Speaker 1: American wait to midweek. Here we go Scott Sloan back
Speaker 1: on seven hundred W wellw he called it intolerable. One
Speaker 1: of the latest, the longest list of adjectives I've ever
Speaker 1: heard about crime in Cincinnati. The new one is intolerable.
Speaker 1: That would be your adjective of the day, is what
Speaker 1: mayor have to have. Puerval called the violence downtown the
Speaker 1: back to back shootings on Fountain Square and says significant
Speaker 1: changes are coming after all that. So we're going to
Speaker 1: see swat on Fountain Square. We're going to see the
Speaker 1: Civil Disturbance Response Team whatever that is, on Fountain Square,
Speaker 1: and it's going to look like parts of Gaza. Chief
Speaker 1: Terry Thiji is commanding her officers to make contact with
Speaker 1: people for even the most minor offenses. That's called the
Speaker 1: broken windows theory of policing, which is just absolutely as
Speaker 1: sailed for years by progressives, is just punching down on
Speaker 1: people and stopping them and causing distrust in the community.
Speaker 1: And now, guess what turns out that strategy might work
Speaker 1: a little bit. Huh. But before the Mayor's Presser Council
Speaker 1: had a public safety hearing yesterday, it was really hard
Speaker 1: to hear that, and you could hear the frustration from residents. Listen,
Speaker 1: I am not able to tell future tenants since they
Speaker 1: would be safe.
Speaker 2: I've been down the district to a couple times myself.
Speaker 1: I just don't feel like we're getting the results that
Speaker 1: we need to make our tenants feel safe.
Speaker 2: It feels like something has shifted.
Speaker 1: Two of our best friends who live in the neighborhood
Speaker 1: have decided to move. The violence has just gotten out
Speaker 1: of control. Honest and more is council member Anna, I'll
Speaker 1: be with law in public safety. She sits on the
Speaker 1: committee and sat through that difficult testimony yesterday, Anna, good morning,
Speaker 1: how you been by?
Speaker 2: Good morning? Thanks got me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, your reaction when you're sitting there listening to
Speaker 1: all these people say, look, I have his investment of property,
Speaker 1: and I'm a landlord who I feel him is imagine going, hey,
Speaker 1: I have people who won't rent because they afraid they're
Speaker 1: going to get shot, or someone has said, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: my circle of friends, they're all moving out because they've
Speaker 1: got small kids, or they just fear their safety. That
Speaker 1: was some of the most compelling testimony I think I've
Speaker 1: heard in a long time, and it shows you how
Speaker 1: far gone things are. What was your immediate reaction.
Speaker 2: Well, immediately in the moment, I made sure my staff
Speaker 2: got all those folks contact information, and I was taking
Speaker 2: diligent notes. You know, I take all of this very
Speaker 2: very seriously. You know, public safety, making sure people feel
Speaker 2: safe is my number one priority, and I know that shared.
Speaker 2: So I followed up afterwards with the city manager and
Speaker 2: the police chief listing out the issues that we heard.
Speaker 2: I took notice on the exact location, so you know
Speaker 2: we're going to take action here. I also spoke was
Speaker 2: the assistant police chief yesterday about another issue that was
Speaker 2: brought to my attention. So we're really taking action here
Speaker 2: and using police based solutions to really dig into what's
Speaker 2: happening in this specific spot to make sure that we
Speaker 2: can everyone feels safe, feel safe in our safe right.
Speaker 2: It's exception plus reality.
