1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Five six six nine zero is the very functional text line. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 2: You guys are welcome. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna run right out to the Kai comes for 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: the hotline though, and bring on our guy. Sean Keeler, Sean, 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: always enjoy talking to you. 6 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: How you doing, buddy? 7 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 3: How good? How are you guys? Very functional is the 8 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 3: nicest thing ever said about me. 9 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: Well, I was talking about the text line. 10 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: I would I would use much better superlatives if I 11 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: was speaking about you, sir. That to me, We'll use 12 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: that though, the very functional Sean Keeler. I'm gonna I'm 13 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: gonna get him a T shirt with that made up 14 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: in block print. 15 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 4: I like that. 16 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: It'll be like the banner from the office. It is 17 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: your birthday, you know. 18 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: Always loved, always loved that episode, Sean. 19 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: I was talking to Dave earlier, trying off top of 20 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: the show, and he asked me the question about what 21 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: I thought about Prime being out there in Vegas for Shadors, 22 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: you know, first game, and I like, I hadn't thought 23 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: about it really much. It hadn't occurred to me. Like 24 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, the dude went out there to 25 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: see his son. But David's like, you know, when you're coaching. 26 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: Sunday in college football is the day you really get 27 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: all your offense and defense together. You get a lot 28 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: of your work on that day. What did you think 29 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: about him going out there? Because the humanist in me 30 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: is like, well, you know, it's a father one to 31 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: see his son play ball. But then the you know, 32 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: the the college football fan me is like, well, you know, 33 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: he's also daddy to nine or ninety other guys who 34 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: are sitting back here in Colorado hoping to win some 35 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: football games. 36 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I could see the conflict. I gotta admit, though, 37 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: I wasn't really torn, and I wasn't really surprised because 38 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: he was gonna go like, are you kidding me? Like 39 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 3: that game could have been in Timbo II, and you 40 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: were gonna have Dian and the smack folks there in 41 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 3: the box, and they were gonna be there and the 42 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 3: cameras would be on them whether something happened good or bad. 43 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 3: So I get you know, it's just not funny. Oh 44 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 3: it shock you? No, I sided with the humanist there. Hey, 45 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 3: I'm a dad. I get it. I have no problem 46 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: with it. Honestly, However, he's point what you talked about earlier. Yeah, 47 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: it's your college football Monday. But it's not a normal program. 48 00:01:54,840 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: It doesn't run by normal things. It doesn't look great 49 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: to the you know, to the other ninety that you're 50 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: taking care of. But I gotta be honest, I haven't 51 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: feeling that thirty or forty those guys might not be 52 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: around soon anyway. So in a season that's gonna looks 53 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 3: like it's going to be three and nine, maybe it's 54 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 3: a mood point. I don't know. It's a great there's 55 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: a no win situation with that, But I honestly, personally, 56 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: even as an air quote critic, don't have an issue 57 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: with that given the context of it. I don't. 58 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 5: Hey, Shannis rick Lewis, I talked about your article this 59 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 5: morning on my morning show on the Fox Headline. See you, 60 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 5: Buff's coach Deon Sanders is right, this mess is on him. 61 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 5: I think that's a great headline, and looking at the program, 62 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 5: they seem to be a hot mess right now. 63 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's got layers and it's not it's on him. 64 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: It's not just him. And again it sounds like I'm 65 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 3: giving him flowers when I'm the king of thorns. To 66 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: his credit, he had stood up and said come after me. Well, 67 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: you know I can laugh say I have, and I 68 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: know that there are limits to that. That said, you know, 69 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: he has been upfront about the responsibility also in part 70 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: because he has the most unbelievable job security of anybody 71 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: known to man, and that's a lot easier to do. 72 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 3: I think what's going to be really, really hard and interesting, 73 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 3: and I'll be fascinated because I've written about this the 74 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: week before with this program is what Dion does with 75 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: the coaching staff, because he is serious about giving underserved 76 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: and friends of his opportunities, which is not a different 77 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: from any other coach or any other CEO in a 78 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: lot of ways. It's just that a lot of his 79 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: good friends have never been coaches before. They're legendary football 80 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: players and icons of their generation. So he likes what 81 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: he likes and it's taken a bit of a bump, 82 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: and there's been a lot of reasons for that too, 83 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: from coaching the quarterback play to the defense, just as 84 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: you know in it's being bad from from stem to 85 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 3: stern and there they've never tackled a running quarterback all 86 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: year and they won't start now. And the fact that 87 