1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Michael Michael, great googly movie, son. What in the wide 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: wide world of sports is going on around here? I 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: thought that K zero A was a respectable establishment, but 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: here they got you just a litter and to join 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: up with a bunch of daggum goobers. It's a good 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: thing you've got mister Redby here to fish you out 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: of that. 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: Well. 9 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: My earballs are just a tingling with the anticipation for 10 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: the mess we're about to meet. 11 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: You fellas, have a groovy day. I bet sion R 12 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 2: bet the zero A D zero A. 13 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 3: That's right because the number is three zero three, not 14 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 3: three o three. Drives me that it's just one of 15 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: my one of my What three three three three three 16 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: three one zero three three is the text line keyword, 17 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: Michael Michael K zero If you want to send me 18 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 3: a text, tell me anything, ask me anything, tm A 19 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 3: or A m A. The text line is three three 20 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: one zero three. 21 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: Put that. 22 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 3: Put that on your phone now, just put it in 23 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 3: there and just start it off with Mike or Michael 24 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 3: and just tell me anything or ask me anything. You 25 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: can't do that too, because those are actually they become 26 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 3: very part part of the program. You may have wondered 27 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: why I referred to all of you as goobers. That 28 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: comes from my time in Washington, d C. Because it's 29 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: not from the candy. 30 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: No, it's not. It's not from the candy. Not from 31 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: the candy. 32 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: You know what I like about the fact that A 33 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: Rod's in here trying to record stuff directly between us. 34 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 3: It's directly between us. That's very, very helpful. As I've 35 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: tried to explain to people there is when you worked. 36 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: For those of you who don't know, I'm the former 37 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 3: under Secretary of Homeland Security under President George W. 38 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: Bush. I don't care what you think about George W. Bush. 39 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: It was an honor to serve any president at that 40 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: level in the cabinet. 41 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: So I'm happy to have done that. 42 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: But there was there's this attitude in DC, and it 43 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: is a pervasive attitude. And that pervasive attitude is that 44 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 3: all of us, all of us who you know, they 45 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: come to us every you know, two years or four years, 46 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 3: whatever the elections like the might be, and they beg 47 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: for Oh gosh, you know, it's so good to see you, 48 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 3: mister Brown. Oh, it's so good to see you, mister 49 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 3: A Rod. It is so good to see you, mister Redbeard, 50 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 3: and you know, I really am you know, what. 51 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: Are your concerns? 52 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 3: Tell me about your concerns and now you know, so 53 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 3: you think they really care as you tell me about 54 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: I'm really concerned about X y Z and they say, oh, 55 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: you know, I am too. You could tell him you're 56 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 3: concerned about you know, mars is going to blow up, 57 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: and they say, oh, you know, I'm going to study that. 58 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 3: I'll get a study going on that. And then they'll 59 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 3: conclude your conversation with this. Not only do I need 60 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: your vote, but you know, I got that Michael Brown 61 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: on the radio and he's really talking, you know, bad 62 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: stuff about me. So I really would like for you to, 63 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: you know, could you write me a check? You write 64 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: me a check for ten dollars one hundred dollars, one 65 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: thousand dollars, ten thousand dollars, one hundred thousand dollars because 66 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 3: I really need that, because I love god Mother and 67 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: apple Pie just. 68 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: Like you do. 69 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 3: And then they go back to d C and then 70 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 3: they forget who did I talk to and they'll turn 71 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 3: their aid who sent emails today? They don't care who 72 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 3: sent the emails. They care about the subject of the emails, 73 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: how many left to voicemail, how many made phone calls today. 74 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: They don't care who it was, unless, of course, you're 75 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: a big donor and you give them a hundred thousand dollars. 