1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Reaction drome. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: Now, if you thought the end of that song rock 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 2: bottom are UFO very appropriate unidentified flying objects which is 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: basically the Vikings chances of winning the divisions, that's kind 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: of went out the window. Uh, but you heard at 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: the very end there where there was a little If 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: that had been live in concert, that would have went 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: on for another five minutes. But that's another story in itself. Yep, 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 2: even that's all, folks. Can you find that sound bite 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: anywhere it's from? It's porky Pig, I think, isn't it 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: from Warner Brothers? Even if that's all, folks, and that 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: was it, it was a. 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: Game set match. 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: You use whatever cliche you want to. As far as 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: I know, the one I love using is didn't the 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: lights draw the curtain and fade to black? 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: Because it was The coach summed it up quite succinctly 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: in his that's off fos, throw that somewhere on the 19 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: old button bar. Wonder which one we could dump off of? Uh, 20 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: they're all so good. 21 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: You know, I don't really need cash in cash out 22 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: save cash in cash out. I don't use it very often, 23 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: but throwing. But but that's all, folks, because we'll be 24 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: using that a lot, I think as uh. 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: As the season progresses. Montage. Yeah, a couple of people. 26 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: Were wondering where that was. Well, you don't do that 27 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: till it's officially over. I mean you could say, I 28 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: mean it's unofficially over, you think, I mean, I find 29 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: it hard to believe. From what I saw. It was 30 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: complete and total beat down from the from the start 31 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: to the very end. I mean, you know, it looked 32 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: like the Vikings were going to get off to a 33 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: nice start when zay Roj looked like he had he 34 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: had to pick six, and then upon further review, they 35 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: say he did not have control of the football. And 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: I don't know tenn to be. I mean, I don't 37 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: think it would have made a difference anyways. You know, 38 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: there there will be people, there will be diehards that'll say, 39 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: what seven nothing, We're going to be all over? Well maybe, 40 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: I but I just don't think that would have made 41 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: any difference at all. The booth official whoever not not? Uh, 42 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: who's who is the guy they have in the booth 43 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: for a prime video? You know, the official that that 44 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: that reviews the place for the broadcast crew. I can't 45 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: remember his name. Yeah, the Periri type. He said he 46 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: didn't think there was enough evidence to overturn it. I'm 47 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: just telling you that's like, you know, the old It's 48 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 2: like throwing a deck chair off the ten of Fitzgerald. 49 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 2: It just isn't going to make a difference. I don't 50 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: think it makes any difference in the output. 51 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: The Chargers were better in all fast sets, all phases game. 52 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 3: That being said, you know that is a pretty significant play. 53 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: I don't think it changed the outcome of the game. 54 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: Probably doesn't, but you never know, No it doesn't. That's 55 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: where they. 56 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 3: Changes the mentality of the game and changes the belief 57 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: in your team. 58 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: If that's if you want to if you want to 59 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: believe that one. I got some motion front property. 60 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: Near so I'd mostly agree with you. 61 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: Well, it's one hundred percent that there There was nothing 62 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: there that would that that would not have made that 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: would not have changed the game plan for San Diego, 64 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: which was basically run the ball down their throat, throw 65 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: the ball at will. 66 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: That is a bad defensive unit. 67 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: It's really bad, and the acquisitions they made in the 68 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: off season aren't any good. Winch shouldn't even have been playing. 69 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: He was in such pain. There was No, that was 70 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: just him being a tough guy. And as a coach 71 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: you have to say you're not playing, we're starting bros. 72 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,839 Speaker 2: Or you can't play the guy like that. I think 73 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: it did affect is a fact. He's not any good anyway. 74 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: We know. 75 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: That's why he was on the couch and they had 76 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: to call him. 77 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: But that's that's there was no excuse. They have no 78 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: running game, offensive lines and shambles. Again, dari Saw couldn't go. 79 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: He tried what two series he was out. O'Neil apparently 80 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: shouldn't have been back last week because now from what 81 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: they tell me that they think last week because he 82 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: played every snap he was favoring his right knees and 83 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: I was left knee is all sore. And so there 84 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: there's some that's all folks. That's the way hold On 85 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: is even even there yet? 86 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: No, no, I can't get it on the bucket. But 87 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: even if it's all folks, and so, well, let's do this. 88 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: And I've got I got hundreds, hundreds, hundreds of emails, 89 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 2: maybe not one hundreds, but I've got a number to 90 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: get to. 