Speaker 1: I'm here with the grape Vines about well, we heard
Speaker 1: this morning about Jeff Ruby's Lempica, which used to be
Speaker 1: the main location in the art deco restaurant on Seventh Street,
Speaker 1: and they've now turned that into an event space. Actually,
Speaker 1: I was at a wedding there a few months ago
Speaker 1: and this absolute spectacular is way over the top. It's
Speaker 1: so nice. They're closing that location and mainly a beef
Speaker 1: with the landlord with Town Properties, which I get because
Speaker 1: they there's some safety issues like doors not being locked
Speaker 1: and things like that, and so we don't feel safe
Speaker 1: and our businesses compromise. So we're closing that up despite
Speaker 1: a huge investment in that. Don't know what it's going
Speaker 1: to become in the future, if anything, but that's a loss,
Speaker 1: and they're moving their business operations to Walnut Street. But
Speaker 1: you know, behind these scenes, I guess they're hearing rumors
Speaker 1: that there's maybe some threats there, saying, hey, we if
Speaker 1: we got gun you know, people shooting each other on
Speaker 1: Fountain Square across from our beautiful flagship restaurant on Fountain Square.
Speaker 1: And now we've had the shooting the other we had
Speaker 1: what two shootings in the last few days on Fountain Square,
Speaker 1: like right in front of Rubies. That's not a place
Speaker 1: where people are gonna feel safe coming to our client.
Speaker 1: Tell it's not gonna be safe. We're gonna have to
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to move. Losing that would send I
Speaker 1: think a tuttle wave of problems for those who sit
Speaker 1: on council and those who seek to be re elected
Speaker 1: or elected might be a good thing for them. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true or not, Anna, but
Speaker 1: that that's really really telling there. If we have flagship restaurants,
Speaker 1: if we have the culinary name in Cincinnati going, we
Speaker 1: can't be in Cincinnati. You lost.
Speaker 2: So I can't comment on you know, the speaks of
Speaker 2: landlords or any of that details. I know probably as
Speaker 2: much as you reading in the press. But again, this
Speaker 2: council and mayor and administration, we're truly taking action. You
Speaker 2: heard yesterday from the slice chief and the mayor new
Speaker 2: plans around Sountain Square, both from looking at transportation patterns,
Speaker 2: what we need to do to kind of spread out
Speaker 2: the people and make sure that we have better coverage,
Speaker 2: also bringing in additional support from law enforcement. So that
Speaker 2: is the work we're doing. I mean, I think what
Speaker 2: was most shocking to me was the most recent recent
Speaker 2: is it. Where's the fact that we had four officers there? Yep? Right,
Speaker 2: and that's that's just shocking behavior. I think we all
Speaker 2: just have to name it that that is insane.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: However, many years ago, knowing that four officers were a
Speaker 2: matter of yards away from you would have been at
Speaker 2: the turrent. So you know this, this is a new level,
Speaker 2: and we are stepping up to the plate to provide
Speaker 2: more resources, new resources, partnering with the governor, partnering with
Speaker 2: the sheriff's office, doing all of that work to really
Speaker 2: try to tackle what's happening.
Speaker 1: But isn't that an indication Anna that it's too far gone?
Speaker 1: I mean that that you know, it's not like everyon's
Speaker 1: gonna pull up stakes. But you know, all this action now, okay, great,
Speaker 1: but if the bad guys aren't obeying law enforcement, there's
Speaker 1: a cop standing right there, I'm gonna shoot at you anyway.
Speaker 1: All the adjectives, all the superlatives, all the patrols, all
Speaker 1: the curfews. What you're saying is it hasn't done anything
Speaker 1: to stop the violence. And that then tells me that
Speaker 1: we moved that that our leaders moved way too late
Speaker 1: on us.
Speaker 2: You know, here, here's what I would say. It would
Speaker 2: be really helpful if we had support from the state
Speaker 2: in terms of laws, because there are too many guns
Speaker 2: on our street. And you know, I'm going to talk
Speaker 2: about this all day. It is too easy to get
Speaker 2: firearms legally and too we can get them easily illegally
Speaker 2: as well. And so it'll be really great if Ohio
Speaker 2: had some stronger gun laws or we could actually go
Speaker 2: after getting somewhere climbs off the street harder. And you
Speaker 2: know that's part of the work of the Crime Gun
Speaker 2: Intelligence Center, and we partner with the APS with local
Speaker 2: law inslacement, the Ohio State Controls helping us with us like,
Speaker 2: there are too many guns, and I think we just
Speaker 2: all need this acknowledge are too many guns on our streets.