76 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: But if you gave one hundred dollars, one thousand dollars, 77 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: five thousand dollars, whatever it might be in that particular cycle, 78 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 3: they don't really care that much about it. And they 79 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: see us as goober's now. They're just the riff raff 80 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: that we have to deal with to go beg for 81 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: their vote every two years, four years, whatever it is. 82 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: And then they go back to Washington and they go 83 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: back to Colfax and Broadway, the Colorado pollop Bureaus I 84 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: refer to it, and they just do what they damn 85 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: well please, unless there is an uprising and I don't 86 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: mean like you know they have against Ice right now, 87 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 3: I'm talking about, unless there is just this massive swell 88 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: of opposition to something they're doing. They don't care, They 89 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 3: truly don't. All they care about is reelection. Go back 90 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: to the last hour. Why do you think those Democrats 91 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: suddenly decided to join with the Republicans to invoke cloture 92 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: i e. Shutdown debate, so they could eventually get to 93 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: a vote on the continuing resolution because they're from battleground 94 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: states and they're up for reelection. They're going to be 95 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: up for re election in the in the upcoming mid terms. 96 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 3: And if you're in a battleground state and you are 97 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: starting to get blamed for the shutdown, then they realize, oh, 98 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: the goobers are starting to rise up, and the goobers 99 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 3: are going to, you know, come in and they'll vote 100 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: against me if I don't do something. Look at those 101 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 3: numbers I gave you about Pennsylvania. In Pennsylvania up three 102 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: hundred and eighty thousand Republican registrations. So in Pennsylvania they're 103 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: very concerned. Now, a guy like Fetterman, I would put him. 104 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 3: There are a few people that I would put out 105 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 3: there as exceptions. Fetterman, having been through the health crisis 106 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: that he went through, probably doesn't really care whether he 107 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: gets re elected or not. Although deep down inside, being 108 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: a Unit State senator comes with a lot of perks, 109 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,559 Speaker 3: and you get a lot of things that other people 110 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: don't get. Plus I salary, plus all the benefits of staff. 111 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 3: You get to travel, you get to do all of 112 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: those things. So he probably really would like to stay 113 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: a senator. But if he had to choose between oh, 114 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: being able to speak being a senator, he might choose 115 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: to quit and go take care of his health and 116 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: his family. He might be an exception. Otherwise they all 117 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: kind of look at you, kind of like, heh, you're 118 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: just a goober. And so I refer to ourselves as goober's. 119 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: It is a term of endearment. It is not a majority. 120 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: I see some on that other text line, which number 121 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 3: I will not mention that you find it offensive, Well, 122 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: then you know what, You're probably going to find me 123 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 3: offensive Because I live in the real world and I 124 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: talk about real issues. I don't care what side of 125 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: the isle it falls down on, although I make very 126 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: clear which side of the isle I live on. I 127 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: live on the right side of the aisle, and so 128 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: that tends to skew my perspective. Except having been in 129 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: DC for almost six years and having worked at that 130 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 3: kind of level, I understand the inner workings of how 131 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: things really go on. So I try to explain that 132 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: to you, particularly when I'm kind of going off track. 133 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: And you know what I find interesting about radio is 134 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: if if I were to for example, I'm working on 135 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: a segment because Trump's thinking about sending us all two 136 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: thousand dollars checks, you know, from the tariff revenue. I 137 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 3: think that's a huge mistake and I don't think you 138 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: should do it. If and when I talk about that 139 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 3: and I explain why, there will be people in this 140 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: audience will go, oh my god, I can't listen to 141 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: you anymore because you're anti Trump. There will be some 142 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 3: people who will say, oh my gosh, listen, he's anti Trump. 