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Speaker 1: Man Pa and Church.

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Speaker 2: Yo, Charchie, what's going on there? Brother?

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Speaker 3: Hi, my man, been too long, excited to talk to

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Speaker 3: you again and getting getting frothy.

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Speaker 2: For the draft? Yeah so you yeah? Likewise, so uh,

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Speaker 2: you're coming back for the Draft party radio show at

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Speaker 2: us Bank Stadium. How excited are you for that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm extremely excited because we've done this for years, Paul,

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Speaker 3: including some you know, you're not been a part of

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Speaker 3: some weird things that have happened with the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 3: You've got when Mike Tys had to come on stage

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Speaker 3: and tell us to calm down. We were there for that.

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Speaker 3: We were there for Laramie tunsl yep, when we're about

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Speaker 3: to start the show and here's Laramie Tunzel and a

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Speaker 3: gas mask. We were there for that. We managed the

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Speaker 3: cod shows, We've it's we've got a long history here

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Speaker 3: and it's it's it's gonna be It's gonna be another

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Speaker 3: very this This is incredibly important Draft.

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Speaker 2: Twenty ten, very impact twenty ten. We're waiting for the

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Speaker 2: penultimate pick in the draft and we're at Jimmy's and

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Speaker 2: Badness heights and Spielman trades out of it at like

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Speaker 2: ten fifty in the evening and we got to wait

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Speaker 2: till the next day. Put put that in the put

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Speaker 2: that on the ledger too, right, Well, how many?

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Speaker 3: How many times has this happen to us?

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Speaker 2: Paul?

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Speaker 3: Where you know, the Vikings are drafting in sort of

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Speaker 3: this traditional area where they usually are, and it's like

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Speaker 3: eighteen twenty twenty two, you know, kind of range, and

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Speaker 3: then they trade back in our night, you know, our

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Speaker 3: night ends up, you know, ending at you know, at midnight,

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Speaker 3: you know, they trade back to thirty thirty one thirty two.

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Speaker 3: It's happened. It happens a lot.

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Speaker 2: For us, Hey Vikings and the NFL draft overall. In

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Speaker 2: a second, let's let's get the twenty twenty six season quick,

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Speaker 2: which fantasy football stuff going? And here's what I mean,

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Speaker 2: Zach Charbonay in Seattle? Do you like that as maybe

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Speaker 3: Well, if we're coming off a cl yes, you know,

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Speaker 3: as it stands right now, I don't. I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to be somebody that I

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Speaker 3: would necessarily depend on. But you know, we got a

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Speaker 3: lot of months to figure that part out. But the look,

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Speaker 3: but losing Kenneth Walker puts sharbon Ay into a spot

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Speaker 3: where you could be incredibly impactful. You know what we

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Speaker 3: love about Sharbonay knows the end zone and he can catch.

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Speaker 3: They just get. But the fact that they you know,

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Speaker 3: they had that one two punch for so long, you

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Speaker 3: to have taken a running back in the draft, and

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Speaker 3: I think what everything said and done.

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Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker Junior, the Super Bowl MVP now in KC.

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Speaker 2: Is that free fantasy money right there?

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Speaker 3: It might be. You know, here's what we don't know.

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Speaker 3: Kansas City's always been a team. It's frustrated. He's hence

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Speaker 3: the Mahomes era. As great as that offense has been,

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Speaker 3: the one position that never gets paid under Andy Reid

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Speaker 3: don't run. That part has always been a little bit

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Speaker 3: I'm really optimistic something Kenneth Walker's awesome and obviously easy

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Speaker 3: to say now super Bowl MVP. But and it's a

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Speaker 3: great opportunity. You just worry about whether or not Andy

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Speaker 3: Reid and Patrick Mahome. Mahomes are ready to make a

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Speaker 3: That's not enough. And Kenneth Walker is requisite of a

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Speaker 2: And speaking of touchdowns near the stripe, Isaiah Pacheco and

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Speaker 3: I just don't think Pacheco's very good. I mean, and

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Speaker 3: If Pacheco's as bad as he's looked the last couple

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Speaker 2: And if if.

