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Speaker 2: You know what, good for the Miami Radhawks.

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Speaker 4: forty five, I went to Mallett Hall last night and yeah, man,

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Speaker 4: And so I went and watched Miami for much of

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Speaker 4: The Bengals just had an amazingly disappointing season. Call it

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Speaker 4: This season has been defined by fan disaffection, Wes Miller

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Speaker 2: It's a very good tool.

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Speaker 4: Now the dollar figures involved on the spreadsheet that he

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Speaker 4: So go check it out. The dollar figures aren't to

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Speaker 4: the penny, they're rough estimates. But to go listen to

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Speaker 4: the conversation. It's available on the iHeartRadio app or mypage

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Speaker 4: at ESPN fifteen to thirty dot com. I think if

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Speaker 4: walk away with the same impression that I walked away with,

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Speaker 4: which is what the Bengals need to do this offseason,

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Speaker 4: at least financially, is doable. Now, you've got to get

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Speaker 4: players to want to come play for you, and then

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Speaker 4: the players who come play for you, you need more

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Speaker 4: out of them. You've got a draft well, and you've

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Speaker 4: got a draft for impact. But if the idea for

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Speaker 4: you is offseason defensive overhaul, what I don't think you

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Speaker 4: they've spent too much money on offense. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: of dough available. You might not need to do a

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Speaker 4: spreadsheet in order to know that. But I talked about

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Speaker 4: a really good conversation. I went into that exercise wanting

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Speaker 4: five starting caliber players on defense. Now there's good discussions

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Speaker 4: to be had about you know where you should prioritize

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Speaker 4: on defense. Duke Tobin's kind of tipped his hand a

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Speaker 4: little bit. I think by saying that quote, pass rush

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Speaker 2: I want to replicate. I think you would like this

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Speaker 2: if you're a Bengals fan.

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Speaker 4: The idea should be to replicate on some level the

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Speaker 4: work they did in free agency to build the twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty one to twenty twenty two defense. Not the splashiest moves.

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Speaker 4: When the Bengal signed DJ Reider, and that was in

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Speaker 4: the early days of COVID because I remember doing the

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Speaker 4: show from home, But when the Bengal signed DJ Reader,

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Speaker 4: it didn't I don't remember the breaking news banner popping

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Speaker 4: up on the NFL networker on ESPN. It was Bengal

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Speaker 4: signed a guy from the Texans who had a good

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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson was. There are a lot of folks who

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Speaker 4: were not on board with the Trey Hendrickson signing because

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Speaker 4: he wasn't great against the run or yeah, I piled

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Speaker 4: up a bunch of sacks, but they were coverage sacks

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Speaker 4: and on plays where it was third and fifteen, and

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Speaker 4: none of those guys Mike Hilton von Bell should o

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Speaker 4: be Woozia not a whole lot of those guys were

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Speaker 4: just major household names. I'm looking to do something similar here,

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Speaker 4: which is acquire starting caliber players, add some leadership, add

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Speaker 4: on the defensive line. Find better, more reliable linebackers. Maybe

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Speaker 4: maybe some older linebackers like Bobby Wagner, who I had

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Speaker 4: on my spreadsheet, But linebackers who you know are going

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Speaker 4: can make the tackle.

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Speaker 2: And a better safety.

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Speaker 4: I was able to accomplish that doing the exercise, and

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Speaker 4: so I encourage you to do the same. But I

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Speaker 4: think this is now a lens through which we could

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Speaker 2: Financially and otherwise an.

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Speaker 4: Overhaul as possible, financially and otherwise, you are going to

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Speaker 4: be able to attack the defense by bringing in players

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Speaker 4: them are going to be like huge difference makers, maybe

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Speaker 4: none of them are going to be stars. But what

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Speaker 4: you will often hear about the Bengals. And I bring

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Speaker 4: this up now because you know, super Bowl Week is

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Speaker 4: next week and it's when everybody really focus focuses in

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Speaker 4: on the upcoming offseason, and Burrow, I'm sure is going

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Speaker 4: to make the rounds. And many will say, like, well,

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Speaker 4: in Cincinnati, their hands are tied because of all the

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Speaker 4: money they've paid a handful of offensive players financially and mathematically,

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Speaker 4: that is not true. It is completely feasible to expect.

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Speaker 4: Let's make it four if you want, but I think

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Speaker 4: four or five, like legit starters on defense. And then

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Speaker 4: you know, because teams do do this, draft players who

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Speaker 4: can make an immediate impact.

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Speaker 2: It is the most.

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Speaker 4: Cliche thing we do every year, but it matters so

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Speaker 4: much this coming season. Three teams in the AFC North

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Speaker 4: with brand new head coaches. Maybe some built in growing

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Speaker 4: pains with all three. My guess is some built in

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Speaker 4: growing pains with at least one of them, maybe two,

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Speaker 4: maybe all three. Got to take advantage, got to take

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Speaker 4: that means your draft picks have to pay almost immediate dividends.

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Speaker 4: But you could approach free agency from the standpoint of

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Speaker 4: we need guys who are instant upgrades and in week

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Speaker 4: one can help us win. And in week one if

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Speaker 4: we score thirty eight points, which it is debatable whether

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Speaker 4: or not they will because of some recent early season

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Speaker 4: offensive struggles, We're not going to waste the offensive performance.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, go listen to Paul. It's available on the

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Speaker 4: Xavier's on the Roads and I trying to bounce back

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Speaker 4: after losing to Saint John's. The Muskies on Seaton Hall

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Speaker 4: NKU is at Detroit Mercy for the first of a

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Speaker 4: two game Michigan road trip. That game is going to

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Speaker 4: the Norris.

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Speaker 2: This report is sponsored by Seaton Hall. That game is

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Speaker 2: going to tip off at seven thirty.

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Speaker 4: NKU has the first of consecutive games in Michigan with

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Speaker 4: a tilt on a Friday evening against Detroit Mercy. Here

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Speaker 2: Our friend Rick Rowing.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Rick, Hey, Mel, how are you? I'm wonderful yourself

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Speaker 4: doing great good. Xavier overcomes a slow start against Saint

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Speaker 4: John's and they built a twelve point halftime lead and

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Speaker 4: then the wheels kind of fell off in the second half.

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Speaker 2: They lose the Saint John's by five. What happened.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 8: Saint John's played a lot more like Saint John's and

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Speaker 8: Xavier struggled to handle that physicality athleticism, especially on the

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Speaker 8: offensive glass and when their bigger forwards and centers were

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Speaker 8: taking it to them.

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Speaker 2: Off the dribble.

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Speaker 8: I thought that was the biggest difference in the game.

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Speaker 8: I know fans wanted to point to some of the

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Speaker 8: calls that were made down the stretch and point to

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Speaker 8: some of Xavier's failures, but you know, I thought they

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Speaker 8: were playing above their level to get that sixteen point

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Speaker 8: they actually did a pretty good job of weathering the

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Speaker 8: storm late after Saint John's had made the run, gotten

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Speaker 8: back into the game, had taken the lead. Saviors still

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Speaker 8: gave themselves chances down the stretch to win that game.

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Speaker 8: But in those final moments, the better team made the place.

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Speaker 2: Was the storm. Pun there intended or not?

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Speaker 8: No pun intended, no pun intended. It's just how my

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Speaker 2: I understand. I like it, we appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: What has stood out about how Richard Patino has coached

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Speaker 4: this team, and in particular relative to maybe what your

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Speaker 4: preseason expectations were.

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Speaker 8: He's overachieved from my expectation. I mean, if you remember

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Speaker 8: when Chad Brendle and I came into your studio to

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Speaker 8: do the preview show, I had him at eleven and

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Speaker 8: twenty overall, and so I think he's done a good

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Speaker 8: job in terms of having Xavier as competitive as they've been.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 8: The thing I talked about on my podcast at Musketeer

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Speaker 8: Report is you can look at this either way though

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Speaker 8: right now like that, the people who are optimistic and

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Speaker 8: positive and excited about Xavier basketball have all the evidence

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Speaker 8: they need from what they've seen from Richard Patina this

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Speaker 8: year to say I'm excited about the direction of the program.

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Speaker 7: I think he'll do a.

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Speaker 8: Great job going forward with a better off season, a

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Speaker 8: more productive offseason in the transfer portal, and the better

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Speaker 8: want to be negative, they've got all the evidence they

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Speaker 8: need too when they can say we got blown out

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Speaker 8: at home by Santa Clara, we had the worst loss

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Speaker 8: in Cintas history to create in by forty one points.

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Speaker 7: We got blown out by Yukon.

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Speaker 8: We lost a sixteen point second half lead, on our

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Speaker 8: home court against Saint John's, Like, those people aren't going

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Speaker 8: to be persuaded by Yeah, they've been competitive and played

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Speaker 8: better than Rick Browing's expectations in the preseason, So it's

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Speaker 8: kind of an interesting situation and team from that standpoint

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Speaker 8: right now.

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Speaker 4: Seaton Hall crept into the top twenty five. They had

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Speaker 4: first of a four game losing streak. How good or

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Speaker 8: Well, it depends on what end of the court you're

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Speaker 8: pretty bad. If you're on your offensive end, they're really good,

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Speaker 8: like elite top ten in the country. Good defensively, but

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Speaker 8: offensively not at all. They just don't have the skill

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Speaker 8: So if they're able to get steals and get out

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Speaker 8: when you don't give them those turnovers and you make

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Speaker 8: them play in a half court game, they're not very

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Speaker 8: effective offensively. I mean, it's truly going to be two

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Speaker 8: completely opposite styles going at it tonight in New Jersey.

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Speaker 8: Xavier wants to be finesse, swing the ball around the perimeter,

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Speaker 8: play free, flowing and fast offensively and outscore you. Seaton

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Speaker 8: Hall wants to grind you to a pulp score in

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Speaker 8: the sixties and you just beat you by a couple

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Speaker 8: points at the end of the game. It's all about

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Speaker 8: physicality and toughness with them, which has not been Xavier's strength,

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Speaker 8: especially if you watch the second half of that Saint

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Speaker 7: So I'm interested to see how it goes.

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Speaker 4: I went and watched, as you well know, NKU played

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Speaker 4: Cleveland State back in mid early to mid December, and

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Speaker 4: the Norris won that game. They were not awesome on

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Speaker 4: the defensive end, and you and I talked about, you

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Speaker 4: know what, that could end up being their fatal flaw.

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Speaker 4: Is that starting to sink this team based on the

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Speaker 4: previous two outings.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that the inconsistencies on the defensive end.

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Speaker 8: And I mean, again, as much as we want to

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Speaker 8: sit here and talk about NKU struggling defensively, they're still

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Speaker 8: I think they're now second in defensive efficiency in the conference.

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Speaker 8: Last week when we talked they were first in the conference,

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Speaker 8: so the metrics still say they're pretty darn good on

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Speaker 8: that end of the floor. But to your point, now,

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Speaker 8: I think in some of these games, in close games

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Speaker 8: the second half, in important moments, they have not been

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Speaker 8: consistent and they have not been able to come up

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Speaker 8: with the stops needed to win those games. And I

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Speaker 8: think Saturday was a bit of a step back for

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Speaker 8: NKU because it's the first time in conference play that

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Speaker 8: they've been defeated soundly. The other four losses were all

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Speaker 8: down to the final possessions and could have gone either way.

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Speaker 8: They just weren't able to come out with the win

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Speaker 8: the game at Right State. Your Right State was clearly

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Speaker 8: the better team. And so now if you're an MKU fan,

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Speaker 8: you're in a situation where this year in the Horizon League,

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Speaker 8: the top three seeds have a major advantage, or maybe

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Speaker 8: better put, if you're a fourth or fifth seed or below,

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Speaker 8: you put yourself in a much more difficult situation to

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Speaker 8: make a run to the Horizon League championship with the

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Speaker 8: way that they've changed the bracket. And so right now,

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Speaker 8: it's one thing early in the season and say, okay,

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Speaker 8: you let a couple of games get away from you.

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Speaker 8: But now when you've let five losses pile up, it

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Speaker 8: becomes crunch time. You have to really make a nice

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Speaker 8: run here at the end of the season to put

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Speaker 8: yourself in position for one of those top three seeds.

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Speaker 8: And with that in mind, this weekend series in Detroit

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Speaker 8: and Oakland are going to be huge games for NKU.

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Speaker 4: How often does a team in the Horizon League play

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Speaker 4: three consecutive road games?