143 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 3: I think I'll listen to him. I don't try to 144 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 3: please anyone except to tell you what I really think, 145 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: tell you why I think it, and go through all 146 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: the reasoning and rationale, and then you can make up 147 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 3: your own mind when when the day concludes. Many people say, 148 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, when the day concludes, 149 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 3: I have to be comfortable that I've told you what 150 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: I really believe, and that I give you reasons about 151 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: what I believe, and then you can take it from 152 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: there and you can do with it whatever you want to. 153 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: So one thing I wanted to do this hour is 154 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 3: I wanted to focus on the Affordable Care Act, because 155 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: you've heard through at the shutdown that somehow it has 156 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: to do with Obamacare subsidies. I want you to think 157 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: for yourself for just a moment, what are the Obamacare subsidies? 158 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: What do they really do? Is it good or is 159 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: it bad? Why do we have it? And you have 160 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: to remember, not one Republican, not one Republican, has ever 161 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: voted in the affirmative for Obamacare during Obama's term. They 162 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 3: cram that through both houses of Congress, the House and 163 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: the Senate, without a single republic can vote. The Affordable 164 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: Care Act in essence, props up insurers and large hospital 165 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: systems with subsidies and tax advantages, and that leads a 166 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 3: lot of us as patients with high premiums skyrocketing out 167 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 3: of pocket costs. And if you look at the publicly 168 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: available data, it supports large flows of funds to insurers 169 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: via these Affordable Care Acts, so called marketplace subsidies. Then 170 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: the insurance companies also get substantial tax benefits, particularly for 171 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: nonprofit hospitals. And there are systematically higher prices at hospital 172 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: outpatient departments than independent physician offices or you go to 173 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 3: an ambulatory surgery center, for example. So what do these 174 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 3: actually fund? What do the ACA? I'll refer to the 175 00:08:55,200 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 3: as the ACA. What do those subsidies actually fund? Have 176 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: you really ever thought about that? Have you ever really 177 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: asked your question? Because you're paying for it. Never forget, 178 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: there's nothing free here. 179 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 2: So if there's a. 180 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 3: Subsidy being paid by the federal government to an insurance company, 181 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: you're paying for that through your taxes, and then your 182 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: children and your grandchildren, your great grandchildren are paying for 183 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 3: it because taxes will necessarily have to increase if we're 184 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: going to start covering the ever larger budget deficits as 185 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 3: these subsidies grow. Because when you subsidize something, you get 186 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: more of it. If I tell you, for example, that 187 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 3: I'm going to provide widgets to you, and widgets cost 188 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 3: one hundred dollars, but I'm going to provide fifty dollars 189 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: of the one hundred dollars as a subsidy for you. 190 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 3: Oh you, green vehicles evs. Evs are dead in the marketplace, 191 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 3: really dead. But what happens the government steps in and says, oh, 192 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 3: we'll subsidize your purchase, so people who might not otherwise 193 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: purchase an EV go out and do so. 194 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: For example, Polis and the. 195 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: Democrats in Colorado decided to extend those subsidies when Trump 196 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 3: got rid of them. Here, so your paying your pain 197 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 3: when you see an EV driving down the highway until 198 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: the Colorado subsidies disappear, you're helping pay that person to 199 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: buy that car. And I think that's wrong. I don't 200 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: think we should do it. So what are these subsidies 201 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: that the ACA provides. It's primarily premium tax credits and 202 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 3: cost sharing reductions that are paid to the insurers directly 203 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: to the insurers. Now you don't see it on behalf 204 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 3: of the people that enroll in their programs, and then 205 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 3: you get that reconciled through your tax return, making the 206 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 3: payments flow directly to the carriers rather than you as a. 207 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 2: Consumer as cash. 208 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: So all of these ACA related subsidies, what do you 209 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 3: think they were in twenty twenty three? Ninety one billion dollars? 