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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Mark Madden X. I've said repeatedly that

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Speaker 1: the Steelers will never fire Mike Tomlin, but if it's

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Speaker 1: ever gonna happen, it'd be after they lost to Baltimore

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Speaker 1: And keep in mind, this wouldn't be the first play

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Speaker 1: This would just be well, a short collapse. But you

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Speaker 1: But what would happen? And it won't happen, But if

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Speaker 1: So if it's ever gonna happen, it's after they lose

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Speaker 1: But even though I don't think that's the case, it

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Speaker 1: I would guess they started out so flat. And maybe

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Speaker 1: And I say it again, Tom Petty. So TJ still

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Speaker 1: Cleveland plays at Cincinnati next week. When Michael Strahan of

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Speaker 1: the LEMU comeback game at Melon Arena, and that is

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest moments in Pittsburgh sports, and it's

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Speaker 1: the Mark Madden Show on one o five to nine.

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Speaker 1: Rock to the Rules.

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Speaker 1: How you liking Nappy GX at one five nine. On

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Speaker 1: the bright side, if the Steelers don't make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to New York on wild Card weekend

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Speaker 1: to see a Rangers game, Jerry Seinfeld and a Broadway show.

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Speaker 1: I got plans for Draft weekend here too in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you about those at a later dates.

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Speaker 1: But now it's time for calls on the fifteens. Now

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Speaker 1: it's time for Steelers angst. Get your calls in im

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Speaker 1: media mont that means immediately in French at A three

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Speaker 1: to Scooch and Hope, Well Scoot, you're on with double

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Speaker 3: Hey, I got a question for you about this Sunday

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Speaker 4: It's gonna sound stupid because on its face it is

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Speaker 1: I was talking about that with Tom earlier. I heard

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Speaker 1: Lamar's at one hundred percent, I obviously want him in there,

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Speaker 1: right now that because of that wonky back, he's fifty

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Speaker 1: with Snoop. Let's go to Maddie. Maddie, you're on with

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Speaker 1: Marty rather you're on with Mark. I said, good day.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Mark, I'm just wondering, what do you think the

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Speaker 4: I think the fans are gonna sell all the tickets

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Speaker 4: because they know what's coming.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I think, Well, now that

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Speaker 1: shot me if a big contingent of Ravens fans is there.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of Steeler fans have had enough

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Speaker 1: of Tomlin. I think they've had enough of the way

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Speaker 1: every season feels like the prior.

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Speaker 4: However, many I think the Rooney's gonna make a statement

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Speaker 4: right now, fire him tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: You can't do that right now, but if they lost

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, I'd fired Tom before he got off the field.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. Oh wait, Art, the second

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Speaker 1: this just came out, he didn't make a statement. I

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Speaker 5: M Mark loved The Godfather to reference. But anyways, I

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Speaker 5: find the national media members that continue to send Tom

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Speaker 1: I keep harping on, and I heard Paul Alexander nearly

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Speaker 1: his nineteen seasons. That's rotten. That just is rotten. He

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Speaker 5: And this might make me a bad fan, but at

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Speaker 5: this point, I basically root for whatever further exposes and

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Speaker 5: embarrasses coach Tomlin. I just I'm kind of at that

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Speaker 5: point with them in this team, nothing will change unless,

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Speaker 5: you know, unless he steps down, which he won't.

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Speaker 1: It comes to every team but the Penguins in Liverpool.

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Speaker 1: I root for whatever will make me the most money.

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Speaker 1: But and so I need the Steelers to win and

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Speaker 1: get me another viewing party. But if they lose, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're right. The embarrassment to Tom went in the franchise

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Speaker 1: and all the yocals out there getting it shoved up

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Speaker 1: their backside, that will be no small constellation. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to Zach. Zach, you're all with.

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Speaker 6: Mark, Mark, we're gonna miss Darnell Washington. And quite frankly,

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Speaker 6: I thought I was a bit uncouth you saying you

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Speaker 6: would break his arm more with an X ray machine.

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Speaker 6: That's you're classier than that.

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Speaker 7: Mark.

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Speaker 1: No, No, first off, I'm not classier than that. And

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Speaker 1: he's not in great pain, and they're better off without him,

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Speaker 1: They're they're better off with the real tight ends playing.

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Speaker 6: He is a real tight end.

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Speaker 1: No, he's not. He's a He's a fat bastard who

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Speaker 1: had one viral moment. Other than that, he does nothing.

