rhythm on offense, and that's up to Zach

1833
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 4: to find those answers, and they weren't able to find

1834
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 4: the answers on offense. And I knew they would come

1835
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 4: back to earth a little bit on offense. But yeah,

1836
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 4: scoring twelve points, you have no chance to win many

1837
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 4: games in the NFL and.

1838
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 2: Losen to a backup and it's so disheartening, right, And

1839
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 2: so now the question is, Okay, you've got New England

1840
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 2: come of to town. Okay, you'd have to win six

1841
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 2: of your last seven for even a shot at the

1842
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 2: division title. And you've got New England, you got Baltimore twice,

1843
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 2: they're rolling Buffalo one yesterday. Miami has been playing much

1844
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 2: better than Miami has in years past. And so do

1845
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 2: you see a path here? Because I don't.

1846
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 4: No, No, yesterday was it. And I think internally they

1847
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 4: viewed it that way too. And the reason I keep

1848
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 4: saying that is because I really want to hammer home

1849
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 4: what they were, what they were preaching, and how they

1850
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 4: were preaching it Still alive, Let's get this game in

1851
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh and see how it shakes out. Well, you never

1852
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 4: had a lead, you know, it was it was so bad.

1853
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 4: It was like to me after the game, Zack Taylor said,

1854
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 4: the score wasn't indicative of the game like and how

1855
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 4: the game went. And I thought about it, and yeah,

1856
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,640
Speaker 4: there were times obviously there was seven to six at

1857
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 4: one point, ten to nine at one point. I never

1858
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 4: felt like the Bengals were in control. I never felt

1859
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 4: like they were the better team yesterday. And that doesn't

1860
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 4: mean that they weren't in it at point. That doesn't

1861
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 4: mean that they couldn't have found a way to get

1862
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 4: the lead at it and point. I get that, I

1863
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 4: understand that, but there's a difference between that and being

1864
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 4: in control, and they never were. And so I think

1865
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 4: the score certainly indicated how the game went and who

1866
01:27:55,439 --> 01:28:00,560
Speaker 4: was the better team for sixty minutes, And that's that's concerning.

1867
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 4: At least I would be concerned if I was ownership

1868
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 4: about that, because that was the game and that's the.

1869
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 2: Performance you got, you know it, it was a punt fest,

1870
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 2: and so it was I think the last drive of

1871
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 2: the first half, Washington's angry run with less than a

1872
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 2: minute in the first half, he leveled three Bengals for

1873
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 2: thirty one yards. That is, if you're to look at

1874
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 2: this season on microcosm of things, that was the inability

1875
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 2: to tackle and block is incredible at this level for

1876
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 2: this team. The pun ended with Pittsburgh down at there

1877
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 2: on seven yard lines and they were able to convert

1878
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: that move about eighty four yards and under two minutes

1879
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 2: and took a shot at the end zone before the

1880
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 2: field goal. Now it was what ten six at the half,

1881
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 2: Chase brown legs get them to ten to nine, and

1882
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 2: so for the longest time it felt, hey, this game

1883
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 2: is not a reach at all. And then the second

1884
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 2: half comes along and usually it's defensive collapse, but we

1885
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 2: saw a complete collapse of the offense in that regard,

1886
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 2: and so you wonder if what's going on in the

1887
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 2: football club the defense has now permeated to the offense.

1888
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 2: And look at this will time somewhat with Jamar Chase's actions,

1889
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 2: where now it looks like he's looking at at least

1890
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 2: a game suspension for the spit and getting physical with

1891
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey. So does that attitude then transfer to now

1892
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 2: the offense. It's it's like an infection. It feels like,

1893
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 2: am I wrong?

1894
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 4: Well, no, losing is an infection, and when you're losing

1895
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:28,640
Speaker 4: and you're frustrated and you look up and you're just

1896
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:32,679
Speaker 4: not getting anything going, well, it is frustrating. I honestly

1897
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 4: don't know why Jamar gives Jalen the time of days.