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Fish rep Factory 130 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: west Side highlighted a couple of paragraphs, including this one 131 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: that says the Vikings were outclassed in every phase and 132 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: exceeded in every metric by the Chargers, who gained twenty 133 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: nine first dollars, ran for two hundred and seven yards, 134 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: didn't punt once, and held the ball for thirty nine minutes. 135 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: LA had ten plays of fifteen yards or more, seven 136 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 2: of those in the first half when quarterback Justin Herbert 137 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: strafed the middle of the Vikings defense and gained fifty 138 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: one yards on five scrambles of his own. The Chargers 139 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: had four drives of nine plays or more. Their longest drive, 140 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: a ninety four yard march in the second quarter, ended 141 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: with Herbert Loft in a twenty seven yard touchdown passover 142 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: Jeff Acutah's head for Lad mcconkee's score to put them 143 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: up twenty one to three. Those numbers are astonishing to me. 144 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: And if you think the Chargers have a good offense, 145 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: wait till the kiddies get home. It's a pick your 146 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: score next week unless something changes dramatically, and I don't 147 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: know how it can, because this defensive performance doesn't seem 148 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: like it was a one off to me. I mean 149 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: they were bad again. I know, they only gave up 150 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: twenty one points against Philly yesterday. Last week, you know, 151 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: the fourth tutty was the was the pick six. But 152 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: they allowed a quarterback last week to record a perfect QBR. 153 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: They couldn't stop him, and the same thing happened again. 154 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: Last night. 155 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: It says here the Vikings, who finished the game with 156 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: guards Donovan Jackson and Will Frieses are only healthy starters 157 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: on the offensive line, have given up thirty eight sacks 158 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: and nine games during the twenty twenty five calendar year 159 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: and ran just eleven times for thirty four yards against 160 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: a Chargers team that had allowed five point one yards 161 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: per carry this season, and so obviously getting Aaron Jones back. 162 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: We talked about it yesterday. 163 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 2: I said, always good to get back healthy players, and 164 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: your your starters. I mean, Aaron Jones is considered the 165 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: starting running back, but he made no difference in the game. 166 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: And I won't put it all on him. It's that 167 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: offensive line. It is it is. Did you know who 168 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: led the team in rushing last night? 169 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 4: No? 170 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: Who did Xavier got? He had two carries in garbage 171 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 3: time for sixteen yards. 172 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: Says here the Vikings. 173 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 2: This year, the Vikings have given up at least one 174 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty rushing yards to four opponents, with the 175 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: Chargers two hundred and seven yards are passed only by 176 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: the Falcons two eighteen. On September fourteen, the Chargers were 177 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: content to bully the Vikes with fullbacks and tight ends, 178 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: gaining five point four yards per play with two tight 179 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: ends and two running backs on the field. According to 180 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: NFL Next Gen Stats, the Vikings struggled to crowd big 181 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: running back Kamani Vidal, whose gained seventy four of his 182 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: one hundred and seventeen yards after contact. That's according again 183 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: in next gen stats as players stood with hands on 184 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: hips fighting a tea between play. Both units are are 185 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: are just simply awful right now. But the defense surprises 186 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: me even more than the offense because look, but if 187 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: it had been McCarthy, I don't know how much better 188 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: the team would play. We saw McCarthy for two games. 189 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: He had one brilliant quarter, which gives you hope. The 190 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: other three, the other seven quarters, were not very good. 191 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: Wentz is Wentz. There's a reason Carson Wentz is Carson 192 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: Wentz because he was born to a family whose last 193 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 2: name was Wentz, and they decided to call him Carson. 194 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: And remember he was a late addition to the roster. 