1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Well, this story actually comes to us from London by 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: way of Chicago. Joshua Michaels, a twenty six year old 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: guy from Chicago, had been studying filmmaking at Goldsmith's University 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: of London, describes himself as a cinematographer, photographer, drone pilot, 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: and his LinkedIn page he had gotten his undergraduate degree 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: in cinematography and film production from DePaul University a few 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: years ago. 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 2: I feel like the title drone pilot just reeks of 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: I have disposable income, I have disposable money. 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 3: I'm a drone pilot. 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can spend hours piloting a drone because I 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: don't have to work in those hours. 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: I think it's one of those up and coming things 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: that probably we I mean, there are people who make 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: all kinds of money piloting drone for for what our companies, 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: real estate companies. Well, it's just it's different than what 17 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: It's different than what it was ten year years ago. 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: Perhaps at least that's what he wants us to think 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: it is. So his he got into a relationship with 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: Gi Wang, and there was something particular about g that 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: she was a self confessed germophobe. 22 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 4: Ah, she developed a rash. 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: At one point and blamed it on Josh, suggesting he 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: had given her an STD. 25 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: These two had been seeing each other for only six 26 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 2: months and had slept together only once in that time. 27 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: Because of her high standards of cleanliness, I've known people 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: like this, one person like this who was such a 29 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: germophobe that this person did not want to have sex 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: because this person did not want any sort of. 31 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: Exchange. 32 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 4: Well, you don't have to tell me. 33 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: I don't know a lot. I didn't ask a lot 34 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: of follow ups. 35 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna say that. 36 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: She would disinfect his sofa before she sat on it. 37 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: That would be difficult to date someone like that. 38 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: She would clean his apartment when she was over to 39 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: visit him, and when they did agree to do the deed, 40 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: she sent him instructions on how to come into the apartment, 41 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: how to wash himself, how to apply a prophylactic device 42 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: before he even entered the boudoir where she would be waiting. 43 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 44 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 4: She also insisted. 45 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: Put the sexy into this, doesn't She. 46 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: That this guy show her his test results before they 47 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: had sex, but after developing a rash, she demanded that 48 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: he'd take another test. 49 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: And he refused, so she accused him of ruining her life. Yes, 50 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 2: threatened to go to the university. What are you gonna say, 51 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: This guy's got an STD and he's passing it. 52 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 4: He didn't follow the instructions. 53 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: They argue that because she wanted a serious relationship and 54 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: she was frustrated he wasn't making more time with her. 55 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 4: Oh man, he's got to take all the time to 56 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 4: get right now. 57 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: He's got to do a silkwood scrub before he gets 58 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: on in there. On the day of the murder, he 59 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: had gone to her apartment to make a charcuterie board 60 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: to console her. Wait just a dang minute, there is 61 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: not one germophobe in the history of germophobes that wants 62 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: a sharcutery board. 63 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 4: There is no way in. 64 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: Hell if I'm having you silkwood. 65 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: Scrub your ass before you have any sexy time with me, 66 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: that I'm going to be impressed with a shark couterie board. 67 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: Knowing you've touched all of those things. They've just been 68 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: sitting there letting the air touch them and all the 69 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: particles in the air. I mean, literally, what a nightmare 70 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: for a germophobe. Is the charcuterie board. 71 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 4: Well, that may have been why the argument broke out. 72 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: Among other things, he stabbed her in the face twice 73 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: and choked her before he left her home. Now he 74 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: had said that she went after him originally. 75 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: I bet I bet she saw that charcuterie board and 76 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: she was like, oh, hell no, you brought all. 77 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: Those germs in here. You just have that meat sweat 78 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: in the open. And I bet you I'd call I'd 79 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: say self defense. 80 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: And you know what, there's not a jury in this 81 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: land that would not forgive him for any sort of murder. 82 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: He made her this beautiful selection of meats and cheeses, 83 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: and through her own faults, she saw that as an 84 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: attack on her and her lack of germs, and she 85 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: went after him, and he defended himself. 86 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: I would vote not guilty. 87 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 4: I will say this. 88 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: The prosecutors said she had a shot at living if 89 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: he had called the ambulance. Okay, But but instead he 90 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: called his dad while she was dying. Yeah, asking for 91 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: an attorney. 92 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I can see where that he 93 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: would have questions of. 94 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 3: And you know what's worse, he tells. 95 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 4: The police when they show up. 96 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I know how this looks Yeah, he said, 97 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: it's not what it seems. 98 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 4: But this is a. 99 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: Pretty strong defense. I think he's got a pretty strong defense. 100 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: Well, he's been found guilty. Oh yeah, he has not 101 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: yet been sentenced in London. But oh, this is in London. 102 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: It's not in America. I was treating this as if 103 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: it was in America. In America, we charcuterie goes a 104 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: long way. 105 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't turn down perfectly slights, delicious. 106 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: Meats and cheeses. 107 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 4: You know, a follow up to hers. 108 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: Kind to our germophobes when they shun our meats. 109 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: Follow it to a long ago true Crime Tuesday story. 110 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: But a guy who faked his own death. This is 111 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: probably the best way it could have worked out. 112 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: My husband and I have this understanding with each other 113 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: where we say to each other, just divorce me, don't 114 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: kill me, because how often do you watch a dateline 115 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: or twenty twenty or anything in Keith Morrison vehicle and 116 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: they could have just gotten a divorce. Yeah, why do 117 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: you have to kill the other person, Just get a divorce. 