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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me here today. I'm

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Speaker 1: And I've known your father, Judge Patt dink Locker, a

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Speaker 1: across political lines as an outstanding jurist. So you come

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Speaker 1: from great lineage. Let me just applaud you on your

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I've truly blessed.

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Speaker 1: And I'm probably inspiring to you as well.

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Speaker 2: So absolutely yes.

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Speaker 1: Did you aspire to be a judge when you went

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Speaker 2: So a lot of people ask me that obviously with

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Speaker 2: I knew I wanted to be a prosecutor, and that's

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Speaker 2: what I was for almost thirteen years before I took

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Speaker 1: That is outstanding. Obviously a lot of competition out there,

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Speaker 1: But you don't run it. You don't run under a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I can only control what goes

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Speaker 1: Well, I know people have in the community appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: I agree, I think setting bond is really hard. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I said before, I can only control

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say the majority of the cases on

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Speaker 2: of a drug problem. You then commit other crimes, and

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Speaker 2: then there is mental health you know, issues mixed in

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Speaker 2: with that as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think anybody knows anything about drug

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Speaker 1: addiction and the use of drugs. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: you know, people like to booze it up to deal

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Speaker 1: with that. Well, you got some people with big time

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Speaker 1: sort of cope with their mental illness. Can you refer

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Speaker 1: because it's two separate courts downtown, correct.

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Speaker 2: So there are some judges on our court that have

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Speaker 2: mental health court dockets, so they're still a common police

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Speaker 2: judge like me, but they do have a specialty docket.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so sometimes they will be evaluated for mental

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Speaker 2: health court, and if it's appropriate, then we can refer

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Speaker 2: them to that judge and they'll be on that docket

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Speaker 2: and see their case through through mental health court, all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, and then of course the drugs, the property crimes

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Speaker 1: directly related to it. It even sometimes the violence, which

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Speaker 1: is I don't understand how anybody could drive by a

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Speaker 1: switch glock into a crowd. Is that I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: if you have any inside information on that, but that

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Speaker 1: happens so seemingly frequently. Is that gang related activity that

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Speaker 1: has a connection with drugs? Is that what we're seeing there?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I think yeah, I you know, I

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Speaker 2: dealt with a lot of those cases as a prosecutor.

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Speaker 2: I don't I think the police would be able to

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Speaker 2: that more.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, that's okay, sponge Yah asking because I'm curious. I understand.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious a bunch of other people who are curious.

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Speaker 1: Are you getting the resources you need? As you have

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Speaker 1: sat on the bench now for coming up on a year,

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Speaker 1: you feel like that you have adequate resources?

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Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, I do. You know, you go through

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Speaker 2: a lot of training through with the Supreme Court. I

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Speaker 2: also have colleagues, you know, on the bench, other judges

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Speaker 2: that have welcomed me, and people I can you know,

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Speaker 2: go to and ask questions. Uh. And you know I

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Speaker 2: am familiar with a lot of the attorneys, you know,

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Speaker 2: because I practiced in the court room for almost thirteen

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Speaker 2: like I have enough resources.

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Speaker 1: Well, we hope you stay on the bench. November is

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Speaker 1: the big election coming up, and it's going to be

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Speaker 1: mind your judges. Gop judges dot com I believe was

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Speaker 1: one of the websites that used to do that. But

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Speaker 1: times hopefully for the election of November. She'll have her

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Speaker 1: solidifying that right now. So I figured in a matter

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Speaker 1: worthy person for that assistance. Judged ink Locker, it's been

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Speaker 1: a real pleasure having you in studio today. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: your efforts in coming down and I hope we will

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Speaker 1: talk between now November.

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Speaker 2: No, thank you so much once again, thank you for

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Speaker 2: this opportunity. I really really appreciate it. I'm honored to

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Speaker 2: be here. Thanks for inviting me, and I do hope

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Speaker 2: I can come again in the future.

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Speaker 1: You will listen up, Bert, the offer is going to

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Speaker 1: be extended. You a hear from her on this fifty

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Speaker 1: five Caresey Mornings show between now November. That's cause she refused.

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Speaker 1: I doubt that's going to happen. Can you give me

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Speaker 1: a favor and tell your dad high I will.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you, I have a great day.

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