Speaker 1: Don't want to be in American Scout Floan show on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WW on this day of days. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: biggest story worldwide is Trump issuing new threats against Iran.
Speaker 1: The deadline for eight o'clock tonight is still on and
Speaker 1: either they agree to a deal or face What he
Speaker 1: said is about a four hour blitz. It would destroy
Speaker 1: every bridge, power plant, desalinization station, pretty much everything and
Speaker 1: send them back to the Stone Ages. Overnight to the
Speaker 1: United States military struct targets on Carga Island, which is
Speaker 1: an important outpost there, and that sent shockwaves throughout the
Speaker 1: region in the world for that matter. The question is
Speaker 1: is the world as we know it going to end
Speaker 1: at eight o'clock tonight? Maybe not the world as we
Speaker 1: know it? But in his truth social rant overnight, the
Speaker 1: President basins said, look, I don't want to obliterate an
Speaker 1: entire civilization. But those are pretty strong words from anyone,
Speaker 1: especially the United States President. On this Doctor Mark N.
Speaker 1: Slaco at the University of Dayton, former Director of International
Speaker 1: Studies and the Foreigner Human Rights Studies There also the
Speaker 1: foremost Middle East expert Middle Eastern terrorism flat from Black
Speaker 1: Black September to September to love, I should say, is
Speaker 1: the book mark welcome back? How are you? We got
Speaker 1: a well, we got a bad connection. I'm going to
Speaker 1: put it back on hold. Here, doctor Mark and Selaco,
Speaker 1: let me try that one more time. You got me? Now?
Speaker 1: No here you well, okay, there we go. The probability
Speaker 1: that at eight o'clock tonight el Hell is going to
Speaker 1: break loose. What would you put on a scale of
Speaker 1: one to ten, ten being armageddon.
Speaker 2: Well, let's hope that he backs off because, and I
Speaker 2: want to be clear about this, it would be a
Speaker 2: war crime to do what he is proposing, and members
Speaker 2: of the servicemen in the military know this. The past,
Speaker 2: we've talked about Trump being inconsistent, but now he's erratic
Speaker 2: in a way that raises questions about his mental health.
Speaker 2: And he's on the verge of asking the military, ordering
Speaker 2: military to commit crimes on their US Code of Military Justice,
Speaker 2: these are war crimes. You can't cannot take out the
Speaker 2: electric grid the entire country with the intent of not
Speaker 2: advancing any military objectives, but for punishing an entire population
Speaker 2: as civilization. He says, you know it's interesting. A few
Speaker 2: weeks ago, Mark Kelly, you know Pete accept the Secretary
Speaker 2: of War tried to punish Mark Kelly and others who
Speaker 2: are making a video and which is simply remended officers
Speaker 2: that they must not obeyed illegal orders. And last week
Speaker 2: except fired Randy George Armytief's staff. One wonders did he
Speaker 2: sort of communicate that they would not comply with these actions?
Speaker 2: But make no doubt about it, there's a really critical moment.
Speaker 3: This sounds.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a joke the way he goes about this.
Speaker 2: But what is what he's proposing is a very serious
Speaker 2: in terms of war crimes.
Speaker 1: Something I saw Mark indicated the Kinan said, well, you
Speaker 1: know what, we realize there's a potential war crime here,
Speaker 1: war crimes, I should say, but if we target dual
Speaker 1: use energy sites, there may be a loophole therefore us
Speaker 1: meaning civilian or military. If the military is using some
Speaker 1: of these resources for military use, then there may be
Speaker 1: an exemption or at least some gray area there, which
Speaker 1: of course is you know the lawyers love finding gray
Speaker 1: areas on things. Legally speaking, is aaron out there, you.
Speaker 2: Know, maybe bridges around carg Island. You have to show
Speaker 2: the military military necessity of this. I mean the phrase
Speaker 2: from the Geneva Conventions nineteen forty nine, which Dines is signatory,
Speaker 2: is a wanting death and destruction not justified by military necessity.
Speaker 2: You know, around there's a large country, march of the
Speaker 2: country is not anywhere close to many of the bridges.
Speaker 2: Is going to take out all the bridges as have
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the conflict area around the Persian Gulf,
Speaker 2: carg Island, et cetera, et cetera. And so no, what
Speaker 2: you're talking about is sending country back to the Stone
Speaker 2: Age or the Dark Ages because he's going to co
Speaker 2: elective elect elect grids. This is what Putin and Russians
Speaker 2: were doing in Ukraine, attacking the power stations to uh weaponize.
Speaker 4: The cold winters.
Speaker 3: That that is, that.
Speaker 2: Is beneath the honor and the dignity of the men
Speaker 2: and women serve us in uniform.
Speaker 1: On the war crimes element too, I guess if you're Trump,
Speaker 1: you're thinking, well, they have nuclear weapons. Isn't that a
Speaker 1: war crime? So by me committing a crime, if you're
Speaker 1: not gonna act in Iran, why should you act on
Speaker 1: the United States.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure the argument there.
Speaker 2: I mean, they may have they have riched uranium, right
Speaker 2: now they're weaponizing the straits. They're they're sort of strategically
Speaker 2: they have the upper hand on Trump right now. It's frightening.
Speaker 6: But no, the argument, well.
Speaker 2: They're going to get a bomb and therefore, as staying
Speaker 2: used to go in war law is silent. Well that's
Speaker 2: not the case. There are there are there are laws
Speaker 2: that are embraced by militaries around the world. So no,
Speaker 2: this idea of the United States in a very unpopular
Speaker 2: war bombing the country civilian populations is it's not it's
Speaker 2: an Americans. It's dangerous that the President of States is
Speaker 2: even staying such things, contemplating such things.
Speaker 1: Well, we've saw that. We've seen that before with him
Speaker 1: where he has you know, he threatened a lot, and
Speaker 1: then this is how he negotiates and what the outcome
Speaker 1: is here. You know, I think most people listening would
Speaker 1: be very surprised if we started flattening the entire country
Speaker 1: starting tonight as well. But you know, one more point
Speaker 1: in the war crime saying, I will say that you
Speaker 1: know you have countries like under the in the International
Speaker 1: Criminal Court, by the way, be the primary body, but
Speaker 1: they have serious limits. There are no jurisdictions over non
Speaker 1: members state. It's like Russia, China, Israel owned by the
Speaker 1: way the United States. But you know Syria, Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, China, Yemen,
Speaker 1: me And there's a list of countries where war crimes
Speaker 1: were committed, serious work crimes and they're never prosecuted. So
Speaker 1: you know what's the threat here? If you know the
Speaker 1: court isn't gonna come after you, it gives you leeway
Speaker 1: to do whatever the hell you want. Is the problem
Speaker 1: the administration? It is for us. But is the problem
Speaker 1: more the international the ICC because they don't seem to
Speaker 1: be too interested in prosecuting and one for wark crimes?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the International Criminal Court. Might I talk
Speaker 2: about the Geneva Conventions, I separate that from the Rome
Speaker 2: Statue and the International Criminal Court when we're not a
Speaker 2: signatory to that.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm not thinking about international enforcement so much. I'm worried
Speaker 2: about just the example of the American using his vast
Speaker 2: power to attack civilians. You're right, you read off the
Speaker 2: names of all these countries that that flaunt in national law,
Speaker 2: but we're not on that list. We didn't have a
Speaker 2: lot belong on that list. I mean militarily, what would
Speaker 2: that achieve anyway, we're still less. It will be a
Speaker 2: dark country in the Stone Ages, but oil still will
Speaker 2: not be flowing through the Gulf. Rich uranium lies buried
Speaker 2: under ground, still where it was, exactly the situation was
Speaker 2: before this war started six weeks ago. So you know,
Speaker 2: the idea that we're in such a dangerous enemy here
Speaker 2: that we have to flop through international rules, we have
Speaker 2: to commit war crimes. It's just it's just militarily unsound thinking.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And and Moreland quit frankly, illgal all right?
Speaker 1: Uh doctor Mark Anseloca. Yeah, I'm sure most people listening go, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's Trump. He's got It's a lot of bluster, it's
Speaker 1: a lot of wind less action. Uh, this is how
Speaker 1: it negotiates. He says, we're all Hull's going to break loose,
Speaker 1: and it probably won't. Iran's ten point proposal demanded a
Speaker 1: permanent end of the war, not to cease fire. Trump
Speaker 1: blants a deal. You don't want a peace treaty, want
Speaker 1: it's a deal deal. Is there any framework that they
Speaker 1: could bridge those two positions or is this just simply
Speaker 1: not compatible?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's insane.
Speaker 2: One has I do not have an idea where talks stand.
Speaker 2: He says, he's talking to someone the speaker of their house,
Speaker 2: speaker of their parliament, who has no power whatsoever. There's
Speaker 2: talks going. The Iranians deny the talks are going, and
Speaker 2: you're right. The deadline will come and go. The President
Speaker 2: will find some reasons say we'll make good, you know,
Speaker 2: to free we're negotiating good faith. So I've put this
Speaker 2: back so we don't know what's going on. In other words,
Speaker 2: you can no longer trust the credibility of the president
Speaker 2: at a time of war.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they said that the thrusts are baselests. They're going
Speaker 1: to keep fighting, and this would be the Republican Guard.
Speaker 1: Does ur Ant actually believe that they hold more leverage
Speaker 1: than Trump does right now?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 5: I mean they're they're fanatic.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not siding with Iran, of course, you know that
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form. But uh, yeah, they're
Speaker 2: they're holding the global economy hostage right now. I mean,
Speaker 2: China is still getting its way allowed. But you know,
Speaker 2: you literally may end up with a situation where, uh
Speaker 2: and the commentator made this point some time ago that
Speaker 2: there's three to four moves is going to become the
Speaker 2: Panama Canal. Ships transiting are going to have to pay
Speaker 2: Huran for license to go through. This will enrich he's
Speaker 2: actually enriching uh uh.
Speaker 5: Iran right now.
Speaker 6: So he may have to go in.
Speaker 2: He may have to send them. There's these there's two
Speaker 2: marine expeditionary units there. There's eighty second eighty second airborne there.
Speaker 2: They got the islands mapped out. We may end up,
Speaker 2: you know now the president's in consistence on.
Speaker 5: There, but we don't need the oil.
Speaker 2: We've got oil. The Europeans should go get it themselves,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. That is not strategic thinking that.
Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't work that way either. It all goes
Speaker 1: you know, that's an opeck. Basically everyone puts there to one.
Speaker 1: You can appreciate it u D. If you have a
Speaker 1: hairy buffalo party, everybody brings a bottle, you dump it
Speaker 1: in the same pod and then you drink from that.
Speaker 1: That's what oil. That's what the global oil supply is.
Speaker 1: We don't have enough oil. We don't have We may
Speaker 1: have the oil here, we just we don't have the
Speaker 1: refining capability to do it all for what we need
Speaker 1: on a daily basis. Here that's why we're a participant
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: For the president to say it's a little while abilities
Speaker 2: he was caught off guard, or except said he was
Speaker 2: sort of off guard. He didn't realize this would happened.
Speaker 2: This was this was anybody who knows geography one oh
Speaker 2: one knows that that's a checkpoint, a choke point for
Speaker 2: for navigation and for oil. What twenty five percent of
Speaker 2: the world's oil comes through there. We've known from the
Speaker 2: very beginning that that was an ultimate weapon to shut
Speaker 2: down shut down petroleum movements. So again, the insistency is
Speaker 2: this the tactically operationally with the military doing a fabulous
Speaker 2: but strategically no one knows what this war is about
Speaker 2: anymore except now we're facing this eight o'clock, you know,
Speaker 2: catastrophic deadline, which the president push off and he'll say
Speaker 2: something like, well, there's note talks, they ask for more time,
Speaker 2: and give them more time. But he's doing it because
Speaker 2: the military is public tail and we can't morally do
Speaker 2: this and in four hours going to take down every
Speaker 2: bridge in a country of nine hundred people, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, that makes me thinks he's not gonna blow
Speaker 1: the whole place to you know, the Kingdom come. He's
Speaker 1: doctor Mark Anzelaco, former Director of International Studies, Founder Human
Speaker 1: Rights Studies at UD in the Middle Eastern terrorism expert
Speaker 1: on the show this morning on the read on around
Speaker 1: the President. And by the way, overnight, uh carg Island,
Speaker 1: which is a military facility as well as I believe
Speaker 1: there's some oil assets there too, is all struck by
Speaker 1: the US military Overnight. Trump's at an eight o'clock PM
Speaker 1: deadline our time tonight either degree or they're going to
Speaker 1: hit a four hour blitz and they're going to pretty
Speaker 1: much wipe out everything in Iran when it comes to infrastructure.
Speaker 1: Part of that too is, you know, getting back to
Speaker 1: the issue of what we kind of need the people
Speaker 1: who are against the regime to like us. The more
Speaker 1: you bomb the stuff that they need to live on
Speaker 1: a daily basis, the less they're going to like us.
Speaker 1: Isn't that counterintuitive?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: And you hear the President saying, well, will Lucia's monitoring
Speaker 2: traffic and social media. They Iranian people really want us
Speaker 2: to keep bombing and keep bomb and keep bombing, and
Speaker 2: we no one believes that quite at all. Where does
Speaker 2: regime stand now in our strategic objectives. I mean, now
Speaker 2: we're facing this deadline, this catastrophic deadline right now, but
Speaker 2: there's no again, there's no clear strategic goals anymore about
Speaker 2: this conflict, and the president he's looking foolish.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 1: The other element here too is mental stability. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: other element too, Marcus been this thing started with them
Speaker 1: having nukes, but we've heard about them having nukes since
Speaker 1: at least the nineteen nineties. And if that's true or out,
Speaker 1: we don't know. We go in, we wipe some things out,
Speaker 1: and then we pull back out. I mean, we kind
Speaker 1: of did that to some degree in Venezuela, right We
Speaker 1: went in, we got material out of there, and we
Speaker 1: got the hell out. That's not happening here. This is
Speaker 1: looking more and marty every day, like boots on the grounds,
Speaker 1: and this is extremely unpopular with the American people. I
Speaker 1: get making sure that they don't get nuclear weapons, and
Speaker 1: I think he can do that strategically and knock some
Speaker 1: sites out and set them back a little bit and
Speaker 1: maybe have to do that every few years. But wiping
Speaker 1: out the whole country and the boots on the ground invasion,
Speaker 1: that's something no, well, very few people in America want
Speaker 1: outside of maybe the White House.
Speaker 2: And then because we're going to bomb them back to
Speaker 2: the Stone Age, which they deserve, said something along those lines.
Speaker 2: All but we may consider help we build a country
Speaker 2: down the road. So what would just the absurdity of
Speaker 2: that is. I mean, as we know, he shoots from
Speaker 2: the hip. He just says whatever crosses his mind, whatever
Speaker 2: he needs to say at a given moment. He literally
Speaker 2: contradicted himself in the same speech sometimes and so again
Speaker 2: there's the concerns about his inconsistency. No one knows how
Speaker 2: to read him known, how's it erect? But beyond that,
Speaker 2: it's erratic in a way that raises questions about his
Speaker 2: mental health.