210 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 3: What do you think the estimate is for this year? 211 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 3: This is what the one of the big fights was over. 212 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 3: We've gone from ninety one billion dollars in twenty twenty 213 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: three is estimated to be at one hundred and thirty 214 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 3: eight billion dollars in twenty twenty five. Now, these cost 215 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: sharing reductions reduce your deductible your copay and you're out 216 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: of pocket maximums for all lower and moderate income and 217 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 3: rollies who might be who might pick the Silver plan 218 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five, that's the statutory maximum out of 219 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: pocket limit is ninety two hundred dollars for an individual 220 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 3: before these cost sharing reductions are applied. And the cost 221 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: sharing reduction plans can lower deductible substantially if but only 222 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 3: if you're under about two hundred percent of the poverty line. 223 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: So roughly half almost fifty percent of the people on 224 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 3: the exchange enrollees get some sort of cost subsidy reduction. Well, 225 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: that tells me that a large share of marketplace members 226 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 3: in Obamacare are in plans where the insurers receive extra 227 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 3: payments in order to enhance the benefits. Again, that's delivered 228 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 3: to the insurers rather than as cash to the household, 229 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: so they get all the benefit up front, and then 230 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: you have to reconcile that with your tax return when 231 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: you find your taxes. So how big are these insured 232 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: directed flows? The gross federal cost for these ACA subsidies 233 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 3: went from eighteen billion in twenty fourteen to ninety two 234 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 3: billion in twenty twenty three, and as I said, an 235 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 3: estimated one hundred and thirty eight billion this year. Now, 236 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 3: why that reflects both enrollment and richer subsidies under all 237 00:12:54,720 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: of these temporary policy expansions that everybody's been pushing. There's 238 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 3: a flat forty billion dollar cost subsidy reduction figure. Current scoring, 239 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 3: which is how they the Office of Management, Budget and 240 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 3: the General Accounting Office kind of figure out how much 241 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: things really cost. That current scoring shows that total marketplace 242 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: subsidies are much larger from twenty twenty three twenty twenty 243 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: five and is estimated at about three hundred and fifty 244 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: billion dollars over ten years. If as Democrats want, they 245 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: make them permanent. Now what's interesting about these subsidies is 246 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 3: that originally the Democrats, this is the old bait and 247 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: switch routine. This is what politics plays out in DC. Oh, look, 248 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: we want these subsidies. Back when Obamacare was first being discussed, 249 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 3: we want these subsidies, but we're just going to be 250 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 3: at temporary. We're just gonna do it temporarily, just temporarily 251 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 3: so we can get through the switchover. So we get 252 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 3: through the switchover. Now people are starting. The insurance companies 253 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: in particular are getting the subsidies. They don't want to 254 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: get rid of them, so they lobby Congress to keep them. 255 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 3: And what does Congress do. Congress obliges, So then the 256 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: subsidies stay beyond then COVID hits, and during COVID they say, well, 257 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: we've got to do it during COVID because look, the 258 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: economy's gone down, the crapper, we've got to keep doing these, 259 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: So they send them through COVID. Then after COVID they say, okay, 260 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 3: now we'll get rid of them, and Republicans say, okay, 261 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: in fact, we'll introduce bills to start getting rid of 262 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: the subsidies. They introduce a bill to get rid of 263 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: all of the subsidies. It doesn't pass because Democrats object, okay, 264 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: we'll start trying to transition out of those. Okay, Republicans 265 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: present that boom, Democrats kill it. What starts as a 266 00:14:55,200 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: temporary program continues indefinitely, because there is no such thing 267 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 3: as a temporary government program, particularly whether you're getting let's 268 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 3: just say that you are getting it. 269 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: Now. 270 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: Let's let's take Medicare social Security out of the picture. 