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Speaker 2: It's indeed that time again. Top five and five. First

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Speaker 2: time we've had a chance to have guards. You participate

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Speaker 2: the quarterfinals right pig ten quarterfinals by losing in uncharacteristic

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Speaker 2: like sloppy, turnover filled fashion right to the fighting a

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Speaker 2: Lina is that that was the key to it.

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Speaker 3: Correct to Ohio State. Excuse me, I keep saying, Yeah

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Speaker 3: we couldn't make shots. I think there were four of

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Speaker 3: Now it's not lost, I say, if you ask me today,

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Speaker 3: in the right spot. There's one little wrinkle that happened

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Speaker 2: If UCLA that much better than the rest of the

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Speaker 3: at six. Where do I want to start. Here's the

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Speaker 2: Looking at it. I'm glad you. I wanted to be

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Speaker 2: hot and cold on cream cheese. Not I don't mind.

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Speaker 2: Just toasted with a little butter, with other case made

433
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Speaker 2: or a sandwich.

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Speaker 3: Bat'll work. Their egg sandwiches are very good if they

435
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Speaker 3: just as long as the bagel gets crispy. As you know,

436
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Speaker 3: that's the key to my existence.

437
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Speaker 2: Huge, and I've had to fight that battle for years

438
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Speaker 2: in the burger Ston't no, you don't want to. I've

439
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Speaker 2: kind of learned to deal with it, or the or

440
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Speaker 2: the cloudy spasil. All right, let's do this. Let's make

441
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Speaker 2: this bottom of the hour pause. Ben Gesling usually joins us

442
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Speaker 2: on Friday. He's gonna join us today.

443
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Speaker 3: Not so much to talk Vikings moves, although we might

444
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Speaker 3: touch on it, but to talk marathon running. You might

445
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Speaker 3: have heard about a traumatic not traumatic, well, it might

446
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Speaker 3: have been traumatic to the loser, dramatic finish in the

447
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Speaker 3: La marathon. We need a marathon man's view and analysis

448
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: of exactly what took place, how unusual it is, and

449
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Speaker 3: how historic it might have been. Ben Gestling on all

450
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Speaker 3: of that.

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Speaker 4: Next, Okay, how close is Michael from here? Are we?

452
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Speaker 4: Is he within iesight from us.

453
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Speaker 3: In the last few I don't know.

454
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Speaker 4: Here, here he comes, on, here he comes. So let's

455
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Speaker 4: get right back down the Tanish line so we can

456
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Speaker 4: watch Michael across the line. Here, Michael Kamal from Kenya.

457
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Speaker 3: Just over two hours and eleven brothers on the clock.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, wow, whoa the Martin naow Nathan.

459
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Speaker 4: Martin, who oh my good god. Yeah, it is a

460
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Speaker 4: phto finish.

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Speaker 5: For Michael crowning of the twenty twenty six eighth LA

462
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Speaker 5: Marathon champion.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure nowhere because we can only see just

464
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Speaker 3: a little bit beyond.

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Speaker 4: We have to see that playback, just see exactly what

466
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Speaker 4: happened there.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're stepping on each other's touchdown. Called I wanted

468
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Speaker 3: to get you a little bit of the flavor of

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Speaker 3: the coverage of the Los Angeles Los Angeles Marathon, the

470
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Speaker 3: rather stunning finish to the twenty six point two mile

471
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Speaker 3: race in which there basically is a coronation for Michael

472
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Speaker 3: Kamal of Kenya, that's what they're assuming. And then out

473
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Speaker 3: of nowhere here comes this.

474
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Speaker 2: American I believe from Michigan named Nathan Martin to chase

475
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Speaker 2: him down a marathon kick at the end, and it

476
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Speaker 2: ended up being a photo finish, and indeed Martin finishes

477
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Speaker 2: just ahead of the guy who'd been pretty much in

478
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Speaker 2: charge of the race from almost the beginning, which I

479
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Speaker 2: think begins at Dodger Stadium, if I'm not mistaken. Who

480
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Speaker 2: else do we talk to to help better process this

481
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Speaker 2: and to analyze it than our very own marathon man

482
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Speaker 2: Ben Gesling, of course, who also as a sidelight covers

483
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Speaker 2: the vikings for the Star Tribune. Have you ever participated

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Speaker 2: in the Law Angeles Marathon?

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Speaker 1: I am not.

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Speaker 5: I've run marathons in I think three different states, okay,

487
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Speaker 5: but not on the West Coast.

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Speaker 3: No, okay, fair enough? So I were you aware of

489
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Speaker 3: this later? Did you watch it?

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Speaker 2: What do he explain it to me? Because I gotta

491
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Speaker 2: believe it's pretty unusual. You know, in those of us

492
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Speaker 2: who grew up watching track and field on ABC's Wide

493
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Speaker 2: World of Sports, we think of a kick in a

494
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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred meter race. There was there was one of

495
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Speaker 2: my favorite runners growing up, the guy named Dave Waddle

496
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Speaker 2: who used to he used to heat. His signature was

497
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Speaker 2: that who had the ball cap that he wore, and that's.

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Speaker 1: What he would do.

499
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Speaker 3: He would lollygag to most of the race and still

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Speaker 3: find a way with a late kick to win it.

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Speaker 3: We don't usually think of late kicks when it comes

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Speaker 3: to marathons though, correct, no, we don't, and not.

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Speaker 5: To that degree. I mean, you'll see the occasional somebody's

504
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Speaker 5: making a move late in a race, But to watch this,

505
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Speaker 5: I mean, yes, it popped up on the socials yesterday

506
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Speaker 5: and saw it from a number of different people, and

507
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Speaker 5: you don't see somebody strike from that far out with

508
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Speaker 5: that kind of a move in a marathon almost ever.

509
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Speaker 5: And I sent it to my runners at Apple Valley

510
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Speaker 5: this morning. We had our first day at track practice

511
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Speaker 5: today and I told them all the time a lot

512
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Speaker 5: of what you can do to help yourself late in

513
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Speaker 5: the race is get your feet turning over faster. They

514
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Speaker 5: hear me, yell quick feet probably more than anything else.