Speaker 1: Mark in Silaco, he floated the idea of the US
Speaker 1: controlling the straight or her moves and charging tolls. Sept.
Speaker 1: You know the politics and how you feel about the said,
Speaker 1: But is that military or legally achievable? What would that tall?
Speaker 3: How do you do that?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: I assume so Iron was in talks with the Cutter
Speaker 2: yesterday or it was Cutter who were sort of the
Speaker 2: outside deal where they're arranged with the Iranians that their
Speaker 2: ships will pass through so when they fire the missiles
Speaker 2: from from batteries on shore. They won't attack this ship
Speaker 2: because they paid it. They paid a due, they paid
Speaker 2: a they paid the dues, they paid their fee. So
Speaker 2: literally they could make a case by case basis. The
Speaker 2: Iran would decide they're not going to fire on this
Speaker 2: ship because they pay their due, will fire on this
Speaker 2: ship because they don't, And totally United States takes those
Speaker 2: armaments though the artillery or the missiles capabilities.
Speaker 3: In less.
Speaker 2: United States takes that capability away. They have militarily the
Speaker 2: power to just send up imagine insurance fees.
Speaker 5: You imagine being god.
Speaker 1: The insurances are the killer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this there's gonna be They're gonna it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a windfall from around unless we can get on
Speaker 2: the ground and get those armaments, get there's artillery, get
Speaker 2: the surface their missiles or surface to surface missiles. They
Speaker 2: they can literally enforce their demand to close down the
Speaker 2: oil for any country, uh that has not paid them due.
Speaker 5: It's it's shocking, is the you know you.
Speaker 1: Look at this to go okay with the chill points
Speaker 1: of straight or a moose, is there a work around there?
Speaker 1: We heard about pipelines. You know you look back in
Speaker 1: history and go the Panama Canal, which I think you
Speaker 1: brought up a little bit earlier, maybe a previous discussion,
Speaker 1: that is a little easier to cut through that. But
Speaker 1: we did that based to get the rubber to not
Speaker 1: a lot faster because we're building cars. We need oil
Speaker 1: for those same cars we did well over one hundred
Speaker 1: years ago. So the end result here is, is there
Speaker 1: a work around you could eliminate the Straight of hor
Speaker 1: Moves from the importance of it? Is that something that's
Speaker 1: always going to be there, and is there something on
Speaker 1: the horizon technological in the future that we're going able
Speaker 1: to get the oil that we need for global supply
Speaker 1: and as well in the United States of America without
Speaker 1: having to go through that thirty mile shooting gallery to
Speaker 1: the Straight of hor Moves. It's being held hostage by
Speaker 1: the Iranians.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just by geography. They'd have to build pipeline
Speaker 2: just across the Radian Peninsula. Yeah, you know, get good
Speaker 2: on the Red Sea. So assuming you could do that
Speaker 2: and scale that to such a scale that you're getting
Speaker 2: the amount of oil that's coming out by ship per day,
Speaker 2: it would take years to build up place and would
Speaker 2: be inadequate. So no, it's the solution to the straights
Speaker 2: of our moves is to end this war.
Speaker 1: But then again, it's up to a rand to decide
Speaker 1: if they're going to close it every so often, and
Speaker 1: then we see these price headaches that we've experienced on
Speaker 1: and off our entire lifetime. He's doctor Mark Anseilaco, former
Speaker 1: Director of International Studies, founder Human Rights Studies at UD,
Speaker 1: expert on Middle East and Middle Eastern terrorism as well.
Speaker 1: And we'll find out what happens at eight o'clock tonight.
Speaker 1: Are you hopeful that Trump is basically just rattling the
Speaker 1: saber and at eight o'clock tonight, a whole hell of
Speaker 1: a lot of nothing happens.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm hoping because for him to give orders to
Speaker 2: carry out a campaign of that nature were again with
Speaker 2: the beneath the United States, beneath the dignity and the
Speaker 2: honor of the American military, and it's fled out morally
Speaker 2: on all.
Speaker 1: Right, all the best, Mark, we'll talk again soon. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you, thanks so much for checking in. We'll continue
Speaker 1: the conversation after news of your reaction of Mark Ensilaga
Speaker 1: takes some hard chots at Trump, But if you supported
Speaker 1: Trump and said Hey, you know what, he's not an interventionist.
Speaker 1: He's not getting involved. We're no more foreign wars. This
Speaker 1: is looking a lot like a foreign war. And for
Speaker 1: me personally, I think, you know, going in every so often,
Speaker 1: as I said, you launch some missiles, you take out
Speaker 1: their strategic nuclear sites, maybe set them back a little bit.
Speaker 1: You've got to do that check every few years or
Speaker 1: so in order to keep them from having nukes. That
Speaker 1: seems reasonable. However, that what we're doing now is so
Speaker 1: completely over the top you look at it going if
Speaker 1: we if we do what he says he's going to do,
Speaker 1: are we looking at the precipice of World War three?
Speaker 1: Because I think we are. We'll get into that just
Speaker 1: ahead here, Sloan he seven hundred wild. All right, we're
Speaker 1: inside ten and a half hours to go before the
Speaker 1: bombs fly in Iran. If you believe word by word
Speaker 1: what President Trump says that he wants to move forward
Speaker 1: with this, I think anyone who followed the president either
Speaker 1: supported him or a student's corner realize that he says,
Speaker 1: rattle's a saber a lot, but really doesn't follow through
Speaker 1: with these things. Now, could he be wrong this time?
Speaker 1: I think that's a distinct possibility. The reason why is
Speaker 1: we know above all else that Iran is threatening his ego.
Speaker 1: And when they come out and say, listen, you know
Speaker 1: you're not negotia with anybody' in negoatiating with yourself, that's
Speaker 1: a shot against him. Also when he talks about what
Speaker 1: he's about to do or threatens to tonight and they
Speaker 1: said it's baseless and we're going to keep fighting. So
Speaker 1: he doesn't like to have his bluster answered with more
Speaker 1: bluster and call him a liar. And that's why I
Speaker 1: don't know. Is it a coin toss. I have no
Speaker 1: idea how to I know how to handicap this one,
Speaker 1: but certainly it has a potential to be extremely better.
Speaker 1: And I think about this. If he follows through, you're
Speaker 1: talking no power grids, so hospitals, water treatment, communications, heating, cooling,
Speaker 1: it's all gone. You're talking a country of around ninety
Speaker 1: million people. If you wipe out all the bridges, there's
Speaker 1: no supply chain anymore, so food and medicine can't move.
Speaker 1: That means starving kids, women, children. Logistics becomes kind of
Speaker 1: night marriage the area, and at some point, if you
Speaker 1: decide you do have to go in in country. You've
Speaker 1: got to now move your military equipment there, which means
Speaker 1: building stuff, which costs even more money, not to mention
Speaker 1: the humanitarian catastrophe there and the retaliation. I think that's
Speaker 1: probably real because these people, you know, and again it
Speaker 1: is the ruling class that rules with that iron grip,
Speaker 1: and they don't want to give this stuff up by
Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination, because they want the gravy
Speaker 1: tan to keep going. And there's a wild hard card obviously,
Speaker 1: the straight orform moves which about a fifth of the
Speaker 1: world's oil goes through in peace time, twenty percent of it.
Speaker 1: And we've seen what oil prices are doing. Now can
Speaker 1: you really stand in your home to see oil prices
Speaker 1: go higher and higher? And for most American families answers no.
Speaker 1: Now does he actually do it? He said, you know
Speaker 1: times Iran appears to be negotiating good faith, but it
Speaker 1: might end tonight with another extension. Does that safe him face?
Speaker 1: We have no idea. The threat is real. The deadline
Speaker 1: is tonight. And then Trump's certain his blink before, but
Speaker 1: well he follows throwerbacks down again. This is a presidency
Speaker 1: defining moment in my opinion for him, because He's put
Speaker 1: so much into this, and you know, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: get as I've said in the past, and I've gotten
Speaker 1: caught some arrows for it. But I think, you know,
Speaker 1: if you suspect that Iran is close to creating weapons
Speaker 1: grade enrichment, then somebody's got to go in and take
Speaker 1: them out. And it's not the UN's job to do this,
Speaker 1: but I think you can do that and set them
Speaker 1: back with military strikes for sure, and that would not
Speaker 1: involve boots on the ground. And we've done that before.
Speaker 1: And is that every few years you have to do this.
Speaker 1: It seems that way in Iran, and then they'll put
Speaker 1: the effort back into rebuilding stuff and it continues to build.
Speaker 1: You know, if you just attack the military institutions, this
Speaker 1: is another reason why the Iraqi people want to see
Speaker 1: regime change there. If you continue to do that, if
Speaker 1: you started taking out their food and water and their
Speaker 1: ability to get around, now you've created another generation of
Speaker 1: enemies towards the United States. That's the problem with this,
Speaker 1: because if we continue with this, it's going to have
Speaker 1: to be boots on the God you blow the bridges
Speaker 1: and infrastructure up, at some point, you're going to have
Speaker 1: to go in there and rebuild it. How's that looking?
Speaker 1: And you know, the core argument here is every single
Speaker 1: time we do something like this, not saying we're going
Speaker 1: to tonight AA at the club, but every time we
Speaker 1: do it, what winds up happening is we just kick
Speaker 1: the can down the road and create a problem for
Speaker 1: the next generation. And certainly a lot of voters, in
Speaker 1: particularly Trump voters, worry about the next generation and saving
Speaker 1: American with the Americans going what kind of country is
Speaker 1: our kids going to?
Speaker 2: Hear?
Speaker 8: It?
Speaker 1: Okay, well, if we do it again, we've got a
Speaker 1: long track crcord of this. Look at it. This way
Speaker 1: back in the day we arm the moujah Hadeen and
Speaker 1: we got al Qada, we got nine to eleven, we
Speaker 1: toppled Saddam Hussein. What do we get we got isis
Speaker 1: we've been doing this for forty plus years and here
Speaker 1: we are. You just it's going to create more problems
Speaker 1: down the line. And I know you go, well, maybe
Speaker 1: it's not my problem right now, but again, if worried
Speaker 1: about our kids' grandkids, the unborn in the future of America,
Speaker 1: that puts that in jeopardy. And I know the straight ofform.
Speaker 1: This is an international waterway, it's not an American one.
Speaker 1: And if we go and somehow control that, I'm not
Speaker 1: quite sure that they're going to let the United States,
Speaker 1: even if we spill blood and treasure to go in
Speaker 1: there and make it our straight and we are the
Speaker 1: one assessing tolls, I'm not quite sure that's going to
Speaker 1: stand in the Arab communities, Arab countries anyway. And the
Speaker 1: other matter is is you know, we're what thirty eight
Speaker 1: trillion dollars in debt, So every time we launch a missile,
Speaker 1: every time we send a carrier group, every rescue operation
Speaker 1: involving one hundred and fifty aircraft, every plane shot down,
Speaker 1: that's money we don't have. So fiscal conservatives has gone
Speaker 1: out the window a long time ago. Off have said that,
Speaker 1: and that's why a lot of folks and you mun
Speaker 1: call it, you know, neo cons whatever the hell that means. Look, fact,
Speaker 1: the matter is, there's no fiscal conservatism in this whole thing.
Speaker 1: And every time we see something like this too, a
Speaker 1: lot then point out that a government expanded a good
Speaker 1: powers always expanded at home too. If you're concerned about
Speaker 1: those things, So is it our war? Should there be
Speaker 1: a war. Launching missile strikes is a lot different than
Speaker 1: we're about to do tonight, if that is indeed the case.
Speaker 1: If that is indeed the case, because as we've seen
Speaker 1: in the past, Donald Trump will say a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff on social He'll throw a lot out there, and
Speaker 1: then they say, well, we got a deal, or he'll go, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the final ultimatum right now, We're
Speaker 1: going to give them another forty five days to get
Speaker 1: their act together. But I don't know, is that just stalling?
Speaker 1: Is that How does that play with the Iranians and
Speaker 1: in particular the Revolutionary Guard there, But they would just
Speaker 1: laugh it off. And it's another shot at Trump and
Speaker 1: he does not like shots at, you know, questioning him
Speaker 1: or his ego. And that's what we're dealing with. That's
Speaker 1: a reality tonight at eight o'clock. I just don't I
Speaker 1: think eight o'clock comes and maybe there's some bombing, but
Speaker 1: maybe not to the extent he's talking, and hopefully it
Speaker 1: is military infrastructure as they did overnight at carg Island,
Speaker 1: which is it's got some oil assets there, but largely
Speaker 1: a very very small island kind of fair enough, fairly
Speaker 1: far away too from the Straight of hor Moose, which
Speaker 1: is the choke point here at seven four nine, seven thousand.
Speaker 1: Let me get to Josh and Wilmington first up on
Speaker 1: the show this morning. Josh Haw's life so far, so good,
Speaker 1: hanging in there. At least we're not in Iran. At
Speaker 1: least we're not in Iran.
Speaker 8: What do you got, oh, I just wanted to make
Speaker 8: the point. You know, what he's proposing is obviously, you know,
Speaker 8: horrible and dishonorable. But one aspect I haven't heard any
Speaker 8: talk about is the saber rattling or the negotiating tactic
Speaker 8: could cause a widespread terrorist attack, and you know it
Speaker 8: would be completely you know, anticipated by most people besides
Speaker 8: the people that run in our country right now.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, I mean there's always that threat. Every time
Speaker 1: we do something like this, there is a build up
Speaker 1: of that sentiment that would cause someone to go. And
Speaker 1: we saw lone wolf attacks, nothing really orchestrated, like nine
Speaker 1: to eleven. The lone wolfs are out there, and every
Speaker 1: time this happens, we see another lone wolf attack. I
Speaker 1: think it was where in Austin, Texas. We had one
Speaker 1: couple of them around this country, and certainly that's a concern.
Speaker 1: My concern even bigger than that. It certainly lost life
Speaker 1: is bad, but we're waiting for a digital nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're what Iran has they're really really good at,
Speaker 1: is disrupting our digital nature. I mean, can you imagine
Speaker 1: if if they did what they did to Striker, which
Speaker 1: is the medical company, a medical supply company. They basically
Speaker 1: took all their data and wiped it out, didn't even
Speaker 1: hold it hostage, it wiped it out completely and stole it.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they were recovering from that, but
Speaker 1: could you imagine if they did that to our government
Speaker 1: infrastructure or something much much bigger? That would Twitter goes
Speaker 1: down for ten minutes, people lose their mind. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine something like that that happening on a global or
Speaker 1: national scale?
Speaker 8: Absolutely horrible, And when our intelligence agencies disagree with our politicians.
Speaker 8: I tend to trust the intelligence in the military, and
Speaker 8: in my opinion, that was their cosensus, is that the
Speaker 8: worst thing they could do was a terrorist attack.
Speaker 5: Yep, And I feel like we're more vulnerable for that now.
Speaker 1: It feels like we're repeating history, and history not that
Speaker 1: long ago, you know what I'm saying? I agree, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how you do this. Finally, Joshua,
Speaker 1: without boots on the ground. I mean, if you go
Speaker 1: and blow everything up, at some point, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to go in and rebuild stuff. And he's talking about
Speaker 1: rebuilding it bigger and better. So well, first of all,
Speaker 1: where's that money coming from. Its money we don't have.