271 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: Let's just imagine for a moment that you suddenly are 272 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 3: getting your medic your Affordable Care Act subsidy directly as 273 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 3: a cash payment to you. But you're not very sick, 274 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: she don't use much of it, but you still get 275 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: the subsidy because it's required by law. So you get 276 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: a check for let's just pull a number out of 277 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: our butt and just say you get a check at 278 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: the end of the year for five thousand dollars. Now 279 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 3: next year, regardless of what your personal situation is, do 280 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 3: you want to give up the five thousand dollars. Ninety 281 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: nine percent of people will not want to give up 282 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 3: that five thousand dollars. And there isn't a Republican or 283 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 3: a Democrat anywhere except we're starting to see a few 284 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: Republicans to say, we can't afford to keep doing this, 285 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: so let's eliminate that five thousan dollar payment. And Democrats 286 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: starts squeezing, oh my gosh, you're gonna take away this 287 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 3: money from people. And that's when the fight starts. And 288 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 3: that's why you can't get rid of this, and that's 289 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 3: why we have a shutdown, and that's what the fight's 290 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: been about. Private insurance a pride, not not someone who 291 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 3: may have policies on the exchange, but someone who has 292 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: policies on the exchange, and privately, I'm talking about those 293 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: who have private policies. Private insurers pay hospitals far above 294 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: the Medicare rates on average almost two hundred percent of Medicare. 295 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: Cross services outpatient services average about two hundred and sixty 296 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: four percent of Medicare. 297 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: So what does that mean? 298 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: Well, don't you, then, if you're an insurance company, want 299 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 3: to drive as many people as possible onto the exchanges 300 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: because you're getting reimbursed two hundred and two hundred and 301 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: sixty four percent of what Medicare is getting reimbursed. So 302 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: you're making more money off reimbursing hospitals because you are 303 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 3: on the exchange. Now, it also indicates that the hospitals 304 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 3: have very strong pricing power based on their hospital systems, 305 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 3: and that supports my contention anyway that consolidation and fitence 306 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 3: service drive higher prices. Bottom line is simply this. It 307 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 3: was the full intention of the Affordable Care Act was 308 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 3: to start socializing and nationalizing medicine so that those subsidies, 309 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: those direct payments to hospitals would start to become the 310 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: fentanyl of medical care. It becomes the opioid of medical care. 311 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: And they get hooked on it, and Democrats don't want 312 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: to get rid of it. You have to give Republicans 313 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 3: some consideration, some credit for at least saying, hey, can 314 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 3: we at least debate this. That's what the fight's about, 315 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 3: and that's where the money's going. Socialized medicine is the 316 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 3: situation with Michael Brown. Hang type, I'll be right back. 317 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: Hello Michael and Dragon. Good to hear you on K 318 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: zero A. 319 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 3: Now I don't have to change my radio from AM 320 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: to at them. 321 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 2: Anytime I want to hear it. Great luck, you'll need it. 322 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 4: Thank you. 323 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 5: What do you mean call now that Michael Brown's moved 324 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 5: over to eight fifty KOA. I guess I'm gonna have 325 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 5: to add another preset to my free to me iHeartRadio 326 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 5: music app. 327 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: That sounds like John Fetterman any sound like he was 328 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: in bathroom? 329 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: Well, well, why why would Fetterman be any different? He 330 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 3: has to go to the restroom sometimes too. And you 331 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 3: know what do we all do now when we go 332 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 3: to the restrooms, we're always well not in this building 333 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 3: because we don't there sit anywhere. 334 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 6: I do everything I can to avoid two here. 335 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 3: But if you have to go to the restroom or 336 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 3: the bathroom. You know, you take your phone, your iPad. 337 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 6: But of course, well, of course I've gone into the 338 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 6: bathroom and went, wait a minute, I don't have my phone, 339 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 6: and walk to find my phone and come back. Hey, 340 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 6: this job cannot be completed without my phone. 341 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 3: Yes see, we've tried to explain to people that this 342 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: program is different than any other program because while we're 343 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: trying to explain Affordable Care Act subsidies and how bad 344 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: they are, we're also concerned about texting or leaving a 345 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: talk back while you're doing your business at home in 346 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: the bathroom. We'll take them however we can get them. 347 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 3: We were promised affordable care, we were promised freedom to 348 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: keep our doctors, and we were promised the system that 349 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 3: worked for people, not corporations. Remember I love that phrase. 