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Speaker 3: There isn't a real contender that emerges with Detroit. Jamiir

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Speaker 3: be sitting on an absolutely monster season. Now, you remember

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Speaker 3: Draft Day three years ago, Paul, when Jamiir Gibbs was selected,

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Speaker 3: they trade it way up. They traded way up. And

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Speaker 3: the then pervasive thinking that you can get a running

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Speaker 3: And when they traded up to get Jamir Gibbs, universally

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Speaker 3: Jamiir Gibbs is one of the best players in the

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Speaker 3: I said, he's somebody you can make a very good

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Speaker 2: And lastly, just to get the quick twitch going for

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Speaker 2: fantasy football before the draft, after a majority of free

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Speaker 2: agency has been completed. A year two for Ashton Gent,

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Speaker 2: what do you expect?

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Speaker 3: Well, I was optimistic and things will well, things have

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Speaker 3: team up with Genty. I don't believe in having a

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Speaker 4: Well, now with with genty year two, how about Kirk

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Speaker 4: Cousins as a raider year one charge and the idea

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Speaker 3: I heard you guys talking about this with Adam Kaplan,

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Speaker 3: and I think you're right that Cousins is your likely

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Speaker 3: week one starter, even though Mendoza's you know, he's he's

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Speaker 3: we've just seen so many more better success stories on

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Speaker 3: learning from a season pro who's going to go about

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Speaker 4: Know, kind of sticking in the vein of fantasy and

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Speaker 4: Arizona Cardinals to pay for Kyler. The Dolphins are paying

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of faith in Kevin Stefanski and

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Speaker 3: believe the Falcons will be better overall with Stefanski. I

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Speaker 2: Pa and Chart you touched on it earlier. You wrote us, quote,

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Speaker 2: every draft is important. This one is really important end

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Speaker 2: quote and talking about the Minnesota Vikings, please explain.

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Speaker 3: Well, last year's Viking starters were the fourth oldest in

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Speaker 3: the NFL, and there isn't a young talent pipeline coming

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Speaker 3: who do they have. You got Jordan Addison who's twenty four,

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Speaker 3: but they're really you know, there's not there just isn't

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Speaker 3: worry of last year. Eighty eight percent of the Viking

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Speaker 3: eight percent. I mean, you just know you have four

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Speaker 3: of other than Addison Jackson and Turner Al's Darisaw Christian

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now here's the I've thought a lot about whether

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Speaker 4: I get where you're going with that, and you know,

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Speaker 4: not necessary, we don't have to necessarily dig into names,

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Speaker 3: But a Kenyon.

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Speaker 4: Sidiq is there, we you know, and he wouldn't be here,

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Speaker 4: but like at Jeremiah Love, we spend some time conversing

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Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, I mean I think there's this, You know,

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Speaker 3: of which I'd like to think. Internally, they've already decided

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Speaker 2: What you got.

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Speaker 3: But I think they kind of need to know it

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Speaker 3: because if you know Addison, you know whether it's performance

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Speaker 3: then the best player available wide receiver becomes an option

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Speaker 4: Given that they've already invested two first round picks in

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Speaker 4: that's saying we intend to trade Addison, wouldn't it?

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Speaker 3: I mean it would. It would put it put the

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's the Vikings. But Avion Terrell is a guy

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Speaker 4: Up yesterday when we were doing our Thirsty Thursday just

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Speaker 3: Do you wet your whistle on Thirsty Thursday? I like

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Speaker 3: Two, three, with a right to change the opinion. Dylan

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Speaker 3: Theeneman is the guy that I want to see walk

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Speaker 3: And he wouldn't get by that. All these teams that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I well, I was I was texting you

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Speaker 3: What's next?

