1 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Seven oh six here a PET five KRCD talk station. 2 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm very happy Friday, Extra Special Friday, at least from 3 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: my perspective, but I hope you share my perspective in studio, 4 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Former Congressman brad Winstrip Citizen brand web Strip. You still 5 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: have your licensed practice medicine because I want to talk 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: about healthcare with you. Welcome back, Brad. It's always great 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: seeing you. 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Yes, I do, and I am. 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: I remind people it's doctor brad Winstrip, so. 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know I'm still engaging here and there 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 3: academically and especially but. 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and a consulting love is yes out in the world. 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: I understand you have new employment, new means of income, 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: but it involves the medical profession generally speaking, a lot 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: of it at national security and security which we're going 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: to get to as well because we're season venice well 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: and tankers. Now we're dropping bombs on Venezuela and drug dealers. 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: And some really good success with Trump's trade policies, our 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: trade deficit has narrowed substantially. More exports from our country, 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: fewer imports into our country. The tariffs in spite of 21 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: all the you know, the whaling and gnashing of teeth 22 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: about Teriff apparently is now starting to bear some fruit 23 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: for our benefits. So putting that aside for a moment. 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 2: We'll get to that. 25 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: Yes we will if we have done as expected. 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: Now. 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: Of course, they had to vote on these various healthcare proposals, 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, extending these subsidies under Obamacare or coming up 29 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: with an alternative solution. Both the Republicans and the Democrats 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: senate versions of these, you know, efforts both got shot down. 31 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: We all expected that to happen. So we're back to 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: square one. I guess at this point we only bought 33 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: until what the eighteenth of December in terms of keeping 34 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: the government open under the continuing resolution that exists. I 35 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: seem to recall that being the case they had to 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: work out. They're trying to hand out the balance of 37 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: the appropriations bills during this window of opportunity. 38 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 3: They're going to try to Yeah luck right, Yeah, well, 39 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: you know, they are moving. I will I will say 40 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 3: that the people on Appropriations are working hard. 41 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: I will tell you that. 42 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: But that's because it's under Republican control right now. But 43 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that it won't still end up in 44 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 3: some kind of end of your bill an omnibus, well 45 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: an omnibus or another cr which we've gotten so used to. 46 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: I just don't know why we don't have a collection 47 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: of people on both sides of the aisle that feel 48 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: it's their obligation and duty to get this done one 49 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: way or another, even if you don't like everything that's 50 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: in it. 51 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: It's one of the core job functions of being a 52 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: US House Representatives member work on the twelve appropriations bills. 53 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: What other jobs do you really have by way of 54 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: I mean, if you had a list and do a 55 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: responsibility memo or something. Working on twelve appropriations bills and 56 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: getting done on a calendar year basis is like first 57 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: and foremost. 58 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 2: And I have seen it done. 59 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: But sometimes it's just on not all twelve, but a 60 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 3: lot of them, and. 61 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: We'll package those together. 62 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 3: And right now I do see that Republicans are working 63 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 3: hard to do that, because when we have the majority 64 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: like that, especially in the House, we get them done. 65 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 3: Now you get over the Senate, and that's another situation 66 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 3: a lot of times, but that's the way our government 67 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: was made up and we have to recognize that. But 68 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: onto healthcare, as you were talking about the situation is 69 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: such like the Affordable Care Act is not anything Republicans 70 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: ever supported, right, they didn't support. 71 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: It to begin with. 72 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: And the idea of these subsidies, as the Democrats promoted 73 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 3: it during COVID was this is just during COVID, this 74 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: is temporary. 75 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: They put the. 76 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: End date on that under the guys that after COVID, 77 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: we won't really need it. But the fact of the 78 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: matter is they do need it to carry out their 79 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: plan to keep it going. And you know it includes 80 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: things like increasing health premiums for the majority of the 81 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: consumers to subsidize the minority with expense of medical conditions, 82 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: et cetera. That's somewhat the nature of insurance anyway, I 83 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 3: get that. But the way this is set up, it's 84 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: just increasing the cost. It's only benefiting insurance companies for 85 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: them to want to take on the Affordable Care Act 86 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: as it exists. But the Democrats want these additional subsidies 87 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: rather than recognizing that the Affordable Care Act was a failure. 