Speaker 2: And that is why I'm really passionate about we need
Speaker 2: stronger laws at the state level, hopefully at the federal
Speaker 2: level that actually empower us to go get the firearms
Speaker 2: pot of the handle games with the people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me push back on that. A couple of points.
Speaker 1: Number one would be we have federal laws. The law
Speaker 1: says if you are a felon and you you're carrying
Speaker 1: a gun, you've now escalated that you go to prison.
Speaker 1: And yet we have judges ardi progressive judges that see
Speaker 1: juveniles and see people go, oh, you got a gun.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to have a gun. You cut your ankle, bonder, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're good, go ahead, It's fine, we'll catch it a
Speaker 1: later date. I mean, weep. You keep calling for tougher laws,
Speaker 1: but you're not enforcing the laws of the books. Why
Speaker 1: aren't we getting tougher with people who are who end
Speaker 1: up getting jammed up with a gun and they right
Speaker 1: out of a felony. That's that's called having a gun
Speaker 1: and disability. And I'm sorry, but we have judges in
Speaker 1: Cincinnati that allow that.
Speaker 2: Hey, our judges are making sure that laws are performed
Speaker 2: and executed.
Speaker 1: Are they're not? Otherwise they wouldn't have this.
Speaker 2: Hey, agree to disagree on this one, right, That's that's fair.
Speaker 2: But you know, at the end of the day, I
Speaker 2: think we have too many guns. I support the work
Speaker 2: of our Crime Intelligence Center going after those because it
Speaker 2: was shocking to me to watch the video in the
Speaker 2: prep sumping gestrict with the police chief and how casually
Speaker 2: someone was able to just pull gun out, shoot shoot
Speaker 2: at people and walk away. Right, That's that's horrific.
Speaker 1: We can all because they know there's now consequences if
Speaker 1: I do that.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean officers are on the scene pretty pretty quickly, right,
Speaker 2: So like now it's a matter of putting together the
Speaker 2: case and going through with that and that again, that
Speaker 2: is where we have to do often to the job
Speaker 2: from the city perspective of putting together strong cases so
Speaker 2: our judges have all the information. And frankly, we're doing
Speaker 2: work to working with the judicial system on improving our
Speaker 2: technology in the courtrooms making sure that information is more
Speaker 2: readily available that we had that we were able to
Speaker 2: provide all that case information. So here's the I'm the
Speaker 2: only only kid in my family who's not a lawyer.
Speaker 2: My brother is actually a prosecutor in the Federal Office
Speaker 2: and VC. But you know these lawyers, you know, having
Speaker 2: making sure the prosecutors have all the information that day
Speaker 2: in front of them with technology, that is a big
Speaker 2: challenge right now. So we are working the city puts
Speaker 2: dollars together and there's a whole kind of task force
Speaker 2: with our judges where we're making sure that we're empowering
Speaker 2: our judges and our prosecutors and our officers with all
Speaker 2: the technology to make sure all that information is at
Speaker 2: their fingertips when need decisions for being made out the court.
Speaker 1: But the problem is they're not. And you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think gun laws may do something in the future,
Speaker 1: probably not, because any I think The other element of
Speaker 1: two analoby is how are the people, especially juveniles, getting guns? Well,
Speaker 1: they're breaking into cars. Well, why are people live in
Speaker 1: guns and cars? Is because I think a couple of things.
Speaker 1: Number one would be there's a lot of places we
Speaker 1: are not allowed to carry by law, and so I say, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't feel safe in Cincinnati. If I come downtown,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come with a gun. I'll come heavy and okay,
Speaker 1: if I got to go somewhere to leave in my car,
Speaker 1: I think that's just a It's like a self fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 1: The more unsafe people feel, the more they feel they
Speaker 1: need to arm themselves. They can't bring it in, so
Speaker 1: they're leaving the car, which encourages people to break into
Speaker 1: cars and steal guns.
Speaker 2: You know, I have talked about secure firem storageing cars
Speaker 2: and force. So I know, no, this is a place
Speaker 2: where we can both agree in terms of making sure
Speaker 2: that you know, if a gun, if you're bringing it downtown,
Speaker 2: but sure legal right, let's have it locked up right.