433
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Speaker 4: And what kind of an earth shaking impact is this?

434
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Speaker 3: This is? This is really sad. This is this is

435
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Speaker 3: a case where they've decided to move PFF to a

436
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 3: strictly business to business model, which is really teams right,

437
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 3: selling content to teams, and get away from a consumer model.

438
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 3: They haven't improved their consumer product really at all in

439
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Speaker 3: five years. And there was a big change about five

440
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 3: years ago. A lot of the original people ended up leaving,

441
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: brought in other people and from from a consumer standpoint,

442
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Speaker 3: and I know not many of the listeners and Pa,

443
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: I know you don't love PFFF, but for a lot

444
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Speaker 3: of us that can't physically break down every single player.

445
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Speaker 3: If I want to have just a basic understanding of

446
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Speaker 3: whether or not some player is good, bad, trending well

447
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 3: or not, I just want, you know, I want to

448
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: know does this player blitz? Where does he line up?

449
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 3: You know, just tell me, you know how many past

450
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Speaker 3: stops does does this cornerback have? You know, where does

451
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Speaker 3: this cornerback line up? Just some basic stuff that I've

452
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: really become very dependent on. If that part is not

453
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Speaker 3: going to come back, and it sounds like it won't,

454
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Speaker 3: that's gonna I'm gonna I'm going to feel underprepared for

455
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Speaker 3: this coming season. And I think there's a lot of

456
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Speaker 3: people that you know, we've we've come to, we've come

457
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Speaker 3: to appreciate and maybe take for granted that there's there

458
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Speaker 3: was data available, even if you just didn't love the

459
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Speaker 3: data and didn't always agree with it, but there was

460
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Speaker 3: a data available that no one person could ever do

461
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Speaker 3: themselves that PFF had. You know, we're gonna have to

462
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Speaker 3: either find somebody else, maybe some of the PFF people

463
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: we're going to band together and create, you know, create

464
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Speaker 3: a new company. I don't know where it's going to land.

465
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Speaker 3: But it's sad to see sad to see it happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, I I have a lot of respect for what

467
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Speaker 2: they built with Pro Football Focus, and you and I

468
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Speaker 2: have chatted about it so much. I mean I have

469
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: a singular I had a singular problem with with the

470
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Speaker 2: releasing of the figures and the numbers off TV copy

471
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Speaker 2: and and what they amass on Sunday night. Then they

472
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Speaker 2: changed them on Monday and Tuesday that that was about it.

473
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Speaker 2: But I got a lot of respect for what they created.

474
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: And you know, when when it when it comes to

475
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Speaker 2: like the what's next plan? Uh to to to add

476
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: to that? You know kind of where you stopped, Well,

477
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: what about like what about like next Gen stats or

478
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 2: things like that? Does that help with what you do?

479
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 3: Next Gen Stats is okay, but it it only it's

480
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 3: got like ten percent of what PFF has, at least

481
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Speaker 3: at the level that I get at the consumer level.

482
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Speaker 3: I think next Gen Stats also has a lot of

483
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Speaker 3: team to team, business to business stuff that costs thousands

484
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Speaker 3: of thousands of dollars that you know, regular people don't

485
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Speaker 3: have access to. I will be very interested to see

486
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Speaker 3: there's there's a lot of fantasy companies out there that

487
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 3: that we're buying PFF stats, some specific stats, reshaping them,

488
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 3: looking at some of the data that even non public

489
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Speaker 3: facing data, and then presenting it. And I'll be very

490
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Speaker 3: interested to see if those companies can find a way

491
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Speaker 3: to do it themselves and keep giving us great inside

492
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Speaker 3: play to play stats that we that we just we've

493
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Speaker 3: been relying on PFF for I was gonna know, when

494
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: you sell a company to when you sell a company

495
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 3: to a you know, another company, anything can happen. You

496
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: don't always know how it's going to turn out. Well,

497
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 3: that's what I was gonna ask you.

