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Speaker 2: I want to open today's podcast by reminding you of

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Speaker 2: a lawsuit that was filed a few days ago. It's

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Speaker 2: gotten a fair amount of attention. The families of two

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Speaker 2: young people who committed suicide are suing chat GPT. Chat

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Speaker 2: GPT is by far the largest search engine premise on

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Speaker 2: artificial intelligence. The individuals who committed suicide have been asking

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Speaker 2: chat gpt about suicide and suicidal thoughts. Now, as I

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Speaker 2: say it's artificial intelligence, they call these things chatbots. In

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Speaker 2: other words, it's robotic, it's based on program I'm thinking.

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Speaker 2: And the response is that chat GPT gave them, didn't

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Speaker 2: do anything to talk to them out of suicide. It

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Speaker 2: essentially validated their suicidal thoughts. We understand why you feel

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Speaker 2: like this, etc. So lawsuits are being filed here that

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Speaker 2: rather than use common sense, chat GPT showed no sense whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: I'm going somewhere with this. Chat ept is based on

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Speaker 2: automated learning, all sort of sorts of inputting what are

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Speaker 2: we saying now to all the young people in our

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Speaker 2: society who are screwed up or delusional or have bad thoughts,

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Speaker 2: instead of knocking them into reality and telling them to

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Speaker 2: stop thinking this way, all we're doing is validating artificial

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Speaker 2: intelligence only knows what it's been told. There is a

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Speaker 2: story in the news right now that I think relates

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Speaker 2: Line believes service is essential, not an option. Morgan Geiser

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Speaker 2: has waived extradition. She's back in Wisconsin from Illinois. I'm

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Speaker 2: guessing that a lot of you have seen the video

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Speaker 2: cameras of the police officers down there. I'm assuming you've

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Speaker 2: seen it right. Yeah, everybody's seen. This is a young

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Speaker 2: woman now twenty three, who about a decade ago, talked

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Speaker 2: idea was to kill the classmate. Less than that, actually

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Speaker 2: kill the classmate to please this slender bad somebody that

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Speaker 2: Until a few months ago, Morgan Geyser has been in

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Speaker 2: a statemental facility. That's where she's been sentenced. A judge

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Speaker 2: She had been in a halfway house in Madison wearing

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Speaker 2: what happened. She met somebody even more screwed up than her,

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Speaker 2: apparently at a church. The guy's name is Chad Mecca.

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Speaker 2: She was dabbling in that herself. At one of her

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Speaker 2: murder or anything like that. Well, in fact, it was

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Speaker 2: almost murder. It was attempted murder. And she kept saying

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Speaker 2: What kind of treatment has Megan more guys are been

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Speaker 2: Every odd selection and choice she was making was probably

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Speaker 2: I guess, still a girl in her own mind. I

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Speaker 2: There's no real plan, there's no money. She just decides

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Speaker 2: What guidance did she get at home? Now? I get that, okay,

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Speaker 2: You're raising a murderer. Has anybody at any point in

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Speaker 2: Morgan Geyser's life tried to straighten her out by redirecting

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Speaker 2: the misfits have now validated their misfitness. There's nothing wrong.

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Speaker 2: I'm okay, you're okay. Well you're not okay. You're miserably

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Speaker 2: more screwed up than the people that they're treating. I

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Speaker 2: think Morgan Geyser has been victimized by bad guidance her

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Speaker 2: probably still dangerous because she's not tethered to any reality.

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Speaker 2: But I can't honestly say it's her own fault. When

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Speaker 2: a nice, mixed up kid who finally found somebody that

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Speaker 2: can't live in a world in which we try to

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Speaker 2: put every round circle into a square box. But there

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Speaker 2: think the people at Winnebago have done. Morgan, guys are

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Speaker 2: How could we even say that that's her fault. Imagine

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Speaker 2: do to redirect her? We know this, there's probably not

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Speaker 2: We do know that she went to a church in

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Speaker 2: Everybody on the left considers us bigots if we try

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Speaker 2: being told no, you're a guy, decides that he's a woman.

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Speaker 2: Figured maybe I'll be happier as a woman because I'm

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Speaker 2: completely miserably unhappy, can't find anybody to connect with. So

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Speaker 2: Who are we helping with all of this, I'll contend nobody.

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Speaker 2: I want to move to another story that I find related.

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Speaker 2: I've had an opinion for years, and I love this one.

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Speaker 2: You know, people like me will have these opinions based

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Speaker 2: on anecdotal eleven are quack. You don't know anything about this,

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Speaker 2: and then years later you start to see the consensus

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Speaker 2: moving around in that direction. This is a major story

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Speaker 2: that appeared earlier in the week in the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 2: When I say major, it goes on and on and

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Speaker 2: Susie Wiles, who was his campaign manager, is clearly and

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Speaker 2: you saw when she was in the champaign. Susie Wiles

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Speaker 2: is the person that tried to keep Trump focused. And

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Susie Wills right now was the one that

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Speaker 2: is trying to keep all the mega types away from Trump.

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Speaker 2: I talk a lot about how Trump is his own

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Speaker 2: good cop, bad cop and dealing with others, but in

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Speaker 2: terms of his own staff, he needs a chief of

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Speaker 2: staff who's going to be the bad cop. Many people feel, however,

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Speaker 2: that Trump and I recall the same thing happened with

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Speaker 2: Reagan's a saying in the Reagan administration, Let Reagan be Reagan.

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Speaker 2: Reagan had two sets of advisors in his administration. He

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Speaker 2: had kind of the true believer, a true believer California

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Speaker 2: conservatives who came with him, and then he had the

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Speaker 2: pragmatic James Baker types who were more traditional Republicans, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of conservatives are frustrated that Reagan was wandering

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Speaker 2: off too much into the middle and into the pragmatic

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Speaker 2: because he was listening to these old school of Washington advisors.

