WEBVTT - The Big Outdoors -- 12/06/25

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<v Speaker 1>Bull's coverage and jumping right to it, which you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you've got twenty minutes of time on Saturday morning

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<v Speaker 1>between five and five thirty, you can't screw around.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise, Gary Jeff, the news team will open fire if

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<v Speaker 1>and when they're paying attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Any?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you are correct? Okay, good, we got that straight.

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<v Speaker 2>Gary Jeff will get very angry at me and start

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<v Speaker 2>cursing and using things I can't sail on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, even though under our brock. Okay, yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>John Navarro joins me. He is a biologist with the

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio Divisional Wildlife under ODNR and has an area of

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<v Speaker 1>expertise which is aquatic diverse diversity conservation management.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a lot for five am in the morning, John,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta tell you, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. So.

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<v Speaker 1>The article came out two weeks back about the aquatic

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<v Speaker 1>habitat biologist and being taxed with new missions.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, they are under your purview.

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<v Speaker 1>So give us an idea what this means, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>God does I do know quite a few young men

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<v Speaker 1>and women that we are interested in this area of study,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you know, I want to get them a

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<v Speaker 1>little born to work with here since things are changing

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<v Speaker 1>out there pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, So we have a new position. It's called

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<v Speaker 4>Aquatic Habitat Biologists, and the idea of it is the

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<v Speaker 4>divisional Wildlife manages all species, not just what we pursue

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<v Speaker 4>with hook and bullet, so which is still our core

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<v Speaker 4>core audience, our core constituency, but we also manage critters

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<v Speaker 4>that people don't pursue, and some of them are are

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<v Speaker 4>very rare and cool. So we thought, with the interest

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<v Speaker 4>in aquatic diversity trustrialsity, that maybe we should have this

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<v Speaker 4>expertise in house. So our staff are all versed in

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<v Speaker 4>sport fish, but we really were lacking the expertise in

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<v Speaker 4>the other critters. So that's what this position is. It's

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<v Speaker 4>going to work with the non game uh species, you know, fish, muscles,

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<v Speaker 4>that kind of thing, and they're going to become our

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<v Speaker 4>in house experts. So we have three of them right now,

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<v Speaker 4>one in south west Ohio, one in Central Ohio, and

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<v Speaker 4>one in Northeast Ohio. And we're looking to hire two more,

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<v Speaker 4>one in northwest Ohio and one in Southeast Ohio, so

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<v Speaker 4>eventually we'll have one in each district that will provide

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<v Speaker 4>expertise in aquatic diversity.

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<v Speaker 1>So do they report to the district office or do

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<v Speaker 1>they report to Columbus specifically?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's interesting. So our district operations are not managed

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<v Speaker 4>by me, so they do report to the district manager,

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<v Speaker 4>but I provide programmatic direction.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>So where did you get the biological information in the past? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Even though I know that you know staff wise, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>every all of your all of your people know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about a lot when it comes down to it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, So where did that come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Initially? So the idea that I know, I mean the

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<v Speaker 2>you know this.

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<v Speaker 1>If this type of biologist was on staff, where was

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<v Speaker 1>that information coming from?

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<v Speaker 2>Biological?

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<v Speaker 4>So right, So we have a really good relationship with

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<v Speaker 4>with species experts out there. So like if there was

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<v Speaker 4>a muscle question, I would go to the folks at

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<v Speaker 4>os U, yeah, or hellbenders. We have someone that we

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<v Speaker 4>pay through OSU to do our hellbender research and all

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<v Speaker 4>the other amphibians and reptiles. So basically, if there was

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<v Speaker 4>a question I couldn't answer, I would go to our partners.

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<v Speaker 3>Outside, which is fine, but I really, I really thought,

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<v Speaker 3>and Chief Wecker thought, and Todd Haynes, our assistant chief,

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<v Speaker 3>thought it would be really good to have that.

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<v Speaker 4>Expertise in house. So so that's where the direction we went.

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<v Speaker 4>And so these people will be well versed on everything diversity.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, great, well, and of course your universities are spitting

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<v Speaker 1>out the people that would be uh. I guess you know,

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<v Speaker 1>qualified through education for positions like this.