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, if you're NKU, it seems to happen

687
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Speaker 8: all the time. If your other teams in the league,

688
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 8: you know, not quite as much. We haven't really been

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Speaker 8: able to solve why that is year after year. Uh,

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Speaker 8: but the league office, I'm sure we'll get back to

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Speaker 8: us soon.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, see if you can dive into that

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Speaker 4: and we'll talk next week.

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Speaker 2: Thank you as always. Hi, Thanks Bob.

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Speaker 4: That's our guy, Rick Browing Musketeer Report dot Com, NK

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Speaker 4: your radio.

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Speaker 2: He and Jim Kelch will have the call.

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Speaker 4: On Friday is the Norris Battle Detroit Mercy in Detroit,

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Speaker 4: and then two days later Greg Campies Oakland Grizzlies. Both

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Speaker 4: those games on ESPN fifteen thirty Xavier and Seaton hal Tonight.

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Speaker 4: Rick will have that covered for Musketeer Report dot Com

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Speaker 4: guest free until five o'clock. We're gonna go to mobile

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Speaker 4: uh and talk about some early NFL draft themes, some

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Speaker 4: storylines as they relate to the Bengals coming up at

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Speaker 2: We are looking forward to that.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's make an admission about Halls of Fame in

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Speaker 4: the aftermath of the clown Show that was the voting

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Speaker 4: that doesn't have Bill Belichick as a first ballot Hall

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Speaker 4: of Famer, which we That story came out while we

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Speaker 4: were on the air yesterday, and I've read a lot.

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Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of folks posts on social media.

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Speaker 4: I think we need to make an admission when it

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Speaker 4: comes to Halls of Fame. We will do that next

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Speaker 4: coach in the AFC North? Is it Zach Taylor been

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Speaker 4: to a Super Bowl? Is it Mike McCarthy who's won

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Speaker 4: Yesterday we found out Bill Belichick, the former head coach

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Speaker 4: of the New England Patriots and the current head coach

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Speaker 4: at the University of North Carolina, who did not have

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Speaker 4: a very good first season and was talking more about

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Speaker 4: because of his girlfriend, which I think is the silliest,

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Speaker 4: most boring story that people paid attention to in sports

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five. Is not going to be a

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Speaker 4: first ballot Hall of Famer and the group. Among the

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Speaker 4: group of voters, fifty people voted, he needed forty percent

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Speaker 4: of the vote eighty percent. He reportedly hasn't gotten the

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Speaker 4: forty percent. I think there's no doubt in anybody's mind

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Speaker 4: who's reasonable that this news was leaked by Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 4: He will be in the Hall of Fame one day.

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Speaker 4: He's not going to be in the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 4: on the first ballot, which is stupid. It's it's stupid

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Speaker 4: for a lot of different reasons. And I buy this

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Speaker 4: explanation that among the people who didn't vote for him,

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Speaker 4: and we don't know if that number was eleven people,

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Speaker 4: if it was twenty people, that those who didn't vote

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Speaker 4: for him had their own reasons, and the reasons were

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Speaker 4: among these three possibilities or four possibilities. One, you may

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Speaker 4: have folks who believe that nobody should be a first

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Speaker 4: ballot Hall of Famer. That perspective is stupid.

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Speaker 7: Sorry.

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Speaker 4: You may have had folks who just said, you know,

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Speaker 4: he's going to be in the Hall of Fame one day,

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Speaker 4: but I'm gonna hold spygate against him. I don't know

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Speaker 4: why anybody would hold to flate Gate against Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 4: He really wasn't implicated in deflate gate, which was for

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Speaker 4: the most part a nothing burger.

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Speaker 2: But whatever the.

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Speaker 4: Spygate thing was real caused the Patriots a draft choice.

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Speaker 4: Bill Belichick was fine to half a million dollars like

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Speaker 4: that was a thing that he got punished for. And

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Speaker 4: so I would be willing to bet there were voters,

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Speaker 4: maybe only a handful, who decided I'm not voting for him,

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Speaker 4: at least on the first ballot because of that. I

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Speaker 4: don't agree with that perspective, but I don't think it's

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Speaker 4: that unreasonable. I don't agree with it. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: football voting is different than baseball voting. Baseball we have

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Speaker 4: a character clause. We should not have a character clause,

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Speaker 4: because baseball writers should be tasked with picking the best

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Speaker 4: baseball players, not picking the best people. I don't know

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Speaker 4: why we've decided baseball writers are the ones who decide

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Speaker 4: who the best people are. But that's neither here nor there.

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Speaker 4: There's no such clause on the Pro Football Hall of

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Speaker 4: Fame ballot. So surely you had voters who said, you know,

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Speaker 4: for all the accomplishments, I just can't get over the

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Speaker 4: cheating scandal, and realistically it's scandal singular, but okay, And

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Speaker 4: then I'm sure you have voters who just said, you

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Speaker 4: know what, Bill Bellich was prickly, he was off putting,

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Speaker 4: he was standoffish. I didn't like his personality. It was

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Speaker 4: off putting, and so I'm not voting for him for

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Speaker 4: that reason. That perspective is completely unreasonable. That perspective is stupid.

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Speaker 4: That perspective is we're it's punishment by personality. That is petty,

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Speaker 4: it's vindictive, and you're not supposed to be exemplifying those

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Speaker 4: traits when you're filling out a Hall of Fame ballot.

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Speaker 4: The idea is to pick the figures who should be

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Speaker 4: immortalized with football's ultimate honor. To allow personality differences to

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Speaker 4: get in the way is just obtuse.

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Speaker 2: Like it just is ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: And we see this to a degree in baseball, but

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Speaker 4: at least baseball they have the stupid character clause. I

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Speaker 4: also think this theory is worth subscribing to that you

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Speaker 4: have folks who believed, you know what Bill Belichick is

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Speaker 4: going to get in anyway, There's a limit to the

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Speaker 4: number of people I can vote yes for, and so

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to give Belichick a vote because me

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Speaker 4: not voting for him is not going to keep him out.

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Speaker 4: I think it's very fair to wonder whether or not

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Speaker 4: there were voters who looked at it from that perspective.

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Speaker 4: You've heard this with baseball, where the baseball writers are

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Speaker 4: allowed to vote for only ten people. Also stupid, but fine,

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Speaker 4: and I think at times a credible explanation for you know,

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Speaker 4: three people not voting for Ken Griffey Junior, is you

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Speaker 4: may have had a voter who said, look, Junior is

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Speaker 4: going to get in.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't need me.

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Speaker 4: I would have vote for eleven people, but I can't,

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Speaker 4: so I'm leaving Junior off the ballot to vote for

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Speaker 4: these ten. Again, kind of silly, but to a small

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Speaker 4: degree at least under standable. So, you know, for folks

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Speaker 4: wondering why didn't he get in, I'm not sure there's

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Speaker 4: any one reason. I'm sure there were a few different reasons.

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Speaker 4: Everybody has their own criteria and understanding that you probably had,

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Speaker 4: you know, some who just said there can't be any

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Speaker 4: first ballot coaches, and maybe some who said, I don't

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Speaker 4: want him and Robert Kraft to be in the same class.

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Speaker 4: That's two patriots heavy again, an idiotic perspective, as far

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Speaker 4: as I'm concerned. May have had folks who held the

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Speaker 4: cheating against him. I wouldn't. May have had folks who

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Speaker 4: held his personality against him, which is stupid. And you

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Speaker 4: may have had people who just said, look, he's going

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Speaker 4: to get in any way, he doesn't need my vote.

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Speaker 4: And you add all of those ballots up and it

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Speaker 4: turns out that well, at least at least eleven of

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Speaker 4: them didn't have Bill Belichick's name checked.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 4: Can we make an admission about halls of fame? Can

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Speaker 4: we admit that halls of Fame I have probably outlived,

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Speaker 4: so to speak, their usefulness. Cooperstown's a cool place. My

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Speaker 4: dad and I went in two thousand and three. My

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Speaker 4: mom and I went when I was eleven. I have

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Speaker 4: no real burning desire to go back. Barry Larkin got

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Speaker 4: inducted in twenty twelve, my favorite all time player.

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Speaker 2: I no real desire to go.

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Speaker 4: Joey Vado is gonna get to Cooperstown one day, another

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Speaker 4: all time favorite.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's this little, timey, tiny hamlet in

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Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere in New York, and it's a

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Speaker 2: pain in the neck to get to, and and nobody

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Speaker 2: going to Cooperstown. I it sounds romantic, it sounds neat.

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Speaker 4: I know lots of people do visit, more would visit

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Speaker 4: if it wasn't in the middle of nowhere somewhere in

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Speaker 4: New York. I went to the Pro Football Hall of

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Speaker 4: Fame when I was in high school as a long

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Speaker 4: damn time ago.

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Speaker 2: You've got these halls of fame.

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Speaker 4: The Basketball Hall of Fame is in Springfield, the Pro

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Speaker 4: Football Hall of Fame is in Canton, Baseball Hall of

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Speaker 4: Fame is this museum in Cooperstown. These places where nobody

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Speaker 4: has a real, burning desire to go. That's not that

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Speaker 4: they're not nice places. I'm sure Canton is lovely. I'm

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Speaker 4: sure Springfield, Massachusetts, an hour and a half west of Boston,

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Speaker 4: is a nice place to visit. Anybody have a burning

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Speaker 4: desire to go to any one of those three places.

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Speaker 4: I'm just making it about those three. We could fold

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Speaker 4: the Hockey Hall of Fame, which admittedly isn't a really

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Speaker 4: cool city.

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Speaker 2: If you want so.

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Speaker 4: You've got these museums in these places that nobody has

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Speaker 4: a burning desire to go to. The Internet will tell

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Speaker 4: you the story of a sports history in ways that

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Speaker 4: a hall of fame cannot. More, teams have their own

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Speaker 4: halls of fame. You can drive ten minutes from where

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Speaker 4: I live to go to the Reds Hall of Fame

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Speaker 4: and get a better sense of Red's history, which is

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Speaker 4: the team we care about than Cooperstown's gonna teach you.

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Speaker 4: Various cheating scandals, various impossibilities when comparing eras have made

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Speaker 4: it really hard, I think, more than ever before, to

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Speaker 4: really identify who the true Hall of Famers are when

869
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: I was a kid is pretty easy, right In baseball, five.

870
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: Hundred home runs got you in the Hall of Fame.

871
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 4: Now because of steroids, now because of juiced balls or

872
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 4: ballparks or just different eras now because you know, winds

873
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 4: don't matter like they used to, which is a good thing,

874
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,479
Speaker 4: by the way, Like it's I just I've thought about

875
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 4: this a lot, even Hall of Fame debates. When the

876
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame class gets announced, there's just anger, like

877
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 4: poor Kenny Anderson. If Kenny Anderson gets in this year,

878
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 4: which I hope he does. And the one good thing

879
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 4: about Belichick not being in is it may it may

880
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 4: increase the odds that Ken does get in, But the

881
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 4: moment that he does get in, and what you're gonna

882
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 4: hear about is not so much how Ken deserve to

883
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 4: get in, or what his career was all about, or

884
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 4: what he accomplished, or why he had to wait so long.

885
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 4: It's gonna be people complaining about who didn't get in.

886
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 4: And that's not what Hall of Fame voting is supposed

887
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 4: to be. Hall of Fame voting is really supposed to

888
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 4: be sort of a celebration I just as a lifelong

889
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 4: hardcore sports fan who historically, ever since I was a kid,

890
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: has loved a good Hall of Fame debate. I've never

891
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 4: really cared less.

892
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm not alone.

893
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 4: Among sports fans. Hell, you had be cool if kN

894
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 4: Anderson got in. But do do you need if you're

895
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 4: a Bengals fan, do you need the Hall of Fame

896
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 4: to validate how you feel about can Anderson. I'm a

897
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 4: huge Joey Vado fan. I do not need baseball writers

898
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 4: to validate how I feel about Joey Vado. I had

899
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 4: front row seats for his career. I watched ninety percent

900
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 4: of his at bats. I know how good the guy was.

901
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 4: I know I'll tell my daughter about watching him in

902
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 4: his prime. I know that's the best reds hitter of

903
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 4: my life. I don't need seventy five percent of baseball

904
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 4: writers to tell me that Joey's going to get a plaque. So, now, hey,

905
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 4: that guy, he's a he was at all time great.

906
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: I know he was. I know he was.

907
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 4: Halls of Fame are to me no longer that useful.

