WEBVTT - 4-7-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.680 Don't want to be in American Scout Floan show on 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.080 seven hundred WW on this day of days. Obviously, the 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:11.800 biggest story worldwide is Trump issuing new threats against Iran. 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:15.680 The deadline for eight o'clock tonight is still on and 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.239 either they agree to a deal or face What he 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.240 said is about a four hour blitz. It would destroy 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:24.200 every bridge, power plant, desalinization station, pretty much everything and 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:26.439 send them back to the Stone Ages. Overnight to the 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.319 United States military struct targets on Carga Island, which is 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:33.199 an important outpost there, and that sent shockwaves throughout the 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.600 region in the world for that matter. The question is 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:37.920 is the world as we know it going to end 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.080 at eight o'clock tonight? Maybe not the world as we 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:45.400 know it? But in his truth social rant overnight, the 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.800 President basins said, look, I don't want to obliterate an 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.400 entire civilization. But those are pretty strong words from anyone, 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.360 especially the United States President. On this Doctor Mark N. 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.280 Slaco at the University of Dayton, former Director of International 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.240 Studies and the Foreigner Human Rights Studies There also the 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.440 foremost Middle East expert Middle Eastern terrorism flat from Black 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.160 Black September to September to love, I should say, is 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:11.479 the book mark welcome back? How are you? We got 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.000 a well, we got a bad connection. I'm going to 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.000 put it back on hold. Here, doctor Mark and Selaco, 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.720 let me try that one more time. You got me? Now? 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.080 No here you well, okay, there we go. The probability 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:23.960 that at eight o'clock tonight el Hell is going to 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:25.840 break loose. What would you put on a scale of 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:27.560 one to ten, ten being armageddon. 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:33.679 Well, let's hope that he backs off because, and I 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.120 want to be clear about this, it would be a 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:42.040 war crime to do what he is proposing, and members 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:47.360 of the servicemen in the military know this. The past, 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:51.640 we've talked about Trump being inconsistent, but now he's erratic 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.800 in a way that raises questions about his mental health. 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.920 And he's on the verge of asking the military, ordering 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.160 military to commit crimes on their US Code of Military Justice, 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.200 these are war crimes. You can't cannot take out the 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.040 electric grid the entire country with the intent of not 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:15.000 advancing any military objectives, but for punishing an entire population 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.519 as civilization. He says, you know it's interesting. A few 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:24.720 weeks ago, Mark Kelly, you know Pete accept the Secretary 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.360 of War tried to punish Mark Kelly and others who 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.639 are making a video and which is simply remended officers 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:35.640 that they must not obeyed illegal orders. And last week 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:40.680 except fired Randy George Armytief's staff. One wonders did he 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.960 sort of communicate that they would not comply with these actions? 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.919 But make no doubt about it, there's a really critical moment. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:48.920 This sounds. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.320 It sounds like a joke the way he goes about this. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.480 But what is what he's proposing is a very serious 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:56.800 in terms of war crimes. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.200 Something I saw Mark indicated the Kinan said, well, you 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.399 know what, we realize there's a potential war crime here, 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.600 war crimes, I should say, but if we target dual 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.920 use energy sites, there may be a loophole therefore us 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.560 meaning civilian or military. If the military is using some 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.919 of these resources for military use, then there may be 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.800 an exemption or at least some gray area there, which 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.000 of course is you know the lawyers love finding gray 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:26.760 areas on things. Legally speaking, is aaron out there, you. 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.399 Know, maybe bridges around carg Island. You have to show 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:33.800 the military military necessity of this. I mean the phrase 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.280 from the Geneva Conventions nineteen forty nine, which Dines is signatory, 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:43.440 is a wanting death and destruction not justified by military necessity. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:49.440 You know, around there's a large country, march of the 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:52.680 country is not anywhere close to many of the bridges. 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.080 Is going to take out all the bridges as have 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.960 nothing to do with the conflict area around the Persian Gulf, 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.880 carg Island, et cetera, et cetera. And so no, what 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.520 you're talking about is sending country back to the Stone 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.640 Age or the Dark Ages because he's going to co 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:12.320 elective elect elect grids. This is what Putin and Russians 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:18.200 were doing in Ukraine, attacking the power stations to uh weaponize. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:18.800 The cold winters. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:20.159 That that is, that. 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:24.800 Is beneath the honor and the dignity of the men 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:28.080 and women serve us in uniform. 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.160 On the war crimes element too, I guess if you're Trump, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.880 you're thinking, well, they have nuclear weapons. Isn't that a 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.800 war crime? So by me committing a crime, if you're 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.560 not gonna act in Iran, why should you act on 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:41.279 the United States. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:44.960 I'm not sure the argument there. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:50.120 I mean, they may have they have riched uranium, right 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.360 now they're weaponizing the straits. They're they're sort of strategically 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.200 they have the upper hand on Trump right now. It's frightening. 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:57.960 But no, the argument, well. 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.799 They're going to get a bomb and therefore, as staying 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.080 used to go in war law is silent. Well that's 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.080 not the case. There are there are there are laws 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:14.120 that are embraced by militaries around the world. So no, 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.480 this idea of the United States in a very unpopular 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:26.280 war bombing the country civilian populations is it's not it's 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.560 an Americans. It's dangerous that the President of States is 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.560 even staying such things, contemplating such things. 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:34.840 Well, we've saw that. We've seen that before with him 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:36.840 where he has you know, he threatened a lot, and 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.920 then this is how he negotiates and what the outcome 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.240 is here. You know, I think most people listening would 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.839 be very surprised if we started flattening the entire country 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.159 starting tonight as well. But you know, one more point 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:49.880 in the war crime saying, I will say that you 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:54.240 know you have countries like under the in the International 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.800 Criminal Court, by the way, be the primary body, but 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.120 they have serious limits. There are no jurisdictions over non 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.200 members state. It's like Russia, China, Israel owned by the 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:09.080 way the United States. But you know Syria, Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, China, Yemen, 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.880 me And there's a list of countries where war crimes 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.320 were committed, serious work crimes and they're never prosecuted. So 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:17.760 you know what's the threat here? If you know the 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.200 court isn't gonna come after you, it gives you leeway 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.880 to do whatever the hell you want. Is the problem 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.440 the administration? It is for us. But is the problem 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.760 more the international the ICC because they don't seem to 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.360 be too interested in prosecuting and one for wark crimes? 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.680 Well, I mean the International Criminal Court. Might I talk 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.320 about the Geneva Conventions, I separate that from the Rome 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.600 Statue and the International Criminal Court when we're not a 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:42.480 signatory to that. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:43.200 Uh. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.679 I'm not thinking about international enforcement so much. I'm worried 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:51.200 about just the example of the American using his vast 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:55.280 power to attack civilians. You're right, you read off the 0:06:55.400 --> 0:07:00.720 names of all these countries that that flaunt in national law, 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.200 but we're not on that list. We didn't have a 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.600 lot belong on that list. I mean militarily, what would 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.680 that achieve anyway, we're still less. It will be a 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.000 dark country in the Stone Ages, but oil still will 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:18.640 not be flowing through the Gulf. Rich uranium lies buried 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.760 under ground, still where it was, exactly the situation was 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:25.640 before this war started six weeks ago. So you know, 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.840 the idea that we're in such a dangerous enemy here 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.000 that we have to flop through international rules, we have 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:36.520 to commit war crimes. It's just it's just militarily unsound thinking. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:37.280 Uh. 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.960 And and Moreland quit frankly, illgal all right? 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.760 Uh doctor Mark Anseloca. Yeah, I'm sure most people listening go, Okay, 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.920 it's Trump. He's got It's a lot of bluster, it's 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.480 a lot of wind less action. Uh, this is how 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.760 it negotiates. He says, we're all Hull's going to break loose, 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:56.360 and it probably won't. Iran's ten point proposal demanded a 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.400 permanent end of the war, not to cease fire. Trump 0:07:58.400 --> 0:07:59.960 blants a deal. You don't want a peace treaty, want 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.680 it's a deal deal. Is there any framework that they 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.240 could bridge those two positions or is this just simply 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:06.440 not compatible? 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:09.480 Well, you know, it's insane. 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:14.320 One has I do not have an idea where talks stand. 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.880 He says, he's talking to someone the speaker of their house, 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.680 speaker of their parliament, who has no power whatsoever. There's 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.320 talks going. The Iranians deny the talks are going, and 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.560 you're right. The deadline will come and go. The President 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.240 will find some reasons say we'll make good, you know, 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:36.920 to free we're negotiating good faith. So I've put this 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.960 back so we don't know what's going on. In other words, 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.280 you can no longer trust the credibility of the president 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:45.360 at a time of war. 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.920 Yeah, they said that the thrusts are baselests. They're going 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.880 to keep fighting, and this would be the Republican Guard. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.320 Does ur Ant actually believe that they hold more leverage 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:57.200 than Trump does right now? 0:08:59.640 --> 0:08:59.840 Yes? 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:00.640 I think so. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:01.720 I mean they're they're fanatic. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:02.040 I'm not. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.120 I'm not siding with Iran, of course, you know that 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.400 in any way, shape or form. But uh, yeah, they're 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:12.199 they're holding the global economy hostage right now. I mean, 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.760 China is still getting its way allowed. But you know, 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.800 you literally may end up with a situation where, uh 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.280 and the commentator made this point some time ago that 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.480 there's three to four moves is going to become the 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:30.520 Panama Canal. Ships transiting are going to have to pay 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:35.360 Huran for license to go through. This will enrich he's 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.439 actually enriching uh uh. 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:39.840 Iran right now. 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:41.559 So he may have to go in. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:43.559 He may have to send them. There's these there's two 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:48.199 marine expeditionary units there. There's eighty second eighty second airborne there. 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.120 They got the islands mapped out. We may end up, 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:53.600 you know now the president's in consistence on. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:54.800 There, but we don't need the oil. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.840 We've got oil. The Europeans should go get it themselves, 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.599 et cetera, et cetera. That is not strategic thinking that. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.440 Well, it doesn't work that way either. It all goes 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:08.920 you know, that's an opeck. Basically everyone puts there to one. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.559 You can appreciate it u D. If you have a 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.079 hairy buffalo party, everybody brings a bottle, you dump it 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:14.760 in the same pod and then you drink from that. 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.120 That's what oil. That's what the global oil supply is. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.160 We don't have enough oil. We don't have We may 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:20.800 have the oil here, we just we don't have the 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.240 refining capability to do it all for what we need 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.920 on a daily basis. Here that's why we're a participant 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:26.120 in this. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:29.280 Yeah, yeah, I mean. 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.800 For the president to say it's a little while abilities 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.599 he was caught off guard, or except said he was 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.839 sort of off guard. He didn't realize this would happened. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.800 This was this was anybody who knows geography one oh 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.000 one knows that that's a checkpoint, a choke point for 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.079 for navigation and for oil. What twenty five percent of 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.000 the world's oil comes through there. We've known from the 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.720 very beginning that that was an ultimate weapon to shut 0:10:52.760 --> 0:11:00.839 down shut down petroleum movements. So again, the insistency is 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:05.320 this the tactically operationally with the military doing a fabulous 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.559 but strategically no one knows what this war is about 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.040 anymore except now we're facing this eight o'clock, you know, 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:16.640 catastrophic deadline, which the president push off and he'll say 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.600 something like, well, there's note talks, they ask for more time, 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:22.000 and give them more time. But he's doing it because 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.520 the military is public tail and we can't morally do 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.760 this and in four hours going to take down every 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.640 bridge in a country of nine hundred people, I. 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.240 Mean, yeah, that makes me thinks he's not gonna blow 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.920 the whole place to you know, the Kingdom come. He's 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.360 doctor Mark Anzelaco, former Director of International Studies, Founder Human 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.000 Rights Studies at UD in the Middle Eastern terrorism expert 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.880 on the show this morning on the read on around 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.440 the President. And by the way, overnight, uh carg Island, 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.000 which is a military facility as well as I believe 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.000 there's some oil assets there too, is all struck by 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.320 the US military Overnight. Trump's at an eight o'clock PM 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.760 deadline our time tonight either degree or they're going to 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:02.840 hit a four hour blitz and they're going to pretty 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.960 much wipe out everything in Iran when it comes to infrastructure. 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.679 Part of that too is, you know, getting back to 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:10.600 the issue of what we kind of need the people 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.880 who are against the regime to like us. The more 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:14.520 you bomb the stuff that they need to live on 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.440 a daily basis, the less they're going to like us. 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:17.880 Isn't that counterintuitive? 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:19.800 Yes? 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.640 And you hear the President saying, well, will Lucia's monitoring 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.160 traffic and social media. They Iranian people really want us 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:29.760 to keep bombing and keep bomb and keep bombing, and 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.679 we no one believes that quite at all. Where does 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:37.959 regime stand now in our strategic objectives. I mean, now 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:42.599 we're facing this deadline, this catastrophic deadline right now, but 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.559 there's no again, there's no clear strategic goals anymore about 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:50.320 this conflict, and the president he's looking foolish. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:51.320 Well. 