1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: He's night Side with Dan Ray i WBZ, Boston's new Radio. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 2: All right, so we're gonna switch topics here too. Again. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: I think you know different and interesting topics that we 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: dealt with tonight at nine and ten. I hope you 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: enjoyed him. Jordan Riches. It's a book about Jordan called 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: Jordan's Rich Journey about his battle with Parkinson's. He reminded 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: me after we got off the air I talked with 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: him just after ten o'clock that he has a website 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: which is simply Jordan Rich dot com. Uh, and you 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: can get all the information you might want to about 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: the book at Jordan Rich dot com. J O R 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: D A N R I C H dot com. And 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: then last hour talk with Tim Beard, an author, former 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: again never former Marine Corps captain for nine years in 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties who then worked as a CIA agent 16 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: for two decades into this century. And he has written 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: really a series of books, a trilogy if you will, 18 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 2: three books, Volume one, Volume two, which is coming out 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: next month, and volume three coming out in March. Your 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: guy just staying safe in an unsafe world, and he 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: breaks it down into different categories and all you have 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: to do is go to his website, Tim beardauthor dot 23 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: com and get all the information you need. So those 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: are two i think different type topics which we try 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: to do. But we're back to Minnesota tonight at eleven 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: o'clock because there has been on the surface, it seems 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: as if at least there's been some face to face 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: meetings and will break this down for you. It sounds 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: to me like there's no agreement yet. I'm not sure 30 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: that these two groups can get to agreement. And by 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: that I mean the Democratic political leadership of Minnesota, which 32 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: includes Governor Tim Walls and Mayor Jacob Fry of Minneapolis, 33 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: and the Trump administration. The Trump administration has given in 34 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: somewhat in the last few days, amongst other things, after 35 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: the the killing of Alex Pretty on Saturday morning, the 36 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: decision by the President was to remove the guy that 37 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 2: was in charge of the Border patrols operations in Minneapolis, 38 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: Greg Bovino. He had been a real presence and had 39 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: had strutted around and as the President described him today, 40 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: mister Boveno is a pretty out there kind of guy, uh, 41 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: he said during a Fox News interview this afternoon, and 42 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: he continued to say in some cases, it's good, maybe 43 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: it's not good here. So whether or not you think 44 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: the White House made a bad selection, I guess he's 45 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: in charge of a sector in California, and on his watch, 46 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: two Minnesota residents have died at the hands of ice officers. 47 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 2: So Tom Holman met today, and I think most people 48 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: know who Tom Homan is. With the Governor of Minnesota, 49 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: Tim Walls and the Mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry separate meetings, 50 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: they weren't together Walls's office following the meeting. Now again, 51 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: Walls had talked to the President yesterday. Would have loved 52 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: to have been on that phone call to listen in. 53 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: But Walls released a meeting, released a statement from his 54 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: office in Saint Paul, which is the capital of Minnesota, 55 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: and which he said that he and Homan had agreed 56 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: to continue working towards the state's goals. Well, the state's 57 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: goals are not the same as the FED. This is 58 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: according to The New York Times, an article that just 59 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: declared at a twenty two tonight and quoting from the article, 60 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: the state's goals are quote a swift reduction in federal 61 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: forces on the ground, impartial investigations into Minneapolis shootings involving 62 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: federal agents and an end to the campaign of retribution 63 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: against Minnesota. Well, I don't know to what extent Holman 64 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: can agree to any of that. Meanwhile, mister Fry, the 65 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: mayor of Minneapolis, according to the New York Times article, 66 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: said that today he and his police chief, Brian O'Hara, 67 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: had also spoken with mister Holman on Tuesday, calling their 68 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: meeting productive. However, Fry said quote according to the article, 69 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 2: I reiterated that my main ask is for Operation retro 70 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: SARCH to end as quickly as possible. I don't know 71 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 2: that politically Trump can do that. Maybe you think he can. Maybe. 72 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: According to the Times, the Trump administration's immigration enforcement campaign 73 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: in Minneapolis, three thousand agents have flooded Minnesota. We know 74 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: that number, but then making, according to the Times, thousands 75 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: of arrests and prompting mass protests, treat confrontation and widespread fear. Well, 76 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 2: I don't know how many arrests they have made in 77 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: this atmosphere. I haven't seen a list. I hope that 78 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: at some point we would see a list. Meanwhile, in 79 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: Ohio this afternoon, speaking at again in just a different 80 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: New York Times article, that cleared it nine to two tonight, 81 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: speaking in Ohio Tuesday at a rally build as an 82 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: address as an address in the economy, and Trump veered 83 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: near the end into it what the Times now is 84 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: calling a tirade. Okay, I mean, this isn't a news article. 