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Speaker 2: My own opinion is the chief of staff a chief

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Speaker 2: of staff that Trump hass has to block off both sides.

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Speaker 2: You don't want him going all Washington. On the other hand,

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Speaker 2: you don't want him to go all Marjorie Taylor Green.

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Speaker 2: We still do have a country to run. I listen

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Speaker 2: to some of the things that Tucker Carlson says, and

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Speaker 2: I think that he's lost his marbles. Trump spending too

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Speaker 2: much time on foreign policy. What he's supposed to let

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Speaker 2: the world go to hell. There's no reason why you

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Speaker 2: can't do both. What We're not better off if there's

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Speaker 2: a peace deal in the Middle East, we're not better off.

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Speaker 2: If he can finally bring peace to Ukraine and Russia,

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Speaker 2: of course we're better off. And it certainly affects us.

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Speaker 2: A world going to hell affects us badly. So you've

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Speaker 2: got Trump in here, who I think is just hell

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Speaker 2: bent on being a successful president, and he realizes that

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Speaker 2: some things you can't always be stridently ideological on because

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Speaker 2: as I said earlier, it does depend We have tens

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Speaker 2: of millions of Americans who know how to play computer

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Speaker 2: video games that don't have a clue as to how

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Speaker 2: to do software coding. The shortages in that field are incredible.

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Speaker 2: Walk past one of the big downtown Milwaukee higher office

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Speaker 2: high rises. You know who works on the hi rise?

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Speaker 2: To the tech people?

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Speaker 3: Do?

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Speaker 2: I mean? I live near Northwestern Mutual. You can't tell

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Speaker 2: everybody's ethnicity from them walking down the street, but it

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Speaker 2: surely looks like a lot of people from India are there.

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Speaker 2: Why are they hiring people from India? Who else is

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Speaker 2: going to do all of these jobs? All the people

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Speaker 2: that have three hundred thousand dollars in student loan debt

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Speaker 2: while they're running around with their English literature major, they're

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Speaker 2: social work majors? Or are they just flunked out and

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Speaker 2: they're not trained at anything. Let me turn my attention

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Speaker 2: to the Democratic lawmakers that are encouraging American troops to

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Speaker 2: disobey illegal orders. The FBI is now beginning a criminal

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Speaker 2: investigation into this couple of things with regard to this story.

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Speaker 2: I know what they're up to the Left is trying

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Speaker 2: to sow chaos in this country. You can't have the

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Speaker 2: military not follow the order of the president. You can't

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Speaker 2: have the military not follow any orders. There is a

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Speaker 2: law in this country, or at least a standard, that

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Speaker 2: the troops are not to follow illegal orders. This is

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Speaker 2: tested during the Mayli massacre and other things. What illegal

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Speaker 2: orders did the six Democrats refer to? They didn't say.

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Speaker 2: The reason they didn't say is Trump hasn't issued any

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Speaker 2: illegal orders. Unless the Supreme Court rules that something can't

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Speaker 2: be done, the order is perceived to be legal. Some

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Speaker 2: interesting comments extended threads on social media from Pete Heg Sith,

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Speaker 2: the Secretary of Defense. Get that here first, it's in

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Speaker 2: the Department of War, of course, Haig Sith is the Secretary.

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Speaker 2: The Department of War has received serious allegations of misconducting

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Speaker 2: against Captain Mark Kelly. Kelly is the Senator from Arizona.

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Speaker 2: But he's a retired naval officer. By the way, retire

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean you can do whatever you want, as they'll

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Speaker 2: point out, in accordance with the Uniform Code of Military

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Speaker 2: Justice and then it mentions the Codecitation number and other

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Speaker 2: applicable regulations. A thorough review of these allegations has been

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Speaker 2: initiated to determine further actions which may include recall to

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Speaker 2: active duty for court martial proceedings or administrative measures. This

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Speaker 2: matter will be handled in compliance with my military law,

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Speaker 2: insuring due process and impartiality. Further official comments will be

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Speaker 2: limited to preserve the integrity of the proceedings. Then from

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Speaker 2: Hegsas the video made by the seditious Sex was despicable, reckless,

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Speaker 2: and false. Encouraging our warriors to ignore the orders of

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Speaker 2: their commanders undermines every aspect of good order and discipline.

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Speaker 2: Their foolish screen shows doubt and confusion, which only puts

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Speaker 2: our warriors in danger. Five of the six individuals in

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Speaker 2: that video do not fall under the Department of War jurisdiction. Kelly,

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Speaker 2: of course does as announced. The Department is reviewing his

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Speaker 2: statements and actions, which were addressed directly to all troops

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Speaker 2: while explicitly using his rank and service affiliation, lending the

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Speaker 2: appearance of authority to his words. Kelly's conduct brings this

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Speaker 2: credit upon the armed forces and will be addressed appropriately.

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Speaker 2: And then a day later from Hesith the despicable video

522
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Speaker 2: ordering telling troops to refuse illegal orders may seem harmless

523
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Speaker 2: to civilians, but it carries a different weight inside the military.

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Speaker 2: This was a politically motivated influence operation. It never named

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Speaker 2: a specific illegal order. It created ambiguity rather than clarity.

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Speaker 2: It used carefully scripted, legal sounding language. It subtly reformed

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Speaker 2: military obedience around partisan distrust instead of established legal processes.