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.000 The other element here too is mental stability. Yeah, the 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.040 other element too, Marcus been this thing started with them 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.240 having nukes, but we've heard about them having nukes since 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.280 at least the nineteen nineties. And if that's true or out, 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.480 we don't know. We go in, we wipe some things out, 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.600 and then we pull back out. I mean, we kind 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.079 of did that to some degree in Venezuela, right We 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.679 went in, we got material out of there, and we 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.120 got the hell out. That's not happening here. This is 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.120 looking more and marty every day, like boots on the grounds, 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.920 and this is extremely unpopular with the American people. I 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.640 get making sure that they don't get nuclear weapons, and 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.719 I think he can do that strategically and knock some 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:25.400 sites out and set them back a little bit and 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.400 maybe have to do that every few years. But wiping 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.680 out the whole country and the boots on the ground invasion, 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.120 that's something no, well, very few people in America want 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:35.560 outside of maybe the White House. 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.559 And then because we're going to bomb them back to 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.360 the Stone Age, which they deserve, said something along those lines. 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.440 All but we may consider help we build a country 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:48.839 down the road. So what would just the absurdity of 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:54.240 that is. I mean, as we know, he shoots from 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.600 the hip. He just says whatever crosses his mind, whatever 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.600 he needs to say at a given moment. He literally 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.000 contradicted himself in the same speech sometimes and so again 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.960 there's the concerns about his inconsistency. No one knows how 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.719 to read him known, how's it erect? But beyond that, 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.280 it's erratic in a way that raises questions about his 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:13.880 mental health. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:16.800 Mark in Silaco, he floated the idea of the US 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.480 controlling the straight or her moves and charging tolls. Sept. 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.520 You know the politics and how you feel about the said, 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.640 But is that military or legally achievable? What would that tall? 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:25.160 How do you do that? 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:27.360 Well? 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.880 I assume so Iron was in talks with the Cutter 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.440 yesterday or it was Cutter who were sort of the 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:40.080 outside deal where they're arranged with the Iranians that their 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.480 ships will pass through so when they fire the missiles 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.800 from from batteries on shore. They won't attack this ship 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.080 because they paid it. They paid a due, they paid 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.520 a they paid the dues, they paid their fee. So 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:59.160 literally they could make a case by case basis. The 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.680 Iran would decide they're not going to fire on this 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.200 ship because they pay their due, will fire on this 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.320 ship because they don't, And totally United States takes those 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.800 armaments though the artillery or the missiles capabilities. 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:14.240 In less. 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.840 United States takes that capability away. They have militarily the 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.560 power to just send up imagine insurance fees. 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:23.320 You imagine being god. 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:24.600 The insurances are the killer. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.120 Yeah, yeah, this there's gonna be They're gonna it's gonna 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:31.560 be a windfall from around unless we can get on 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.760 the ground and get those armaments, get there's artillery, get 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:42.360 the surface their missiles or surface to surface missiles. They 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:47.160 they can literally enforce their demand to close down the 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.960 oil for any country, uh that has not paid them due. 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.600 It's it's shocking, is the you know you. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.000 Look at this to go okay with the chill points 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.920 of straight or a moose, is there a work around there? 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.880 We heard about pipelines. You know you look back in 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.360 history and go the Panama Canal, which I think you 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.600 brought up a little bit earlier, maybe a previous discussion, 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:09.680 that is a little easier to cut through that. But 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:11.800 we did that based to get the rubber to not 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.560 a lot faster because we're building cars. We need oil 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.120 for those same cars we did well over one hundred 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.120 years ago. So the end result here is, is there 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.160 a work around you could eliminate the Straight of hor 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.440 Moves from the importance of it? Is that something that's 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.160 always going to be there, and is there something on 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.840 the horizon technological in the future that we're going able 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.840 to get the oil that we need for global supply 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.280 and as well in the United States of America without 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.120 having to go through that thirty mile shooting gallery to 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:38.960 the Straight of hor Moves. It's being held hostage by 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:39.560 the Iranians. 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.359 Yeah, I'm just by geography. They'd have to build pipeline 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.600 just across the Radian Peninsula. Yeah, you know, get good 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:52.360 on the Red Sea. So assuming you could do that 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.840 and scale that to such a scale that you're getting 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.600 the amount of oil that's coming out by ship per day, 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.520 it would take years to build up place and would 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.639 be inadequate. So no, it's the solution to the straights 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.120 of our moves is to end this war. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.040 But then again, it's up to a rand to decide 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:13.840 if they're going to close it every so often, and 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.520 then we see these price headaches that we've experienced on 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.280 and off our entire lifetime. He's doctor Mark Anseilaco, former 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.920 Director of International Studies, founder Human Rights Studies at UD, 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.040 expert on Middle East and Middle Eastern terrorism as well. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.119 And we'll find out what happens at eight o'clock tonight. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.879 Are you hopeful that Trump is basically just rattling the 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.240 saber and at eight o'clock tonight, a whole hell of 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:36.320 a lot of nothing happens. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.960 Yes, I'm hoping because for him to give orders to 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.000 carry out a campaign of that nature were again with 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:49.520 the beneath the United States, beneath the dignity and the 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.720 honor of the American military, and it's fled out morally 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:53.399 on all. 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:54.920 Right, all the best, Mark, we'll talk again soon. I 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.479 appreciate you, thanks so much for checking in. We'll continue 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.920 the conversation after news of your reaction of Mark Ensilaga 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.480 takes some hard chots at Trump, But if you supported 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.360 Trump and said Hey, you know what, he's not an interventionist. 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.280 He's not getting involved. We're no more foreign wars. This 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.080 is looking a lot like a foreign war. And for 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.480 me personally, I think, you know, going in every so often, 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.760 as I said, you launch some missiles, you take out 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.719 their strategic nuclear sites, maybe set them back a little bit. 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.159 You've got to do that check every few years or 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.560 so in order to keep them from having nukes. That 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.840 seems reasonable. However, that what we're doing now is so 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.159 completely over the top you look at it going if 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.280 we if we do what he says he's going to do, 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.320 are we looking at the precipice of World War three? 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.080 Because I think we are. We'll get into that just 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:40.120 ahead here, Sloan he seven hundred wild. All right, we're 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.000 inside ten and a half hours to go before the 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.120 bombs fly in Iran. If you believe word by word 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.800 what President Trump says that he wants to move forward 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.520 with this, I think anyone who followed the president either 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:55.280 supported him or a student's corner realize that he says, 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.480 rattle's a saber a lot, but really doesn't follow through 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.280 with these things. Now, could he be wrong this time? 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.200 I think that's a distinct possibility. The reason why is 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.720 we know above all else that Iran is threatening his ego. 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.040 And when they come out and say, listen, you know 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.280 you're not negotia with anybody' in negoatiating with yourself, that's 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.600 a shot against him. Also when he talks about what 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.520 he's about to do or threatens to tonight and they 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.639 said it's baseless and we're going to keep fighting. So 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:22.879 he doesn't like to have his bluster answered with more 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.560 bluster and call him a liar. And that's why I 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:28.000 don't know. Is it a coin toss. I have no 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.680 idea how to I know how to handicap this one, 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.000 but certainly it has a potential to be extremely better. 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.560 And I think about this. If he follows through, you're 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:44.200 talking no power grids, so hospitals, water treatment, communications, heating, cooling, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.920 it's all gone. You're talking a country of around ninety 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.320 million people. If you wipe out all the bridges, there's 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.960 no supply chain anymore, so food and medicine can't move. 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:59.920 That means starving kids, women, children. Logistics becomes kind of 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:01.560 night marriage the area, and at some point, if you 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.360 decide you do have to go in in country. You've 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.880 got to now move your military equipment there, which means 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.240 building stuff, which costs even more money, not to mention 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:17.640 the humanitarian catastrophe there and the retaliation. I think that's 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.760 probably real because these people, you know, and again it 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.680 is the ruling class that rules with that iron grip, 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:25.159 and they don't want to give this stuff up by 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.520 any stretch of the imagination, because they want the gravy 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:31.359 tan to keep going. And there's a wild hard card obviously, 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:33.240 the straight orform moves which about a fifth of the 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.879 world's oil goes through in peace time, twenty percent of it. 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:38.239 And we've seen what oil prices are doing. Now can 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.720 you really stand in your home to see oil prices 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:44.560 go higher and higher? And for most American families answers no. 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.879 Now does he actually do it? He said, you know 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:52.200 times Iran appears to be negotiating good faith, but it 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:56.280 might end tonight with another extension. Does that safe him face? 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.800 We have no idea. The threat is real. The deadline 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:00.920 is tonight. And then Trump's certain his blink before, but 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.040 well he follows throwerbacks down again. This is a presidency 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.640 defining moment in my opinion for him, because He's put 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.359 so much into this, and you know, I'm sorry. I 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.200 get as I've said in the past, and I've gotten 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:13.920 caught some arrows for it. But I think, you know, 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:18.880 if you suspect that Iran is close to creating weapons 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.400 grade enrichment, then somebody's got to go in and take 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.480 them out. And it's not the UN's job to do this, 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.119 but I think you can do that and set them 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.440 back with military strikes for sure, and that would not 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.520 involve boots on the ground. And we've done that before. 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.280 And is that every few years you have to do this. 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.120 It seems that way in Iran, and then they'll put 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.680 the effort back into rebuilding stuff and it continues to build. 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.280 You know, if you just attack the military institutions, this 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:45.880 is another reason why the Iraqi people want to see 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:48.119 regime change there. If you continue to do that, if 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.800 you started taking out their food and water and their 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:54.280 ability to get around, now you've created another generation of 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.280 enemies towards the United States. That's the problem with this, 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.240 because if we continue with this, it's going to have 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:00.879 to be boots on the God you blow the bridges 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:03.000 and infrastructure up, at some point, you're going to have 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:05.320 to go in there and rebuild it. How's that looking? 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.119 And you know, the core argument here is every single 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.880 time we do something like this, not saying we're going 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:14.240 to tonight AA at the club, but every time we 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:16.200 do it, what winds up happening is we just kick 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:17.760 the can down the road and create a problem for 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:22.280 the next generation. And certainly a lot of voters, in 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:24.879 particularly Trump voters, worry about the next generation and saving 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.200 American with the Americans going what kind of country is 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:27.879 our kids going to? 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:28.040 Hear? 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:28.080 It? 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.080 Okay, well, if we do it again, we've got a 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.000 long track crcord of this. Look at it. This way 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.280 back in the day we arm the moujah Hadeen and 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:41.159 we got al Qada, we got nine to eleven, we 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.600 toppled Saddam Hussein. What do we get we got isis 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:47.280 we've been doing this for forty plus years and here 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:50.480 we are. You just it's going to create more problems 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:52.080 down the line. And I know you go, well, maybe 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:53.640 it's not my problem right now, but again, if worried 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:56.160 about our kids' grandkids, the unborn in the future of America, 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.840 that puts that in jeopardy. And I know the straight ofform. 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.400 This is an international waterway, it's not an American one. 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:05.280 And if we go and somehow control that, I'm not 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:07.320 quite sure that they're going to let the United States, 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.560 even if we spill blood and treasure to go in 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:12.159 there and make it our straight and we are the 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:14.159 one assessing tolls, I'm not quite sure that's going to 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.399 stand in the Arab communities, Arab countries anyway. And the 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:19.600 other matter is is you know, we're what thirty eight 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.560 trillion dollars in debt, So every time we launch a missile, 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:24.960 every time we send a carrier group, every rescue operation 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:29.520 involving one hundred and fifty aircraft, every plane shot down, 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:34.639 that's money we don't have. So fiscal conservatives has gone 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:36.560 out the window a long time ago. Off have said that, 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:38.959 and that's why a lot of folks and you mun 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:42.520 call it, you know, neo cons whatever the hell that means. Look, fact, 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.880 the matter is, there's no fiscal conservatism in this whole thing. 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:49.480 And every time we see something like this too, a 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.080 lot then point out that a government expanded a good 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.120 powers always expanded at home too. If you're concerned about 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.200 those things, So is it our war? Should there be 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:01.240 a war. Launching missile strikes is a lot different than 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:03.200 we're about to do tonight, if that is indeed the case. 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:07.000 If that is indeed the case, because as we've seen 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:08.800 in the past, Donald Trump will say a lot of 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:10.639 stuff on social He'll throw a lot out there, and 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:13.560 then they say, well, we got a deal, or he'll go, well, 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:15.880 I mean, this is the final ultimatum right now, We're 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:17.879 going to give them another forty five days to get 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:22.120 their act together. But I don't know, is that just stalling? 