908
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 4: Used to be museums that kind of told the story

909
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 4: of a sport. Do you need a museum to tell

910
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 4: you the story of baseball? Do you need a museum

911
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 4: and can't Know Ohio to tell you the story of football?

912
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 4: Professional football? What it's meant, what it's meant to this country.

913
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: How it grew.

914
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 4: We have any number of resources available to us that

915
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 4: don't involve a drive to Can't Know, Hio. And again,

916
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 4: if you're from Canton, I'm sure it's an awesome place.

917
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's an unbelievable place. Do you need to

918
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 4: go to Can't Ohio to learn about the history of

919
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 4: the NFL or to understand the most impactful players? I

920
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 4: watched Bill Belichick's coaching career unfold. Need forty to fifty

921
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 4: football writers and historians to validate for me? Actually, yes,

922
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 4: this guy not his six Super Bowl championships, but our

923
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 4: vote tells you he's an all time career I just

924
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 4: may sound harsh, but tell me I'm wrong. Halls of

925
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 4: fame have sort of their usefulness has expired, or their

926
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 4: usefulness to the degree.

927
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: They used to be useful.

928
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 4: Like the Baseball Hall of Fame, we don't have the

929
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: all time home run leader. We don't have the all

930
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 4: time hits leader in the Pro football Hall of Fame.

931
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 4: The headline for the class of twenty twenty six is

932
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 4: we excluded the dude who won the most championships, the

933
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 4: most accomplished coach in the history of the sport. Not

934
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 4: good enough for our hauls. Okay, fine, And I don't

935
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 4: care for you know, Bill Belichick's sake. It doesn't matter

936
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 4: to me Bill Belichick. A bad day for Bill Belichick

937
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 4: is a good day for everybody else. I just I,

938
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 4: for the first time in my life, I do not care,

939
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 4: other than wanting it for Ken because I've gotten a

940
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 4: chance to know him and he's been awesome to our show,

941
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 4: and I know.

942
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: What it would mean to him. Yes, I want him

943
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: to get to camp with Joey Vado.

944
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 4: Understanding that this dude had a career that kind of

945
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 4: had to push back against a lot of people who

946
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 4: just didn't think he drove in enough runs.

947
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: It would be neat for him.

948
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 4: Beyond that, I don't know that sports fans have ever

949
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 4: cared less.

950
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: There were no good Hall of.

951
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 4: Fame discussions two weeks ago when the Baseball Hall of

952
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 4: Fame class at twenty twenty six came out. I'm not

953
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 4: sure there's going to be any good Hall of Fame

954
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 4: discussions when the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of

955
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six gets announced next week. So yeah, the

956
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 4: voting makes no sense. That people using punishment by personality

957
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 4: is ridiculous. Holding against Bill Belichick the fact that might

958
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 4: not have been the warmest and fuzziest person at the

959
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 4: podium is just absurd. But do you need those people

960
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 4: to tell you that Bill Belichick's careers unmatched?

961
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: No, now you don't.

962
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 4: And if you believe, as I do, that Joey Evades

963
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 4: should be in the Hall of Fame, do you need

964
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 4: baseball writers to validate for you your belief the Joey

965
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 4: Vado is an all time great.

966
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 9: I don't.

967
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 4: Going to go to a museum in some city you

968
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 4: would otherwise not go to to celebrate.

969
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: I just I don't know.

970
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 4: Hauls of Fame for me. Yesterday that was the day.

971
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 4: That was the line of demarcation completely. Just their usefulness

972
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 4: has expired. After four five point three seven four nine,

973
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 4: fifteen thirty is our phone number. Bengals got really good

974
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 4: news today. I'll tell you what it is next.

975
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 10: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic.

976
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Speaker 6: All westbound lanes on two seventy five were Main blocked

977
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 6: off from an overturned garbage truck that's between Blue Rock

978
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Speaker 6: and seventy four, and westbound Ronald Reagan Highway also blocked

979
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Speaker 6: off between Blue Rock and two seventy five due to

980
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Speaker 6: that accident. I'm at ezelic with traffic.

981
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 4: This report is like running away with our poll question,

982
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 4: who's the best coach best head coach in the AOC

983
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 4: North at Maleger Taylor, McCarthy, Mintter, Monkin. By the way,

984
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 4: I put the choices in alphabetical order, going by last name,

985
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 4: so don't don't read into the order that I put

986
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 4: the names. I went alphabetically. I tried to. Usually when

987
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 4: we do pole questions like this, forty four point eight

988
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 4: percent of you say Zach Taylor, which I guess you

989
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 4: could look at that one of two ways. Fifty close

990
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 4: to fifty six percent of you fifty five percent of

991
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 4: you say that's somebody who's not Zach Taylor is the

992
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 4: best head coach in the AFC North twenty eight point

993
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 4: six percent of you so far. It's early in the voting,

994
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 4: by the way, say Jesse Minter twenty five point one.

995
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 4: Say Mike McCarthy, Todd Munk in one point five percent

996
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 4: Jesse Minter. This is tough because not that I know

997
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 4: Jesse at all, but I do appreciate Rick Minner's contributions

998
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 4: to UC football. Jesse was a graduate assistant on the

999
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 4: staff is Mount Saint Joe Grad. There's there's a part

1000
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 4: of me that wants him to have NFL success, but

1001
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 4: it's hard to root for a team in the Bengals Division.

1002
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 4: So I hope he has success with his second head

1003
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 4: coaching job. I don't know how you could say he's

1004
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: the best head coach in the AFC North.

1005
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 7: Now.

1006
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 4: I do this exercise because understandably a lot of folks

1007
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 4: are really down on Zach Taylor.

1008
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: But like Jesse Mitcher has never been a head coach before.

1009
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 4: He may end up being awesome, And you may argue

1010
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 4: he's in the best situation for short term success because

1011
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 4: of Lamar Jackson, because of having still a pretty good roster.

1012
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 4: Maybe it works out, but can you really say that

1013
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 4: somebody who's never been a head coach is the best

1014
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 4: coach in his division. Mike McCarthy is interesting man because

1015
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 4: he's won one, but I think the overall, the overall

1016
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 4: general opinion when it comes to his tenure in Green

1017
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 4: Bay is just slightly underwhelming because of all those seasons

1018
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 4: where he had Aaron Rodgers and didn't even get to

1019
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 4: another Super Bowl. And I can't recall off the top

1020
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 4: of my head, and I'm sure I could look this up,

1021
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 4: but I can't recall off the top of my head,

1022
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 4: you know, starting with the year in oh to nine

1023
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 4: where they won eleven and five, which the game that

1024
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 4: I remember most about the Packers that year is when

1025
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 4: they lost to the Bengals Week two, where Antoine Otam

1026
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 4: had a big game. But starting then clear through the

1027
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 4: end of his time in Green Bay, I'm not sure

1028
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 4: they ever missed the postseason. They had a fifteen to

1029
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 4: one record one year where they lost in the first

1030
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 4: round of the playoffs, like a lot of years ten wins,

1031
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 4: twelve wins. But you know, with Aaron Rodgers, they still

1032
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 4: had a lot of regular season success. And he is

1033
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl champion coach in Dallas. He won a

1034
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 4: lot of regular season games. Man, that's a franchise over

1035
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 4: the last thirty years hasn't had a ton of success.

1036
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: You know, he had years where he played, had a

1037
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: year where he played in the NFC Championship Game.

1038
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 4: They had three consecutive years where he won twelve games,

1039
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 4: And yet I don't know if at any point during

1040
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 4: his tenure, either in Green Bay or his tenure in Dallas,

1041
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 4: that he was viewed as one of the best coaches

1042
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 4: in the National Football League. Does he go from never

1043
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 4: being branded as one of the best coaches in the

1044
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 4: National Football League to suddenly he's the best coach in his.

1045
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: Division with Zach Taylor. Yeah, he has appeared in a

1046
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: Super Bowl.

1047
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 4: He's also missed the postseason last three years and completely

1048
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 4: wasted a great year from not only Joe Burrow, but

1049
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase and Trey Hendrickson two seasons ago. Nobody's voting

1050
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 4: for Todd Monkin, and why would they? But I think

1051
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 4: it's kind of an interesting question. You can vote now

1052
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 4: at Moegar. The Browns have a coach, by the way,

1053
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 4: it is Todd Monkin. So again, congratulations to the Browns

1054
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 4: for finding someone who says yes to that job.

1055
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: Now, the way this.

1056
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 4: Has apparently unfolded in Cleveland is the defensive coordinator there,

1057
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 4: Jim Schwartz, who's I think very highly regarded for his

1058
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 4: work with the defense, used to be the head coach

1059
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 4: of the Detroit Lions was a candidate interviewed for the job.

1060
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 4: There were reports twenty four hours ago indicating that there

1061
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 4: was positive momentum for Jim Schwartz to be the head coach.

1062
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 4: What is being reported is that the other candidates, the

1063
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 4: other serious candidates, one of the questions they were asked

1064
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 4: and by the way, if they apparently were asked to

1065
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 4: write an essay, which I would say, the hell with that.

1066
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 4: I'm never doing a job interview where i have to

1067
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 4: write an essay. I'm not in the eighth grade. But anyway,

1068
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 4: above and beyond that, what they were looking for were

1069
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 4: head coaching candidates who were open to the idea of

1070
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 4: keeping Jim Schwartz. If Jim Schwartz didn't become the head coach, well,

1071
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 4: Jim Schwartz didn't become the head coach. The Browns told

1072
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 4: him as much, and according to a couple of different

1073
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 4: reports that are out there, he went in and talked

1074
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 4: to the other coaches and was like, yep, see, I'm done.

1075
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 4: I'm not coming back. He is under contract to work

1076
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 4: for the Browns in twenty twenty six. So let's assume

1077
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 4: for a second that he's not going to work for

1078
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 4: the Browns. In twenty twenty six, and maybe he was

1079
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 4: acting emotionally and he'll come back and work for them.

1080
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 4: Maybe they'll say, look, we do want you to be

1081
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 4: the defensive coordinator. You are under contract, but we're going

1082
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 4: to throw a bunch of money at you that'll make

1083
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Speaker 4: you happy. I don't know, but it certainly seems like

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Speaker 4: it's possible that Jim Schwartz is going to be leaving

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Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns. And the only thing that Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 4: have had good going for it has been their defense

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Speaker 4: in recent years. Schwartz has been the decordinator the last

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Speaker 4: three years, so defensive coordinator in twenty twenty three when

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Speaker 4: they made the postseason with Joe Flaccus quarterback on the

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Speaker 4: strengths on the strength of a really good defense. In

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Speaker 4: recent years, when the Bengals have played Cleveland, you've heard

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Speaker 4: it a lot right bad matchup. Number Game one Bengals won,

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Speaker 4: but spun their tires on offense, and immediately it was

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Speaker 4: it's just a bad matchup. The Miles Garrett has a

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Speaker 4: lot more to do with that than maybe Jim Schwartz,

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Speaker 4: but the person in charge of putting together the defense

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Speaker 4: that was a bad matchup, possibly no longer going to

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Speaker 4: be in Cleveland. How could that be anything but a

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Speaker 4: good thing? The one thing this franchise, the Browns have

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Speaker 4: had going for it in recent years, has been the defense.

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Speaker 4: Certainly hasn't been quarterback play, hasn't really been anything they've

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Speaker 4: been able to do on the offensive side of the football.

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Speaker 2: Today, perhaps that bad matchup defense was made worse.

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Speaker 4: If you're a Bengals fan, if you work for the Bengals,

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01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 4: how can that be anything but a good thing?

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Speaker 2: Vote our pop question now.

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Speaker 4: At Mowegger College Basketball tonight, we started the show by

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Speaker 4: talking about the Miami RedHawks. Another point on them and

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Speaker 4: you was now twenty one to zero. We chatted with

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Speaker 4: Rick Boring about Xavier and nk uc plays tonight against Baylor.