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Speaker 2: In the military. Vague rhetoric and ambiguity undermines trust, creates

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Speaker 2: hesitation in the chain of command, and erodes cohesion. The

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Speaker 2: military already has clear procedures for handling unlawful orders. It

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Speaker 2: does not need political actors injecting doubt into an already

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Speaker 2: clear chain of command. As veterans of various sorts, the

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00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: seditious six knew exactly what they were doing, so in

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00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: doubt through a politically motivated influence operation. I want you

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Speaker 2: to imagine for a moment during the eight years of

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Speaker 2: Obama in which all sorts of controversial foreign policy actions

537
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Speaker 2: were taken. Can you imagine if people on the right

538
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Speaker 2: urged individuals in the military to disobey orders, you would

539
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Speaker 2: never have heard the end of it. Everybody knows that

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Speaker 2: Trump is the commander in chief, and everybody knows that

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Speaker 2: the commander in chief has broad discretion in the use

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Speaker 2: of the American milistic in the what the left has

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Speaker 2: never accepted is Trump's legitimacy. By now taking this to

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Speaker 2: the military, they have the potential of upsetting the entire

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Speaker 2: apple cart. If the military doesn't have chain of command

546
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Speaker 2: where you have to do what you're told, we don't

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Speaker 2: have a military. Can you imagine on D Day if

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Speaker 2: people have the notion that you can question orders. One

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Speaker 2: other point that I want to make, there's this constant

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Speaker 2: from the left changing of the subject or the things

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Speaker 2: that they go after Trump on, in part because nothing

552
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: ever sticks. It's this, then it's that, then it's the

553
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Speaker 2: other thing, and then it's off to this, and now

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Speaker 2: we're going to go after the military and tell them

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Speaker 2: to disobey orders. It doesn't stop, but it has the

556
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: cumulative effect of creating unnecessary chaos. None of it is

557
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 2: aimed at addressing actual problems. In the meantime, the actual,

558
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: most grotesque disobedience of orders is when Joe Biden's administration

559
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: for four years refused to enforce the law and allowed

560
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: individuals by the millions to come into the country illegally.

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Speaker 2: That was the mass ignoring of orders at ignoring of

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Speaker 2: the law, and that was done by Democrats who continue

563
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Speaker 2: to argue that Biden had the discretion to do whatever

564
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Speaker 2: it is that he wanted, and that's an instance in

565
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: which we clearly know what the law was. You can't

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Speaker 2: come into the United States illegally, and they allowed people

567
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Speaker 2: and mass to do it. Best case scenario, they told

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Speaker 2: him to show up for hearing that would be scheduled

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Speaker 2: ninety seven years from now. I know it's only Wednesday

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Speaker 2: that they were releasing the podcast, but the football weekend

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Speaker 2: starts early, so we're going to do our weekly football

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Speaker 2: preview and points spread picks next on the Markedelling podcast.

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Speaker 2: This is the podcast. We're doing our weekly football preview

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Speaker 2: and points spread picks a little bit earlier in the

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Speaker 2: midwek podcast because of the Thanksgiving week. The Packers play

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Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving Day and so on. I'm joined by Mike

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Speaker 2: marlettef American Sports Analysts in Madison asawins dot com. Normally

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Speaker 2: you'll tell me it's too early in the week to

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Speaker 2: know what's going on, but with Thanksgiving week and three

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Speaker 2: NFL games tomorrow, maybe you do have a handle on

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Speaker 2: what's going on with ASA. Is there anything you'd like

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Speaker 2: to share with the audience, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well I will Mark. They can go to our website

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Speaker 3: ASA wins dot com and we have a special to

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Speaker 3: our listeners to this weekend if they want to get

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Speaker 3: That's everything for the weekend, including the possibility of our

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Speaker 3: college Game of the Year on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wow, And I want to applaud you for not

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Speaker 2: putting the words black Friday into this deal. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I swear everything the whole month has been Black Friday,

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Speaker 2: Black Friday, Black Friday. I'm sick of Black Friday. And

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Speaker 2: some first of all college football for this weekend. Let's

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Speaker 2: start with Minnesota and Wisconsin, which has suddenly become a

602
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: really interesting game. The Badgers have turned their season around.

603
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: They've now beaten two ranked teams in the last three weeks.

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Speaker 2: Their defense is as good as any in the country.

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Speaker 2: The fans have now made it a habit of running

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Speaker 2: the field. I guess that's what happens when you start

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Speaker 2: so terrible. At the beginning of the year. They play Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: which is a traditional rivalry game. They play for the axe,

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Speaker 2: you know, Wisconsin and one that acts a zillion years

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Speaker 2: in a row. Minnesota has had it for two seasons

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Speaker 2: in a row. Luke Fickel has never When I watched

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Speaker 2: the end of the Wisconsin Illinois game, a game in

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Speaker 2: which Wisconsin just dominated Illinois defensively and played well enough

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Speaker 2: on offense, I just thought, let down, they're going to

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Speaker 2: phone it in against Minnesota. But Wisconsin does have something

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Speaker 2: to play for here, given you know that that ax

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Speaker 2: is a big thing, they do seem emotionally have turned

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Speaker 2: the corner. But Minnesota is a pretty good team. Give

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Speaker 2: you give me your thoughts on this game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is an interesting matchup. First of all, like

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Speaker 3: you said, Minnesota's won as of recent They've won three

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Speaker 3: or the last four years. Prior to that, Wisconsin had

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Speaker 3: won sixteen of the previous seventeen years, so they had

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Speaker 3: dominated for well.

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Speaker 2: I had said that they can just keep the ax

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Speaker 2: in Madison, but that's finally turned around a bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and even in Minnesota. Wisconsin's won nine in the

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Speaker 3: last ten meetings in Minnesota, so they've even been successful

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Speaker 3: in Minnesota. Lowest total on the board in college football

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Speaker 3: this week thirty seven and a half LSU. Oklahoma's close again.