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: you off's two of maybe the best five players you 88 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: ever had, and not just one of the Dean Travis Hunter, 89 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: but Hunter and Shidur. He certainly lost the best two 90 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: way player, uh and best athlete and best throwing quarterback 91 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: you ever had, and it showed. I think the degree 92 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: to which it all fell off is on him, and 93 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's the starkness of this 94 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: kind of roller coaster peaks and troughs of like four 95 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: and eight, ninety four, three nine, that it's a little 96 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 3: hard to get used to. And I think maybe we're 97 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: gonna have to because when you are doing that much 98 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 3: portal hopping, and we can't call it mercenary you, but 99 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: it kind of is. When you're when you're changing over 100 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: the roster that much much, you are going to have 101 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: a one lost record performances that that kind of look 102 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 3: like that on balance. And the good news I guess 103 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: is that means next year they could win seven or 104 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 3: eight games. I guess that they find the right people. 105 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: They're going to have to find a lot of different 106 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 3: people to make that work. 107 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: Tucker Sean kaylersh on you know, the offensive coordinator position 108 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: as an infraim in there. Now, they've faquently thankfully vacated 109 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: the Punt Schermer era. But as we look forward to 110 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: whatever it is that it will be next, do you 111 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: think he promotes I mean, you talked about it. He 112 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: is a guy that's you know, I'm going to bring 113 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: along my buddies more or less is Byron Lefwich, who 114 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: has experienced as an offensive coordinator in the NFL. The 115 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: next experiment at Colorado. 116 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: I'm surprised that hasn't been because I think we saw 117 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 3: the writing on the wall when he came aboard that 118 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: you know, well, you know, Pat, don't don't sign any leases. Pad. 119 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 3: This is somebody who's had some play calling experience and 120 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 3: he is in the prime circle of trust and that 121 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: is not a very large bend diagram crossover and has 122 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 3: done it at a pretty good level with a pretty 123 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 3: good track record. So I think if they were going 124 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: to do that, they would have done it by now. 125 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: But I also think that they're keeping all options open 126 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: and know that they are and are maybe looking again 127 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: from the outside too. But I've heard that he has 128 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 3: a good relationship with Julian Lewis, which is really the 129 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: most important thing here because if there's an upside and 130 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: we knew this was going to come as the season 131 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: went off the rails. For these last four games is 132 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 3: this week at the last two to three have been 133 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: have been about Julian Lewis and getting integrated and making 134 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: sure he's got a comfort zone. And I think he 135 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: is going to have a say and should have the 136 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 3: number one say, frankly as to where this offense goes. 137 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: And I think he likes who he's got, but I 138 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 3: think he's got some ideas as well, and I'll be 139 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: fascinating to see because he is quarterback. Is frank Eon 140 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: Sanders offense the most critical piece and if you don't 141 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: get that right or don't get it consistent, you get 142 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: what we've seen. So I think they want to avoid 143 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 3: a lot of that and that will be the lesson 144 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 3: that they take from this year. 145 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 5: We're talking to Sean Keeler of the Denver Posts, and 146 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 5: as everybody knows, coach Prime is not traditional. 147 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 4: He's unorthodox. 148 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 5: He's trying to build a college football program in a 149 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 5: different way than just about anybody else that's tried to 150 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 5: do it. He doesn't go out and recruit. He prefers 151 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 5: to build a team every year, a new team every 152 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 5: year through the transfer portal, and I don't know if 153 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 5: that's sustainable. 154 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 4: I still think that's debatable if it is or not. 155 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 5: But now we're seeing fans losing patience, sean and interest 156 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 5: that stadium. There was a lot of empty seats in 157 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 5: that stadium Saturday night, and so Boulder has always been 158 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 5: that place. If you win at CEU Boulder, people are 159 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 5: going to go to the game. When you're not winning, 160 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 5: they got better things to do. 161 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: They do. 162 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: And I went to double check the attendance to see 163 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: if the numbers matched the eyes, because I remember that 164 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: Utah game on I think it was the Black Friday 165 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: weekend in twenty twenty two. The dark ages of the 166 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: end of one and eleven, well one in eleven gets 167 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: said a lot. Anytime you say anything remotely critical of 168 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: the coach primaire, they go on a eleven what and eleven? 