515
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Speaker 5: If you watch the end of that race, and I

516
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Speaker 5: think the winner or the guy that was leading may

517
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Speaker 5: have just been gassed. They thought he had it in

518
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Speaker 5: the bag. But the rate at which Nathan Martin is

519
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Speaker 5: turning his feet over was to me what changed that race,

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Speaker 5: and you know, the other piece of this, I don't

521
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Speaker 5: know if this popped up as much, but the leader,

522
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Speaker 5: I think a little further back probably in that last mile,

523
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Speaker 5: got let off the course. He gets like taken off

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Speaker 5: to the kind of a side of some cones and

525
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Speaker 5: then has to stop for a couple of seconds. And

526
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Speaker 5: so you're not thinking it's gonna be that big of

527
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Speaker 5: a deal, but in this kind of a thing, when

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Speaker 5: it's a couple tens of a second, it absolutely was

529
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Speaker 5: a big deal. So that piece of this goes into

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Speaker 5: it two. It's it's the most bizarre marathon finish I've

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Speaker 5: ever seen. I think the Olympic Women's marathon a couple

532
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Speaker 5: of years ago in Paris came down to a kind

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Speaker 5: of a sprint at the end, or at least as

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Speaker 5: close to spreading as you're gonna get at the end

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Speaker 5: of a race like that. But to see it be

536
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Speaker 5: at the tape where the guy's diving for it and yeah,

537
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Speaker 5: the tape's already broken and he falls that it's going

538
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Speaker 5: to be one of those that you see for a

539
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Speaker 5: long time. Unfortunately for the guy that was second, probably

540
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Speaker 5: into memes, but yeah, it was a pretty unique thing.

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Speaker 5: To see. Yes, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: What fascinates me about it is you can you can

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Speaker 2: look at it from a detached view and you're watching

544
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Speaker 2: it and you want to go to the guy who's ahead,

545
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Speaker 2: he's gaining on you. But when it's a marathon, and again,

546
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Speaker 2: you can speak to this far more than I can.

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Speaker 2: I assume if if you're gashed at the end of

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Speaker 2: twenty six miles your gas, you literally might not have

549
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Speaker 2: it in you to take any other kind of gear

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Speaker 2: other than I'm going to continue to go at the

551
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Speaker 2: pace I've gone because I've.

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Speaker 3: Got nothing left.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying to think. I mean my last marathon

554
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Speaker 5: rant Grandma's Marathon a couple of years ago. It felt

555
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Speaker 5: really good at the end, so I was moving at

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Speaker 5: the end, but not like that. I mean, you don't

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Speaker 5: see people change gears the way Nathan Martin did from

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Speaker 5: that far out. So yeah, the leader. I mean, I've

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Speaker 5: been in marathons many times where you're trying to finish

560
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Speaker 5: and if somebody forced me in a situation like that,

561
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Speaker 5: say hey, you've got to change the gear and hammer

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Speaker 5: it here. There have been raises where I don't know

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Speaker 5: that I would have had that much left because it's

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Speaker 5: it's a different kind of It's not like you're out

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Speaker 5: of breath and your lungs are on fire. It's just

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Speaker 5: the dull ache of my legs don't want to turn

567
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Speaker 5: over anymore because they've been brashed for this long. So

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Speaker 5: he may not have had an answer to it. He

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Speaker 5: looks back a couple of times in the clip, and

570
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Speaker 5: I'm kind of thinking, dude, you can hear him come in.

571
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Speaker 5: I would hope that you would answer with just a

572
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Speaker 5: couple of steps and that would end it. But he

573
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Speaker 5: may not have had that much left.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Exactly, but yeah, it was quite a stunning finish because

576
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Speaker 5: even when you're watching him, he didn't have enough time.

577
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 5: There's no way he's gonna catch him, no no chance.

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Speaker 5: He managed to squeeze in right at the table.

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Speaker 2: When you saw that last stretch, I'm saying, well, this

580
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Speaker 2: is a nice this is a noble effort, but there's

581
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Speaker 2: literally not enough time to do it.

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Speaker 3: Apparently that they.

583
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Speaker 2: Both on the preliminary results sheet, they both finished at

584
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Speaker 2: the same time two eleven sixteen point fifty, but then

585
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Speaker 2: it ended up being I think literally a photo finish.

586
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: Correct. That's how they determined the winner in this.

587
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Speaker 5: Case, Yeah, it is, and it got down to the

588
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Speaker 5: thousands of the thousands or second. Been on the business.

589
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Speaker 5: I've been on the business end of one of those

590
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Speaker 5: really high school four by eight about seven years ago.

591
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Speaker 5: We got out leaned at the line and took two

592
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Speaker 5: hours to go down to the thousandths of the second

593
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Speaker 5: to find out that we were third in the top

594
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Speaker 5: two went to state. So I have been on the

595
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Speaker 5: a very bitter end of that before, or the teams

596
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Speaker 5: got coach had been. So yeah, they take it down

597
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Speaker 5: to I mean, basically what they're doing is the camera

598
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Speaker 5: will have stop motion stuff and they're basically taking you know,

599
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 5: like you'd hit first mode on your phone or something.

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Speaker 5: They're taking photos that quickly and you can see who

601
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Speaker 5: came through first. The tricky thing sometimes with it is

602
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Speaker 5: the tape is not the official finish line. Uh you

603
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Speaker 5: know the first you see that hit the timing, right ya,

604
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Speaker 5: That typically.

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Speaker 3: Is kind of what they record.

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Speaker 5: So I almost wonder if it was one of those

607
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Speaker 5: where they said, look, the guy made the effort, he

608
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Speaker 5: did break the tape first, we have to give it

609
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Speaker 5: to him, and let's put the times accordingly. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: when the Kenya. I think hits the first time you

611
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Speaker 5: had before the American does, So it was one of

612
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Speaker 5: those to me even that was kind of unusual. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think it was one of those when you see

614
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Speaker 5: it happen and you know it's going to be everywhere.

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Speaker 5: He did break the tape. I mean that's what everybody

616
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Speaker 5: obviously is straining forward. You see both of them straining

617
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Speaker 5: to get to the tape, so you know. But yes,

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Speaker 5: it's they ended up. I mean, the results that you

619
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Speaker 5: see here one hundredths of a second, but I'm sure

620
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Speaker 5: they took it down to the thousands to see who

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Speaker 5: split the hair first.