498
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Speaker 4: Charge in terms of filling the vacuum. Is the entrepreneurial

499
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 4: gene getting itchy at all? There, mister CHARGI in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an open how about that instead of following

501
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: it will be it?

502
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, League safe is now data safe.

503
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, this is this is easy.

504
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: Let's take league safe and make it lead safe. Just

505
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: take the lead on this, Polywally. It's uh, don't don't

506
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Speaker 2: tell me. You could get all the PFF guys.

507
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: Most the PFF guys they make you know much money,

508
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: They make a quarter per play. Breaking down. You're up

509
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Speaker 3: at two am. Sunday night watching film. They're getting paid

510
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Speaker 3: a quarter per play.

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Speaker 2: No, no wonder they are such a bold and is

512
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Speaker 2: released on Sunday nights, probably per person, all right, exactly.

513
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: If I offered him twenty six cents of play, they'd

514
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 3: probably really excited about that.

515
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Speaker 2: You're fantastic. Happy Easter to you and Roxy, and look

516
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: forward to our next chat. Okay, I miss you guys.

517
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Speaker 3: Well, hopefully we will talk soon and I'll see you

518
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Speaker 3: in person Draft Night.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Sir Paul Charchiam at Paul Charchiam via x. Hey

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Speaker 2: broached a Jeremiah Love topic or right out of the

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Speaker 2: gate first, I think second segment Nine to Noon with

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Speaker 2: Alec Lewis, and it was like surveying the shot if

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Speaker 2: the Vikings were to take a shot and trade from

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Speaker 2: eighteen I don't know all the way up to three

525
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Speaker 2: or up to the quote Jeremiah Love spot end quote?

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Speaker 2: Is that something that interests the Draft Knicks listening on

527
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Speaker 2: this good Friday free iHeartRadio app if you're interested, otherwise

528
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Speaker 2: we have more to unpack next.

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Speaker 4: Talkbacks nine to Noon, free iHeartRadio App. You hit that microphone,

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Speaker 4: you give us up to your best thirty seconds. It's

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Speaker 4: that easy and then spa preface before the break. You know,

532
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 4: maybe you got an opinion on this Jeremiah trade, Jeremiah

533
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 4: Love trade idea, what it would cost to move up

534
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Speaker 4: from pick eighteen and just kind of where everything might

535
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Speaker 4: start for the Notre Dame running back maybe pick four

536
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 4: with Tennessee. So if you want to make sure, you

537
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Speaker 4: want to assure yourselves the opportunity to have Jeremiah Love

538
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Speaker 4: on your squad, maybe pick three where Arizona is sitting,

539
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: is in that catbird seat, and what it would cost. Well,

540
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 4: using I think he was using the Jimmy Johnson the

541
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Speaker 4: old trade chart. I've seen the Jimmy Johnson chart. I've

542
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 4: seen the Rich Hill chart, kind of the points system

543
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Speaker 4: that is applied to various draft picks, and just using

544
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Speaker 4: that ideology finding his way to this year's first So

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Speaker 4: you swap eighteen and three. We know that you're giving

546
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Speaker 4: him this year's second round pick. Okay, that's pick forty nine,

547
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: You're giving them next year's first round pick, and then

548
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 4: well you're trading Jonathan Grenard. Then you're just hoping, Okay,

549
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 4: Andrew Van Ginkle, let's not get nicked up this year.

550
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 4: By the way, Dallas Turner take another massive step into

551
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 4: year three and Flora's going to go to work with

552
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Speaker 4: that group.

553
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: But you're gonna have Jarah Maya.

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Speaker 4: Love So the talkback machine and free iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: Let's listen to a few of them.