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Speaker 6: I'm aware around defenders he's blocker and you know what coach,

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Speaker 6: he's good Mark coach, he's good. Cam Newton say, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, see, I think you're beat well. Cam Newton dresses

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Speaker 1: better than me. I can't do the pimp thing. But

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Speaker 1: He's gonna ride in. I can't wait till they lose.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait till they lose. I can't wait till

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Speaker 1: till they lose. But thank you for the call. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I want him to win. Like I said viewing party,

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Speaker 1: All right, that was angst. I like it, and I

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Speaker 1: went really dropped the X ray machine on Darnell Washington's

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Speaker 1: He broke his arm yesterday in Cleveland. I'm Scott, David.

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Speaker 1: There's certainly a lot to dissect after the Steelers lost

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Speaker 1: He is our football guru, former pro and college Scott

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. Matt, let me start with a very basic question,

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Speaker 1: how on earth did the Steelers screw that up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's I've said this a thousand times.

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Speaker 1: Matt, he said it a thousand times, but couldn't say it. Then, Okay,

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Speaker 1: he uses to lift the fork. So we wish Darnell

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to be ignorant by saying I'm glad

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Speaker 1: to talk for a moment about Saturday night being the

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Speaker 1: But still that Lemieux night, the comeback. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: back to square one. How the Steeler screw that up?

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Speaker 3: And again, this is the crux of the whole conversation

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Speaker 3: is I'll say it a million times, it's a game

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Speaker 3: you can't lose. You have to win that game. You

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Speaker 3: have to win that game. I'll say it over and

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Speaker 3: over and over. But let's just break down some aspects

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Speaker 3: a danger. Stefanski's a really good offensive mind. They do

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Speaker 3: is totally unacceptable. Now there's other aspects. You look at

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Speaker 3: to nothing. That's great, And frankly Sawyer could have scored

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Speaker 3: So that's all great, but you missed the field. That's

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Speaker 3: the exact same thing as a turnover. You are zero

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Speaker 3: But they had no wide receivers that could beat man coverage.

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Speaker 3: Agreed, And I think you nailed it, And to be honest,

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Speaker 3: I think that has worked in the Steelers favor a

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the testament that who he is. But

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Speaker 3: I mean I also think, like people don't think about this,

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Speaker 3: But I think all throughout his career he has checked

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Speaker 3: where they're at right now. You know, Arthur Smith wants

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday kind of convinced me that I would not

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Speaker 1: bring him back. I don't think he's going to be

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Speaker 1: probably a conversation for later. But the most upsetting thing

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Speaker 1: But I'm wondering which cause which.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, he frankly admitted it after he didn't

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Speaker 3: it's a little disturbing when your forty two year old

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Speaker 1: Well, and especially at.

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Speaker 3: Exactly now, I will say that defense is exactly the

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Speaker 3: And there's no question about that. And there weren't great answers.

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Speaker 3: It's easy for us to say on Monday, why not

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Speaker 3: But there weren't obvious answers when you're getting nothing from

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Speaker 1: If DJ plays, did they win?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? That simple, Yeah, I do. I mean, I just

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Speaker 3: But I just think his presence is enough to score you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Mark, if they score a touchdown yesterday, whether

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Speaker 3: I the one thing I couldn't agree more with is

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Speaker 3: And I've thought that almost every week this year. I

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Speaker 3: aren't winning at all.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about football guru, Matt Williamson. He's brought to

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Speaker 1: the team even shop dot Steelers dot com. Matt, you

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Speaker 1: talked about the defensive end of this, but I thought

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Speaker 1: the Steelers came out flat on both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 1: That happens a lot, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now a little less than it used to. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they used to be so bad on opening drives, and

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Speaker 3: if you look at like points per quarter, it's not

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Speaker 3: as bad in the first quarter as it has been.

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Speaker 3: I'm not big on the word flat. I just start.

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Speaker 1: I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think it was a lack of

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Speaker 3: effort or a lack of prep. Who knows, maybe it

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Speaker 3: is a lack of prep. That's a hard thing to comment.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it's lack of effort. I just think,

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Speaker 1: like like you said, when you give away the first

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Speaker 1: quarter to one of the worst teams in the league,

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Speaker 1: there's something wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so I should have brought this. I

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Speaker 3: got cut off. I thought I was talking to you

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Speaker 3: actually before the Patriots Jet game. I mean, the Jets

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Speaker 3: are a horrendous organization. They're gonna take the top five,

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Speaker 3: just like the Browns. The Patriots ended that thing in

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Speaker 3: forty five seconds into the game, you know, like just

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Speaker 3: to assert your dominance, you're the better team. Don't let

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Speaker 3: him hang around. End it in the first round. Rarely

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Speaker 3: do we see this team do that.