Speaker 2: So we're doing a couple of things. One, we're increasing
Speaker 2: our requirements when it comes to parking garages and parking
Speaker 2: lots on what's needed in terms of better lighting, camera, landscaping, security.
Speaker 2: And then we're also going to have PtD go out
Speaker 2: and provide a feeding system for all those garages. So
Speaker 2: you as I responsible suchizens driving downtown to say, oh
Speaker 2: because of an ADC or D whatever the scale is,
Speaker 2: this is a safe place that's meeting the security requirements.
Speaker 2: This isn't right, So caret and a stick approach. But
Speaker 2: in addition to that, I've been working with CPD and
Speaker 2: we've started handing out gun safe for cars. At the
Speaker 2: last few home bangals games, that's the home most opener.
Speaker 2: We had over seventy seven people come up and grab
Speaker 2: a gun law. And so that's the work I'm trying.
Speaker 1: To do it. As a gun owner myself, I like, okay,
Speaker 1: I think you know, I hate more burden that people
Speaker 1: like myself because the overwhelming majority, almost all the gunners
Speaker 1: are responsible people. You know, talk about the guns on
Speaker 1: the streets and it's getting out there because responsible people
Speaker 1: are tired of de policing and you know, the lack
Speaker 1: enforcement of our laws. I got all these laws that
Speaker 1: I have to buy buy as a Second Amendment rights holder,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like the criminal element cares about
Speaker 1: that they're going to rob my stuff. That's the frustration.
Speaker 1: But I agree. I think that if you're responsible gun,
Speaker 1: there's got to be something relative to making sure you're
Speaker 1: gun when it's stored safely, not just in a you know,
Speaker 1: a console or a glove box or into the seat
Speaker 1: or sect something along those lines. It has to be
Speaker 1: in a physical safe that that should be by rule.
Speaker 1: She's council member and I'll be sits on law in
Speaker 1: public safety, hearing it from citizens yesterday in a meeting,
Speaker 1: people saying what am I going to tell prospective tenants
Speaker 1: if they ask if it are going to be safe
Speaker 1: downtown and people moving out, and it is unraveling when
Speaker 1: you see gunfire on consecutive and what three over the
Speaker 1: course of a weekend. Basically we had two shootouts the
Speaker 1: other one of the other night where someone who was
Speaker 1: sitting at City Bird and someone pulls out a gun,
Speaker 1: fires a couple of shots in the window. Still haven't
Speaker 1: caught the guy yet, And I think we need to
Speaker 1: make examples of these people. I really really do on that.
Speaker 1: One of the problems is, as I understand it, as
Speaker 1: you understand it too, isn't it like people getting off
Speaker 1: at the metro station at Government Square and then that's
Speaker 1: where the beats start.
Speaker 2: So I think it's lots of you know, people getting
Speaker 2: off specifically there, and more of just how do we
Speaker 2: spread out kind of the mass of people, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense. Right, We have a lot of people coming
Speaker 2: in at once. So that's part of the what the
Speaker 2: mayor is working with sorta on is, hey, how do
Speaker 2: we kind of distribute these bus routes a little bit
Speaker 2: more again, makes it easier for us to have you know,
Speaker 2: coverage when it comes to officers and all of that. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not I just want to be really clear.
Speaker 2: There is no part of this so they're saying that
Speaker 2: people use our wonderful public transportation or criminals. That's not
Speaker 2: what we're saying. But we're trying to use some place
Speaker 2: based problem solving here, right, And if we're seeing, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of a cluster of issues happening around one space,
Speaker 2: how can we spread out the people the bodies right
Speaker 2: to maybe just use some of the conflicts because what
Speaker 2: I'm under how I understand it is some of these
Speaker 2: are starting as personal talk with right, Like people are
Speaker 2: getting into fights and unfortunately they're armed and that's vuccivating.