Speaker 1: And secondly, isn't that boots on the ground and something
Speaker 1: that that pretty clearly when Trump was sent to Washington
Speaker 1: for the second time with his marching orders from the
Speaker 1: American people, it was pretty clear that the people supporting him,
Speaker 1: at least most of them anyways, said we're not going
Speaker 1: to engage in more foreign wars, and yet a year
Speaker 1: in here we are. That's a problem. That's a problem.
Speaker 1: Josh be well up in Wilmington at five point three
Speaker 1: seven four nine, seven eight hundred the Big One and
Speaker 1: talk back on the iHeart Radio app. You wonder too,
Speaker 1: if they're looking at this going, well, you know, we've
Speaker 1: got this. The other eyes of the world are an
Speaker 1: Artemis two right now, and they're coming back. I mean,
Speaker 1: if the Iranians are talking about something disruptive, terror related,
Speaker 1: what about that space capsule that's floating around the moon
Speaker 1: right now. Like, I don't know how hard that would
Speaker 1: be to crack that in, but that would be a
Speaker 1: very high profile message that Iranian hackers could send because
Speaker 1: all that stuff is vulnerable for sure, and they have
Speaker 1: an avenue to do it. I don't know how hard
Speaker 1: it is to get in that kind of infrastructure of
Speaker 1: somebody eyes on it. And I'm talking about hardware digital
Speaker 1: hardware here, but you know, it does make you wonder
Speaker 1: what they are planning in a digital sense, because we're
Speaker 1: worried about terrorist attacks and dirty bombs and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's much easier and much more effective to do a
Speaker 1: digital attack, and we've seen them have their fingerprints on
Speaker 1: a lot of these things. That's what I lose sleepover.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much stock I put in Trump
Speaker 1: bombiting them back to the Stone Age tonight, because it
Speaker 1: sounds like vintage Trump, just throwing stuff out there, see
Speaker 1: what sticks. Because he is very good at talking about
Speaker 1: both sides enough nobody, even those around him, I would
Speaker 1: have to think that they have no idea what the
Speaker 1: hell he's going to do next, or at least what
Speaker 1: he's going to say next. For we'd like to think
Speaker 1: that there's a plane here. But on a lot of cases,
Speaker 1: I look at it and I don't think he has
Speaker 1: a plane. It's kind of winging it as he goes along,
Speaker 1: and you can wing stuff. I'm all for it, but
Speaker 1: in things like this, there's got to be a plan.
Speaker 1: I don't see much of a plan going on, and
Speaker 1: you know, push comes to shove. If I were a
Speaker 1: betting man, I would say that. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I think I finished fourth in my bra in the
Speaker 1: in the iHeart bracket, So clearly I'm not good at
Speaker 1: a good betting. At least I'm not at the bottom.
Speaker 1: I suppose in the top five is pretty good. But
Speaker 1: if O are betting man, I would say you, there
Speaker 1: may be some bombs drop tonight. There may be some
Speaker 1: missiles launch to make it look like we're blowing stuff up.
Speaker 1: But you know, as far as going in and targeting
Speaker 1: desalization plants and power plants and things like that, that
Speaker 1: that seems like a bridge. So even Trump's probably just
Speaker 1: throwing that out there to see what the reaction is
Speaker 1: going to be. And the reaction, of course, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people pushing back, even conservatives, for that. It
Speaker 1: is rightly so, because now you're just making a problem
Speaker 1: for future generations to unpack. Because we've done this time
Speaker 1: and time again. We're not really good at state building.
Speaker 1: We can go blow stuff and then go, okay, we
Speaker 1: blew you up. We're out of here. Okay, I get
Speaker 1: that strategy. But the what we're doing here, if we
Speaker 1: do move forward with this, gonna lose a lot of support.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I think it's happening as
Speaker 1: we speak right now. If you look at polling numbers
Speaker 1: and everything else in the price of oil is absolutely
Speaker 1: insane right now. That's going to get a lot worse
Speaker 1: if that is indeed what the plan is moving forward here.
Speaker 1: Speaking of plans moving forward, Jeff Cramering is here. He
Speaker 1: is a council member, and today they're going to vote
Speaker 1: on at least in the near future. I should say
Speaker 1: and ask him about this street takeover legislation. Here's the
Speaker 1: proposal from the City of Cincinnati to end this street
Speaker 1: takeover nonsense, which it's kind of nonsensical. No one's been
Speaker 1: hurt yet, maybe some of the participants have. I don't
Speaker 1: haven't done that much research on it, quite honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't do I care If you're going to do stupid stuff,
Speaker 1: generally you win stupid prizes. As long as you're not
Speaker 1: hurting me, we're cool. But when you take over intersect
Speaker 1: the street corner, you got police resources they have to respond.
Speaker 1: You've got people then speeding away, and that causes problems
Speaker 1: and maybe accidents, and who knows, someone you know, at
Speaker 1: the very least an ambulance or something could get held
Speaker 1: off been cause someone to die. We haven't seen that yet,
Speaker 1: but it's entirely possible. It's entirely possible. So following the
Speaker 1: Surgeon Street takeovers, they want an act strictor penalties, stricter
Speaker 1: penalties a thousand of two thousand dollars fine, and they
Speaker 1: want to impound the vehicle for up to six months
Speaker 1: for the first defense. And this dovetails with Ohio House
Speaker 1: Bill fifty six that classifies this cap of driving as
Speaker 1: illegal racing drag racing basically in a felony to flu
Speaker 1: to a fleet police. Is this enough to stop I
Speaker 1: don't know, out of state or out of town interlopers
Speaker 1: from coming here and doing what they did, like for
Speaker 1: example at Woodward where you had multiple dozens of arrests
Speaker 1: and vehicle seizures as well, but a six month vehicle
Speaker 1: on pound it Now in Louisville, I had a lawmaker
Speaker 1: on there last month to talk about what her proposal was,
Speaker 1: I believe for the second time, and she said, we
Speaker 1: want to take your car and crush it or sell it.
Speaker 1: Now I've got a civil asset forfeiture beef with that
Speaker 1: because I don't like the government taking your stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you have to take it, take it. But the
Speaker 1: problem is we've seen this with money. It's like I'm
Speaker 1: carrying some cash going on vacation and they think I'm
Speaker 1: jammed up in drugs when I'm not. They don't have
Speaker 1: to prove that. They just take the cash and keep it.
Speaker 1: So there's incentive for government to take your stuff, so
Speaker 1: that I don't like that element of it. I don't
Speaker 1: like because they tend to abuse that, especially in an
Speaker 1: area like this that needs Hey, we need revenue. What
Speaker 1: are we gonna we gonn take your current sell it.
Speaker 1: They're talking about doing that at Louisville. I think that's
Speaker 1: a bad idea because now you're gonna have law enforcement
Speaker 1: just come in and sees your crap, and that's not
Speaker 1: good for anybody, not good for anybody, but clearly it's
Speaker 1: a serious problem. And how do we deal with that?
Speaker 1: Cramerton coming up at ten oh seven. Ou out here
Speaker 1: on seven hundredule ol got time for a quick one
Speaker 1: REALI let me make it. Greg and Goshen here on
Speaker 1: the Scotts Slan Show. Greg, thanks for checking on what's happening.
Speaker 6: Thanks Mary, just real quick. So Dashlee's bad enough to
Speaker 6: worry about that. There's a couple of other things that
Speaker 6: have to pass through the straits that are going to
Speaker 6: be pretty problematic here pretty quickly. Okay, if you're in
Speaker 6: the chip making business, you have to have helium. They
Speaker 6: have to remain in that environment. A lot of these
Speaker 6: people that make chips, one hundred percent of their helium
Speaker 6: comes through their two weeks of wat.
Speaker 1: I remember there was a helium crisis not too long
Speaker 1: There was a helium crisis not too long ago as well,
Speaker 1: wasn't there? Does that recall?
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, say I said, what.
Speaker 1: Wasn't there a helium shortage not too long ago? So
Speaker 1: I recall it was like a big deal.
Speaker 6: Yes, there it was, Okay, yeah, and this can still
Speaker 6: be a real shortage this time. What worries mean worse
Speaker 6: is twenty percent of the world's fertilizer comes through there.
Speaker 6: Not our fertilizer, but the world. Yep, this is fame
Speaker 6: and territory people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that affects us here in the United States. And
Speaker 1: farmers right now here in America are freaking out rightly
Speaker 1: so because they're seeing fertilize prices go up. Can can
Speaker 1: farmers absorb that?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: They pass on consumers. Consumer Can we here afford much
Speaker 1: higher food prices and much much higher oil prices? And
Speaker 1: that is that's the tipping point for us here in America.
Speaker 1: It is about our wallets in the end. And you're right,
Speaker 1: I didn't know about the helium, and certainly the fertilizer
Speaker 1: issue is very, very big, but anything passing through there.
Speaker 1: Because the other element too is they have to get
Speaker 1: insurance on those ships, and the cost of insurance obviously
Speaker 1: is through the roof, because well, if you blow up
Speaker 1: one of these cargo ships, you're talking about billions of
Speaker 1: dollars with the not only oil in it too, but
Speaker 1: the with the the people on it and the ship itself.
Speaker 1: Those premiums are extremely high and they're aready trying. I
Speaker 1: think on top of that, I think the toll is
Speaker 1: like two million dollars or something like that. That's not
Speaker 1: the insurance, that's the toll. So this is why gas
Speaker 1: costs so much money. You know, there's only so many
Speaker 1: ways you can move the oil too. As Anselaco said,
Speaker 1: and I kind of spit ball this the other day, going,
Speaker 1: you know, it seems to me like maybe we got
Speaker 1: to find a different way to go besides this really narrow,
Speaker 1: thirty mile wide passage where they can just you know,
Speaker 1: they can shut it down pretty easily. Is there an
Speaker 1: easier way to go on?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: When it comes to the seas now, not so much.
Speaker 1: You still have to go through the strait. But is
Speaker 1: there a pipeline? Can you do? A canal? Can you do?
Speaker 5: Any?
Speaker 1: Answer? If you look at that peninsula right there, if
Speaker 1: you look at the strait itself, the choke point is,
Speaker 1: you know, the pinch point is it looks like, wow,
Speaker 1: we just put a pipeline. Why don't we put a
Speaker 1: pipeline or a you know, dig a tunnel or something
Speaker 1: underwater pipeline. Maybe you can't though, because it's the other thing.
Speaker 1: With the canal there would be so mountainous you just
Speaker 1: simply can't do that, whereas Panama, I mean, you're talking
Speaker 1: what in the nineteen hundreds when they did that. That's
Speaker 1: much much different than what we're talking about here. Because
Speaker 1: there's so much mountain and terrain it'd be it's hard
Speaker 1: to get a pipeline or anything to go uphill. And
Speaker 1: then the digging, of course, you got to dig through mountains.
Speaker 4: In order to do this.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's feasible or not. And you
Speaker 1: got to defend it's a whole nother thing. And then
Speaker 1: what if where they put the or if they decided
Speaker 1: to put the canal under the pipeline, that new government
Speaker 1: comes in, a radical government comes in, takes it over.
Speaker 1: So we're back to where we started again. So we
Speaker 1: got that to contend with. We'll all hulbreak lose tonight
Speaker 1: at eight o'clock. That's a big question. We'll continue to follow.
Speaker 1: A full update here in seconds on the Scotsland Show.
Speaker 1: This is the Nation Station seven hundred WW Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: I want to be an American.
Speaker 1: It's flowing back on seven hundred w. O. I'm so
Speaker 1: following a surge in dangerous street takeovers, and I'd say
Speaker 1: they're pretty dangerous, mainly for the people participating, but nonetheless
Speaker 1: can't have that Cincinnati moving to an act strict or
Speaker 1: local stricter local penalties. We're talking like one to two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and five six months vehicle impoundment. And this
Speaker 1: is on the heels of Ohio House Bill fifty six
Speaker 1: that has codified stunt driving as illegal racing and makes
Speaker 1: it a felony to fleet police.
Speaker 5: So on.
Speaker 1: This will be voting on this soon as a council member.
Speaker 1: Jeff Kramerton on the Scotts Loan Showjeff, welcome back, Hey Ben.
Speaker 5: Good to be here.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So before I get into the street racing thing, which
Speaker 1: is the big sexy topic, the less sexy topic, of course,
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati's income tax hike. After have pure Vaal mayor
Speaker 1: pure Val kind of punted on the timeline he wanted
Speaker 1: to propose in the first two monthster in a state
Speaker 1: of the city and now maybe three months with nothing,
Speaker 1: and I was saying, this may not happen at all
Speaker 1: this year, and this would be the earnings tax we're
Speaker 1: taught tax we're talking about in the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: And I think you said back in maybe earlier this month,
Speaker 1: that there's a plan to unveil maybe a proposal, the
Speaker 1: mayor saying it's not going to happen. Are you guys
Speaker 1: on the same page, because you're the chair of Budget
Speaker 1: and finance? So what a spring is? Spring? Is this spring?
Speaker 1: Next spring? Three springs from now? What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I am you know, no end likes to talk about
Speaker 5: tax increases, but there is in need. I think there's
Speaker 5: growing consensus that there is a need. There's never a
Speaker 5: good time to raise taxes or even talk about it,
Speaker 5: but the problem is getting worse and worse. So I
Speaker 5: have always been a strong advocate for going going, taking
Speaker 5: this to the voters, letting them decide. You know, we
Speaker 5: talked about doing this in twenty twenty, which was a
Speaker 5: presidential year, and there's the thought that all of the
Speaker 5: message will get drowned down the presidential year and the
Speaker 5: year after that we were running, councils, running, the mayor's running,
Speaker 5: and we don't be talking about taxes when we're running.
Speaker 5: And now this year there's concerns about the economy. So
Speaker 5: there's just never there's never a good time. The budget
Speaker 5: gets worse and worse, the streams get worse on basicity services,
Speaker 5: So I still hope that we can take this to
Speaker 5: the voters and make vccasional.
Speaker 1: Let them decide, Well, the net profit tax and for
Speaker 1: businesses down something and they like, like by a third,
Speaker 1: the finance director said, so in December. And if the
Speaker 1: economic foundation is that shaky, why is an income tax
Speaker 1: the right move rather than deeper cuts? Or is this
Speaker 1: is this what a dest spire looks like, Jeff, I mean.
Speaker 5: We've we've again this, this conversation continued now for twenty
Speaker 5: years since the Cincinnati alternative is when the economy is booming,
Speaker 5: our earning s tax is very high, and people say,
Speaker 5: you know, we don't we don't need it this year.
Speaker 5: So when and when is the right time the economy
Speaker 5: is shaky or earning stack is down, that's putting you know,
Speaker 5: more stream on basic city services. So when do you
Speaker 5: have this difficult conversation? Is the question?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no one wants to have that. Of course, earnings tax,
Speaker 1: income tax. You know, you're taking more out of my way.