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<v Speaker 2>So I it makes more sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Than a lot of things I've heard out there. So

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<v Speaker 1>John Navarro, you sit tight. We got to hit a

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<v Speaker 1>short break, Chip Hart, I guess John Navarro with Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>Divisional Wildlife, Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 1>LW Cincinnati, Chip Hart, and my guest is John Navarro.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you hang around long enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Jeff Walker and his cast of characters will be

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<v Speaker 1>up at the afternoon news who Who on the at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the hour after the bottom and taking

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<v Speaker 1>you at nine am. And Michael k Allen likely with

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<v Speaker 1>his rants and raves across the world, his worldview of things,

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<v Speaker 1>which is it's quite fractured anyway, but no, he's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about the best radio on Saturday in Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>between five am and noon for crying out loud, So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>John Navarro, Divisional Wildlife moving to the sturgeon stocking program,

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<v Speaker 1>which I I think is very cool. I've you know,

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<v Speaker 1>never had the opportunity to like outlast. It's a big

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<v Speaker 1>deal to fish for Okay, I guess what the Columbia

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<v Speaker 1>River and some other places like that, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>native originally to to I guess Lake Erie. And so

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<v Speaker 1>tell me where we're at at this point in time.

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<v Speaker 1>And is that a different I guess a different species

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<v Speaker 1>of sturgeon.

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<v Speaker 4>No, So the species we're talking about are lake sturgeon,

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<v Speaker 4>which are native to the Great Lakes. But because of

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<v Speaker 4>the building of dams, water quality issues, and persecution. To

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<v Speaker 4>be honest with you, they weren't very well loved back

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<v Speaker 4>in the eighteen hundreds that they basically pretty much disappeared

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<v Speaker 4>from Lake Erie. So water quality improvements through the Clean

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<v Speaker 4>Water Act, which is fifty years old, right, a great

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<v Speaker 4>piece of legislation. It's a amazing how the water quality

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<v Speaker 4>in Ohio and around the country has improved. So we're

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<v Speaker 4>at a point where we felt that we could reintroduce

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<v Speaker 4>lake sturgeons. So we started on the Mammie River in

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<v Speaker 4>twenty eighteen with a partnership with the Toledo Zoo. So

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<v Speaker 4>Toledo Zoo is raising half the fish, and half of

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<v Speaker 4>them come from Genoa Fish Hatchery in Wisconsin. And the

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<v Speaker 4>idea is we wanted to look if it's important for

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<v Speaker 4>these fish to imprint with the local water so they

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<v Speaker 4>know how to come back to their natal water body. So, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>half of them are raised on Mommy water and half

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<v Speaker 4>of them are raised on Wisconsin water. They all get

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<v Speaker 4>released at the same time, and it'll take a while

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<v Speaker 4>because they are long lived. You know, they'll live to

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<v Speaker 4>be one hundred years old. They'll get six feet long,

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<v Speaker 4>two hundred pounds, so they're slow to mature. It'll be

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<v Speaker 4>a while before we see the results of that study.

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<v Speaker 4>All the fish have a pit tag in them, which

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<v Speaker 4>is a little transmitter the size of a grain of rice,

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<v Speaker 4>and you can detect it with a wand And so

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to be releasing those for the next twenty

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<v Speaker 4>plus years, trying to establish a population in the Maumee River.

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<v Speaker 4>What's really exciting is this year we added the Sandusky River,

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<v Speaker 4>and most exciting was the Cuyahoga River. We released Lake

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<v Speaker 4>sturgeon this year and so at that release thank you

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<v Speaker 4>Cleveland Metro Parks for hosting the event. Sure the backdrop

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<v Speaker 4>was the Cleveland or was the Cuyahoga River, which fifty

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<v Speaker 4>years ago was on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we all know that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, and was the catalyst for the Clean Water Act.

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<v Speaker 4>So past forward fifty years to this year, we're releasing

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<v Speaker 4>an endangered fish into the Cuyahoga River in downtown Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's just amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It is amazing. So what do they what's it? What

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<v Speaker 1>do they primarily feed on?

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<v Speaker 4>So they're a bottom feeder, so I think they're so cool.

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<v Speaker 4>They're prehistoric. They're around when the dinosaurs are around, and

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<v Speaker 4>they look like a shark, so they kind of look

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<v Speaker 4>intimidating when they're six feet long, but they don't worry.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not going to eat you. They eat stuff off

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<v Speaker 4>the bottom, so aquatic insects, you know, small muscles, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>fish every once in a while. So they're a bottom

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<v Speaker 4>feeder so that's mainly what they eat.

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<v Speaker 2>So will they eat the zebra muscle?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure if they come across it, they'll.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll eat it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, hell, were there any pre existing like a

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<v Speaker 1>blake sturgeon?