Speaker 1: That's that's what the last two we're talking about worst,
Speaker 1: you know, just stupid street between people who knew each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's where some of the reflections
Speaker 2: I've been doing frankly, over the past day and a half,
Speaker 2: it's been it's just been around, how do we, you know,
Speaker 2: teach conflict resolution. I know that sounds maybe very basic,
Speaker 2: but you know, how do we help people even starting
Speaker 2: in our schools, and these are conversations I've had with
Speaker 2: our school boards, start kind of teaching conflict rushes at
Speaker 2: a young age so people can learn how that's turned
Speaker 2: down the temperature, sure, because it's just it's just you know,
Speaker 2: too easy.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's true of all of us. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't fix the now we have. You know, we have
Speaker 1: adults acting like toddlers and they have guns, and that's
Speaker 1: the unfortunate part. My point is, and maybe something that
Speaker 1: should be explored is I'll be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: and when I talk to cops and others saying, you know, Metro,
Speaker 1: it's like this funnel and not you're certainly not everyone
Speaker 1: who's ride the Metro that most people are just trying
Speaker 1: to get from point A to point being lived their lives,
Speaker 1: but you've got criminal elements on there, kind of looking
Speaker 1: for trouble. We've heard horror stories about metrobuster evers getting
Speaker 1: shot and everything else. And it largely centers around Metro,
Speaker 1: the Government Square station, and it's such a critical area
Speaker 1: to our infrastructure that's now spilling over to Fountain Square itself.
Speaker 1: You know, we have the Fort Washingtonway underground garage. It's
Speaker 1: not going used. And I know the cry was, well
Speaker 1: it's too far from Fountain Square. You know what you need.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but if for me I've closed that Government
Speaker 1: Square Metro station, I'd make it a stop. I'd move
Speaker 1: everything to Fort Washington Way. You have an entrance and
Speaker 1: egress points. You can monitor that with cameras. You could
Speaker 1: have gun spotder technology, face technology. You have a confined
Speaker 1: area that you can easily police and shut it down
Speaker 1: if you have to, and you can control who's coming
Speaker 1: in and coming out. More importantly, keep an eye on
Speaker 1: people and lock it down if you have to. To get
Speaker 1: a bad guy with a gun and then run, I
Speaker 1: don't know, run a shuttle or a bus that looks
Speaker 1: like a trolley to Fountain Square to get people there.
Speaker 1: It just seems to me like you got to get
Speaker 1: that Metro station at Government Square is a problem. I
Speaker 1: think we got to shut that down and move it.
Speaker 2: I think everything worth discussing. For now, it's the kind
Speaker 2: of changing the route to disperse that kind of cluster
Speaker 2: Government Square, So you know, that is a step in
Speaker 2: the right direction. Again, I want to make sure that
Speaker 2: in this conversation we're not dehumanizing people run the pride
Speaker 2: of the bus because you know, personally, I feel very
Speaker 2: passionately that we have a working public transit and infrastructure
Speaker 2: because it's important right how most people are just getting
Speaker 2: to their jobs, and it's also how in some of
Speaker 2: our kids are getting to schools, people getting to you
Speaker 2: know whatever.
Speaker 1: Fund Well, they don't deserve all this. That's the point
Speaker 1: you're trying to protect them. We're trying to protect them
Speaker 1: by saying, hey, listen, we'll just run We'll run a
Speaker 1: shuttle to Fountain Square for those people, another bus to
Speaker 1: Fountain Square. It doesn't seem that hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I'm open to all these conversations with Metro.
Speaker 2: You know, they they are the experts on their bus routes.
Speaker 2: But for now that we are working collaboratively with them
Speaker 2: on this kind of first step to this verse, those
Speaker 2: bus routes try to spread out the crowd to your
Speaker 2: point of like what we have too many people kind
Speaker 2: of concentrate on one spot and just one of those
Speaker 2: people have to be up to no goods to cause
Speaker 2: sify issues for everyone else. And I think that also
Speaker 2: comes with frankly, you know, for officers who are down there.