169 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: You go yeah, But there were other what what eleventh 170 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: before this uh to a point there were like thirty 171 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: three thousand, five hundred for that Utah game. They were 172 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: listed about forty three thousand and change this last Saturday 173 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 3: for Arizona State. So yeah, we see the empty seats, 174 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 3: but it's not the same level of apathy but work. 175 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: To your point, No, you're right on the honeymoon has limits. 176 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: There is an expiration date on all sides. I mean 177 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 3: there is a point where you know, coaches can get 178 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: frustrated with looking at either for access grades, you know, money, 179 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: what have you that that they say, I just can't 180 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: get done here what I want to get done. So 181 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 3: I think we're starting to see I think to your point, 182 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: the sustainability answer is that it's not that's what this 183 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 3: year also will be proven. But then then maybe they 184 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 3: they'll turn back and say, well, it was his health 185 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: all year. And that's a fair point. I got to 186 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 3: be honest from from where we were in August, and 187 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: people who I know, who who know Prime better than 188 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 3: I said that he really was getting was in Texas 189 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,239 Speaker 3: and was so not a factor here personally and physically 190 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 3: while he was recovering from from his cancer surgery. Uh. 191 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: They're surprised that he coached at all. And I kind 192 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: of was too, because I think, in hindsight, if anyone 193 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: would have given him a grace period, you know that 194 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 3: did coach k take a year off or his back 195 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 3: you know, one of those kind of years where they go, 196 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 3: you know, you're good, Just get right and let's do 197 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 3: this right, because to your point, none of this has 198 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 3: really felt right from the get go. It's kind of 199 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: just been like a moving train. And I mean, we're 200 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: used to it being kind of crazy and unorthodox, but 201 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: it's just kind of been on the back foot from 202 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: about half way through that after the second drive against 203 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: Georgia Tech, when they went up and they were plus 204 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 3: three or plus four or whatever and couldn't punch it in, 205 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: which is internal overs, which has kind of been a 206 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 3: theme I think about this season though, get takeaways, go 207 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: do the right things, and they just can't score to 208 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 3: take advantage of it as opposed to a year ago. 209 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: Maybe hindsight he would have taken this year off and 210 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: gotten right. But but you know, thinking conventionally, to go 211 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: into Deon Sanders mind is a is kind of it's 212 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 3: kind of a tricky road to go down because none 213 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 3: of us have never really really been in there and 214 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 3: can see it. But now he's got to wear that. 215 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: You know, he might not have had to wear a 216 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 3: three and nine, but he's probably gonna have to wear 217 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: it this year and that's definitely going to impact the brand, 218 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: impact legacy and it's going to impact the plan and 219 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: going forward, and so I'll be very curious to see 220 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 3: just how deep those adjustments go besides the obvious roster 221 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 3: ones and where those things are, especially if they feel 222 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: good about Juji Lewis and building things around him. 223 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: That was Sean Killer of the Denver post at Sean 224 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: Killer on Twitter. 225 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: You know. 226 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: So it's interesting because when young came here, we knew 227 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: what this was going to be. We knew that this 228 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: was going to be largely a portal school as far 229 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: as that that kind of stuff goes. And at the time, 230 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: that was a novel strategy, and you know, nobody else 231 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: had done it. 232 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: We didn't know if that was sustainable. 233 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: And when we saw right away that there was some 234 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: success at least around it in the second season, what 235 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: happens is you have other schools emulate that philosophy and 236 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: you get diminishing turns on that because other schools with 237 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: more money you are doing the same thing that you did. 238 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: Is prime going to have to switch to more of 239 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: a back to pivot, back to more of a homegrown 240 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: tactic or something where they're getting kids for the long term, 241 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: simply because this portal strategy everybody's doing it now. 242 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: I think a validity to that. I mean, if Texas 243 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 3: Tech can offer twice the money, they're going to get 244 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: twice as good a players to shoo. Right to your point, Yeah, 245 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: it's if it becomes an open binning war. I don't 246 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: think CU is ever going to win, you know, even 247 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: within their own league, you would think they have a 248 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: better shot in the Big twelve, which is such a 249 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: bunch of middlewege Historically, You're You're probably not even in 250 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: the top maybe two or three compared to you. I'm 251 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 3: sure Baylor's got a pretty good kitty. All those Texas 252 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: A low money places are going to have a lot, 253 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: a lot more wiggle room with I think with the 254 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 3: offensive line a defensive line. I've said it from day one. 255 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: I don't think you can build a kind of community 256 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 3: that traditionally you've had while trying to keep piecemealing that. 257 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 3: I think that's just a I don't I don't think 258 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 3: that's a that's sound strategy. I understand why, but I 259 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,599 Speaker 3: think that doesn't work in the long term, and I 260 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: think you have to re examine starting there. Offensive lines 261 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 3: and defensive lines are not free agent skill position guys. 262 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 3: You can't just plug and play and make that happen. 