Speaker 1: And and still Cincinnati is low compared to all the
Speaker 1: other big size cities or medium sizes for that matter,
Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio. So we're still since I
Speaker 1: think I gets lost in the mix here, we're still
Speaker 1: not acting at the rate of other cities like Columbus, Cleveland, Toledo,
Speaker 1: and others.
Speaker 5: All of our pier cities in Ohio are two point
Speaker 5: five percent. We're at one point eight percent. To put
Speaker 5: that in real dollars, if the city was at two
Speaker 5: point five percent, which no one suggesting that, but if
Speaker 5: we were, there'd be an extra two hundred million dollars
Speaker 5: a year. Uh So you understand that why there is
Speaker 5: a strain on basic city services when we're that far below,
Speaker 5: When our rate is that far below other cities, we
Speaker 5: could have a very modest increase still be far below
Speaker 5: any other highest cities and be able to provide more
Speaker 5: basic city services, which we know people want.
Speaker 1: Futures commissioned. I believe there reports at point one five percent,
Speaker 1: which is like, as you said, a modest increase, would
Speaker 1: that bridge the gap?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that that's that's about the number we're
Speaker 5: talking about. Is a point one five? Is it point two?
Speaker 5: Those are numbers that have been discussed. If you're going
Speaker 5: to raise taxes, are going to be able to pay
Speaker 5: for the things you promise? You don't want to be
Speaker 5: raised taxes and not have it fixed up problem to
Speaker 5: That's where the conversation has been around those amount, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Jeff cramerding this ties into quality of life issues.
Speaker 1: You know you did a residence survey, not too happy
Speaker 1: about potholes and other issues. We see this street takeover
Speaker 1: thing happened time to time. Of course, we saw what
Speaker 1: happened on opening day. Not a street take over unless
Speaker 1: you make it a human street takeover with gunshots being fired.
Speaker 1: But back in on New Year's Eve, I think last
Speaker 1: year you had traffic stop downtown at the Banks for
Speaker 1: street race. We had thirty nine people arrested, sixty five
Speaker 1: cars and pounded at Woodward earlier last month. And so
Speaker 1: people see that and it's just another reason to go, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to downtown Cincinnati or creating business down there,
Speaker 1: or maybe I want to move out. Those are real
Speaker 1: concerns for people, not saying it's happening in big numbers,
Speaker 1: but it's a quality of life issue. So the Woodward
Speaker 1: thing that's already illegal under existing law, what would this
Speaker 1: ordinance do that's being proposed incurring by the way, in
Speaker 1: Ohio Bill fifty six, that isn't already allowed. What else
Speaker 1: do they make a lead about.
Speaker 5: This, Well, we're gonna be discussing a lot option. So,
Speaker 5: I mean the one that I think is most interesting
Speaker 5: is impounding cars for up to six months, so you know,
Speaker 5: you're taking the vehicle that was you know, part of
Speaker 5: this crime. They're pounding you for six months. During the
Speaker 5: last street takeover, fifty three cars were towed. Uh you know,
Speaker 5: we did get some towing teas, but you know, extending
Speaker 5: that to six months be much more of a deterrent. Obviously,
Speaker 5: cars are the focus of this, so there's a lot
Speaker 5: of conversation around that this morning in council.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you keep the car for six months. What
Speaker 1: if it's you know, my kid borrowed the car and
Speaker 1: they're they're sitting there watching the street right saying we're participating,
Speaker 1: or maybe they took off because they got scared. I
Speaker 1: got to get to work the next morning. What then?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I mean this is this is a
Speaker 5: very serious crime. So I mean, you have to be
Speaker 5: responsible for your vehicle. H somebody's taking your car to
Speaker 5: you to to commit a crime of this magnitude, I
Speaker 5: think you have to be held responsible. I mean, this
Speaker 5: is you know, this is dangerous. We know what these
Speaker 5: street takeovers. A lot of people are coming from outside
Speaker 5: the city of Cincinnati, which raises a lot of issues.
Speaker 5: And you know, I think people are frustrated. To me,
Speaker 5: this is breaking the lall for the for the sake
Speaker 5: of breaking the law. I mean me, I don't think
Speaker 5: going donuts is that fun. I think people are just
Speaker 5: intentially violating the wall just to get a high up
Speaker 5: for that, and that's very frustrating. And said something about
Speaker 5: the site.
Speaker 1: Well, all all the stops. I'm gonna interrupt you there,
Speaker 1: Jeff Gramonting, did you just say doing donuts isn't fun?
Speaker 5: Yeah? It worked for me a little bit when I
Speaker 5: was sixteen, but I sorted I've grown it. I would
Speaker 5: hope most of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeff, donuts are so fun. I just it just
Speaker 1: depends where you're doing the donuts. Fair enough, Okay, very
Speaker 1: donuts our hell a lot of fun. But yeah, you
Speaker 1: should be shutting intersections down to do it. No, of
Speaker 1: course not. I know you're proposing the six month Vehicle Empowerment.
Speaker 1: This is kind of based on Louisville and the last month.
Speaker 1: The person who is uh is proposing this down there
Speaker 1: in the Commonwealth is Beverly Chester Burton she was on
Speaker 1: my show a little while ago. Uh, and she's proposed
Speaker 1: as before this time around, you're talking thirty days in
Speaker 1: jail for the first one second one they take your
Speaker 1: car and they're gonna crush it or maybe even resell it.
Speaker 1: Now that concerns me when it comes to civil asset
Speaker 1: forfeiture because we've seen this with money, people carrying cash
Speaker 1: and going almost be drug money even though they can't
Speaker 1: prove it. They keep the money anyway, saying with the cars,
Speaker 1: police and well in this case, places like CPD that
Speaker 1: need the money, if they can resell the car, that's
Speaker 1: incentive for them to seize your car, and they drop
Speaker 1: that threshold because it's about money. I got a problem
Speaker 1: with that as a libertarian going, I don't know if
Speaker 1: the government should be taking your assets or something like this,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe season it for six months or holding
Speaker 1: on to it, say we're gonna park it here. I
Speaker 1: guess that makes sense. But now you've incentivize them taking
Speaker 1: your stuff. That I just agree with.
Speaker 5: This morning, when we're I mean, we're gonna look at
Speaker 5: what Louisvill's done, we're talking about the accountants. We of
Speaker 5: course want to deter this make sure this crime does
Speaker 5: not happen, make sure these criminals do not come to Cincinnati, SINETI,
Speaker 5: and balancing that with the constitutional requirement to make sure
Speaker 5: that we can port with the law. So it's gonna
Speaker 5: be a conversation. You know, I've talked to my colleague.
Speaker 5: This is what's on the table. There has been some discussion,
Speaker 5: you know, is this is this really gonna turn? Is
Speaker 5: this serious enough? Talking about our partners, the judges of
Speaker 5: the county, So finding the right balance to what will
Speaker 5: stop this, but still uh not be of the top
Speaker 5: and violate the constitution.
Speaker 1: All right, So you seize the car for six months
Speaker 1: to hold on to it. I think that sends a
Speaker 1: pretty strong message myself, as it's not gonna be tolerated.
Speaker 1: You get your property back in six months, and I
Speaker 1: guess you're gonna have to hoof it wherever you're going. Now,
Speaker 1: there's some as I mentioned, you know, if it's a
Speaker 1: kid borrowing a parent's car, and is that for a
Speaker 1: first defense, Jeff or this would be from right from
Speaker 1: the jump?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, I mean, I mean right now, it's
Speaker 5: a frozen motion. It's right from the jump. Of course,
Speaker 5: of people can always provide mitigating circumstances as part of
Speaker 5: the criminal process. But it's you know, you if you're
Speaker 5: of course, if you go to court and you're found
Speaker 5: not guilty, because you know your your your vehicle would
Speaker 5: get released. Uh So there's got to be safety mechanisms
Speaker 5: built in, and that'll be part of the conversation.
Speaker 1: Are these people who are actively engaged in doing the
Speaker 1: donuts in the street takeover? What about people are sitting there,
Speaker 1: maybe videoing it or just sitting on their car because
Speaker 1: they're blocked at an intersection. Is this everybody who was
Speaker 1: caught in that intersection, just the participants that are caught
Speaker 1: on video.
Speaker 5: This notion just applies to the participants. Spectating is already
Speaker 5: a crime according to Ohio state law. So if you're spectating,
Speaker 5: you're watching these criminacs there, you know it is a misdemeanor.
Speaker 5: It's a minor crime, but that is a crime, right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, that way seems a little about what wiggle room there?
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, look, you know what I got blocked in?
Speaker 1: What am I going to do? I got my phone,
Speaker 1: I started recording. I guess I'm a participant, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know this was happening. I suppose there's some wiggle
Speaker 1: room there, but how often have they caught the participants
Speaker 1: in these.
Speaker 5: Of the Sinday Police Department and did a excellent job
Speaker 5: with the last street takeover where there was I think
Speaker 5: forty arrests and fifty five vehicles impounded. So it was
Speaker 5: just a tremendous job. I mean, I you know, with
Speaker 5: people driving through the streets in this reckless manner, I
Speaker 5: mean it's I can't imagine how difficult it is to
Speaker 5: you know, block those cars and arrest them, get the
Speaker 5: drivers out all a safe manner without a dangerous office
Speaker 5: from the public. Who you get that many cars? With
Speaker 5: a testament to the Cincinnati Police Department, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You had thirty nine people arrested in sixty five cars
Speaker 1: I believe impounded. And what happened at Woodward the last
Speaker 1: month and I saw that went wow, that that sounds
Speaker 1: a really strong message. You also concerned with those who
Speaker 1: are out of town? How do you separate that?
Speaker 7: Do you know?
Speaker 1: I mean technical, what's out of town? Somebody from I
Speaker 1: don't know, a kid from Westchester or Loveland or I
Speaker 1: don't know, Hyde Park or something else. You know, how
Speaker 1: do you how do you determine what's the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 5: Well, I think, well, I mean ye have the last
Speaker 5: time we the people from as far as way is
Speaker 5: at least we had cars from as far away as
Speaker 5: New York and Texas. Which is why the empowerment part
Speaker 5: of this motion is important because at least some of
Speaker 5: the offenders last time had a relatively small bond of
Speaker 5: one thousand dollars. So if you're from out the state,
Speaker 5: are going to come and you know, pay your bond money,
Speaker 5: get your car and be off the road and never
Speaker 5: come back. I think that's the possibility. So that's any
Speaker 5: reason the empowerment part of this is important.
Speaker 1: These things target and these are all organized on social media. Obviously,
Speaker 1: with the no Kale location is going to be announced
Speaker 1: at the last minute. Does this legislation, Jeff kramerding, include
Speaker 1: any tools that target organizers or promoters or just address
Speaker 1: the participants. What about those people who may have organized
Speaker 1: and that may be the same person We don't know,
Speaker 1: But if you put this up on your social feed
Speaker 1: and we find out who you are, could you wind
Speaker 1: up getting in trouble for organizing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that goes into constitutional issues. Obviously, there's there's first
Speaker 5: amendment issues, But are you organizing a criminal act? I
Speaker 5: think that's part of the question. So the motion talks
Speaker 5: about the empowerment. The motion also talks about anything else
Speaker 5: from a policy perspective that city Council can do. So
Speaker 5: are we talking about that with our law department? Of course,
Speaker 5: we want to hear from the police who were there again,
Speaker 5: who did a great job, to see what they're seeing,
Speaker 5: what they're hearing, and what can be done to prevent
Speaker 5: this and make sure it doesn't happen again?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: Council Member Jeff kramerting on the show on seven hundred
Speaker 1: wwfellow A member Mark Jefferies, who's on the show often
Speaker 1: proposing an ordinance aimed at specifically discouraging out of time
Speaker 1: participants by having these penalties for street takeovers, talking vehicle
Speaker 1: impoundment for the first offense up to six months, saying
Speaker 1: that you know this has worked in Louisville, and that's
Speaker 1: even more streme. They're talking about actually destroying your car
Speaker 1: and level, so don't do it there. Spectators are targeted,
Speaker 1: and we have House Bill fifty six that's being enhanced
Speaker 1: stunt driving definition there says stunt driving which is donuts, burnout,
Speaker 1: shrifting wheelies, racing the whole thing. It's illegal, fallony fleeing.
Speaker 1: Now it's now fell into wilf found need of wilfle
Speaker 1: laid police if you're participating in a street takeover, and
Speaker 1: accountability for participants all in there as well, and you
Speaker 1: could see how Cincinnati's builds off of the existing Ohio law. Finally,
Speaker 1: Jeff Chrimer thing thirty nine people arrested back last month
Speaker 1: in the street takeover roundup, What happened to their cases?
Speaker 1: What are the judges order? What were the decisions?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean some of the bonds were very low
Speaker 5: from my opinion, especially with the nature of the crime
Speaker 5: and the transient nature of many people were out of town.
Speaker 5: So you know, I think we're talking about how to
Speaker 5: deter this and doe more penalties on the places as
Speaker 5: part of it, and certainly tracking all these crimes and
Speaker 5: developing a better partnership with our with our county judges. Important.
Speaker 5: We've talked a lot and then productive conversations about data
Speaker 5: when it comes to any crime, what is working, what
Speaker 5: isn't effective be turned and how the city can we
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 3: When we.
Speaker 5: Had the problems over last summer. The city actually put
Speaker 5: up money with it, with our judges saying, you know,
Speaker 5: you know we need data. We help you pay for
Speaker 5: get to from someplace that we get better data. So
Speaker 5: I think that there is a need there across the board,
Speaker 5: and it's something we continue to work on and need
Speaker 5: to work on.
Speaker 1: Are the judges hands tied? Is that the problem? You
Speaker 1: can only punish these folks so much? And does this
Speaker 1: lawlegislation give it more teeth than you know? Taking our
Speaker 1: car away of us is a big one. But I
Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying is we know, Jeff, that the
Speaker 1: laws out there where our judges are not tough on recidivism,
Speaker 1: which means repeat criminals, especially the violent felony types. It
Speaker 1: just they will released on their own recognizance and by
Speaker 1: the time they cross the threshold from from the court
Speaker 1: to the street, they're committing crimes all over again. And
Speaker 1: judges are just too damn lax. Is that part of
Speaker 1: the problem with this.
Speaker 5: I think that the problem is if you look at
Speaker 5: it in isolation, the penalty might not match the crime.
Speaker 5: I whan we were joking about donuts that if you say, oh,
Speaker 5: a person was in doing donuts at three o'clock in
Speaker 5: a school park. You know, you're, okay, that's not that's
Speaker 5: not the worst crime. But then if you look at
Speaker 5: this in totality, what's going on in one hundred people
Speaker 5: driving recklessly down the highway. I think we had unwull
Speaker 5: whacked in an organized manner. That becomes a much more serious.
Speaker 5: That's the reason that we need to increase the penalty.
Speaker 5: That's the reason these takeovers are so dangerous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but are we going to have judges to go, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think it's punishing these poor young
Speaker 1: victims even though they're engaged in crime here, and I'm
Speaker 1: just not We're not going to seize their car. We're
Speaker 1: just going to let them out. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: make all the laws you want. If the judges aren't
Speaker 1: doing their part, it's pretty worthless, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, I think that I think that we do
Speaker 5: from the city's perspective, we do need data, We do
Speaker 5: need tracking. That data should be available to public and
Speaker 5: may available to the citizens. And if there's a problem,
Speaker 5: I a judge is not meeting community expectations, they should
Speaker 5: be voted out. And I think that that data, in
Speaker 5: that tracking is part of that all right.