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.159 Is that How does that play with the Iranians and 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:29.600 in particular the Revolutionary Guard there, But they would just 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:31.600 laugh it off. And it's another shot at Trump and 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:34.760 he does not like shots at, you know, questioning him 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.520 or his ego. And that's what we're dealing with. That's 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.200 a reality tonight at eight o'clock. I just don't I 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:42.280 think eight o'clock comes and maybe there's some bombing, but 0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:45.560 maybe not to the extent he's talking, and hopefully it 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.560 is military infrastructure as they did overnight at carg Island, 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.479 which is it's got some oil assets there, but largely 0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.600 a very very small island kind of fair enough, fairly 0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:57.560 far away too from the Straight of hor Moose, which 0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:00.359 is the choke point here at seven four nine, seven thousand. 0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:02.440 Let me get to Josh and Wilmington first up on 0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:07.600 the show this morning. Josh Haw's life so far, so good, 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:09.560 hanging in there. At least we're not in Iran. At 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:10.480 least we're not in Iran. 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:14.439 What do you got, oh, I just wanted to make 0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:19.720 the point. You know, what he's proposing is obviously, you know, 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:23.920 horrible and dishonorable. But one aspect I haven't heard any 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:27.480 talk about is the saber rattling or the negotiating tactic 0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:32.639 could cause a widespread terrorist attack, and you know it 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:40.360 would be completely you know, anticipated by most people besides 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.359 the people that run in our country right now. 0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:44.600 Now, Yeah, I mean there's always that threat. Every time 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:46.959 we do something like this, there is a build up 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:48.920 of that sentiment that would cause someone to go. And 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:52.919 we saw lone wolf attacks, nothing really orchestrated, like nine 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:54.840 to eleven. The lone wolfs are out there, and every 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.280 time this happens, we see another lone wolf attack. I 0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.239 think it was where in Austin, Texas. We had one 0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:01.919 couple of them around this country, and certainly that's a concern. 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:05.160 My concern even bigger than that. It certainly lost life 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:08.920 is bad, but we're waiting for a digital nine to eleven. 0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:12.160 I mean, they're what Iran has they're really really good at, 0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:15.360 is disrupting our digital nature. I mean, can you imagine 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.280 if if they did what they did to Striker, which 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:21.479 is the medical company, a medical supply company. They basically 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:23.359 took all their data and wiped it out, didn't even 0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:25.639 hold it hostage, it wiped it out completely and stole it. 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:27.840 I don't know how they were recovering from that, but 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.000 could you imagine if they did that to our government 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:35.120 infrastructure or something much much bigger? That would Twitter goes 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:36.840 down for ten minutes, people lose their mind. Can you 0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:39.359 imagine something like that that happening on a global or 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:40.080 national scale? 0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:48.280 Absolutely horrible, And when our intelligence agencies disagree with our politicians. 0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:51.960 I tend to trust the intelligence in the military, and 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:56.760 in my opinion, that was their cosensus, is that the 0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:58.960 worst thing they could do was a terrorist attack. 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:01.800 Yep, And I feel like we're more vulnerable for that now. 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.800 It feels like we're repeating history, and history not that 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:08.480 long ago, you know what I'm saying? I agree, yeah, 0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:10.480 and I don't know how you do this. Finally, Joshua, 0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:12.040 without boots on the ground. I mean, if you go 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.720 and blow everything up, at some point, you're gonna have 0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:16.600 to go in and rebuild stuff. And he's talking about 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:18.399 rebuilding it bigger and better. So well, first of all, 0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:20.280 where's that money coming from. Its money we don't have. 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.960 And secondly, isn't that boots on the ground and something 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:26.240 that that pretty clearly when Trump was sent to Washington 0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:28.879 for the second time with his marching orders from the 0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.439 American people, it was pretty clear that the people supporting him, 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:33.479 at least most of them anyways, said we're not going 0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:35.480 to engage in more foreign wars, and yet a year 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:40.280 in here we are. That's a problem. That's a problem. 0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:42.320 Josh be well up in Wilmington at five point three 0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:44.359 seven four nine, seven eight hundred the Big One and 0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:48.119 talk back on the iHeart Radio app. You wonder too, 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:49.760 if they're looking at this going, well, you know, we've 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.080 got this. The other eyes of the world are an 0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:54.919 Artemis two right now, and they're coming back. I mean, 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.600 if the Iranians are talking about something disruptive, terror related, 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.560 what about that space capsule that's floating around the moon 0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:06.480 right now. Like, I don't know how hard that would 0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:08.359 be to crack that in, but that would be a 0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:13.040 very high profile message that Iranian hackers could send because 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:15.680 all that stuff is vulnerable for sure, and they have 0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:17.320 an avenue to do it. I don't know how hard 0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.040 it is to get in that kind of infrastructure of 0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.720 somebody eyes on it. And I'm talking about hardware digital 0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:25.120 hardware here, but you know, it does make you wonder 0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:28.000 what they are planning in a digital sense, because we're 0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:31.520 worried about terrorist attacks and dirty bombs and stuff like that. 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:35.840 It's much easier and much more effective to do a 0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:39.440 digital attack, and we've seen them have their fingerprints on 0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.320 a lot of these things. That's what I lose sleepover. 0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:45.680 I don't know how much stock I put in Trump 0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:47.920 bombiting them back to the Stone Age tonight, because it 0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:50.400 sounds like vintage Trump, just throwing stuff out there, see 0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.920 what sticks. Because he is very good at talking about 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.800 both sides enough nobody, even those around him, I would 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:57.360 have to think that they have no idea what the 0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:58.920 hell he's going to do next, or at least what 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.440 he's going to say next. For we'd like to think 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.080 that there's a plane here. But on a lot of cases, 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:05.320 I look at it and I don't think he has 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:07.200 a plane. It's kind of winging it as he goes along, 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:09.480 and you can wing stuff. I'm all for it, but 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:11.480 in things like this, there's got to be a plan. 0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:13.840 I don't see much of a plan going on, and 0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:16.040 you know, push comes to shove. If I were a 0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:19.600 betting man, I would say that. And by the way, 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:21.120 I think I finished fourth in my bra in the 0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.040 in the iHeart bracket, So clearly I'm not good at 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:25.760 a good betting. At least I'm not at the bottom. 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:27.440 I suppose in the top five is pretty good. But 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:30.440 if O are betting man, I would say you, there 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:32.200 may be some bombs drop tonight. There may be some 0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:34.600 missiles launch to make it look like we're blowing stuff up. 0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:36.840 But you know, as far as going in and targeting 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:41.440 desalization plants and power plants and things like that, that 0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:43.680 that seems like a bridge. So even Trump's probably just 0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:45.840 throwing that out there to see what the reaction is 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:47.320 going to be. And the reaction, of course, there's a 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:49.520 lot of people pushing back, even conservatives, for that. It 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.000 is rightly so, because now you're just making a problem 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:56.600 for future generations to unpack. Because we've done this time 0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:58.560 and time again. We're not really good at state building. 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:00.760 We can go blow stuff and then go, okay, we 0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:03.400 blew you up. We're out of here. Okay, I get 0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:05.960 that strategy. But the what we're doing here, if we 0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:09.040 do move forward with this, gonna lose a lot of support. 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:11.360 I'll be honest with you. I think it's happening as 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:13.280 we speak right now. If you look at polling numbers 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:14.880 and everything else in the price of oil is absolutely 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.560 insane right now. That's going to get a lot worse 0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:19.959 if that is indeed what the plan is moving forward here. 0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.720 Speaking of plans moving forward, Jeff Cramering is here. He 0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:25.800 is a council member, and today they're going to vote 0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:27.160 on at least in the near future. I should say 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.320 and ask him about this street takeover legislation. Here's the 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.280 proposal from the City of Cincinnati to end this street 0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:36.719 takeover nonsense, which it's kind of nonsensical. No one's been 0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:39.320 hurt yet, maybe some of the participants have. I don't 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.200 haven't done that much research on it, quite honestly, I 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.440 don't do I care If you're going to do stupid stuff, 0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:45.520 generally you win stupid prizes. As long as you're not 0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:48.640 hurting me, we're cool. But when you take over intersect 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:51.800 the street corner, you got police resources they have to respond. 0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:54.360 You've got people then speeding away, and that causes problems 0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:57.880 and maybe accidents, and who knows, someone you know, at 0:30:57.880 --> 0:30:59.840 the very least an ambulance or something could get held 0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:02.720 off been cause someone to die. We haven't seen that yet, 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.920 but it's entirely possible. It's entirely possible. So following the 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:09.560 Surgeon Street takeovers, they want an act strictor penalties, stricter 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:12.440 penalties a thousand of two thousand dollars fine, and they 0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:15.800 want to impound the vehicle for up to six months 0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.520 for the first defense. And this dovetails with Ohio House 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.800 Bill fifty six that classifies this cap of driving as 0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.520 illegal racing drag racing basically in a felony to flu 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.560 to a fleet police. Is this enough to stop I 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.480 don't know, out of state or out of town interlopers 0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:32.920 from coming here and doing what they did, like for 0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:36.120 example at Woodward where you had multiple dozens of arrests 0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.520 and vehicle seizures as well, but a six month vehicle 0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.000 on pound it Now in Louisville, I had a lawmaker 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.560 on there last month to talk about what her proposal was, 0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.120 I believe for the second time, and she said, we 0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:50.200 want to take your car and crush it or sell it. 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:55.360 Now I've got a civil asset forfeiture beef with that 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:57.920 because I don't like the government taking your stuff. I mean, 0:31:57.960 --> 0:31:59.280 if you have to take it, take it. But the 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.760 problem is we've seen this with money. It's like I'm 0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:04.160 carrying some cash going on vacation and they think I'm 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.040 jammed up in drugs when I'm not. They don't have 0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:07.840 to prove that. They just take the cash and keep it. 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:11.120 So there's incentive for government to take your stuff, so 0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:13.160 that I don't like that element of it. I don't 0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:15.240 like because they tend to abuse that, especially in an 0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.320 area like this that needs Hey, we need revenue. What 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:18.760 are we gonna we gonn take your current sell it. 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:21.080 They're talking about doing that at Louisville. I think that's 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:22.959 a bad idea because now you're gonna have law enforcement 0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:25.120 just come in and sees your crap, and that's not 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:29.240 good for anybody, not good for anybody, but clearly it's 0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.040 a serious problem. And how do we deal with that? 0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:33.680 Cramerton coming up at ten oh seven. Ou out here 0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:36.080 on seven hundredule ol got time for a quick one 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:37.920 REALI let me make it. Greg and Goshen here on 0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:39.960 the Scotts Slan Show. Greg, thanks for checking on what's happening. 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.560 Thanks Mary, just real quick. So Dashlee's bad enough to 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.160 worry about that. There's a couple of other things that 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.600 have to pass through the straits that are going to 0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:51.280 be pretty problematic here pretty quickly. Okay, if you're in 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:55.240 the chip making business, you have to have helium. They 0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:57.600 have to remain in that environment. A lot of these 0:32:57.640 --> 0:32:59.400 people that make chips, one hundred percent of their helium 0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:01.640 comes through their two weeks of wat. 0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:04.680 I remember there was a helium crisis not too long 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.000 There was a helium crisis not too long ago as well, 0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:08.400 wasn't there? Does that recall? 0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:10.600 I'm sorry, say I said, what. 0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:13.000 Wasn't there a helium shortage not too long ago? So 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:13.920 I recall it was like a big deal. 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:15.800 Yes, there it was, Okay, yeah, and this can still 0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.680 be a real shortage this time. What worries mean worse 0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:21.840 is twenty percent of the world's fertilizer comes through there. 0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:25.200 Not our fertilizer, but the world. Yep, this is fame 0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:26.200 and territory people. 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:28.920 Yeah, that affects us here in the United States. And 0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:32.120 farmers right now here in America are freaking out rightly 0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:34.640 so because they're seeing fertilize prices go up. Can can 0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:35.840 farmers absorb that? 0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:36.080 No? 0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.640 They pass on consumers. Consumer Can we here afford much 0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:43.640 higher food prices and much much higher oil prices? And 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:45.840 that is that's the tipping point for us here in America. 0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:48.320 It is about our wallets in the end. And you're right, 0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:50.160 I didn't know about the helium, and certainly the fertilizer 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:53.200 issue is very, very big, but anything passing through there. 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:54.920 Because the other element too is they have to get 0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:58.479 insurance on those ships, and the cost of insurance obviously 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:01.320 is through the roof, because well, if you blow up 0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:03.680 one of these cargo ships, you're talking about billions of 0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:06.320 dollars with the not only oil in it too, but 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:10.360 the with the the people on it and the ship itself. 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.239 Those premiums are extremely high and they're aready trying. I 0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:14.480 think on top of that, I think the toll is 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:16.279 like two million dollars or something like that. That's not 0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:18.640 the insurance, that's the toll. So this is why gas 0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:22.239 costs so much money. You know, there's only so many 0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:25.160 ways you can move the oil too. As Anselaco said, 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:26.879 and I kind of spit ball this the other day, going, 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:29.040 you know, it seems to me like maybe we got 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:31.080 to find a different way to go besides this really narrow, 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.840 thirty mile wide passage where they can just you know, 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:36.680 they can shut it down pretty easily. Is there an 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:37.560 easier way to go on? 0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:37.839 Now? 0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.080 When it comes to the seas now, not so much. 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.239 You still have to go through the strait. But is 0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.440 there a pipeline? Can you do? A canal? Can you do? 0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:44.680 Any? 0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:46.719 Answer? If you look at that peninsula right there, if 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.200 you look at the strait itself, the choke point is, 0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.480 you know, the pinch point is it looks like, wow, 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:53.880 we just put a pipeline. Why don't we put a 0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.640 pipeline or a you know, dig a tunnel or something 0:34:56.760 --> 0:35:00.400 underwater pipeline. Maybe you can't though, because it's the other thing. 