263 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: You've got a good left tackle in Jordan Seton. You've 264 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: got a guy that you can build that offensive line 265 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: around that. You need three more of him, and you 266 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 3: need the time, the teachers and the patients to go 267 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: and establish people around him, because that's an NFL player. 268 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 3: That's a guy that moved. You've you've seen him some 269 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: I'll step out of three. You're like, what are you 270 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: talking about? But I'm not saying I see pine sewell. 271 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 3: But he can move. I like tackles the kongo, I 272 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: like lineman the kongoonment space. He can do that when 273 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 3: he's out. He hasn't been. Uh, but that's kind of 274 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 3: self explanatory. Then yeah, I think you will need some 275 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 3: old school verities. You need to kind of go back 276 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 3: to those basics. But that's that's count, you know. Is 277 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: it counterculture? Is it that in the Superman movie? Is 278 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: it punk to be nice? Is it punk to go slow? 279 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 3: And some one of those lines was there? It is 280 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 3: that the new way to be rebellious is go back 281 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: and get high schoolers and go back to build them 282 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: up in the weight room. I just don't see deon 283 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: Sanders doing that though, because as much as he talks 284 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 3: about I'm impatient. I want it now. This is a 285 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 3: unique time and place in college sports, as you guys know, 286 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 3: and not a lot of people, many, many, many would 287 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: have started saying Coach Prime could never do this with 288 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: his personality and the methodology he wants at any other 289 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 3: time and place in college sports and right now. 290 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 6: Uh. 291 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: And if that changes, well, you know, will he adapt 292 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: to it? I don't. I don't know. I think that's 293 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 3: a million dollars. That's a ten million dollar question that 294 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: See You is paying for. 295 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 6: Uh. 296 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 3: And I will be curious how they mitigate that going forward. 297 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 5: Seaun teelor Denver posts one more for me. You're a 298 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 5: great guest. By the way, you mentioned coach Prime's health issues, 299 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 5: and he's got some serious health issues and he had 300 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 5: those going in and Matt, big props to him for 301 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 5: continuing just day to day grind of coaching a big 302 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 5: time football program and having such a great attitude. 303 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 4: And see you. 304 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 5: Not considered a big football powerhouse like your Michigan, Ohio State, 305 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 5: Alabama's and the rest. And Prime is one of the 306 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 5: highest paid coaches in college football. 307 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 4: And with that you have to win. 308 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 5: He has one winning season sandwich between a couple of 309 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 5: three and four winning seasons at those big football powerhouses 310 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 5: that coach gets fired after a three year start like this, 311 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 5: Am I right? 312 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 4: Yes? 313 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 5: Now, coach Prime's not going to get fired. See who's 314 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 5: not going to do that even if they wanted to, 315 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 5: they couldn't afford it. But what do you think are 316 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 5: the chances that maybe he steps down at the end 317 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 5: of the year. 318 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 3: I think they're less as bad as this is. God, 319 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: does that make sense? I think the brand well, first 320 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: of all, let's go back again. He was the humanist God. 321 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 3: What that doesn't fit to type at all. His health 322 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: is the most important thing. A human being's health and 323 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: their long term longevity. Is a father and a grand 324 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: That man is a father and a grandfather. Go be 325 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: that first. That's that's the most important thing one. So 326 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: I think mother nature and or a doctor is ultimately 327 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: going to if that makes sense, to get to determine 328 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 3: how this ends. He hasn't been good for the brand, 329 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: and the brand will always be there. No one sells, 330 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: No one pitches the way Deon Sanders pitches. It's a gift, 331 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: it's it's earned it it's amazing. I wish I had that. 332 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: I don't. I can barely sell getting out of chores 333 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: and help my honeydee list at home. But the health 334 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: is going to be the most important thing at some point, 335 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 3: and I think that ultimately wherever this ends, I'm not 336 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 3: sure it's now, although you get different whispers and different corners, 337 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: especially with television openings being what they are, and with 338 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 3: someone who is so good in the public eye and 339 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 3: could do again compliment to Deon Sanders, who could do anything, 340 