Speaker 1: He is a council member, Jeff kramerting on the Scott's loan.
Speaker 1: She'll be voting on this street tagover issue. And hopefully
Speaker 1: that's all the information you need to Maybe not, because
Speaker 1: I know a lot of my listeners are out there
Speaker 1: doing the street takeovers. I gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I disagree with a lot of my listeners are street
Speaker 1: tag over people. I'm sure. Hey, Jeff all the best man.
Speaker 1: Thanks for jumping on the shows.
Speaker 5: Mary.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you always, pleasure take care.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 1: We got a news update coming in just minutes here
Speaker 1: on the Big one seven hundred WLW, and we'll follow
Speaker 1: what's happening, of course in Iran right now. And the
Speaker 1: countdown is out, the countdown because the doomsday clock is
Speaker 1: running here. If we believe for his word what Trump
Speaker 1: said at eight o'clock tonight, the big boom goes off
Speaker 1: and we wipe the whole country out. We'll see what
Speaker 1: that looks like. If indeed that's what happens. We don't
Speaker 1: know at this point. The only thing I've concerned about it,
Speaker 1: first of all, judges not doing what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: The second thing of course, is civiliss at forfeiture, which
Speaker 1: I have a problem with because we've seen jurisdictions that
Speaker 1: have been given the tools going, hey, we got to
Speaker 1: stop the flow of drugs. Okay, well see you can
Speaker 1: seize money now. Great, So now they're just seizing people's
Speaker 1: money even though they can't prove its side to drugs,
Speaker 1: and they just get to keep it. And that happens
Speaker 1: at CBG, it happens all over the place. I just
Speaker 1: hope that this doesn't become that as the city looks
Speaker 1: for new revenue. Maybe now we'll take your car and
Speaker 1: sell it. That could be coming next, although with this
Speaker 1: version of it that's not the case for sure. So
Speaker 1: it's just a lefty eye sloan here. This is seven
Speaker 1: hundred w weld. Scott's flown here seven hundred WLW welcome
Speaker 1: to and keep you updated all day long on what
Speaker 1: is about to happen or the threat thereof to Iran
Speaker 1: President Trump. I guess I'm looking at Fox News right now.
Speaker 1: So he spoke to Brett Bayer ahead of the eight
Speaker 1: pm deadline and said, no, this is absolutely happening sometime
Speaker 1: at eight or thereafter. A relative to blowing the the
Speaker 1: snot out of Iran. It makes you wonder, though, if
Speaker 1: you set them back to the stone ages, as he
Speaker 1: continues to say, it's gonna happen, no power grid, no bridges,
Speaker 1: you wonder the Iranian retaliation is gonna be pretty fear
Speaker 1: But what also happens with the people we need in
Speaker 1: that country to be our allies, kind of like within right,
Speaker 1: the pushback against the totalitarian regime that's there. We're really
Speaker 1: bad at this stuff, so keep saying against stressed enough
Speaker 1: we going away. Okay, great, now you just the people
Speaker 1: you need to help rebuild and make it a more
Speaker 1: democratic state. Is not going to happen because now you've
Speaker 1: turned the support that the United States had against it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, we'll find we'll see what happens. Again,
Speaker 1: it's Trump, So your guess is as good as anybody's.
Speaker 1: My guess is as good as anyone's too. On what
Speaker 1: is going to happen. We'll see, So we'll keep you
Speaker 1: updated on this again. Come up at eleven oh seven.
Speaker 1: Got a Middle Eastern expert about this and what this
Speaker 1: all looks like at eleven oh seven is the big story,
Speaker 1: The big story. Just got an email from I'll leave
Speaker 1: the name out said to live in Claremont, my employer
Speaker 1: and work location. There's a a Lunking airport. My wage
Speaker 1: is deducted from income taxes by the federal, state and
Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati. I can vote in or against the
Speaker 1: leadership for federal and state, but not regarding Cincinnati. How
Speaker 1: many business owners, how many employees work within the city
Speaker 1: limits and pay the city income tax to which you
Speaker 1: were just talking to Jeff crimerting about, and don't have
Speaker 1: a say as to who spends that kind of income.
Speaker 1: I prefer to pay the taxes and have a say.
Speaker 1: But in Louin, not having a say accept the income
Speaker 1: tax exception integgravating. Yeah, I get it, and I think
Speaker 1: I know what you're getting at. Back to the phrase
Speaker 1: that we learned in grade school, taxation without representation. So
Speaker 1: you're paying a tax, but you have no say in
Speaker 1: how that tax is spent. Now, I do know top
Speaker 1: of my head that courts have consistently ruled that they
Speaker 1: don't recognize that if a local municipality does something like
Speaker 1: this where the payroll tax gets kicked in or you
Speaker 1: pay taxes, you're you know, you're working in Cincinnati, you're
Speaker 1: paying Cincinnati taxes, payroll taxes, but you have no say
Speaker 1: and how those moneys are spent? Is that technically the
Speaker 1: definition of taxation without representation? The courts so far are
Speaker 1: have ruled that it isn't simply because you know, I
Speaker 1: get the tax burden falls on people who don't have
Speaker 1: a vote for the council setting the rate. There's an
Speaker 1: accountability gap there. But they have said that, well, it's
Speaker 1: different because you choose to work there. You could always
Speaker 1: you could always leave your job and go work somewhere
Speaker 1: else if you don't like it. And I think courts
Speaker 1: have kind of upheld that commuter not or asident peril
Speaker 1: tax is constitutional because you use city infrastructure. So Rhodes
Speaker 1: police fire is the argument, and you have indirect representation.
Speaker 1: You know, you can lobby, you can advocate, you can
Speaker 1: choose to not work there, and if it's income earned
Speaker 1: within the city. The big one is that courts treat
Speaker 1: that as a legitimate basis for taxation. But you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you. I don't have a say,
Speaker 1: and how shouldn't I have a say in how that
Speaker 1: money is being spent? I think it's irresponsible because in
Speaker 1: this case, the revenue is declining, so you're going to
Speaker 1: raise the tax rates up again. Now it's not anywhere
Speaker 1: near what other cities have, but I think that's that's
Speaker 1: a really strong argument. You know, the early grievances on
Speaker 1: there were that the crown, that the British Crown taxed columnists.
Speaker 1: Us are predecessors who had no vote in parliament. So
Speaker 1: we had, you know, the stamp tax. We had the
Speaker 1: Boston Tea Party. It was all related to that, saying what,
Speaker 1: I'm paying tax on all this stuff stamps, so any
Speaker 1: document had to have a government stamma to pay that.
Speaker 1: I had to pay the freight on t a t
Speaker 1: tax and they said, okay, this is stuff, throw the
Speaker 1: tea overboard rather than pay the tax on it. That's
Speaker 1: essentially what they did, and saying screw you guys. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do our own thing. And here we are here,
Speaker 1: we are screwed it up. But yeah, I totally get
Speaker 1: that thing. But I got to pay this tax, but
Speaker 1: I don't have a say in it. And they took about,
Speaker 1: you know, you still use the roads used to.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I got that. So I work in we're in Madeira
Speaker 1: and years ago because you know, Willie lives here, and
Speaker 1: so he wanted to make sure that everyone paid quote
Speaker 1: unquote their fair share. So he's kind of like a
Speaker 1: liberal when it comes to lining his own pockets. And
Speaker 1: they had passed an income tax here because the anythink
Speaker 1: it was fair that those of us who lived elsewhere
Speaker 1: we're driving the roads, use their fire and police services
Speaker 1: and not have to pay for that. Yet we have
Speaker 1: no say in the government. Well, the people that use
Speaker 1: the most city services, you know, ambulances for example, that's
Speaker 1: a big one, tend to be the people who live here.
Speaker 1: You know police, sure, but police travel all over the place,
Speaker 1: it's pretty consistent. But you know, fire and rescue, that's
Speaker 1: a different thing entirely. That tends to be more residents
Speaker 1: than in the businesses. Just by the nature of it
Speaker 1: aren't just kind of funny. It's like anything in America.
Speaker 1: You know, I want stuff and you should have to
Speaker 1: pay for it. There's nothing different going on here, But
Speaker 1: I tend to agree with it with the email are
Speaker 1: there that Yeah, wait, I got to pay more in taxes.
Speaker 1: I don't get to say how this is spent at
Speaker 1: the problem of course, then that just makes our tax
Speaker 1: structure even more complex if they were to take that
Speaker 1: out there, because then some of you got to pay
Speaker 1: for it. It's got to go back together.
Speaker 3: City.
Speaker 1: I don't know how we're working all this, And this
Speaker 1: is why the tax go to so damn complicated. More
Speaker 1: towards the pay as you go tax. It seems to
Speaker 1: me to be the way to go here. What else
Speaker 1: do we have going on this morning?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: I wanted to get in this. This is interesting. This
Speaker 1: happened in Green Township. This guy, Jarvis Goodfrey, was in
Speaker 1: court yesterday. This is a dude who shot at teenagers
Speaker 1: because they were ding dong ditching. They were knocked on
Speaker 1: his door. They ran to the car, took off, They
Speaker 1: went down the street, came back around, and by the
Speaker 1: time they pulled turned around, he had shot at them,
Speaker 1: struck the car, believing the trunk, and a couple of
Speaker 1: houses there on Starview Avenue. And he, for his troubles,
Speaker 1: is now in custody, or maybe he's out on bond.
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how they do this. We just
Speaker 1: had this story happen overnight in Indianapolis where a city
Speaker 1: council person there found thirteen bulletholes in his front door.
Speaker 1: Now he is a single dad and the district in
Speaker 1: which he represents is debating has come up and said,
Speaker 1: you know what, we want data centers here. And so
Speaker 1: what happened was somebody shot thirteen rounds at his front door.
Speaker 1: After midnight. He and his son woke up to the
Speaker 1: black asked a gunfire. He said, just a few hours before,
Speaker 1: his son, his eight year old, was sitting at the
Speaker 1: dining room table playing with his legos, and that's where
Speaker 1: the rounds went through. And on the front doorstep and
Speaker 1: a zipped closed zip lock bag as a doorstep reading
Speaker 1: no data centers. And so he was one of the
Speaker 1: guys that could in his district. He backed the project
Speaker 1: and said, look, we're going to get two and a
Speaker 1: half million dollars in an investment. We could get up
Speaker 1: to twenty million dollars more. We got construction jobs, long
Speaker 1: term tax revenue. We think we need this in the district,
Speaker 1: and so we voted for it. In for his trouble
Speaker 1: at thirteen shots fired through his front door, and of
Speaker 1: course everyone rushing to condemn this, from the people who
Speaker 1: are against the data center in the first place, to
Speaker 1: both Republican and Democrat council caucuses and everyone's condemning. So
Speaker 1: when something like this happens, they condemned, they condemn, they condemn,
Speaker 1: And I don't think in this case. You know, I
Speaker 1: tied it to Dravis Goodfree here Godfree in Green Township.
Speaker 1: So not just the data center issue, but in both
Speaker 1: those cases you got a guy who's I mean, let's
Speaker 1: face it, we live in an age now with fear
Speaker 1: and a lot of this has created ourselves. For mister Godfrey,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's concerned about the West Side, He's concerned
Speaker 1: about what's happening in his neighborhood. He sees all this,
Speaker 1: you know, look at the street takeovers, which isn't inherently dangerous,
Speaker 1: but it gives a perception that there's crime all over
Speaker 1: the place, that now there's there's somebody going to kick
Speaker 1: his door, and it's going to be it's going to
Speaker 1: be another Savannah Guthrie's mom, you know, Nancy Guthrie type
Speaker 1: of situation. You don't know now. I think when you
Speaker 1: run outside and the car that's driving away, you put
Speaker 1: a couple of rounds into it, that is definitely a felony.
Speaker 1: You know, someone firing, someone kicking your door, and if
Speaker 1: you shoot through that door. It's going to be awfully
Speaker 1: tough to convince a jerry that you thought you know
Speaker 1: someone's coming through. And now I think there are some
Speaker 1: members of jury would see that going well. It could
Speaker 1: be a home invasion or whatever, as opposed to just
Speaker 1: a dumb prank. But we are all on the razor's
Speaker 1: edge these days, 't know if you notice that for me,
Speaker 1: you everybody, and whether it's this or what happened in
Speaker 1: Indianapolis is a little bit different in that the data
Speaker 1: center is a it's a pressure cooker issue. But I
Speaker 1: think what drives this whole thing where you had, you know,
Speaker 1: had so many politicians now and it's accelerated where there's
Speaker 1: school board members, election workers, health officials. Now you've got
Speaker 1: city council people and others of Supreme Court justices who
Speaker 1: are being targeted for national scale grievances. I think that's
Speaker 1: the thing that social media is part of this, where
Speaker 1: it compresses information and that you think things are a
Speaker 1: lot more threatening than they are, and certain the juries
Speaker 1: out in data centers. We know we weorrery about the environment,
Speaker 1: electricity and things like that, but these things often have
Speaker 1: a tendency to play themselves out and we think, you know, hey, daddy,
Speaker 1: I don't want a data center. Most people, if you
Speaker 1: ask them what is in the data center, I'm not
Speaker 1: quite sure, but they know they're against it. They don't
Speaker 1: want it in their neighborhood. And certainly it goes to
Speaker 1: show you that something is made basic, if not life changing.
Speaker 1: But a data center can reach that same favorite pitch.
Speaker 1: Online is a big cultural issue. So you got locala
Speaker 1: think about, You've got local Facebook groups, you've got neighborhood apps,
Speaker 1: you've got all these things. Turned the zoning dispute into
Speaker 1: an existential threat in less than seventy two hours. So
Speaker 1: if somebody's already in the edge, they're already pissed off.
Speaker 1: You put this on top. It's too much to go
Speaker 1: and shoot somebody's door out, And it's just kind of
Speaker 1: it's also a normalization problem. And every time we get
Speaker 1: a brick through a window, or a voicemail or thirteen
Speaker 1: round shot through a front door, or somebody pounding on
Speaker 1: your door in the middle of the night is a
Speaker 1: prank that you take as a home invasion. This is
Speaker 1: what winds up happening.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: Of course, those on the left, the progressives, will tell
Speaker 1: you yeah, this would be a problem if you just
Speaker 1: got rid of all the guns. But I'll point out
Speaker 1: that ninety point nine point ninety nine percent of gun
Speaker 1: owners don't do this stuff. So we got another knucklehead
Speaker 1: out there that makes it hard for the overwhelming almost
Speaker 1: all of the rest of us who have guns to
Speaker 1: use them responsibly and enjoy their company, so to speak.