350 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 3: Oh you know, I'm for people not profits really, because 351 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: if you're not for profits, then you're not gonna stay 352 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 3: in business. Even a nonprofit has to make money in 353 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 3: order to survive. A nonprofit that loses money is going 354 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: to go out of existence. The nonprofit simply means you 355 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: don't have shareholders that you pay dividends to, so you 356 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 3: have to make a profits to stay in business. It 357 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 3: just drives me batty. So fifteen years later, here's the math. 358 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 3: By the way, I went to correct some one thing. 359 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 3: I have a text that says I'm wrong, and I 360 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: love it when I get texted to say I'm wrong. 361 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 3: Michael from Googer number fifty five to fifty four. I 362 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 3: hate to try to correct you. 363 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 2: No, you don't. You love doing it. 364 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 3: But Congressman cow cal Ceo, Republican, voted for the ACA 365 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 3: in the House. Seems like the Dems promised him an 366 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 3: approval for a pipeline for his vote. I may be 367 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: wrong in that part, but I remember Rush talking about it, 368 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 3: but may have been a different vote. I think it 369 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 3: must have been a different vote because I checked every 370 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 3: source I could, including the venerable New York Times, which 371 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 3: course was never wrong. Not one Republican voted, and I 372 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: would be particular here. No Republican in either the House 373 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: or the Senate voted yes on the final passage of 374 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: the Affordable Care Act, which was passed in twenty ten. 375 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 3: The votes for final passage were entirely along party lines. 376 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 3: All Republicans in both chambers voted no. Now, there may 377 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 3: have been a procedural vote somewhere where this yahoo voted 378 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: yes on something but in the final passage no, And 379 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: since he was a congressman, it wouldn't have been on 380 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: invoking closure to stop debates. So I'm not sure who 381 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 3: the guy is, but all sources indicate otherwise that no, 382 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 3: not one of them did. Let's start with cost sharing 383 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: reductions again. If you qualify and pick a silver plan, 384 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 3: sharing reductions lower you're deductible, and it maxes out your 385 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: out of pocket expenses. 386 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: The statutory cap. 387 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 3: For this year is ninety two hundred dollars for an individual, 388 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 3: and cost sharing reduction can push that burden down a 389 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 3: lot for lower income family sometimes maybe a few hundred 390 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 3: dollars in deductibles. But remember those cost sharing reduction dollars 391 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 3: land with the insurers who then modify your plan design. 392 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 3: They're not cutting you a check. Now scale that nationally. 393 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 3: Let's scale up big time. Nearly half of exchange in 394 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 3: roll leaes receive those csrs today, those cost sharing reductions. 395 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: When you add in premium tax credits, marketplace subsidies, that 396 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: jumps from eighteen billion in twenty fourteen to ninety two 397 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 3: billion in twenty twenty three. Is I told you are 398 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 3: going to be about one hundred and thirty eight billion 399 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: this year. So the big debate is whether to keep 400 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: those rich subsidies, and that price tag is going to 401 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: be three hundred and fifty billion dollars over ten years 402 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: if they get to be if they're ever made permanent. Well, 403 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 3: what about the hospitals. Nonprofit hospitals don't pay many taxes 404 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 3: that other entities do. Independent analyzes peg their tax benefits 405 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 3: around twenty eight billion dollars in twenty twenty, about thirty 406 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 3: seven billion in twenty twenty one across all federal, state, 407 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 3: and local exemptions. Now that's real money for gone revenue 408 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 3: that effectively subsidizes hospitals balance sheets and the bills you see. Well, 409 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 3: that depends on where you get your service. The exact 410 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 3: same imaging, a tolonoscopy or an infusion of some sort 411 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: costs more in a hospital outpatient department than in a 412 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 3: doctor's office or an ambulatory surgery center. There are studies 413 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 3: all over the place, across thousands of services that show 414 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 3: how these prices are substantially higher and rising faster, often 415 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: two times or more compared to the community settings. 416 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 2: And why is that? Because it's a subsidy. Why do 417 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: you think. 