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 3: someone who could do anything with the rest of their lives, 341 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 3: why would they choose to do this? I think the 342 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 3: winning matters. I think getting his close friends and trusted 343 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 3: friends into coaching matters, because a lot of these guys 344 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 3: would not get the kind of jobs they have now 345 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 3: if they didn't have them For him. I think that 346 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 3: kind of patriarchy matters to him. That friendship clearly matters 347 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 3: to him. So I don't know. I every year, last year, 348 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 3: at this time, walk Away win a big twelve. Yeah, 349 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: well they haven't won one yet, So until he does, 350 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: I think staying is always on the table. But your 351 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 3: body's going to decide that man, and maybe a higher 352 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: power than any of us to be frank well. 353 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: You know that's my body has decided that it's it's 354 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: several things. 355 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: We're not gonna get into that right now. 356 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,479 Speaker 1: I was gonna tie that back to Big Mike Conco, 357 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: but I don't know think my Concho would appreciate it. 358 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 3: Sean. 359 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: We appreciate you jumping on. 360 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: As always cloud around with this and giving us some 361 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: great insight and look forward talking against him. 362 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 3: You bet ain't time. 363 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 4: Take care guys. Thank you, Sean. 364 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: Sean Keiller never post that's Sean Keeller on Twitter. I 365 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: think he made some some pretty valid points, you know. Overall, 366 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: with all that, I enjoy his his objective approach to 367 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: to see you, although they may take exception from time 368 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: to time over there when when he speaks some truths 369 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: they don't want to hear. 370 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 5: He was great, a lot of great insights. Is he 371 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 5: still banned from CU? 372 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: I don't know if we should ask, and I don't 373 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 2: know if he's banned. I don't think he's banned. 374 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: I just think that they you know, they certainly didn't 375 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: appreciate his his coverage and you know, I like, I 376 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: get it, but you're not you know, you're not Alabama. 377 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: You can't control coverage. You're not Nick Saban, you can't 378 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: control coverage. You're not Bob Stoop's. You know, you can't 379 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: control coverage as far as that kind of stuff goes. 380 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: And I appreciate that the ore objective people like Sean 381 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: out there who are willing to, you know, to put 382 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: their voice and speak up on some things as well. 383 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, and regarding Coach Prime's health, I think Sean made 384 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 5: a great point. 385 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 4: I mean, life is too short. 386 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 5: I mean, he's got serious health issues, right, and he 387 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 5: has a kid played in the NFL, and you know 388 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 5: how much you would love to watch him play and 389 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 5: be there every week for him. And he mentioned he's 390 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 5: got grandkids and all of that. I I feel like 391 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 5: there's a pretty legit chance that he does decide, hey, 392 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 5: this is enough my health. I got to focus on 393 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 5: my health, focus on my family. And when you look 394 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 5: at him now, Ben, he's not having fun anymore. 395 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 4: So this is in fun anymore. 396 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: It doesn't seem that way. And I suspect that he'll 397 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: be around for Juju and that's probably it. 398 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: I don't think that. To me, Colorado is never a 399 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: long term thing for Deon Sanders. In fact, I've never 400 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: seen anything be a long term thing for Deon Sanders, 401 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: But I'm with you. I I think that he sticks 402 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: with Juju as long as his health allows and then 403 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: probably probably wraps it up and moves on to watching 404 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: his son play ball. 405 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 406 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 5: I think that's that's probably what's gonna happen. Juju is 407 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 5: saying he's coming back, right, Yeah. 408 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: He's saying everything right, And I think there's a connection 409 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: there between the two of them, and I think you 410 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: know that. I think they they feel like that there's 411 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: enough optimism there that they can pull in from the 412 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: portal and recruits this coming season and maybe make a 413 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: big run at it next year. And that's probably the 414 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: decider or going forward in terms of what this thing 415 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: is or is it. SeeU keeps making money off it though, 416 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: so I mean they don't really care as long as 417 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: they're making money. 418 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: But you know, end of the day, that's that's how 419 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 2: it goes. Sometimes we got hit a break. We'll be 420 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: back right after this. 421 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: Nate Rouss and the Format, they had had a couple 422 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: of really really good albums, him and his buddy Sam. 423 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: They had a couple of really good albums. But I 424 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 2: think they put I think they got back together at 425 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: their fun broke up. I'm not a hundred on that. 426 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: I know they were doing some touring and stuff, so. 427 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 4: So we'll see. 428 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, that's music nerd in me for a minute. 