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Speaker 4: Dan Skillings is back. We watched Dylan Mitchell play for

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Speaker 4: Saint John's against Xavier and he was really good on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: You can't help but wonder what if? And we'll do

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Speaker 4: that next on ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 4: kelseyshow dot com. T Higgins has been named to the

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Speaker 4: AFC squad for the Pro Bowl Games, replacing Zay Flowers.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations to T. T. Higgins will be on this show

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Speaker 4: at five twenty. I'm gonna pull back the curtain here

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01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 4: really quick. Gonna not gonna dwell on this when we

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01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 4: begin to interview at five twenty. This is one of

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01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 4: those deals. This is one of those like Super Bowl

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01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 4: Radio Rowe type interviews where you're given a chance to

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Speaker 4: interview Tea and Chase Brown together, which is an awesome opportunity,

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01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 4: but it's one of those where you get you get

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01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 4: like ten minutes and they're they're pitching a product. So

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Speaker 4: you'll hear T Higgins and Chase Brown at five twenty

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Speaker 4: where we'll talk about football and you know, offseason and

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Speaker 4: each player's respective career to this point, and we'll ask

1141
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 4: Chase Brown about long term contract extension and then very

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Speaker 4: clumsily at the end, we've got a pivot to talking

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Speaker 4: about bounty paper towels. And so these are these are

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01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 4: not my favorite type of interviews. But if you have

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Speaker 4: a chance to have T Higgins, a beloved player in

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01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 4: Chase Brown a terrific player in his own right, if

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01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 4: you have a chance to have those guys on your show,

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01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 4: you don't say no.

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01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: And the cost of business doing business, the cost.

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Speaker 4: Of the interview is you gotta let them talk about

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01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 4: the quicker Picker Upper. So just so if you're here

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Speaker 4: for it at five twenty ess and you I'm sure

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01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 4: if you listen to any kind of sports talk radio,

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01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 4: any kind of sports podcast in or around the Super Bowl,

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01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 4: you know, the bigger shows, we'll get like Dan Marino,

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01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 4: and they'll talk with Dan Marino about like the Dolphins

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01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 4: have a new head coach and what do you think

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01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 4: of these quarterbacks and memories from your playing career. And

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Speaker 4: then it's like, all right, Dan, well tell us what

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01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 4: you're doing here on behalf of Jareditol I just made

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01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,959
Speaker 4: up Jared. I don't give you anything. All right, great,

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Speaker 4: great to have Dan Fouts with us. Now tell us

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Speaker 4: about your partnership with Pepsi. So it's gonna be one

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Speaker 4: of those I'm just warning you now.

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Speaker 9: But well, Pepsi is better than some of the stuff

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Speaker 9: we had in passed.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to think we've done refresh my memory. We

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Speaker 4: had we had one guy that wanted to talk about

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Speaker 4: beef jerky, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Do we remember who that was? I don't They never

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Speaker 2: sent us anything. They never sent us any beef jerky.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's like we have. I've done the show

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Speaker 4: from Radio Row twice, once in Indy, once in New Jersey.

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Speaker 4: And we did not want to be at Radio Row

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Speaker 4: at the super Bowl, which may have been a strategic

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Speaker 4: mistake because I didn't want to be flooded with interviews

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Speaker 4: like that where it's just, you know, here's washed up

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Speaker 4: former player that nobody cares about, and you have to

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01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 4: make sure he mentions fill in the blank. And I

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Speaker 4: think for the most part, those interviews are useless, but

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Speaker 4: there are exceptions, and t Higgins and Chase Brown. If

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Speaker 4: it means we have to listen to one of them

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Speaker 4: talk about paper towels for a minute, then we'll gladly

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Speaker 4: have both on. But over the we've we have. We

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01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 4: used to just say yes to all of those, and

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01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 4: now it's like now we're good, We're fine, but we

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01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 4: have done them. I forget who the athlete was that

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01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 4: was hawking beef turkey. We once had Scott Van Pelton,

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Speaker 4: and this was not around the Super Bowl tearan. I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure if you were producing, but Scott Van Pelt

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Speaker 4: was speaking on behalf of a national pizza chain, and

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Speaker 4: we decided, you know what, we're just going to get

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Speaker 4: the plug out of the way first, which the way

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Speaker 4: you're kind of supposed to do it is you do

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Speaker 4: eight to nine minutes and then you do the plug

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Speaker 4: at the end. And Scott Van Pelt, who I think

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Speaker 4: is the best broadcaster working in the United States of America,

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Speaker 4: the host of the single best television show in the

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Speaker 4: United States of America, his Midnight Sports Center, gave me

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Speaker 4: what I thought was a very flattering compliment for getting

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Speaker 4: the plug out of the way first, He's like, you

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Speaker 4: know what, that's actually how we should do it, because

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Speaker 4: we did it. It was I'm not going to mention

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Speaker 4: the name of the National Pizza Chain because they're not

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Speaker 4: paying me to. But it was like, all right, Scott

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Speaker 4: Van Pelt is here, Scott, let's do this first, talk

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Speaker 4: about your partner with Phil in the National Pizza Chain,

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Speaker 4: and then we did like eight minutes of good sports

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Speaker 4: talk radio.

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Speaker 2: What else?

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Speaker 9: Most remember one I was a part of you with

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Speaker 9: was Dwayne Haskins.

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Speaker 2: Oh what was doing? I remember this? What was he plugging?

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Speaker 2: It was some sports card company? Yeah, it was Paninis,

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Speaker 2: Panini sports Cards. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Didn't he give us like a Matt Harvey type interview

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Speaker 4: where in God rest Dwayne's soul? But didn't he give

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Speaker 4: us like a Matt Harvey type interview where he was

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Speaker 4: only there to talk about the sports cards?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Matt Harvey was on the Dan Patrick Show when he

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Speaker 4: was pitching for the Mets. And you know again, it's like,

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Speaker 4: I think it was on behalf of Motorola, So he's

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Speaker 4: got to do the plug for Motorola.

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Speaker 2: And Dan Patrick was supposed to get like ten.

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Speaker 4: Minutes of him talking about, you know, pitching for the Mets,

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Speaker 4: and Matt Harvey answered every question like, yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 4: here to talk about Motorola. It's like nobody really cares

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Speaker 4: that much. Dwayne Haskins, as I recall, gave us something

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Speaker 4: very similar.

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Speaker 2: What else do we have?

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Speaker 4: Browns have hired a former Ravens offensive coordinator, Tom Mounkett

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Speaker 4: to be their head coach. You see in Baylor tonight

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01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 4: at six thirty. Dan Skillings plays for the Bears. Baylor

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Speaker 4: has just one big twelve win. Dan is having an

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Speaker 4: okay season for Baylor. Dylan Mitchell was here this weekend

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Speaker 4: playing for Saint John's and was a big reason why

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Speaker 4: Rick Patino's team won that game, came back after trailing

1239
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Speaker 4: at halftime. The way last season ended was interesting where

1240
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Speaker 4: UC played in the Crown and then when the Crown ended,

1241
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 4: it felt like everybody was simply ready to just move

1242
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 4: on players and coaches alike. And you know, with some

1243
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 4: of those guys like I remember Tony and I talking

1244
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 4: about are we.

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01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 2: Sure you don't want to do what you can to

1246
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 2: keep Dylan Mitchell.

1247
01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 4: So last year's team, a lot of people concluded me

1248
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 4: among them, some really good players, some really good pieces,

1249
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 4: but they just don't fit. And then almost instantly, many

1250
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 4: of those players ended up at high major programs Tyler

1251
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 4: Betsy arrenton page Josh Reed, some having more success than others.

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Speaker 4: Here's what you can't help, but wonder you see brought

1253
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 4: in basically an entirely new team, including some players who

1254
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 4: are quite good. Baba Miller's a really good college basketball player.

1255
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 2: Not perfect.

1256
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 4: I wish he was a little bit more refined on

1257
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 4: the offensive end, but he's a really good big twelve

1258
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 4: college basketball player. Yet a whole bunch of new parts,

1259
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of figuring out who can do what.

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Speaker 2: Here's what you can't help, but wonder? What if?

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Speaker 4: What if more of the players from last year's team

1262
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 4: came back and played on this year's team. What if

1263
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 4: there was a little bit more continuity to benefit from.

1264
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 4: Maybe the results would be the same, maybe the results

1265
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 4: would be better, maybe the results would be worse.

1266
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Speaker 2: But just.

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Speaker 4: Admittedly, what made me think about this was watching Miami

1268
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 4: last night. And it's not apples to apples, but Travis

1269
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 4: Steele would be the first to admit said it on

1270
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 4: this show on Monday, Like I benefit from the fact

1271
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 4: that I had ten dudes from last year's team. There's continuity,

1272
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 4: and it's the one thing about college basketball, and look,

1273
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 4: coaches have been ushering in entirely new teams for a while.

1274
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 4: It's why John Kella Perry for years I thought had

1275
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 4: the toughest job in college basketball and was doing the

1276
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 4: best job in college basketball for a while because he

1277
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 4: brought in a whole new team every single year. But

1278
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 4: there is something about continuity. And maybe none of those

1279
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 4: players would have come back no matter what. Maybe the

1280
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 4: coaching staff couldn't wait to move on. But well, you

1281
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 4: just you look at some of those guys and it's

1282
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 4: like you could have benefited from Dylan Mitchell coming back

1283
01:09:59,240 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 4: and dance skillings.

1284
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 2: We did not have a.

1285
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 4: Good year last season coming back, Like you just wonder

1286
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 4: had some of those players that we all acknowledge those

1287
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 4: are high major players, could there have been a continuity

1288
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 4: payoff this year? Xavier plays to night against Seaton Hall

1289
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 4: in Newark. That game tips off at seven thirty on

1290
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 4: fifty five KRC. FC Cincinnati todd with Houston in a

1291
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 4: preseason tilt. Kevin Denk with the lone goal for FC

1292
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 4: Cincinnati again and the Blue Jackets skate home tonight against Philadelphia.

1293
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 4: Let's see here, Nick, You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Nick,

1294
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:34,759
Speaker 4: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 7: How are you good? Afternoon?

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Speaker 2: Moh, I'm great.

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Speaker 7: Hey.

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Speaker 11: Before I get I want to comment on the Pro

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Speaker 11: Football Hall of Fame. But before I do that, as

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Speaker 11: one Flyer alum to another, I sat there last night

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Speaker 11: after the defeat to Rhode Island, and I trust me,

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Speaker 11: I've been the biggest anti Grant supporter over the years.

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Speaker 2: I think it's time.

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Speaker 11: I want to get to get your thought on that

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Speaker 11: before I comment on the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: It does feel like it's time, and it feels like

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Speaker 4: it's time, and it's time for all parties. Like it

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Speaker 4: feels like it's run its course for Anthony Grant at

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Speaker 4: the University of Dayton, and it feels like it's run

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Speaker 4: its course for the University of Dayton under Anthony Grant stewardship.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think he's done a terrible job.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate the season they had in twenty twenty, appreciate

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Speaker 4: the team they had a couple of years ago that

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Speaker 4: advance in the NCAA Tournament. He is an extraordinarily classy

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Speaker 4: man who has gone through some unspeakable family tragedy while

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Speaker 4: being the head coach of the Flyers. He is a

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Speaker 4: proud alum. I think it would be best understanding his

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Speaker 4: stature inside the program as a player, understanding just who

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Speaker 4: he is as a human being.

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Speaker 2: Kind of seeing this.

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Speaker 4: Kind of plateau and flat line a little bit in

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Speaker 4: recent years, I think it would be best for the

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Speaker 4: relationship to be severed by the end at the end

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Speaker 4: of the season.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I don't know who you

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Speaker 11: go out and get. I guess you know. Time will

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Speaker 11: tell following March, but I think, yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 11: run its course. Nineteen to twenty was fun and he's

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Speaker 11: had some good good couple of good runs. But yeah,

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Speaker 11: I think it's time. But anyway, my comment about the

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Speaker 11: Hall of Fame, I totally, I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 11: I am not a Phil Belichick fan in the slightest.

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Speaker 11: I think he's a jerk, but.

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Speaker 12: I but but the fact remains, he's got one of

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Speaker 12: the best resumes of any coach who have ever coached

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Speaker 12: in professional football.

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Speaker 11: I do think that the idea of a Hall of

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Speaker 11: Fame is rather outdated, although I do want to comment.

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Speaker 11: My buddies and I went up to see the Bengals

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Speaker 11: play at Lambeau and that place. I mean, if there's

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Speaker 11: a Hall of Fame not or you know, outside of

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01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 11: Campton's awesome to see. Yes, yeah, yeah for sure. But

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Speaker 11: I do think the idea of pro football, well a

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01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 11: hall of Fame in general, is kind of outdated. But

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Speaker 11: I think it's ridiculous that, you know, a voter couldn't

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Speaker 11: get past the whole spygate thing yesterday. Just put the

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Speaker 11: guy in, you know. I mean, if we don't need

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Speaker 11: another a duplicate of you know, Major League Baseball's Hall

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Speaker 11: of Fame and have to look at their characters, just

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Speaker 11: look what he did on the field, and put him in.