195 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: The Vikings had acquired Sam Howell was that on draft 196 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: day or near pickswap, because they thought he would be 197 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: an ideal backup quarterback. Once they went through training camp, 198 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 2: they decided he's not the guy, so they went out 199 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: and got Wentz. We talked about this a little bit 200 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: tien to me in the first segment. I don't even 201 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: know how Wentz is allowed to play last night. I 202 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 2: mean the and I you know, for boll is a 203 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: tough guy game. 204 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: I get that. 205 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: And my guess is Wentz. You saw Wentz Winz over, Yes, over, 206 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: And I don't think it was milking. And I don't 207 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: think he was trying to do I'm playing bad. I 208 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: want people to know him in pain. I'm thinking he's 209 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: taking a beating out there. All guys want to play. 210 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: We know that's how it is in the NFL. Man 211 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: you play well. 212 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if that case of those Vikings teams, 213 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: well it's a badge of honor. Well yeah, maybe it's 214 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: not the case of their left tackling. 215 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: Well, but if yeah, But I'm not I'm not ready 216 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: to suggest that the left tackle is soft and not playing, 217 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 2: because if his knees bad, you don't want it to 218 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: buckle again. 219 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm not ready to go there. 220 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: If other people want to say he's soft and doesn't play, 221 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: that's fine. 222 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say that because I'm not in 223 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: his shoes. 224 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 2: He goes to show you where whence is how he 225 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: wanted to play last night? And I guess if you 226 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: want to play, I mean, you know, the coach said, 227 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 2: I saw the quotes. She said he checked with the 228 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: medical staff and with Wins a couple of times, and 229 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: he said I'm good to go, and it wasn't. 230 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: It was interesting. 231 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: There was the one time he was sacked and he 232 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: went off and it looked like, well he might have 233 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: to have his arm and shoulder completely amputated, and then 234 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: he was smiling and laughing on the sideline, so he was. 235 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: He He rebounded quite quite quickly after that play. 236 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 3: But when you're down three scores in the fourth quarter 237 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: and he's in pain every time he got the field, 238 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 3: you got. 239 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: H And they did. 240 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: They finally did. They finally went bro. I don't know 241 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 2: what time they went with ros I was dozing in. Yeah, 242 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: I got to admit I was dozing in and out. 243 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: I did not see all of the second half. I 244 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: think the Vikings were dozing in and out, and they 245 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: played like they were sleepwalking through the game. But it 246 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: it's and now people will get their wish. The people 247 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: that wanted to see McCarthy, they said this season. There 248 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: were people that two or three weeks ago, God bless them. 249 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: I guess they predicted their seers. They said, the season's over. 250 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: We're not going anywhere here, So we got to see 251 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 2: what we have. McCarthy, you and I were a bit more. Well, 252 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: you can't give up on the season, just quite Yeah. 253 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: Hell they were three and two at the time, then 254 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: they were three and three, so you have to play 255 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: it out. 256 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: A little bit. You just have to. And that's the 257 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: way the organization is going to play. 258 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 2: A team is not going to give up on the season, 259 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 2: at least publicly when they're three and three. Now with 260 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: three and four and Whens is a shell of his 261 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: former self, and I don't know how long it would 262 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: take that shoulder, even if they wanted to play wins. 263 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: How much better is he going to get between now 264 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: and next Sunday. Probably not very much. 265 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: So now you're gods of him giving you the best 266 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: things to win at this point. Yes, the last two weeks, 267 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: that's it. That's exactly right. So now you know, you 268 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: go with McCarthy. So people are going to see what 269 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: they put it this way. 270 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: God bless McCarthy back there against that with with that 271 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: offensive line, because he's going to be in big Trump. 272 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna be running for his life back there. 273 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: And then you know, we talk about this all the 274 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: time about quarterbacks getting the confidence crushed when they're putting 275 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: a situation. I mean, you know, I know there were 276 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: times Wentz probably hung onto the ball too long, but 277 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: you saw the rush tend to be and if guys 278 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: aren't open, and you know, I know it again, I'm not, 279 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: I don't. 280 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: I didn't break down. 281 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: The twenty two or twenty two hy but it just 282 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: seems the philosophy of the Vikings is they'd like to 283 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 2: have pass patterns develop and go a little longer. Right, 284 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: So when you're trying to develop a little longer pass 285 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: patterns with two of the best wide receivers in pro football, 286 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: it's not going to give your quarterback much time to throw. 