429 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 4: Unique sound. Yeah I've ever heard that before. 430 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they did it, really kind of did. 431 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: It was something different in the you know, the kind 432 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: of the pop top forty space that that really nobody 433 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: else was occupying. I thought the three of them were 434 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: all musical geniuses. But you know how that is, Ego 435 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 1: gets in the way, right. 436 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 5: It tends to happen that way, doesn't it been it does, 437 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 5: and just about and everything. 438 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 2: It does, it happens around here. 439 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: You know, I've been wearing a beanie lately, mostly because 440 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: I can not fix my hair. Put the headphones on 441 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: over the beanie and like it doesn't mess with my hearing, 442 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, being super loud or whatever. 443 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: Grant here is saying that I look like a giant stoner. 444 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: Now with with this, with this on, I just how 445 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: can you doubt my fashion mogul credentials at this point? 446 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 4: You know what? 447 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 5: I'm thinking back on that, uh, that wacky haircut you had? 448 00:21:59,080 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 4: What was that like a year? 449 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god, we really that's the one we needed 450 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: to bring up. People didn't know whether to say hi 451 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: or higle or where they walked by like I had to. 452 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: I had to be very very careful when I had 453 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: facial hair that I did not let it get too 454 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: dark right under the nose, because that thing looked straight 455 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: out in nineteen forties Germany. That was not what I 456 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: went in there for at all. And it took like 457 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: three haircuts just to fix that haircut. 458 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 5: Well, I'm surprised you didn't wear a beanie after the haircut, 459 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 5: So now you're wearing a beanie. 460 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: Well, I wore my white baseball cap, but then everybody 461 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: got upset at that because they said it was too dirty. 462 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: You know, it had gone from white to maybe San 463 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine or helmet brown at that point, my 464 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: Chenkin's Elite ball cap. 465 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 466 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 5: Well, you know, you and I we don't follow trends. 467 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 4: I think we're more trend setters, is what we are. 468 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: Fashion vocals. 469 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 5: Dare I say yeah, people, I think I don't think 470 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 5: they even really know the full scope of the various 471 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 5: trends that we've started over the years. The most, I think, 472 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 5: the one that most people know about with me is 473 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 5: the lineman the corona, right, right, and that's that's documented. 474 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 4: You're the black v neck thing. Now, how long you've 475 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 4: been wearing that. 476 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: It's been a while. I mean that started. 477 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: Gosh, I started doing that when I was uh, when 478 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: I was in the army, so it would have had 479 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: to been the sometime after. See when I start doing that. 480 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: Sometime after five before twenty ten was when I started 481 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: doing it. 482 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 2: So I've been doing it twenty years. 483 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 5: So you mentioned the army too, and so you also 484 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 5: you were wearing camo before it became fashionable. 485 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, of course it was for my job, 486 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: but yes, yes, I was right. 487 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 5: Right, So I mean so, yeah, Hunters have been wearing 488 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 5: camo forever, but it became a fashion statement, and so 489 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 5: you were ahead of that trend as well. 490 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that one I didn't carry over much into the 491 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: civilian life, but I wanted people to see me, I 492 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: guess at that point. But I've also noticed that there 493 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: are people wearing the short leg sweatpants over the last 494 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: couple of years. That was ready to catch on. So 495 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: I may have to go with full length sweatpants here soon. 496 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: I know. I can remember the first time I think 497 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: you saw. 498 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: Me in those when we're out in La together in 499 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: the you know, the kind of h what is the 500 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: capri sweatpants? 501 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 4: I guess, well, I'll never forget. 502 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 5: Yes, we were walking through a part of uh Los 503 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 5: Angeles that well it's a gay part of Los Angeles 504 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 5: West Alliwden. 505 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 4: You could just say it, okay, West Hollywood. And we 506 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 4: were walking and you were getting a lot of. 507 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: Looks there, I know, and I had to like I 508 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: had to stop somebody and say, look, I'm up here. 509 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 4: Didn't it make you a little bit uncomfortable? 510 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 5: All of those guys just you just go and gaga 511 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 5: over you walking down the street. 