418 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 3: Tuition has gotten so high because the federal government is 419 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 3: the provider of the dollars that people go borrow to 420 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 3: pay tuition. So when you know that it's an unlimited 421 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 3: amount of bucket of money out there, well, of course 422 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 3: you're going to increase your price, in this case, tuition, 423 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: because you know there's more dollars to chase out there. 424 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 3: The same is true with the subsidies. When you know 425 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 3: there are subsidies out there, you're going to start increasing 426 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: your prices because you want to get more subsidies. 427 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: It is a basic lack. 428 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: Of economic understanding by most Americans that if they truly 429 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: understood how these things work, and if they truly understood 430 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 3: that these dollars are going to every year's budget deficit, 431 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 3: and then that budget deficit gets piled onto the national debt, 432 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 3: it stands at what some thirty seven thirty eight trillion dollars. 433 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: Now we're in the financial hell hole, and these yahoo's 434 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 3: in Congress just keep going on and on and on 435 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,479 Speaker 3: like the inner juger Bunny. They refuse to admit the truth. 436 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 3: They refuse to admit what's really going on. For example, 437 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 3: I told you that Democrat Senator Shahem New Hampshire. 438 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: She voted in the shutdown. 439 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: She was on Fox News this morning and then so 440 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 3: and in doing so on Fox News evaded everything about 441 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 3: what I just told. 442 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 7: You here for the longest government shutdown in history. After 443 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 7: eight Democrats, including our next guest, voted with Republicans to 444 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 7: break the filibusterer. In a key first step, Democratic Senator 445 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 7: the Jean Shaheen wrote us down to talk about it, Senator, 446 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 7: and thanks so much for joining us. 447 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 4: Good morning. 448 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 7: Can you give us a an idea in our viewers, 449 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 7: an idea what happened behind the scenes to have you 450 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 7: Senator Kin Angus King, Catherine more Cortez, Master Jackie Rosen, 451 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 7: and John Fetterman, as well as Maggie Hasan and Dick 452 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 7: Durban all come together to get to the sixty threshold. 453 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 2: Can you bring us behind the scenes for that. 454 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 4: Well, there had been discussions going on really since the 455 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 4: shutdown about how could we work together to end this, 456 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 4: how could we make sure that we can address healthcare 457 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 4: costs for the millions of Americans who are seeing their 458 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 4: healthcare costs rise as the result. 459 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 2: Of the bill that was passed. 460 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 4: In the summer that the president wanted. And so I 461 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 4: think this agreement gives us an opportunity to continue to 462 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 4: do that work. We're going to have a vote, and 463 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 4: I believe there are a number of Republicans who are 464 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 4: going to join us in trying to address healthcare costs 465 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 4: for Americans. But we're also turning the government back on 466 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 4: we're making. 467 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so far, I'm only about help with the sound bite. 468 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: She evades things other than trying to claim that they 469 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: want to address health care costs based on everything I've 470 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: told you so far. Oh, they're going to address it, 471 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 3: all right, and health care costs will go up. 472 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 7: Michael, you can insult me all you want, but I 473 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 7: have to tell you I have never failed to perform 474 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 7: in the bathroom. 475 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: That is where I shine. 476 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 6: It's the slip of the tongue that always gets in well. 477 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 3: And knowing him, I'm sure he does shine in the bathroom, 478 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 3: because if he talked to his commanders, he's not shining whatsoever. 479 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 2: So there's that. 480 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 3: Back to Democrat Senator Shaheen on Fox and Friends this morning. 481 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 4: Making sure that the people of America can get the 482 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 4: food benefits that they need, that air traffic controllers can 483 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 4: get paid, the federal workers are able to come back 484 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 4: the ones who are let go, that they get paid, 485 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 4: the contractors get paid. That aviation moves forward forward. So 486 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 4: we are going to be able to continue to fight 487 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 4: about healthcare because we're going to have a vote in December. 