85 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: It's a tirade in which he vilified the thousands of 86 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: people arrested by ICE in Minnesota. Yet I don't know 87 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: how many thousands, falsely describing them as hardened, vicious, horrible criminals. 88 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 2: I don't think you have to put falsely in there, 89 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: because it's his quotes, his definition, hardened, vicious, horrible criminals. 90 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: They go on to say that the President raised the 91 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: specter of immigrants who may quote blow up our shopping centers, 92 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 2: blow up our farms, and kill people. That didn't have 93 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: to be characterized in any way. That stands for itself. 94 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: While speaking near des moines that two percent of the 95 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: population causes ninety percent of the crime. Probably right on 96 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: that figure. Actually, he added, so when you start decimating 97 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: the two percent boom, miming a falling gesture with one 98 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: finger as he spoke. In reality, most of the immigrants 99 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: that ICE has arrested in city crackdown since mister Trump 100 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: took office, have no criminal record. I don't know about that. 101 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: In Washington, in which mister Trump characterized in his speech 102 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,119 Speaker 2: as a horrible crime ridden city, before his recent show 103 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: of force, only two percent of those arrested by ice 104 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: had been convicted of a crime. I assuming, I assume 105 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: the New York Times is accurate, but that surprises me. 106 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: And then, of course Tim Hogan has spokesman for the 107 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: Democratic National Committee, criticized mister Trump's rhetoric towards detained migrants 108 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: as dangerous, saying that voters will hold him accountable in 109 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: November's mid term elections. Well, let us go to min 110 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: soda and let's chat about it. I think that Trump 111 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: was elected by in twenty twenty four to close the 112 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: border and get rid of people who are here illegally 113 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: and have criminal records. Now I have criticized Trump, President Trump, 114 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: the Trump administration when they have gone over the top. 115 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: Last night we talked a little bit about the shooting 116 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: of this gentleman. Mister pretty seemed to me to be 117 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: a little over the top under the circumstances and what 118 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: I observed. However, I think if you take a step 119 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: back and you look at what they're attempting to accomplish. 120 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: I think the Democrats might find themselves in a position 121 00:08:54,240 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: where they are defending people not only who are here legally, 122 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: that have caused harm. It's up to the Trump administration, 123 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: which they have failed to do so far, is to publicize, 124 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: publicize as fully as possible, who were being arrested, where 125 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 2: they are from, what is their immigration status, and what 126 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: crimes have they been accused of or better yet convicted of. 127 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: That would be my belief on it. In the Times. 128 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: One of the Times article, I'll end with this. In 129 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: the same interview, mister Trump described mister Homan, longtime immigration 130 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: enforcement official by the way, who was awarded a medal 131 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: when he worked during the Obama administration by President Obama 132 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: himself in a White House ceremony. Holman, a longtime immigration 133 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: enforcement official, played a central role at implementing the Trump 134 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: administration's family separation policy during the president's first term, as 135 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: a quote tough guy who nevertheless got along well with 136 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 2: governors and mayors. Tell that to Mayor Woo, and tell 137 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 2: that to Governor Healey. Here in Massachusetts, here are the 138 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: numbers who backs down the Democratic politicians or the Trump 139 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: administration because something's got to give. I think that there's 140 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 2: a way in which there could be a compromise we 141 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: both could claim victory. I'll talk about that when I 142 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 2: come back. But I'm not sure that either one of 143 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: them wants to allow a sufficient amount of credit to 144 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: go to the other side. I think we are in 145 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: one of these intractable solutions, which for the moment seems 146 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: to have simmered down. But all you need is one 147 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: more ugly incident and it'll be game on. I want 148 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: to hear who's right here. Do you think the Trump 149 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 2: administration now needs to back off its stated goals of 150 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: getting criminal immigrants out of the country. I don't think 151 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: that's a good idea for the Trump administration. And do 152 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: you think the Democrats run the risk of perhaps maybe 153 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 