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Speaker 3: Two really good defenses, too bad offenses. Basically, in this situation,

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Speaker 3: I really wish for Wisconsin's sake this game was being

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Speaker 3: played in Madison, because Minnesota's got one of the most

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Speaker 3: drastic home road dichotomies in the country. They're six and

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Speaker 3: zero at home. They've won by an average of eight

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Speaker 3: points per game at home. They're zero to four on

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Speaker 3: the road and lost man average of twenty five points

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Speaker 3: per game on the road. They're just a bad road team.

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Speaker 3: Interesting thing in this game, Mark the line opened three

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Speaker 3: two and a half Minnesota and it got knocked down

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Speaker 3: to one and a half. So the money coming in

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Speaker 3: on Wisconsin in this game, and there's an outside outside chance.

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Speaker 3: So Wisconsin wins this game, they could go to a

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Speaker 3: bowl game. I don't think it's gonna happen, but they

645
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: they go down to five and seventeams. If there's not

646
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: enough six.

647
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they're not enough six and six, they grab

648
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: five and seven teams in Wisconsin, ending strong could get

649
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: one of them. End. You know, those lesser bawls become

650
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: so goofed up because guys go into the transfer portal

651
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: and you don't know who's gonna play, and half the

652
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: coaches are gone. But Luke Fikel did say, if we're

653
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 2: invited to, we're gonna go. We're never going to turn

654
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: out a chance to play a game. I think it's unlikely.

655
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: But more important than that is if they can win

656
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: the season by beating Minnesota. You can't say that it's

657
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: a successful season, but you can certainly say that the

658
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: second half of the season ended on a major upnoe.

659
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: I think Wisconsin turned the season around in a loss

660
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: when they went to Oregon and held Oregon to twenty

661
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 2: eight points twenty one for most of the game. I

662
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: thought that that was the turnaround for their season and

663
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: the game against Illinois. Illinois has a really good offense

664
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: and a good quarterback and they were just overwhelmed by

665
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: Wisconsin's defense, including you know, a senior lineman Peterson, who

666
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: had not shown much all season was just dominant. They

667
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: got one of their linebackers back to other linebackers real quickly.

668
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: Have you heard whether or not Mason Posea, the superstar

669
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: freshman linebacker, will play. He got knocked out at the

670
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: end of the Illinois game. He's a really important key

671
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: to Wisconsin.

672
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they don't know. As as of earlier today,

673
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: it's still questionable. I might be a game time thing,

674
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 3: So as of now, I don't know, but there is

675
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: a chance he's gonna play.

676
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: In that game. Now, let's turn our attention to Ohio

677
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: State Michigan. This is another game that's about as interesting

678
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: as it gets. Ohio State is either the best or

679
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: the second best team in the country. Indiana's right up there.

680
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: I guess with them. Ohio State won the national championship

681
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: last year. They have killed everybody they played. I think

682
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: their closest game was Week one against Texas and that

683
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: was fourteen to seven, but that was a dominant fourteen

684
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: to seven. They've slaughtered everybody. Michigan this year does not

685
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: have much of an offense at all, decent defense, but

686
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: you have this Michigan. Since Ryan Day has been the

687
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: coach of Ohio State, Michigan has Ohio State's number. Last year,

688
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: when Ohio State won the National championship, they lost at

689
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: home to Michigan, and the Ohio State I swear they

690
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: still wanted to fire Ryan Day even though they won

691
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: a national championship. I mean, it's just the most bizizre

692
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: thing in a weirdo fact with these Ohio State fans

693
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: that they seem to care more about winning this game

694
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: and whether or not they won a national championship. Ohio

695
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: State's favorite in the game by ten points because they're

696
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: way better, but it's at Michigan, and Ohio State has

697
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 2: had a just incredibly difficult time beating Michigan even when

698
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: they're better. But you know that's the past, and part

699
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: of me thinks that becomes the motivation is really on

700
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 2: the side of Ohio State. I mean, they've been thinking

701
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: about this game for a clear year after what happened

702
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: last year. They're the way better team. Part of me

703
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: thinks that they could go into Michigan and get this

704
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: monkey off their back and really smoke them and hit

705
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: into the game next week with against Indiana. What do

706
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 2: you think.

707
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 3: There's a couple things on this game. First of all,

708
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: like you mentioned Michigan's won four games in a row

709
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: against Ohio State, and they've outscored Ohio State by forty

710
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: six points in those four games. Yet they've been an

711
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 3: underdog in three of those four games, so they've really

712
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 3: Last year they were eighteen point underdog and won the

713
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: game and mission and Ohio State was playing to the

714
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: Big Ten championship game. The one thing that worries me

715
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 3: a little bit about Ohio State you mentioned it, They've

716
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 3: had zero adversity this year in the Big Ten. They've

717
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 3: won every game by eighteen points or more. What happens

718
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: if this game's a seven point three point game in

719
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter. They haven't had any of that this year.

720
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 3: None of it. Might get a little tight in that situation.

721
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: They played an easy Big Ten schedule. The last four

722
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: teams mark are seven and twenty five combined in the

723
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: Big Ten. There are three good wins in the Big

724
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: Ten were Illinois, who's not very good, Minnesota who's not

725
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: very good, in Washington, so they haven't played a great

726
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 3: situation as far as the Big Ten goes. Another thing here,

727
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: if we want to just quickly look at the Big

728
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 3: Ten championship scenarios, same situation last year Ohio Ohio State's

729
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. If they lose this game, it doesn't matter.