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Speaker 5: Hey guys, it's Marshall and Minnetonka. I get the idea

557
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Speaker 5: of the Vikings having a lot of holes to fill

558
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Speaker 5: and therefore wanting a lot of darts to fire at

559
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 5: players in this draft to fill them. However, Jeremiah Love

560
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 5: is a generational talent. If you can find a way

561
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 5: up to get him, you do it. Like Adrian Peterson,

562
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 5: he could change this franchise for years, maybe even a

563
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Speaker 5: decade to come. Also, Sadik could be available closer to eighteen.

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Speaker 5: He could be a generational talent. I'd go for the

565
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Speaker 5: more sure things like those guys, rather.

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Speaker 1: Than f.

567
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Speaker 3: Thank you Marshall. Yeah.

568
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Speaker 4: The idea whether if you believe he's in Adrian Peterson

569
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Speaker 4: as much as we love him. The comparison, of course

570
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Speaker 4: with ap as he was here, we know that and

571
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Speaker 4: what he did bring this franchise. I saw somebody in

572
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Speaker 4: the text line note Ladanian Tomlinson. Maybe a comparison in

573
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Speaker 4: that regard, just with the catching ability, the all around

574
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Speaker 4: talent that Jeremiah Love possesses. Thank you, Marshall. What about

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Speaker 4: let me see talkback machine.

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Speaker 3: How about this good morning and good Friday to you guys.

577
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Speaker 2: Just this is Tom and Rosemont. Just wanted to ask

578
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Speaker 2: about the draft compensation to trade up for Love.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that it would take that much.

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Speaker 2: I mean, didn't the Lions trade up from thirty two

581
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Speaker 2: to twelve with Minnesota and really basically only gave up

582
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Speaker 2: a second round pick? Y couldn't the Vikings do the same.

583
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Speaker 2: Might have been a little more in there. But the

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Speaker 2: compensation when it comes to survey and the shot, I mean,

585
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Speaker 2: it just it sounds like too much, doesn't it, specifically

586
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: if it includes Grenard? I mean with this individual team,

587
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: so you get that guy, but see the just because

588
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: you know, now three people this week have formulated the

589
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: opinion with me that this guy could be generational. Well,

590
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean they're going to be right. Yeah, And

591
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: if they're not right and you don't have a first

592
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: round pick next year, you lose forty nine this year,

593
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: you don't pay Grenard. Caplain's right. Look at Grenard's deal.

594
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: You know he's underpaid and whatever else ancillary goes into

595
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: the thing. It just from eighteen to three for this

596
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Speaker 2: team and you lose Grenard. It's just so difficult to analyze.

597
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Speaker 3: It's a lot.

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Speaker 4: And I would also say, I mean, just what you

599
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Speaker 4: put together with that draft chart, the Jimmy Johnson one,

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Speaker 4: I believe.

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Speaker 2: No, not Jimmy john since the most updated one. Okay,

602
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson's got a little archaic, but prop to Jimmy Johnson,

603
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Speaker 2: because there's Rich.

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Speaker 3: Hill, there's Jimmy, there's other ones.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Jimmy. Jimmy started the concept, so og I

606
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: mean he's ODG original draft guru. Yeah, but the numbers

607
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: are close to the same. But anyway, you were saying, well,

608
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Speaker 2: it's just I did.

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Speaker 4: From eighteen to three. So even that that talkbacker talking

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Speaker 4: thirty two to twelve. Yeah, By the way, we were

611
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Speaker 4: all surprised by the lack of return we got for

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Speaker 4: going down twenty spots.

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Speaker 2: So really like what I can't was the person?

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Speaker 4: Right, I mean, I can go back, I got go ahead,

615
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 4: you chat, I'll figure it out.

616
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Speaker 3: But it was something similar to that. We were all

617
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Speaker 3: shocked by that.

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Speaker 4: Three and twelve are different in terms of what you're

619
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Speaker 4: moving up, and you're not moving up with full twenty spots,

620
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Speaker 4: but you're you're moving up into the prime. Gotta have it,

621
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Speaker 4: Gotta make hey day one type of blue chip area.