88 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: It's not affordable. It isn't It never was going to 89 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: be the way it was set up, and you could 90 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 3: see that. Yet you know it doesn't matter. 91 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: Well, they'll just call it affordable. 92 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: Lord knows how it might have worked out, But the 93 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: rug was pulled out from under when the Supreme Court 94 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: did its original analysis of the constitutionality of it in 95 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: the first place, right out of the gate. In spite 96 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: of the fact that they found that attacks wasn't attax 97 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: and they ultimately upheld it, they shot down the commerce 98 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: clause argument. Democrats are trying to use the commerce Clause 99 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: the United States Constitution to say that they could use 100 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: it to force you to buy something. Now they can 101 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: prevent you from doing something under the commerce clause engaging 102 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: in commercial activity, traveling across state lines, blah blah blah, 103 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: but they can't make you, was the pronouncement from the 104 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. And once we weren't mandated to buy it 105 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: and they couldn't force us to buy it, the house 106 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: of cards collapsed on itself. 107 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is obviously what Republicans pursued too, was the 108 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 3: individual mandate, Yeah, because then you know, you're purchasing something 109 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 3: basically at gunpoint or threat with why with threat with 110 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: threat of going to jail basically And you know, but 111 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: but Donald Trump, his first action Donald Trump during his 112 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: first term, he in many ways solved a lot of 113 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 3: this by getting the so called short term health insurance. 114 00:05:54,080 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: The Trump's clarification needs to be a permanent law where 115 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: people have options to buy outside of the Affordable Care 116 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: Act and have them available, and so you can buy 117 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 3: something that allows you to say, get catastrophic insurance or 118 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: meet your needs and nuns don't have to buy insurance 119 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 3: for contraception. 120 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: Well, if you're outside of Obamacare and you're not obligated 121 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: to work with Obamacare, buy an Obamacare plan. You've got 122 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: two hundred plus medical insurance providers out in the world. 123 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: That's what I speak for. Cover Sincy. He's an insurance 124 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: broger for medical insurance. There are hundreds of companies out there. 125 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: You don't have to You can buy just a catastrophic 126 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: policy period. 127 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: That's it. 128 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: You don't have to buy anything else. You might be 129 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: really in a gem if you have some other problems. 130 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: You're not going to have your day to day regular 131 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: checkups covered and your you know, maybe emergency visits won't 132 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: be covered. But you know, if you get clobbered with 133 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: a cancer diagnosis, whatever, you might have coverage for something 134 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: like that. But nobody can force you to buy something. 135 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: Nobody can force you to buy Obamacare airgo. You don't 136 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: have to buy this full plate of benefits that Obamacare 137 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: provides that cost so much damn money. I mean, there 138 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: is an open market out there, have a choice. 139 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: Yes, you know, the same people that are for decades 140 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: been screaming about choice are often trying to give people 141 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: no choice on other matters. 142 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the fact that there's not enough education out 143 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: there about how the insurance market works makes people think 144 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: that I'm only stuck with either what my employer provides me, 145 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: which if you've got an employer covered policy, then you 146 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: know you're a leg up on a lot of Americans. 147 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: That's a good thing, I guess for a lot of reasons. 148 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it lets market a little bit. There's some 149 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: downsides for that, but whatever. But if you're not covered 150 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: by an employer policy, you're not stuck having to choose 151 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: an Obama care plan. You know, you can go to 152 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: a different medical insurance provider and buy only what you need. 153 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 154 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: Isn't that an ad for an insurance company. 155 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: It's an ad for cover sensing, And I'm happy to 156 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: give it to them for free just because that's what 157 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: they do. And there are other brokers out in the 158 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: world that may do the same thing as is my 159 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: friends that cover since you, but you know, they pay 160 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: to support the show, and I'm just explaining to you 161 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: what they do, which is a reflection of the fact 162 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: that there is a market out there that has nothing 163 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: to do with Obamacare exactly. 164 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: And you can and you know, the federal courts agreed 165 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: the federal law allows for both to exist. Yeah, so 166 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: let's put that though, clarify it in law, and without 167 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: an agency trying to strike it down in the process 168 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: as well. 169 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, we are our own worst enemy when it comes 170 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: to this. I mean, let's let's reveal the elephant in 171 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: the room that I mentioned many times before. First off, 172 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: because that mandate that you must engage in commercial activity 173 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: that you didn't want to do, forcing you to buy 174 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: Obamacare shot down as unconstitutional. That blew up what the 175 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: ultimate goal here. The Democrats want to keep this alive. 