Speaker 1: And that's where things stand today. Those two stories not related,
Speaker 1: but in some ways they are. And this has to
Speaker 1: do more with our parent oi on us looking at
Speaker 1: our shoulders that we really don't have a we tend
Speaker 1: to fabricate out and said this that the problem is
Speaker 1: that the human I think the human condition, we need
Speaker 1: some sort of strife, We need some sort of angst,
Speaker 1: We need some something to worry about, or something to
Speaker 1: worry about. We need worry. That's what drives a news cycle.
Speaker 1: I mean here on this station and others u TV
Speaker 1: for example, but streaming it's all about the drama.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: We live in times now where it's so good. And
Speaker 1: I'll say that, yes, it's so good that some of
Speaker 1: the most popular shows on television or on streaming, I
Speaker 1: should say, are what reality shows? What are reality shows?
Speaker 1: They just make up drama. It's nothing but drama. What
Speaker 1: are the Housewives shows? It's drama, rich women with drama.
Speaker 1: What's a show like I don't know. The cop shows,
Speaker 1: the CBS, NBC, ABC, all the Runner, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like csiol of what they're cop shows because we like strife,
Speaker 1: we like the Fire Country and the Shareff Country. All
Speaker 1: these shows it's all dealing with well, we're fabricating violence
Speaker 1: because in our world now it looks like it's really
Speaker 1: really bad. But if you look through the history of
Speaker 1: the world, we live in the safest times ever. Even yes,
Speaker 1: even in the mean streets of Cincinnati. You know, if
Speaker 1: you go back to your door getting shot in or
Speaker 1: uh you know in this case a city solicitor getting
Speaker 1: a store shot in, or some kids dignit, you know,
Speaker 1: knocking on the door and getting shot. You know, people
Speaker 1: used to sell agreemances not long ago by pulling I
Speaker 1: got and shoot each other. You know, it wasn't long
Speaker 1: ago where you could treat a loved one. Your wife,
Speaker 1: for example, didn't have many rights. And that was in America,
Speaker 1: and that wasn't really in his in terms of history,
Speaker 1: not really that long ago. And so if you see
Speaker 1: what passed for I guess acceptable behavior in public, and
Speaker 1: you talk about how crass it is today. It's kind
Speaker 1: of different though. You know, the the the physical abuse
Speaker 1: of tolerating you beating your wife was legal, punishing your
Speaker 1: corporal punished with kids, and kids were treated as they
Speaker 1: weren't treated as children in these precious snowflakes. They were
Speaker 1: treated as cheap labor. You know, if I had a farm,
Speaker 1: which we're a grarian, not that long ago, I need
Speaker 1: I needed labor, and the best way to create labor
Speaker 1: as to what was to have unprotected sex guaranteeing that
Speaker 1: I would cheap, free labor on my farm. And that
Speaker 1: is you know ten my my mother in law, I
Speaker 1: think they're eleven or twelve or thirteen kids in their family.
Speaker 1: Good Catholic families, they said, but they had need of
Speaker 1: the labor. So we look at kids now much much
Speaker 1: differently we did just a couple generations ago, don't we.
Speaker 1: And I think for that very reason that's why we
Speaker 1: stand is all right, things are much better now, and
Speaker 1: whether you want to believe that or not, in some
Speaker 1: ways they're were saying now, social media certainly can be
Speaker 1: a pain in the butt, but when you talk about
Speaker 1: just the safety. You know, we don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about a poisoned water supply. It wasn't that long ago
Speaker 1: that we did.
Speaker 4: Or food.
Speaker 1: Food is pretty plentiful, and now to the point where
Speaker 1: the biggest thing we do is we overeat. You know,
Speaker 1: we talk about food deserts and stuff where poor pok
Speaker 1: folks have to go to a convenience store and get
Speaker 1: a twinkie as opposed to some I know, some lettuce
Speaker 1: or some spinach. The food is cheap and it's plentiful.
Speaker 1: We're killing ourselves with a knife and fork. The problems
Speaker 1: that we suffer from today are much different than we
Speaker 1: did so a generation or simply a two or three
Speaker 1: or four ago. And that's a lot of the stuff
Speaker 1: that's surviving. So dr We need that drama, We need
Speaker 1: that element, and I think that comes from are I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's part of our DNA as human beings
Speaker 1: that you know, we literally had to fight off the wolves.
Speaker 1: You know, I've got I got a gun, I got
Speaker 1: a musket. I'm not worried about some joker online. I'm
Speaker 1: worried about a bear eating my family when we go
Speaker 1: out to get water out of the well, I'm worried
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 3: That's that's a.
Speaker 1: Real that's real worry. Or a famine. You know, crops
Speaker 1: are put in and we have a really bad winter. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't eat, we starve, we die. Yeah, that's real
Speaker 1: hand and mouth kind of living. That happened in the
Speaker 1: course of the two hundred and fifty years of our country,
Speaker 1: for sure. So a lot safer today than we were yesterday.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem that way because we had this thing
Speaker 1: in our hand called a phone that feeds us a
Speaker 1: steady dyet based on algorithms of doom and gloom, and we,
Speaker 1: you know, we continue to digest that as entertainment. Now
Speaker 1: to fill that void we need as human beings that
Speaker 1: we need some sort of strife in our life. The
Speaker 1: real strife we have not too bad. And you going, wow,
Speaker 1: it's luney. You're full of it because you know you're
Speaker 1: a you know, I'm worried about my next paycheck. Now,
Speaker 1: those are those are real worries. But today we even
Speaker 1: despite what you want to believe about Republicans, we still
Speaker 1: have a pretty good safety net in this country in
Speaker 1: some areas. Certainly it does need to get better. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but you know, buy and large. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: drive down the street and see cardboard shacks, people living
Speaker 1: in cardboard boxes, generally whole communities as you did maybe
Speaker 1: during the Great Depression. It's just simply not acceptable. Hoboes,
Speaker 1: where did they go?
Speaker 8: And that was?
Speaker 1: You know they've been around. You do have homeless people,
Speaker 1: but you know, the hoboes are looked at as kind
Speaker 1: of lovable people. Now we want to save them all,
Speaker 1: whether they want to save themselves or not. In a
Speaker 1: consimerable number of homeless people actually say lesson, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be housed. I might have a drug problem, sure,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to be around other people and
Speaker 1: that may meddle the disorders whatever you have it. But
Speaker 1: it used to be romanticized. It's not today. I guess
Speaker 1: it's my point. So there you go. We got a
Speaker 1: news update coming up in just minutes here on seven
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Speaker 1: Anyone have a globe anymore? It'd be easier for Google
Speaker 1: and Apple to redo the maps if we wipe a
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Speaker 1: But I'm worried about the big globe. And if you
Speaker 1: still have a folding map, my got somebody. I'll call
Speaker 1: Triple A. What are they doing over there? I gotta
Speaker 1: be really concerned about this whole thing. Will it be
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Speaker 7: Don't want to be an American idiot?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: You heard the president at eight o'clock tonight, all hell
Speaker 1: is going to break loose? Is it over for a ran?
Speaker 1: He says, if you believe in his word, that's a
Speaker 1: done deal. But we've seen this before, We've heard the
Speaker 1: rhetoric in the last minutes. So maybe the twenty third hour,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we start backing off a little bit.
Speaker 1: But what's at play here? We got the forty eight
Speaker 1: hour ultimatum, and now eight o'clock tonight is the deadline?
Speaker 1: Is at it? Right here?
Speaker 4: Is it all over?
Speaker 1: As we know it are the worst fears about to
Speaker 1: become realized. He is a and by the way, we're
Speaker 1: at what nine hours now before or the map of
Speaker 1: the Middle East changes, if indeed that is true at
Speaker 1: eight o'clock tonight on that is Abdullah Hayak. He is
Speaker 1: a Middle East analyst at a DC specializing in regional
Speaker 1: security US foreign policy. Welcome back, Abdullah, good morning.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Huh, So we hit about thirteen. Well, I want to
Speaker 1: get to the game inside. But right now, if you're
Speaker 1: too I don't know if you're too handicapped this Abdullah
Speaker 1: scale of one to ten, ten being total armageddon. Where
Speaker 1: do things stand at eight o'clock tonight? What do you
Speaker 1: think occurs?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 7: I doubt that the Iranians are going to oblige to
Speaker 7: the demands of the president.
Speaker 3: This war has been going for long enough to determine that.
Speaker 7: But I don't think that the president is going to
Speaker 7: retaliate after the deadline either. As you've mentioned before, this
Speaker 7: is not the first time he sets forth the deadline,
Speaker 7: and I just don't know where the progress of the
Speaker 7: war is going to go. There hasn't been a clearly
Speaker 7: stated objective to define this war. There hasn't been any
Speaker 7: you know, determined factor in the war. It's it's all.
Speaker 7: It's a quagmire. So it's really hard to tell, and
Speaker 7: you know there there's no calculation for it.
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing too, If we go in there
Speaker 1: and lay the waste the infrastructure, that means the bridges,
Speaker 1: that means the roads, that means the power plants, it
Speaker 1: means the desalization stations, all those things, don't we lose
Speaker 1: what we need most, and that is the the Iranian
Speaker 1: people to be on our side. We've seen this in
Speaker 1: the past where we go in Okay, regime change, that's great,
Speaker 1: and the people are turned worse than they were with
Speaker 1: the with the regime before them. And we want people
Speaker 1: to be on our side, and I believe they are,
Speaker 1: including our allies there in the Middle East. If we
Speaker 1: go and do this, what happens to that relationship.
Speaker 7: Well, certainly that will happen, because that's the lifeline of
Speaker 7: any society.
Speaker 3: You know, those are the basic necessities at a society.
Speaker 7: But the Iranian retaliation, in turn, we'll target those same
Speaker 7: infrastructure in the Middle East US allies, and that in
Speaker 7: turn will affect the US relationship that the US has
Speaker 7: with the Arab allies, especially in the Gulf. So it's
Speaker 7: definitely going to be a setback for US Middle Eastern relations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've hit something like thirteen thousand targets in
Speaker 1: five weeks. At what point does that campaign become counterproductive?
Speaker 1: On that point? Are we there yet?
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 7: We haven't hit the things that hurt the regime most.
Speaker 7: If we keep hitting the launchers and the factories and
Speaker 7: military infrastructure, that's counterproductive because the Onions can just regroup
Speaker 7: in a few months and a few years and reproduce
Speaker 7: and you know, remanufacture everything they've had so far.
Speaker 3: And it's it's fine because the.
Speaker 7: Technology is there, the leadership is there, the objective is
Speaker 7: still there.
Speaker 3: It's just difficult.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing too is Iran controls the straight up
Speaker 1: our moose oil as you know now one fourteen, So oh,
Speaker 1: in that regard, it feels like Iran has the economic
Speaker 1: leverage right now.
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, definitely not.
Speaker 7: And it's important to remember Scott that not only do
Speaker 7: they have leverage over the Strait of Hormos, which is
Speaker 7: all for the record forty percent of global shipping going
Speaker 7: through there, they also have leverage over another strait, which
Speaker 7: is to the west of the Strait of Hormos called
Speaker 7: the Babyl Mendev Strait, which is we're currently controlled by
Speaker 7: the Houthis in Yemen, and if they go ahead and
Speaker 7: close that, we're looking at the major global energy and
Speaker 7: shipping crisis that's going to affect every corner of the world.
Speaker 1: The problem, of course, is how the hell they get
Speaker 1: the oil out of the Middle East without Iran and
Speaker 1: escase the Hoo'sy's being in play, and there's no work
Speaker 1: aound for that. You know, we talked about pipelines, talking
Speaker 1: about canals and other ways to get that oil out
Speaker 1: of there. There's just there is no way because there's
Speaker 1: so much of it, and the easiest way is through
Speaker 1: that very narrow thirty mile our chow point called the
Speaker 1: Strait of Removes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that's the thing.
Speaker 7: There's already you know, talks and reports and rumors that
Speaker 7: they're thinking of trying to make, you know, a project
Speaker 7: or a pipeline or whatever. But the bottom line is,
Speaker 7: you know, the main getaway for the oil to get
Speaker 7: out of the region is the Strait of Hormoves and
Speaker 7: unless you find the deal to you know, get that
Speaker 7: into play. There's not going to be an American victory
Speaker 7: in this war. That's just plain and simple, all right.
Speaker 1: So negotiations a llegible and going on. Pakistan is broken
Speaker 1: in these talks. They're also a nuclear state with complex
Speaker 1: ties to both sides, and you got a factor what's
Speaker 1: their agenda here? And not only that, are these talks
Speaker 1: actually happening because the Iranians say no, Trump says yes,
Speaker 1: Pakistan's in the middle, and who knows where their interests lie.
Speaker 7: Well, the Pakistanis are very interesting in this and there's
Speaker 7: a benefit for both sides.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 7: The Pakistanis are getting back in the game with the
Speaker 7: US because they want to reprimand their relationship with the US,
Speaker 7: especially in light of tensions with India, because they see
Speaker 7: that the Indian American relationship is getting stronger.
Speaker 3: They want to catch up the Americans.
Speaker 7: They want to pull the Pakistanis back in because they
Speaker 7: don't want the Pakistanis to be full in bed with China,
Speaker 7: because they've been in bed with China for the past
Speaker 7: few years on a very strong level.
Speaker 3: So there's a benefit on both sides.
Speaker 1: When it comes up Dullah to Trump claiming that we've
Speaker 1: achieved regime change. I keep seeing that headline all morning
Speaker 1: today that they're dealing they're smarter, thus less radical leadership
Speaker 1: in Iran? Is that true? And from a security standpoint,
Speaker 1: does it change the behavior here on the part of Iran.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, to his perspective, yeah, there has been
Speaker 7: regime change because they've killed the whole leadership apparatus. We
Speaker 7: can say that, but the regime in its essence still remains. Now,
Speaker 7: is it going to be less radical? Absolutely not. If
Speaker 7: one thing's taught been taught in the Middle East, that
Speaker 7: is that when one leader is assassinated, when one, you know,
Speaker 7: regime is taken out, and still the essence of the
Speaker 7: regime is there, the successor is always going to be
Speaker 7: more radical. There are successor is always going to be
Speaker 7: more determined to get back at the US or Israel
Speaker 7: or whoever. So I don't think we're going to see,
Speaker 7: you know, an Iranian supreme leader right now calling for
Speaker 7: peace between himself and the Iran and the Israel or
Speaker 7: the US. Want to see a much more determined leader
Speaker 7: who wants to accelerate the nuclear program.
Speaker 1: Especially especially Abdullah, when that person is the son of
Speaker 1: the guy he just killed exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: That's even all the more reason.
Speaker 1: It does make a lot of sense.
Speaker 5: Right now.
Speaker 1: Abdullah Hyak is here. He is a Middle East analyst,
Speaker 1: regional security expert in US foreign policy expert. Down what
Speaker 1: the what's going to happen tonight at eight o'clock? God
Speaker 1: only knows only Trump. I don't know if Trump knows
Speaker 1: at this point. I think he's waiting to see what
Speaker 1: happens if someone capitulates, is someone links what do you
Speaker 1: think would be enough? Because because the president is about
Speaker 1: getting some cover here, what moves could I ran make
Speaker 1: in the next roughly nine hours here, less than nine
Speaker 1: hours now, I doullah that would satisfy him and go, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: we'll not do what we're said we're going to do
Speaker 1: at eight o'clock tonight. We'll give you, I don't know,
Speaker 1: a fifteen thirty forty five day break until you come
Speaker 1: up to speed here. But what could be given up
Speaker 1: by the Iranians that will allow us to wiggle out
Speaker 1: of the situation.