730
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they wouldn't want to win this game,

731
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 3: but they're in no matter what. Then they don't have

732
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: to play in the Big Ten Championship game. That happened

733
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: last year and they went on to win the national championship.

734
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 3: Michigan's only chance to be in the playoffs is to

735
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: win this game, and then they probably got to win

736
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: the Big Ten ship.

737
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: If Ohio State loses, they missed the tiebreaker and they're

738
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: not in the title game. Correct or Nope, So it

739
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: would be Indiana versus Oregon.

740
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: Maybe it would be so if Ohio State loses and

741
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: Oregon wins, it would be Indiana Oregon. If Ohio State

742
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: loses and Washington beats Oregon, then it's Michigan Indiana in

743
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: the champions So Michigan's still has a chance to make

744
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 3: the Big Ten Championship and they have to win this

745
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 3: game to have a chance at the playoffs. Great game.

746
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: The line actually dropped. It opened eleven eleven and a

747
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: half down to ten, So they've had some money coming

748
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: in on Michigan, probably just because of what's happened in

749
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 3: the last four seasons.

750
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 2: I want to turn my attention to another thing that's

751
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: going on. First of all, the college football calendar is

752
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: all screwed up. Sports. You college sports aren't now pro sports,

753
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: but in other sports, free agency begins, coaching changes occur

754
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: at the end of the season. In baseball, you can't

755
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: sign a team's free agent until after the World Series

756
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: is over. But in football, the transfer portal opens before

757
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: the playoff games and before the ball games are played.

758
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: And with so many teams firing coaches, there are no

759
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: coaches that are jumping to other jobs before the season

760
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: is over. The most bizarre case of all is Mississippi.

761
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: Mississippi is almost certainly going to be in the college

762
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 2: football playoffs. They play their art rival Mississippi State this weekend.

763
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: Their coach, Lane Kiffen is apparently going to quit before

764
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: they play a playoff game. He's rumored to be up

765
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: for the LSU job, the Florida job, He's openly courting

766
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: all of these other schools. The school itself has said,

767
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: we'll make an announcement after this game. I think Mississippi

768
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: is fed up with it and would just as soon

769
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: get him out of there. It's just unheard of that

770
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: a coach would leave. Well, they're still alive for a

771
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: national championship. What do you make of all of this?

772
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: That's crazy situation. First, first of all, that the NCAA

773
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: did a little bit to change the transfer so the

774
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: transfer portal doesn't officially open un till January second this year.

775
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: But the transfer portal say, yeah, it's.

776
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: Been going on during the season. I mean, that's that's

777
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,959
Speaker 3: the way it is. But yeah, interesting situation. Egg Bowl,

778
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 3: huge game. Mississippi State would like nothing better to beat

779
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: Ole Miss and Mississippi State if they win, they go

780
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: to a bowl game. If they lose and they don't,

781
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: so that's a huge game for Mississippi State Ole Miss

782
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: with distractions. I mean, if you look at the odds

783
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: in Vegas right now, the chances of him coming back

784
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 3: to Ole Miss aren't good. They're six to one. He's

785
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: a favorite minus two hundred, which means you'd have to

786
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 3: lay two hundred to win one hundred if you bet

787
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: on him being the next LSU head coach. So there's

788
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: a good chance he'll be the LSU head coach and

789
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 3: leave before the chance before the playoffs, which is like

790
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: you said, it's unheard of.

791
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: I don't even know capable of higher a coach that

792
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: isn't a drama queen. I mean, you had Brian Kelly,

793
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: you had ed Ojeron, who's half nuts. Before you had that,

794
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: you had less miles, And now they're going to go

795
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: to Lane Kiffen, who he could just as easily go

796
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: jump to another. I mean, when people start griping at

797
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: college players for hitting the transfer portal and not showing loyalty,

798
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: give me a break. You have coaches that are willing

799
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: to walk out on their team in the middle of

800
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: a season when they're chasing a national championship. I mean,

801
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: and if Kiffen does take the job at LSU, there's

802
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: no way he's going to stick around and coach Mississippi

803
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: for five weeks. I mean, Mississippi needs for recruit It's

804
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: just a mess, And I don't know. The problem in

805
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 2: college boards is it's not a league like the NFL

806
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 2: or Major League Baseball. The NCAA only has limited rulemaking powers,

807
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: and these schools can do pretty much what they want,

808
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: and they're all in competition with one another and total mess.

809
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: Let's turt our attention to the NFL. I think the

810
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 2: most interesting game of the weekend is the very very

811
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: first game, the early Thanksgiving game, in which the Packers

812
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: play the Lions. It's in Detroit, it's on a short week,

813
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: but the Packers come into the game off of one

814
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 2: of their most impressive wins of the season. The Lions

815
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 2: come into the game off of a very unimpressive win

816
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: over the Giants, a game that they may well have lost.

817
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: Detroit's record on these Thanksgiving games, I think over the years,

818
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 2: is it all that good Packers won earlier in the season.

819
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: What do you I don't know what to think about

820
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: the Packers and the Lions. I think the Lions are

821
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: a slight favorite, which makes sense to me, even I'm

822
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: not sure. What do you think?

823
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, the line opened three and dropped off the key

824
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 3: number to two and a half. The Lions are faired

825
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: by two and a half. Right now, Let's face it,

826
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 3: neither team's playing great. I mean they're both two and

827
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 3: two of their last four games. Green Bay beat the

828
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: Giants in Minnesota during that stretch. Detroit's two and two

829
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: of their last four games. They lost to Minnesota at home.

830
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 3: Should have lost last weekend home to the Giants, so

831
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 3: they're not playing that well either. You mentioned Minnesota on Thanksgiving.

832
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people just think they're good

833
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 3: on Thanksgiving. Detroita thanks one, yeah, oh sorry, you try.