176 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: It's on life support already. These supplements only make it 177 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: appealing as an option because the premiums disappear. It's magic, 178 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: it's free. You know, the American taxpayer is covering, and 179 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: all that money's going to the insurance companies. So it 180 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: just shattered their dream of what I call Medicaid for all, 181 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: which is what they wanted. They wanted every man wanting 182 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: child in the United States to be insured under one 183 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: single thing. That would be Obamacare. And it's going to 184 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: be a boiled down form of Medicare, i e. Medicaid, 185 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: less coverage, less service, and of course the one size 186 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: fits all get in line like a Soviet breadline. Reality 187 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: of medicine that would bring about. 188 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: Medicaid has at least success on health than any plan 189 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: because it's not readily accessible. Not everyone takes it. This 190 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: is what you would You would see it has the 191 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 3: highest mortality and morbidity. And you will see people argue 192 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 3: about medicaid and say, well, people are much healthier because 193 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: they have Medicaid. Well, you're saying they're healthier because they 194 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: have medicaid compared to nothing, Right, that's not what we're 195 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: talking about. We're not talking about having nothing available. 196 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Talking about something that actually does what it's supposed to. Anyway, 197 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: will continue with citizen brad Winsterrip, Doctor brad Winsterrup in 198 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: a moment got a part company here, just mentioned twenty 199 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: two three on round forty two between Mason and eleven, 200 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: and he talks station Brian Timas here with well, he 201 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: served his country. He probably continued to serve his country 202 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: serving the American military. He's a doctor, he's Brad Winsor, 203 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: a former congressman and also someone who had his high 204 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: level security clearance. You're on the Security Council, right, and. 205 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: I was on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence 206 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 3: and now serving on the President's Intelligence Advisory Board. I 207 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 3: don't speak for either as I sit here. 208 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. I was really impressed. I saw this 209 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: article just yesterday. Israel is unveiled and has used and 210 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: successfully deployed in combat this thing they call iron Beam. 211 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: It's a super high power laser that can lock on 212 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: targets and just a fraction of a second, and considering 213 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: laser's travel to speed of light, they can blow missiles 214 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: out of the sky with it. It's war and it 215 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: costs between a buck and two bucks in terms of 216 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: energy usage to operate it. This seems to me to 217 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: be a complete game changer, Like drones were a game 218 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: changer in warfare. We're not going to be making patriot 219 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: missiles pretty soon. Because if you can use this successfully 220 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: and deploy this successfully, this technology is a absolute total 221 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: game changer in war. Drones can be shot out of 222 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: the sky and I'm just kind of wondering, and you 223 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: may not have any information about I'm not pressing you 224 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: for that. If this stuff, this technology as developed, can 225 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: work on hypersonic missiles as well, which pose the greatest threat. 226 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: From my standpoint, you can chime in on that if 227 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: you choose to. But if you can shoot hypersonic missiles 228 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: out of the sky with this man, this is this 229 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: is revolutionary. 230 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: Well, we're always looking for point counterpoint, right, Yeah, no 231 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: matter what someone has, do we have it and can 232 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: we negate them? You know, that's a countermeasure, measures and countermeasures. 233 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: We develop this with the Israelis and they use one 234 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: point five billion dollars of our money to help develop this, 235 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: and they've shared this with us, according to the reporting. 236 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 3: Accorney to the reporting. And look, the idea of iron 237 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 3: Dome was in this same vein. It's always like, what 238 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 3: can we do that may be better and cheaper, especially right, 239 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 3: and so you want to pursue these types of measures. 240 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 3: I've always had this in the back of my mind 241 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: and sometimes I would I would express it that is 242 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: there a better way than just a significantly kinetic force 243 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: against this, but have the same result, if not better result. 244 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: Right, right, So and cheaper, unlimited. As long as you 245 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: have electricity, this will keep firing, you know. 246 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you also want to look, you know, what 247 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: is the cost, right, how many dollars are going out 248 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 3: compared to So they're spending dollars on a drone, but 249 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: it costs a whole lot more for us to shoot 250 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: it out of the sky with, like you said, patriot 251 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: missile or something. 252 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: Like a million dollars. 