2: defending people in their states by not cooperating with the 154 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: efforts by the federal government. I keep coming back to 155 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: US versus Arizona twenty twelve, in which essentially the court 156 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: said immigration law in America is preempted by the federal 157 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: government six seven two thirty six seven nine three, one 158 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: ten thirty. Let's light it up and got a little 159 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: heated last night I'm willing to deal with that. Wherever 160 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 2: you're coming from, I would love to know what you 161 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: think and how you think this this situation will end. 162 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: Will it end in a government shut down? The Democrats 163 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: sum in Congress is saying they will not extend funding 164 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: uh and that for for certain agencies, including ICE and 165 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: homeland security. I think that would be a mistake by 166 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 2: the Democrats, but that made mistakes before six one, six, one, 167 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: seven nine. Let's light it up. We'll get it going 168 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: right after this. 169 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 170 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: We are talking about Minneapolis, and I think that, uh, 171 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: there's a there's interesting arguments on both sides of this issue, 172 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: and that's what we try to do here on Nightside, 173 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: tried to I want you to listen to the callers 174 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: with whom you disagree, and I want you to be 175 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: prepared to call and uh and and state your your 176 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: point of view on this. I think about this event 177 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: which took the life on Saturday morning of the ICU 178 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: nurse mister Pretty, Alex Pretty, and I think of the 179 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: outrage that occurred at the same time. I think about 180 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 2: the Georgia nursing student Lincoln Riley who was killed by 181 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: an illegal immigrant who never should have been here, and 182 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: I don't remember the same level of anger in the streets. 183 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: I think this should have been anger for both because 184 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: in both cases they were American citizens who died unnecessarily. 185 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: I would have hoped, and I don't know enough about 186 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: what exactly happened on Saturday. You can look at the 187 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 2: video and you can take whatever point of view you want, 188 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: but there certainly were a large group of agents who 189 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 2: had had Alex pretty pinned to the ground. I don't 190 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: think he represented a threat to the agents. You might 191 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: disagree with me, but I do know that Riley Lincoln, 192 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: a University of Georgia nursing student out for a jog, 193 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: was brutally murdered by someone who should not be in 194 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: the country. How do you balance it off? Let me 195 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: go first up this hour to Scott and Quincy. Hey, Scott, 196 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 2: it's been a while. Welcome back. How are you, sir? 197 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 3: Hey Dan, I'm alive and well in the car on 198 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: the expressway right now, driving home from Past General. 199 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: Yes, but you thought, as somebody who was in the 200 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: medical field, I just talked about two individuals who maybe 201 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: unnecessarily lost their. 202 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 4: Lives well, yes, indeed, I would say that's the case, 203 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 4: and that I wrote this on my Facebook page. ICE 204 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 4: seems to have too many Barney Feiffe and not enough 205 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 4: Sheriff Andy Taylor's in their ranks. 206 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: Well that's a pretty good one. Oh you need is 207 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: one who has made a mistake. I just again, I 208 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: don't want to prejudge what has happened. Let's have a 209 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: full investigation. Let's make sure it's done honestly and above board, 210 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: so that everybody can be satisfied with what happened. You know, 211 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: not with what happened, but the explanation of what happened, 212 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: and if there was action taken by the ICE officers 213 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: which clearly was unnecessary and across someone's life, then they 214 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: have to be held accountable. Sadly, it's a tough job, 215 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: but you know, officers cannot kill people. At the same time, 216 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: I want to see what the facts were, and I've 217 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: never been an ICE officer. I've never been rest with 218 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: someone who I thought might have been armed. There was 219 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: a let's see, let's let's get all the information and 220 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: get it out in the public. Simple as that we 221 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: know what happened to Lake and Riley. She was basically 222 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: attack while she was out for a morning jog by 223 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 2: a guy who shouldn't have been in the country. Where 224 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: was the outemas? 