0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:02.120 With the canal there would be so mountainous you just 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:05.040 simply can't do that, whereas Panama, I mean, you're talking 0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:08.480 what in the nineteen hundreds when they did that. That's 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:10.399 much much different than what we're talking about here. Because 0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:12.719 there's so much mountain and terrain it'd be it's hard 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.040 to get a pipeline or anything to go uphill. And 0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:17.720 then the digging, of course, you got to dig through mountains. 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:18.320 In order to do this. 0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.080 I don't know if that's feasible or not. And you 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:22.279 got to defend it's a whole nother thing. And then 0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:25.200 what if where they put the or if they decided 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:29.120 to put the canal under the pipeline, that new government 0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:30.960 comes in, a radical government comes in, takes it over. 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.160 So we're back to where we started again. So we 0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.160 got that to contend with. We'll all hulbreak lose tonight 0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:38.359 at eight o'clock. That's a big question. We'll continue to follow. 0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:41.120 A full update here in seconds on the Scotsland Show. 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.880 This is the Nation Station seven hundred WW Cincinnati. 0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:45.600 I want to be an American. 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.360 It's flowing back on seven hundred w. O. I'm so 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.239 following a surge in dangerous street takeovers, and I'd say 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:56.000 they're pretty dangerous, mainly for the people participating, but nonetheless 0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:58.279 can't have that Cincinnati moving to an act strict or 0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.239 local stricter local penalties. We're talking like one to two 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:04.680 thousand dollars and five six months vehicle impoundment. And this 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:06.879 is on the heels of Ohio House Bill fifty six 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:11.480 that has codified stunt driving as illegal racing and makes 0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:12.880 it a felony to fleet police. 0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:13.160 So on. 0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.560 This will be voting on this soon as a council member. 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.680 Jeff Kramerton on the Scotts Loan Showjeff, welcome back, Hey Ben. 0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:19.960 Good to be here. 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:20.439 Yeah. 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.600 So before I get into the street racing thing, which 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:26.960 is the big sexy topic, the less sexy topic, of course, 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:30.120 the Cincinnati's income tax hike. After have pure Vaal mayor 0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:32.760 pure Val kind of punted on the timeline he wanted 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:34.799 to propose in the first two monthster in a state 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:36.640 of the city and now maybe three months with nothing, 0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.319 and I was saying, this may not happen at all 0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.719 this year, and this would be the earnings tax we're 0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:44.680 taught tax we're talking about in the city of Cincinnati. 0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:49.719 And I think you said back in maybe earlier this month, 0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:54.279 that there's a plan to unveil maybe a proposal, the 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:56.120 mayor saying it's not going to happen. Are you guys 0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:57.840 on the same page, because you're the chair of Budget 0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:01.279 and finance? So what a spring is? Spring? Is this spring? 0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:03.600 Next spring? Three springs from now? What are we talking about? 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:05.040 Yeah? 0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:08.040 I am you know, no end likes to talk about 0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.919 tax increases, but there is in need. I think there's 0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:14.520 growing consensus that there is a need. There's never a 0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.400 good time to raise taxes or even talk about it, 0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:22.680 but the problem is getting worse and worse. So I 0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:25.920 have always been a strong advocate for going going, taking 0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:28.640 this to the voters, letting them decide. You know, we 0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:32.040 talked about doing this in twenty twenty, which was a 0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.719 presidential year, and there's the thought that all of the 0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:40.320 message will get drowned down the presidential year and the 0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:43.120 year after that we were running, councils, running, the mayor's running, 0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:46.160 and we don't be talking about taxes when we're running. 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:50.120 And now this year there's concerns about the economy. So 0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:52.200 there's just never there's never a good time. The budget 0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:55.400 gets worse and worse, the streams get worse on basicity services, 0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.040 So I still hope that we can take this to 0:37:58.040 --> 0:37:59.120 the voters and make vccasional. 0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:01.880 Let them decide, Well, the net profit tax and for 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.520 businesses down something and they like, like by a third, 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.640 the finance director said, so in December. And if the 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:11.600 economic foundation is that shaky, why is an income tax 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:13.960 the right move rather than deeper cuts? Or is this 0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:18.200 is this what a dest spire looks like, Jeff, I mean. 0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:23.240 We've we've again this, this conversation continued now for twenty 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:27.000 years since the Cincinnati alternative is when the economy is booming, 0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:29.960 our earning s tax is very high, and people say, 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:31.799 you know, we don't we don't need it this year. 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:35.000 So when and when is the right time the economy 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:38.040 is shaky or earning stack is down, that's putting you know, 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:41.000 more stream on basic city services. So when do you 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.359 have this difficult conversation? Is the question? 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:47.080 Yeah, no one wants to have that. Of course, earnings tax, 0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:48.919 income tax. You know, you're taking more out of my way. 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:52.279 And and still Cincinnati is low compared to all the 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:55.279 other big size cities or medium sizes for that matter, 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:57.560 in the state of Ohio. So we're still since I 0:38:57.600 --> 0:38:59.759 think I gets lost in the mix here, we're still 0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:03.240 not acting at the rate of other cities like Columbus, Cleveland, Toledo, 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:03.600 and others. 0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.279 All of our pier cities in Ohio are two point 0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:11.440 five percent. We're at one point eight percent. To put 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:13.440 that in real dollars, if the city was at two 0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.359 point five percent, which no one suggesting that, but if 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:19.600 we were, there'd be an extra two hundred million dollars 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:22.680 a year. Uh So you understand that why there is 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.360 a strain on basic city services when we're that far below, 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.640 When our rate is that far below other cities, we 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:31.840 could have a very modest increase still be far below 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.759 any other highest cities and be able to provide more 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:36.839 basic city services, which we know people want. 0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:40.360 Futures commissioned. I believe there reports at point one five percent, 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:42.959 which is like, as you said, a modest increase, would 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:44.480 that bridge the gap? 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:47.960 Yeah, I mean that that's that's about the number we're 0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:50.759 talking about. Is a point one five? Is it point two? 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:53.960 Those are numbers that have been discussed. If you're going 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:55.839 to raise taxes, are going to be able to pay 0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:57.520 for the things you promise? You don't want to be 0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:00.360 raised taxes and not have it fixed up problem to 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:06.000 That's where the conversation has been around those amount, all. 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:08.760 Right, Jeff cramerding this ties into quality of life issues. 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:10.560 You know you did a residence survey, not too happy 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:14.520 about potholes and other issues. We see this street takeover 0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:16.680 thing happened time to time. Of course, we saw what 0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:18.920 happened on opening day. Not a street take over unless 0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:22.160 you make it a human street takeover with gunshots being fired. 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:25.520 But back in on New Year's Eve, I think last 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.840 year you had traffic stop downtown at the Banks for 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:31.319 street race. We had thirty nine people arrested, sixty five 0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:35.040 cars and pounded at Woodward earlier last month. And so 0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:37.440 people see that and it's just another reason to go, oh, 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.920 I'm not going to downtown Cincinnati or creating business down there, 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:42.920 or maybe I want to move out. Those are real 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.680 concerns for people, not saying it's happening in big numbers, 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:47.800 but it's a quality of life issue. So the Woodward 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:51.239 thing that's already illegal under existing law, what would this 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:54.000 ordinance do that's being proposed incurring by the way, in 0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:59.400 Ohio Bill fifty six, that isn't already allowed. What else 0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:00.759 do they make a lead about. 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:03.560 This, Well, we're gonna be discussing a lot option. So, 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:05.800 I mean the one that I think is most interesting 0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:09.160 is impounding cars for up to six months, so you know, 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:11.200 you're taking the vehicle that was you know, part of 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:14.120 this crime. They're pounding you for six months. During the 0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:18.480 last street takeover, fifty three cars were towed. Uh you know, 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:21.000 we did get some towing teas, but you know, extending 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:24.200 that to six months be much more of a deterrent. Obviously, 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:26.040 cars are the focus of this, so there's a lot 0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.920 of conversation around that this morning in council. 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:31.640 Okay, so you keep the car for six months. What 0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:33.440 if it's you know, my kid borrowed the car and 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:36.160 they're they're sitting there watching the street right saying we're participating, 0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:38.680 or maybe they took off because they got scared. I 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:40.359 got to get to work the next morning. What then? 0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:43.600 Yeah, I know, I mean this is this is a 0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:46.759 very serious crime. So I mean, you have to be 0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:49.840 responsible for your vehicle. H somebody's taking your car to 0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:52.320 you to to commit a crime of this magnitude, I 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.640 think you have to be held responsible. I mean, this 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.440 is you know, this is dangerous. We know what these 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.040 street takeovers. A lot of people are coming from outside 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:03.680 the city of Cincinnati, which raises a lot of issues. 0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:05.320 And you know, I think people are frustrated. To me, 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:07.799 this is breaking the lall for the for the sake 0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:09.799 of breaking the law. I mean me, I don't think 0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.440 going donuts is that fun. I think people are just 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:15.920 intentially violating the wall just to get a high up 0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:18.919 for that, and that's very frustrating. And said something about 0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:19.279 the site. 0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:21.360 Well, all all the stops. I'm gonna interrupt you there, 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:24.520 Jeff Gramonting, did you just say doing donuts isn't fun? 0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:27.000 Yeah? It worked for me a little bit when I 0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.080 was sixteen, but I sorted I've grown it. I would 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:30.839 hope most of them. 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.480 Yeah, Jeff, donuts are so fun. I just it just 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:37.680 depends where you're doing the donuts. Fair enough, Okay, very 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.360 donuts our hell a lot of fun. But yeah, you 0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:42.360 should be shutting intersections down to do it. No, of 0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:46.600 course not. I know you're proposing the six month Vehicle Empowerment. 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:50.000 This is kind of based on Louisville and the last month. 0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:53.520 The person who is uh is proposing this down there 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.000 in the Commonwealth is Beverly Chester Burton she was on 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:59.800 my show a little while ago. Uh, and she's proposed 0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:02.840 as before this time around, you're talking thirty days in 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:04.600 jail for the first one second one they take your 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:06.759 car and they're gonna crush it or maybe even resell it. 0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:09.840 Now that concerns me when it comes to civil asset 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.600 forfeiture because we've seen this with money, people carrying cash 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:15.600 and going almost be drug money even though they can't 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:17.800 prove it. They keep the money anyway, saying with the cars, 0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:21.320 police and well in this case, places like CPD that 0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:23.600 need the money, if they can resell the car, that's 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.480 incentive for them to seize your car, and they drop 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.640 that threshold because it's about money. I got a problem 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:31.799 with that as a libertarian going, I don't know if 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:34.000 the government should be taking your assets or something like this, 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.280 you know, maybe season it for six months or holding 0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:38.320 on to it, say we're gonna park it here. I 0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:41.399 guess that makes sense. But now you've incentivize them taking 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:42.680 your stuff. That I just agree with. 0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:45.600 This morning, when we're I mean, we're gonna look at 0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:48.560 what Louisvill's done, we're talking about the accountants. We of 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.839 course want to deter this make sure this crime does 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:55.760 not happen, make sure these criminals do not come to Cincinnati, SINETI, 0:43:56.080 --> 0:44:00.440 and balancing that with the constitutional requirement to make sure 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:02.239 that we can port with the law. So it's gonna 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:05.240 be a conversation. You know, I've talked to my colleague. 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:09.640 This is what's on the table. There has been some discussion, 0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.279 you know, is this is this really gonna turn? Is 0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:16.400 this serious enough? Talking about our partners, the judges of 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:18.960 the county, So finding the right balance to what will 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:23.919 stop this, but still uh not be of the top 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:25.200 and violate the constitution. 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:27.879 All right, So you seize the car for six months 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:29.520 to hold on to it. I think that sends a 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:32.200 pretty strong message myself, as it's not gonna be tolerated. 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:34.800 You get your property back in six months, and I 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:36.759 guess you're gonna have to hoof it wherever you're going. Now, 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:38.600 there's some as I mentioned, you know, if it's a 0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:40.719 kid borrowing a parent's car, and is that for a 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.440 first defense, Jeff or this would be from right from 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:43.799 the jump? 0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:47.560 Yeah, I think, I mean, I mean right now, it's 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:51.279 a frozen motion. It's right from the jump. Of course, 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:55.360 of people can always provide mitigating circumstances as part of 0:44:55.520 --> 0:45:00.640 the criminal process. But it's you know, you if you're 0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:02.960 of course, if you go to court and you're found 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:05.959 not guilty, because you know your your your vehicle would 0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:09.960 get released. Uh So there's got to be safety mechanisms 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:11.880 built in, and that'll be part of the conversation. 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:14.480 Are these people who are actively engaged in doing the 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:16.920 donuts in the street takeover? What about people are sitting there, 0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:18.879 maybe videoing it or just sitting on their car because 0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:21.080 they're blocked at an intersection. Is this everybody who was 0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:24.120 caught in that intersection, just the participants that are caught 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:24.520 on video. 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:30.200 This notion just applies to the participants. Spectating is already 0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:34.839 a crime according to Ohio state law. So if you're spectating, 0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:38.640 you're watching these criminacs there, you know it is a misdemeanor. 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.600 It's a minor crime, but that is a crime, right now. 0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:44.839 Okay, that way seems a little about what wiggle room there? 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:46.440 It's like, hey, look, you know what I got blocked in? 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:47.600 What am I going to do? I got my phone, 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:50.200 I started recording. I guess I'm a participant, but I 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:52.760 didn't know this was happening. I suppose there's some wiggle 0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:55.880 room there, but how often have they caught the participants 0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:56.440 in these. 