512 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: Look, I mean, Rick, it's anytime you have a moment 513 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: to feel attractive, especially at this advanced age, I have to. 514 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: I have to kind of take it, you know, like, hey, 515 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: I still got it, even if it's not necessarily the 516 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: reciprocal in my case, you know, and I know I 517 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: have no you know, it's it's it's whatever. I as 518 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: matter of fact, today I was just today I was 519 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: pointing out I think during our texta in an email exchange, 520 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: like why is your hotmail account spelled m A L E. 521 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 5: My mind, you're talking about Yeah, that that that goes back, Well. 522 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 2: That goes back is that where Big Mike hanho original 523 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: it originated. 524 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 4: I hate to say it, you know I was. I was. 525 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 5: I was in Playgirl magazine every Did you know that 526 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 5: for real? 527 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: I was? 528 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: No, I didn't know for real, I'm not. 529 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 4: Making it up. 530 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 5: I was in Playgirl magazine and and it was it 531 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 5: was like the they did a feature every year, like. 532 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 4: The hottest DJs in America thing. 533 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 7: So this is post Fast Break, Yes, post Fast Break. 534 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 7: And uh I wasn't naked by the way. No, No, 535 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 7: but I taste nudity. No, not even semi nudity. No, 536 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 7: I refuse to do that. 537 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 5: But I was wearing short shorts in the tank top 538 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 5: and looking back at the picture, it's it's it's cringe worthy. 539 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: It's this top gun beach volleyball scene level. 540 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 4: Yes, you know it was late eighties. It was a 541 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 4: late eighties look that. 542 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: Did you have a fanny pack? Did you have the jem? 543 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 5: No? No, I kind of regret doing it. And nobody's 544 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 5: seen the picture. By the way, I think I went 545 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 5: out and bought every single one of the magazines to 546 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 5: make sure that nobody else could buy them, and I've 547 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 5: kept one magazine and I've got it in storage somewhere 548 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 5: in the house. I'm not sure quite quite aware, but 549 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 5: I wasn't. I wasn't proud of it. Ben Well, I. 550 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: Mean, look, look, I I know I straight up told 551 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: our boss Dave Tepper when I when when he started 552 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: your look, you know, if you ever need to let 553 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: me know if any of these segments call for tasteful nudity, 554 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: because I'll. 555 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 4: Do it now. You volunteered. 556 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: Okay, it's the radio, but I mean, you know whatever, 557 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: as far as that goes, I just wanted to put that, 558 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: put that out there. 559 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 2: I can't even give it straight something, but tasteful. Yes, 560 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 2: we have we do have. A text was to know 561 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 2: if you wore a spiked collar. 562 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 5: No I did not, but I'm saw where you're going 563 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 5: with that. I might have had. You know, I definitely 564 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 5: had something around my neck. Yeah, I definitely had something. 565 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 4: It was really stupid and I. 566 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: Was, uh, what like, did somebody approach you and just like, hey, 567 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: would you do a shoot for us? 568 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 4: Yeah? I was working in LA at the time. 569 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 5: Okay, and uh we did the photo shoot at my 570 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 5: gym was like this meadhead gym that I worked out 571 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 5: at and so I make these short shorts, a really 572 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 5: skimpy tank top, and I'm holding a dumbbell sitting on 573 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 5: the bumper of a classic car that was in the 574 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 5: parking lot. 575 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's just a natural pose. 576 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 4: It seems stylish. 577 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 5: Right at the time, it seemed like, hey, this is 578 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 5: this if they were telling me, oh, this is a 579 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 5: great book, this is a great shot. 580 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 4: And then when it came out, I wasn't too proud 581 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 4: of it. 582 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 2: No, that's what you didn't tell You didn't send it 583 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 2: to mom. That'd be weird. 584 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it would be. It would be weird. Yeah, And 585 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 4: that's back then. 586 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 5: There's another trend that I started back then in the 587 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 5: eighties was cutting up my shirts. You know, you take 588 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 5: a regular T shirt, Yeah, take scissors to it and 589 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 5: cut it up where it looked like a tank top, like, yeah, 590 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 5: cut the sleeves up. Yeah, well more than the sleeves, 591 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 5: you're pretty much exposing pretty much two thirds of your upper. 592 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: Torso, oh did you did you crop top it? 593 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? 594 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 5: I mean okay, yeah, and this is what all the 595 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 5: bodybuilders were doing in California at the time. 596 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was okay. So I've there's the shirt. I 597 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,479 Speaker 1: cut the sleeves out. I was just trying to get 598 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, more than just the sleeves. Yeah, but I can't. 599 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: I mean, like, look, I couldn't. You know, you were 600 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: trying to show off the six pack. I got the 601 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: whole keg. And so that's that's not a scenario where you, 602 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, you want to cut shirts off if you're me, 603 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, and have that sloshing around out there for 604 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: the public to see. 605 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 5: No, it's nothing you want to do now. I would 606 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 5: never do that today. No, I thought you still. 