225 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 3: I agree with all of that, and you know, one 226 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: of the things that I have been talking about is 227 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 3: if the state and local police in Minneapolis had brought 228 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: offices to the scenes of those ice events and established 229 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 3: a safety court and had the job of riot control 230 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: and protester control like they should have been, those deaths 231 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: would have been prevented. Those protesters shouldn't have been able 232 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: to get that close to an active federal law enforcement 233 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 3: operation if the local and state police in that state 234 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 3: happened doing their jobs properly, is my take on it. 235 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 2: I agree with you totally on that, and I know 236 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 2: that that not everyone in our audience will agree with 237 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: that take, But it seems to me that there should 238 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 2: have been coordination ahead of time. There should have been 239 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: cooperation ahead of time. There should have been whatever limits 240 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: people wanted to impose that was possible. They could have said, look, 241 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 2: we're going to do these only during the day. We're 242 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 2: not going to do them at night because our officers 243 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 2: don't want to be in a situation. I can understands 244 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: there's a way, there's a way to have done it, 245 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 2: if the politicians would have just gotten gotten out of 246 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: the way. And there's this other investigation going on out there, 247 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: dealing with a lot of fraud and a lot of money, 248 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: and I believe that Waltz and Fry might find them 249 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 2: eves in the middle of that tornado as well. I 250 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: want them to be treated fairly. If they allowed money 251 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: to be utilized wrong wrongfully, they need to be held accountable. If, 252 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: on the other hand, they should not become targeted in 253 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: an investigation, because things do go wrong, not only in 254 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: places like Minnesota, but places like Michigan, Montana, Massachusetts and 255 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: every other state of the Union. 256 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 3: Yes, And the last thing I'll say is the opjects 257 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 3: on the way the ICE operators are dressed, carrying them 258 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 3: four rifles, wearing military garb and full body armor, couple 259 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 3: our helmets. That's just not a good look. They should 260 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 3: really be dressed as police officers, you know, just wearing 261 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 3: basic blue jackets that say ICE on the back, with 262 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: their body armor underneath. And all they really need is 263 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: you know, the standard M nine pistol side arm. They 264 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: don't need to go in there with, you know, heavy 265 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 3: duty military slot gear and tactics. 266 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 2: I think it's I think it depends, so I'll disagree 267 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: with you slightly. I think it depends on who you're 268 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 2: going after. If you're going after you know gang members, 269 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 2: either MS thirteen trend Ogara or you know gang members, 270 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 2: I think you may want to be a little more 271 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: prepared for a gunfight as opposed to if you're going 272 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 2: after if you're going into a place where, let's say 273 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: you think that there are people who are working somewhere 274 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, in some sort of a 275 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 2: manufacturing plant illegally, you go in there, I think with 276 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 2: something more equivalent to what you're talking about in terms 277 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: of presentation. 278 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 3: Well, yes, they could carry an MP five sub machine 279 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 3: gun under their jacket like the Secret Service to it. 280 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 3: It wouldn't be visib able to the public and an inflammatory, 281 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 3: but you know, you would have plenty of firepower if 282 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: they had to, you know, pull it off from under 283 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 3: the right. 284 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: But I'm saying that sounds that sounds okay. But if 285 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: they were going to hit let us say, a property, 286 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: and they knew there were you know, hard gang members 287 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: in there, I think that the way they have done 288 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 2: it would have been to have the local police alerted 289 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: ahead of time. The local police would have established a perimeter, 290 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 2: and at that point ICE would have gone in and 291 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: done what they had to do and brought with them 292 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: whatever they needed to do to accomplish the task. That's, 293 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: you know, particularly if you're talking about Harden. Then the 294 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: other question is, I want to know how many illegal 295 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: immigrants who have committed crimes are incarcerated in Minnesota and 296 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: why have they not been turned over voluntarily by Minnesota 297 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: authorities to ICE, because that seems to be a bit 298 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: of a problem as well. 299 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 4: Well. 300 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 3: I agree that if the local police pick up someone 301 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 3: with an immigration detainer on, they should turn them over, 302 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 3: But I guess Governor Waltz doesn't believe that, and. 303 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 2: Well have he should go read you know, US versus 304 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: Arizona and the holding in that case, in which another governor, 305 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 2: a Republican Jan Brewer, was told by the U Supreme 306 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 2: Court that the federal law preempts immigration law and that 307 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: Arizona could not pass statutes to establish immigration law which 308 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: was different from the federal government. It basically said, we 309 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: could not have fifty sets of immigration law in America. 