253 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can break the bank, which is what 254 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 3: we did during the Cold War, right, We bostally basically 255 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 3: broke the Soviet Union's bank because we have technologies and 256 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: advancements that they just could not keep up with, right, 257 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 3: and so the Cold War basically came to an end. 258 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: So this would be a huge thing. 259 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 3: I don't think it developed overnight, so it was probably 260 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: the making for some time decades. But I give credit 261 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: if it is there and it's capable. They did a 262 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: good job of keeping it quiet because you certainly don't 263 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: want the enemy starting to work on it as well. 264 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: Well, and you can't deny that the enemy's working on 265 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: as laser beams have been around forever, and they've been 266 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: working on high powered lasers for a long time. The 267 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: problem was the size, the portability, the speed of target acquisition. 268 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: Guess what, we have modern computers that process data instantaneously now, 269 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: so with gradually over time, you've shrunk the size of 270 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: these you've made them more powerful, and you've allowed for 271 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: locking into for targets in great accuracy, at least as 272 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: demonstrated by the Israelis in this iron beam situation. And 273 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: one can only imagine it's going to get better and better. 274 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: I guess pivoting over and I know we're gonna need 275 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: aircraft for a long time. But if the iron beam 276 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: can shoot a high speed weapon out of the sky, 277 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: I imagine it could lock in on a old, I 278 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: don't know, jet plane going nine hundred miles an hour 279 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: F forty five. We got a huge appropriation for the 280 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: development of a new replacement for the F thirty five. 281 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: These things come in at a billion dollars or whatever. 282 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: A pop boom gone in a fraction of a second. Yeah. 283 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we have adversaries that are always seeking nefarious ways 284 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 3: to take us out, and our job is to continually 285 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: try to counter that. 286 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: And now you're talking. 287 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: It's interesting you bring that out because now you're talking 288 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: about something that we control from land. It is the 289 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: Israeli army that has worked on the Iron Dome and 290 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: manipulates the Iron Dome. And I've gone to Israel and 291 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: seen what they were able to do. But that's very 292 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: expensive to shoot these things out of the skies. But 293 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: you may be seeing the videos, especially at night time, 294 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: as these missiles are coming in, it looks like fireworks. 295 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: It looks like or illustrated fireworks because it's. 296 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: Like boom, boom, boom. 297 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: They're just knocking them down out of the sky over 298 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: their own land, right. So pretty effective tool where maybe 299 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: two out of one hundred get through. Well, but there's 300 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: cost to that, and if you can reduce that cost 301 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: and have a more efficient system, that is a wonderful 302 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: thing for us to. 303 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: Be able to have. 304 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: And the Israelis are constantly on guard and they're a 305 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 3: good partner to have. 306 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: Apparently a favorite of a lot of countries around the world. 307 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: The eighth largest arms exporter in the world. The Israelis 308 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: are country the size of New Jersey. 309 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 3: Well, it's innovation nation there, that's what they call themselves. 310 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 3: And you know they do that, they probably have fewer 311 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: regulations on their innovations. 312 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: I imagine, and it does help when you got one 313 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: point five billion dollars in the United States capital going 314 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: into a program like this Iron Beam. But to the 315 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: extent it works the way it's been described, I'd say 316 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: it was well worth the investment. Seven twenty six. Right 317 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: now more with Brad Weinstrip, Citizen Brad Weinstrup. After I 318 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: mentioned my friends at four seven thirty here if you 319 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: about KRC Decox station, A very happy Friday to you, 320 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: Brad Winsterp. Citizen Brad WINSTERP, Doctor Brad Winsterp, a former 321 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: member of Congress, Brad Winsorp and studio talking to him, 322 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: and he's still got a security clearance, so he's got 323 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: all kinds of details that you and I aren't privy to. 324 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: But he is informed, and since he's been there and 325 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: done that, he's a perfect person to common on what's 326 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: going on in the world. I love, honestly, one can 327 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: like being correct. I kind of feel over the years 328 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: I might have gone out on a limb a little 329 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: bit to make my opinions known about what I believe 330 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: in terms of this theory of global climate change. And 331 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: I have always always pointed out, I think, what is 332 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:52,359 Speaker 1: a demonstrable objective fact that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. 333 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: It is a naturally occurring thing. It's part of our atmosphere, 334 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: and it's plant food. Plants thrive and live on our exhalation. 