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Speaker 1: Now, how do you view this Baltimore game. Baltimore certainly

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Speaker 1: comes in with a lot of adrenaline and momentum. I

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Speaker 1: thought they battered green Bay physically.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I thought it was a rather embarrassing performance by

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Speaker 3: green Bay's defense. But Henry does this every year when

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Speaker 3: the weather chain is, when it gets late, he gets

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Speaker 3: better and better and better. I have no idea what

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Speaker 3: Lamar's situation is, but I almost don't. It definitely matters

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Speaker 3: a mind. Well we're fifty okay, okay, so I bet

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Speaker 3: that's probably forty sixty. I mean I doubt, I mean

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Speaker 3: they lean towards him not playing. Who knows, I would assume.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know exactly what you're gonna get from Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna hand it to Henry a thousand times, and

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Speaker 3: it's gonna get really old tackling him. And you know,

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Speaker 3: the Steelers aren't going to be winning by twenty to

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Speaker 3: make that an impossibility. And the other side of the ball,

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Speaker 3: they're gonna play single high safety and they're gonna do

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Speaker 3: exactly what Cleveland did in terms of man coverage. But

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Speaker 3: the difference is they don't generate a pass rush. They

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Speaker 3: have to get pass rush through blitz. They don't have

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Speaker 3: Miles Garrett and the other guys, So I don't think

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Speaker 3: they'll be as good at it as Cleveland was. And

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be a big thing with the Steiler coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I did a show with Mike Pursuider earlier

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Speaker 3: did a really good point. He said, you at least

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Speaker 3: have the Browns game to have a test run as

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Speaker 3: a coaching staff to figure out what worked what didn't. Now,

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Speaker 3: how do they adjust you mean with that, DK? Yes, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean now you have a one game sample size. No, DK,

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Speaker 3: you know what you're gonna get on defense. You're very

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Speaker 3: familiar with Harbaugh and his staff. What are you gonna do?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the I mean I would never say

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Speaker 1: they're better off with Lamar out, but maybe they're better

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Speaker 1: off with Snoop in there instead of Lamar. If Lamar

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Speaker 1: is only forty percent or whatever. I think Lamar in

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Speaker 1: there dinged up. I mean, there's always the need to

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Speaker 1: keep him involved and make him look like an MVP.

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Speaker 1: I think with Snoop they just handed to Derrick Henry,

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Speaker 1: and I think that serves them well in this game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Huntley played well. I mean if you just

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Speaker 3: isolate on him in green Bay, he played a good

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Speaker 3: game too. It wasn't just Henry and I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: I mean I've heard some narrative that, oh man, Lamar's overrated.

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Speaker 3: You know that they don't need them. That's insane. I mean,

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Speaker 3: but a very, very compromised version of Lamar. This might

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Speaker 3: be the better version with Huntley. Yes, I can get

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Speaker 3: behind that, but if he's practicing in full and looks good,

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Speaker 3: that makes life way harder. I'm the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Well, like you said, Matt, Snoop don't suck. He played

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Speaker 1: really good against Green Bay. And the thing with him

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Speaker 1: is he's like Lamar light in the I mean, if

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Speaker 1: he has to play, you can use pretty much the

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Speaker 1: same game plan exactly.

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Speaker 3: Talking on the drive just now about I never understood

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Speaker 3: how they got away from Huntley, I mean why he

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Speaker 3: should have been their lifetime backup forever. He ended up

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Speaker 3: in Miami, it was at Cleveland. He's perfect for what

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Speaker 3: they do is the number two is a you know,

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Speaker 3: a Miller Lte version of Lamar?

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Speaker 1: What happened to Baltimore this year? Because I loved their

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Speaker 1: roster before the season, still do. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: among the best in the league. Why have they just

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Speaker 1: gone south like they have?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's super easy to say it's Lamar's injury, and

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Speaker 3: yes that has a lot to do with it, But

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Speaker 3: they have bigger problems than that, much bigger problems. And

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Speaker 3: I picked them to win the Super Bowl. I thought

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Speaker 3: this was the year they were going to explode. But

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Speaker 3: they're both Their lines of scrimmage leave a lot to

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Speaker 3: be desired. Their guard positions are very poor. Other than Linderbaum,

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Speaker 3: they're below average basically across the board. On the offensive line,

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Speaker 3: I expect her big high Smith, maybe Watt definitely Cam

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Speaker 3: to win those battles. And then their defensive line is

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Speaker 3: a real problem too. They lost Madam Bouquet early. He

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Speaker 3: was kind of straw that starved to drink. And they

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Speaker 3: don't have any real one verse one pass rush winners

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Speaker 3: right now either. So those are the main problems, and

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Speaker 3: those are problems before Lamar got hurt. I mean, those

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Speaker 3: are problems the first month of the season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing about that lost to Cleveland and it

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Speaker 1: sucked on so many levels. I know you agree, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but they could have really used week eighteen in this

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Speaker 1: Ravens game to rest Rogers and Ramsey and Cam and

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Speaker 1: you know, all the names, maybe even Watt for an

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Speaker 1: extra week, assuming he's ready to play, which I think

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Speaker 1: is a big assumption. I don't think we really know.