310 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: It's it's an interesting decision. People should should catch up 311 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: with it a little more quickly. 312 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 3: Okay, yes, indeed, Janiel, thanks God right. 313 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: Great to hear your points of view. I don't be 314 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: a stranger. Okay, thanks and talk to you soon. 315 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 3: Absolutely fine, have a great night. 316 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 2: Six one seven thirty. Got a couple of lines there. Uh, 317 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: the other lines are fulls. The only lines we want 318 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: to get in right now, and we will get you 319 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: on before well before midnight. Six one seven four ten thirty. 320 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: Talking about Minnesota, there were meetings today between Tom Holk, 321 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: Tom Homan, and Governor Walls, Tom Holman and Mayor Fry. 322 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: I don't think there were any agreements based upon the 323 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 2: reporting that we have seen. I don't know what that 324 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 2: does to the set situation or the circumstances. It's up 325 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: to you to join this conversation and let's talk. Is 326 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: there a resolution that can be acceptable to both sides, 327 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: the Trump administration and the Minnesota politicians. I think that's 328 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 2: what it comes down to. Trump's emissary is Tom Holman. 329 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: I don't think we want to have Mayor Woo involved 330 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: in that conversation because, uh, Tom Holman and Mayor Wou 331 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: seem to be diametrically opposed. Maybe Waltz and Fry can 332 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: come up with something that Holman will agree to, but 333 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 2: ultimately the president will have to agree to. It's gonna 334 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 2: be interesting to watch this. You think you think negotiating 335 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 2: Ukraine Russia is tough, this won't be this. This will 336 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 2: be tough as well. Back on nights Side. 337 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Boston's News Radio. 338 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: Back to the phones. Ago, Bernie's up in New Hampshire. Bernie, 339 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 2: your thought on what is going on in Minnesota? How 340 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 2: does this play out? 341 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 5: How are we doing tonight? 342 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 6: Dan doing great? 343 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: Bernie, thanks for calling in, Go right ahead. 344 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, two things. First off, this is gonna be the 345 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 5: Democrat stand. They're gonna this is what's gonna hold up 346 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 5: the bell and they go. He was just as they're 347 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 5: they're standing up for the little people. And we all 348 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 5: knew that something had to happen, and Trump is making 349 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 5: it happen because of all the immigration crisis and unfortunately 350 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 5: across a man in his life, and you know that's 351 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 5: that's that's what they're going to stand on, not not 352 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 5: the principle of Trump trying to clean up what he's 353 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 5: trying to clean up, or a country trying to clean 354 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 5: it up because what Blake and Riley was a horrible 355 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 5: thing that happened. Like you said, there wasn't much of 356 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 5: an outright it was something, but it was mostly by 357 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 5: Republicans and Trump him. 358 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I again, we've we've injected politics into 359 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 2: this thing, which I think is uh is problematical. You 360 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 2: would you would hope that as a country, everybody, Democrats 361 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 2: and Republicans would agree that people who were here legally 362 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: and have cremated crimes got to go, period. But we 363 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 2: can't even get we can't even get that agreement. Now. Again, 364 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: there are some Democrats, including amongst others, Senator Fetterman of Pennsylvania, 365 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: who's been pretty straightforward on this and he's almost been 366 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 2: a little defensive of ICE. I want to get your 367 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: reaction to what John Fetterman had to say. This is 368 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: cut number two. He's a Democrat from Pennsylvania. Cut number two. 369 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 7: Please rop the latest statistics that I've seen about ICE, 370 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 7: the people that national wide, national wide, they have deported 371 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 7: about two thirds of the ones that have criminal whether 372 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 7: a record or they were actually active in criminal behaviors 373 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 7: two thirds. So that's what I think America, the best 374 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 7: majority of America wants to deport those folks. And now 375 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 7: for me, I never ever compare anybody to Nazis or 376 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 7: the Gestapo or for those kinds of things you know, 377 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 7: Nazis are are just that's just not appropriate. And that's 378 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 7: why I refuse to do that or refer to Republicans 379 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 7: or parts parts of Ice. They're not Nazis. Now for 380 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 7: for for me, that's something as a Democrat, I refuse 381 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 7: to ever engage. 382 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 2: In pretty rational reasonable comment by John Fetterman. 383 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, because as we will well I'm not going 384 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 5: to generalize all Democrats, but they do like to sling much, 385 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 5: you know, and stop the name Colin because they don't 386 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 5: have for lack of an argument that they'll stop like 387 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 5: just putting things down to make themselves look better, you know. 388 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 5: And that's the Democrats. 