834
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: And Thanksgiving they're one and seven the last eight years

835
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: on Thanksgiving, and if you go back twenty years, they're

836
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: five and fifteen on Thanksgiving.

837
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: It's so colored intuit if you think a short week

838
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: in the early game that having that home field would

839
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 2: be an advantage. Though some of those years Detroit wasn't

840
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: any good, but in recent years they've been very good,

841
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: and they lose that game all the time. And the

842
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: Packers have won that game a few times over the years,

843
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: they've lost it. They've played Detroit of this game many

844
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: times down through the years. Famously, I think it was

845
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty two the only loss the Packers had

846
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 2: the entire season was on Thanksgiving Day to the Lions.

847
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: That was probably Vince Lombardi's best team. Brings back some

848
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: history in the game. So I think it's toss up.

849
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: Is that where you're you're coming down?

850
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 3: Yeah? The line came out three, which is basically say

851
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: both teams are even and they get a three point advantage.

852
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: At home.

853
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 3: That's what I think. I think that's where it is.

854
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 3: I'd probably favor Detroit a little bit at two and

855
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: a half, but they're just not playing that well. The

856
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 3: situation favors Detroit if green Bay this is there. It's

857
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: a short week on the road. This is green Bay's

858
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: fourth game in seventeen days, so basically a game every

859
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 3: four days, whereas Detroit's fourth game in twenty two days

860
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 3: and they're at home. I'd lean Detroit, but it's probably

861
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: a game we're not going to use. I don't think

862
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 3: Detroit's playing that well right now, so we'll probably lay

863
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 3: off it.

864
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 2: Bears and the Eagles, that's the other game I want

865
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: to talk about. Two really interesting teams. The Eagles some

866
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 2: weeks look really really really good other weeks not the Bears.

867
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if everybody's aware of this, but this

868
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: blows my mind. The Bears are eight and three, but

869
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 2: they've been outscored on the season. That is almost impossible.

870
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: That means they've lost the three games that they've lost

871
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: by more combined than the total win margin in the

872
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: eight games that they've won. They you know, they did

873
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: it again last week. They beat Pittsburgh in a close game.

874
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: They would all these close games they come from behind.

875
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: They now have to go on the road playing the

876
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: Eagles in an important game for Philadelphia. Philadelphia's defense has

877
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: been very good, the offense has been inconsistent. The Eagles

878
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: are favored by a lot of points. Given that the

879
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: Bears have the better record of the game. I think

880
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: almost everybody thinks this is the week that the Bears

881
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: get smoked.

882
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 3: Do you well, it's an interesting situation. Well, you mentioned

883
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: the Bears. They have a negative point differential and a

884
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 3: negative yards per play differential and they're the number three

885
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: seed right now in the NFC.

886
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 2: Paul says that they're both eight and three. I thought

887
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 2: that Philadelphia had was one last poor.

888
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: But they have the same record anyway, eight and three,

889
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: and Philadelphia is the number two seed and they're getting

890
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: out gained of the season. Only have a thirty point

891
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 3: plus thirty point point differential. That's eleventh in the NFL.

892
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: So both teams are kind of weird in that situation.

893
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 3: The Eagles are, you know, that's a scary game for

894
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: the Bear. The Eagles were up twenty one to zip

895
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 3: last week on the Cowboys and lost, so that's a

896
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: this is a big game for them. Bears finally won

897
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 3: a game where they weren't dominant turnover margin. It was

898
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: an even turnover margin last week against the Steelers, and

899
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: they won.

900
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: Finally.

901
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: Here's what the odds makers think of these teams. Mark

902
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 3: First of all, Chicago's eight and three. They've been an

903
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 3: underdog in seven of their eleven games this season, and

904
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: they're eight and three. They've never been favored by more

905
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 3: than four and a half points the entire season. The

906
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: Eagles are also eight and three, and they've been a

907
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 3: favorite in every game except Green Bay. So the odds

908
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 3: makers obviously think the Eagles are much better, which is

909
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 3: why the line's seven in this game. If you look

910
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 3: at the playoff picture right now again, Eagles are two

911
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 3: in the NFC, Bears are three. Whoever wins this game

912
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: is number two and the losers number three. If it

913
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 3: ended right now today, the Packers would go to Chicago

914
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: in the first round of the playoffs and the Lions

915
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 3: would be out of the playoffs.

916
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: So they play the Bears three times in about seven weeks.

917
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: If that this is going to just shake up a lot.

918
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: There are so many divisional games backloaded in the schedule

919
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 2: and so on. Okay, that's a little football preview. We're

920
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: now going to get some points spread picks.

921
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 3: And I.

922
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: Managed last week to not lose for the first time

923
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: in five weeks. They didn't win either. I got fortunately,

924
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 2: got a good line in the Arizona Jacksonville game. I

925
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 2: took the Cardinals getting three points and they lost by three.

926
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: Let's see. I like Mike's pick of Hawaii over UNLV.

927
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: They were a three point underdog and they got smoked

928
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: by twenty eight points. And Paul was fortunate enough he

929
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: got a good line too. That was the Bears over

930
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: the Steelers. The Bears won the game by three points.

931
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: They were favored at the time we did our show

932
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: by two and a half. So he got to win.

933
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 2: Football games of course, start on Thanksgiving Day. For those

934
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 2: of you who listen to the podcast after the fact,

935
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 2: we're doing this one on the Wednesday of Thanksgiving week. Paul,

936
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: you get to go first. He wants to go both

937
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 2: the over under and the point spread on the Bears

938
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: and the Eagles. Let's see here. Yeah, and I didn't

939
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: mention the Bears and the Eagles play on Friday. Yeah,

940
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: it is weird and it's just part of the NFL

941
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: screwing with college football. There's a zillion college football games.