622
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 4: To the degree that even that amount of of currency

623
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Speaker 4: you threw out there next year's first and a second

624
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 4: plus grenard effectively other than the pickswap, I wonder if

625
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: that's not even enough.

626
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: Like I'm starting to.

627
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: Think like the you know, the twenty twenty eight first

628
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: round pick or something to that degree. As you're trading

629
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Speaker 4: with an Arizona team that is sitting there and and

630
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Speaker 4: their radio stations and their rabid fan base whatever exists

631
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Speaker 4: down in the Phoenix Scottsdale area, they're talking, Man, we

632
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 4: have ten holes to fill, and we would love that,

633
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: but if we're going to move out, we got to

634
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Speaker 4: make sure that at least one of these guys is

635
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Speaker 4: starting for us day one.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna make it hurt. If you want to come up.

637
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Speaker 4: And you love this guy as much as you do,

638
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 4: it's going to be painful when you open that wallet

639
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 4: and the mobs come out, and then you find whatever

640
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 4: draft pick currency you got rattling around in there. So

641
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Speaker 4: I just wonder if it's if it's if it's even

642
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Speaker 4: if it's even attainable based on the baseline that you

643
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Speaker 4: put together, which then starts to get into the territory

644
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Speaker 4: of his team's old. This team does have a ton

645
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Speaker 4: of spots. You talk about the future of what is

646
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Speaker 4: potentially an unknown but potentially a generational talent combined with

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Speaker 4: what you feel as a generational talent, and he's on

648
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Speaker 4: your team right now, and justin Jefferson, and so how

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Speaker 4: do you help cultivate something with the generational talent that

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Speaker 4: you do have currently in the mix, and just whether

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Speaker 4: it's it's bolstering the defensive side. I'm starting, day by

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Speaker 4: day just starting to fall more and more in love

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Speaker 4: with the idea of an offensive lineman. At some point,

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Speaker 4: as we look at, you know, maybe the backside of

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Speaker 4: prime for a Brian O'Neil, it sounds it's starting to

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Speaker 4: get in my head as being Wow, that's too pricey.

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Speaker 3: I might be out. But then I watched George.

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Speaker 4: Then I watched Jeremiah Love highlights, and then I want

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Speaker 4: to spend whatever it takes to get them.

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Speaker 2: We got ripped off. They're right, we got ripped off.

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Speaker 2: I mean as the Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 4: I think it was literally just a second round pick,

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Speaker 4: and then we had to make another trade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the trade according to what I'm seeing here

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Speaker 2: the Lions Vikings twenty twenty two first round trade, the

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Speaker 2: Lions traded with the Minnesota Vikings to move up and

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Speaker 2: select wide receiver Jamison Williams at the twelve spot. Detroit

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Speaker 2: traded thirty two, thirty four and sixty six to Minnesota

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Speaker 2: in exchange for twelve and forty six. Now, so according

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Speaker 2: to the the you know just what I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: here with the NFL Draft trade chart, which is the

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Speaker 2: one that I've heard people reference. Yeah, people outside of

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Speaker 2: the media reference the picks. The Vikings gave up sixteen

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Speaker 2: hundred sixty points. So now we're going to take what's

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Speaker 2: twelfth and forty six? Well, it's sixty six is in

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Speaker 2: there too?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Five ninety five eighty and two sixty five, ninety five

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Speaker 2: eighty and two sixty what is that's that's what we

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Speaker 2: got VALUEI five eighty five eighty five, ninety five eighty

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Speaker 2: So that's thousand and seventy twelve seven thirteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we got three picks I mean effectively, what

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Speaker 4: you did.

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Speaker 2: We basically gave the equivalent what's three seventy per the chart,

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Speaker 2: We basically gave the equivalent of the fifty third overall pick. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just wow.