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Speaker 2: Apparently there was another competitor, a Kenya named Priscott Charono

623
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Speaker 2: maybe mangling that last name. Led from mile one to

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Speaker 2: mile twenty six. Uh, and then Camal ends up. So

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Speaker 2: here's the other thing.

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Speaker 3: You tell me what this means. At the at the

627
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Speaker 3: twenty four point eight mile mark, Comal's time was two

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Speaker 3: oh three p forty. Martin was two oh four thirty six.

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Speaker 3: So that's basically and I can do that map a

630
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Speaker 3: minute behind. So is that a ridiculous amount of to

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Speaker 3: make up given you're down to basically the last you

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Speaker 3: know mile and a half and yes.

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Speaker 5: That is insane. I mean, you do not see especially

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Speaker 5: when these guys are moving this bass and we're talking

635
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Speaker 5: people running sub five minute miles. Yeah, through that that's

636
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Speaker 5: their marathon tape, so you don't make up that kind

637
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Speaker 5: of time and with that little to go. I mean

638
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Speaker 5: I read a couple of things with him this morning.

639
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Speaker 5: I think he said, flat miles left. He started to

640
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Speaker 5: make a move because nobody else was moving, and he said,

641
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Speaker 5: I think, you know, half mile out or something. He

642
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Speaker 5: saw far enough up, or he saw the guy with

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Speaker 5: a half mile up the row, and he said, I'm

644
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Speaker 5: going to catch this guy. So the level of composure

645
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Speaker 5: that it takes to say I can reel this guy

646
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Speaker 5: in even if it seems like it's going to be

647
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Speaker 5: too late, that takes a level of grit and a

648
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Speaker 5: level of tenacity that is not something you see very often.

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Speaker 5: I've coached at Augsburg this year as well, and Mohammed

650
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Speaker 5: Bati was our top runner at the national meet. He

651
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Speaker 5: got tripped in the first t miles, falls down, He's

652
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Speaker 5: in like one hundred and thirty, geth place. But you

653
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 5: can either say, well it's not my day, or you

654
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 5: can panic and try to sprint and get yourself in

655
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 5: trouble that way. So the level of composure that it's no,

656
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Speaker 5: I'm just going to keep at it and keep at

657
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 5: it and keep at it and I can reel the

658
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 5: guy in. That takes a level of mental toughness that

659
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: the physical part of this is involved with the mental

660
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 5: toughness that goes into this is is commendable for for

661
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Speaker 5: Nathan Martin as well.

662
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Speaker 3: I think. So when we're talking about you know, runners

663
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Speaker 3: at this level, you know, either winning events like this

664
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Speaker 3: or competing for winning events like this, what how does

665
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Speaker 3: one based on your experience?

666
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Speaker 2: I get how you train physically? How do you train mentally?

667
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: How do you prepare yourself mentally to give yourself the

668
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Speaker 2: best chance?

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Speaker 5: That is the biggest part of the job, it is.

670
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 5: I mean, running is a mental game as much as

671
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Speaker 5: anything else. And Elliott Kipchogi, who was the world record holder,

672
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 5: was the Olympic champion a couple of times broke two

673
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Speaker 5: hours in a kind of time trial type setting. I mean,

674
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Speaker 5: if people say, well, it's not the official world records,

675
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 5: like the guy still ran one fifty nine, somebody had

676
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Speaker 5: to go do it. So I don't really take much

677
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Speaker 5: away from him for that. But a lot of what

678
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Speaker 5: he talks about is the thing that I have gotten

679
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 5: better at is my mind and understanding that I can

680
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 5: make peace with the pain. I'm not going to freak

681
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Speaker 5: out if I'm in a little bit of pain. It's

682
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Speaker 5: not that my body is shutting down. It's to check

683
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 5: engine light in the car, that kind of stuff. And

684
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Speaker 5: understanding that being in a little bit of discomfort, being

685
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Speaker 5: in a little bit of pain, even if it gets

686
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 5: to be pretty significant, it doesn't mean everything is stopping

687
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 5: and shutting down. And understanding that I can ride through

688
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 5: the discomfort is part of it. And marathon training is

689
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 5: a lot of it's different than a lot of other distances.

690
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Speaker 5: It's a lot about just putting a lot of mileage

691
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Speaker 5: on your your legs, and there are other things to

692
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 5: it too. You want to get to the point where

693
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 5: you can run fast in a race, especially if you're

694
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Speaker 5: at that level. There's components of the workouts that you'll

695
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 5: do to try to help yourself be more efficient. But

696
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Speaker 5: a lot of it is just violence matters. And you'll

697
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Speaker 5: see elite marathon or is probably putting in you know,

698
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Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty hundred and forty miles a week

699
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Speaker 5: a lot of times, you know, when I've done them,

700
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Speaker 5: I've probably gotten up to sixty five and just that's

701
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Speaker 5: kind of all I felt I had time to do.

702
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Speaker 5: And I'm I'm fast enough to qualify for the Boston

703
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Speaker 5: Erathon and just in the three hours, but I'm not

704
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 5: on this level, not even close to this level, and

705
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Speaker 5: I don't expectly it'll be. But a lot of it

706
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Speaker 5: is it takes a lot of time. It's it's putting

707
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Speaker 5: in the miles, it's recovering, it's refueling, it's treating your

708
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 5: body well. It's just a lot of repetitive, consistent, kind

709
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Speaker 5: of monotonous kind of stuff, and some people gravitate to that,

710
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Speaker 5: and people do tend to do pretty well on race day.

711
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Speaker 2: Well, the event itself can be monotonous to the extent

712
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Speaker 2: in terms of watching it, to the extent that it

713
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Speaker 2: takes so long. Obviously, that's probably part of the reason

714
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Speaker 2: why it's not the most popular, you know, not the

715
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Speaker 2: most compelling TV all the time. But I you know,

716
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Speaker 2: I've said before, if you could, if you could guarantee

717
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Speaker 2: those kinds of finishes, it probably would be a lot

718
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Speaker 2: more popular.

719
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Speaker 3: It's just that that's easier said than done. That's the

720
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Speaker 3: point of that.