389 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 2: Wait, let me get you. I want to have you 390 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 2: respond to one other thing. So now we have professor 391 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 2: Jonathan Turley who was a commentator on Fox. He's a 392 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 2: pretty conservative guy, but this is what he had to 393 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 2: say about the shooting of Alex pretty And and I 394 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: tend to agree with with his early impression. Cut number eight, Rob. 395 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 8: Well, I do believe that there was an unforced error 396 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 8: with regard to the administration and their initial accounts of 397 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 8: this shooting. Those accounts are not born out by those videotapes. 398 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 8: I mean, it does not appear that he was threatening 399 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 8: the officer. It appears that this certainly escalated after that 400 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 8: first contact, and that is not the impression you received 401 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 8: from those early statements. 402 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 2: So so the one an we have John Fetterman, a Democrat, 403 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: saying that the character was characterizing Republicans as nazi is 404 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: nazis absolutely inappropriate. We got Professor Turley, who's been a 405 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: supporter of the administration for the most part, saying that, hey, uh, 406 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: their their view of it doesn't appear to be what 407 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: he saw in the video, which I thought, those are 408 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: two fairly reasonable viewpoints in which a Democrat kind of 409 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 2: supports the Republicans and a conservative law school professor kind 410 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,479 Speaker 2: of supports the people who are concerned about what they 411 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: saw in the behavior of the ice personnel. I thought 412 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: it was interesting, Yes it is. 413 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 4: You know. 414 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 5: The funny thing is that I'm the conservative voice and 415 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 5: work I work in mass and today I had that 416 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 5: very same stance, you know. Uh, there were a few 417 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 5: of the fellas were saying, uh, you know he was 418 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 5: impeding this and that. I said, listen, he was, he was. 419 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 5: He was using his First Amendment right. I don't necessarily 420 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 5: have to be what Alex said, but he certainly has 421 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 5: every right to say it. Yeah, the other question what done? 422 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 2: But the only question is this, Okay, he was actually 423 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 2: involved in whatever the ice officers were doing. I don't 424 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: know that he had. He could stand and take pictures 425 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: and hold a sign, but once he sort of tried 426 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 2: to go in and and interject himself between what the 427 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: ice officer was doing with the woman, I don't know 428 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: that that's that speech, right, I. 429 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 5: Understand what you're saying, but for him to show up there, 430 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 5: and then the second part they were saying is why 431 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 5: would he bring a gun? Not a smart moved in. 432 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 5: I agree, but it is just a second Amendment right 433 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 5: to have that gun on him for all legal and 434 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 5: lawful purposes. And while with you on that. 435 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is I don't think it's lawful. 436 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: I think he could have been arrested clearly for inte 437 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: hearing with you know, the arrest of whatever was going on. 438 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: I mean, he's he he introduced himself into this. This confrontation, 439 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: and that's not We don't have a right if if 440 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 2: I see the police pull over some guy on the road, 441 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: even if it's you. Let's assume I'm you know, I'm 442 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: driving home and I and I say, jeez, Bernie, just 443 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: get pulled over there. I don't have a right to 444 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: pull over and jump out of my car and say, hey, 445 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: well hey, that's my bell, Bernie, get leave him alone. 446 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: You know what the cops are going to say to me, 447 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 2: Get back in your car, get out of here. And 448 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: if I don't, I could we go to the Who's call. Hey, Bernie, 449 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 2: I got a screwed here because I'm way past my brain. 450 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 5: Thank you a good night. 451 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: All right, thanks very much. Let's keep rolling here. We're 452 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 2: gonna try to get as many folks in as we can. 453 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 2: Bernie drops off. We have one line open at six, 454 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: one seven, Come on right back on night Side. 455 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with. 456 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: As we as we often do, we have pack lines. 457 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to try to get everybody in. Let's try 458 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: to be as direct as we can. Linda in Weymouth 459 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: in North Weymouth, Linda, ahead. 460 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 9: Yes, I good evening, jan thank you for taking my car. 461 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 9: Welcome in my opinion, and it's only my opinion in 462 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 9: just watching everything and listening to different news channels, and 463 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 9: all these ICE police that are coming in to Minneapolis 464 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 9: to do their job, they're going into and already prepared 465 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 9: hostile environments created by Governor Wallas and and and Fry 466 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 9: the mayor if I have that correct, might have them back. 467 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 2: No, no is governor, Governor Watson, mayor Fry. So so 468 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: how can how can the Trump administration then deal with them? 469 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 2: How can they reach a compromise? 