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Speaker 4: I mean in the end, you just did. You did

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Speaker 4: a pick swap. You got your your second round pick

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Speaker 4: forty six up to thirty four, and then you added

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Speaker 4: to six, so you moved down to the numbers. You

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Speaker 4: moved down twenty spots. Yeah, to raise your second round

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Speaker 4: pick a bit and added a third. And then in

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Speaker 4: the end, I think they did trade back from thirty

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Speaker 4: four because they got the second pick because they had

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Speaker 4: Andrew Booth and at Ingram.

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Speaker 2: You know, we gave twelve and forty six. Holy cats,

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Speaker 2: my man, and then the player didn't work out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So here's the answer, long winding answer to Tom's question,

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Speaker 4: why can't we do that? It's because we're not working.

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Speaker 4: Cracy's not the general manager of the Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: It and what I did in the second segment of

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Speaker 2: the show is to get Notre Dame running back Jeremiah Love.

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Speaker 2: You probably need to get to the three spot. You

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Speaker 2: probably need to work with Arizona. Then hope the Jets

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Speaker 2: don't play games and snipe you at two. The Arizona

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Speaker 2: draft trade chart numbers twenty two hundred. Minnesota at eighteen

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Speaker 2: is nine hundred, So you got thirteen hundred to make

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Speaker 2: up there base next year. But then you've got to

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Speaker 2: figure out what is next year's first round pick for

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Speaker 2: the Vikings maybe going to be like, all right, so

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Speaker 2: if you can sell them on twenty five, like maybe

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Speaker 2: we'll pick twenty five next year, that's seven hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty points, you still got six hundred dish to make up.

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Speaker 2: The Vikings second round pick would be included at forty nine,

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Speaker 2: that's four ten. You still got two hundred dish points

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Speaker 2: to make up. And that's assuming Arizona doesn't want a

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Speaker 2: luxury some type of luxury deal, because we are giving

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Speaker 2: you what everybody thinks and maybe knows is going to

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Speaker 2: be generational talent on offense, and everybody wants that because

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Speaker 2: it puts seats in the stands. Yeah, so you got

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Speaker 2: the pick swap, then you got next year's first, then

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Speaker 2: you got this year second, and you're still to two

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Speaker 2: hundred ish point shy, all right, Well, yeah, you keep

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Speaker 2: the rest of your picks after that, and if you

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Speaker 2: move Jonathan Grenard. You have to identify him as a

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Speaker 2: mid third round pick. They'd have to pay him, and

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Speaker 2: that's it. I mean that potentially could be it. Yeah

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Speaker 2: the way, no first next year? No, you have no first?

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Speaker 2: What about this?

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Speaker 4: We didn't have to We didn't have to trade up

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Speaker 4: for Adrian Peterson. Right, And so when we're talking about

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Speaker 4: a running back and running back, I mean running backs

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Speaker 4: would do wonders with this offense and I would love that.

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Speaker 4: But do you get worried about I mean, I know

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Speaker 4: generational talent, but just think about the position. Think about

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Speaker 4: like Todd Gurley was one of the best backs in

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Speaker 4: the year, gets like Arthurritick knees and he's gone in

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Speaker 4: a flash, and you think about how much production he had,

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Speaker 4: but how quickly he disappears from the moment.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's a singular example.

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Speaker 2: But Tay, I like the example because before the Knees

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Speaker 2: fell apart and very young in his career, Jared Goff

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Speaker 2: a legitimate quarterback. He was the Slinger. Yeah, they got

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Speaker 2: to the super Bowl. Now they didn't win it, but

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Speaker 2: they got to the super Bowl with Adrian. You know

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Speaker 2: O six was really bad. O seven. They didn't get

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Speaker 2: bumped from the playoffs till the penultimate week of the

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Speaker 2: season Sunday Night Football, Washington wins here. Yeah, and uh

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Speaker 2: and the quarterbacks that year, man, I mean I remember

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Speaker 2: Kelly Holcombe, Brooks Bollinger, Ros Bollinger was in the mix.

