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Speaker 2: And that's a lot for five am in the morning, John,

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Speaker 1: I am excited about this subject matter, Danny, Okay.

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Speaker 4: can't get into Lake Erie.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a monumental tay ask before we go on.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: What's really exciting is this year, in partnership with h

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Speaker 1: The mouth got you, I would imagine if an angler

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Speaker 1: they need to report.

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Speaker 4: It, report it and release it. Please.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 4: And we do have some shovel nose sturgeon which is

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 1: Now back to the to the big head, the silver

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Speaker 4: So when you say invasive carp, if there's four speces

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Speaker 4: and we're working very hard to eradicate that population in

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Speaker 4: there DNR. I can't it's it's that week. I can't

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Speaker 4: even mention their name, Okay, but we do partner with

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Speaker 1: Well, John, how can people find out more of the

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Speaker 1: about the invasive carp in terms of like just go

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Speaker 1: to do a search on wild Ohio dot gov.

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Speaker 4: But be sure yep, yep, yep, and they can find

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Speaker 4: all kinds of information.

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Speaker 1: All right, great, Well, let's and I appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: this morning. All good stuff, and see I keep up on.

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Speaker 2: Things with you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you did you know as far as what's happening

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Speaker 1: out there, So that's fantastic. Well, listen, have a great

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Speaker 1: holiday season and catch up with you like fish Ohio.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks John with that, we got to hit a break

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Speaker 1: Chip Hart the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Back in the moment your tuned to news radio seven

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Speaker 2: hundred w LW. We're back, Danny, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I know, I got a couple of minutes and you know,

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Speaker 1: Sir Gary Jeff's gonna blow the horn on me.

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Speaker 2: And that's it tough.

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Speaker 1: You know, oh if you have questions about anything that

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Speaker 1: I've talked about, just called Gary Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Okay, He'll sold me out of my studio. I know,

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Speaker 2: I know. So what do we have? What do we have?

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people up in arms that come

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Speaker 1: So that's just what it is to hunt Ohio. If

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Speaker 2: So it was.

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Speaker 1: A prudent decision to be made. So you know, you

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Speaker 1: But so, uh, I don't know what's but that's the

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, I guess. So you know, I guess they

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Speaker 1: better than fish.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm out of here.

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Speaker 1: Gary Jeff is next to the Big Outdoors News Radio

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW SIN standing be safe in the woods,

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Speaker 1: safe on the water, and safe in that tree stand