287 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: And he had no time to throw. 288 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 2: And then when you have no running game, there's no 289 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 2: play action fear it was, it's and. 290 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: Then that defense. 291 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: I And we'll talk more about that on the other 292 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: side of the break as well. We tall, we'll read 293 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 2: some emails, we'll take some text messages. 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If 326 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: you're looking for poise, polished, and professional, you'll get it 327 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: at three o'clock when Big Ticket Dan Burrero and. 328 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: Jag take the stage. 329 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: Here's a text Mena says this one says the defense 330 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: has made worse by an offense that can't do anything. 331 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: They played seventy snaps I think last night, which is 332 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: about thirty to forty two many. I'll grant you that, 333 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: But they couldn't have been too tuckered because the first 334 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: time I'm over with San Diego took the ball for 335 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: the very first time in the game. 336 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: How are they tired? 337 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: It was a fourteen play, eighty three yard drive that 338 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: took seven minutes and thirty nine seconds. They're not tired. 339 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: Matter of fact, that was the first time they took 340 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: the field. Quit trying to bail out the defense. The 341 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: defense is awful, and I tried to tell people, and 342 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: I got ripped to the point where I cried myself 343 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: to sleep. At night when I came up with a 344 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: chant it might not be done at Tell. It might 345 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: be the personnel ed. Donna Tell. 346 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: Was the scapegoat, the fall guy. 347 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 2: For the Minnesota Vikings back in O'Connell's first season when 348 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 2: they lost to the New York Football Giants in the playoffs. 349 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: It's all O'Connell's fault. 350 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, it's all Dona Teil's fault because he 351 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: doesn't the game's passed him by. He plays that cover 352 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 2: two stuff and that's that's ancient. We don't play that. 353 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: Anymore in the National Football League. 354 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: And again I'm not blaming it all on the coach 355 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: because but it's it's it's just the idea that people 356 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 2: try to simplify things things and say, if we have 357 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: the right coach, voila all assault. We had NFL NFL 358 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: Coach of the Year. There are people that think, and 359 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: I'm not saying O'Connell's a bad coach, but what's happened. 360 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: Offense is awful. 361 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: And again, there are there are injuries on that defensive line, 362 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: on that offensive line. The one offensive acquisition they made 363 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: in free agency's I guess that's panned out. I think 364 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 2: Fries we talked about this last week. Tend to be 365 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: I don't see grading on Fries. Maybe somebody can provide 366 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: it for me. He came in as a free agent 367 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: offensive lineman. He's played every game. He has not missed 368 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: a game. He's played every snap, so at least at 369 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: least he's playing, which is you can't say about the 370 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 2: center that we got. But the center does have concussion problems, 371 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: so I'm not I'm not suggesting he should play, but 372 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: he was injury prone before, so he's not helping us 373 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: at all. And then Darisaw can't stay healthy. O'Neil can't 374 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: stay healthy, and that'll happen sometimes, and so there are 375 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: some some unfortunate circumstances. 376 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: The rookie quarterback can't stay healthy. 377 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 2: I mean, he missed all of last year because of 378 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,479 Speaker 2: a knee injury and knee surgery, and that will happen. 379 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 2: And now we as a high ankle sprain, a high 380 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 2: ankle sprain that's kept him out since Week two. 381 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: Is that September fourteen. 382 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: Game, I don't remember the exact date on it, but 383 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: I think that's September fourteen, because I think on the 384 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: twenty first we played the Falcons so he's been out 385 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 2: for over a month now. We think he'll come back 386 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: this week. I don't know how much of difference he 387 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: makes with the offensive line that we have in the 388 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 2: running game that we don't have. I don't see how 389 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: it's going to get much better with a young kid 390 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: who hasn't really seen, who's only seen real two games 391 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: of real NFL action. 