118 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 4: You guys talk about this, Yes, you. 119 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: And your wife have never had the conversation of if 120 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: you want to leave me, just get a divorce. 121 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 3: Don't kill me. 122 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 4: No. 123 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: Oh, with the amount of murder that goes on in relationships, 124 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: I think it's something that should be addressed. 125 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 4: I'll bring it up this afternoon. I'm sure that it 126 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 4: will be received very warm. Honey. I was thinking, honey. 127 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 2: I was thinking today at work, who are you liking 128 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: on Instagram? And then there's this If you want to 129 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: kill me, just divorce me. 130 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: A few years ago, we told you the story about 131 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: Ryan Borgwart. He is a guy from Wisconsin who faked 132 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: his own death so he could leave his wife of 133 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: twenty two. 134 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: Years, father of three, and they're in their mid forties, 135 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: and apparently he wanted to leave the country, leave his 136 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: family behind, so he could be with his lover. At first, 137 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: the disappearance, when we covered I think we disappeared. We 138 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: covered it disappearing, father of three and Wisconsin, and it 139 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: was weird because it was Wisconsin and the kayaking and 140 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: all of the things, and it was three young kids. 141 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: And did he drowned and this is all very weird. 142 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: Yes, the sudden disappearance treated as a possible drowning. But 143 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: they searched and they searched, and they searched for fifty 144 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: eight days to the tune of thirty thousand dollars, and 145 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: those odd clues started to rear their heads, didn't they. 146 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean originally he'd flipped his kayak, he dumped 147 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: his phone, he put everything into the water, but he 148 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: had also packed an inflatable boat and then e biked 149 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: his way to Madison, Wisconsin. Overnight he crossed into the border. 150 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: Sorry crossed over the border into Canada and was said 151 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: to be in communication with this Russian mistress, Katya, mother 152 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: of two. He eventually got a new passport, He got 153 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: a three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars life insurance 154 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: policy BEFO, before fleeing to Georgia, the Soviet Georgia, not 155 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Georgia. 156 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: They say you spent four months there before returning to 157 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: America after investigators convinced him to do so. 158 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna call bs on that. 159 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: I think he spent four months with Katia and was like, 160 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: you know what, I don't like her either. This isn't 161 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: the grass isn't greener. I gotta get the hell away 162 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: from this woman. She's Russian and she's crazy. Where's America at? 163 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: He turned himself in charged with obstruction. Two days after 164 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: he got home, Emily filed for divorce. Because that's a 165 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: hard sell a guy. 166 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 4: She didn't kill him, She filed for divorce. 167 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: A guy from Wisconsin hooking up with a Russian woman. 168 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: That is quite a one eighty. Like you're a guy 169 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: from the Midwest. You like your brats, you like your beer, 170 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: you like your Packers football, and suddenly you're involved with 171 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: a Russian and she's slinging vodka, and it's cold, and 172 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: she never smiles. It's colder than Wisconsin cold. It's Russia cold. 173 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 4: Now. A tabloid reached out. 174 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: Can't cook. 175 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: If you can't cook for a Wisconsin man, you're screwed. 176 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 4: You're as door dash. 177 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: A tabloid reached out to Katya, and again, this is 178 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: the Russian mom that he left his wife for. She 179 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: said that she told officers that she's probably skinny. 180 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 4: Ryan Borgwart, no, I don't think so. 181 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: Borgwart was just a friend who had been helping her 182 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: with problem before, asking why they contacted her. After a 183 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: few weeks of communication, she eventually put them in touch 184 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: with borg Wart, saying, I will talk to Ryan so 185 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: that he comes back sooner. I beg you please help 186 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: him so that he does not have many problems with 187 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: the law, and so that they tried to keep his passport, 188 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: and she says, maybe they will listen to your word. 189 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: He was always honest with you in touch. No one 190 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: knows how hard it is for him now, though he 191 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: tries not to show it. He explained that they had 192 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: met online last year and she initially said that she 193 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: was from Ukraine, that they quickly became close, that they 194 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: had identical personalities. It took about a month. 195 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: She said, yeah, she was who you wanted her to be, 196 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: because she wanted your American dollars. 197 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: When he finally turned himself in, he revealed that he 198 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: deliberately flipped his kayak, dumped his phone and his stuff 199 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: in the water before he paddled to safety on an 200 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: inflatable boat, and then rode that ee bike into Madison overnight. 201 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: I think he got hungry, do you think so? 202 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 4: You don't think Georgia has a lot of great food 203 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 4: down there. 204 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 3: I don't think Russian slash Ukrainian women are I don't know. 205 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 3: I don't know. 206 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: She looks pretty young and thin. When these pictures that 207 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: I'm pulling up, you can't have. You can't have that 208 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: with a guy from Wisconsin. You got to give him 209 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: his meats. 210 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: He only had to cheese curds. He only had to 211 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: serve eighty nine days in jail. The state judge did 212 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: order him to pay the costs of the search. If 213 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: you remember, it cost about thirty grand to look for 214 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: him after they thought that his kayak had gone down 215 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: with him in it on Green Lake there in Wisconsin. 216 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 217 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: I was on that road trip to Utah. I stopped 218 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: at a lot of Maverick gas stations. You buy cheese 219 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: curds there. They had different flavored cheese curds in the car. Really, 220 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: I mean, why not? 221 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 4: I guess that's I've never thought of that. We're doing 222 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: real work here today. Why not. I got a lot 223 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 4: of topics to bring up with my wife when I 224 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 4: get home. 225 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: Say please don't. Yeah, you're not going to be allowed 226 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 3: back here. 227 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 4: Maybe cheese curts in the car. 228 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 3: Honey, Look what I brought home. I got a cheese 229 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 3: curts from the gas station. Okay, we're leaving. 230 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 4: I got dinner tonight.