Speaker 7: It's it's very hard to tell you. The President's mind
Speaker 7: has been all over the place. It's it's really difficult.
Speaker 7: But I would say he would be able to deliver
Speaker 7: a victory by saying, oh, I opened the strait of home.
Speaker 7: Was I saved global shipping? I saved the oil business,
Speaker 7: and that would be in his favor. But another thing
Speaker 7: would be you know that Iran has subjugated to the
Speaker 7: demands of the US in terms of, you know, limiting
Speaker 7: itsmissal or drone program, stop supporting the proxies, and you know,
Speaker 7: set back in its still clear program, which is all,
Speaker 7: by the way, very unlikely.
Speaker 1: Is Iram going to give that territory up?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: What can they give up and save face?
Speaker 7: Well, in any country is mentality. Nobody gives up anything,
Speaker 7: you know, especially the Iranians. We're forgetting a main factory
Speaker 7: that we're thinking that these guys are Western based player.
Speaker 7: These guys are from the East. They don't surrender like
Speaker 7: they do in World War One World War two. These
Speaker 7: guys they either fight to the victory or they die.
Speaker 7: That's the Eastern mentality. So they're not going to go
Speaker 7: ahead and wait to be on a desk to sign
Speaker 7: an agreement with world leaders. They're going to want to
Speaker 7: take it out in the battlefield.
Speaker 1: Now fight for thousands of years. This is we're only
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty years old. They've been doing this
Speaker 1: for thousands of years.
Speaker 7: Exactly, and I think that's the biggest miscalculation we had.
Speaker 1: And it seems like we repeat a lot of those mistakes.
Speaker 1: Abdullah all right, so Trump floated, Okay, we're going to
Speaker 1: control the straight of our most you just kind of
Speaker 1: talked about that and charge tolls.
Speaker 4: Is that even.
Speaker 1: Feasible at this point without without boots on the ground there,
Speaker 1: How all of a sudden we're the one leving the tolls.
Speaker 3: How does that?
Speaker 1: How does that even ratic? Are logical?
Speaker 7: I guess well it's not, because you know, the even
Speaker 7: the Iranians, they don't have boots on the ground. What
Speaker 7: happens is that the Iranians control a set of islands
Speaker 7: in the Strait, and they have their launchers there and
Speaker 7: they can set their minds from there, and.
Speaker 3: Whatever ship they don't like, they just went it.
Speaker 7: But the thing with the US is we don't have
Speaker 7: the enough capabilities to go ahead and cap those IRGC
Speaker 7: launching sites and to deter any interception of a mine
Speaker 7: or whatever, because it's so intricate and.
Speaker 3: So detailed, you just can't find them.
Speaker 7: So what the US is probably going to do is
Speaker 7: it's going to storm with you know, special operations, Navy Seals,
Speaker 7: Delta Force, in my opinion, to go in and take
Speaker 7: a few of these islands that are really you know,
Speaker 7: the tip of the spear for the Audians in this
Speaker 7: strategy and take control of them and then they'll set
Speaker 7: the toll.
Speaker 3: It'll be a quick, fast operation.
Speaker 7: But you know, there's no side that that's being cooked
Speaker 7: other than the fact that there's more US troops and
Speaker 7: assets and equipment being repositioned to the region.
Speaker 1: He's a Middle East analyst specializing in regional security and
Speaker 1: US foreign policies based out of DC. It's Abdulla Hyak
Speaker 1: on Scott's Loan Show this morning. I'm seven hundred wow
Speaker 1: inside nine hours now till Trump's ultimatum of basically wiping
Speaker 1: out an entire civilization. Was his last post on True
Speaker 1: Social last night. Oil Now, I believe it above one
Speaker 1: sixteen to a barrel of price of oil continues to
Speaker 1: go up. One of the things we attacked overnight to
Speaker 1: add to this is something called carg Island, which is
Speaker 1: it's kind of farther up from the Strait itself. It's
Speaker 1: part of it, but it's an important military and the
Speaker 1: oil installation there. What were the significance of that target.
Speaker 3: Well, that target is you know, both a gold mine
Speaker 3: and a land mine.
Speaker 7: Let's say harg Island is accounting for about ninety percent
Speaker 7: of all Iranian exports. It is, you know, the logistical
Speaker 7: hub for Iranian shipping. But yet again it's very well armed,
Speaker 7: it's very well fortified, and you know, it's a very
Speaker 7: big center of Iranian pride. If we're going to go
Speaker 7: ahead and take it, it has nothing to do with
Speaker 7: opening the Strait of Hormones because as you mentioned, it's
Speaker 7: about three hundred miles away from the Strait of Hormones.
Speaker 7: So what it's going to be is about crippling the
Speaker 7: Iranian economy. It's about choke holding the Iranians by the
Speaker 7: throat and you know, suffocating them economically and financing. So
Speaker 7: is it going to be possible that they we're going
Speaker 7: to do it. I think possibly yes, because unless they
Speaker 7: opened the Strait, which is a major concern for us,
Speaker 7: We're gonna go ahead and you know, take out the
Speaker 7: Harg Island for them because that's a mere conservative because
Speaker 7: that's one of the last lifelines they have.
Speaker 1: How much does that hurt their economy. They'll consider the
Speaker 1: fact that the Chinese are still getting their oil from Iran.
Speaker 7: Well, the Chinese, true, they get their oil from Iran,
Speaker 7: but like Iranian oil only accounts for like about ten
Speaker 7: to fifteen percent of all Chinese oil leads, whereas the Iranians,
Speaker 7: they're oil experts, exports, it's all forty five percent going to.
Speaker 3: China. So it's got to hurt Iran more than it's
Speaker 3: got to hurt China because China doesn't really depend that
Speaker 3: much on them.
Speaker 7: The Iranians, however, you know, they they they're going to
Speaker 7: realize that this is despite that low percentage of dependency
Speaker 7: by the Chinese on their oil, it's still got to
Speaker 7: set back relations with Asia as a whole because it
Speaker 7: doesn't just go to China. It goes to India, it
Speaker 7: goes to Korea, it goes to you know, the Southeast
Speaker 7: Asia countries a few So it's going to affect global
Speaker 7: economy and that's going to see Iran really isn't a
Speaker 7: reliable partner to deal business with because they're willing to,
Speaker 7: you know, put their own lives on the line and
Speaker 7: the lives of their own people and not depend the
Speaker 7: older shipping and all that, so why should they deal
Speaker 7: business with this?
Speaker 3: So it's going to be a setback for Iran, and
Speaker 3: I don't know what the endgame is.
Speaker 1: What role is there still for our allies here. Obviously
Speaker 1: most of the rest of that region, the Middle East
Speaker 1: doesn't want this going on, doesn't want a Ran doing
Speaker 1: what they're doing, certainly, and then of course us being
Speaker 1: a war with them. They want to sit back and
Speaker 1: continue to make their money unabated. And it seems like
Speaker 1: We've got a tremendous amount of goodwill built up in
Speaker 1: the Middle East. It would that be squandered if we
Speaker 1: did with Trump threatened snide at eight o'clock.
Speaker 7: Well, if the strike does proceed and the retaliation against
Speaker 7: the Allies and the region comes into reality, as I
Speaker 7: expect it would, yeah, it would affect the relationship with
Speaker 7: the guilt because the Golf are just sitting there and
Speaker 7: they haven't participated in this war what not one bit,
Speaker 7: and they're seeing that there's drones and missiles flying more
Speaker 7: into them than it is flying into Israel. For the record,
Speaker 7: since the war started, eighty seven percent of all Iranian
Speaker 7: launches have been targeted at the Gulf versus thirteen to Israel.
Speaker 7: So they're not gonna want to see this accelerate even
Speaker 7: more because they're not even in the war yet, and
Speaker 7: they know that even if they are forced into the war,
Speaker 7: the level of retaliation and launches against them are going
Speaker 7: to be even more higher. And they're going to see
Speaker 7: that the US really doesn't care about them because it's
Speaker 7: willing to put them in the line of fire for
Speaker 7: its own objective without really caring for us.
Speaker 1: Well, we Sawdbai under siege from drones, right, and that's
Speaker 1: part of that psychological warfare operation. You know, you're not
Speaker 1: wiping out entire buildings or entire complexes, but hell, if
Speaker 1: you can hit Dubai, you can hit pretty much anything
Speaker 1: else there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Devi is getting it hit hard the most.
Speaker 7: You know, device is getting one over a one billion
Speaker 7: dollar bill per day, Scott. They have hotel cancelations, flight cancelations,
Speaker 7: expats are leaving, rent isn't being paid, all the laborers
Speaker 7: are quitting their jobs. It's it's an economic training basically,
Speaker 7: and that's for the whole golf right now. So for
Speaker 7: for the Marathis in particular, which are getting hit hard
Speaker 7: the most. I think the Iranians want to go ahead
Speaker 7: and break the legend of the United albumriates that you
Speaker 7: know that it's a safe haven, that it's an investment haven,
Speaker 7: that you know expats can.
Speaker 3: Go ahead and have a new life.
Speaker 7: They're just jealous because right across the Gulf, the Golf
Speaker 7: have managed to transform a golf story into a success story, right,
Speaker 7: and they hate it that they've managed to do it
Speaker 7: successfully and they and they themselves, the Iranians failed much better,
Speaker 7: just you know, getting back at.
Speaker 1: Right much model level. That's why the Live Golf took
Speaker 1: They they you know, they've said a whale careful lose
Speaker 1: money for the next fifty years. We want to have
Speaker 1: that entertainment presence. We want to be an influencer in
Speaker 1: that regard with golf of all things. And this sets
Speaker 1: that whole thing back is. Look, it's very violent to
Speaker 1: live over there, to be over there anyway, and this
Speaker 1: is why all the tourist money's pulling out and other
Speaker 1: things as well. So as a solution, there are the
Speaker 1: other Gulf states, the ones that can figure out what
Speaker 1: to do between now at eight o'clock.
Speaker 3: No, no, the golf, the Golf's got to hold it
Speaker 3: out entirely.
Speaker 7: They know that the risks of interfering in the war
Speaker 7: are just tremendous given the fact that they're getting a
Speaker 7: hit without being in the war.
Speaker 3: So they're not going to risk it more.
Speaker 7: They're not going to risk more volleys of drones and
Speaker 7: missiles even more than what it is like now. What
Speaker 7: they're probably gonna do is they've got to pressure the US,
Speaker 7: you know, to really finish the job quickly and that
Speaker 7: they can go all go home.
Speaker 3: That's probably what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I asked, most people are handicapped this. The thing is,
Speaker 1: no one knows except maybe President Trump. What's going to
Speaker 1: happen at eight o'clock tonight, if anything, He's Abdulla Hyaki
Speaker 1: is based in the DC and Jones to show this
Speaker 1: morning on the Big Ones one hundred WW is our
Speaker 1: Middle East analysts and he specializes in regional security, US
Speaker 1: foreign policy. We'll see what happens tonight after eight o'clock. Abdullah,
Speaker 1: all the best. We'll check in again soon, thank you.
Speaker 3: I look forward to our next conversation.
Speaker 1: All the best. We got to get a news update
Speaker 1: and we'll reset this entire topic, of course, and then
Speaker 1: how this is influencing the markets of course not good today.
Speaker 1: I think the dow S and p et cetera. I
Speaker 1: saw they were off like three three point fifty something
Speaker 1: like that. It's going to get worse for it. It's
Speaker 1: better He puts all this in the financial perspective. Next
Speaker 1: on the show on seven hundred.
Speaker 9: WLW time to talk about money, how to make it,
Speaker 9: how to keep it, and how to keep others off
Speaker 9: your stash. This is all worth advice with Andy Shaeffer.
Speaker 1: Well, today's a big day, big day for everyone here
Speaker 1: in the world because eight o'clock tonight it's go time,
Speaker 1: says President Trump. Four hours at bombing. So eight to
Speaker 1: midnight is the slot he's got it scheduled. By the way,
Speaker 1: get a white ran off the face of the earth,
Speaker 1: or so, he says Andy Shaeffer. To put this in
Speaker 1: financial perspective, I'm sure the markets you act positively to that.
Speaker 1: What they I you know, the I may buy I
Speaker 1: move some positions to Google because you know it's gonna
Speaker 1: big Globe is really going to take the hit here,
Speaker 1: the Globe companies and map makers, the old school map
Speaker 1: makers out there. It's going to be troubling if Iran
Speaker 1: gets wiped off the face of the Earth, Google Maps,
Speaker 1: get a little bit of code there, no problem. But
Speaker 1: the Globe Company, the big globe manufacturers, you know that
Speaker 1: big one you got in your office there, Andy, Now
Speaker 1: you're going to have to get a new globe. What
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 10: Well, when I was little, I had this globe from
Speaker 10: my grandmother that actually had the imperialist countries in Africa, wow,
Speaker 10: years ago. And so I've always been a big fan
Speaker 10: of maps. But you know, there's a there's a lot
Speaker 10: of fear right now from investors to try to decipher,
Speaker 10: you know, what's going to happen. You know, within the
Speaker 10: next handful of hours. Today, you know, essentially three ports
Speaker 10: are is that we struck Carga Island uh in Iran,
Speaker 10: which is just off the West Bank in the Persian
Speaker 10: Gulf of Iran. And the the interesting thing about Cargo
Speaker 10: Island is ninety percent of their crude oil flows through that. Now,
Speaker 10: we hit military targets there last month, and it left
Speaker 10: the crude infrastructure intact.
Speaker 4: Now, if we were to seize.
Speaker 10: The loading terminals, the pipelines, the storage tanks, and carg
Speaker 10: that would suggest a significant escalation in the conflict. Furthermore,
Speaker 10: Donald Trump also said today that Hey, eight o'clock tonight,
Speaker 10: all hell's breaking loose.
Speaker 1: So let me jump in there. So eight o'clock tonight,
Speaker 1: let's say he goes, he goes all hell, he's gonna
Speaker 1: leash hell right, like the movie says, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I totally buy it, because it's Trump and he's
Speaker 1: waffled on this for so long. We don't know what
Speaker 1: the guy's thinking. And it seems like it's one minute night.
Speaker 1: So let's say, Okay, that's it. Fine, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: show me up, I'll show you. Takes out all the infrastructure,
Speaker 1: the bridge is, desalination plants, all the stuff we talked about.
Speaker 1: What happens market wise, well, I think that we.
Speaker 10: Could probably see a significant decline because that would even
Speaker 10: impact the transport of oil even more. And not only that,
Speaker 10: think about the costs that would go into rebuilding Iran.
Speaker 10: It's likely that we would have a big stake in
Speaker 10: that rebuilding, and it could take thirty to fifty years
Speaker 10: to get that infrastructure back to speed, so that could
Speaker 10: have an impact on the economy as well. But to
Speaker 10: your point, you know, Donald Trump has always used a
Speaker 10: negotiating tactic called pacing and leading. He will threaten the
Speaker 10: worst and usually come back to something that is reasonable.