1898
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 4: Jalen Ramsey is not as nearly the player that he

1899
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 4: used to be, and you had to switch positions, and

1900
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 4: all I would call him is an old man that

1901
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 4: had to switch positions, and that would be it. But

1902
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:52,600
Speaker 4: they clearly got in his head, and that, to me,

1903
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 4: that's concerning because I think Jamar Chase is mentally tough,

1904
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 4: I really do. And so if you get in his

1905
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 4: head and what's going on where he's rattled that the

1906
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 4: team isn't moving the ball, like how bad is it?

1907
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 4: And so to your point, like, yeah, the defense finally

1908
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 4: shows up for a half, I'm not going to give

1909
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 4: them credit for not being able to stop me. Some

1910
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 4: Rudolf fish up for a half, they give up ten points,

1911
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 4: still can't tackle Scott Sloan, let alone start in Washington.

1912
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 4: And then on the other side you have a washed

1913
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 4: up Jalen Ramsey. And I'm not trying to say that,

1914
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 4: like the pick sides, I just mean going into Sunday's game,

1915
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 4: I really wasn't worried about Jalen and he shouldn't be

1916
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 4: good at He shouldn't be good enough to disrupt any

1917
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 4: game plan you have, right, Jamar Chasen C Higgins And

1918
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 4: so I don't know what the Steelers did to take

1919
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 4: those guys away, but that that really shouldn't happen, and

1920
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 4: yet it did because he didn't do much after his

1921
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 4: his touchdown catch either. But yeah, for for Jamar to

1922
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 4: be that rattled, that's that's the league guy that you

1923
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 4: were turning to. And it does show where his head

1924
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 4: at and probably where the team is that to a

1925
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 4: lesser extent, knowing what they they knew and by the way,

1926
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 4: in that moment, I did think, I was like, all right,

1927
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 4: well maybe this will be a turning point where you're down,

1928
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 4: You've been down through the office game. You get the

1929
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 4: fifteen yard penalty, you're in scoring range. And then they

1930
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 4: settled for a field and they had to take two timeouts,

1931
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 4: and they had analty in attack, and instead of going

1932
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 4: and getting a touchdown and goving some momentum with jam

1933
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 4: and Ramsey out, it was sort of the opposite. The

1934
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 4: Steelers defense was even better, even harder to deal with,

1935
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 4: and in the Bengals they could not could not get anything.

1936
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 2: Going on off of Pittsburgh converted seven to thirteen third downs,

1937
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 2: including multiple third and longs. And then Barrett Carter at

1938
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 2: the end talked about, well, this should be ended on defense.

1939
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 2: But I'll look at Barrett Carter. He got the green

1940
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 2: die for defensive calls after they got rid of Logan

1941
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 2: Wilson and has continued to struggle.

1942
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 1: So there's your core.

1943
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 2: And then you could talk about how bad Jordan battlings,

1944
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,679
Speaker 2: you know, Stone look and the inability to tackle guys

1945
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 2: and yards after tackle, but it's all part of the

1946
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 2: same thing.

1947
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is.

1948
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:22,600
Speaker 4: It's the the tackles. To me, like a lot of

1949
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 4: people are gonna say Darnel Washington, right, like, oh, he's

1950
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 4: such a big you can't tack Well, then why don't

1951
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 4: the Steelers throw to him every time?

1952
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 6: Right?

1953
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 4: It's because he can be tackled, right, And yeah, he's

1954
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 4: a really good athlete. Throw him out of back, like

1955
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 4: if he's near out of bounce, just make sure he

1956
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 4: gets out of bounce. And you know, Barrett Carter gets

1957
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 4: stiff armed into the ground, and then Gino Stone. It

1958
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,679
Speaker 4: was the poorest tackle of I mean he was waiting

1959
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 4: and turning before even coming in contact with Washington. I look,

1960
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 4: I don't really understand why they continue to deal with

1961
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 4: Genos Stone lack of efforts in miss tackles. I think

1962
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 4: Barrett Carter is really searching here and he got shaken

1963
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 4: out of the shoes multiple times. Pat Fryar and Mouth

1964
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 4: got him. Kenneth Gainwell got him. Yeah, And that's what's

1965
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 4: wild is the two leading receivers for the Steelers. Wasn't

1966
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 4: dk Metcalf, it wasn't Calvin Austin. They're speeding young receiver

1967
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 4: and no, no, no, it's Kenneth Gainwell. They're backup running back.