335 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: Without it, plants would die. But they also give life 336 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: giving oxygen in return for the carbon dioxide that you 337 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: and I give them. Well, lo and behold we have 338 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: every single day, it seems more and more information. Now 339 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: we have this science journal Nate and Journal Nature retracting 340 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: what was described as a catastrophic climate change study. We're 341 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: all gonna die a la al gore greta Thunberg, Oh 342 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: my god. And it's like, well, wait a minute, we 343 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: were wrong. After so many organizations and these these Green 344 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: New Deal type leeches and NGOs out in the world 345 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: sucking up our tax dollars relied on the study to 346 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: make the argument that they were worthy of receiving our dollars. Well, 347 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: guess what, pull the plug on that one because it 348 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: wasn't true. But there's a lot of articles like that 349 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: have been retracted after already going out into the world. 350 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: You know, we can go back to the hockey stick, 351 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: and they've since retracted that, which seemed to be the 352 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: genesis of this whole thing. So what's your take on 353 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: this and the throat slitting that goes on. We were 354 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: talking about war between Russia and Ukraine and the break 355 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: their brad and mentioned Germany's economy. I said, well, they 356 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: cut their own throat. You had comment about Russia might 357 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: have been jealous because they had such a thriving, booming 358 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: economy in the European Union. Germany was the outlier, one 359 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: of the biggest economies in the world. Guess what, they 360 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 1: can't keep the lights on anymore because they pursued these policies. 361 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: There's something really nefarious behind the scenes on this, and 362 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: I don't hear about it as much anymore. 363 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 3: How about you, Well, they know you don't. But they 364 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 3: also became dependent on Russian oil and things like that 365 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 3: because they put themselves in this situation. And then we 366 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: under the Biden administration NATed and embedded that because we 367 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: reduced our outputs so tremendously and the rest is basically history. 368 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 3: But you know, you point to something there. You mentioned 369 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 3: was it Nature magazine? 370 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: One of the studies, and you. 371 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: Know, there are so many things I am finding out 372 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 3: and have found out, and especially during COVID because as 373 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 3: I was chairing the Pandemic Committee, we did a hearing 374 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 3: on scientific journals basically and what they were, what they 375 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: were putting out, and what was their process. And you 376 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 3: saw things being published that really weren't peer reviewed, that 377 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 3: really weren't tried and tested. And there is a site 378 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 3: you can go to that has retractions of scientific articles. 379 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: And that's not just one or two here and there. 380 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: I mean there are many. And of course so many 381 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 3: people go on what ends up in a journal and 382 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 3: in a magazine and take it as gospel. And so 383 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 3: you can have situations where you know you're going to 384 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: get published, even though you know this isn't even that 385 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 3: great of a scientific process that you used, and therefore 386 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: it sticks because it meets your agenda, and then later 387 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: it's retracted. Well how much later, how much later? When 388 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 3: was that Nature article put out? I don't know, maybe 389 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: it's in that that piece that you're referring to, Brian, but. 390 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: This s four research, so it's pretty red damn Institute 391 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: of Climate Impact Research. And lord knows from the name 392 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: of the entity that did the initial study. You know 393 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: the outcome of the study before you read the study itself. Oh, 394 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: if they're the Institute for Climate Impact Research, weley guess 395 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: they believe that carbon dioxide is going to kill us. 396 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 397 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: And I can remember too having a hearing on ways 398 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: and Means, not when Republicans were running the committee, but 399 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 3: as the effects of climate change on health, and so 400 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 3: they were trying to say, you know, it's destroying our health. 401 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: We're not healthy people because of all this terrible climate change. 402 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 3: And and of course that is then addressing the evils 403 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: of energy outside of solar panels and windmills. And I said, 404 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 3: have you walked through a hospital and seen how reliant 405 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 3: it is on energy? And do you know that when 406 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 3: Puerto Rico, for example, had two hurricanes and storms, they 407 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 3: had to run on generators. 408 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 2: To keep people alive. 409 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 3: So are you you know how actually are you thinking 410 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 3: about this? 411 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: Energy saves lives. 412 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: Plastics generally speaking, what would the world be if you've 413 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: got rid of fossil fuels completely and eradicated them with 414 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: a la Gretathonberg's wishes and desires? Hell, that boat she 415 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: floats around and wouldn't even exist because it's made up 416 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: a bunch of plastics. 