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Speaker 11: I think, coming from a guy that can can't stand.

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Speaker 4: Him, yeah, And I think with the with the spygate thing,

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Speaker 4: you know, people often say about Barry Bonds, well, you

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Speaker 4: know what, before he cheated, before he started juicing, he

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Speaker 4: was already a Hall of Famer. I subscribe to that belief.

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Speaker 4: Spygate went down in two thousand and seven, if I'm

1357
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Speaker 4: not mistaken, two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,

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01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick was already a Hall of Famer, had already

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Speaker 4: been a three time Super Bowl winning head coach, had

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Speaker 4: already won two others as a highly impactful defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 4: So the body of work was Hall of Fame worthy

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Speaker 4: before Spygate. I understand dinging him for that that I

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Speaker 4: do because I think that falls under the level of

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01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 4: things in the football body of work. Now, to me,

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01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 4: the overall body of work is so good that I'm

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Speaker 4: willing to allow for a blemish what I don't understand,

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Speaker 4: and I'm sure there were voters who did this, I

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01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 4: don't understand. Look, this guy was a prickly personality. This

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01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 4: guy was standoffish, this guy was uncooperative, and so here's

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Speaker 4: my chance to get come up. And I don't know

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Speaker 4: for a fact that that motivated anybody's vote. But understanding

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Speaker 4: humans the way we do, would you be surprised? I

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Speaker 4: think the answer is no. And that doesn't make any

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Speaker 4: sense to me.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly, And I think despite you know how reporters

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01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 11: may have the interactions they've had with him, you know,

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Speaker 11: you look at the body of work and it's there.

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Speaker 11: So anyway, thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 7: I appreciate having good day you two.

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Speaker 4: Nick, Thanks thanks for listening. And for the U and

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01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 4: for the phone call, like I lambeau Field has. The

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Speaker 4: Packers Hall of Fame is terrific, the Reds Hall of

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01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 4: Fame is awesome. Like I just not that they're not

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01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 4: cool places, because they are. And it's been twenty three

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Speaker 4: years since I've been to Cooperstown, it's been thirty two

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01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:21,799
Speaker 4: since I've been to Canton.

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Speaker 2: It's been.

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Speaker 4: Twenty since randomly driving through Springfield, we went to the

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Speaker 4: Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: They're need places.

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Speaker 4: I just feel like, as storytelling venues, they've outlived their usefulness.

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Speaker 2: I feel like as institutes.

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Speaker 4: That validate careers, they've out outlived their uselessness or usefulness.

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Speaker 4: I should say they're more useless now than useful. I

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01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 4: just I've thought about this a lot. It's like, you know, again,

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Speaker 4: the Ken Anderson thing. I think Ken Anderson's a Hall

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Speaker 4: of Famer. He's a Hall of Fame human being. What

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01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 4: he accomplished is incredible. He completed seventy one percent of

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Speaker 4: his passes in an era where dudes were like completing

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01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 4: fifty percent of their passes, and it was a good year.

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Speaker 4: He had things work against him that he had no

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Speaker 4: control over. He's a Hall of Famer. I want the

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Speaker 4: induction for him because I think it would be an

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01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 4: awesome moment for him and his family. I no longer

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Speaker 4: need I don't need baseball writers to tell me how

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Speaker 4: good Joey Vada was. I know that's one of the

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Speaker 4: best hitters I've ever watched in my lifetime, the best

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Speaker 4: hitter the Reds have ever had. I don't need the

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Speaker 4: baseball writers to put a stamp on that.

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Speaker 2: That's nothing against the baseball route. I just don't need it.

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Speaker 4: I don't need them to okay the commissioning of a

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Speaker 4: plaque in a museum that most of us are not

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Speaker 4: TV deal, and then they will start the off season.

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Speaker 4: That's what they're waiting for. Just gonna find just we're

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Speaker 4: just waiting. I could see Nick crawl in his office

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Speaker 4: right now with his landline. Just come on now, maybe

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Speaker 4: Let's let's find out. Get the phone call from from

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Speaker 4: their TV partner, whoever it is. Here's how much money

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Speaker 4: we will pay you to carry the games, and then

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Speaker 4: Nick can get started on the off season and making

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Speaker 4: the offense better. Any day now, that phone may ring

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Speaker 4: any day now, hopefully his voicemail is on wor's answering machine.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure Nick has an assistant or a secretary. Hope,

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Speaker 4: hopefully you know she is ready to take that call

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Speaker 4: and Casey is out of the office. Nick, Yes, games

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Speaker 4: are gonna be on TV. Here's how much money they'll

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Speaker 4: pay now now, you can try to go get a

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Speaker 4: U Hanes Warez and then first Nick has to call

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Speaker 4: all the other teams to say, hey, guys, thanks for

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Speaker 4: waiting for us. We now know how much money we

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Speaker 4: have to spend, so by all means, go ahead and

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Speaker 4: resume your off seasons. Ours is just getting started. That's

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Speaker 4: what's happening in baseball right now. The Senior Bowl is

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01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 4: this week in Mobile, and we're obviously exceptionally early in

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Speaker 4: the draft process.

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01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:11,959
Speaker 2: It's just under three.

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Speaker 4: Months away, but some early storylines starting to unfold, and

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Speaker 4: we'll see what they may mean for the Bengals. We'll

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Speaker 4: go to Mobile and talk with one of our draft experts.

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Speaker 4: He's there when we come back. Also, t Higgins and

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Speaker 4: Chase Brown are going to join us to talk about

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Speaker 4: their offseason continuity, Chase's possible contract extension and paper towels.

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Speaker 4: All of that coming up and some college basketball as well.

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Speaker 4: Vote now in the poll question who is the best

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Speaker 4: coach in the AFC North?

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Speaker 2: Since the Browns found someone to say.

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Speaker 4: Yes at Mulllegger, Zach Taylor is running away with it,

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Speaker 4: first time he's ever run away with anything.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations to him.

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Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully you're having an awesome Wednesday afternoon. We'll do some

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Speaker 4: college basketball a little bit later on this hour as well.

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Speaker 4: It is Senior Bowl Week. Senior Bowl Week in Mobile, Alabama,

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Speaker 4: which is where our guys, Sam Brookhouse is from U

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Speaker 4: sumer Sports. Let's get right to it. I've got some

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Speaker 4: Bengals specific stuff, but before we do that, with the

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Speaker 4: Senior Bowl game coming up this weekend, the practice is

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Speaker 4: unfolding this week. It's sort of the epicenter of the

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Speaker 4: NFL universe. Give me some over our raft themes that

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Speaker 4: are starting to develop.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the interesting thing is trying to figure

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Speaker 7: out this draft order. Earlier on last week we got

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Speaker 7: news that Ruben Bain was going to be playing. Now

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Speaker 7: he's not playing. That's a name that's in the mix.

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Speaker 13: At the top, you have what seemingly some.

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Speaker 7: Other top players in different positions, Fernando Mendoz at the

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Speaker 7: quarterback position, Man Sword the lane from Lsu at the

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Speaker 7: cornerback position.

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Speaker 13: But this draft has not really taken form.

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Speaker 7: Last year in the way that at least last year's

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Speaker 7: than drafts previous has.

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Speaker 13: And so what I think we're trying to figure out

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Speaker 13: is where do.

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Speaker 7: The guys that are playing currently at the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 7: who are in that twenty to thirty.

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Speaker 13: Ten Census Big Board range, how do they stack up

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Speaker 13: against those guys who.

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Speaker 7: Aren't playing and seem to be guys that are more locked.

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Speaker 13: Into the top ten. And I think that's been the

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Speaker 13: biggest question.

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01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 7: Things that I've been quite impressed with Day one was

1510
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 7: there was some true standouts on the offensive defensive line.

1511
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 7: I think I still need a little time for the quarterbacks,

1512
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 7: particularly at the Shrine Bowland at the Senior Bowl, to

1513
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 7: get a little bit more comfortable with these wide receivers

1514
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 7: before I make an evaluation on any of the wide

1515
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 7: receivers quarterbacks, running backs, et cetera. But overall, this is

1516
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 7: a very talented group. I'm just not sure where anybody

1517
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 7: stacks up as.

1518
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 2: It stands right now, all right here in Cincinnati.

1519
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 4: You know, I would imagine they're not going to just

1520
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 4: draft defense, but they could, they could get away with it.

1521
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 4: They've got to overhaul that unit. Where on defense do

1522
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 4: you expect this draft class to be at its deepest.

1523
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 7: I'm starting to really.

1524
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 13: Like this in tire defensive line group.

1525
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 7: I mean, you got guys like the two guys from

1526
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 7: Clemson here, you got Lee Hunter who has looked extremely

1527
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 7: well from Texas Tech. You got guys from Tennessee, across

1528
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 7: the SEC, Alabama, ALTI, Overton. There's a great group I

1529
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 7: found of into your defensive linemen. And frankly, that's a

1530
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 7: position that needs for the Bengals for a certain degree.

1531
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 7: I mean, most of the positions on defense one could

1532
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 7: call a position of need for the Bengals. So I

1533
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 7: think that really is, in my head, is shaping up

1534
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 7: to be the strength of this draft slots.

1535
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 4: All right, you mentioned the name before, Ruben Bain. Now

1536
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 4: the Bengals have the tenth overall pick. There are a

1537
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 4: lot of Cincinnati fans who watched the National Championship game

1538
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 4: and watch Miami's run to the College Football Playoff title

1539
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 4: game and said, like, that's that's the guy. That's the guy.

1540
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 4: We'll see how the next few months play out. Is

1541
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 4: there any chance that dude is there at number ten?

1542
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 7: The hope is that people get freaked out about his

1543
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 7: armless and some of his other measurables. I don't know

1544
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 7: if that's going to happen. That was the skinny on

1545
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 7: Will Campbell last year, and obviously ultimately Will Campbell goes

1546
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 7: on to get drafted very highly and is now will

1547
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 7: be playing in the Super Bowl. We'll be starting in

1548
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 7: the Super Bowl. I think the what to expect from

1549
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 7: Ruby Bain is he's an extremely violent player, and I

1550
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 7: think people really like his ability to kind of fist

1551
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 7: fight in the trenches, whether that's at the three tech,

1552
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 7: whether that's at the five tech, or whether that's far

1553
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 7: out on the edge as an ad rusher. And so

1554
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 7: I think he's a really unique player in that we

1555
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 7: haven't really seen someone with the physical characteristics of him,

1556
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 7: you know, six three.

1557
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 13: Two eighty two ninety not necessarily going.

1558
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 7: To be an athletic freak. But someone who has shown

1559
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,759
Speaker 7: the ability to create pressure and pass rushing for multiple

1560
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 7: different spots. The only player I can really think of

1561
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 7: in recent years who was like that was a physical freak.

1562
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 7: That's Aiden Hutchinson. Uh And I think maybe his profile

1563
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 7: is similar, but the athletics different.

1564
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 4: Sam Brockhaus from Summer Sports is with this from Mobile

1565
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl happening this week. I think if you were

1566
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 4: to ask most Bengals fans as the season played out

1567
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 4: the college prospect that they were most interested in the

1568
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 4: Bengals having a chance to take in Round one. Now,

1569
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 4: obviously their their final draft positioning wasn't solidified until the

1570
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 4: season came to an end, but certainly in this part

1571
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 4: of the country, folks watched Caleb Downs play at Ohio

1572
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 4: State and knowing the issue the Bengals had at safety,

1573
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,560
Speaker 4: knowing the issues the Bengals just had on defense overall,

1574
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 4: I think a lot of folks have locked in on

1575
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 4: him for months on end. It has been forever since

1576
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 4: a safety has gone that early in the draft, right.

1577
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 2: I've seen some.

1578
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 4: Say, look, he's a top three player in the draft.

1579
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 4: If you're a drafting a ten and a top three

1580
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 4: player is there I don't know how you take him

1581
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 4: talk about If you don't mind, just give me an

1582
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 4: assessment of Caleb Downs as a draft prospect.

1583
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 7: So when you look at Caleb Downs's approach, this is

1584
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,799
Speaker 7: a dude who's quality of basically everything. He can do everything,

1585
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 7: and he did it. In twenty twenty five, he basically

1586
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 7: was a glorified linebacker for the Ohio State Buckeyes. This

1587
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 7: year he's played deep safety, He's played near the line,

1588
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 7: and our scouts also think he could moonlight out on

1589
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 7: the outside at corner in some more exotic sets to

1590
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 7: the defensive coordinator want to.