Speaker 2: You heard from the Chief yesterday talking through art we
Speaker 2: got we got to be alert, right, We've got to
Speaker 2: have our eyes out open for what could be happening.
Speaker 2: And that's to where you know, we have community advocates
Speaker 2: who are down there and you know, learning simple kind
Speaker 2: of this is what a body language triggers of like
Speaker 2: oh that could be turning into a fight. For being
Speaker 2: much more aware and picking up on that faster. And
Speaker 2: that's what I heard from the chief right yesterday and
Speaker 2: her remarks with the press conference is Okay, we a
Speaker 2: CPD are going to step up here. We're going to
Speaker 2: be watching out for that a lot more. And you know,
Speaker 2: again using our composts, resition, be escalation skills to make
Speaker 2: sure that those personal fights are not turning into gunfire.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: That's ultimately where we got.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I mean, we can teach
Speaker 1: it in the schools and all that stuff, but I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a percentage of the population that are
Speaker 1: freaking animals. What we saw yes to what we were
Speaker 1: talking about. He is animalistic, predatory, sociopathic behavior. There's people
Speaker 1: out there that are worth saving, but there's some that aren't,
Speaker 1: and we we've got to come to terms of that
Speaker 1: and segregate them for society because all this, we've got
Speaker 1: to change them and thick that might happen in another
Speaker 1: generation or two maybe, but probably not. But we've got
Speaker 1: to address to here and now. The people that are
Speaker 1: shooting on Fountain Square. I' mean a guest that the
Speaker 1: guy who fired the shots at City Bird probably shouldn't
Speaker 1: have had that gun in the first place, and I
Speaker 1: would I question the need for more laws if we
Speaker 1: don't take those people off the streets the minute they
Speaker 1: use a gun and commission of a crime.
Speaker 2: You and I have no disagreement on people who shouldn't
Speaker 2: have guns. It should and shouldn't have guns. Right if
Speaker 2: someone's going to be using a firearm that lately for
Speaker 2: criminal activity, should not have a gun. And that's again
Speaker 2: why I go back to it would be really great
Speaker 2: if we actually had background check on every single gun
Speaker 2: sale beyond just the certified sellers, but you know Facebook,
Speaker 2: gun sales, things out of people's trunks all that, so
Speaker 2: we could actually be able to have, you know, a
Speaker 2: way to enforce, hey, you are a bad guy. You
Speaker 2: should not have a gun. Right. And then in terms
Speaker 2: of the hearing, now, that is why we are pulling
Speaker 2: out all the stops, in terms of our local CPD,
Speaker 2: working on patrol, bringing in reinforcement from Ohio State Patrol
Speaker 2: right to really be out there in the community, watching
Speaker 2: out for these instances and hopefully intervening before they accalate.
Speaker 1: Let me, I've got just a second here, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Back on that in the Highway patrol, that's
Speaker 1: a really good point is from what we heard is
Speaker 1: you know, the governor reached out some time ago and
Speaker 1: we're still waiting for Okay, I guess the Highway Patrol
Speaker 1: is going to come in, and now we have all right,
Speaker 1: we had another shooting and so now we have SWAT officers.
Speaker 1: It looks like parts of Gaza now on Fountain Square
Speaker 1: and this guy I don't know. It seems like, okay,
Speaker 1: now we're doing that and the optics that are tough,
Speaker 1: But why why don't we if we just brought troopers
Speaker 1: into enforced the highways, we could have regular cops, more
Speaker 1: of them on the street. Why are we fighting against
Speaker 1: the set? Why are we leaning into the state and
Speaker 1: having more officers more troopers come in so.
Speaker 2: We do have the troopers coming in helping, I'm going
Speaker 2: to go back to the crime done.
Speaker 1: Because like two days a month or something stupid like that.
Speaker 1: That's what's that going to do.