488 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 7: So Senator Chuck Schumier, leader on the State, said I 489 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 7: cannot support a continuing resolution that fails to address healthcare. 490 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 2: I am voting No. 491 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 7: Did you do this outside leadership? And was there a 492 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 7: big push for you not to join the others and 493 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 7: break the sixty threshold. 494 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 4: No, we kept leadership informed throughout. And I think it's 495 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 4: important to remember who's responsible for why we got into 496 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 4: this shutdown. We are here because we are concerned about 497 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 4: the healthcare costs rising significantly on millions of Americans. 498 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 3: And oh, she did not blame Republicans. Now, why is 499 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 3: that important? She also says that they did it in full. 500 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: They fully informed the Senate Minority Leader, Chuck Schumer about 501 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: everything they were doing, and I called totally a that. 502 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 3: Oh they may have occasionally said, by the way, Chucky, 503 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 3: here's what we're doing, but that's not how Washington DC works. 504 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 3: What they were really doing was this. They were caucusing 505 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 3: on their own. They were probably talking in private to 506 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 3: either you know, either the Speaker of the House or 507 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 3: the Majority Whip, somebody in the House about what they 508 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 3: could or could not do. And they were certainly having 509 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 3: some conversations with the Senate Majority of Leader John Thune 510 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: or somebody on his staff, because in order to break 511 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 3: the logjam, they have to know for certain that whether 512 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: it's going to be five of them or eight of them, 513 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 3: whatever the number turns out to be, that they're all 514 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 3: going to stand pat They also wouldn't do this for 515 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: two other reasons. One is, if you recall, they're all 516 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 3: from battleground states, they're all up for reelection in twenty 517 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 3: twenty six, And the longer this goes on, the more. 518 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 3: For example, air traffic control air traffic would absolutely become 519 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 3: a disaster. Now you may think that just ten percent 520 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: of flights being cut is no big deal, but when 521 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 3: a plane doesn't get from point A to point B, 522 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 3: then you can't get a crew from point A to 523 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: point B, and those passengers that no longer can get 524 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 3: there they have to find another way to get there. 525 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: So now all of the back. 526 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 3: End stuff that goes on when you book a ticket 527 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 3: with an airline, that's just double their expenses. That's just 528 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 3: double the workload that they have because they never know, Okay, 529 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 3: how do we now, how do we now manipulate this 530 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 3: flight schedule so we can maximize crew time and not 531 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 3: have crews where they can't get to where. 532 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: They're going to go. 533 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 3: That would just, like an exponentially get worse and worse 534 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 3: and worse. It wouldn't just be cutting ten percent of flights, 535 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 3: it would be much. 536 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 2: More than that. 537 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 3: So they knew that it's the closer we got to 538 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 3: the Thanksgiving season, they had to do something because the 539 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 3: blowback was going to fall on them, on the Democrats. 540 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 3: So they sat down and they said, look, can we 541 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 3: just reach a deal where we can at least talk 542 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: about the Affordable Care Act and those subsidies? 543 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 2: And I'm sure that Soon said, sure, that's what we've 544 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: been offering all along. 545 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 3: But if you'll come over here and if you'll vote 546 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 3: with us, then we will do that. They've effectively now 547 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 3: accomplished two things. 548 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 2: Makes it. 549 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 3: There are a couple of big ass assumptions we have 550 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 3: to make here. One is all they've done. Remember I 551 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 3: want to, I want to, I want you to remember. 552 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 3: All they have done is they've agreed to invoke cloture, 553 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 3: so that means they've stopped debate. There will still have 554 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 3: to be a motion to bring the Continuing Resolution to 555 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 3: the floor. It may or may not have some changes 556 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 3: in it. If it does, it has to go back 557 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 3: to the House or go to a conference committee. If 558 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 3: it does that, the whole thing starts all over again, 559 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: So don't get too excited.