1591
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 9: Use him there.

1592
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 13: So I think he has a very.

1593
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 7: Interesting profile as a safety that mirrors a growing trend.

1594
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 7: In particular, this is a copycat league. And you see

1595
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 7: Mike mcdonnald and the Seahawks in the championship game in

1596
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 7: the Super Bowl, and you look across the league just

1597
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 7: the Zach Orr and the Baltimore Ravens where Mike McDonald

1598
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 7: was in the past, and you see.

1599
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:13,719
Speaker 13: Kyle Hamilton as a guy who.

1600
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 7: Plays that type of role. You go look with the Seahawks,

1601
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 7: they got Nick him and warr and Jesse Mintter. With

1602
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 7: the Chargers they use Derwin James in that kind of

1603
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 7: big safety guy that can kind of do it all role, and.

1604
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 13: You never know where he's going to be, and he

1605
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 13: may be rushing the.

1606
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 7: Passer in slightly different role, but telling know WHU. Fungo

1607
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 7: with the Broncos also plays a very similar role.

1608
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,839
Speaker 13: I think the safety position, if you can get.

1609
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 7: A premium level of talent there.

1610
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:42,560
Speaker 13: Is becoming a position that people and defenses.

1611
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 7: Want to use. Particularly as teams run more twelve personnel,

1612
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:47,680
Speaker 7: it's going to be important to get a safety who

1613
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,799
Speaker 7: can kind of do it all there. As a result,

1614
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 7: I do think that he's almost certainly going to go

1615
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 7: in the first round. The problem is is just in

1616
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 7: terms of the sheer market value of the safety right now,

1617
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 7: you're not going to get a ton of surplus value.

1618
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 7: It is slightly higher paid than the linebacking position and

1619
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:07,839
Speaker 7: the running back position. However, it's not a premium position

1620
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 7: and you can get good safeties. In free agency we

1621
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:12,600
Speaker 7: saw guys like Kevin Bayard who have been in the

1622
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 7: league for a very long time being All Pro this.

1623
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 13: Year and generate a ton of tern remembers. So two competing.

1624
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 7: Priorities, one old the market for safeties is not great one.

1625
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 7: New defenses are changing to include safeties more to counter

1626
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 7: twelve and thirteen personnel. So as a result, I think

1627
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 7: a team's going to go ahead and take a shot

1628
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 7: at him. I is that what's best for the Bengals.

1629
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 7: I don't necessarily know. We've seen them go away from

1630
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 7: Jesse Bates after his first contract and allow him to

1631
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 7: go to the Falcons. At the time, that seemed like

1632
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 7: the correct move given their their cap situation with quarterbacks

1633
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 7: and wide receivers and other premium positions coming up. You know,

1634
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 7: you look back, perhaps that was a mistake. He hasn't

1635
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 7: been the certified primo player on the Falcons at all,

1636
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 7: but he has been a solid contributor. So well. All

1637
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:02,640
Speaker 7: that to say, it's kind of a gray area. I

1638
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 7: don't think it would be a terrible pick if the

1639
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 7: Bengals went with Caleb Downs, but I do think that

1640
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 7: it potentially could fall flat just out of sheer what

1641
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 7: we call surplus value, which is meaning you're gonna have

1642
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 7: to pay that guy a lot and you're going.

1643
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 13: To expect him to be an all pro fairly early.

1644
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 4: All right, So the answer to this question is probably

1645
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 4: going to change. If I ask it to you in

1646
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,600
Speaker 4: a month or if I ask it to you in

1647
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 4: the middle of April. But as we sit here right

1648
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 4: now and the draft process is just now starting to

1649
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 4: take shape, We're weeks away from the combine. Free agency

1650
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 4: has to happen. Bengals need to be active in free agency.

1651
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 4: But let's flash ahead based on what you know right now.

1652
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 4: It's night one of the draft. Bengals are on the

1653
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 4: clock at ten. They're not going to trade the pick, Like,

1654
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 4: is there is there somebody that you're like, you know what,

1655
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 4: rush to the podium to take that dude.

1656
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:48,759
Speaker 2: Based on what you know right.

1657
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 7: Now, I think it's difficult to know how it's going

1658
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:56,799
Speaker 7: to shake out. And I think with Joe Burrow's injury

1659
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 7: and with general concerns about the offense line, it's going

1660
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:04,600
Speaker 7: to be really hard if Spencer Fano or Francis Maliga

1661
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 7: is falling down. Both of these guys have experience at

1662
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 7: the tackle position. Now I go to play at the

1663
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 7: right tackle position. Our scouts think you could play left

1664
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 7: tackle position by first. For Spencer Fano, I really think

1665
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 7: it's going to be hard if an offensive lineman is

1666
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 7: there to go to not go with you know, the

1667
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 7: third most premium position, fourth most premium position in the

1668
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 7: league after the quarterback position, just because I think that's

1669
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 7: the true core level of talent, and I think those

1670
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 7: guys could potentially fall just as a results of the

1671
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 7: reshuffle of the draft. That being said, there's going to

1672
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 7: be a ton of good edge rushers. Faulk out of Auburn,

1673
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 7: I think, is another name to look out for. Bain

1674
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 7: if he falls, is another one to look out for,

1675
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 7: and then Mansword Delan, also at the cornerback position, a

1676
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 7: place where the Bengals have struggled mightily, is another guy

1677
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 7: that I would look at. So I think tackle, cornerback,

1678
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 7: edge rusher, defensive tackle is the four spots where the

1679
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 7: Bengals could really hit and get good value at their pick.

1680
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 4: Stay at tackle for me, because you know they drafted

1681
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 4: Marius Men's two seasons ago. So far, so good. They

1682
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 4: still have Orlando Brown. My guess is he is still

1683
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 4: going to be the starting left tackle in twenty twenty six.

1684
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 4: They're gonna need the swing guy, and I think they're

1685
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 4: gonna need somebody who ultimately is a replacement for Orlando

1686
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 4: Brown down the road. So let's say that's not where

1687
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 4: they go with the tenth overall pick. Is this a

1688
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 4: deep class at tackle.

1689
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 7: I'd say it is.

1690
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 13: It's still trying to figure it out.

1691
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 7: But this is another trend for recent years. And you

1692
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 7: look at you mentioned Orlando Brown, probably want to get

1693
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 7: any younger guy, probably can go in a different in

1694
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 7: a different route. The issue is, I just think Fono

1695
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 7: and Mago are two guys who are probably the two

1696
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 7: most talented guys in the draft, and they pop up

1697
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 7: in the.

1698
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 9: Data really well.

1699
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 7: So we've seen the Bengals be value drafters before.

1700
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 13: We saw him do it frankly last year with SAMR. Stewart,

1701
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 13: and and so that's kind.

1702
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 7: Of why I think it could be a little bit

1703
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 7: more in the mind than we really think it is.

1704
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 7: That being said, the tax position right now, we started seeing,

1705
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 7: really past the first fifteen picks, a lot of people

1706
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 7: just be willing to invest in swing offensive linemen. You

1707
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 7: think about a guy like Kelvin Banks last year who

1708
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 7: ends up being a left tackle for the Saints. A

1709
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 7: lot of people had him projected at guard. There was

1710
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 7: a lot going on talking about maybe he plays right tackle.

1711
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 7: In another setting. They had Fuaga who ends up being

1712
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 7: a swing tackle for them, and so there's a couple

1713
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 7: guys that you can look at. I've had my eyes

1714
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 7: on Cage Casey Ow the Boise State, who I think

1715
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 7: can be a swing tackle at the Senior Boise State

1716
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 7: traditional guy red shirted its first year at Boise State,

1717
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 7: played three years now, he's in the Senior Bowl. I

1718
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 7: think he struggled a little bit.

1719
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,719
Speaker 13: Yesterday at the left tackle position.

1720
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 7: I'm interested to see if they move him to the

1721
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 7: right tackle or guard position in one on ones today

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01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 7: during practice. However, its data is extremely good, and that

1723
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 7: Boise State team has been very competitive and they frankly

1724
01:31:55,280 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 7: played a pretty good level of non conference opponent over

1725
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 7: the years. So I'd be interested to see if that

1726
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 7: could be potentially a guy, you know, the hundredth kind

1727
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 7: of the turn of day two, day three that potentially

1728
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 7: teams could target.

1729
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Speaker 2: All Right, one more for you. You've been generous with your time.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned Shamar Stewart and and he you know, was

1731
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 4: at the epicenter last April of this discussion about you know,

1732
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 4: leaning into the traits and the and the raw physical

1733
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 4: tools and what you see when a guy's you know,

1734
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 4: having a tape measure held up to him versus what

1735
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 4: you see when you put the tape up and Shamar

1736
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 4: Stewart didn't have a lot of sacks. It wasn't that

1737
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 4: he was not disruptive. He actually was, but it kind

1738
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:39,959
Speaker 4: of felt like the Bengals leaned into the physical specimen

1739
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 4: that he is more than the production or lack thereof

1740
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 4: what do you what do you?

1741
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 2: What do you make of of?

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01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 4: Kind of that position where it's you know what, Yeah,

1743
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 4: we value what's on tape, but we'll lean into the

1744
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 4: traits and we're going to be a little bit more

1745
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 4: willing to ignore what maybe a guy doesn't show on

1746
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 4: tape versus Look, give me a guy who's making plays.

1747
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 4: Give me a guy who's finishing plays, getting to the quarterback.

1748
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 4: Give me a guy who's actually impacting winning more than

1749
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 4: you know, here's what the guy looks like when when

1750
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:11,719
Speaker 4: he's in his underwear and he's standing on a scale.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I think it's it's really interesting. There's a

1752
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 7: couple approaches to this. Obviously, in the data, you want

1753
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 7: to get a guide who is productive. I think that's

1754
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 7: really key, and it just checks a lot of boxes.

1755
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:28,759
Speaker 7: The problem is you can ask the data scientists like myself,

1756
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 7: the correlation be wildly over fifty percent, and that's fifty

1757
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 7: out of one hundred. So there's still a lot of

1758
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 7: complexity that we do not understand how to quantify. But

1759
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 7: that Mays said, if you can check boxes, that's what

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01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 7: you do in terms of production. One of my favorite quotes, however,

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Speaker 7: which is a guiding light in my data science research,

1762
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 7: is from Mike Tomlin. You know, no longer the Pittsburgh

1763
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 7: Steelers head coach. You don't have to see him anymore

1764
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 7: in Cincinnati, so maybe you can be a little bit

1765
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 7: more accepting of this quote than you wear in the

1766
01:33:57,400 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 7: previous years. But he says that a lot of the

1767
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 7: stuff he sees in scouting reports and production is actually

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01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 7: a result of coaching, and it's the job of the

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01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,799
Speaker 7: coach to take those traits and mold them into players.

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Speaker 7: We saw them do that again in again at the

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01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 7: wide receiver and addressing positions, and so I always try

1772
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 7: to keep mind of that, particularly when you evaluate offensive linemen, cornerbacks,

1773
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 7: stuff like that, because sometimes the coaches just ask them

1774
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 7: to do stuff that they can't do, and if they

1775
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 7: get in the new scenario, it may look better. So

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01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 7: as a result, I see both sides that the former player.

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01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 7: I also tend to believe in the traits and that

1778
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 7: it's the coach's job to put them in the position

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01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 7: to succeed and the player's job to get their body

1780
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 7: ready for the season and develop their technique and develop

1781
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 7: their skills. So I kind of see both sides. I

1782
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 7: like to use analytics as kind of the checkboxes, especially

1783
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 7: when it comes to things that you know are threshold

1784
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 7: statistics and stuff like this. But at the same time,

1785
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 7: I think you have to believe in the traits and

1786
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 7: you have to kind of take the context away, take

1787
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 7: the team if they were on a way, and really

1788
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 7: evaluate the player as they are themselves.

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Speaker 4: Well said, enjoymobile. Can't thank you enough for the time.

1790
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Speaker 4: We'll check out sumersports dot com. Love having you, Sam,

1791
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 4: Thanks so much.