721
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Speaker 2: I think it kind of proves the point about how

722
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Speaker 2: how challenging this sort of thing is to try to

723
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Speaker 2: make sure that there's an actual horse race at the

724
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Speaker 2: end of a marathon.

725
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that is not something you see very often. I

726
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 5: think it has become a little more common for whatever reason.

727
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 5: I think people are just getting the fields are getting

728
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 5: more competitive. Everybody around the world is getting faster, everybody's

729
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 5: getting smarter about how to train and the shoes they

730
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 5: wear and how to fuel and all of that kind

731
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 5: of stuff. You see, kind of the difference is getting

732
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 5: a little bit smaller over time. But yeah, this is

733
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Speaker 5: not something you see very often. I will say that

734
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Speaker 5: in shorter track and field races, you see it all

735
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Speaker 5: the time. I mean that those things get pretty exciting

736
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 5: and everybody's like, well, everybody gets fired up with the

737
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 5: Kentucky Derby that's two minutes around the track. It's like

738
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Speaker 5: a lot of the shorter track and field races are

739
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Speaker 5: the same thing, and it's the same length of time,

740
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Speaker 5: it's the same you know, level of competitiveness, level of

741
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Speaker 5: a close fish. I mean if that as we scambling

742
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 5: obviously that goes into horse racing. But those races, I

743
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 5: think a lot of times in the Olympics, you know,

744
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Speaker 5: the eight hundred and fifteen hundred, some of those things,

745
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 5: there's a little bit of time for it to play out,

746
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Speaker 5: but it's going to be close. Those make pretty good TV,

747
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 5: and they're pretty rewatchable on YouTube and that kind of

748
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 5: thing as well. So peop will tend to be like, ah,

749
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 5: I'm not going to get that into this, but like now,

750
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 5: it can be pretty exciting TV in those settings, and

751
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 5: obviously you get something like this, it's pretty compelling too.

752
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Speaker 2: Like you said, zero point all one seconds ended up

753
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Speaker 2: being the difference between the two. I thought you might

754
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: be inspired in part because, as I mentioned, Nathan Martin

755
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Speaker 2: is a high school track coach in Michigan.

756
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Speaker 3: I mean that's you know, that's not all that different

757
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 3: for what you up to. I thought that might be

758
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Speaker 3: your inspiration right there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw it this morning, and I figured you'd

760
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 5: ask you about that. It's like, I am fast enough,

761
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 5: Like my marathon PR is two hours and fifty eight minutes,

762
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 5: so it's not shabby, and I think there's probably a

763
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 5: better one in there for me yet based on my

764
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 5: time shorter distances. But I am I'm fast enough to

765
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 5: be in a race like that and finish relatively high.

766
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Speaker 5: I am not anywhere close to fast enough to win it.

767
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 5: I mean the fact that that guy came through, I

768
00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 5: mean that performance will be it will make I'm legendary

769
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Speaker 5: in the distance running world. So for him to go

770
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Speaker 5: back to coaching that group out of this, I can

771
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 5: only imagine what it's like when he walks back to

772
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Speaker 5: the team. Yeah, so, guys, how was your weekend? You know,

773
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 5: you might have seen me on TV, you might have

774
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 5: seen me on Instagram. That's reels and yeah, so it's

775
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 5: going to be one of those things where it's like

776
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 5: you want them. I mean when you're talking at high

777
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 5: school kids, it's like I see things sometimes ten times figuring,

778
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 5: you know, you might catch one of them. You might

779
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 5: catch ten percent. But now it would be like, hey,

780
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 5: you guys might want to listen up to what I

781
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 5: have to say. I might have something to offer to you.

782
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 5: So I imagine his return back to his team is

783
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 5: going to be quite the scene if that hasn't happened already.

784
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: How old are you?

785
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 5: I am forty three?

786
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: Okay, so what is considered I don't even know. I mean,

787
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: like what's considered prime national competitive marathon.

788
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 5: Age, Well, it can be in your thirties. I mean

789
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 5: I think you've seen. I mean I mentioned Elio Kipchogi.

790
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 5: I think he set the world record in his late

791
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 5: thirties and one Olympic gold. I think in his late thirties.

792
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 5: I believe he's a year younger than me. And obviously

793
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 5: Nathan Martin is in his mid thirties. So you see, guys,

794
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 5: I mean Calvin Kipton had broken the world record before

795
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 5: he was tragically killed in a car crash a couple

796
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 5: of years ago. He was in his twenties, and you know,

797
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 5: certainly you're going to be that athletic peak of twenty seven,

798
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 5: twenty eight years old. He's in play in this world,

799
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 5: just like this and other things. But the sports that

800
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 5: require top end speed require more explosiveness. You tend to

801
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 5: see people fall off more noticeably than you do in

802
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 5: races that it's space more on endurance type skills. I mean,

803
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 5: your slow twist muscle fibers, if we want to get

804
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 5: technical about it, don't deteriorate as quickly as your fast

805
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 5: switch muscle fibers do. So you see a football player

806
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 5: lose a hats that and that sometimes can make the

807
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 5: difference between being good enough or not in this world.

808
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 5: It's the nice thing about it is that the decline

809
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 5: is relatively small, especially if you train the right way,

810
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 5: and you know, frankly, now with the shoes, you can

811
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 5: make up a lot of those things. I mean, my

812
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 5: times now are even a shorter. Stuff, it's faster. I

813
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 5: didn't break five minutes in a mile until I was

814
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Speaker 5: thirty one. Yeah, I'm last year, I think I ran

815
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 5: four fifties. So it's I'm, I'm. It's sort of performing

816
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 5: better in my old age than I did in high school.

817
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 5: And some of that is just I've gotten smarter about it.

818
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 5: I've gotten probably mentally tougher. Things play into it. But

819
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 5: the beauty of the sport, as my high school coach,

820
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 5: Roley Greeno always like to say, is it's a lifelong sport.

821
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Speaker 5: You can do it until you're you know, seventy eighty

822
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 5: years old, and the decline doesn't happen as significantly as

823
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 5: it does an other things, so it makes it so

824
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 5: that you have quite a long life in it.

825
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Speaker 2: Really, Todd's got a question, this kind of a callback

826
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Speaker 2: to an earlier part of the show, in which you

827
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: might not have been listening. Did Ben's relay runners rip

828
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Speaker 2: off their third place medals and throw them down after

829
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 2: they got beat? That's a bit back to the metal

830
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 2: reaction at the state high school hockey tournament.