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<v Speaker 4>There is relic populations in Lake Erie. Yeah, there is

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<v Speaker 4>still a population in Wisconsin, and the Detroit River actually

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<v Speaker 4>has them to So that's where we got our eggs

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<v Speaker 4>for the production.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to believe that you know, through the H

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<v Speaker 1>two Ohio and the removal of you know, certain dams

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<v Speaker 1>on certain rivers that maybe you know, we're in that

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Erie watershed, that that that's a big positive too

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<v Speaker 1>for their I guess migratory ability to.

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<v Speaker 2>To uh you know, to to to breed and so

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<v Speaker 2>on and so forth. So John sid tight, we got

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<v Speaker 2>to hit a break.

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<v Speaker 1>Come back, we'll talk more about uh, well, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the invasive carp Lake Erie tributaries. Chip Hart,

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<v Speaker 1>John Navarro, Ohio Divisional Wildlife, The Big Outdoors News Radio,

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred w l W, Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in the moment, go seven hundred w l W, The.

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<v Speaker 1>Big Outdoors News Radio, seven hundred w l W, Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>I am excited about this subject matter, Danny, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And and because you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, not only our sport fish cool well, we love

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<v Speaker 1>to catch them, but also you know the other native

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<v Speaker 1>fish and critters that make up this whole ecosystem, and

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio's it, you know, we're in pretty good shape. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing against our neighbors, because you're all listening to me too.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys got cool stuff too.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to it if I get somebody on the

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<v Speaker 1>phone from your Department and Natural Resources, which is helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>So John Navarro, Divisional Wildlife. Uh, let's let's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>get on get on to These are subjects that I've

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<v Speaker 1>been wanting to talk to somebody about for quite some time.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've kind of fulfilled the whole need here the

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<v Speaker 1>invasive carp and in terms of the Lake Erie watershed.

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<v Speaker 1>So where do we stand right now? We've heard about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Chicago River and all that. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mommy River goes over in Indiana, starts in Indiana,

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<v Speaker 1>right yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So invasive carp mainly, the ones we're really worried

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<v Speaker 4>about are the big head and silver carp. They're filter

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<v Speaker 4>feeders and they can out compete our young native fish

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<v Speaker 4>and they've shown to be pretty impactful where they get

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<v Speaker 4>a high population. Fortunately, in Ohio they have not gotten

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<v Speaker 4>to a population size yet that we think is going

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<v Speaker 4>to impact natives. But I think it's only a matter

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<v Speaker 4>of time, and once you have an invasive species get established,

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<v Speaker 4>it's extremely hard to eradicate them. So the o High

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<v Speaker 4>River Watershed we're trying our best to keep the population down,

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<v Speaker 4>but we're really worried about the Great Lakes and for

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<v Speaker 4>Ohio Lake Erie, so we're doing a lot of work

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<v Speaker 4>to keep them from going from the Ohigh River Watershed

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<v Speaker 4>to the Lake Erie Watershed. One of the main things

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<v Speaker 4>is there's two hydraulic connection points where they could cross

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<v Speaker 4>over one an acrony in one south of Lode Io

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<v Speaker 4>High and we've already closed the one on the High

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<v Speaker 4>Ohio Erie Canal and akron through raising the elevation between

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<v Speaker 4>the two watersheds. Okay, when it flood. When it floods,

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<v Speaker 4>they can't go back and forth. And we're working south

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<v Speaker 4>of Lodi for the Little Killbuck Creek project to construct

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<v Speaker 4>a burm, which we completed this year for phase one,

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<v Speaker 4>But the idea is to separate that watershed so they

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<v Speaker 4>can't get into Lake Erie.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a monumental tay ask before we go on.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you mentioned well, let's just circle back to

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<v Speaker 1>the to the sturgeon stocking. You mentioned that we have

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<v Speaker 1>another location in fact that impacts the Ohio River Valley.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>What's really exciting is this year, in partnership with h

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<v Speaker 4>Ohio Rivers Program and OSU, we released thirty lake sturgeon

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<v Speaker 4>in Circleville at our Richard's Boat Ramp and so late

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<v Speaker 4>you think a lake sturgeon, you think Lake Erie, but

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<v Speaker 4>they were. They are native to the Ohio River Watershed

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<v Speaker 4>and the Mississippi River watershed. So we're working to establish

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<v Speaker 4>a population in the Sciota River. And this year we

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<v Speaker 4>release thirty radio tagged fish. So these fish have an

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<v Speaker 4>actual tag in it that releases a signal that can

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<v Speaker 4>get picked up on receivers that we have laid out

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<v Speaker 4>from Columbus down to the Ohio River.