1792
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Make sure you check out sumer sports dot com. That's

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Speaker 4: s u me Er sports dot com. Sam joining us

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Speaker 4: from the Senior Bowl in mobile. We'll be joined next

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Speaker 4: the Musketeers on the Dorse coming up here in just

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Speaker 4: a few minutes. We have with us a pair of Bengals,

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Speaker 4: including one that we found out today is going to

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Speaker 4: appear in his first ever Pro Bowl games. T Higgins

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Speaker 4: and Chase Brown with us, both with us on behalf

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Speaker 4: of Bounty the Ultimate Wingman ahead of the Super Bowl. Gentlemen,

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Speaker 4: it's awesome to have you. Good afternoon. How are you great?

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having us, appreciate.

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Speaker 2: You guys doing this.

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01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 4: I'll start Tea, I'll start with you and Chase, I'll

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Speaker 4: let you answer the same question. So the off season's

1821
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 4: been underway and ideally you guys are playing and I'm

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01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 4: talking to you maybe from Los Angeles next year. But

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Speaker 4: the theme of the off season for the Bengals so

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01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 4: far has obviously been continuity, right, same coach, same staff

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01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,599
Speaker 4: to Tobin is back. So t first of all, from you,

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Speaker 4: give us an idea of how you think the Bengals

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01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 4: this year will benefit from continuity.

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Speaker 14: I think, you know, they're gonna be built the right way,

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01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 14: and you know, come back this offseason, come together, you know,

1830
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,719
Speaker 14: reflect on things that that we could have did better

1831
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:07,639
Speaker 14: know the past.

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Speaker 15: Season, and come this next season and put it together.

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Speaker 2: Chase, how about you.

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01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 16: Know, I think there's a lot of positives and having

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01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 16: the same people around, so you know, Zach knows what

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01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:25,919
Speaker 16: he's doing, Duke knows what he's doing. So I'm excited

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01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 16: to see what they do and I look forward to

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01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 16: next season and just being a better player with Tea.

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Speaker 4: I think with what the Bengals offensively for years, it's

1840
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 4: been obviously an elite quarterback, obviously elite weaponry, looking for

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01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 4: the offensive line to perform at a similar level, and

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01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 4: I feel like, especially in the second half of the season,

1843
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 4: that happened, and I think now the Bengals we can

1844
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:51,600
Speaker 4: legitimately say have a good offensive line. There's a lot

1845
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 4: of us who want to make sure they bring back

1846
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 4: Dalton Reisner. But Chase describe what it was like working

1847
01:37:56,160 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 4: behind that offensive line this year maybe compared to some

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01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:02,679
Speaker 4: of the offensive lines you ran behind over your first

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01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 4: two seasons.

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Speaker 9: I think it's great.

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01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 16: I think the main thing with Uh that people don't

1852
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 16: really you know, get to hear about or know that

1853
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 16: much is how close they are. The way that you know,

1854
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 16: Ted leads the guys in the room, and I mean,

1855
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 16: you know, to build off of that. Football is also

1856
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 16: a huge game communication wise, and you know, when Ted

1857
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 16: makes a call, everybody on that front five plus the

1858
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 16: running back that we all know what you know we're

1859
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 16: trying to achieve, whether it's a protection or in the

1860
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Speaker 16: run game.

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Speaker 9: So that was really exciting to be a part of.

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Speaker 16: And you know, I'm I look forward to, you know,

1863
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 16: Ted continue to build on that, and it would be

1864
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 16: nice to bring Dalt back and everything.

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Speaker 9: So it'll be good Tee.

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Speaker 4: I would imagine you would echo everything that Chase just said.

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Speaker 15: Oh yeah, for sure, they get my boy to back

1868
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:57,679
Speaker 15: there some time.

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01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 4: Good right, Uh, you know, this season didn't go as

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01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 4: any of us would have liked. But a high point

1871
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 4: was Joe Flacco coming in and I want you both

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Speaker 4: to talk about this. So Joe Flacco comes in with

1873
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 4: no time to prepare and he's on the field against

1874
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Speaker 4: the Green Bay Packers, and I felt like during that

1875
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Speaker 4: week he exhibited a level of professionalism. He was obviously

1876
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:24,200
Speaker 4: a quick study. He was exactly what you guys needed.

1877
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 4: And then you know, the next game, you guys go

1878
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 4: on to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. Tease start with you

1879
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 4: describe the experience of having a guy come in from

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Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns on a Tuesday and you're playing with

1881
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 4: him on the road against a good team on Sunday.

1882
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 14: Yeah, for me, it was strange. You know, I mean

1883
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 14: it's first time I ever seen something like that happen.

1884
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:49,360
Speaker 14: But you know, he walk in locker room, I look back,

1885
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 14: some tall six to six guy behind him, like you

1886
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 14: know what I'm saying?

1887
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 9: He like, how you do?

1888
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 14: I'm Joe going to introduce ourselves, and man, then it

1889
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 14: was just crazy. How he came out acte that first

1890
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,799
Speaker 14: day was just you know, knowing plays.

1891
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 15: Obviously he messed up on a few play calls, but

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01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,599
Speaker 15: that's what me me and Chase are therefore to help

1893
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 15: him out things like that.

1894
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 14: But it was just you can just tell he's been

1895
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 14: there and done it, you know what I mean, because

1896
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:19,559
Speaker 14: he came in and it was just like like night

1897
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 14: and day means just slinging the.

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Speaker 4: Ball chase from your perspective, Joe Flacco comes in. I'm

1899
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 4: sure if te Higgins has to introduce himself to Joe Flacco,

1900
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 4: you at least had to introduce yourself. Uh similarly, what

1901
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:34,799
Speaker 4: was it like to Joe Flacco experience?

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01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was, it was. It was interesting.

1903
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 7: Man.

1904
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 16: I really didn't know what to expect at first, because

1905
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 16: you obviously see everything on you know, social media first.

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01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 16: But what I was most impressed by was his ability

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01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 16: to recite the place. Like the first walk through, he

1908
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:53,679
Speaker 16: was like, you know, Zach would tell him to play

1909
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 16: and then he would recite it.

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Speaker 9: Damn They're perfect every single time.

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Speaker 17: So it was so fast though, it was so fast

1912
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 17: like and it was just like he was just like

1913
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 17: it was just smooth too, and I don't know, it

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01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 17: was just it was just I was shocked because I

1915
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:10,639
Speaker 17: could I don't even think I can recite one play

1916
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 17: right now, but I know how to, like listen to them.

1917
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 4: Sure, I mean, you know, I don't know that outsiders

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Speaker 4: appreciate that. That's that's awesome.

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01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 16: But that is not normal, right, No, No, it's it's

1920
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Speaker 16: it's not easy.

1921
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Speaker 9: I mean it would be. It would be hilarious.

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01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 16: Like if one day, you know, somebody got like random

1923
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:32,800
Speaker 16: fans to recite like real football players, like they hear

1924
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 16: it one time and then they got to recite it

1925
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 16: like it would be.

1926
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:36,720
Speaker 9: It would be it would be hilarious.

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01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 4: You know, if if you could recite one. Now, we

1928
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 4: could try that if you want. But Chase, you said

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01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:42,879
Speaker 4: you can't remember, Tea, how about you.

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Speaker 15: A Chase correct?

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01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 8: Wrong?

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Speaker 9: Right?

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01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 7: Too?

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Speaker 15: Scat easy?

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Speaker 7: There you go? All right.

1936
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Speaker 4: So so obviously you guys are gonna have to get

1937
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 4: back in the facility quickly because you're you're already rusty

1938
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:09,719
Speaker 4: when it comes to the playbook. But that's okay, that's okay, Chase.

1939
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 4: You're eligible for a contract extension this offseason. Right, three

1940
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 4: years in the league, well established member of this offense.

1941
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 4: You've had a great run here in Cincinnati. Tea, could

1942
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,599
Speaker 4: you give Chase any advice on what it's what it's

1943
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 4: going to be like to negotiate a contract extension.

1944
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 18: Well, from my perspective, it was tough. It took me

1945
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 18: all of my five years to get that extension. I

1946
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:43,400
Speaker 18: would just say, be patient. They value, they value. They

1947
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 18: just gonna take time, but just be patient and it

1948
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 18: a come row.

1949
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:51,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, Chase, I got time for one more unfortually all right,

1950
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 4: Uh really quick, Chase? Give me Have they come to

1951
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:55,799
Speaker 4: you about a contract extension?

1952
01:42:58,479 --> 01:42:59,160
Speaker 7: Have we? Yeah?

1953
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 16: I mean we We've some conversations. My agent has had

1954
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 16: some conversations. So you know, that's all I'm going to

1955
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:10,800
Speaker 16: really say right now. But you know, team with the

1956
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 16: great advice and you know, always being there when I

1957
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 16: needed and so appreciate my wing men right there.

1958
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:19,400
Speaker 4: All right, well done, well done. Let's talk about wing

1959
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 4: men and bounty. So you've you've got the super Bowl

1960
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 4: coming up. I think of the Super Bowl, I think

1961
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 4: of wings, I think of wing men, and I think

1962
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,559
Speaker 4: of bounty roll the all those in the same package.

1963
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 15: For me, I mean, when you like me, I host

1964
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 15: Super Bowl parties, you know what I'm saying.

1965
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 14: I host watch parties and things like that like this

1966
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:41,600
Speaker 14: past College Notational Championship how to Watch party.

1967
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:43,719
Speaker 15: And you know, we had wings, we.

1968
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 14: Had nachos, we had peace, so we had all types

1969
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 14: of things, but would come with wings and nachos, you know, messy,

1970
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:52,320
Speaker 14: messy hands and things like that.

1971
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,639
Speaker 15: And you can't have wings without domming.

1972
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 4: So I want to get an invite to one of

1973
01:43:58,240 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 4: your parties. What do I have to do to get

1974
01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:01,360
Speaker 4: a invited? This I'll bring bounty.

1975
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:02,600
Speaker 2: What do I have to do get an invite to

1976
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 2: the super Bowl party?

1977
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 15: Just let me know and I'll send you in adjust.

1978
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:10,120
Speaker 9: You need to bring a bunch of bounty paper toiles.

1979
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 2: I know you know.

1980
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 4: The stores are still well stocked with bounty, which is great.

1981
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 4: It's the ultimate wingman for any party, any super Bowl party.

1982
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 4: And so I'll bring the bounty. You guys provide everything

1983
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 4: else and I'll be there. Cannot thank you enough. Enjoy

1984
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:28,719
Speaker 4: the rest of the off season and enjoy the super Bowl.

1985
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,480
Speaker 4: And thanks to you guys as well as Bounty. Much appreciated.

1986
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 4: All Right, there you go, T Higgins and Chase Brown.

1987
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:38,200
Speaker 4: Nice to have them on behalf of course of bounty.

1988
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:41,120
Speaker 4: If you need to wipe something up, get Bounty to

1989
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 4: wipe it up. I mean it's they're not going to

1990
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:44,639
Speaker 4: wipe it up for you, but you could use bounty

1991
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:47,800
Speaker 4: to wipe up that stuff. T Higgins going to his

1992
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 4: first Pro Bowl Chase Brown in the middle of an

1993
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:53,960
Speaker 4: off season where Bengals can give him a contract extension,

1994
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:57,599
Speaker 4: we will see. Sports headlines are next on ESPN fifteen

1995
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Speaker 4: thirty Cincinnati Sports.

1996
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:05,200
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1997
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:08,679
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1998
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:11,200
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1999
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2000
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2001
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:21,679
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2002
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 6: off from an accident that's between Blue Rock and seventy four.

2003
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:28,519
Speaker 6: Traffic slow back from Coleraine with a twenty five minute delay.

2004
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 6: Also reports of a disabled truck southbound seventy five near

2005
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 6: Glendale Milford Road. I'm at ezelic with traffic.

2006
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 2: This report is sponsored by.

2007
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Speaker 3: Is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

2008
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 4: Sports Headlines are a service at Kelsey Chevrolet, home of

2009
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2010
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 4: to yours for life kelseyshow dot com. T Higgins has

2011
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 4: been named to the AFC Pro Bowl team for the

2012
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:59,679
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six Pro Bowl Games. First career Pro Bowl

2013
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:03,759
Speaker 4: select for Tea becomes the tenth wide receiver in Bengals

2014
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 4: history to be named a Pro Bowl or. Of course,

2015
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase was a Pro Bowl selection last year he

2016
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:14,000
Speaker 4: was Originally, Tea was selected as a second alternate on

2017
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:18,360
Speaker 4: the Pro Bowl roster. He replaces Baltimore Baltimore's Jay Flowers.