417 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 3: I was in Chicago years ago when they had a 418 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: brown out. 419 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 2: I mean it was so hot. 420 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: I was up there for a Reds Cubs game, and 421 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 3: it was so hot that there was a brown out 422 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: across the city. Brian, do you know that five hundred 423 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: people died in their homes and apartments from the heat. 424 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, we say annually more people die from heat than. 425 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: Cold, and therefore they're dying from a lack of energy 426 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 3: because they had air conditioners. But there was a brown out, right, 427 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 3: it didn't work. Yeah, so you got to look at 428 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 3: all sides of the issue, and not only that. As 429 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 3: you said, what is wrong with photosynthesis? 430 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: Nothing here? We learned about it in second grade or 431 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: something like that. Didn't we the circle at the excellent. 432 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: As it was a circle? Right? Yeah, see how it works. 433 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: Look what God created for us. 434 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: Into those so called experts who say that this climate 435 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: change is having a detrimental impact on our health. Over 436 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: this whole period of uh industrialization, since we became industrialized 437 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: and turned to the nineteen hundreds, right the industrial revolution, 438 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: we started using fossil fuels, has life expectancy increased or decreased? Well? 439 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: Rhetorical question in many sectors, though it's decreased, and that's 440 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 3: because of overdoses. 441 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with climate change. Overall. 442 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: We live a hell of a lot longer than we 443 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: used to, so we do. And look, I'm part of 444 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: carbon dioxide. 445 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: And I'm for clean water, clean air. 446 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 3: You know, especially as the doctor, my goodness, we all 447 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 3: want that those are pollutant you're referring to. 448 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: I don't want lead in the water, I don't bercury, 449 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: I don't want you eating that stuff. But that has 450 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: nothing to do with what they're trying to eradicate, which 451 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: is again, I'm not a pollutant. We'll continue with Citizen 452 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: Brad Winster for a little out of time in this 453 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: segment seven thirty seven right now kr CE Talk Station, 454 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: Very happy Friday to you, former Congressman, Citizen Brad winsterrip, 455 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: Doctor brad winstermin Studio. Just kind of going through all 456 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: the issues that we can get in during this hour. 457 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: And you brought up but a rather unusual topic, but 458 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: what an amazing tragedy, what a horrific fire, the fire 459 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: in Hong Kong. You brought that up over the break. 460 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: You said you wanted to hit a point or two 461 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: to raise about that. 462 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 3: Well, you know, obviously extremely tragic situation. I mean, it 463 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 3: was a tremendous tragedy. If you've seen any of the 464 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: pictures and you know that people were trapped inside. 465 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: That fire, horrific. 466 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 3: It really looks like the Twin Towers on nine to eleven. Yeah, 467 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 3: and they may not have collapsed in the same way, 468 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: but just a horrific situation. 469 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 2: But what's amazing. 470 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 3: And I was in Hong Kong before the actual ultimate 471 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 3: takeover of. 472 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: Hong Kong July ninety seven. 473 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: Well that's when it was authorized that the fifty year Plan, 474 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 3: if you recall, but I was there before they came 475 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: in all the Chinese. The Chinese came in and said 476 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: we're now taking this over. So they were still somewhat autonomous, 477 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: but now they're not. 478 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: What was a source of massive revenue for the Chinese 479 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: Communist Party. They didn't want to touch it, but they 480 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: had to because it was inconsistent with their business vlosity. 481 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the world is changing too. I mean 482 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 3: you look at the world of finance. You know, you 483 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 3: used to say New York, London, Tokyo, Hong Kong, right, 484 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 3: Hong Kong, Yeah, right, It was part of it. Now 485 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 3: Hong Kong is just another Chinese city, and it's very 486 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: clear when you see what happened here. They established the 487 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 3: Office for Safeguarding National Security, which came out of the 488 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 3: Hong Kong National Security Law, which was brought out in 489 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, which is just China saying we're in charge here, 490 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 3: right and in this result of this fire, you know 491 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 3: we're normally here, you're looking at who's respons sponsible right 492 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 3: where we're going to go in and say and there'll 493 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 3: be all kinds of accusations or at least questions asked. 494 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 3: But there they officials accused international media organizations of spreading 495 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 3: false information and telling them literally on their website, they 496 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: warned for foreign correspondence, exercise self discipline, take care of yourselves, 497 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: and do not touch the legal red lines. In other words, 498 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 3: be careful what you say about anything that may indicate 499 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 3: that the government was not prepared for something like this 500 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 3: and had had some things wrong. 