470 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 9: Well, I I was I was also going to say that, 471 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 9: and they are and they have these professional agitators that 472 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 9: know exactly where they're going to where these iations are 473 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 9: going to be and go, and they get them all 474 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 9: rouled up, and they get the citizens and the police 475 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 9: aren't helping them. So it seems to me like the 476 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 9: Trump administration, I'm glad that that that that they they 477 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 9: went in and they're going to have to have a conversation, 478 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 9: but they they need to the police and uh and 479 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 9: the mayor and the governor need to do positive speeches 480 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 9: and explain why ICE is there and not call them 481 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 9: Nazis and and and and tell them they don't Well, so. 482 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 2: You agree with with the Democratic Senator John Fetterman at 483 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 2: that point. Okay, but Linda, thank you. I give you 484 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: more time, but it's a little late, so thank you 485 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: much appreciate it. Let me go next to Craig in Ohio. Craig, 486 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: you gotta be quick for me tonight, buddy, go right ahead. 487 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 6: I'm gonna be quick. Number one, he was an ICU nurse. 488 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 6: And number two, the weapon that he had was better 489 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 6: than any nine millimeter that the ice of the agents 490 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 6: had on It had a red dot scope, custom grip, 491 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 6: and the end of it looked like it could be 492 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 6: fit for a suppressor aka silencer. In the town not 493 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 6: far from me in Ripley, West Virginia. Now, a librarian, 494 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 6: I repeat, the librarian was asking people with terminal ill 495 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 6: disease to get sniper rifles and kill President Trump. She 496 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 6: was arrested and Trump supporters this is where this is 497 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 6: escalated to and governors like Fetterman is trying to de 498 00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 6: escalate it. 499 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 2: Senator, he's a senator. Yeah, okay, sorry, fair enough, Okay, 500 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 2: that's the first I've heard of that. I mean, that 501 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 2: librarian must have lotched her mind. I mean, she's she's 502 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 2: going to go to people who are terminally ill and 503 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 2: say go get yourself a M sixteen and pop somebody 504 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: that's insane. Insane. 505 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 6: There was not on Master will lose, but looking. 506 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 2: Up I will, Craig, I know you and I trust you, 507 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 2: and that's why I let that in. Thank you much, 508 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 2: Thank you much. We'll talk soon. Happy New Year. Okay, 509 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: thanks buddy, Let's keep rolling. Judy is in Western Judy, 510 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 2: you were next on Nightside. Go right ahead, Judy. 511 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 10: Okay, I'm feeling that there's something really wrong going on 512 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 10: that we never were living in an atmosphere of fear. 513 00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 10: I have two children in Maine at a sun in Waltham. Okay, 514 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 10: they were all born in Massachusetts. But they're they're frightened 515 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 10: and there for no reason. They haven't done anything wrong. 516 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: Why are they frightened? 517 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 10: It's an atmosphere that's being created, Okay. 518 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 2: And who do you blame? Who do you blame for 519 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: creating that atmosphere? 520 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 11: Judy, I don't know. 521 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 10: I think it's Trump going after I guess, going after Bluestate. 522 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 10: So I don't know. I mean all these criminals, I 523 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 10: don't think. So something's wrong. This is something different. 524 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's see how it plays out, Judy, 525 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 2: I hope you call me some night earlier because we 526 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 2: can have a longer conversation. I just want to try 527 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 2: to get as many of the folks in UH as possible. 528 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: But I thank you for your point of view. 529 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, have a great night. 530 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 10: Bye, good night. 531 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 2: Amy is in Middleborough. Amy next on Nightsagger. 532 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,479 Speaker 5: Right ahead, Hi Dan, how are you good? 533 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 2: Amy? We're a little tight on time. I try to 534 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 2: get one or two more in go ahead. 535 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 11: So my blood boils with this, with this topic. So, 536 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 11: first of all, the Ice agents, their whole approach comes 537 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 11: down from Trump, I think is disorganized. They should be 538 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 11: more methodical if they're actually looking for a specific immigrants, 539 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 11: legal immigrants at are criminals. They're just going in with 540 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 11: like a oh. I just think that their approach to 541 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 11: it is totally wrong. Secondly, Alex, I'm a nurse, so 542 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 11: I'm sympathetic towards his case. As a nurse, his first 543 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 11: instinct was they just shove that woman to the snow 544 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 11: on the ground. I'm going to help her get up. 545 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 11: I don't think he intentionally placed himself in the middle 546 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 11: of this. The Ice agents, they killed him in cold blood. 547 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 11: They murdered him on the street, and he has the right. 