Speaker 2: Of our capacity? Right when we have big busts I
Speaker 2: don't know a better technical term than that of you know,
Speaker 2: these big investigations to take a lot of man so
Speaker 2: having support, but that does free up our GPD local
Speaker 2: officers to be out patrolling our neighborhoods. And frankly, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be honest when it comes to kind of patrolling
Speaker 2: in our neighborhoods, I still stand by you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: Believe has amazing training when it comes to collaborative agreement,
Speaker 2: comes to de escalation. They have relationships with our residence too,
Speaker 2: and that is very, very important because having that quest
Speaker 2: of law enforcement makes a difference when you're interacting in
Speaker 2: the neighborhoods. So I stand by all of that, But
Speaker 2: when it comes to these bigger operations, yeah, let's bring in,
Speaker 2: bring in support and having you know, swat out state
Speaker 2: control supporting these like hot spots right now.
Speaker 1: Sure, But again it took too long. I mean, that
Speaker 1: was something was offered a couple of months ago after
Speaker 1: you know, after the brawl and went July, and here
Speaker 1: it is, we're almost in the November at this point,
Speaker 1: and now we're like, okay, now they're fire, We're going
Speaker 1: to get them a couple of days. It just it
Speaker 1: just seems like we're I don't know, fighting against law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Then we just turn around, puts a lot of us
Speaker 1: on the street. How any different is that than having
Speaker 1: National guardsmen out there? They look the same.
Speaker 2: Well, national guardsmen are not trained in our collaborative agreement.
Speaker 2: They're not they don't know our people. And frankly, that
Speaker 2: the scenes I've seen coming out of Chicago with Ice said.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I have the National guard I'm saying it,
Speaker 1: that's what it looks like. It's the same. What's the
Speaker 1: difference between local squad offers and that as far in
Speaker 1: the court of public opinion. And yeah, I get the
Speaker 1: training element, but I think people see that you see
Speaker 1: paramilitary troopers that are either squat or now it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You've got guys in tactical gears standing on that Fountain
Speaker 1: Square to intimidate the bad guys. It's the same look.
Speaker 2: I you know, for me, I will say, I don't
Speaker 2: think living in a police state, and that's why I
Speaker 2: think I'm hearing from me living in a police state
Speaker 2: isn't our perfect version of safety. And I agree, right,
Speaker 2: but to your point, like there's a crisis right now
Speaker 2: and we're doing everything we can, and if you know,
Speaker 2: four cops standing on Fountain Square wasn't enough, and you
Speaker 2: know what's the next step. So it's really a balance here, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree, I don't think having a police
Speaker 2: date is is where we want to be. But if
Speaker 2: we are, you know, have so many guns in the street,
Speaker 2: and we've got to bring in help to to de
Speaker 2: escalate and keep those guns, you know, out of the
Speaker 2: wrong hands. We're going to do it right now because again,
Speaker 2: like we're taking this all very seriously, and I want
Speaker 2: to follow up, go back to where you're started the
Speaker 2: conversation in terms of what we heard from public facey
Speaker 2: public commenters yesterday, following up immediately, in fact, I'd already
Speaker 2: been my O office, had already been in contact with
Speaker 2: one of the gentlemen and got you know, an email
Speaker 2: after immediately, and we're working quickly here, and I go
Speaker 2: back to problem solving and how do we address these
Speaker 2: issues at the spot right, we heard some.
Speaker 1: Weed we needed to and I had to touch off,
Speaker 1: but I got to get going way away over like
Speaker 1: she's conc member and I'll be law in public safety.
Speaker 1: I know we just addressed a lot there, but I
Speaker 1: appreciate your thoughtful consideration and conversation and in the back
Speaker 1: and forth was really good. Hopefully people listen to this
Speaker 1: and and and the right people listen to this so
Speaker 1: we get some answered soon because this state. I agree
Speaker 1: with the mayor. It's intolerable for sure. Hey, all the best.
Speaker 1: Good luck on the campaign. I know you're doing that
Speaker 1: as well, seeking reelection and council. Anna, thanks for coming
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 2: Be well, good luck, appreciate it. Thanks taking care, take care.
Speaker 1: We got to get the news, run the lake. We'll
Speaker 1: get your reaction to this, so more gun laws will
Speaker 1: solve this. Well, then let's talk about that. Coming up
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