0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:02.319 Of the Sinday Police Department and did a excellent job 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.600 with the last street takeover where there was I think 0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.279 forty arrests and fifty five vehicles impounded. So it was 0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:11.800 just a tremendous job. I mean, I you know, with 0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:14.480 people driving through the streets in this reckless manner, I 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:17.480 mean it's I can't imagine how difficult it is to 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:21.279 you know, block those cars and arrest them, get the 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:24.040 drivers out all a safe manner without a dangerous office 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.600 from the public. Who you get that many cars? With 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:29.920 a testament to the Cincinnati Police Department, Yeah. 0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.480 You had thirty nine people arrested in sixty five cars 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:35.640 I believe impounded. And what happened at Woodward the last 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.640 month and I saw that went wow, that that sounds 0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:40.759 a really strong message. You also concerned with those who 0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:42.239 are out of town? How do you separate that? 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:42.719 Do you know? 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.080 I mean technical, what's out of town? Somebody from I 0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:48.680 don't know, a kid from Westchester or Loveland or I 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.520 don't know, Hyde Park or something else. You know, how 0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:53.520 do you how do you determine what's the city of Cincinnati. 0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:58.239 Well, I think, well, I mean ye have the last 0:46:58.280 --> 0:46:59.880 time we the people from as far as way is 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:02.040 at least we had cars from as far away as 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:06.680 New York and Texas. Which is why the empowerment part 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:10.680 of this motion is important because at least some of 0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:14.800 the offenders last time had a relatively small bond of 0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.640 one thousand dollars. So if you're from out the state, 0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:20.839 are going to come and you know, pay your bond money, 0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:22.560 get your car and be off the road and never 0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:25.160 come back. I think that's the possibility. So that's any 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.800 reason the empowerment part of this is important. 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:32.280 These things target and these are all organized on social media. Obviously, 0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:34.200 with the no Kale location is going to be announced 0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:37.560 at the last minute. Does this legislation, Jeff kramerding, include 0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:42.080 any tools that target organizers or promoters or just address 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:44.600 the participants. What about those people who may have organized 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:46.080 and that may be the same person We don't know, 0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:48.560 But if you put this up on your social feed 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:50.319 and we find out who you are, could you wind 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:52.000 up getting in trouble for organizing? 0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:57.719 Yeah, that goes into constitutional issues. Obviously, there's there's first 0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:00.880 amendment issues, But are you organizing a criminal act? I 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:05.120 think that's part of the question. So the motion talks 0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:08.799 about the empowerment. The motion also talks about anything else 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:12.120 from a policy perspective that city Council can do. So 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.839 are we talking about that with our law department? Of course, 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:17.640 we want to hear from the police who were there again, 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:19.920 who did a great job, to see what they're seeing, 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:23.720 what they're hearing, and what can be done to prevent 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:25.680 this and make sure it doesn't happen again? 0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:26.080 All right? 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:28.640 Council Member Jeff kramerting on the show on seven hundred 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:32.200 wwfellow A member Mark Jefferies, who's on the show often 0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:35.759 proposing an ordinance aimed at specifically discouraging out of time 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:40.040 participants by having these penalties for street takeovers, talking vehicle 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:44.040 impoundment for the first offense up to six months, saying 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:46.480 that you know this has worked in Louisville, and that's 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:48.440 even more streme. They're talking about actually destroying your car 0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:51.440 and level, so don't do it there. Spectators are targeted, 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:54.440 and we have House Bill fifty six that's being enhanced 0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:58.680 stunt driving definition there says stunt driving which is donuts, burnout, 0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:02.040 shrifting wheelies, racing the whole thing. It's illegal, fallony fleeing. 0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:04.600 Now it's now fell into wilf found need of wilfle 0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:07.600 laid police if you're participating in a street takeover, and 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:11.640 accountability for participants all in there as well, and you 0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:16.760 could see how Cincinnati's builds off of the existing Ohio law. Finally, 0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:20.040 Jeff Chrimer thing thirty nine people arrested back last month 0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:23.440 in the street takeover roundup, What happened to their cases? 0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:25.920 What are the judges order? What were the decisions? 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:32.640 Yeah, I mean some of the bonds were very low 0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:36.560 from my opinion, especially with the nature of the crime 0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:41.040 and the transient nature of many people were out of town. 0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:43.800 So you know, I think we're talking about how to 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:49.160 deter this and doe more penalties on the places as 0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:52.239 part of it, and certainly tracking all these crimes and 0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:55.760 developing a better partnership with our with our county judges. Important. 0:49:56.640 --> 0:50:00.480 We've talked a lot and then productive conversations about data 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:03.880 when it comes to any crime, what is working, what 0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:07.400 isn't effective be turned and how the city can we 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:08.360 do that. 0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:08.840 When we. 0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:12.399 Had the problems over last summer. The city actually put 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:13.800 up money with it, with our judges saying, you know, 0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:15.960 you know we need data. We help you pay for 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:18.440 get to from someplace that we get better data. So 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:21.000 I think that there is a need there across the board, 0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:23.480 and it's something we continue to work on and need 0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:23.960 to work on. 0:50:24.960 --> 0:50:26.800 Are the judges hands tied? Is that the problem? You 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:29.080 can only punish these folks so much? And does this 0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:31.319 lawlegislation give it more teeth than you know? Taking our 0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:32.640 car away of us is a big one. But I 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:34.880 guess what I'm saying is we know, Jeff, that the 0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:38.600 laws out there where our judges are not tough on recidivism, 0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:41.360 which means repeat criminals, especially the violent felony types. It 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:43.600 just they will released on their own recognizance and by 0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:46.839 the time they cross the threshold from from the court 0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:48.960 to the street, they're committing crimes all over again. And 0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:51.480 judges are just too damn lax. Is that part of 0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:52.040 the problem with this. 0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:56.799 I think that the problem is if you look at 0:50:56.840 --> 0:51:01.040 it in isolation, the penalty might not match the crime. 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.880 I whan we were joking about donuts that if you say, oh, 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:07.040 a person was in doing donuts at three o'clock in 0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:10.200 a school park. You know, you're, okay, that's not that's 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:12.239 not the worst crime. But then if you look at 0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:14.520 this in totality, what's going on in one hundred people 0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:17.400 driving recklessly down the highway. I think we had unwull 0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:20.800 whacked in an organized manner. That becomes a much more serious. 0:51:20.920 --> 0:51:22.840 That's the reason that we need to increase the penalty. 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:25.480 That's the reason these takeovers are so dangerous. 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:27.640 Yeah, but are we going to have judges to go, well, 0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:30.040 you know what, I think it's punishing these poor young 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:32.719 victims even though they're engaged in crime here, and I'm 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:34.239 just not We're not going to seize their car. We're 0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:35.719 just going to let them out. I mean, you can 0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:37.400 make all the laws you want. If the judges aren't 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:39.160 doing their part, it's pretty worthless, isn't it. 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:41.800 Yeah. No, I think that I think that we do 0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:44.920 from the city's perspective, we do need data, We do 0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:48.120 need tracking. That data should be available to public and 0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:52.440 may available to the citizens. And if there's a problem, 0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:56.319 I a judge is not meeting community expectations, they should 0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:58.440 be voted out. And I think that that data, in 0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:01.080 that tracking is part of that all right. 0:52:01.120 --> 0:52:03.279 He is a council member, Jeff kramerting on the Scott's loan. 0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:06.880 She'll be voting on this street tagover issue. And hopefully 0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:10.280 that's all the information you need to Maybe not, because 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:11.560 I know a lot of my listeners are out there 0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:13.719 doing the street takeovers. I gonna be honest with you. 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:17.480 I disagree with a lot of my listeners are street 0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:20.120 tag over people. I'm sure. Hey, Jeff all the best man. 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:21.120 Thanks for jumping on the shows. 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:21.399 Mary. 0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:23.799 I appreciate you always, pleasure take care. 0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:24.160 There you go. 0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:26.239 We got a news update coming in just minutes here 0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:30.399 on the Big one seven hundred WLW, and we'll follow 0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:32.320 what's happening, of course in Iran right now. And the 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:34.600 countdown is out, the countdown because the doomsday clock is 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:37.160 running here. If we believe for his word what Trump 0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:39.359 said at eight o'clock tonight, the big boom goes off 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:40.920 and we wipe the whole country out. We'll see what 0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.600 that looks like. If indeed that's what happens. We don't 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:46.080 know at this point. The only thing I've concerned about it, 0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:47.759 first of all, judges not doing what they're supposed to do. 0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:51.200 The second thing of course, is civiliss at forfeiture, which 0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:53.560 I have a problem with because we've seen jurisdictions that 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:55.120 have been given the tools going, hey, we got to 0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:57.319 stop the flow of drugs. Okay, well see you can 0:52:57.360 --> 0:52:59.560 seize money now. Great, So now they're just seizing people's 0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:02.600 money even though they can't prove its side to drugs, 0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.000 and they just get to keep it. And that happens 0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.800 at CBG, it happens all over the place. I just 0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:10.239 hope that this doesn't become that as the city looks 0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:12.279 for new revenue. Maybe now we'll take your car and 0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:15.759 sell it. That could be coming next, although with this 0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:18.400 version of it that's not the case for sure. So 0:53:18.840 --> 0:53:20.759 it's just a lefty eye sloan here. This is seven 0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:27.880 hundred w weld. Scott's flown here seven hundred WLW welcome 0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:29.880 to and keep you updated all day long on what 0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:33.640 is about to happen or the threat thereof to Iran 0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:38.080 President Trump. I guess I'm looking at Fox News right now. 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:39.960 So he spoke to Brett Bayer ahead of the eight 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:43.360 pm deadline and said, no, this is absolutely happening sometime 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:46.320 at eight or thereafter. A relative to blowing the the 0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:50.399 snot out of Iran. It makes you wonder, though, if 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:52.320 you set them back to the stone ages, as he 0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:56.440 continues to say, it's gonna happen, no power grid, no bridges, 0:53:57.200 --> 0:53:59.960 you wonder the Iranian retaliation is gonna be pretty fear 0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:02.759 But what also happens with the people we need in 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:05.680 that country to be our allies, kind of like within right, 0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:10.879 the pushback against the totalitarian regime that's there. We're really 0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:13.640 bad at this stuff, so keep saying against stressed enough 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:17.319 we going away. Okay, great, now you just the people 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:19.040 you need to help rebuild and make it a more 0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:25.319 democratic state. Is not going to happen because now you've 0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:28.000 turned the support that the United States had against it. 0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:31.280 So I don't know, we'll find we'll see what happens. Again, 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.040 it's Trump, So your guess is as good as anybody's. 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:36.120 My guess is as good as anyone's too. On what 0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:37.920 is going to happen. We'll see, So we'll keep you 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.000 updated on this again. Come up at eleven oh seven. 0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:41.920 Got a Middle Eastern expert about this and what this 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:45.440 all looks like at eleven oh seven is the big story, 0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:49.239 The big story. Just got an email from I'll leave 0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:51.440 the name out said to live in Claremont, my employer 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:53.760 and work location. There's a a Lunking airport. My wage 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:56.239 is deducted from income taxes by the federal, state and 0:54:56.320 --> 0:55:00.759 city of Cincinnati. I can vote in or against the 0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:06.440 leadership for federal and state, but not regarding Cincinnati. How 0:55:06.480 --> 0:55:08.480 many business owners, how many employees work within the city 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:10.600 limits and pay the city income tax to which you 0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:12.640 were just talking to Jeff crimerting about, and don't have 0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:15.320 a say as to who spends that kind of income. 0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:17.719 I prefer to pay the taxes and have a say. 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:19.640 But in Louin, not having a say accept the income 0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:23.080 tax exception integgravating. Yeah, I get it, and I think 0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:25.360 I know what you're getting at. Back to the phrase 0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:30.200 that we learned in grade school, taxation without representation. So 0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:33.719 you're paying a tax, but you have no say in 0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:36.919 how that tax is spent. Now, I do know top 0:55:36.960 --> 0:55:41.480 of my head that courts have consistently ruled that they 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:45.840 don't recognize that if a local municipality does something like 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:47.960 this where the payroll tax gets kicked in or you 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:51.279 pay taxes, you're you know, you're working in Cincinnati, you're 0:55:51.320 --> 0:55:54.160 paying Cincinnati taxes, payroll taxes, but you have no say 0:55:54.200 --> 0:55:56.880 and how those moneys are spent? Is that technically the 0:55:56.960 --> 0:56:00.160 definition of taxation without representation? The courts so far are 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:05.520 have ruled that it isn't simply because you know, I 0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:07.840 get the tax burden falls on people who don't have 0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:10.840 a vote for the council setting the rate. There's an 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:15.040 accountability gap there. But they have said that, well, it's 0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:17.279 different because you choose to work there. You could always 0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:20.120 you could always leave your job and go work somewhere 0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:24.759 else if you don't like it. And I think courts 0:56:24.800 --> 0:56:27.400 have kind of upheld that commuter not or asident peril 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:31.080 tax is constitutional because you use city infrastructure. So Rhodes 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:35.400 police fire is the argument, and you have indirect representation. 0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:37.239 You know, you can lobby, you can advocate, you can 0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:41.080 choose to not work there, and if it's income earned 0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:43.120 within the city. The big one is that courts treat 0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:45.719 that as a legitimate basis for taxation. But you know, 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:48.839 I kind of agree with you. I don't have a say, 0:56:48.880 --> 0:56:50.400 and how shouldn't I have a say in how that 0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:52.880 money is being spent? I think it's irresponsible because in 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:54.759 this case, the revenue is declining, so you're going to 0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:57.720 raise the tax rates up again. Now it's not anywhere 0:56:57.760 --> 0:57:00.279 near what other cities have, but I think that's that's 0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:03.360 a really strong argument. You know, the early grievances on 0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:07.120 there were that the crown, that the British Crown taxed columnists. 0:57:07.280 --> 0:57:11.040 Us are predecessors who had no vote in parliament. So 0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:12.840 we had, you know, the stamp tax. We had the 0:57:13.200 --> 0:57:15.400 Boston Tea Party. It was all related to that, saying what, 0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:18.760 I'm paying tax on all this stuff stamps, so any 0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:20.640 document had to have a government stamma to pay that. 0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:22.320 I had to pay the freight on t a t 0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:26.240 tax and they said, okay, this is stuff, throw the 0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:28.280 tea overboard rather than pay the tax on it. That's 0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:30.880 essentially what they did, and saying screw you guys. We're 0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:32.520 gonna do our own thing. And here we are here, 0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:36.000 we are screwed it up. But yeah, I totally get 0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:37.880 that thing. But I got to pay this tax, but 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:41.200 I don't have a say in it. And they took about, 0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:43.400 you know, you still use the roads used to. 0:57:44.120 --> 0:57:44.400 I don't know. 0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:46.560 I got that. So I work in we're in Madeira 0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:48.840 and years ago because you know, Willie lives here, and 0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:51.080 so he wanted to make sure that everyone paid quote 0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:53.440 unquote their fair share. So he's kind of like a 0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:57.680 liberal when it comes to lining his own pockets. And 0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:00.760 they had passed an income tax here because the anythink 0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:02.400 it was fair that those of us who lived elsewhere 0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:05.120 we're driving the roads, use their fire and police services 0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:07.800 and not have to pay for that. Yet we have 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:10.680 no say in the government. Well, the people that use 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:14.280 the most city services, you know, ambulances for example, that's 0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:16.200 a big one, tend to be the people who live here. 0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:21.280 You know police, sure, but police travel all over the place, 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:25.280 it's pretty consistent. But you know, fire and rescue, that's 0:58:25.280 --> 0:58:27.280 a different thing entirely. That tends to be more residents 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:29.080 than in the businesses. Just by the nature of it 0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:32.240 aren't just kind of funny. It's like anything in America. 