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<v Speaker 1>The mouth got you, I would imagine if an angler

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<v Speaker 1>caught a sturgeon, regardless if it's tagg or not, that

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<v Speaker 1>they need to report.

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<v Speaker 4>It, report it and release it. Please.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>And we do have some shovel nose sturgeon which is

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<v Speaker 4>a close relative, and we get reports of fishermen catching

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<v Speaker 4>those and they're very good about taking a picture and

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<v Speaker 4>releasing it, so they're doing the right thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to the to the big head, the silver

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<v Speaker 1>carp In terms of Lake Erie, have they actually gotten

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<v Speaker 1>in the lake.

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<v Speaker 4>So when you say invasive carp, if there's four speces

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<v Speaker 4>to talking about the big head silver black carp, which

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<v Speaker 4>haven't made it up the Mississippi River to us yet,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the grass cart and the grass carp does

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<v Speaker 4>have a reproducing population in the Sandusky and Maumee River

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<v Speaker 4>and we're working very hard to eradicate that population in

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<v Speaker 4>partnership with the University of Toledo that team up north

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<v Speaker 4>there DNR. I can't it's it's that week. I can't

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<v Speaker 4>even mention their name, Okay, but we do partner with

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<v Speaker 4>them closely on trying to eradicate this population in the

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<v Speaker 4>western basin of the lake here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, John, how can people find out more of the

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<v Speaker 1>about the invasive carp in terms of like just go

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<v Speaker 1>to do a search on wild Ohio dot gov.

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<v Speaker 4>But be sure yep, yep, yep, and they can find

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<v Speaker 4>all kinds of information.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, great, Well, let's and I appreciate your time

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<v Speaker 1>this morning. All good stuff, and see I keep up on.

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<v Speaker 2>Things with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you did you know as far as what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>out there, So that's fantastic. Well, listen, have a great

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<v Speaker 1>holiday season and catch up with you like fish Ohio.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks John with that, we got to hit a break

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<v Speaker 1>Chip Hart the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in the moment your tuned to news radio seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred w LW. We're back, Danny, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I got a couple of minutes and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Sir Gary Jeff's gonna blow the horn on me.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's it tough.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, oh if you have questions about anything that

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked about, just called Gary Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, He'll sold me out of my studio. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know. So what do we have? What do we have?

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of people up in arms that come

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<v Speaker 1>to Ohio to hunt as non residents, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>see it through social media, but you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a reciprocal thing. You know, if Indiana, Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>or West Virginia charges a certain amount to go deer

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<v Speaker 1>hunt over there where, they've tried to bring Ohio commensurate

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<v Speaker 1>with those neighboring states. So you know, the non resident

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<v Speaker 1>either sex deer permit in Ohio cost you know, two

0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.520
<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighteen bucks and some change. And then your

0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:25.680
<v Speaker 1>non resident hunting licenses is one hundred and eighty one dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's just what it is to hunt Ohio. If

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<v Speaker 1>I go to Kentucky or Indiana, it's going to cost

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<v Speaker 1>me the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was.

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<v Speaker 1>A prudent decision to be made. So you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>can still come hunt here, and I can still go

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<v Speaker 1>and hunt there. So that's just wherever we happen to

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<v Speaker 1>stand and circling back. You know, we had that report

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<v Speaker 1>that was reported that we had a grizzly bear that

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<v Speaker 1>attacked a group of school children and teachers on a

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<v Speaker 1>walking trail in British Columbia, Canada and eleven people injured.

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<v Speaker 1>But so, uh, I don't know what's but that's the

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<v Speaker 1>current news on that. And apparently there were multiple bears

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<v Speaker 1>in Ballved but I've had no update to date. And

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<v Speaker 1>go look for a story about a bald eagle that

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<v Speaker 1>dropped a cat through a driver's windshield in North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>causing a car accident. So another fun story only in

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina, I guess. So you know, I guess they

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<v Speaker 1>just watched it fall out of the sky, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>better than fish.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I'm out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Jeff is next to the Big Outdoors News Radio

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLW SIN standing be safe in the woods,

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<v Speaker 1>safe on the water, and safe in that tree stand