Speaker 10: So there's a good chance that he might, you know,
Speaker 10: put a pause on the eight o'clock deadline tonight if
Speaker 10: he feels like there's some progress with the parliamentary leaders
Speaker 10: of Iran. It's interesting with his speech that he had yesterday.
Speaker 10: I read a little bit about it, and he said
Speaker 10: at one point they felt like they had a deal
Speaker 10: in place with Iran, and they waffled on it and
Speaker 10: you know, basically took it off the table. And so
Speaker 10: I think he's running out of patients. In addition to that,
Speaker 10: we're starting to see oil prices creep up to somewhere
Speaker 10: around one hundred and fifteen dollars per barrel. The time
Speaker 10: is running out on this conflict. If we continue to
Speaker 10: see prices go higher as far as the price of
Speaker 10: oil was concerned, and we start to reach over one
Speaker 10: hundred and twenty five dollars per barrel, that can have
Speaker 10: a significant impact on our economy. And so investors right
Speaker 10: now are looking at and saying, you know, is there
Speaker 10: a chance that we can get a deal done. I
Speaker 10: think Donald Trump realizes that we have to this has
Speaker 10: to come to some type of capitulation, you know, immediately
Speaker 10: one way or the other so that we can start
Speaker 10: to move forward. And so today's going to be an
Speaker 10: interesting day. I'm going to keep my eye on the
Speaker 10: news because things, you know, have been changing hourly and
Speaker 10: so there is a lot of concern out there. And
Speaker 10: that's why you likely you are going to see the
Speaker 10: markets fall today because of the fear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. Eight o'clock deadline tonight deal or
Speaker 1: a four hour blitz. It's going to blow everything up
Speaker 1: in Iran right now and bamba back to the Stone Age.
Speaker 1: This is what President Trump has said. Rebuilding's going to
Speaker 1: take like one hundred years. There's an issue of war
Speaker 1: crimes in there, and they'll move forward with that. But
Speaker 1: you know Iran, the revolutionary they said, look, the restraint
Speaker 1: is order. Now we're going to invade other countries. We're
Speaker 1: going to disrupt the original oil and gas supplies for
Speaker 1: years and years to come with acts of sabotage and
Speaker 1: everything else, and our soldiers will spill across the region.
Speaker 1: If if any of this happens tonight at eight o'clock
Speaker 1: or beyond, that also has a long term effect on
Speaker 1: the markets.
Speaker 10: I would think yeah, and I think that would be
Speaker 10: a miscalculation on Iran's part. You know, you're starting to
Speaker 10: see the other countries near the Persian Gulf that have
Speaker 10: been pretty significant allies with us and been vocal about
Speaker 10: it too in the past. You know, they may have quietly,
Speaker 10: you know, supported the moves that we've made over there,
Speaker 10: but I think the whole region understands that Iran is
Speaker 10: the primary destabilizing factor over there. And you know, whether
Speaker 10: it's UAE or whether it's Saudi Arabia, they have significant
Speaker 10: forces as well. You know, the missiles that the long
Speaker 10: range missiles that i RAN have are starting to dwindle.
Speaker 10: They probably have about half the amount that they had
Speaker 10: at the beginning of the conflict. So I think they're
Speaker 10: running out of straws or running out of ideas. And
Speaker 10: I think at some point, you know, maybe tonight, that
Speaker 10: we're going to see some type of you know, action
Speaker 10: that's going to wrap all.
Speaker 4: This up one way or the other.
Speaker 1: Because all these other countries outside, maybe a couple outside
Speaker 1: with Iran on this thing, they just they want to
Speaker 1: get back to making money, I mean, right, but but
Speaker 1: they are right now right with the cost of oil,
Speaker 1: word is, they're making more Saudi Arabis pull them in
Speaker 1: serious money. So they benefit by the strife, don't.
Speaker 4: They to some degree.
Speaker 10: But you also have to understand if you can't deliver
Speaker 10: that oil and people can't buy it. You know, Fortunately,
Speaker 10: here in the United States, we've ramped up our oil
Speaker 10: productions significantly six since nineteen eighty. You know, we used
Speaker 10: to produce maybe five billion barrels a day. We're now
Speaker 10: close to fifteen billion barrels today. And we're actually a
Speaker 10: net exporter of energy now as opposed to a net importer.
Speaker 10: And so while it does hurt us economically, it's hurting
Speaker 10: a lot of other nations more significantly, including China, including Russia.
Speaker 10: And so you know, everybody has a stake in this.
Speaker 10: You know, we are a global society, and I think
Speaker 10: that most of the other nations understand what our stance
Speaker 10: is here, and I think we have largely the support
Speaker 10: of the countries in that area.
Speaker 1: Here's another thing, Andy Shaffer, I think most people grasp,
Speaker 1: and it's a hard concept because you know, you go
Speaker 1: to the gas station, you put gas in your car,
Speaker 1: whatever cant of oil, whatever, But all the oil goes
Speaker 1: into a global supply. All that It's like it's like
Speaker 1: a hairy buffalo party. Everybody brings a bottle of percent in.
Speaker 1: It's all the same gas. But you know, largely it's
Speaker 1: kind of of course, there's different types of crude light, suee, crewed,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. One may just go, is is
Speaker 1: this the beginning? Where can we just live off our
Speaker 1: own oil? We don't have to import anything. Can we
Speaker 1: just turned quit participating in the global market and be isolationists?
Speaker 1: Who comes to our energy supply?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: No, we're worked decades away from being able to do
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 10: And the largely it has to do with the fact that, yes,
Speaker 10: we have a decent supply, but we haven't really tapped it.
Speaker 10: I mean, we have just really discovered the permium basin
Speaker 10: in recent history. Now it does seem based on some investigation,
Speaker 10: that that could be one of the biggest oil reserves
Speaker 10: in the world. But you also have to refine that oil,
Speaker 10: and we need the help of other nations to be
Speaker 10: able to refine that oil so that it can be
Speaker 10: used for everyday life. So no, we're all tied to this.
Speaker 10: We don't have the ability to be isolationists and just
Speaker 10: use our their own energy. And I don't think that's
Speaker 10: what anybody wants. I don't think that's what the Trump
Speaker 10: administration wants. I don't think that's good for the economy.
Speaker 10: And I think that we do want to get along
Speaker 10: with our neighbors and trade is important, and so you know,
Speaker 10: we're all tied together on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's because of that some point
Speaker 1: the other nations in the Middle East get together, and
Speaker 1: this could be a turning point in many ways where
Speaker 1: they're like, listen, Iran's really screwing this thing up, that
Speaker 1: they're the outlier here. We got to we got to
Speaker 1: do something about that. And maybe the United States, says
Speaker 1: our beckoning, but again, we're getting another messy war situation.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do this without boots on
Speaker 1: the ground at some point. If this is about getting
Speaker 1: the nukes out of there, you're going to have to
Speaker 1: do that. If it's about protecting the oil supply, you're
Speaker 1: going to need boots on the ground. This is something
Speaker 1: that's been going on for a long long time, certainly
Speaker 1: before Trump got here. He wants to end it. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the likelihood of that is, though.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I do think that the Trump administration feels right
Speaker 10: now though, that they've eliminated a lot of the leadership
Speaker 10: that poses the major threat. He has communicated that he
Speaker 10: feels like the leadership that is in place is more moderate.
Speaker 10: I think he believed that the Iranian people are more
Speaker 10: moderate and want this change, and so it is probable
Speaker 10: that we might see boots on the ground now. I
Speaker 10: do think it would probably be a limited amount of
Speaker 10: special Forces operations that would secure particular sites, including including
Speaker 10: oil reserves, refineries, those types of things. But at some
Speaker 10: point you're probably going to have some down there, and
Speaker 10: Americans generally don't want to see that happen, particularly after
Speaker 10: we go through what we went through in Iraq, what
Speaker 10: we went through in Afghanistan. Usually when you put boots
Speaker 10: on the ground and foreign soil, it doesn't turn out well,
Speaker 10: and real history always always suggests that as well. So
Speaker 10: you know, hopefully you know, it's nerve wracking, you know,
Speaker 10: And and the other thing is you don't want to
Speaker 10: see Iranian civilians suffer from all of this, and they're
Speaker 10: certainly going to and so you know, we're getting to
Speaker 10: the point of no return where I think decisive leadership
Speaker 10: needs to happen.
Speaker 4: It's I'm just not sure what that is exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the problem with we know what
Speaker 1: that leadership vacuum looks like. But and the longer this
Speaker 1: goes on, the more devastation there is, especially to desalization
Speaker 1: stations and infrastructure and we're talking electricity, the more hardship
Speaker 1: the Iranian people face. Who would be on our side,
Speaker 1: but if they live in squalor front of extended pier,
Speaker 1: they're going to turn against us. And that is another
Speaker 1: part of the problem for sure that we've seen repeat
Speaker 1: over and over and over when we get into conflicts
Speaker 1: like this, there's no doubt about it. Normally we look
Speaker 1: at the market Sandy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial and go, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, they're seemed pretty calm. They kind of
Speaker 1: know you guys, kind of as you said, we've got
Speaker 1: it banked in. We know what's going to happen. The
Speaker 1: problem here is nobody knows what's going to happen, and
Speaker 1: Wall Street is acting.
Speaker 10: Like, yeah, and you know, we've looked at jobs. You know,
Speaker 10: we did get a decent job reportance in. You know,
Speaker 10: in spite of all of this, we added one hundred
Speaker 10: and seventy eight thousand new jobs in March. That topped
Speaker 10: the estimates of about sixty five thousand, you know, but
Speaker 10: I think you also have to look under the hood.
Speaker 10: There a lot of those new jobs.
Speaker 4: Some of it is.
Speaker 10: Seasonal, you know, when we start hitting spring those types
Speaker 10: of things. We also saw more people spending. Healthcare rebounded
Speaker 10: as kis permanent, tas strike ended. You have weather sensitive
Speaker 10: categories that also snap back. Leisure and hospitality certainly benefit
Speaker 10: from that. Construction and transportation as well. So while the
Speaker 10: headline numbers look good from a labor market standpoint, you
Speaker 10: know a lot of that is seasonal, and so I
Speaker 10: think really what people are looking to right now is
Speaker 10: how is the FED going to react. We're actually going
Speaker 10: to get the Fed minutes on Wednesday. I'm always curious
Speaker 10: to see what Fed Shirman Powell has to say this
Speaker 10: press conference around two thirty. It does seem that, you know,
Speaker 10: this crisis in Iran, it is going to have an
Speaker 10: impact on inflation. It's possible that we could see a
Speaker 10: one percent increase in inflation, you know, from two and
Speaker 10: a half percent to three and a half percent. But
Speaker 10: the core inflation is really what's most important. That excludes
Speaker 10: food and energy, and the FED doesn't likes that information
Speaker 10: a lot better than the full inflation report because they
Speaker 10: don't feel like they have an effect on food and
Speaker 10: energy prices.
Speaker 4: But that's still going to probably tick up.
Speaker 10: Zero point three percent or so from you know, two
Speaker 10: point four percent to two point seven percent. So we
Speaker 10: are starting to see this actually have an impact on inflation.
Speaker 10: And I think what that's going to do is it's
Speaker 10: going to cause the FED to pause even further. You know,
Speaker 10: previously I thought that it's likely that we could see
Speaker 10: another cut in June. The way that the market is
Speaker 10: pricing in things right now, it's likely we don't see
Speaker 10: a cut throughout the end of the year, but you know,
Speaker 10: that can change at any minute.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, As we've seen in the past, and I know
Speaker 1: too about core inflation, food and energy prices are not
Speaker 1: part of that. But with the surgeon oil prices, we're
Speaker 1: going to see consumer prices spike against probably for this
Speaker 1: month and beyond.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Isn't that funny how the Fed, you know, kind of
Speaker 10: blows that those two areas off and everyday Americans are like, man,
Speaker 10: I mean, am I not am I not going to eat?
Speaker 10: Am I not going to go to one out, you know,
Speaker 10: and so you know, it hits American citizens hard. And
Speaker 10: so while the FED doesn't believe that, you know, it
Speaker 10: has a major impact on the economy, you know, I
Speaker 10: beg to differ. I mean, it's hard out there for
Speaker 10: a lot of people. And if you know, if you're
Speaker 10: struggling and you live to paycheck to payche and seventy
Speaker 10: percent of the American citizens due this is a problem.
Speaker 10: And I think from a political standpoint, the Trump administration
Speaker 10: knows that too, especially with elections coming up soon.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot at stake. These are very big decisions.
Speaker 10: Hopefully it works out for the best, not only for
Speaker 10: the United States, but for the citizens of Iran and
Speaker 10: around the world.
Speaker 4: But this is I think this is a critical moment
Speaker 4: in history.
Speaker 1: Up till about eight o'clock tonight, things that that will change.
Speaker 1: After eight o'clock. Maybe things actually look pretty good, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, there are some economical releases that came out
Speaker 1: this week that said the economy's on pretty solid ground.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 10: We saw the ISM Manufacturing Survey that's the Institute for
Speaker 10: Supply Management that revealed that we're continuing to grow, and
Speaker 10: that was the third consecutive month expansion, and manufacturing has
Speaker 10: continued to grow. A lot of that has to do
Speaker 10: with production and new orders, and I think that is
Speaker 10: reflective of you know, the FED basically dismissing the trade
Speaker 10: wars that we had last April. Now, there was some
Speaker 10: issues as far as contraction and manufacturing, but it seems
Speaker 10: to have rebounded, so that's been positive. We also saw
Speaker 10: retail sales jump about point six percent of February. Spending
Speaker 10: increased across most retail categories. Online spending, auto deal dealerships,
Speaker 10: and healthcare stores all increased significantly. Jobless claims continue to
Speaker 10: come in very low, despite heavy layoffs, particularly in the
Speaker 10: technology sector. So you know, again it's all pretty lukewarm.
Speaker 10: It's it's decent, it's not great, but our economy still
Speaker 10: remains pretty resilient.
Speaker 1: All right, this is as close to panic as Andy
Speaker 1: Schaeffer gets it. All work financial we'll find all time,
Speaker 1: maybe time again this time tomorrow. We'll see how we're looking.
Speaker 1: But who the hell knows. Yeah, it might have come
Speaker 1: over the deal as we're talking right now. Again that
Speaker 1: that feels like light years away, the way things work
Speaker 1: these days. Andy over at all Worth, as I said,
Speaker 1: there's show simply money. There's at six on fifty five
Speaker 1: k RZ. And he jumps in every Tuesday with a
Speaker 1: little financial tune up. Perfect timing today, Andy, if you
Speaker 1: got suspenders, I'd put them on today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe we're talking in tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Well put the suspenders on. God knows what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Helmets are on. It's all said, appreciate you, Thanks, Okay,
Speaker 1: Scott all right. News on the Way will continue to follow,
Speaker 1: of course. The big story today. What the hell is
Speaker 1: gonna happen in Iran tonight? Who gets to blink? Who's
Speaker 1: gonna blink? Willie. We'll pick it up next at the
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