0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:33.680 You know, I want stuff and you should have to 0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:35.600 pay for it. There's nothing different going on here, But 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:37.640 I tend to agree with it with the email are 0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:41.840 there that Yeah, wait, I got to pay more in taxes. 0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:43.920 I don't get to say how this is spent at 0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:45.880 the problem of course, then that just makes our tax 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:47.760 structure even more complex if they were to take that 0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:49.120 out there, because then some of you got to pay 0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:50.200 for it. It's got to go back together. 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:50.560 City. 0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:52.480 I don't know how we're working all this, And this 0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:55.600 is why the tax go to so damn complicated. More 0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:57.280 towards the pay as you go tax. It seems to 0:58:57.360 --> 0:59:01.240 me to be the way to go here. What else 0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:02.479 do we have going on this morning? 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:02.640 Oh? 0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:05.240 I wanted to get in this. This is interesting. This 0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:11.360 happened in Green Township. This guy, Jarvis Goodfrey, was in 0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:14.160 court yesterday. This is a dude who shot at teenagers 0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:16.560 because they were ding dong ditching. They were knocked on 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:18.920 his door. They ran to the car, took off, They 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:20.520 went down the street, came back around, and by the 0:59:20.560 --> 0:59:22.920 time they pulled turned around, he had shot at them, 0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:24.880 struck the car, believing the trunk, and a couple of 0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:28.760 houses there on Starview Avenue. And he, for his troubles, 0:59:29.080 --> 0:59:31.320 is now in custody, or maybe he's out on bond. 0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:35.120 I'm not quite sure how they do this. We just 0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:39.680 had this story happen overnight in Indianapolis where a city 0:59:39.960 --> 0:59:43.360 council person there found thirteen bulletholes in his front door. 0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:47.720 Now he is a single dad and the district in 0:59:47.760 --> 0:59:51.000 which he represents is debating has come up and said, 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:54.280 you know what, we want data centers here. And so 0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:57.080 what happened was somebody shot thirteen rounds at his front door. 0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:59.720 After midnight. He and his son woke up to the 0:59:59.720 --> 1:00:02.120 black asked a gunfire. He said, just a few hours before, 1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:04.120 his son, his eight year old, was sitting at the 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:06.720 dining room table playing with his legos, and that's where 1:00:06.760 --> 1:00:09.800 the rounds went through. And on the front doorstep and 1:00:09.840 --> 1:00:12.160 a zipped closed zip lock bag as a doorstep reading 1:00:12.240 --> 1:00:15.600 no data centers. And so he was one of the 1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:17.840 guys that could in his district. He backed the project 1:00:17.920 --> 1:00:19.560 and said, look, we're going to get two and a 1:00:19.560 --> 1:00:22.120 half million dollars in an investment. We could get up 1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:24.440 to twenty million dollars more. We got construction jobs, long 1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:27.440 term tax revenue. We think we need this in the district, 1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:29.400 and so we voted for it. In for his trouble 1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:32.080 at thirteen shots fired through his front door, and of 1:00:32.120 --> 1:00:35.040 course everyone rushing to condemn this, from the people who 1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:36.760 are against the data center in the first place, to 1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:40.720 both Republican and Democrat council caucuses and everyone's condemning. So 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:43.120 when something like this happens, they condemned, they condemn, they condemn, 1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:46.480 And I don't think in this case. You know, I 1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:50.360 tied it to Dravis Goodfree here Godfree in Green Township. 1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:53.960 So not just the data center issue, but in both 1:00:54.000 --> 1:00:56.040 those cases you got a guy who's I mean, let's 1:00:56.040 --> 1:00:57.680 face it, we live in an age now with fear 1:00:57.720 --> 1:01:01.040 and a lot of this has created ourselves. For mister Godfrey, 1:01:01.120 --> 1:01:03.240 I'm sure he's concerned about the West Side, He's concerned 1:01:03.280 --> 1:01:05.200 about what's happening in his neighborhood. He sees all this, 1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:08.640 you know, look at the street takeovers, which isn't inherently dangerous, 1:01:08.680 --> 1:01:10.600 but it gives a perception that there's crime all over 1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:13.920 the place, that now there's there's somebody going to kick 1:01:13.960 --> 1:01:15.280 his door, and it's going to be it's going to 1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:17.919 be another Savannah Guthrie's mom, you know, Nancy Guthrie type 1:01:17.920 --> 1:01:19.920 of situation. You don't know now. I think when you 1:01:20.080 --> 1:01:22.800 run outside and the car that's driving away, you put 1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:25.960 a couple of rounds into it, that is definitely a felony. 1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:29.400 You know, someone firing, someone kicking your door, and if 1:01:29.440 --> 1:01:32.040 you shoot through that door. It's going to be awfully 1:01:32.080 --> 1:01:34.160 tough to convince a jerry that you thought you know 1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:35.680 someone's coming through. And now I think there are some 1:01:35.840 --> 1:01:37.439 members of jury would see that going well. It could 1:01:37.440 --> 1:01:39.200 be a home invasion or whatever, as opposed to just 1:01:39.240 --> 1:01:42.000 a dumb prank. But we are all on the razor's 1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:44.120 edge these days, 't know if you notice that for me, 1:01:44.440 --> 1:01:47.120 you everybody, and whether it's this or what happened in 1:01:47.280 --> 1:01:50.320 Indianapolis is a little bit different in that the data 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:52.440 center is a it's a pressure cooker issue. But I 1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:54.800 think what drives this whole thing where you had, you know, 1:01:55.000 --> 1:01:58.040 had so many politicians now and it's accelerated where there's 1:01:58.040 --> 1:02:01.320 school board members, election workers, health officials. Now you've got 1:02:01.360 --> 1:02:04.680 city council people and others of Supreme Court justices who 1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:07.880 are being targeted for national scale grievances. I think that's 1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:10.600 the thing that social media is part of this, where 1:02:12.200 --> 1:02:15.040 it compresses information and that you think things are a 1:02:15.080 --> 1:02:17.400 lot more threatening than they are, and certain the juries 1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:19.560 out in data centers. We know we weorrery about the environment, 1:02:20.120 --> 1:02:22.720 electricity and things like that, but these things often have 1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:26.479 a tendency to play themselves out and we think, you know, hey, daddy, 1:02:26.480 --> 1:02:28.800 I don't want a data center. Most people, if you 1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:30.640 ask them what is in the data center, I'm not 1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:32.800 quite sure, but they know they're against it. They don't 1:02:32.800 --> 1:02:36.360 want it in their neighborhood. And certainly it goes to 1:02:36.400 --> 1:02:40.360 show you that something is made basic, if not life changing. 1:02:40.440 --> 1:02:43.000 But a data center can reach that same favorite pitch. 1:02:43.080 --> 1:02:46.080 Online is a big cultural issue. So you got locala 1:02:46.240 --> 1:02:48.800 think about, You've got local Facebook groups, you've got neighborhood apps, 1:02:48.840 --> 1:02:50.919 you've got all these things. Turned the zoning dispute into 1:02:51.000 --> 1:02:55.520 an existential threat in less than seventy two hours. So 1:02:55.560 --> 1:02:59.440 if somebody's already in the edge, they're already pissed off. 1:02:59.520 --> 1:03:01.160 You put this on top. It's too much to go 1:03:01.200 --> 1:03:04.160 and shoot somebody's door out, And it's just kind of 1:03:04.200 --> 1:03:06.360 it's also a normalization problem. And every time we get 1:03:06.400 --> 1:03:09.040 a brick through a window, or a voicemail or thirteen 1:03:09.120 --> 1:03:11.280 round shot through a front door, or somebody pounding on 1:03:11.360 --> 1:03:12.440 your door in the middle of the night is a 1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:14.680 prank that you take as a home invasion. This is 1:03:14.720 --> 1:03:15.640 what winds up happening. 1:03:15.840 --> 1:03:15.960 Now. 1:03:16.040 --> 1:03:18.080 Of course, those on the left, the progressives, will tell 1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:19.680 you yeah, this would be a problem if you just 1:03:19.720 --> 1:03:22.080 got rid of all the guns. But I'll point out 1:03:22.120 --> 1:03:24.400 that ninety point nine point ninety nine percent of gun 1:03:24.440 --> 1:03:27.440 owners don't do this stuff. So we got another knucklehead 1:03:27.680 --> 1:03:30.720 out there that makes it hard for the overwhelming almost 1:03:30.800 --> 1:03:33.120 all of the rest of us who have guns to 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:36.960 use them responsibly and enjoy their company, so to speak. 1:03:38.320 --> 1:03:41.720 And that's where things stand today. Those two stories not related, 1:03:41.760 --> 1:03:43.200 but in some ways they are. And this has to 1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:45.320 do more with our parent oi on us looking at 1:03:45.360 --> 1:03:48.440 our shoulders that we really don't have a we tend 1:03:48.480 --> 1:03:50.520 to fabricate out and said this that the problem is 1:03:50.560 --> 1:03:53.960 that the human I think the human condition, we need 1:03:54.080 --> 1:03:56.800 some sort of strife, We need some sort of angst, 1:03:57.400 --> 1:03:59.320 We need some something to worry about, or something to 1:03:59.320 --> 1:04:01.720 worry about. We need worry. That's what drives a news cycle. 1:04:01.760 --> 1:04:05.080 I mean here on this station and others u TV 1:04:05.280 --> 1:04:08.160 for example, but streaming it's all about the drama. 1:04:08.640 --> 1:04:08.800 You know. 1:04:09.000 --> 1:04:12.240 We live in times now where it's so good. And 1:04:12.320 --> 1:04:14.800 I'll say that, yes, it's so good that some of 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:17.680 the most popular shows on television or on streaming, I 1:04:17.720 --> 1:04:21.440 should say, are what reality shows? What are reality shows? 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:24.840 They just make up drama. It's nothing but drama. What 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:27.600 are the Housewives shows? It's drama, rich women with drama. 1:04:29.400 --> 1:04:32.440 What's a show like I don't know. The cop shows, 1:04:32.480 --> 1:04:35.960 the CBS, NBC, ABC, all the Runner, you know, it's 1:04:36.000 --> 1:04:39.920 like csiol of what they're cop shows because we like strife, 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:42.640 we like the Fire Country and the Shareff Country. All 1:04:42.680 --> 1:04:45.880 these shows it's all dealing with well, we're fabricating violence 1:04:46.600 --> 1:04:48.480 because in our world now it looks like it's really 1:04:48.560 --> 1:04:50.080 really bad. But if you look through the history of 1:04:50.120 --> 1:04:53.920 the world, we live in the safest times ever. Even yes, 1:04:54.000 --> 1:04:57.360 even in the mean streets of Cincinnati. You know, if 1:04:57.360 --> 1:04:59.560 you go back to your door getting shot in or 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:03.080 uh you know in this case a city solicitor getting 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:05.280 a store shot in, or some kids dignit, you know, 1:05:05.360 --> 1:05:07.280 knocking on the door and getting shot. You know, people 1:05:07.360 --> 1:05:10.160 used to sell agreemances not long ago by pulling I 1:05:10.240 --> 1:05:12.120 got and shoot each other. You know, it wasn't long 1:05:12.160 --> 1:05:14.760 ago where you could treat a loved one. Your wife, 1:05:14.800 --> 1:05:18.240 for example, didn't have many rights. And that was in America, 1:05:18.320 --> 1:05:20.520 and that wasn't really in his in terms of history, 1:05:20.600 --> 1:05:23.120 not really that long ago. And so if you see 1:05:23.240 --> 1:05:26.920 what passed for I guess acceptable behavior in public, and 1:05:26.920 --> 1:05:28.720 you talk about how crass it is today. It's kind 1:05:28.760 --> 1:05:33.400 of different though. You know, the the the physical abuse 1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:37.200 of tolerating you beating your wife was legal, punishing your 1:05:37.400 --> 1:05:39.720 corporal punished with kids, and kids were treated as they 1:05:39.760 --> 1:05:42.120 weren't treated as children in these precious snowflakes. They were 1:05:42.160 --> 1:05:45.200 treated as cheap labor. You know, if I had a farm, 1:05:45.240 --> 1:05:48.600 which we're a grarian, not that long ago, I need 1:05:48.960 --> 1:05:51.680 I needed labor, and the best way to create labor 1:05:51.720 --> 1:05:54.400 as to what was to have unprotected sex guaranteeing that 1:05:54.440 --> 1:05:56.600 I would cheap, free labor on my farm. And that 1:05:56.800 --> 1:05:59.560 is you know ten my my mother in law, I 1:05:59.640 --> 1:06:02.520 think they're eleven or twelve or thirteen kids in their family. 1:06:02.720 --> 1:06:05.320 Good Catholic families, they said, but they had need of 1:06:05.360 --> 1:06:09.280 the labor. So we look at kids now much much 1:06:09.320 --> 1:06:12.280 differently we did just a couple generations ago, don't we. 1:06:12.640 --> 1:06:14.360 And I think for that very reason that's why we 1:06:14.440 --> 1:06:17.280 stand is all right, things are much better now, and 1:06:17.720 --> 1:06:19.360 whether you want to believe that or not, in some 1:06:19.480 --> 1:06:22.040 ways they're were saying now, social media certainly can be 1:06:22.080 --> 1:06:24.240 a pain in the butt, but when you talk about 1:06:24.320 --> 1:06:26.080 just the safety. You know, we don't have to worry 1:06:26.120 --> 1:06:28.720 about a poisoned water supply. It wasn't that long ago 1:06:28.840 --> 1:06:29.240 that we did. 1:06:29.720 --> 1:06:30.120 Or food. 1:06:30.280 --> 1:06:32.240 Food is pretty plentiful, and now to the point where 1:06:32.600 --> 1:06:34.680 the biggest thing we do is we overeat. You know, 1:06:34.760 --> 1:06:37.240 we talk about food deserts and stuff where poor pok 1:06:37.280 --> 1:06:38.960 folks have to go to a convenience store and get 1:06:38.960 --> 1:06:42.040 a twinkie as opposed to some I know, some lettuce 1:06:42.160 --> 1:06:45.440 or some spinach. The food is cheap and it's plentiful. 1:06:45.520 --> 1:06:48.120 We're killing ourselves with a knife and fork. The problems 1:06:48.120 --> 1:06:50.280 that we suffer from today are much different than we 1:06:50.400 --> 1:06:53.200 did so a generation or simply a two or three 1:06:53.280 --> 1:06:56.680 or four ago. And that's a lot of the stuff 1:06:56.680 --> 1:06:58.480 that's surviving. So dr We need that drama, We need 1:06:58.560 --> 1:07:00.720 that element, and I think that comes from are I 1:07:00.720 --> 1:07:03.120 don't know, it's part of our DNA as human beings 1:07:03.200 --> 1:07:05.520 that you know, we literally had to fight off the wolves. 1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:08.120 You know, I've got I got a gun, I got 1:07:08.160 --> 1:07:11.320 a musket. I'm not worried about some joker online. I'm 1:07:11.320 --> 1:07:14.240 worried about a bear eating my family when we go 1:07:14.280 --> 1:07:16.080 out to get water out of the well, I'm worried 1:07:16.080 --> 1:07:16.360 about that. 1:07:16.480 --> 1:07:17.000 That's that's a. 1:07:17.040 --> 1:07:20.920 Real that's real worry. Or a famine. You know, crops 1:07:20.960 --> 1:07:22.800 are put in and we have a really bad winter. Well, 1:07:22.800 --> 1:07:25.840 we don't eat, we starve, we die. Yeah, that's real 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:27.800 hand and mouth kind of living. That happened in the 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:29.600 course of the two hundred and fifty years of our country, 1:07:29.640 --> 1:07:33.440 for sure. So a lot safer today than we were yesterday. 1:07:33.440 --> 1:07:35.200 It doesn't seem that way because we had this thing 1:07:35.240 --> 1:07:37.280 in our hand called a phone that feeds us a 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:40.840 steady dyet based on algorithms of doom and gloom, and we, 1:07:41.600 --> 1:07:44.200 you know, we continue to digest that as entertainment. Now 1:07:44.680 --> 1:07:47.480 to fill that void we need as human beings that 1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:49.120 we need some sort of strife in our life. The 1:07:49.200 --> 1:07:51.439 real strife we have not too bad. And you going, wow, 1:07:51.480 --> 1:07:53.080 it's luney. You're full of it because you know you're 1:07:53.120 --> 1:07:55.280 a you know, I'm worried about my next paycheck. Now, 1:07:55.320 --> 1:07:58.240 those are those are real worries. But today we even 1:07:58.320 --> 1:08:01.120 despite what you want to believe about Republicans, we still 1:08:01.120 --> 1:08:04.560 have a pretty good safety net in this country in 1:08:04.720 --> 1:08:07.000 some areas. Certainly it does need to get better. Yeah, absolutely, 1:08:07.080 --> 1:08:09.080 but you know, buy and large. You know, you don't 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:12.439 drive down the street and see cardboard shacks, people living 1:08:12.480 --> 1:08:15.120 in cardboard boxes, generally whole communities as you did maybe 1:08:15.160 --> 1:08:18.799 during the Great Depression. It's just simply not acceptable. Hoboes, 1:08:18.800 --> 1:08:19.360 where did they go? 1:08:19.479 --> 1:08:19.880 And that was? 1:08:20.000 --> 1:08:22.080 You know they've been around. You do have homeless people, 1:08:22.160 --> 1:08:24.559 but you know, the hoboes are looked at as kind 1:08:24.600 --> 1:08:27.160 of lovable people. Now we want to save them all, 1:08:27.320 --> 1:08:28.960 whether they want to save themselves or not. In a 1:08:29.000 --> 1:08:31.639 consimerable number of homeless people actually say lesson, I don't 1:08:31.640 --> 1:08:35.200 want to be housed. I might have a drug problem, sure, 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:39.920 but I don't want to be around other people and 1:08:39.960 --> 1:08:41.600 that may meddle the disorders whatever you have it. But 1:08:41.680 --> 1:08:43.800 it used to be romanticized. It's not today. I guess 1:08:43.800 --> 1:08:45.800 it's my point. So there you go. We got a 1:08:45.840 --> 1:08:47.720 news update coming up in just minutes here on seven 1:08:47.800 --> 1:08:50.880 hundred WW. We are in seven hundred WW Armageddon. Watch 1:08:50.960 --> 1:08:54.519 right now, because tonight a daight o'clock you may want 1:08:54.560 --> 1:08:56.519 to rethink buying a globe. So if you're going to 1:08:56.560 --> 1:08:58.320 physically buy a globe, you may want to rethink that 1:08:58.520 --> 1:09:00.680 the big globe, big globe is very worried right now. 1:09:01.240 --> 1:09:05.479 Anyone have a globe anymore? It'd be easier for Google 1:09:05.680 --> 1:09:07.640 and Apple to redo the maps if we wipe a 1:09:07.720 --> 1:09:10.000 ran off the face of the earth tonight at eight o'clock. 1:09:10.680 --> 1:09:12.120 But I'm worried about the big globe. And if you 1:09:12.160 --> 1:09:14.080 still have a folding map, my got somebody. I'll call 1:09:14.120 --> 1:09:17.200 Triple A. What are they doing over there? I gotta 1:09:17.240 --> 1:09:19.760 be really concerned about this whole thing. Will it be 1:09:19.800 --> 1:09:22.080 wiped out tonight at eight o'clock we'll continue the countdown 1:09:22.160 --> 1:09:24.879 here on the Nation station seven hundred WW Cincinnati. 1:09:25.280 --> 1:09:27.479 Don't want to be an American idiot? 1:09:28.560 --> 1:09:28.880 All right? 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:31.200 You heard the president at eight o'clock tonight, all hell 1:09:31.320 --> 1:09:33.840 is going to break loose? Is it over for a ran? 1:09:33.960 --> 1:09:35.800 He says, if you believe in his word, that's a 1:09:35.840 --> 1:09:38.760 done deal. But we've seen this before, We've heard the 1:09:38.840 --> 1:09:42.080 rhetoric in the last minutes. So maybe the twenty third hour, 1:09:42.439 --> 1:09:44.400 all of a sudden we start backing off a little bit. 1:09:44.439 --> 1:09:46.439 But what's at play here? We got the forty eight 1:09:46.479 --> 1:09:49.400 hour ultimatum, and now eight o'clock tonight is the deadline? 1:09:50.000 --> 1:09:50.880 Is at it? Right here? 1:09:51.200 --> 1:09:52.000 Is it all over? 1:09:52.080 --> 1:09:55.240 As we know it are the worst fears about to 1:09:55.280 --> 1:09:58.040 become realized. He is a and by the way, we're 1:09:58.040 --> 1:10:00.960 at what nine hours now before or the map of 1:10:01.000 --> 1:10:03.439 the Middle East changes, if indeed that is true at 1:10:03.479 --> 1:10:06.960 eight o'clock tonight on that is Abdullah Hayak. He is 1:10:07.000 --> 1:10:09.760 a Middle East analyst at a DC specializing in regional 1:10:09.800 --> 1:10:12.680 security US foreign policy. Welcome back, Abdullah, good morning. 1:10:13.520 --> 1:10:14.360 Thank you for having me. 1:10:14.479 --> 1:10:18.200 Huh, So we hit about thirteen. Well, I want to 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:21.040 get to the game inside. But right now, if you're 1:10:21.080 --> 1:10:24.080 too I don't know if you're too handicapped this Abdullah 1:10:24.360 --> 1:10:27.120 scale of one to ten, ten being total armageddon. Where 1:10:27.160 --> 1:10:28.760 do things stand at eight o'clock tonight? What do you 1:10:28.800 --> 1:10:29.320 think occurs? 1:10:30.720 --> 1:10:30.880 Well? 1:10:30.960 --> 1:10:33.880 I doubt that the Iranians are going to oblige to 1:10:34.000 --> 1:10:35.240 the demands of the president. 