392 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 3: That's probably why they wanted him to be one hundred 393 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: percent before he got in, because with this offensive line, 394 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 3: you better have your mobility with you. 395 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: After the touchdown, the Vikings were three and out. 396 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: And then they Chargers put together an eight play fifty 397 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: nine yard drives. You know again, Yeah, sometimes the defense 398 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: is on the field too long, but they weren't doing 399 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 2: anything at the beginning of the game, the middle of 400 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: the game, or the end of the game. 401 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: I'm not you know how you eliminate how long you're 402 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 3: out on the field, get off the field occasional, Well 403 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 3: that's it. 404 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, force a three and out. Yeah, and they weren't. 405 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: They weren't. 406 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 3: To their defense. They probably had to pick six early. 407 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: They got negated, but correct. They had one turnover as 408 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 3: they stood. Mattellus had had a pick and that was. 409 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: The first turnover the defense has created since September twenty. First, 410 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: they would have been that Falcon game. I mean, that's 411 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: over a month of not creating a turnover. In Tennebe. 412 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: It's the Bengals, the Bengals game. 413 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and you know it's a it's a cliche, 414 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: but we love cliches, and generally, as you've heard me 415 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 2: say many times, you heard it here, first, cliches are 416 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 2: generally true. 417 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: Because the cliches are cliches because. 418 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: They're generally true, and turnovers and big plays is generally what. 419 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: Decides games. 420 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 2: A couple of emails at KIA common at KFE and 421 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: dot com last night. 422 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 1: This one from Gary at eight thirty nine last night. 423 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: It says, I've been looking for a football game that 424 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: was supposed to be played tonight, but all I can 425 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: find is an infomercial for chairs. 426 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: So he and I don't know if he bought any 427 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: of those chairs. They probably get him at a cheap 428 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: price right now, but he did not say. Here's another. 429 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 2: This one says This came at eleven fifty five last says, 430 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: I'm not saying the Vikings leadership made a mistake when 431 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: they sent Harball back to Michigan after. 432 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: That interview a few years ago. 433 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: But there was almost a symbolic vibe how awful they 434 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: look tonight going against him. And there's the fact that 435 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: Harbaugh was McCarthy's coach when they were hatching up his 436 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 2: grand plan to have him be. 437 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: The future of his team. 438 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 2: I'm getting the feeling that the chaos honeymoon period is 439 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: coming to an end, and it could very well. I 440 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: think this town has fallen in love with Kevin O'Connell. 441 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: There are those I think. 442 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: You, yes, you other than Andy Reid. I think you 443 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: basically called him the second or third best coach. I 444 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 2: don't remember who else you had up there, but you know, 445 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: Nick Siriani, Shanahan and others seem to have And it's 446 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: not all on chaos. 447 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: It's not. But as we've talked about before, Tobe, we've 448 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: been led to. 449 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: Believe that in the contract negotiations, the four year extension 450 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: that O'Connell got, one of the things, as he wanted 451 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: to be assured of, was he had more say in 452 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: personnel decisions. 453 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: I don't know we've talked about this to me. 454 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: I was texted by a friend of mine who we 455 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: text and talk more than most people know about. Well, 456 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: this is on quazy because we're using free agents and 457 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 2: we don't have our draft picks haven't panned out. I 458 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: again would like to know, and I was going to 459 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: text liber and because I think libers he's got the 460 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: insight scoop on a lot of these things. But just 461 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: in general, how much does the general manager just provide 462 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 2: players to the coaching staff without any input from the 463 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: coaching staff or does the coaching staff have quite a 464 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: bit of input? 465 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: You would think if. 466 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 2: That was the request by O'Connell, then maybe coaches don't 467 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: have as much input as I thought they would have 468 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 2: if I was a GM, and maybe you would say, well, 469 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: then your shirked and your duties and your responsibilities, that's 470 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: your job. Why would you go for assistance from the 471 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 2: coaching staff? Do your research, find the players and draft them. 472 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: But I would want to know, Well, I'd like to 473 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: talk with my coaching staff and say what kind of 474 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 2: approach do you want to have on offense? 