831
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Speaker 3: Yes, did your guys handle it?

832
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 5: No they didn't. No, they did not throw them down

833
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 5: after they got beat. It was it was pretty tough

834
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 5: to take. I remember just all of the waiting, but no,

835
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 5: they got on the podium, they kept them. But yeah,

836
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 5: I remember feeling pretty uh, pretty dejected for them and

837
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 5: just for me too. But yeah, it was, uh, you know,

838
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 5: I saw that happen. I think brainer or not hitting

839
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 5: did it, and then then I talk about it later

840
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 5: and yeah, it seemed like it's probably one of those

841
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 5: things where one guy does it and then it becomes

842
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 5: the thing that everybody's doing, so everybody's trying to fit in.

843
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was. I'm in both those teams got

844
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 5: their hearts ripped out in that setting, and that's hard

845
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 5: to take. But yeah, the visual of it is, well,

846
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 5: I'm sure going to inspire a lot of reaction. It

847
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 5: probably has.

848
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: Here's what's interesting to having you on here, and this

849
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: is not the original intent, But you're really any unique

850
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: position because you are a reporter, you've grown up in that,

851
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: and yet you are also a coach, right and you

852
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: take that stuff very seriously. That's important to you, and

853
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: so you can kind of speak to the coach part

854
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: of this, because I think that was the other big

855
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: issue that came up after Saturday night was all right,

856
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: the kids didn't show up for the presser, Okay, they're devastated.

857
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 3: They're young. But the coach does he have a he

858
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: or she have a responsibility in a situation like that.

859
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: Would you feel like you have a responsibility or do

860
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 2: you come at it from some unique perspectives? You say,

861
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 2: and I I kind of get it, even though I've

862
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: grown up as a reporter, I kind of sort of

863
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: understand why the emphasis might be on something else, like

864
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 2: just staying with your team.

865
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I'm sure that's what they said.

866
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 4: I guess.

867
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 5: I feel like in that kind of a setting, if

868
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 5: you're going to do it, if you win, if you're

869
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 5: going to take all the shine when you win, there

870
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 5: is I think the decent thing to do is say, yeah,

871
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 5: we're going to come out and talk about it and

872
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 5: answer questions and let people kind of feel some of

873
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 5: the fields with us, so to speak. I can remember.

874
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 5: I mean, this is kind of an odd component of this,

875
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 5: but I remember when I ran the Boston Marathon. I

876
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 5: had a bad day, like I cramped up. The last

877
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 5: ten miles were a lot of run walk. I just

878
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 5: had a terrible day. But I had written a story

879
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 5: before that before the race, talking about how I trained

880
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 5: for it, while covering biking free agency and everything, and

881
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 5: there had been, you know, at least kind of drawing

882
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 5: attention to the fact that I was ranging the race.

883
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 5: And I remember being done thinking, I remember telling myself,

884
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 5: I want to write, I want people to hear what

885
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 5: this was like, and I want to share my experience.

886
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 5: I also just feel like if I'm gonna draw attention

887
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 5: to myself when it's good, and I asked athletes to

888
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 5: do this, to answer the bell when something didn't go well,

889
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 5: it's it was my responsibility to do that too, not

890
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 5: that anybody was asking for that, right. Yeah, I guess

891
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 5: I say all that to say I think there is

892
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 5: an element of sportsmanships. You say, you show up and

893
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 5: so yeah, it's hard, but I think it communicates something

894
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 5: to kids about the right way to lose. And I

895
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 5: understand the points about wanting to stay with your team

896
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 5: and wanting to be in that moment with them, but

897
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 5: you know you can do that and still come out

898
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 5: and talk to report certainly and move all ben and

899
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 5: settings where coaches take a while to get out because

900
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 5: they're with the team. And I think there's a message

901
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 5: that comes from that about we can still lose with dignity,

902
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 5: we can still lose with sportsmanship, and I think those

903
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 5: things are those are Ultimately kids are watching everything you do,

904
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 5: every message you send verbally non verbally. They're picking up

905
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 5: on all the cues, and I think that was an

906
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 5: opportunity probably to send a certain message that you know,

907
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 5: I would have liked to see done a little bit differently,

908
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 5: but I understand it. There's a lot of emotions in

909
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 5: that moment too.

910
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: Is this the first time we've ever had you on

911
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: or you've ever been on the radio for upwards of

912
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: twenty minutes and there's not been a single football related question?

913
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 5: It might be I think that I'm trying to think

914
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 5: it has been any others. We probably talked about some

915
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 5: high school stuff, yeah, and we have done that, But

916
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 5: I think it's it's probably pretty rare, at least in

917
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 5: my time on the Viking Speed. Yeah, that's that's good

918
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 5: day one of free agency.

919
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's real.

920
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 5: And to be honest, we'll get back to all the

921
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 5: other stuff.

922
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there's always time for that.

923
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 2: And I just don't think also today there's been enough

924
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: bigness to it that we have to necessarily double down.

925
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 3: We had Seaford on earlier guards that you were going

926
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: to say. One question, Ben to follow up, and speaking

927
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: of metals and LA Marathon, how do you feel as

928
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: a finisher of marathons that the Los Angeles Marathon, because

929
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 3: of the warm weather in the forecast, allowed runners to

930
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: take a detour at mile eighteen, basically do a shortcut

931
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: and still collect the finisher metal.

932
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 5: Nope, don't like it. I I the micro brought that. Nope,

933
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 5: don't like that. I I've been in. I mean my

934
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 5: Boston Marathon was hot. It was like the post one

935
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 5: in seven or eight years. It was seventy five degrees.

936
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: I told you to go slow, man, I gave you

937
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: the race course. I told you to go slow. Don't

938
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: you know you're on the fifteen I told you that.

939
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 5: I listened. I thought i'd listened, but then I was

940
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 5: I didn't adjust it enough for the heat. But I

941
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 5: remember thinking mile eighteen to that race I had, I

942
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 5: you go to the expo thing, and I'd already bought

943
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 5: this jacket, and I'm thinking, I'm not wearing this jacket.

944
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 5: If I don't finish this race, I have it on.