1:10:36.160 --> 1:10:39.519 This war has been going for long enough to determine that. 1:10:41.640 --> 1:10:43.519 But I don't think that the president is going to 1:10:43.640 --> 1:10:46.840 retaliate after the deadline either. As you've mentioned before, this 1:10:47.000 --> 1:10:49.440 is not the first time he sets forth the deadline, 1:10:50.200 --> 1:10:53.600 and I just don't know where the progress of the 1:10:53.680 --> 1:10:56.679 war is going to go. There hasn't been a clearly 1:10:56.840 --> 1:11:01.719 stated objective to define this war. There hasn't been any 1:11:03.160 --> 1:11:05.880 you know, determined factor in the war. It's it's all. 1:11:06.360 --> 1:11:08.600 It's a quagmire. So it's really hard to tell, and 1:11:08.840 --> 1:11:11.760 you know there there's no calculation for it. 1:11:11.920 --> 1:11:13.639 Well, the other thing too, If we go in there 1:11:13.680 --> 1:11:16.639 and lay the waste the infrastructure, that means the bridges, 1:11:16.680 --> 1:11:19.200 that means the roads, that means the power plants, it 1:11:19.360 --> 1:11:23.479 means the desalization stations, all those things, don't we lose 1:11:23.560 --> 1:11:26.160 what we need most, and that is the the Iranian 1:11:26.200 --> 1:11:27.920 people to be on our side. We've seen this in 1:11:28.000 --> 1:11:30.439 the past where we go in Okay, regime change, that's great, 1:11:30.640 --> 1:11:32.439 and the people are turned worse than they were with 1:11:32.520 --> 1:11:35.800 the with the regime before them. And we want people 1:11:35.800 --> 1:11:37.160 to be on our side, and I believe they are, 1:11:37.280 --> 1:11:40.560 including our allies there in the Middle East. If we 1:11:40.640 --> 1:11:43.439 go and do this, what happens to that relationship. 1:11:44.120 --> 1:11:47.800 Well, certainly that will happen, because that's the lifeline of 1:11:48.200 --> 1:11:49.240 any society. 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:51.879 You know, those are the basic necessities at a society. 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:56.639 But the Iranian retaliation, in turn, we'll target those same 1:11:56.760 --> 1:12:01.519 infrastructure in the Middle East US allies, and that in 1:12:01.640 --> 1:12:05.479 turn will affect the US relationship that the US has 1:12:05.600 --> 1:12:08.840 with the Arab allies, especially in the Gulf. So it's 1:12:08.920 --> 1:12:14.200 definitely going to be a setback for US Middle Eastern relations. 1:12:14.360 --> 1:12:17.080 Yeah, and we've hit something like thirteen thousand targets in 1:12:17.160 --> 1:12:20.400 five weeks. At what point does that campaign become counterproductive? 1:12:20.439 --> 1:12:21.720 On that point? Are we there yet? 1:12:23.360 --> 1:12:24.040 That's the thing. 1:12:24.880 --> 1:12:28.200 We haven't hit the things that hurt the regime most. 1:12:28.720 --> 1:12:31.760 If we keep hitting the launchers and the factories and 1:12:31.880 --> 1:12:37.200 military infrastructure, that's counterproductive because the Onions can just regroup 1:12:37.280 --> 1:12:40.040 in a few months and a few years and reproduce 1:12:40.080 --> 1:12:43.680 and you know, remanufacture everything they've had so far. 1:12:44.200 --> 1:12:45.720 And it's it's fine because the. 1:12:45.720 --> 1:12:49.600 Technology is there, the leadership is there, the objective is 1:12:49.640 --> 1:12:50.120 still there. 1:12:51.880 --> 1:12:53.519 It's just difficult. 1:12:53.760 --> 1:12:53.960 Yeah. 1:12:54.400 --> 1:12:56.439 The other thing too is Iran controls the straight up 1:12:56.439 --> 1:13:00.120 our moose oil as you know now one fourteen, So oh, 1:13:00.160 --> 1:13:03.040 in that regard, it feels like Iran has the economic 1:13:03.120 --> 1:13:03.800 leverage right now. 1:13:04.920 --> 1:13:06.439 Oh, definitely, definitely not. 1:13:06.600 --> 1:13:09.840 And it's important to remember Scott that not only do 1:13:09.960 --> 1:13:12.680 they have leverage over the Strait of Hormos, which is 1:13:12.760 --> 1:13:16.439 all for the record forty percent of global shipping going 1:13:16.560 --> 1:13:21.000 through there, they also have leverage over another strait, which 1:13:21.080 --> 1:13:23.360 is to the west of the Strait of Hormos called 1:13:23.400 --> 1:13:27.120 the Babyl Mendev Strait, which is we're currently controlled by 1:13:27.160 --> 1:13:30.080 the Houthis in Yemen, and if they go ahead and 1:13:30.200 --> 1:13:34.240 close that, we're looking at the major global energy and 1:13:34.360 --> 1:13:37.479 shipping crisis that's going to affect every corner of the world. 1:13:37.760 --> 1:13:39.479 The problem, of course, is how the hell they get 1:13:39.520 --> 1:13:42.040 the oil out of the Middle East without Iran and 1:13:42.280 --> 1:13:45.240 escase the Hoo'sy's being in play, and there's no work 1:13:45.280 --> 1:13:47.680 aound for that. You know, we talked about pipelines, talking 1:13:47.680 --> 1:13:49.880 about canals and other ways to get that oil out 1:13:49.880 --> 1:13:51.680 of there. There's just there is no way because there's 1:13:51.720 --> 1:13:54.000 so much of it, and the easiest way is through 1:13:54.040 --> 1:13:56.439 that very narrow thirty mile our chow point called the 1:13:56.479 --> 1:13:57.240 Strait of Removes. 1:13:59.200 --> 1:14:00.439 Yeah, yeah, that's that's the thing. 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:05.240 There's already you know, talks and reports and rumors that 1:14:05.320 --> 1:14:09.160 they're thinking of trying to make, you know, a project 1:14:09.439 --> 1:14:12.479 or a pipeline or whatever. But the bottom line is, 1:14:12.640 --> 1:14:16.559 you know, the main getaway for the oil to get 1:14:16.600 --> 1:14:18.720 out of the region is the Strait of Hormoves and 1:14:18.840 --> 1:14:21.439 unless you find the deal to you know, get that 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:24.920 into play. There's not going to be an American victory 1:14:24.960 --> 1:14:27.360 in this war. That's just plain and simple, all right. 1:14:27.439 --> 1:14:30.439 So negotiations a llegible and going on. Pakistan is broken 1:14:30.439 --> 1:14:33.160 in these talks. They're also a nuclear state with complex 1:14:33.240 --> 1:14:35.680 ties to both sides, and you got a factor what's 1:14:35.720 --> 1:14:38.840 their agenda here? And not only that, are these talks 1:14:38.880 --> 1:14:42.160 actually happening because the Iranians say no, Trump says yes, 1:14:42.560 --> 1:14:45.080 Pakistan's in the middle, and who knows where their interests lie. 1:14:46.640 --> 1:14:50.840 Well, the Pakistanis are very interesting in this and there's 1:14:50.880 --> 1:14:52.360 a benefit for both sides. 1:14:52.840 --> 1:14:53.000 Now. 1:14:53.040 --> 1:14:55.439 The Pakistanis are getting back in the game with the 1:14:55.600 --> 1:14:59.639 US because they want to reprimand their relationship with the US, 1:15:00.439 --> 1:15:03.599 especially in light of tensions with India, because they see 1:15:03.680 --> 1:15:06.759 that the Indian American relationship is getting stronger. 1:15:06.800 --> 1:15:09.120 They want to catch up the Americans. 1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:11.920 They want to pull the Pakistanis back in because they 1:15:11.960 --> 1:15:14.679 don't want the Pakistanis to be full in bed with China, 1:15:15.080 --> 1:15:17.080 because they've been in bed with China for the past 1:15:17.479 --> 1:15:19.200 few years on a very strong level. 1:15:19.240 --> 1:15:21.360 So there's a benefit on both sides. 1:15:22.720 --> 1:15:26.880 When it comes up Dullah to Trump claiming that we've 1:15:26.960 --> 1:15:29.599 achieved regime change. I keep seeing that headline all morning 1:15:29.640 --> 1:15:33.479 today that they're dealing they're smarter, thus less radical leadership 1:15:33.520 --> 1:15:36.920 in Iran? Is that true? And from a security standpoint, 1:15:37.240 --> 1:15:40.600 does it change the behavior here on the part of Iran. 1:15:41.800 --> 1:15:46.000 Well, you know, to his perspective, yeah, there has been 1:15:46.080 --> 1:15:49.040 regime change because they've killed the whole leadership apparatus. We 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:52.880 can say that, but the regime in its essence still remains. Now, 1:15:53.000 --> 1:15:56.680 is it going to be less radical? Absolutely not. If 1:15:56.920 --> 1:15:59.360 one thing's taught been taught in the Middle East, that 1:15:59.560 --> 1:16:03.840 is that when one leader is assassinated, when one, you know, 1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:06.439 regime is taken out, and still the essence of the 1:16:06.520 --> 1:16:09.320 regime is there, the successor is always going to be 1:16:09.439 --> 1:16:11.600 more radical. There are successor is always going to be 1:16:12.240 --> 1:16:16.519 more determined to get back at the US or Israel 1:16:16.720 --> 1:16:19.320 or whoever. So I don't think we're going to see, 1:16:20.040 --> 1:16:23.280 you know, an Iranian supreme leader right now calling for 1:16:23.960 --> 1:16:27.840 peace between himself and the Iran and the Israel or 1:16:28.080 --> 1:16:31.800 the US. Want to see a much more determined leader 1:16:31.880 --> 1:16:34.560 who wants to accelerate the nuclear program. 1:16:34.800 --> 1:16:38.240 Especially especially Abdullah, when that person is the son of 1:16:38.280 --> 1:16:41.879 the guy he just killed exactly exactly. 1:16:41.920 --> 1:16:43.840 That's even all the more reason. 1:16:44.120 --> 1:16:45.160 It does make a lot of sense. 1:16:45.280 --> 1:16:45.559 Right now. 1:16:45.760 --> 1:16:48.280 Abdullah Hyak is here. He is a Middle East analyst, 1:16:49.000 --> 1:16:51.680 regional security expert in US foreign policy expert. Down what 1:16:51.800 --> 1:16:54.400 the what's going to happen tonight at eight o'clock? God 1:16:54.520 --> 1:16:56.439 only knows only Trump. I don't know if Trump knows 1:16:56.479 --> 1:16:58.000 at this point. I think he's waiting to see what 1:16:58.120 --> 1:17:00.960 happens if someone capitulates, is someone links what do you 1:17:01.040 --> 1:17:03.599 think would be enough? Because because the president is about 1:17:03.640 --> 1:17:07.040 getting some cover here, what moves could I ran make 1:17:07.160 --> 1:17:09.559 in the next roughly nine hours here, less than nine 1:17:09.600 --> 1:17:12.880 hours now, I doullah that would satisfy him and go, okay, fine, 1:17:12.920 --> 1:17:14.920 we'll not do what we're said we're going to do 1:17:14.920 --> 1:17:16.800 at eight o'clock tonight. We'll give you, I don't know, 1:17:17.200 --> 1:17:20.599 a fifteen thirty forty five day break until you come 1:17:20.680 --> 1:17:23.120 up to speed here. But what could be given up 1:17:23.160 --> 1:17:26.040 by the Iranians that will allow us to wiggle out 1:17:26.040 --> 1:17:26.599 of the situation. 1:17:28.640 --> 1:17:31.599 It's it's very hard to tell you. The President's mind 1:17:31.680 --> 1:17:35.799 has been all over the place. It's it's really difficult. 1:17:35.840 --> 1:17:37.639 But I would say he would be able to deliver 1:17:37.760 --> 1:17:40.160 a victory by saying, oh, I opened the strait of home. 1:17:40.320 --> 1:17:43.280 Was I saved global shipping? I saved the oil business, 1:17:43.960 --> 1:17:46.720 and that would be in his favor. But another thing 1:17:46.800 --> 1:17:50.680 would be you know that Iran has subjugated to the 1:17:50.760 --> 1:17:53.080 demands of the US in terms of, you know, limiting 1:17:53.200 --> 1:17:57.760 itsmissal or drone program, stop supporting the proxies, and you know, 1:17:58.080 --> 1:18:00.200 set back in its still clear program, which is all, 1:18:00.640 --> 1:18:02.200 by the way, very unlikely. 1:18:02.439 --> 1:18:04.240 Is Iram going to give that territory up? 1:18:04.280 --> 1:18:04.400 Though? 1:18:04.439 --> 1:18:06.240 What can they give up and save face? 1:18:07.640 --> 1:18:11.719 Well, in any country is mentality. Nobody gives up anything, 1:18:11.800 --> 1:18:14.919 you know, especially the Iranians. We're forgetting a main factory 1:18:15.200 --> 1:18:20.160 that we're thinking that these guys are Western based player. 1:18:20.760 --> 1:18:23.560 These guys are from the East. They don't surrender like 1:18:23.720 --> 1:18:26.800 they do in World War One World War two. These 1:18:26.840 --> 1:18:29.439 guys they either fight to the victory or they die. 1:18:30.040 --> 1:18:33.960 That's the Eastern mentality. So they're not going to go 1:18:34.040 --> 1:18:36.400 ahead and wait to be on a desk to sign 1:18:36.439 --> 1:18:39.160 an agreement with world leaders. They're going to want to 1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:40.400 take it out in the battlefield. 1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:43.240 Now fight for thousands of years. This is we're only 1:18:43.240 --> 1:18:44.840 two hundred and fifty years old. They've been doing this 1:18:44.920 --> 1:18:46.000 for thousands of years. 1:18:46.960 --> 1:18:49.960 Exactly, and I think that's the biggest miscalculation we had. 1:18:50.439 --> 1:18:52.559 And it seems like we repeat a lot of those mistakes. 1:18:53.120 --> 1:18:57.640 Abdullah all right, so Trump floated, Okay, we're going to 1:18:57.680 --> 1:18:59.280 control the straight of our most you just kind of 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:01.040 talked about that and charge tolls. 1:19:02.120 --> 1:19:02.759 Is that even. 1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:06.280 Feasible at this point without without boots on the ground there, 1:19:06.320 --> 1:19:08.599 How all of a sudden we're the one leving the tolls. 1:19:09.200 --> 1:19:09.519 How does that? 1:19:09.960 --> 1:19:12.400 How does that even ratic? Are logical? 1:19:12.439 --> 1:19:16.120 I guess well it's not, because you know, the even 1:19:16.200 --> 1:19:18.280 the Iranians, they don't have boots on the ground. What 1:19:18.479 --> 1:19:22.040 happens is that the Iranians control a set of islands 1:19:22.640 --> 1:19:25.640 in the Strait, and they have their launchers there and 1:19:25.840 --> 1:19:27.880 they can set their minds from there, and. 1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:29.920 Whatever ship they don't like, they just went it. 1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:33.320 But the thing with the US is we don't have 1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:41.200 the enough capabilities to go ahead and cap those IRGC 1:19:41.439 --> 1:19:45.759 launching sites and to deter any interception of a mine 1:19:45.840 --> 1:19:49.080 or whatever, because it's so intricate and. 1:19:49.160 --> 1:19:51.519 So detailed, you just can't find them. 1:19:51.960 --> 1:19:54.600 So what the US is probably going to do is 1:19:54.680 --> 1:19:58.479 it's going to storm with you know, special operations, Navy Seals, 1:19:58.600 --> 1:20:01.160 Delta Force, in my opinion, to go in and take 1:20:01.320 --> 1:20:04.040 a few of these islands that are really you know, 1:20:04.520 --> 1:20:06.479 the tip of the spear for the Audians in this 1:20:06.600 --> 1:20:09.920 strategy and take control of them and then they'll set 1:20:10.000 --> 1:20:10.360 the toll. 1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:12.439 It'll be a quick, fast operation. 1:20:12.680 --> 1:20:16.160 But you know, there's no side that that's being cooked 1:20:16.240 --> 1:20:19.160 other than the fact that there's more US troops and 1:20:19.360 --> 1:20:22.400 assets and equipment being repositioned to the region. 1:20:22.600 --> 1:20:26.200 He's a Middle East analyst specializing in regional security and 1:20:26.360 --> 1:20:28.679 US foreign policies based out of DC. It's Abdulla Hyak 1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:31.439 on Scott's Loan Show this morning. I'm seven hundred wow 1:20:31.640 --> 1:20:36.000 inside nine hours now till Trump's ultimatum of basically wiping 1:20:36.040 --> 1:20:38.479 out an entire civilization. Was his last post on True 1:20:38.560 --> 1:20:42.120 Social last night. Oil Now, I believe it above one 1:20:42.280 --> 1:20:44.439 sixteen to a barrel of price of oil continues to 1:20:44.520 --> 1:20:47.240 go up. One of the things we attacked overnight to 1:20:47.320 --> 1:20:49.519 add to this is something called carg Island, which is 1:20:49.920 --> 1:20:52.599 it's kind of farther up from the Strait itself. It's 1:20:52.640 --> 1:20:55.479 part of it, but it's an important military and the 1:20:55.560 --> 1:20:58.960 oil installation there. What were the significance of that target. 1:21:01.680 --> 1:21:05.160 Well, that target is you know, both a gold mine 1:21:05.200 --> 1:21:06.240 and a land mine. 1:21:06.320 --> 1:21:10.880 Let's say harg Island is accounting for about ninety percent 1:21:11.000 --> 1:21:15.120 of all Iranian exports. It is, you know, the logistical 1:21:15.240 --> 1:21:19.439 hub for Iranian shipping. But yet again it's very well armed, 1:21:19.479 --> 1:21:22.400 it's very well fortified, and you know, it's a very 1:21:22.479 --> 1:21:25.800 big center of Iranian pride. If we're going to go 1:21:25.880 --> 1:21:28.400 ahead and take it, it has nothing to do with 1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:30.920 opening the Strait of Hormones because as you mentioned, it's 1:21:30.960 --> 1:21:33.799 about three hundred miles away from the Strait of Hormones. 1:21:34.200 --> 1:21:36.280 So what it's going to be is about crippling the 1:21:36.360 --> 1:21:39.800 Iranian economy. It's about choke holding the Iranians by the 1:21:39.880 --> 1:21:44.200 throat and you know, suffocating them economically and financing. So 1:21:44.840 --> 1:21:46.880 is it going to be possible that they we're going 1:21:47.000 --> 1:21:51.160 to do it. I think possibly yes, because unless they 1:21:51.280 --> 1:21:53.840 opened the Strait, which is a major concern for us, 1:21:54.920 --> 1:21:57.880 We're gonna go ahead and you know, take out the 1:21:58.439 --> 1:22:00.920 Harg Island for them because that's a mere conservative because 1:22:00.920 --> 1:22:02.400 that's one of the last lifelines they have. 1:22:04.600 --> 1:22:06.560 How much does that hurt their economy. They'll consider the 1:22:06.640 --> 1:22:08.840 fact that the Chinese are still getting their oil from Iran. 1:22:10.560 --> 1:22:13.840 Well, the Chinese, true, they get their oil from Iran, 1:22:13.920 --> 1:22:17.920 but like Iranian oil only accounts for like about ten 1:22:18.000 --> 1:22:22.960 to fifteen percent of all Chinese oil leads, whereas the Iranians, 1:22:23.680 --> 1:22:28.840 they're oil experts, exports, it's all forty five percent going to. 1:22:30.360 --> 1:22:32.720 China. So it's got to hurt Iran more than it's 1:22:32.760 --> 1:22:35.120 got to hurt China because China doesn't really depend that 1:22:35.240 --> 1:22:35.800 much on them. 1:22:37.000 --> 1:22:40.400 The Iranians, however, you know, they they they're going to 1:22:40.520 --> 1:22:44.520 realize that this is despite that low percentage of dependency 1:22:44.600 --> 1:22:47.040 by the Chinese on their oil, it's still got to 1:22:47.120 --> 1:22:51.040 set back relations with Asia as a whole because it 1:22:51.120 --> 1:22:52.960 doesn't just go to China. It goes to India, it 1:22:53.080 --> 1:22:57.080 goes to Korea, it goes to you know, the Southeast 1:22:57.120 --> 1:23:00.400 Asia countries a few So it's going to affect global 1:23:00.439 --> 1:23:03.439 economy and that's going to see Iran really isn't a 1:23:03.560 --> 1:23:07.600 reliable partner to deal business with because they're willing to, 1:23:07.680 --> 1:23:10.160 you know, put their own lives on the line and 1:23:10.439 --> 1:23:14.519 the lives of their own people and not depend the 1:23:14.640 --> 1:23:16.880 older shipping and all that, so why should they deal 1:23:16.920 --> 1:23:17.400 business with this? 1:23:17.439 --> 1:23:19.120 So it's going to be a setback for Iran, and 1:23:19.200 --> 1:23:20.519 I don't know what the endgame is. 1:23:21.080 --> 1:23:24.479 What role is there still for our allies here. Obviously 1:23:24.720 --> 1:23:26.599 most of the rest of that region, the Middle East 1:23:26.640 --> 1:23:28.960 doesn't want this going on, doesn't want a Ran doing 1:23:29.000 --> 1:23:31.120 what they're doing, certainly, and then of course us being 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:33.040 a war with them. They want to sit back and 1:23:33.080 --> 1:23:36.519 continue to make their money unabated. And it seems like 1:23:36.680 --> 1:23:39.560 We've got a tremendous amount of goodwill built up in 1:23:39.640 --> 1:23:41.880 the Middle East. It would that be squandered if we 1:23:41.960 --> 1:23:43.639 did with Trump threatened snide at eight o'clock. 1:23:45.479 --> 1:23:51.080 Well, if the strike does proceed and the retaliation against 1:23:51.200 --> 1:23:55.760 the Allies and the region comes into reality, as I 1:23:56.120 --> 1:23:59.479 expect it would, yeah, it would affect the relationship with 1:23:59.560 --> 1:24:02.920 the guilt because the Golf are just sitting there and 1:24:03.040 --> 1:24:05.800 they haven't participated in this war what not one bit, 1:24:06.600 --> 1:24:09.760 and they're seeing that there's drones and missiles flying more 1:24:09.840 --> 1:24:12.679 into them than it is flying into Israel. For the record, 1:24:12.800 --> 1:24:16.719 since the war started, eighty seven percent of all Iranian 1:24:16.840 --> 1:24:20.759 launches have been targeted at the Gulf versus thirteen to Israel. 1:24:21.280 --> 1:24:24.559 So they're not gonna want to see this accelerate even 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:27.400 more because they're not even in the war yet, and 1:24:27.479 --> 1:24:29.880 they know that even if they are forced into the war, 1:24:30.120 --> 1:24:33.680 the level of retaliation and launches against them are going 1:24:33.720 --> 1:24:36.200 to be even more higher. And they're going to see 1:24:36.240 --> 1:24:38.559 that the US really doesn't care about them because it's 1:24:38.600 --> 1:24:41.280 willing to put them in the line of fire for 1:24:41.360 --> 1:24:43.960 its own objective without really caring for us. 1:24:44.360 --> 1:24:47.759 Well, we Sawdbai under siege from drones, right, and that's 1:24:47.840 --> 1:24:50.920 part of that psychological warfare operation. You know, you're not 1:24:51.000 --> 1:24:54.920 wiping out entire buildings or entire complexes, but hell, if 1:24:54.960 --> 1:24:56.880 you can hit Dubai, you can hit pretty much anything 1:24:56.920 --> 1:24:57.240 else there. 1:24:58.640 --> 1:25:01.320 Yeah, and Devi is getting it hit hard the most. 1:25:01.400 --> 1:25:05.040 You know, device is getting one over a one billion 1:25:05.160 --> 1:25:11.520 dollar bill per day, Scott. They have hotel cancelations, flight cancelations, 1:25:12.680 --> 1:25:16.439 expats are leaving, rent isn't being paid, all the laborers 1:25:16.479 --> 1:25:20.959 are quitting their jobs. It's it's an economic training basically, 1:25:21.479 --> 1:25:24.000 and that's for the whole golf right now. So for 1:25:24.320 --> 1:25:27.479 for the Marathis in particular, which are getting hit hard 1:25:27.560 --> 1:25:30.200 the most. I think the Iranians want to go ahead 1:25:30.240 --> 1:25:33.479 and break the legend of the United albumriates that you 1:25:33.560 --> 1:25:36.400 know that it's a safe haven, that it's an investment haven, 1:25:36.560 --> 1:25:38.240 that you know expats can. 1:25:38.200 --> 1:25:39.360 Go ahead and have a new life. 1:25:39.680 --> 1:25:43.000 They're just jealous because right across the Gulf, the Golf 1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:47.639 have managed to transform a golf story into a success story, right, 1:25:47.760 --> 1:25:49.840 and they hate it that they've managed to do it 1:25:49.920 --> 1:25:53.920 successfully and they and they themselves, the Iranians failed much better, 1:25:54.040 --> 1:25:55.160 just you know, getting back at. 1:25:55.160 --> 1:25:57.320 Right much model level. That's why the Live Golf took 1:25:57.600 --> 1:25:59.439 They they you know, they've said a whale careful lose 1:25:59.479 --> 1:26:01.680 money for the next fifty years. We want to have 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:05.120 that entertainment presence. We want to be an influencer in 1:26:05.200 --> 1:26:07.559 that regard with golf of all things. And this sets 1:26:07.560 --> 1:26:09.320 that whole thing back is. Look, it's very violent to 1:26:09.360 --> 1:26:11.000 live over there, to be over there anyway, and this 1:26:11.120 --> 1:26:13.559 is why all the tourist money's pulling out and other 1:26:13.680 --> 1:26:16.200 things as well. So as a solution, there are the 1:26:16.240 --> 1:26:18.200 other Gulf states, the ones that can figure out what 1:26:18.320 --> 1:26:19.719 to do between now at eight o'clock. 1:26:21.520 --> 1:26:24.320 No, no, the golf, the Golf's got to hold it 1:26:24.400 --> 1:26:25.160 out entirely. 1:26:25.320 --> 1:26:27.720 They know that the risks of interfering in the war 1:26:27.760 --> 1:26:30.640 are just tremendous given the fact that they're getting a 1:26:30.720 --> 1:26:32.479 hit without being in the war. 1:26:32.600 --> 1:26:34.360 So they're not going to risk it more. 1:26:34.400 --> 1:26:37.160 They're not going to risk more volleys of drones and 1:26:37.240 --> 1:26:39.519 missiles even more than what it is like now. What 1:26:39.600 --> 1:26:42.400 they're probably gonna do is they've got to pressure the US, 1:26:42.560 --> 1:26:45.760 you know, to really finish the job quickly and that 1:26:45.880 --> 1:26:46.960 they can go all go home. 1:26:47.080 --> 1:26:48.160 That's probably what's gonna happen. 1:26:48.200 --> 1:26:50.200 I asked, most people are handicapped this. The thing is, 1:26:50.280 --> 1:26:52.800 no one knows except maybe President Trump. What's going to 1:26:52.840 --> 1:26:55.839 happen at eight o'clock tonight, if anything, He's Abdulla Hyaki 1:26:56.000 --> 1:26:58.960 is based in the DC and Jones to show this 1:26:59.080 --> 1:27:01.160 morning on the Big Ones one hundred WW is our 1:27:01.160 --> 1:27:04.040 Middle East analysts and he specializes in regional security, US 1:27:04.080 --> 1:27:07.920 foreign policy. We'll see what happens tonight after eight o'clock. Abdullah, 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:10.800 all the best. We'll check in again soon, thank you. 1:27:10.880 --> 1:27:12.240 I look forward to our next conversation. 1:27:12.360 --> 1:27:13.679 All the best. We got to get a news update 1:27:13.720 --> 1:27:16.400 and we'll reset this entire topic, of course, and then 1:27:16.800 --> 1:27:19.240 how this is influencing the markets of course not good today. 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:21.280 I think the dow S and p et cetera. I 1:27:21.320 --> 1:27:23.400 saw they were off like three three point fifty something 1:27:23.520 --> 1:27:25.320 like that. It's going to get worse for it. It's 1:27:25.360 --> 1:27:27.960 better He puts all this in the financial perspective. Next 1:27:28.040 --> 1:27:29.679 on the show on seven hundred. 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:33.360 WLW time to talk about money, how to make it, 1:27:33.760 --> 1:27:36.679 how to keep it, and how to keep others off 1:27:36.800 --> 1:27:43.799 your stash. This is all worth advice with Andy Shaeffer. 