942
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: The NFL just wants to play a game every week.

943
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: That's the whole thing that they've got going. The Eagles

944
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: are favored by seven and the total is forty four

945
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: and a half. Paul's taking the Bears. I just don't know,

946
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: which is why one of the reasons I brought it

947
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 2: up with Mike. I don't Paul thinks the Bears are better. Well,

948
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: I mean the Eagles coach is a super Bowl winner.

949
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 2: I mean, well last year he didn't he didn't want

950
00:56:53,480 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: his brain fell out in the off season. Yeah, Paul says,

951
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: they're always in the games at the end. Yeah, I

952
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: just it. The Bears are a tough team for me

953
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 2: to analyze. Usually teams in the situation like this losing

954
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: point differential despite an eighty three record, it just catches

955
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: up with you and you crushed down the stretch. But

956
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: the year that the Bears went to the Super Bowl,

957
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: the year that Devin Hester ran the kickback against the coast,

958
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: it was all year. It just never stopped until after

959
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: that kickoff return in the Super Bowl. On the other end,

960
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: if you look at the numbers. Philadelphia's offense is ranked

961
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: low and their defense is ranked low. But visually when

962
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: I see them play, they look very good. And as

963
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: Mike said, for two and a half quarters, they just

964
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: were dominant of Dallas. I just don't know. I don't

965
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: know that we need to go to Mike for an

966
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: analysis because we just talked about that game in some depth.

967
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 2: So let's get a point spread pick for Mike. Which

968
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: game or games do you want to hear about.

969
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 3: Let's start in college. I'm to look at the UAB

970
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: Tulsa game to start. That's number three eighty nine, three ninety.

971
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

972
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: I already know who you're gonna pick. Let's see three

973
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: eighty nine, three ninety. That game is at Tulsa. Tulsa

974
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: is favored by eight and a half over UAB. That's

975
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: in the American Association Conference.

976
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't like land points the teams that aren't great,

977
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: but I'm taking Tulison there.

978
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on that. Tulsa the end

979
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: of the season, they're not any good, but they've ended

980
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: the season well. UAB got rid of trend dil for

981
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: earlier in the season. He's the worst coach in college football.

982
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: I think, and I'm guessing this is what you're gonna

983
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: go on. Tulsa now has something to play for. They

984
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: feel good about themselves, and UAB is in a mess.

985
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: The whole team's going to hit the portal, the coaches

986
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 2: that are there are all going to leave, and and

987
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: Tulsa has some momentument you had be's defense and just

988
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: their atrocious I hope I didn't steal all your points

989
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: because I know you'll have a lot more.

990
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 3: No, you you hit on some of them. But you're right.

991
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 3: I mean UAB has lost seven of the last eight games.

992
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 3: The only one they won was the weekend after they

993
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 3: fired Trent del for which happens a lot.

994
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: It does happen a lot. It's weird, but it happens

995
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 2: a lot.

996
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 3: It's weird NFL and college just it happens. I don't

997
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 3: know why it happens when it happens. So you got

998
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: to keep that in mind. So they're not playing well.

999
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: They just play back to back home games and lost.

1000
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 3: It's a meaningless road game for them. Like you said,

1001
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 3: Tulsa now beat Oregon State at home handily. They want

1002
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: at Army last week, which is pretty impressive. So they're

1003
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: playing well, and the UAB team is in there in disarray.

1004
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw. I mean they had

1005
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 3: a guy on their team, a defensive lineman, stabbed two teammates.

1006
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, they a guy tried to kill two of his

1007
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 2: teammates before the game, and they didn't even usually like

1008
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: you'll cancel the game. They just went ahead and played

1009
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: the game. Dissension. I've never heard of somebody trying to

1010
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: kill two of his teammates on game day.

1011
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 3: I mean, he's charged with attempted murder. He's on the team.

1012
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 3: And they considered not playing their home game last week

1013
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 3: again USF. They lost by thirty, but they decided to

1014
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 3: play it because the two players are in stable condition.

1015
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 3: The two players that he stabbed aren't going to.

1016
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: Die so well in the school, didn't want to give

1017
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: up the revenue because the game was not going to

1018
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: be replayed, and so on. I mean, you're you're right.

1019
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: They are a mess. The problem, of course, is that

1020
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: tuls is not that good, but you but they they

1021
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: have improved. They played two pretty good games in a

1022
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 2: didn't They just upset someone last week? Last week at Army,

1023
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: which is a tough place to win, and they put

1024
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: up some points, and Army's defense is pretty good. So

1025
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: I don't even know who Telsea's coaches, but it looks

1026
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: like he's turning the program around over there. Who is

1027
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: their coach?

1028
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 3: You know, I can't think of it off the top

1029
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 3: of my head, No, Richardson, I can't.

1030
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 2: All Right, weird game that I'm not going to use

1031
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: is my pick. But you don't see this often. We've

1032
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: got a college football game this year in which the

1033
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: teams are playing for a second time. The reason for

1034
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 2: that is there's one conference. It has only two teams,

1035
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: the PAC two, Oregon State and Washington State. So this

1036
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 2: is the second time that they played this and that's

1037
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 2: that's weird. Oregon State won the first game. Washington State's better,

1038
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: so everybody thinks Washington State's gonna kill Oregon State. Uh

1039
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: in that game. But that's a weird anomaly of a game.