548 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 11: I'm not a gun supporter for personal reasons. In Minnesota, 549 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 11: he has the right to carry. He has a license 550 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 11: to carry in public. And I can bet you a 551 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 11: million dollars if there were a lot more guns in 552 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 11: that crowd than they than they found out. He did 553 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 11: not brandish his weapons, He didn't have a hand, He 554 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 11: had a cell phone and an open palm. 555 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 2: Ay, okay, well, let me ask you this. As a nurse, 556 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 2: are you aware of the Riley lacn story by uh 557 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 2: in Georgia. 558 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 11: I am Lake and Riley So she was murdered by 559 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 11: the legal immigrants who is being convicted right and is serving. 560 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 2: Time right, But she's so dead. 561 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 11: Her murder, her murder. She was a nursing student, and 562 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 11: her murder was awful, horrible. 563 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 2: Good. Yeah, that's that's why I just wanted to hear 564 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 2: you say that, because I think that the loss of 565 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 2: any life is is n these circumstances. 566 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 11: And Renee Good as well, who was a murdered he 567 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 11: did not. 568 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't want to use the word murder 569 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 2: because murder is as as a legal term. I'm a lawyer. 570 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 2: She was killed the question whether she's murdered would be 571 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 2: decided by a jury. So I. 572 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 11: That's all right, No, I mean you are you know, 573 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 11: you're the lawyer, and it's Paul, you know, I know. 574 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 2: I'm just want the proper the proper language. Amy, thank 575 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,479 Speaker 2: you so much. I don't know if you've called me before, 576 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 2: but I hope you call more often. Okay, I have. 577 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 11: It was during the Karen re trial and you said 578 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 11: call me back if Karen found not guilty, and I 579 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 11: never did. 580 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 2: Okay, now you have, Okay, thanks, Now I have, thank 581 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 2: you Amy, half of that one. Okay, thank you, Don 582 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 2: and Indiana and Don, you're the last call of the night. 583 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 2: The other calls. I apologize, Donna, get less than a 584 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 2: minute for you. Go ahead. 585 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 12: Oh. I just wanted to respond to one point here. 586 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 12: The Wall Street Journal this evening has this from Kim 587 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 12: Waalts quote, Federal officials are lying. My state's correction department 588 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 12: honors all immigration detainers. And I heard you earlier concerned 589 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 12: about you know, the state responding and if you won't 590 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 12: perhaps handing over immigrants in this category. 591 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 2: Well, again, I'm not an expert on the facts. Clearly, 592 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 2: there is a big gulf between the Trump administration and 593 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 2: Tim Wallas's administration. And there's also a lot of facts 594 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 2: in there that we have to figure out. I want 595 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 2: to get to the bottom of it. And if Minnesota 596 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 2: is not handing over people who should be handed over again, 597 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 2: federal government preempts states on immigration legal issues US versus Arizona. 598 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 2: When the Supreme. 599 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 12: Court called waltz is saying that they are responsive and 600 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 12: that the Federals saying that are lying when. 601 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 2: They let us find out, I mean, I want to 602 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 2: see the evidence that proves it one way or the other. 603 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 2: That's all all. This was a good opportunity. 604 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 12: I understand that. I understand that fair enough. 605 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if Walls is right, so be it. 606 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 2: If he's wrong, so be it. I think that somehow, someway, 607 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 2: we in a free society, whether it's the New York Times, 608 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal or the Boston Globe, and reporters 609 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 2: in the field should be able to get the straight 610 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 2: answers for us. So down, I'm flat out of time, 611 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 2: and know you call periodically, call more often, okay, and 612 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 2: I'll give you my bill. Thank you very much, good night, 613 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 2: all right to the callers in the line. I really 614 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 2: do apologize. You call late, You got to call earlier, 615 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 2: and we'll get you in. Rob Brooks, nice job. I'm 616 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 2: going to do Facebook postgame night side with Dan Ray 617 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 2: in about two or three minutes. I'll end tonight. By 618 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 2: the way, tomorrow night we will be back. Please feel 619 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 2: free to join us. Tomorrow night. We're going to talk 620 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 2: about starter homes, tiny homes with a guest we had 621 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 2: on about a week ago. While dogs, all cats, all 622 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 2: pets go to heaven, that's why Pal Charlie Rays, who 623 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 2: passed sixteen years ago in February, that's where your pets 624 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 2: are who have passed. They loved you and you love them. 625 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,919 Speaker 2: I do believe you'll see them again. We'll see again 626 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 2: tomorrow night or nightside. Everyone stay warm, make it a 627 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 2: warm Wednesday. Thanks everybody,