501 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: And the other thing that is, you. 502 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: Don't have free speech on the CCP exactly run the 503 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: risk of getting arrested or maybe being disappeared. And I 504 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: hate that word. If you don't do, if you don't 505 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: follow the line. 506 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 3: They were determined to eliminate any independent voices on this 507 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 3: that might question the official narrative. The other thing, Brian 508 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 3: is like NGOs and local community groups, normally they would 509 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 3: have coordinated for displaced residents and things like this, But 510 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 3: this Hong Kong is different now, and they're under one 511 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 3: one party rule obviously, and they treat any kind of 512 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: independent aid efforts with suspicion. So, you know, people in 513 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 3: this country need to know that when government has that 514 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 3: type of control, it's not a good thing. You think, well, 515 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 3: government can take care of it. 516 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: Well. FEMA has been criticized many times, but Joe Biden 517 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: politicized FEMA denied resources to the red state fill in 518 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: the blank. But everybody got all the money when they 519 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: lived in Blue states. FEMA's abuse. Thank you. You've got 520 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: organizations like Matthew twenty five ministries who independently can take 521 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: contributions and provide one hundred percent of those contributions where 522 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: it is needed. How about that? Yeah? 523 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 3: I love coexists. I love the work that they do. 524 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 3: Go visit them in Blue Ash see what they do. 525 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: It's a perfect example of what people can do on 526 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: their own. 527 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: Basically, exactly they and they do it. 528 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: But in this case in Hong Kong, I mean any 529 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: residents who took to social media to condemn either lax 530 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 3: enforcement or mismanagement or corruption involving the building inspections they 531 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 3: found themselves facing legal warnings or police visits, some things. 532 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,239 Speaker 1: Like that, Gee hold on, let's pause because we got 533 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: to take a break. But that sounds remarkably like the 534 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: European Union these days. Seven forty six will maybe get 535 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: a word or two in from Brad winsterp on that 536 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: after I mentioned Zimmer heating and air conditioning for and 537 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: thank you for sponsoring the school. Seven fifty here if 538 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: you have KCD talk station, Happy Friday. One more segment 539 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: with citizen Brad Weinster tomorrow after the top of the 540 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: own is Beverly Park Williams. She's a local author and 541 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: it's a really fascinating book about her her mom and 542 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: her mom's sister, Parallel and Separate, a tale of two 543 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: sisters separate, like really really young age I didn't even 544 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: know each other existed and grew up on opposite sides 545 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: of the city of Cincinnati, and how their lives were 546 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: impacted and the differences between the two should be fun, Brad, 547 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: real quick here, we've got a sort of a decaying 548 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: relationship with our NATO allies. I know Trump's made some 549 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: comments about them. They are EU pretty much full on socialists, 550 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: so they didn't even share our ideology at least what 551 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: these left of our capitalist ideology. But what they have 552 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: been proving day in and day out, Like the United Kingdom, 553 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 1: they prosecute people for what we would call free speech, 554 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: what I would say innocuous statements. Someone feels threatened, they 555 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: get prosecuted for it. There is no free speech. There 556 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: demonstrable difference between us and the freedoms we enjoy under 557 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: our constitution and what I would call oppression, oppression by 558 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: European governments against its own citizens. 559 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. I've seen some of those stories, Brian, and it's 560 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 3: just really amazing to me that this is actually taking place. 561 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: Only reason I bring it up, you. 562 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 3: Know, within our allies, even within our Five Eyes partners, 563 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 3: which would be Australia and New Zealand, But in the Brits, 564 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 3: I don't get it. I just don't understand it. You 565 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 3: know why people are so willing to accept this, those 566 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: that are in authority, I understand why they like it, 567 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: Oh sure, because this is their This goes to their elitism. 568 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: If you will, only their answer is the correct one. 569 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: You can't have an alternative, varying point of view. This 570 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: happened to the Biden administration with agents in Facebook having 571 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: offices established censoring what we were saying online. You know, 572 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: we have a right to free speech in this country, 573 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: and even negative offensive speech is protected. 574 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 3: People need to really look at what our founders put 575 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 3: in place and why they put it in place. It 576 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: makes complete sense. And look, we were no taxation without representation. 577 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 3: That was the thing, but it was even beyond that, 578 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 3: and now it's I think we've gone even further beyond 579 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 3: that in some instances. But to see it over in 580 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 3: Europe is really interesting. And I think that what you're 581 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 3: seeing from the Trump administration too, is a focus on 582 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 3: our hemisphere as much as anything. If you look at 583 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 3: where they are on defense posture, I think he's very 584 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 3: concerned about what's taking place in our hemisphere, which goes 585 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: back to Cuba having Russian missiles things like that. Right, 586 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 3: But we still, I think, you know, we can't ignore 587 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 3: the rest of the world, and the Trump has not 588 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 3: been doing that either. 