945
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 5: Everybody's gonna ask me, oh, well, well how did it

946
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 5: go when he ran it? Yeah? Sorry a million times

947
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 5: I was. I just remember thinking I'm finishing this freaking

948
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 5: race and getting my metal. So, uh, I understand it

949
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 5: was hot, but yeah, I don't like it. I think

950
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 5: it's a marathon play six point two miles. The first

951
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 5: guy to run it, according to the legend, died at

952
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 5: the finish line, so uh yeah, I think if you're

953
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 5: not going to finish it, you probably shouldn't get the Melton.

954
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 3: I'm glad to get the medal that was brought to

955
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 3: my tag. I'm glad that's great.

956
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: Done as material, it's basically a semi participation medal, right,

957
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: I mean you got to go to a sol distance,

958
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: but that's what it amounts to, which we well, I

959
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: don't think anybody wins doing that, and even me not.

960
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: Ben guestling. I have completed two marathons. You got to

961
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: New York City Marathon. They both took me six hours,

962
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: but you finished no one time. I was literally the

963
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: street sweeping vehicle was behind me waiting, like come on, dude,

964
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: let's go.

965
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 4: No.

966
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 3: Joe got a fifty thousand runners, I was like forty

967
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 3: nine thousand. But I finished both of them. I finished

968
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: both of them. So it might take you a while,

969
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: but you gotta go do it. I'm on Ben's side, and.

970
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 5: There are millions. There are millions of people. Even if

971
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 5: you were number forty nine and finety nine, there are

972
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 5: millions of people who wouldn't have the cojones to step

973
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 5: to the line and do it.

974
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: No, yes, even one hundred percent trough.

975
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'll last and you finished it. You still finished it.

976
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's different. London, London finished. London celebrates the last finisher. Right,

977
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: they make a big deal, myster irrelevant. Yeah, they make

978
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: a huge production. It's always pitch black. Here you go.

979
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: If they would have had that in New York, I

980
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: would have slowed down because it was pitch black. You

981
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: want to, you don't want to. They don't know where

982
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: they are, they don't want to be like thirtieth to last.

983
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 3: You want to be last in that situation, right, Yeah,

984
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: we're going to do it, do it right, that's exactly it.

985
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: Uh, I seven one five guys says great. Uh, what's

986
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: the text he's looking for?

987
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: Great to hear.

988
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 2: What a great segment hearing the other side of Ben. See,

989
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: We're like, we're making you multi dimensional. We're humanizing Ben Gestling.

990
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: You're more than just a football writer. See.

991
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's studio. I think the first Sunday Walking

992
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 5: I was hosting for you, I think I had Cari

993
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 5: Gauger on so we got it was right before I

994
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 5: was running Boston there too, so perfect. Any chance I

995
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 5: get to uh to talk running in addition to football

996
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 5: on Yeah, a lot of fun. Yes, I'm glad we

997
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 5: got to do it.

998
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 3: We'll talk later in the week.

999
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 5: Thank you, all right, sounds appreciate you.

1000
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: Ben Guestling covers the vikings today. We didn't talk any

1001
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 2: vikings with him. I'm kind of proud to say we

1002
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: got plenty of vikings chatter in early with Kevin Seaffert,

1003
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: and there will be more to come this whole week.

1004
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: Believe me.

1005
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: By the time we assume Ben Gestling joins us on front.

1006
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: All right, we are back final half hour of a

1007
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: Monday edition of the Bumper to Bumper program. Barrero and

1008
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 2: guardsy with you till until six thirty this evening. We

1009
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: have devoted I think a responsible amount of time to

1010
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: the quarterback discussion. It's going to be ongoing until a

1011
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 2: decision is made, obviously. Well, actually it's never going to stop,

1012
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: because even if the Vikings announce the signing of a

1013
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: veteran quarterback, and even if they proclaim he will be

1014
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: our starter, the discussion will never stop, right because if

1015
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: in training all the way to training camp, because if

1016
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: in training camp said anointed starter struggles, well then it'll

1017
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: be it'll start all over again. Right If he's great, Yeah,

1018
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: the story will sustain itself for a different, more positive reason.

1019
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 3: But I want to submit.

1020
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: One theory that I'm starting to weary of, and I

1021
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: blame to a certain extent, our head coach for this

1022
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: theory gaining so much momentum to almost to the point

1023
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: where it has become a cliche. And that is his

1024
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 2: comment a couple of years ago about franchises failing quarterbacks

1025
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: more than quarterbacks failing franchises.

1026
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 3: Correct. I think there are occasions where there's some truth

1027
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: to that, but I'm hearing it even in relation to

1028
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray's struggles. And here's my pushback.

1029
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 2: At any point does the player or in this case,

1030
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: the quarterback, have any responsibility for getting better or for

1031
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: figuring some things out, whether the coaching is quarterback Whisperer

1032
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 2: level or somewhere in between. I think it's now become

1033
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 2: too easy to assign blame every time in totality to

1034
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 2: the coaching, and it's I think letting some quarterbacks off

1035
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: the hook a little bit too easily.

1036
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: And I'm not I don't know how good the coaching

1037
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 3: was for Kyler Murray.

1038
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 2: I know he wasn't with a great established heavyweight organization.

1039
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: But I think it's become a little bit too easy

1040
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: to put all of it on the coaches. Some of

1041
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: it's on the player to get better, to learn, because

1042
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: I don't think there's that many idiots coaching.

1043
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 3: I really don't.

1044
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: I think some are clearly better than others, but in

1045
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: terms of teaching offense, they're teaching passing fundamentals or whatever

1046
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: the case may be. Come on, man, the player himself

1047
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: has to take I think some accountability or responsibility. Otherwise

1048
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: you're making it sound like, well, it's just a matter

1049
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 2: of it's all coaching. No, they some players get better

1050
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: than others because guess what they learn from their mistakes.

1051
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 2: They grow, they adapt, they mature, They figure out that

1052
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: the way they tried to go about their business, let's

1053
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: say in college, is probably not going to work at

1054
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 2: the next level.

1055
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: And it might take him a minute to figure that out,

1056
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 3: but they do.

1057
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 5: So.

1058
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: Look, it may well be Kyler Murray's going to be

1059
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: the guy, and he might well come in here and

1060
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: be effective.