2018
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 4: The twenty twenty six Pro Bowl Games take place on

2019
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 4: Tuesday at the Moscown Center in San Francisco. It's still

2020
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:29,680
Speaker 4: a flag football game, right, they play flag football. I

2021
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 4: will admit to having not watched the Pro Bowl games

2022
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 4: and will also admit to having not watched the actual

2023
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:37,839
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl, probably as an adult.

2024
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:41,479
Speaker 2: But congratulations nonetheless to Tea. What else do we have?

2025
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 4: The Browns have hired former Baltimore Ravens offensive coording to

2026
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 4: Tom Monkin is their new head coach. College tips Tonight,

2027
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 4: Dan Skillings is back as a Baylor's in town to

2028
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 4: take on the UC Bearcats. A little bit of an

2029
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 4: earlier tip off time than usual. That game is going

2030
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:02,080
Speaker 4: to start at six point thirty pregame at six. I've

2031
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 4: gotta take the iHeartMedia helicopter to get there. Pregame at

2032
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 4: six on seven hundred WLW. Also tonight, the e Xavier

2033
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:14,800
Speaker 4: Musketeers are in New Jersey to battle Seaton Hall. That

2034
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 4: game is gonna tip off at seven point thirty and

2035
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 4: you'll be able to listen to its on fifty five

2036
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:22,960
Speaker 4: KRC Hockey.

2037
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 2: Tonight.

2038
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:28,120
Speaker 4: The Columbus Blue Jackets skates and play hockey this evening

2039
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 4: at home against Philadelphia and FC Cincinnati just finished up

2040
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 4: preseason match number two. They finished in a one to

2041
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 4: one draw with Philadelphia.

2042
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 2: So there you go.

2043
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:41,960
Speaker 4: Xavier's on the roads and I trying to bounce back

2044
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:45,760
Speaker 4: after losing to Saint John's. The Muskies taking on Seaton Hall.

2045
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 4: NKU is at Detroit Mercy for the first of a

2046
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:53,640
Speaker 4: two game Michigan road trip. That game is going to

2047
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:56,559
Speaker 4: be on Friday. Rick boring on both the Muskies and

2048
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:57,080
Speaker 4: the Norris.

2049
01:47:57,120 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 10: Next Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

2050
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 2: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center.

2051
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:07,559
Speaker 6: With a stroke every second counts and so does your

2052
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 6: team home to rapid life saving treatment and clinical trials.

2053
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 6: You see health as the clear choice for strokecare. Learn

2054
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:17,679
Speaker 6: more at u seehealth dot com. Westbound two seventy five.

2055
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,639
Speaker 6: The right two lanes remain blocked off from an accident

2056
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:24,040
Speaker 6: that's between Blue Rock and seventy four. Traffic slow back

2057
01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 6: from Cole Ring with a twenty five minute delay. Also

2058
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:30,679
Speaker 6: reports of a disabled truck southbound seventy five near Glendale

2059
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:33,800
Speaker 6: Milford Road. I'm at ezelic with traffic.

2060
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 4: Does Seaton Hall? That game's going to tip off at

2061
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:39,400
Speaker 4: seven thirty. NKU has the first of consecutive games in

2062
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:43,920
Speaker 4: Michigan with a tilt on a Friday evening against Detroit Mercy.

2063
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 4: Here to talk about both is the owner of Musketeer

2064
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:50,599
Speaker 4: Report dot com and the color analyst on NKU radio broadcast.

2065
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 2: Our friend Rick Brooring.

2066
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 4: Hi, Rick, Hey Mel, how are you? I'm wonderful yourself

2067
01:48:56,600 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 4: doing great good. Xavier overcomes a slow start against Saint

2068
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:04,640
Speaker 4: John's and they built a twelve point halftime lead and

2069
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 4: then the wheels kind of fell off in the second half.

2070
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:08,960
Speaker 2: They lose to Saint John's by five. What happened?

2071
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 8: Well, Saint John's played a lot more like Saint John's

2072
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:18,640
Speaker 8: and Xavier struggled to handle that physicality athleticism, especially on

2073
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 8: the offensive glass and when their bigger forwards and centers

2074
01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 8: were taking it to them off the dribble. I thought

2075
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:26,680
Speaker 8: that was the biggest difference in the game. I know

2076
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:28,400
Speaker 8: fans wanted to point to some of the calls that

2077
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:30,720
Speaker 8: were made down the stretch and point to some of

2078
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:33,719
Speaker 8: Xavier's failures, but you know, I thought they were playing

2079
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 8: above their level to get that sixteen point lead that

2080
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 8: they held early in the second half, and they actually

2081
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:43,240
Speaker 8: did a pretty good job of weathering the storm late

2082
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:45,960
Speaker 8: after Saint John's had made their run, gotten back into

2083
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:48,679
Speaker 8: the game, had taken the lead, Xavior still gave themselves

2084
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 8: chances down the stretch to win that game. But in

2085
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,040
Speaker 8: those final moments, the better team made the play.

2086
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:57,160
Speaker 2: Was the storm pun there intended or not?

2087
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:01,800
Speaker 8: No pun intended but intended. It's just how my brain works,

2088
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:03,639
Speaker 8: operating at a different level on this Wednesday.

2089
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:05,760
Speaker 2: I understand. I like it, we appreciate it.

2090
01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 4: What has stood out about how Richard Patino has coached

2091
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 4: this team, and in particular relative to maybe what your

2092
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:14,439
Speaker 4: preseason expectations.

2093
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:18,520
Speaker 7: Were, he's overachieved from my expectation.

2094
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 8: I mean, if you remember when Chad Brendle and I

2095
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 8: came into your studio to do the preview show, I

2096
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 8: had him at eleven and twenty overall, and so I

2097
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 8: think he's done a good job in terms of having

2098
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:33,680
Speaker 8: Xavier as competitive as they've been. Now, the thing I

2099
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 8: talked about on my podcast at Musketeer Report is you

2100
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 8: can look at this either way though right now, like that,

2101
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 8: the people who are optimistic and positive and excited about

2102
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:46,439
Speaker 8: Davior basketball have all the evidence they need from what

2103
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:48,720
Speaker 8: they've seen from Richard Patina this year to say I'm

2104
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:51,559
Speaker 8: excited about the direction of the program. I think he'll

2105
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:54,559
Speaker 8: he'll do a great job going forward with a better

2106
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,040
Speaker 8: off season, a more productive offseason in the transfer portal,

2107
01:50:57,200 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 8: and a better roster next season. But the people who

2108
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:03,160
Speaker 8: are cestimistic or want to be negative, they've got all

2109
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 8: the evidence they need to when they can say, we

2110
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 8: got blown out at home by Santa Clara, we had

2111
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 8: the worst loss in some Tous history to create in

2112
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:11,799
Speaker 8: by forty one points. We got blown out by Yukon,

2113
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:14,200
Speaker 8: We lost a sixteen point second half lead on our

2114
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:15,519
Speaker 8: home court against Saint John's.

2115
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 2: Like, those people aren't.

2116
01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 7: Going to be.

2117
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:22,840
Speaker 8: Persuaded by Yeah, they've been competitive and played better than

2118
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 8: Rick Browing's expectations in the preseason. So it's kind of

2119
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:28,760
Speaker 8: an interesting situation and team.

2120
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 4: From that standpoint right now, Seaton Hall crept into the

2121
01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 4: top twenty five. They had a big game against Yukon

2122
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 4: in their building that I thought for about three minutes

2123
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:38,639
Speaker 4: in the second half of that game they were going

2124
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:41,120
Speaker 4: to win. That was the first of a four game

2125
01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:44,360
Speaker 4: losing streak. How good or bad are the Pirates.

2126
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:46,920
Speaker 8: Well, it depends on what end of the court you're

2127
01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:49,639
Speaker 8: currently playing on. If you're on their offensive end, they're

2128
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:53,519
Speaker 8: pretty bad. If you're on your offensive end, they're really good,

2129
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 8: like elite top ten in the country. Good defensively, but

2130
01:51:57,240 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 8: offensively not at all. They just don't have the skill

2131
01:51:59,880 --> 01:52:02,639
Speaker 8: or shooting to be very productive in the half court.

2132
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 8: So if they're able to get steals and get out

2133
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:08,640
Speaker 8: and transition and score, then they're playing pretty well. But

2134
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:11,680
Speaker 8: when you don't give them those turnovers and you make

2135
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:13,920
Speaker 8: them play in a half court game, they're not very

2136
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 8: effective offensively. I mean, it's truly going to be two

2137
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:21,759
Speaker 8: completely opposite styles going at it tonight in New Jersey.

2138
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,639
Speaker 8: Xavier wants to be finesse, swing the ball around the perimeter,

2139
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 8: play free flowing and fast offensively, and outscore you.

2140
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 7: Seaton Hall wants to.

2141
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,920
Speaker 8: Grind you to a pulp score in the sixties and

2142
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:34,519
Speaker 8: you know, just beat you by a couple points at

2143
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:37,720
Speaker 8: the end of the game. It's all about physicality and

2144
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:41,120
Speaker 8: toughness with them, which has not been Xavier's strength, especially

2145
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 8: if you watch the second half of that Saint John's game.

2146
01:52:43,280 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 8: So I'm interested to see how it goes.

2147
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:49,559
Speaker 4: I went and watched, as you well know, NKU played

2148
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 4: Cleveland State back in mid early to mid December, and

2149
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,600
Speaker 4: the Norse won that game. They were not awesome on

2150
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:58,720
Speaker 4: the defensive end, and you and I talked about, you

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Speaker 4: know what that could end up being their fatal flaw.

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Speaker 4: Is that starting to sink this team based on the

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Speaker 4: previous two outings.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that the inconsistencies on the defensive end.

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Speaker 8: And I mean, again, as much as we want to

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Speaker 8: sit here and talk about NKU struggling defensively, they're still

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Speaker 8: I think they're now second in defensive efficiency in the conference.

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Speaker 8: Last week when we talked, they were first in the conference.

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Speaker 8: So the metrics still say they're pretty darn good on

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Speaker 8: that end of the floor. But to your point, now,

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Speaker 8: I think in some of these games, in close games,

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Speaker 8: the second half, in important moments they have not been consistent,

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Speaker 8: and they have not been able to come up with

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Speaker 8: the stops needed to.

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Speaker 7: Win those games.

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Speaker 8: And I think Saturday was a bit of a step

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Speaker 8: back for NKU because it's the first time in conference

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Speaker 8: play that they've been defeated soundly. The other four losses

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Speaker 8: were all down to the final possessions and could have

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Speaker 8: gone either way. They just weren't able to come out

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Speaker 8: with the win the game at Right State. Your Right

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Speaker 8: State was clearly the better team. And so now if

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Speaker 8: you're an MKU fan, you're in a situation where this

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Speaker 8: year in the Horizon League, the top three seeds have

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Speaker 8: a maze your advantage, or maybe better put, if you're

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Speaker 8: a fourth or fifth seedt or below, you put yourself

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Speaker 8: in a much more difficult situation to make a run

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Speaker 8: to the Horizon League championship with the way that they've

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Speaker 8: changed the bracket. And so right now, it's one thing

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Speaker 8: early in the season and say, okay, you let a

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Speaker 8: couple of games get away from you, but now when

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Speaker 8: you've let five losses pile up, it becomes crunch time.

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Speaker 8: You have to really make a nice run here at

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Speaker 8: the end of the season to put yourself in position

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Speaker 8: for one of those top three seeds. And with that

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Speaker 8: in mind, this weekend series in Detroit and Oakland are

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Speaker 8: going to be huge games for NKU.

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Speaker 4: How often does a team in the Horizon League play

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Speaker 4: three consecutive road games?

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, if you're NKU, it seems to happen

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Speaker 8: all the time. If your other teams in the league,

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Speaker 8: you know, not quite as much. We haven't really been

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Speaker 8: able to solve why that is year after year, but

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Speaker 8: the league office, I'm sure we'll get back to us soon.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, see if you can dive into that

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Speaker 4: and we'll talk next week.

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Speaker 2: Thank you as always, Thanks both. All Right, there you go.

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Speaker 4: There's our guy, Rick Boring Musketine Report dot Com, NKU

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Speaker 4: Radio the Norseback in action on Friday night with the

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Speaker 4: game against Detroit Mercy. You'll hear it live on ESPN

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Speaker 4: fifteen thirty. Chad Brendle joins us tomorrow I have to

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