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Speaker 2: Oh eight, they win the division quarterbacks thus farat Tavars Jackson. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know so, but so they Adrian carried them. Oh nine,

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Speaker 2: the Gunslinger, the hof comes in. Yeah, they draft Percy

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Speaker 2: and they hit on him. Sydney's in his second year,

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Speaker 2: they hit on him, Adrian's in his third year. Hutchinson's

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Speaker 2: in the mix. So now, and defensively, you know, you

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Speaker 2: you you've got some things there too. Yeah. Well they're

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Speaker 2: a step from the super Bowl twenty ten. The whole

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Speaker 2: thing falls apart, and then you got to but then

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Speaker 2: you get to twenty twelve and ponders the quarterback Joe Webb. Eventually,

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Speaker 2: in the playoff game, Peterson wins the MVP and carries

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Speaker 2: them to the postseason. He does so that I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's you know, when you say a running back, you

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Speaker 2: know what they can do in a passing league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was different.

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Speaker 2: Well that's supposedly that's all emphasis of the the point

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Speaker 2: of the conversation is that if this guy is generational,

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Speaker 2: and these people talking to me and you heard on

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Speaker 2: the radio today and Alex has talked to people too

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Speaker 2: that said, yeah, he's generational. That's why a grandiose move

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Speaker 2: like this has to be considered. It has especially if

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Speaker 2: you can't if you can't get together with Grenard. So

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Speaker 2: I mean, like when the Grenard stuff all popped up,

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Speaker 2: I was like, well, where's this coming from. Yeah, well

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Speaker 2: this sucks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well then you you you know, you hear people say

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Speaker 2: he's underpaid, and you know the team is balling on

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00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: a budget. Let's say we're getting rosenhaused. Yeah, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean whether we're getting Rosenhause or roasting House died.

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Speaker 2: The drafts in three weeks and all of this is

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Speaker 2: pertinent at this moment, killing cuit until the everybody have

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Speaker 2: a great Easter weekend. Nine to noon. Back with you

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Speaker 2: on Monday with the Monday mock Box in the Box Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Is that that said.

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Speaker 4: If you're I just got a confirm it, but I

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Speaker 4: think we're gonna do it on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Deep Racking in Town, deep season for the Minnesota Wild.

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Speaker 2: The conversations yesterday were in the estimation of yours. Truly

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Speaker 2: rich and humorous and informative. And I'm really happy the

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Speaker 2: wild one last night, even though I don't mention this

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Speaker 2: much on KFAM. You know, unless it's like nineteen in

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Speaker 2: a row for Mike Yo, nineteen in a row for

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Speaker 2: Mike Yo, unless we went like unless we do a

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Speaker 2: vox in the box and the team wins like nineteen

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Speaker 2: consecutive like win. Jozi was here nine to noon was

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Speaker 2: on a on a a little bit of an l streak,

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Speaker 2: kind of a little bit of a scheme where vox

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00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 2: with vox in the box radio shows they weren't winning.

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Speaker 2: And now now the next one to snap are the

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Speaker 2: days that we interview Finchy FINCHI, Now, I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't know what that is like when they played that day,

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00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 2: we have PINCHI Finchy on. But they lost to Detroit

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Speaker 2: last week and we had the head coach on a

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00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: couple of days ago. So personally speaking, I don't believe

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Speaker 2: in luck. I don't believe in superstition, but that doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean other people don't. So well done, Minnesota, and we

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Speaker 2: hope to see you on Tuesday, Happy Easter on behalf

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Speaker 2: of nine to noon, the program featuring the ten of

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Speaker 2: Fitzgerald is around the corner, Young Maxwell by his side,

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Speaker 2: and thanks for listening to f M one hundred point

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Speaker 2: three k F a M. May God bless you and

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Speaker 2: all of your families have a great Easter. Bye Lucky,

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Speaker 2: we got nine to noon. Good it's good news and money.

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