607 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: I thought maybe you were out there, you know, with 608 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: the the Rickulus project, you were out there with the 609 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: crop top. 610 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 7: You know. 611 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: I'm not seated, but I was looking forward to seeing. 612 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 5: Now those days are behind me. Man, I'm wearing double exiles. 613 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 5: I'm not wearing tight shirts anymore. 614 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: I've gone from the small to this medium, you know 615 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: on my So I definitely understand. I don't understand where 616 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,719 Speaker 1: you come from. The text line said Ben think flash 617 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: dance for rick. 618 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 4: Uh not quite, No, not quite, but maybe the shirt. 619 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just that seems shirt. 620 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 621 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but that was a look. 622 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: Back then though, if you were especially if you were 623 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: an athlete or had an athletic body like that was 624 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: the look back then. Now nowadays you look at that going, 625 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: oh my god, you know, but back. 626 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: Then there was the look. 627 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 4: It sure was. Yeah, and at that time I could 628 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 4: pull it off. 629 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: Now I you know me with the you know, it 630 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: was it was the thing body by Jake, you know, 631 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: the workout equipment body. 632 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, I've got body by ice cream right now. 633 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 5: So that's I look like a potato and a T shirt. 634 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 5: Did you ever work out? Was there a time when 635 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 5: you went through like where you were really fit? Obviously 636 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 5: in the army? Yeah, I was a master fittest trainer 637 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 5: in the army. Okay, yeah, but you were never a 638 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 5: body builder. 639 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: Not a body builder, but I had a like, my 640 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: physique was different up until about shoot, what years is 641 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: twenty five up until about I don't know, ten years ago, 642 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: ninety years ago, somewhere in there, and then I kind 643 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: of let myself go a little bit and then go 644 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: a lot. 645 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 4: Have you had your estrogen testosterone levels checked? 646 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: I have not. I don't know that there's much estrogen here. 647 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 6: We're still waiting on that endorsement Rick for Broncos Country. 648 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 5: Well, I'm just saying Rocky Mountain MAT's Clinic, by the way, 649 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 5: you should get checked out. 650 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: Okay, seriously, Oh maybe I'll do that. 651 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is not a commercial, but I mean seriously, 652 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 5: it can change your life. 653 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 2: Well. 654 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: And it's like I got back into working out again, 655 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, just this summer and started like started slimming down, 656 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: lost most of that weight. Now got off it for 657 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, put the you know, got some jump, 658 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: got junk food again and it put it comes back 659 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: on real quick when you when you get away from it. 660 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 4: That happens. Yep. So what you hit about man mid 661 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 4: thirties to forty. 662 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. 663 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: Really, it really is because as I said back in 664 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: my back in my late twenties and early thirties, like 665 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: I said, but I was, I was us Army Master, 666 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: fittest trainer. 667 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 2: I was that was fit. Uh and I am just 668 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: not right now. 669 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: I've really got to really got to work at it 670 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: in order to in order to do all that. So 671 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: Broncos Country Tonight coming up next, I believe Grant will 672 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: be hosting Broncos Country Tonight. 673 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 2: I am We've got Steve Atwater in studio tonight. 674 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 6: Stolen from you tomorrow, and we've got a Cody Rourke 675 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 6: from Mile High Sports. And then also, I think this 676 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 6: is an interesting guest. We'll see how it plays on 677 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 6: the air. Her name is Dez. She started an Instagram 678 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 6: account called Broncos for Dummies. She's a diehard Broncos fan 679 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 6: and she just explains the sports to people who really 680 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 6: don't know what sports are, don't know the intricate. 681 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 4: Right. 682 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 6: My wife follows her so she can at least talk 683 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 6: to me somewhat. 684 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: You know about the Broncos. 685 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: Well, that'll be a Broncos Country tonight premiere tonight. Then 686 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: that's right, all right? Looking for to that. Rick Blast 687 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: is always I cannot stress that enough, man, And we'll 688 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: chat here soon. I got to get out to another 689 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: ROLP show whatever you have one. 690 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: I gotta be your drum tech. You can't leave at home. 691 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's that's your job now. 692 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,479 Speaker 2: I put it on a business card, just as Benjamin. 693 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: I'll break drum tech. 694 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, man, And I'll as soon as we get 695 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 5: to full schedule out. I want to make sure you 696 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 5: block all those days out on your busy calendar hundred percent. 697 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. We got to Hit a Break, 698 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: Broncos Country Tonight Up next. 699 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: You're on koa