475 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: Do we want to be a running team, do we 476 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: want to pass vertical passing game? You know? 477 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: Do you think we need more offensive line? Are you 478 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: happy with the offensive line and we have right now? 479 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 2: Do we need a new running back and then I 480 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: can make my decisions a little more easily. And I 481 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: don't know how much input there is between O'Connell. 482 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: Quay and connected as as far as I know. 483 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: That's what they say to us B Flow And then 484 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: who is our offensive coordinator at least entitle only. 485 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: Phillips. 486 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: And again I don't know how I mean, because we 487 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: know O'Connell calls all the plays, so I'm sure Phillips 488 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 2: does help with the game planning and all that, but 489 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 2: it's almost like it's. 490 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how much to say 491 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: he has in personnel. 492 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: Either, but he he he He took the Twin Cities 493 00:23:59,480 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: by store. 494 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: He was fourteen and three. We lost to the Giants. 495 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: That was unfortunate. 496 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 2: Following year we replaced that that Donnadell was the fall. 497 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: He was the fall guy. 498 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: After the first year, they got rid of him and 499 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 2: brought in B Flow and B Flow's defense. That first year, 500 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: I don't know how good they were. We went seven 501 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: and nine, I think, but then the following year we 502 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 2: even we did we last year we won game better. 503 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: Even fourteen and three were because we were thirteen and 504 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 2: four of the first fourteen three and now we were 505 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: fourteen and three last year and the defense was very good. 506 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: I mean I think we were one of the top ranked. 507 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: I had some numbers again here I think hold on Tenamy, 508 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: give me a moment. 509 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, I need that. Yes, this is 510 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: again from that Ben uh Ben Gesling. 511 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: He says that the Vikings have struggled to restrain muscular 512 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: run game games and have grasped at mobile quarterbacks like 513 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, Jalen Hrson out Herbert. Their pass rush the 514 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: catalyst for so many of their twenty twenty four takeaways, 515 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 2: ranked thirteen and sacks before Thursday Night after finishing fifth 516 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: last year. Jonathan Allen, signed to a three year, fifty 517 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: one million dollar Dealers offseason, has only one and a 518 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 2: half sacks. 519 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: Javon Hargrave, who got a two year, thirty million. 520 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: Dollar contract, has two sacks and a seeing his playing 521 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: time receipt. So we were told by the Wilf Walllett 522 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: watchers that these two interior defensive linemen, we're going to 523 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: change things for us. We're going to get an inside 524 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: pass rush. That was what we were missing. That's where 525 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 2: we were told, and so we let Harrison Phillips go. 526 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: We traded him. 527 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: We didn't need any run stopping the ability anymore. We 528 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 2: needed to rush the passer. Well, as I just read, 529 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: hard Grave has only two sacks. He's seen his playing 530 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: time receipt in. Jonathan Allen has only a sack and 531 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: a half. So we're not getting that. We're not getting 532 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 2: any inside pass rush at least that is leading to sacks. 533 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: It's so we only have one pass rusher. Yeah, that's it. 534 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 2: And he was he was really good early until then 535 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: he got banged up too and did he leave the game? 536 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: Guy? 537 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 2: Then I doze off. But he was the only guy 538 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 2: in the field. There's two JG's, there's two jgs. 539 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: On in this town that know what they're doing. 540 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: That would be Jonathan Garnard and Justin Gard Gernard and 541 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: you've got Justin Guard and a guy named Grenard. They 542 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 2: know what they're doing. He was the only guy that 543 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 2: was playing last night. Really, I mean, there's other guys 544 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: that may have made a difference here and there. You know, 545 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 2: there's probably a tackle here and I you know, sometimes 546 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: one player can attract attention to open things up for 547 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 2: another player. So not to say that, you know, all 548 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: the other ten guys were completely meaningless in the game. 549 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 2: But and you know what I said, I like the 550 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: jeff A Kudah acquisition just because it was a guy 551 00:26:59,520 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 2: that walked. 552 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: We got him. We got him cheap, right, he was 553 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: dirt cheap. 554 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: He had been a third pick overall out of the 555 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 2: Ohio State University for Detroit. Had bounced around a little bit. 556 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: Now we know why he bounced around a little bit. 557 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 2: There's just nothing there. And the only good thing is 558 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: they didn't have to waste a lot of money. They 559 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: didn't to spend a lot of money. 