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Speaker 1: But now you're not only making them play Week eighteen.

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Speaker 1: A Ravens game was so much on the line. That's

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Speaker 1: the equivalent of a five car pile up, isn't it,

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Speaker 1: you know exactly?

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Speaker 3: That's the opportunity lost. I mean, you can still win

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Speaker 3: the division. It should be a fun atmosphere, you can

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Speaker 3: go into the playoffs. But what could have been, what

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Speaker 3: you sacrificed is rest, you know. I mean I would

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Speaker 3: have rested everybody. I would have played Caleb Johnson and

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Speaker 3: Will Howard and Roman Wilson and got beat by a million.

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Speaker 3: I don't care. Because they're an older team. They had

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Speaker 3: the earliest bye week you possibly can have, and now

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Speaker 3: physically you can't be where you could have been if

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Speaker 3: even if you do win next week, mind close?

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Speaker 1: Who do you like? I like Baltimore, but I don't

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Speaker 1: want to assume they're gonna beat him because they have

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Speaker 1: the momentum because the Steelers lost at Cleveland. I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be like a low scoring game and probably

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Speaker 1: up for grabs at the end.

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Speaker 3: What say you, Yeah, it's a little early in the

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Speaker 3: week for me to dig in. But we did see

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Speaker 3: this recently, and I would like no more about all injuries,

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Speaker 3: especially Lamar. But I do think the world's overreacting to

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Speaker 3: Baltimore played well this week, Steelers played bad, so they're

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Speaker 3: going to destroy the Steelers. I don't see it that way.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you that I do expect a low twenty

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Speaker 3: to twenty one type of game.

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Speaker 1: Now, let's say the Steelers lose and don't make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Does the team need to shake up? I mean, where's

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Speaker 1: the team go from there?

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Speaker 3: So I wonder I know this isn't what you ask,

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Speaker 3: but does the loser of this head coach and organization

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Speaker 3: feel a lot of heat?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 3: I think that's.

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Speaker 1: Feeling heat and getting fired or two different things. But

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Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean I tend to think so too, because expectations

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Speaker 3: in Baltimore were super bow or bust, and he only

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Speaker 3: make the playoffs. Expectations here are win a playoff game,

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Speaker 3: and you only make the playoffs. You know, like in

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Speaker 3: both the coaches, the staffs, et cetera have been there

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Speaker 3: a really long time. I don't think anything would happen

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Speaker 3: in either organization though, no matter what happens, though, I.

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Speaker 1: Tend to agree with that, and I think that might

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Speaker 1: be a mistake in Matt, Like, even if you don't

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Speaker 1: want to call either coach a bad coach or even

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Speaker 1: say he's doing a bad job, doesn't the message get

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Speaker 1: lost after such a long.

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Speaker 3: Term history shows, especially in this league, that it does.

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Speaker 3: You know that a lot of the best coaches, the Walshes,

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Speaker 3: some of those guys ten to twelve years is kind

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Speaker 3: of your sweet spot, and there is a lot of evidence,

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Speaker 3: and you know, you look at New England, you look

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Speaker 3: at Jacksonville, you look at Chicago, and there's others where

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Speaker 3: you hire a bright, young coach and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: a bad team turns into a good team.

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Speaker 1: Matt, I'm not even sure where to go talking about

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, like yesterday, dumbfounded me one last thing, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you felt the same way. I was convinced

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Speaker 1: they were gonna win on that last possession that dead

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Speaker 1: tit and go to overtime and win it. I just

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Speaker 1: couldn't fathom they're losing that game. And like you said,

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Speaker 1: it was a game you couldn't lose.

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Speaker 3: I thought so too. I mean, I thought the longer

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Speaker 3: the game goes on, the better the chance they have

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Speaker 3: to win. If they get the overtime, I love their chances.

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Speaker 3: Rogers will figure things out. And then you look at

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Speaker 3: it and like, who's my playmakers, you know? And there

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Speaker 3: just wasn't any. And I was shocked in the end

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Speaker 3: that they left that place of the loss.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt has always great stuff, great analysis. Will do

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Speaker 1: it again next week.

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Speaker 3: Enjoyed football, all right, man, take care of yourself.

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