1061
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 3: Right.

1062
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: Speaking of cliches, the new one is the Vikings won

1063
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: nine games with nothing happening at the quarterback essentially nothing

1064
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 2: happening at the quarterback position. And maybe he will make

1065
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: the difference. But that's letting Kyler or any QB. I

1066
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: would say who struggled. I would say the same as

1067
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: Sam Darnald off the hook. And I also think we

1068
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 2: get into this business of.

1069
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 3: Look at Donald.

1070
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 2: Happened there. Nobody thought he was going to do it,

1071
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: And that's true. Does that mean it's going to happen

1072
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: every time?

1073
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 5: No.

1074
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: We tend to remember the reclamation projects only when they

1075
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 3: work out. We do not remember the ones that don't.

1076
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about just here, because we need a

1077
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: wider cross section that it's got to be more than

1078
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: one team to really determine how often these reclamation projects

1079
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: in the name of you can't give up on a player,

1080
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: or he can't give up on a quarterback necessarily. I

1081
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: think it's a lot more complicated than that. So I

1082
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 2: just want I want Kyler Murray.

1083
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 3: To assume some responsibility, or if it's not him, that

1084
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: we can say we can put some of the responsibility

1085
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: on him for some of the things that did not

1086
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: go particularly well. He is this going to be his

1087
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: ninth year?

1088
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: Will you look that up? I think he's played eight

1089
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: years in the league. He's only twenty eight, but I

1090
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: think this is his He just finished his eighth year

1091
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: in the league. His last four years, he finished twenty fifth, sixteen,

1092
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: twenty and twenty third in old fashioned NFL passer rating.

1093
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 3: And he's won exactly zero playoff games. He's been in one,

1094
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 3: and look up his numbers in that playoff game. He

1095
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: was dreadful. Now, you could say that was a long

1096
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 3: time ago. You can say whatever you want, but the

1097
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: records the record, okay, and I think we have to

1098
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: at least at least be honest enough about going in

1099
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 3: with our eyes open without like putting this lacker on

1100
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: his career, like ah, what do you have around him?

1101
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 3: And you know it was so much of it wasn't

1102
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 3: his fault.

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00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 2: I don't think the story was made up about the

1104
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: concern even about study habits, right, I mean, I think

1105
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: that was a well reported story.

1106
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 3: Now you could say, and it got exaggerated. You could

1107
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 3: say he became then epoxied to it in a way

1108
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 3: that was unfair as he continued in his career. But

1109
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: I you know, I don't I just.

1110
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 2: The idea that he has no response, almost no responsibility

1111
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: for the fact that a team that's still has to

1112
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 2: pay him what is it like thirty six million?

1113
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the number is, Yeah, it's a lot of money

1114
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,720
Speaker 3: to just go away. Is still willing to say go away?

1115
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 3: That I think has to tell you something as well.

1116
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 3: He just wrapped up his seventh seventh apologize in Arizona.

1117
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 3: In the NFL that twenty twenty one playoff game, he

1118
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 3: was nineteen of thirty four, one hundred and thirty seven

1119
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 3: passing yards A couple of picks. Yeah, so got sacked.

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Speaker 3: Who play does this say, can you tell I can

1121
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 3: find that year is that that was twenty twenty one

1122
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 3: over that playoff game like the COVID year basically okay

1123
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: when yeah, well we'll see, or the year after I

1124
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 3: mean might not have been in the COVID year was

1125
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 3: a year after part of the they played the Rams

1126
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 3: and lost thirty four eleven, the year the Rams won

1127
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, that was their Super Okay, well, it's

1128
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 3: a good team. Obviously, there's there's that part of it.

1129
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

1130
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 2: It's I just think it's it's never all of one thing.

1131
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: Texter Guy two one eight guy rights, the coaching staff

1132
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: has got zero blame when it comes to McCarthy. Otherwise,

1133
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: good points, Well, that's not true, not on this show. Certainly,

1134
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: that the coaching staff has received zero blame when it

1135
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: comes to McCarthy. That's just flat out falls. If you

1136
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: want to go back and do the podcasting, you can.

1137
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: I think the question on McCarthy is whether they over

1138
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: evaluated him in a couple of key areas that because

1139
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: how many times have we talked about the arrogance of

1140
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: what they expected. They clearly, even with him sitting a

1141
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: year due to injury, did not think he was so

1142
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: ill prepared for the job that he would struggle to

1143
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: the degree he did.

1144
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 3: They just didn't.

1145
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: If they would have, they would have had another answer.

1146
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: Now allegedly that answerspo to be Daniel Jones. We wo'dn't

1147
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 2: have to go over back that go back over that

1148
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: story entirely, but it's it's much more complicated than that.

1149
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: Did they over evaluate his readiness not necessarily his potential,

1150
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: but his readiness Now ultimately it could well be his

1151
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: potential that the evaluation process was not very well done,

1152
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: and he's just going to be one of those guys

1153
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: forever known as a great college player who led his

1154
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: team to a national championship or was a part of

1155
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: that and just never became quite the guy that many

1156
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: of us project including me, projected as of him having

1157
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: a chance to become at the pro level. How about

1158
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: the top of the and by the way we're getting

1159
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: the people are setting out what were Darnal's stats in

1160
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: the playoff lass, I don't know if the point there

1161
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: was you are literally bringing up the one example to

1162
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: prove your point, if you will be willing to do

1163
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: your research and note that there are many other examples

1164
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: of reclamation projects that did not get reclaimed, then I

1165
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: would believe you. But if you're going to base everything

1166
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: on Sam Darnold's reversal, yeah, it's an easy argument to win.

1167
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: It just is a little bit too close to home

1168
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: for me at least, and a little bit too convenient

1169
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: to say case clothes. And there can be no question

1170
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: that on that basis, you could say there's like a

1171
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: five quarterbacks who could come in and be the answer,

1172
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure that there are that many. I'm

1173
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: not sure if there's even one. Well, other than of

1174
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: course Aaron Rodgers.

1175
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 3: Shore Wrap is presented by American Pressure commercial grade pressure

1176
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: washers since nineteen seventy five. It's the bumper to bumpers

1177
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:37,959
Speaker 3: show rap.

1178
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: I guess the best piece of news Vikings related today

1179
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: isn't that we got a depth corner.