560 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: I think. 561 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: They neglected their secondary thinking with b Flow and his 562 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 3: scheming and our pass rush. Our corners don't need to 563 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 3: be out there that long, right, because they kind of 564 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 3: neglected the secondary until June last year. We wentn't got 565 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 3: to get a bunch of old veterans to throw back there. 566 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 3: I think they got a little arrogant with how good 567 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: their defense is and how we don't need to go 568 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 3: out and spend money on this position. 569 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: Against the Colts on Sunday, the Chargers rushed sixteen times 570 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: for fifty four yards. 571 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: Okay, that's the Colts. 572 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 2: Yes, the Vikings on Thursday the Chargers rushed forty three 573 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: times for two hundred and seven yards on their third 574 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 2: string back, Vadal, who rushed twenty three times for one 575 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 2: hundred and seventeen yards in a tuddy. 576 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: He was on Deuce's fantasy team last night. 577 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly the when I was going to bring 578 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 3: up he's third string. They started the year with Amarion Hampton, 579 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: who they drafted highly, I believe in the second round. 580 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 3: They also had Najie Harris, who they got from Pittsburgh. 581 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 3: Those are their top two backs. So they they ran 582 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 3: all of us at their third string back the Pittsburgh Steelers, 583 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 3: and we played them. They had a bottom five rushing 584 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 3: team in the league and they were without their starter, 585 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 3: and Kenneth Gainwell ran all over us. So it's yeah, 586 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 3: it's one thing when Jean Robinson doesn't right when it's 587 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 3: Kamanie Vidal and Kenneth Gainwell, there's a deeper issue here. 588 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: And I don't know what. 589 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: You and I have said this a couple thirteen fourteen 590 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: times over the past couple of weeks. Coaches coach, players play. 591 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: Coaches do have to take responsibility. The coach did what 592 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: all coaches do. He said, we were outplayed, out coached. 593 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: I didn't have the team ready to play. It's such 594 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: a I don't know what a coach can do to 595 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: have a team ready to play. You know, I don't 596 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: even know what they mean by don't have them. Maybe 597 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 2: TeV you coached? What is it? It's like these are 598 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 2: all hot, these are highly played professional football players that 599 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: know what's at stake. What does the coach do to 600 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: have them? Or is it is he talking about game 601 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: plan or I don't know. But and the coach needs 602 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 2: to take his share of responsibility. And then as we 603 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: just read the text that or the email that says, 604 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: I'm getting the feeling that the honeymoon period is coming 605 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: to an end for KOC. 606 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: I think we're still a ways away from that. I mean, 607 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: the guy he just he was just named coach of 608 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: the Year and that. 609 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: And they did a really good job last year, there's 610 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 2: no question about that. 611 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: And two years ago when they had that. 612 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: The greatest comeback in the history of the National football 613 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 2: they had the great win over the Buffalo Bills. 614 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: They were winning games in. 615 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: The last minute over and over again. They just laid 616 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 2: an egg in the playoffs. That's the other thing is 617 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 2: that the head coach. 618 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: Is zero and two in postseason play. 619 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if the honeymoon's over, But you know, 620 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 3: I think Koc has not been criticized a lot here. 621 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: It's been mostly positive reviews. 622 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 3: I mean, you get the occasional what's his record in 623 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 3: the playoffs, But for the most part, he's gotten very 624 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 3: positive reviews here. And I do think that's going to 625 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 3: start changing. And I do think he has rabbit ears 626 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: and he hears all this stuff. So I'm curious to 627 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 3: see how he reacts to a little bit of adversity 628 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 3: and not have everyone throwing rave reviews your way. You know, 629 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 3: the quarterback whisper namesake is going to take a little 630 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 3: bit of a hit. The way the season's going, I 631 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 3: don't know what's going on. You know, if his relationship 632 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: with b Flow is fractured at all, the way the 633 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 3: way the way that defense is performing right now, there's 634 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 3: I'm guessing you know, we didn't make much of a 635 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 3: story but at the time, but you talked about it earlier. 