1:27:44.160 --> 1:27:46.479 Well, today's a big day, big day for everyone here 1:27:46.560 --> 1:27:48.720 in the world because eight o'clock tonight it's go time, 1:27:48.760 --> 1:27:50.960 says President Trump. Four hours at bombing. So eight to 1:27:51.040 --> 1:27:53.720 midnight is the slot he's got it scheduled. By the way, 1:27:53.840 --> 1:27:55.639 get a white ran off the face of the earth, 1:27:55.680 --> 1:27:57.960 or so, he says Andy Shaeffer. To put this in 1:27:58.120 --> 1:28:01.600 financial perspective, I'm sure the markets you act positively to that. 1:28:01.760 --> 1:28:04.720 What they I you know, the I may buy I 1:28:05.520 --> 1:28:08.040 move some positions to Google because you know it's gonna 1:28:08.479 --> 1:28:10.519 big Globe is really going to take the hit here, 1:28:10.600 --> 1:28:13.120 the Globe companies and map makers, the old school map 1:28:13.200 --> 1:28:15.120 makers out there. It's going to be troubling if Iran 1:28:15.200 --> 1:28:17.840 gets wiped off the face of the Earth, Google Maps, 1:28:17.880 --> 1:28:19.360 get a little bit of code there, no problem. But 1:28:19.439 --> 1:28:21.920 the Globe Company, the big globe manufacturers, you know that 1:28:22.000 --> 1:28:24.559 big one you got in your office there, Andy, Now 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:26.200 you're going to have to get a new globe. What 1:28:26.320 --> 1:28:26.680 about that? 1:28:27.280 --> 1:28:29.800 Well, when I was little, I had this globe from 1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:35.960 my grandmother that actually had the imperialist countries in Africa, wow, 1:28:36.400 --> 1:28:38.280 years ago. And so I've always been a big fan 1:28:38.320 --> 1:28:40.519 of maps. But you know, there's a there's a lot 1:28:40.600 --> 1:28:43.639 of fear right now from investors to try to decipher, 1:28:44.200 --> 1:28:46.479 you know, what's going to happen. You know, within the 1:28:46.600 --> 1:28:49.960 next handful of hours. Today, you know, essentially three ports 1:28:49.960 --> 1:28:54.080 are is that we struck Carga Island uh in Iran, 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:56.839 which is just off the West Bank in the Persian 1:28:56.920 --> 1:28:59.920 Gulf of Iran. And the the interesting thing about Cargo 1:29:00.040 --> 1:29:04.360 Island is ninety percent of their crude oil flows through that. Now, 1:29:04.479 --> 1:29:08.479 we hit military targets there last month, and it left 1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:09.920 the crude infrastructure intact. 1:29:10.040 --> 1:29:11.960 Now, if we were to seize. 1:29:11.680 --> 1:29:15.240 The loading terminals, the pipelines, the storage tanks, and carg 1:29:15.720 --> 1:29:19.720 that would suggest a significant escalation in the conflict. Furthermore, 1:29:20.240 --> 1:29:23.080 Donald Trump also said today that Hey, eight o'clock tonight, 1:29:23.520 --> 1:29:24.839 all hell's breaking loose. 1:29:24.760 --> 1:29:26.960 So let me jump in there. So eight o'clock tonight, 1:29:27.040 --> 1:29:29.320 let's say he goes, he goes all hell, he's gonna 1:29:29.439 --> 1:29:31.800 leash hell right, like the movie says, I don't know 1:29:31.840 --> 1:29:34.679 if I totally buy it, because it's Trump and he's 1:29:34.720 --> 1:29:36.600 waffled on this for so long. We don't know what 1:29:36.720 --> 1:29:38.680 the guy's thinking. And it seems like it's one minute night. 1:29:38.720 --> 1:29:40.800 So let's say, Okay, that's it. Fine, you're not gonna 1:29:40.800 --> 1:29:43.400 show me up, I'll show you. Takes out all the infrastructure, 1:29:43.439 --> 1:29:46.320 the bridge is, desalination plants, all the stuff we talked about. 1:29:46.720 --> 1:29:50.800 What happens market wise, well, I think that we. 1:29:50.840 --> 1:29:54.720 Could probably see a significant decline because that would even 1:29:54.840 --> 1:29:58.760 impact the transport of oil even more. And not only that, 1:29:59.400 --> 1:30:02.280 think about the costs that would go into rebuilding Iran. 1:30:02.560 --> 1:30:04.920 It's likely that we would have a big stake in 1:30:05.080 --> 1:30:07.759 that rebuilding, and it could take thirty to fifty years 1:30:08.160 --> 1:30:10.400 to get that infrastructure back to speed, so that could 1:30:10.439 --> 1:30:12.160 have an impact on the economy as well. But to 1:30:12.240 --> 1:30:15.519 your point, you know, Donald Trump has always used a 1:30:15.640 --> 1:30:18.680 negotiating tactic called pacing and leading. He will threaten the 1:30:18.760 --> 1:30:21.280 worst and usually come back to something that is reasonable. 1:30:21.600 --> 1:30:24.439 So there's a good chance that he might, you know, 1:30:24.600 --> 1:30:28.000 put a pause on the eight o'clock deadline tonight if 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:31.519 he feels like there's some progress with the parliamentary leaders 1:30:31.560 --> 1:30:34.960 of Iran. It's interesting with his speech that he had yesterday. 1:30:34.960 --> 1:30:37.040 I read a little bit about it, and he said 1:30:37.080 --> 1:30:38.800 at one point they felt like they had a deal 1:30:38.880 --> 1:30:41.000 in place with Iran, and they waffled on it and 1:30:41.600 --> 1:30:43.400 you know, basically took it off the table. And so 1:30:43.960 --> 1:30:46.800 I think he's running out of patients. In addition to that, 1:30:47.000 --> 1:30:49.679 we're starting to see oil prices creep up to somewhere 1:30:49.720 --> 1:30:53.320 around one hundred and fifteen dollars per barrel. The time 1:30:53.439 --> 1:30:55.960 is running out on this conflict. If we continue to 1:30:56.040 --> 1:30:59.720 see prices go higher as far as the price of 1:30:59.720 --> 1:31:01.880 oil was concerned, and we start to reach over one 1:31:01.920 --> 1:31:03.960 hundred and twenty five dollars per barrel, that can have 1:31:04.000 --> 1:31:07.439 a significant impact on our economy. And so investors right 1:31:07.479 --> 1:31:09.680 now are looking at and saying, you know, is there 1:31:09.720 --> 1:31:11.320 a chance that we can get a deal done. I 1:31:11.360 --> 1:31:14.000 think Donald Trump realizes that we have to this has 1:31:14.080 --> 1:31:17.240 to come to some type of capitulation, you know, immediately 1:31:17.400 --> 1:31:19.280 one way or the other so that we can start 1:31:19.360 --> 1:31:21.559 to move forward. And so today's going to be an 1:31:21.600 --> 1:31:23.479 interesting day. I'm going to keep my eye on the 1:31:23.560 --> 1:31:26.240 news because things, you know, have been changing hourly and 1:31:26.439 --> 1:31:28.200 so there is a lot of concern out there. And 1:31:28.240 --> 1:31:29.640 that's why you likely you are going to see the 1:31:29.720 --> 1:31:31.800 markets fall today because of the fear. 1:31:32.320 --> 1:31:35.519 Yeah, that makes sense. Eight o'clock deadline tonight deal or 1:31:35.640 --> 1:31:37.400 a four hour blitz. It's going to blow everything up 1:31:37.439 --> 1:31:39.479 in Iran right now and bamba back to the Stone Age. 1:31:39.479 --> 1:31:41.439 This is what President Trump has said. Rebuilding's going to 1:31:41.479 --> 1:31:43.280 take like one hundred years. There's an issue of war 1:31:43.360 --> 1:31:45.680 crimes in there, and they'll move forward with that. But 1:31:46.280 --> 1:31:48.759 you know Iran, the revolutionary they said, look, the restraint 1:31:48.840 --> 1:31:50.760 is order. Now we're going to invade other countries. We're 1:31:50.760 --> 1:31:52.920 going to disrupt the original oil and gas supplies for 1:31:53.080 --> 1:31:56.040 years and years to come with acts of sabotage and 1:31:56.080 --> 1:31:59.240 everything else, and our soldiers will spill across the region. 1:31:59.720 --> 1:32:02.400 If if any of this happens tonight at eight o'clock 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:05.560 or beyond, that also has a long term effect on 1:32:05.600 --> 1:32:05.960 the markets. 1:32:06.000 --> 1:32:07.680 I would think yeah, and I think that would be 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:10.120 a miscalculation on Iran's part. You know, you're starting to 1:32:10.160 --> 1:32:13.120 see the other countries near the Persian Gulf that have 1:32:13.280 --> 1:32:16.719 been pretty significant allies with us and been vocal about 1:32:16.760 --> 1:32:19.160 it too in the past. You know, they may have quietly, 1:32:20.320 --> 1:32:22.400 you know, supported the moves that we've made over there, 1:32:22.439 --> 1:32:24.640 but I think the whole region understands that Iran is 1:32:24.680 --> 1:32:27.760 the primary destabilizing factor over there. And you know, whether 1:32:27.840 --> 1:32:30.840 it's UAE or whether it's Saudi Arabia, they have significant 1:32:30.880 --> 1:32:34.599 forces as well. You know, the missiles that the long 1:32:34.680 --> 1:32:37.000 range missiles that i RAN have are starting to dwindle. 1:32:37.080 --> 1:32:39.840 They probably have about half the amount that they had 1:32:39.920 --> 1:32:42.200 at the beginning of the conflict. So I think they're 1:32:42.280 --> 1:32:45.360 running out of straws or running out of ideas. And 1:32:45.479 --> 1:32:48.000 I think at some point, you know, maybe tonight, that 1:32:48.080 --> 1:32:51.280 we're going to see some type of you know, action 1:32:51.439 --> 1:32:52.280 that's going to wrap all. 1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:53.240 This up one way or the other. 1:32:53.320 --> 1:32:55.799 Because all these other countries outside, maybe a couple outside 1:32:55.800 --> 1:32:58.640 with Iran on this thing, they just they want to 1:32:58.640 --> 1:33:00.439 get back to making money, I mean, right, but but 1:33:00.520 --> 1:33:02.120 they are right now right with the cost of oil, 1:33:02.160 --> 1:33:04.680 word is, they're making more Saudi Arabis pull them in 1:33:04.800 --> 1:33:07.759 serious money. So they benefit by the strife, don't. 1:33:07.600 --> 1:33:09.200 They to some degree. 1:33:09.280 --> 1:33:11.120 But you also have to understand if you can't deliver 1:33:11.200 --> 1:33:13.360 that oil and people can't buy it. You know, Fortunately, 1:33:13.439 --> 1:33:15.840 here in the United States, we've ramped up our oil 1:33:15.920 --> 1:33:20.160 productions significantly six since nineteen eighty. You know, we used 1:33:20.200 --> 1:33:22.920 to produce maybe five billion barrels a day. We're now 1:33:23.120 --> 1:33:25.760 close to fifteen billion barrels today. And we're actually a 1:33:25.920 --> 1:33:29.120 net exporter of energy now as opposed to a net importer. 1:33:29.560 --> 1:33:32.160 And so while it does hurt us economically, it's hurting 1:33:32.200 --> 1:33:37.080 a lot of other nations more significantly, including China, including Russia. 1:33:38.200 --> 1:33:40.519 And so you know, everybody has a stake in this. 1:33:40.680 --> 1:33:43.240 You know, we are a global society, and I think 1:33:43.320 --> 1:33:47.320 that most of the other nations understand what our stance 1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:50.519 is here, and I think we have largely the support 1:33:50.600 --> 1:33:51.679 of the countries in that area. 1:33:51.880 --> 1:33:54.400 Here's another thing, Andy Shaffer, I think most people grasp, 1:33:54.520 --> 1:33:56.160 and it's a hard concept because you know, you go 1:33:56.200 --> 1:33:57.840 to the gas station, you put gas in your car, 1:33:57.960 --> 1:34:01.679 whatever cant of oil, whatever, But all the oil goes 1:34:01.760 --> 1:34:04.400 into a global supply. All that It's like it's like 1:34:04.920 --> 1:34:07.760 a hairy buffalo party. Everybody brings a bottle of percent in. 1:34:08.000 --> 1:34:10.599 It's all the same gas. But you know, largely it's 1:34:10.680 --> 1:34:13.639 kind of of course, there's different types of crude light, suee, crewed, 1:34:13.680 --> 1:34:16.360 et cetera, et cetera. One may just go, is is 1:34:16.400 --> 1:34:18.760 this the beginning? Where can we just live off our 1:34:18.800 --> 1:34:20.800 own oil? We don't have to import anything. Can we 1:34:20.960 --> 1:34:24.560 just turned quit participating in the global market and be isolationists? 1:34:24.560 --> 1:34:25.800 Who comes to our energy supply? 1:34:26.360 --> 1:34:26.400 No? 1:34:26.800 --> 1:34:29.200 No, we're worked decades away from being able to do 1:34:29.360 --> 1:34:29.840 something like that. 1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:32.920 And the largely it has to do with the fact that, yes, 1:34:33.000 --> 1:34:35.479 we have a decent supply, but we haven't really tapped it. 1:34:35.560 --> 1:34:38.599 I mean, we have just really discovered the permium basin 1:34:39.520 --> 1:34:43.320 in recent history. Now it does seem based on some investigation, 1:34:43.479 --> 1:34:45.759 that that could be one of the biggest oil reserves 1:34:45.800 --> 1:34:48.160 in the world. But you also have to refine that oil, 1:34:48.439 --> 1:34:50.360 and we need the help of other nations to be 1:34:50.439 --> 1:34:52.040 able to refine that oil so that it can be 1:34:52.160 --> 1:34:54.880 used for everyday life. So no, we're all tied to this. 1:34:55.400 --> 1:34:59.560 We don't have the ability to be isolationists and just 1:34:59.720 --> 1:35:01.599 use our their own energy. And I don't think that's 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:03.519 what anybody wants. I don't think that's what the Trump 1:35:03.560 --> 1:35:06.280 administration wants. I don't think that's good for the economy. 1:35:06.360 --> 1:35:08.000 And I think that we do want to get along 1:35:08.040 --> 1:35:10.840 with our neighbors and trade is important, and so you know, 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:11.960 we're all tied together on this. 1:35:12.320 --> 1:35:14.120 Yeah, And I think it's because of that some point 1:35:14.280 --> 1:35:16.720 the other nations in the Middle East get together, and 1:35:16.920 --> 1:35:18.639 this could be a turning point in many ways where 1:35:18.640 --> 1:35:21.960 they're like, listen, Iran's really screwing this thing up, that 1:35:22.080 --> 1:35:24.880 they're the outlier here. We got to we got to 1:35:24.920 --> 1:35:26.800 do something about that. And maybe the United States, says 1:35:26.840 --> 1:35:30.040 our beckoning, but again, we're getting another messy war situation. 1:35:30.600 --> 1:35:32.280 I don't know how you do this without boots on 1:35:32.360 --> 1:35:34.760 the ground at some point. If this is about getting 1:35:34.760 --> 1:35:36.120 the nukes out of there, you're going to have to 1:35:36.200 --> 1:35:38.599 do that. If it's about protecting the oil supply, you're 1:35:38.640 --> 1:35:41.439 going to need boots on the ground. This is something 1:35:41.479 --> 1:35:43.519 that's been going on for a long long time, certainly 1:35:43.560 --> 1:35:45.920 before Trump got here. He wants to end it. I 1:35:45.960 --> 1:35:47.439 don't know what the likelihood of that is, though. 1:35:48.479 --> 1:35:51.040 Yeah, I do think that the Trump administration feels right 1:35:51.080 --> 1:35:53.559 now though, that they've eliminated a lot of the leadership 1:35:53.640 --> 1:35:56.400 that poses the major threat. He has communicated that he 1:35:56.479 --> 1:35:58.960 feels like the leadership that is in place is more moderate. 1:35:59.280 --> 1:36:01.599 I think he believed that the Iranian people are more 1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:06.120 moderate and want this change, and so it is probable 1:36:06.200 --> 1:36:07.680 that we might see boots on the ground now. I 1:36:07.720 --> 1:36:09.920 do think it would probably be a limited amount of 1:36:10.000 --> 1:36:14.679 special Forces operations that would secure particular sites, including including 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:18.200 oil reserves, refineries, those types of things. But at some 1:36:18.360 --> 1:36:20.439 point you're probably going to have some down there, and 1:36:20.520 --> 1:36:23.960 Americans generally don't want to see that happen, particularly after 1:36:24.080 --> 1:36:25.920 we go through what we went through in Iraq, what 1:36:26.040 --> 1:36:29.080 we went through in Afghanistan. Usually when you put boots 1:36:29.120 --> 1:36:32.040 on the ground and foreign soil, it doesn't turn out well, 1:36:32.080 --> 1:36:34.760 and real history always always suggests that as well. So 1:36:35.400 --> 1:36:39.040 you know, hopefully you know, it's nerve wracking, you know, 1:36:39.160 --> 1:36:40.720 And and the other thing is you don't want to 1:36:40.720 --> 1:36:43.679 see Iranian civilians suffer from all of this, and they're 1:36:43.720 --> 1:36:47.280 certainly going to and so you know, we're getting to 1:36:47.320 --> 1:36:50.320 the point of no return where I think decisive leadership 1:36:50.400 --> 1:36:51.040 needs to happen. 1:36:51.360 --> 1:36:53.719 It's I'm just not sure what that is exactly. 1:36:53.800 --> 1:36:55.439 And I think that's the problem with we know what 1:36:55.720 --> 1:36:58.320 that leadership vacuum looks like. But and the longer this 1:36:58.439 --> 1:37:01.680 goes on, the more devastation there is, especially to desalization 1:37:01.840 --> 1:37:05.879 stations and infrastructure and we're talking electricity, the more hardship 1:37:05.960 --> 1:37:07.840 the Iranian people face. Who would be on our side, 1:37:07.920 --> 1:37:11.160 but if they live in squalor front of extended pier, 1:37:11.200 --> 1:37:12.920 they're going to turn against us. And that is another 1:37:13.000 --> 1:37:16.240 part of the problem for sure that we've seen repeat 1:37:16.280 --> 1:37:18.200 over and over and over when we get into conflicts 1:37:18.280 --> 1:37:20.599 like this, there's no doubt about it. Normally we look 1:37:20.600 --> 1:37:23.320 at the market Sandy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial and go, well, 1:37:23.400 --> 1:37:25.400 you know what, they're seemed pretty calm. They kind of 1:37:25.439 --> 1:37:27.000 know you guys, kind of as you said, we've got 1:37:27.040 --> 1:37:29.000 it banked in. We know what's going to happen. The 1:37:29.120 --> 1:37:31.120 problem here is nobody knows what's going to happen, and 1:37:31.200 --> 1:37:32.440 Wall Street is acting. 1:37:32.240 --> 1:37:36.120 Like, yeah, and you know, we've looked at jobs. You know, 1:37:36.560 --> 1:37:39.240 we did get a decent job reportance in. You know, 1:37:39.320 --> 1:37:41.160 in spite of all of this, we added one hundred 1:37:41.160 --> 1:37:43.840 and seventy eight thousand new jobs in March. That topped 1:37:43.840 --> 1:37:47.080 the estimates of about sixty five thousand, you know, but 1:37:47.200 --> 1:37:48.800 I think you also have to look under the hood. 1:37:48.840 --> 1:37:50.559 There a lot of those new jobs. 1:37:50.800 --> 1:37:51.320 Some of it is. 1:37:51.760 --> 1:37:55.160 Seasonal, you know, when we start hitting spring those types 1:37:55.200 --> 1:37:59.519 of things. We also saw more people spending. Healthcare rebounded 1:37:59.560 --> 1:38:02.879 as kis permanent, tas strike ended. You have weather sensitive 1:38:02.920 --> 1:38:06.759 categories that also snap back. Leisure and hospitality certainly benefit 1:38:06.840 --> 1:38:10.280 from that. Construction and transportation as well. So while the 1:38:10.320 --> 1:38:13.320 headline numbers look good from a labor market standpoint, you 1:38:13.360 --> 1:38:16.000 know a lot of that is seasonal, and so I 1:38:16.120 --> 1:38:18.439 think really what people are looking to right now is 1:38:18.520 --> 1:38:20.479 how is the FED going to react. We're actually going 1:38:20.560 --> 1:38:23.360 to get the Fed minutes on Wednesday. I'm always curious 1:38:23.360 --> 1:38:25.080 to see what Fed Shirman Powell has to say this 1:38:25.200 --> 1:38:29.640 press conference around two thirty. It does seem that, you know, 1:38:29.760 --> 1:38:31.760 this crisis in Iran, it is going to have an 1:38:31.800 --> 1:38:35.439 impact on inflation. It's possible that we could see a 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:39.040 one percent increase in inflation, you know, from two and 1:38:39.080 --> 1:38:41.160 a half percent to three and a half percent. But 1:38:41.280 --> 1:38:43.959 the core inflation is really what's most important. That excludes 1:38:44.000 --> 1:38:50.120 food and energy, and the FED doesn't likes that information 1:38:50.320 --> 1:38:53.040 a lot better than the full inflation report because they 1:38:53.040 --> 1:38:54.640 don't feel like they have an effect on food and 1:38:54.800 --> 1:38:55.519 energy prices. 1:38:55.880 --> 1:38:57.559 But that's still going to probably tick up. 1:38:57.560 --> 1:39:00.200 Zero point three percent or so from you know, two 1:39:00.240 --> 1:39:03.120 point four percent to two point seven percent. So we 1:39:03.240 --> 1:39:06.959 are starting to see this actually have an impact on inflation. 1:39:07.320 --> 1:39:09.120 And I think what that's going to do is it's 1:39:09.160 --> 1:39:11.160 going to cause the FED to pause even further. You know, 1:39:11.240 --> 1:39:13.680 previously I thought that it's likely that we could see 1:39:13.680 --> 1:39:15.920 another cut in June. The way that the market is 1:39:15.960 --> 1:39:17.960 pricing in things right now, it's likely we don't see 1:39:17.960 --> 1:39:20.200 a cut throughout the end of the year, but you know, 1:39:20.280 --> 1:39:21.479 that can change at any minute. 1:39:21.680 --> 1:39:21.840 Yeah. 1:39:21.960 --> 1:39:24.120 Yeah, As we've seen in the past, and I know 1:39:24.240 --> 1:39:27.000 too about core inflation, food and energy prices are not 1:39:27.120 --> 1:39:30.000 part of that. But with the surgeon oil prices, we're 1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:34.760 going to see consumer prices spike against probably for this 1:39:34.880 --> 1:39:35.519 month and beyond. 1:39:36.040 --> 1:39:36.240 Yeah. 1:39:36.400 --> 1:39:38.479 Isn't that funny how the Fed, you know, kind of 1:39:38.520 --> 1:39:42.840 blows that those two areas off and everyday Americans are like, man, 1:39:42.920 --> 1:39:44.880 I mean, am I not am I not going to eat? 1:39:44.880 --> 1:39:46.280 Am I not going to go to one out, you know, 1:39:46.439 --> 1:39:49.280 and so you know, it hits American citizens hard. And 1:39:49.439 --> 1:39:51.880 so while the FED doesn't believe that, you know, it 1:39:51.960 --> 1:39:54.000 has a major impact on the economy, you know, I 1:39:54.120 --> 1:39:56.360 beg to differ. I mean, it's hard out there for 1:39:56.439 --> 1:39:58.200 a lot of people. And if you know, if you're 1:39:58.200 --> 1:40:00.599 struggling and you live to paycheck to payche and seventy 1:40:00.680 --> 1:40:04.080 percent of the American citizens due this is a problem. 1:40:04.320 --> 1:40:07.640 And I think from a political standpoint, the Trump administration 1:40:07.760 --> 1:40:10.920 knows that too, especially with elections coming up soon. 1:40:11.080 --> 1:40:14.520 So there's a lot at stake. These are very big decisions. 1:40:14.840 --> 1:40:16.840 Hopefully it works out for the best, not only for 1:40:16.880 --> 1:40:19.519 the United States, but for the citizens of Iran and 1:40:19.560 --> 1:40:20.280 around the world. 1:40:20.960 --> 1:40:22.920 But this is I think this is a critical moment 1:40:23.080 --> 1:40:23.599 in history. 1:40:23.880 --> 1:40:26.920 Up till about eight o'clock tonight, things that that will change. 1:40:26.920 --> 1:40:29.720 After eight o'clock. Maybe things actually look pretty good, right, 1:40:29.800 --> 1:40:32.160 I mean, there are some economical releases that came out 1:40:32.200 --> 1:40:34.800 this week that said the economy's on pretty solid ground. 1:40:35.200 --> 1:40:35.400 Yeah. 1:40:35.439 --> 1:40:38.479 We saw the ISM Manufacturing Survey that's the Institute for 1:40:38.560 --> 1:40:41.920 Supply Management that revealed that we're continuing to grow, and 1:40:42.000 --> 1:40:46.360 that was the third consecutive month expansion, and manufacturing has 1:40:46.479 --> 1:40:48.160 continued to grow. A lot of that has to do 1:40:48.320 --> 1:40:50.920 with production and new orders, and I think that is 1:40:51.000 --> 1:40:55.599 reflective of you know, the FED basically dismissing the trade 1:40:55.600 --> 1:40:57.640 wars that we had last April. Now, there was some 1:40:58.000 --> 1:41:00.679 issues as far as contraction and manufacturing, but it seems 1:41:00.680 --> 1:41:03.120 to have rebounded, so that's been positive. We also saw 1:41:03.760 --> 1:41:07.000 retail sales jump about point six percent of February. Spending 1:41:07.080 --> 1:41:13.000 increased across most retail categories. Online spending, auto deal dealerships, 1:41:13.040 --> 1:41:18.040 and healthcare stores all increased significantly. Jobless claims continue to 1:41:18.080 --> 1:41:21.479 come in very low, despite heavy layoffs, particularly in the 1:41:21.560 --> 1:41:27.240 technology sector. So you know, again it's all pretty lukewarm. 1:41:27.320 --> 1:41:30.920 It's it's decent, it's not great, but our economy still 1:41:30.960 --> 1:41:32.080 remains pretty resilient. 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:34.000 All right, this is as close to panic as Andy 1:41:34.040 --> 1:41:36.240 Schaeffer gets it. All work financial we'll find all time, 1:41:36.360 --> 1:41:38.439 maybe time again this time tomorrow. We'll see how we're looking. 1:41:38.479 --> 1:41:40.599 But who the hell knows. Yeah, it might have come 1:41:40.640 --> 1:41:43.600 over the deal as we're talking right now. Again that 1:41:43.800 --> 1:41:46.160 that feels like light years away, the way things work 1:41:46.200 --> 1:41:47.960 these days. Andy over at all Worth, as I said, 1:41:48.160 --> 1:41:50.280 there's show simply money. There's at six on fifty five 1:41:50.360 --> 1:41:52.519 k RZ. And he jumps in every Tuesday with a 1:41:52.560 --> 1:41:56.240 little financial tune up. Perfect timing today, Andy, if you 1:41:56.320 --> 1:41:57.920 got suspenders, I'd put them on today. 1:41:58.280 --> 1:41:59.639 Yeah, maybe we're talking in tomorrow. 1:42:00.000 --> 1:42:02.320 Well put the suspenders on. God knows what's gonna happen. 1:42:02.320 --> 1:42:04.800 Helmets are on. It's all said, appreciate you, Thanks, Okay, 1:42:04.840 --> 1:42:07.040 Scott all right. News on the Way will continue to follow, 1:42:07.040 --> 1:42:08.760 of course. The big story today. What the hell is 1:42:08.760 --> 1:42:12.040 gonna happen in Iran tonight? Who gets to blink? Who's 1:42:12.080 --> 1:42:14.640 gonna blink? Willie. We'll pick it up next at the 1:42:14.720 --> 1:42:16.840 twelve oh six here on the Home of the Reds. 1:42:17.360 --> 1:42:20.120 Another win last night, to nothing win last night. They 1:42:20.120 --> 1:42:23.120 are getting it done here on seven hundred wol Nobody, Cincinnati,