1040
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: I gave serious thought to taking Ohio State in the

1041
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: game that Mike and I were talking about, in part

1042
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: because wait, I just Michigan is winning so many close

1043
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 2: games and the offense is getting better. They have Underwood,

1044
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 2: the highly touted freshman quarterback, and Mike points out Ohio

1045
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 2: State hasn't played anybody. That's true, but they just seem

1046
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 2: so dominant when they play. I'm just not gonna fight

1047
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: that trend though of Ohio State crapping every year. In

1048
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 2: this game, there was another game I looked at that

1049
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 2: we get underneath Mike's skin. I think this is the

1050
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 2: way to play Hawaii. They put they play Wyoming, Wyoming

1051
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: has to go to Hawaii. They're not gonna pay any

1052
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 2: of it. Wyoming's offense is life Wisconsin. They just can't

1053
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: do anything. And I think Hawaiians the season with a win.

1054
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 2: But I just there's another game that I want to

1055
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: go to, and that's the game between Colorado and Kansas State. Now,

1056
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 2: Kansas State's in a tricky situation. Last week, they went

1057
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 2: on the road to Utah, and Utah is a really

1058
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 2: good team and they had him beat. They were way

1059
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 2: ahead in the game and Utah came from behind to

1060
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 2: win fifty one to forty seven in a wild game.

1061
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: Kansas State comes home, they're five and six. That means

1062
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: they need to win to be ball eligible. And the

1063
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 2: key to this is they're playing Colorado. The whole Dion

1064
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: Sanders thing has become a train wreck out there. Colorado

1065
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: is terrible. They just lost two home games in a row.

1066
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: They lost it home to Arizona last week by twenty

1067
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: five points. There's you talk about bad chemistry on the team.

1068
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: It's just a mess, and people don't know if Dion's

1069
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: going to be back. He's not going to be fired

1070
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: because he's biot is through the roof, but he might

1071
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: just instead of continuing to humiliate himself, cite his health

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01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 2: because he's got all sorts of health issues and leave.

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01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: My only concern is that Kansas State may be drained

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01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 2: by what happened last week. There are also rumors that

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01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 2: the coach of Kansas State might be in trouble. But

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01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 2: I do think I'm laying sixteen and a half here.

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01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 2: I think Kansas State can beat Colorado because Colorado's been

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01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: losing by seventeen or more every single week. They put

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01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 2: in one decent game against I think West Virginia a

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01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, otherwise they're getting slaughtered. Also, Colorado

1081
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: does have a tremendous freshman quarterback, Juju Lewis. He hadn't

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01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 2: played all year. He did get put into the game

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01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 2: last week. Dion Sanders has said he will not play

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01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 2: in this game because they want to keep his red

1085
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 2: shirt status so he keeps all of his years of eligibility.

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01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 2: I actually think that that was probably the quarterback saying

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01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to play in this game, and Dion

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01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: being forced to put up with it. So I'm going

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01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 2: to take Kansas State to win by seventeen or more.

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01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 2: That line's bopped around, and when it moved underneath seventeen

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01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 2: in our service scores and odds, that's where I landed.

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01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 2: But I had lots of ideas, and by the way,

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01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: I don't have a single idea the NFL, so I

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01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 2: was only on college games. Do you have any thoughts

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01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: in that game? I just think Kansas State's a much

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01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 2: better team. I admit you have to worry about a

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01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 2: team that just went through the ringer of a game,

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01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: but that was a road game and they are back

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01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 2: home against a team that just appears to not be

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01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 2: any good, with a disconnected coaching staff and lack of

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01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 2: motivation and all of that. What do you think.

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01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, my guess is that game is going to be

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01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 3: above seventeen by the time they play, So that game's

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01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 3: probably going to move up.

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01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: On the service we use. It was seventeen and a

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01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: half yesterday and they went down to sixteen and a

1107
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 2: half and it's been flopping around all over the place.

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01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: I just the only fear I have is that it's

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01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 2: too obvious, you know.

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01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a big line. Colorado's lost three

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01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 3: of their last four games like twenty five points or more.

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01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 3: And the thing that I like about this game again

1113
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: is last week, if you looked, Kansas State out played

1114
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 3: to Utah on the road, which Utah has pretty much

1115
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: creamed everyone at home, with the exception of Texas Tech.

1116
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 3: And they Kansas State in that game rushed for all

1117
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 3: almost five hundred yards.

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01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 2: They had one guy run for two ninety three and

1119
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: Colorado is terrible against the run. I mean, that was

1120
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 2: another thing that I looked, just looked at. I think

1121
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: if Kansas State can get a lead, they're just going

1122
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: to grind them down. Now, Kansas State's quarterback has been

1123
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: very good, but he's struggled a bit the last couple

1124
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 2: of weeks. But the running games got really good. And

1125
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: Colorado's defense is poor and their run defense is especially poor.

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01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, wells as they were running for four hundred and

1127
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 3: seventy two yards last week on Utah Colorado against Arizona

1128
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 3: State gave up three hundred and fifty five yards rushing

1129
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 3: right week. So it's it's supposed to be cold and

1130
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 3: windy and snowy possibly there, which would actually benefit Kansas

1131
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 3: State because Colorado can't run, if they can't pass because

1132
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 3: it's wendy, They're in huge trouble in that game.

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01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 2: Okay, recapping the picks real quickly, Paul says, take the

1134
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 2: Bears a seven point underdog against the Eagles. Mike. Mike says,

1135
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 2: Tulsa to beat UAB by nine or more and I

1136
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 2: need Kansas State to be Lorado by seventeen or more points.

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Speaker 2: Click note on scheduling. We do have another podcast this week.

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Speaker 2: It will be released on Friday afternoon because tomorrow it's Thanksgiving.

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01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 2: We will be releasing the final podcast of the week

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Speaker 2: Friday afternoon, right around two o'clock or so in the afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Talk to that.

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