636 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 3: Of there was a note in Kos's contract reportedly that 637 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 3: he wanted more, say a personnel, So to me that 638 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 3: rings of well, there might be a little bit division 639 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 3: between him and the front office and how things are done, 640 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 3: and we didn't make we didn't say much about it 641 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 3: at the time because the team was winning and they 642 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 3: were doing well. But now it starts to maybe show 643 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 3: up on things like this. 644 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 2: Well and remind me, we do believe there was a 645 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: major fracture, earthquake like fraction between Zimmer and Spielman. 646 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: Wasn't there? Oh yeah, I mean that was so at 647 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: the end. 648 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, So it does happen where general matters 649 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: and coaches. 650 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 3: I feel like neither of them have really talked about 651 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 3: that the way that ended either exactly. 652 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: Neither one is has said much. 653 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 2: And you know, at the crux of this, and we've 654 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: we've talked about this a lot too, Tiennaby, the team 655 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 2: think about how it's changed. Less than a year ago, 656 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: this team was one win away from winning the North, 657 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 2: in securing home field advantags. 658 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: Throughout the playoffs, the number one seed. 659 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: Darnald gets skittish, he plays poorly. 660 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: They lose to the Lions. 661 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: They go from a chance from to the one seed, 662 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: they drop to the fifth and then they get beat 663 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 2: by the Rams, man handled by the Rams, and immediately 664 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 2: following the game, it was either they was that next 665 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 2: it was a Sunday. There was Monday at the season 666 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 2: any news conference, koc said, we need to improve the 667 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 2: interior of our offensive line. So the general manager did that. 668 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 2: They went out and got the Fries and I can't 669 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: remember the other guy's named the center that's out now, 670 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: Ryan Kelly, Ryan Kelly. 671 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: So Kelly and Fries come in. We get Hargrave and 672 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: the other guy. 673 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 2: Was what's his name again, and he's Jonathan Allen. 674 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: To to fortify the interior of the offense. 675 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: In the interior of the defensive line will make it, 676 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: you know, like you say, they kind of didn't do 677 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 2: a lot with the secondary. We lost a couple of guys, 678 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: went and got Zay and we decided we did want 679 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: to sign Sam Darnold after a spectacular season, a career 680 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 2: direction changing. 681 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: Career direction change that sounds okay, career direction changing season. 682 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: There was the one bad game. I get it. 683 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 2: But all quarterbacks, So unless you think that's that's such 684 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 2: a that sets up alarm bells. If in a big 685 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,719 Speaker 2: game with a season on the line, he played as 686 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 2: bad as he did, you think that's going to happen 687 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 2: over and over again. I guess that's why you're go 688 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 2: in another direction. I think it was more we don't 689 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,959 Speaker 2: want to give him one hundred million dollars because we 690 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 2: want to have money to spend on free agents and. 691 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: The quarterback whisper stuff. 692 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 2: You know, he said in that interview last week on 693 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 2: television he doesn't like the quarterback whisper thing. But he 694 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 2: also did say he's proud of how they handle the 695 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 2: quarterback situation. 696 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking they. 697 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 2: Like McCarthy and thought, this kid's got He's got the 698 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 2: basics that we need. He's young, he's got a good arm, 699 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 2: he's won everywhere he's went. 700 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: We can win with this guy. 701 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: All we need to do to improve on fourteen and 702 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 2: three interior of the offensive line, interior the defensive line, 703 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 2: and then I'll handle the rest by coaching this kid up. 704 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 2: And it just hasn't turned off that way. The interior 705 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 2: of the offensive line, most of it because of injuries, 706 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 2: hasn't worked. We've just talked about the two guys in 707 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 2: the interior of the defensive line. They've basically been meaningless. 708 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 2: And the kid looked awful in his first two weeks. 709 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 2: Then against the ankle sprang, we had nobody to back 710 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 2: him up. We could have got Rogers, Rogers wanted to 711 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 2: play here. I guess we could have kept Danny Dimes 712 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 2: And who saw that coming. I don't know if anybody 713 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 2: really saw him playing like he hasn't been with a Colt. 714 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 2: So personnel decisions and maybe being a little too confident 715 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 2: in your ability to coach up quarterbacks and selecting the 716 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 2: right players, it's got this team in a terrible situation 717 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 2: right now. We'll take a break five three four, top 718 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 2: of the hour to be what we got. 719 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, PJA team bringing home the Bacon