1968
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 4: Seven catches eighty one yards, two touchdowns. And Darnell Washington,

1969
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 4: a tight end that really is kind of like another

1970
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 4: offensive tackle that they use for blocking purposes. But because

1971
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 4: you're so bad at miss tackles, you're so bad and

1972
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 4: not physical enough that that's what you had to deal

1973
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 4: with in Darnell Washington. In a game that had Jamar

1974
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 4: Chase dk Met, captain Te Kakings had the longest catch

1975
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 4: up the game, thirty one yards.

1976
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 2: You're making Dark Washington look like he's you know, prime

1977
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey or Gronk or something like that.

1978
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:57,599
Speaker 1: That's not the cat.

1979
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 2: He's a good player, but that's not the case. And

1980
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 2: guys are bouncing off of him. And it makes no

1981
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 2: sense until you get back to the central thesis here,

1982
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 2: and that's Zach Taylor and that is certainly Duke Tobin.

1983
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 2: And you wonder how much long this goes on. Or

1984
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,600
Speaker 2: let's say that the New England comes in and the

1985
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 2: game goes according to Hoyle and they get smoked. Then

1986
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 2: what I mean, what point do you go, Okay, We've

1987
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 2: got to stop the bleeding here because you're seeing season

1988
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 2: ticket holders jump off the cliff. The lack of interest

1989
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 2: in the football team. They just got the new stadium

1990
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 2: deal put together. It's not a good look that they

1991
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 2: even care.

1992
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 4: They better care because here's why they should care. Like

1993
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 4: if they called me, said James, why should we care,

1994
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 4: Joe Burrows hurt whatever? As someone that has I mean,

1995
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 4: I wrote a book, I wrote End of the Jungle

1996
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:51,680
Speaker 4: Book about the history of the Bengals. They have, Their

1997
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 4: window to win a title should be the most open

1998
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 4: that it's ever been during any part of their franchise

1999
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 4: because right now when Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and

2000
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 4: t Higgins John on the same team, and it obviously

2001
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 4: doesn't feel that way today, and so that one is

2002
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 4: embarrassing too. You can't screw up your chance to make

2003
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 4: a real run here and to get your Super Bowl

2004
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 4: because you know how hard it is to get and

2005
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 4: you have the quarterback to do it. You do, and

2006
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 4: so do you have the coach to do it? Do

2007
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:29,680
Speaker 4: you have the front office to do it? Do you

2008
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 4: have the scouting part of the department to do it?

2009
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 4: And do you have the rest of the coaching stats

2010
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 4: to do it? Even before we get to all right,

2011
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 4: we'll clear you don't have the players to do it.

2012
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 4: I think you know Stone isn't a good player. I

2013
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 4: don't have to tell you that. Should you really be

2014
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 4: starting two rookie linebackers and Orenburg's probably not, you know,

2015
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 4: it doesn't take a football savant to see them, as

2016
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:54,680
Speaker 4: he said, But the higher level discussions they need to

2017
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,679
Speaker 4: be had now because it needs to get fixed. We've

2018
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 4: seen it get fixed in or her To twenty twenty one.

2019
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 4: Look how different they were different as a team, and

2020
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 4: that was without major coaching changes. Yeah, but I definitely

2021
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:11,640
Speaker 4: think that that's something you have to consider as well

2022
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 4: as the coaching part of this, given where you're at

2023
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 4: and given the fact that you're more than likely going

2024
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 4: to go three years in a row now without making.

2025
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 1: It's not acceptable.

2026
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 4: It's not acceptable, and it doesn't even feel like you're

2027
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:27,680
Speaker 4: gonna have a chance in December. Yeah, just to make

2028
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 4: a room.

2029
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's Taylor, but it's it's just as much,

2030
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 2: if not more, Duke Tobin with the personalities get on defense.

2031
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 2: It's just simply it's not working. What he sees is

2032
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 2: how to whack with what the NFL demands for your players.