1180
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 3: Never hurts, But I don't think that'd be at the

1181
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 3: top of the list.

1182
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: It has to be that we've been officially awarded a

1183
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 2: third round compensatory pick as a result of Sam Darnald

1184
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: moving on to the Seattle Seahawks, who I think feel

1185
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: good about. We'll get that's fine, Yeah, Actually it's not

1186
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 2: their pick to give up I don't think.

1187
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 3: But regardless, we get the pick. That's the ninety seventh

1188
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 3: pick overall. I think you told me yes, and I

1189
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: believe I read it's the highest compensatory pick that was awarded. Okay,

1190
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 3: that's pretty good. Super Bowl quarterbacks. The picks are well

1191
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 3: thought of. That's good currency. They can be.

1192
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: It can be on a case, yeah, you duffed well

1193
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: can be that's true, which has been a very very

1194
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: big issue here. So that's the biggest news. There's nothing

1195
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 2: yet on the Kyler Murray front. There's nothing left on

1196
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: the center front because we need one. There's nothing left

1197
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 2: or nothing new on the interior defensive line, even though

1198
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 2: we got some young guys that we kind of like.

1199
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: The assumption is we might need a little bit of

1200
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: veteran help there, and we've got nothing in terms of

1201
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: the running back position, although we may feel like we

1202
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: can do something via the draft there.

1203
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1204
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of I guess you could say,

1205
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: open question. We did lose our number three receiver. I

1206
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: think you're more down about that than me. Yeah, I

1207
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: like that's Jalen Naylor. So we got to work that

1208
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 2: as well. So we'll see as the week develops. I

1209
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: think a lot of people think Wednesday is going to

1210
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 2: be the day at the quarterback. Although Kevin Seffert joined

1211
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 2: us between three point thirty I should say three fifteen

1212
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 2: and about three forty said that one of the reports

1213
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 2: is that on the quarterbacks like Murray, they might want

1214
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: to do the old visit thing, which he said is

1215
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 2: unusual but he thinks possible.

1216
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 3: So with that, might that slow down this process? I

1217
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 3: don't know.

1218
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: Just because everybody else thinks that this is the place

1219
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 2: for him to go, I don't know if that necessarily

1220
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 2: means he believes it's the place he has to go.

1221
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: That's the open question, which we hope to get answered

1222
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: here as quickly as possible so we can move on

1223
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 2: with the rest of our lives. In addition to Seaffert, today,

1224
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 2: Johnny Athletic, a very shall we say, what's the word

1225
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm looking for?

1226
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 3: Aggravated? Yeah, inspired, daylight savings time mess was him.

1227
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: I think Johnny Athletic, especially once we talked about post

1228
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 2: game championship conduct by high school players and coaches, he

1229
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 2: was on it in a very, very big wayle and

1230
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: we may have gotten to the bottom of part of

1231
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: the reason there might be some baggage going all the

1232
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 2: way back to the Blaine Bengals.

1233
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 3: Who's to say that was?

1234
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: As I said between four thirty a bonus Ben guestling

1235
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 2: to talk nothing but marathon running. If you're wondering why

1236
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: google La Marathon news and if you've not watched it

1237
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: or paid attention to it, A remarkable finish in that

1238
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: race where a high school track coach out of Michigan

1239
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 2: comes out of literally nowhere to steal the race at

1240
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 2: the button at I should say, at the wire, so

1241
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: to speak. We had a lot of fun talking about

1242
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: that and his own marathon running, his own history, and

1243
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: just the stunning nature of that late comeback and perhaps

1244
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: even the reasons for it. Tomorrow is going to be

1245
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: a busy day to Luigi will make his weekly appearance.

1246
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 2: I assume he's not here right No, out in town, No,

1247
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: and in studio lou were Goose.

1248
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 3: He's got a new book, Mastermind, a true story of obsession,

1249
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 3: survival and justice. Well, his last one was brilliant, vanished

1250
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 3: in Vermilion. We had him here in here for it,

1251
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 3: didn't we be sure did so? The beauty of it

1252
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 3: what comes out tomorrow is we can talk about the

1253
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 3: book which comes out tomorrow. We can talk about some

1254
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 3: stories he has been covering the last several weeks here

1255
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 3: in the Twin Cities. I think there are some more

1256
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 3: hearings today on fraud issues at the state legislature. So

1257
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 3: we'll cover a lot of ground on lou when he

1258
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 3: joined us in studio, maybe his high school football career

1259
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 3: or did that once? Did he ever like win a

1260
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 3: medal and then take it off angrily and then throw

1261
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 3: it to the grass and stomp on it. I'm sure

1262
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 3: he remembers his final game when he had to take

1263
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 3: the pads off for the last time. He probably did.

1264
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure he remembers it. That's very very true, very

1265
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 3: very true, Davy for sure.

1266
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: By the way, Andy Lueger promises the next time he

1267
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: comes in to bring authentic bagels. Who heard our bagel conversation,

1268
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 2: And you know in the bagel community there is there's

1269
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 2: some snobbery, like if you grow up with certain bagels Minnesota.

1270
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 3: But come on, man, right Brugers out of your mind. Nuts.

1271
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: But I also you know you are where you are,

1272
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 3: so part of it is what you adapt to a

1273
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 3: little bit.

1274
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 2: So he also expresses, now some consternation about where He's

1275
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: a JJ McCarthy guy. He's completely committed, so he's feeling

1276
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: a little bewildered about where the vikings are going with

1277
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 2: this thing. So maybe we'll try to get him. Maybe

1278
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 2: we just talked sports with him one time former player. Yeah,

1279
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 2: college football players exactly right. So maybe we'll try to

1280
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 2: get him in here soon when it works for his

1281
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 2: schedule as a well fan and de man tonight, and

1282
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:08,959
Speaker 2: that will be followed by the inimitable Dan Patrick. Enjoy

1283
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 2: the rest of your Monday, and we will talk to.

1284
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 3: You tomorrow beginning at three. Thank you for the memories,

1285
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 3: Thank you for the great time.

1286
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 5: We love you, Dad, go twins, thank you for the airtime,

1287
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 5: and I'll talk.

1288
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: To you soon. With your job. He's done him. We

1289
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 3: can go home now