589 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: I was pleased to see that. At least in so 590 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: far as the seizure of the Venezuelan oil tanker. They 591 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: got a warrant in court ahead of time, and they're 592 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: going to go through the proper legal channels to confiscate 593 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: the oil and keep it. They're going to have a 594 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: legal process for that. And that's the only concern I have, 595 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: And I know that anger a lot of listeners because 596 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm a constitutionalist. I believe in due process, and I'm 597 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: worried and concerned about not only the legality of but 598 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: the idea that a president might end up bringing us 599 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: into a war by launching missiles and things. But at 600 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: least in so far as the tanker is concerned, I 601 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: understand it's sanctioned. It's an illegal tanker in the sense 602 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: it was flying under a false flag. They got the 603 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: approval for the warrant and the boarding of the ship, 604 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: and they're going to go through that process. Now do 605 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: you think it's an appropriate thing? Because this is going 606 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: to regime change? This is the point of it. Oil 607 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: is what funds the entire Venezuela and govern at least 608 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: ninety percent of it. As I've read that one ship 609 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: apparently five percent of these social outlays in a month 610 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: with the money that we got from that ship, or 611 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: at least the value of that ship, are you in 612 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: agreement that we should engage in what is an obvious 613 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: effort to change the regime in Venezuela. 614 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 3: Well, there was an effort to change the regime in Venezuela. 615 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 3: It was called an election, true, but what happened after 616 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 3: the election It was stolen. It was stolen, it was 617 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 3: completely taken away. So that's that's a good piece of 618 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 3: the argument, because the people there made change by their vote. 619 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: And there's people at the radio screaming right now, going 620 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: our election was stolen back in right. 621 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure there are. 622 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 3: Beware, right, beware of this type of process taking place 623 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: anywhere anywhere where they're claiming to have free and fair elections. 624 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: Well, going back to unilateral bombing, I always say, you 625 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: know what if Canada decides that someone in our country 626 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 1: is a terrorist and they drop a bomb on him 627 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: and buys in a mall or whatever. If there were 628 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: outside countries that believe the twenty twenty election was stolen 629 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: or any other election, they're going to start engaging in 630 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: regime change here huh, hey, hey, listen, what's good for 631 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: the good for the gander. 632 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 3: As well, at least getting to the truth, Brian is 633 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 3: always the concern. And you know I always said, you know, 634 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 3: I'm sitting in Congress when all this is going on, like, 635 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 3: I really don't have a way to prove any of 636 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 3: this because it's up to the states that run the 637 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 3: elections to police their own and in Congress, you know, 638 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 3: what can you do? 639 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 2: It makes it very difficult. 640 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 3: But I am always in favor of getting to the truth, 641 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 3: no matter what the situation may be a good. 642 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,479 Speaker 2: Bad, or indifferent the truth. 643 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I went into the Russian collusion investigation. If 644 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 3: Trump did something wrong, we need to know because what 645 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 3: he didn't, they made it all up. 646 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: See going back to it, well, we always point the 647 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: finger at the evil doers in the Chinese Communist Party 648 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: or in North Korea or in Iran, and we can 649 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: look inwardly and see comparable, if not equally offensive conduct 650 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: and behavior. So got to mind our own ship or store. 651 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna end up losing it. It's been great seeing you, man, 652 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: hap Merry Christmas to you and your family with the 653 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: little kids in the house. I bet it's a real 654 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: exciting time over your house. 655 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: It is. 656 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 3: It is fun. I feel blessed that I have these 657 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 3: two kids. They're just a joy and you know their kids. 658 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, but it's just a great thing. 659 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 3: And then Christmas time is especially special. 660 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I miss those times. I'm happy with what I got, 661 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,959 Speaker 1: trust me, living my best life, but I really miss 662 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: the little kid a company. Maybe someday I'll get a grandchild. 663 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: Lauren Eric seven fifty seven, Brad, take care of my brother. 664 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,959 Speaker 1: It's great scene. You Merry Christmas and we'll talk again 665 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: coming up with the next year, I hope. 666 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, we always have more. Matter of fact, we 667 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 2: have more today, but. 668 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: We are just dreams of it. Stick around. We're gonna 669 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: hear from Beverly Park Williams with their new books. She's 670 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: a local author. Parallel and Separate After the 671 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 3: News, Today's top headlines coming