2033
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 2: Final question for a James at this rate, what is

2034
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 2: the point of bringing Joe Burrow back?

2035
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 4: And that that's what if they get to three and eight?

2036
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 4: I said it lastly, if they called a three and eight,

2037
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 4: I would not bring him back.

2038
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 1: Why would you?

2039
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 4: And uh So, it's exactly right, And I get it.

2040
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,520
Speaker 4: If he's healthy, he wants to play. He's a competitor

2041
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:04,560
Speaker 4: that well. And I think there's one person in that

2042
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 4: building that can have that conversation, and that would be

2043
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 4: Mike Brown. I don't think Zach Taylor is capable of it. No,

2044
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 4: I don't think Dotoga is capable of it. I don't

2045
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 4: think Katie Blackburn or Towards Blackburn is capable. I think

2046
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 4: Mike Brown is someone that can say, look, Joe, you

2047
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 4: can play. We know it, We know you give us

2048
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 4: our best chance. But this is about the twenty twenty

2049
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 4: six Bengals. Now, you aren't going to play. We aren't

2050
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 4: going to activate you in your twenty one day window.

2051
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 4: We know you want to play, and we respect that,

2052
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 4: but this is a decision we have to make because

2053
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 4: we have to evaluate the rest of this rockter, yeah,

2054
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 4: this coaching staff, and see what other changes we have

2055
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 4: to make because we are not going to be We

2056
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 4: are not going to be sitting at home in January

2057
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 4: again next year, right.

2058
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 2: And God forbid, nothing season ending, career ending injury happens.

2059
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 2: I mean again, to look at Washington a couple of

2060
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 2: weeks ago and look what happened next.

2061
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if he reaggravates his toe and it just

2062
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:07,560
Speaker 4: drops his office in training, you just don't want to

2063
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 4: deal with.

2064
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:09,680
Speaker 1: You don't want to do that. But now, what's the

2065
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: likelihood Mike Brown has that conversation.

2066
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 4: I think it's good. I do I think Mike. The

2067
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 4: thing that I think Mike is best at and it

2068
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 4: annoys a lot of people and sometimes annoys me when

2069
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 4: it comes to making moves and trades and stuff like that.

2070
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 4: But he does not act with emotion. He's very He's

2071
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:34,760
Speaker 4: like a robot. And so he's not going to overreact.

2072
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 4: After you signed Joe bro to this record setting deal

2073
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 4: and now he's got a calf issue, He's not going

2074
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:40,640
Speaker 4: to say, oh man, you got to get this guy

2075
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:42,639
Speaker 4: on the field. He's not going to do that. He's

2076
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 4: going to do the opposite. He's not going to overreact

2077
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 4: after one loss because he knows it's a long season.

2078
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 4: He's not going to do and I think that's why

2079
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 4: a lot of people like him, and so I think

2080
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 4: he's going to look at this from a that type

2081
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 4: of perspective. Now, is there a chance Joe gets back

2082
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 4: on the field. Sure, you know why. He's even more

2083
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,560
Speaker 4: important than Mike Brown. He's the most important person in

2084
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,640
Speaker 4: the building, no question, And so could he get his

2085
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 4: way back on the field. Maybe the odds are greatest

2086
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 4: that that does happen. But if they're three and eight,

2087
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 4: I'm not chatting him out there on Thanksgiving and they

2088
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 4: fall to three and nine, and really, what is the point?

2089
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 4: And I do think they're going to be three and nine,

2090
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:21,599
Speaker 4: by the way, maybe with or without Joe Burrow. I'm

2091
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 4: not sure it's gonna matter.

2092
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:24,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's over at this point. Thirty four

2093
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 2: to twelve the final yesterday, Pittsburgh, James Rapeene. More on

2094
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 2: this at Bengals Talk dot com and the Daily podcast

2095
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 2: locks on Bengals James, all the best will chat again

2096
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 2: next week, as with the season, will never end. Appreciate

2097
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, buddy, I have a good one, Thanks God,

2098
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:44,320
Speaker 2: appreciate it. I've got to get to news update here momentarily,

2099
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 2: and Willie takes over at twelve oh six. Here, I'm

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