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Speaker 3: Welcome back, Final hour nine to noon here at TCO Studios.

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Speaker 3: Thanks again, Quasi Adolfa Mensa Vikings general manager for sub

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Speaker 3: and in XES and O's with head coach Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 2: Good conversation last segment.

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Speaker 2: We open the show. Where your home for Vikings football?

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Speaker 3: Obviously we're you're home for Wild Hockey the fan trying

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Speaker 3: to effort as of now, hoping John Hines, head coach

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Speaker 3: of the Wednesday Christmas Eve feast tomorrow at buffaloild Wings

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Speaker 3: in Roseville. But to that end, we're also your home

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Speaker 3: for Timberwolves basketball. The Wolves hosting the Knicks tonight, an

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Speaker 3: undermanned operation fresh off the Big Cup last week. The

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Speaker 3: Knicks are going to be without Jalen Brunson tonight, O

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Speaker 3: related bits, but all the same, Kat Josh Hart. Most

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Speaker 3: of the Knicks will be on the hardwood tonight against

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Speaker 3: against your Timberwolves winners eight of ten, most recently a

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Speaker 3: dub over the Milwaukee Bucks. So a chance for Anthony

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Speaker 3: Edwards and those at Target Center tonight to find another win.

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Speaker 3: To open the show, if you did miss it, we

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Speaker 3: weekly basis nine to noon. He chatted with with Pa

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Speaker 3: to open the show, and he kicked things off like

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Speaker 3: PA's like, hey, you know these Knicks tonight should be

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Speaker 3: a dinger, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll look forward to it. And one of the

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Speaker 4: one of the top teams in the league. They're coming

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Speaker 4: off with cup their Cup victory the other day, playing

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Speaker 4: you know, a really hard team to to guard.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're they're gonna sit Jalen Brunson this evening with

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Speaker 5: ankle management. How do you think that changes the game.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, of course, like, uh, you know, he's

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Speaker 4: such a phenomenal player and he's been such an excellent

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Speaker 4: closing minutes of games. Certainly they're engine but they're they're

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Speaker 4: twelve and seven without them in the last two years.

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Speaker 4: That's a pretty good, pretty good percentage of wins there.

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Speaker 4: And they got a lot of talented players. We know,

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Speaker 4: Cats still a threat. They played with great connectivity on offense,

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean there's always a lot of attention

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Speaker 5: Did you did you happen to see Adlman Saturday night?

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Speaker 5: He got mad Saturday night like you did Friday night?

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Speaker 4: And we've all been around the league. We know what

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Speaker 5: Night Friday night, when you were walking away by the bench,

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Speaker 5: did did somebody yell something at you?

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Speaker 5: Because I you know, I I know the officials, you know,

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Speaker 4: Oh oh about no, Actually, what I so generally like

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Speaker 5: And I know you were fined, but but did you

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Speaker 4: Well any any disciplinary process. The League has a uh

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Speaker 4: I spoke to the league after the fine was issued.

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Speaker 2: They got to that to that number, that level of fine.

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Speaker 4: So there's an open dialogue. But the reality is the

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Speaker 5: So and the fine was thirty five k. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Did you expect it to be for Toyota Prius? Did

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Speaker 4: No, I mean president was, it's generally it was. I

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Speaker 5: Chris Finch, coach of the Minnesota Timberwolfs courtesy of Second

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Speaker 5: that victory Friday night against Oklahoma City, seriously, man, good

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Speaker 5: work by your staff. I mean, because we're six minutes

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Speaker 5: Oka cs on the other side of the gym. What what?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 2: What are some.

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Speaker 5: Things they did that you liked over the course of

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, we got I got a great staff,

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Speaker 4: I trust our guys one hundred percent to be able

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Speaker 5: So when you when you were watching the final three

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Speaker 4: But the guys, like I said, did a really good

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Speaker 5: Well, the I mean the foul on Edwards and that

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Speaker 2: Was it just just a bad moment?

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Speaker 4: we've had those conversations countless times, and but quite honestly,

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Speaker 4: I find those equally frustrating.

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Speaker 5: So right, I wonder if Friday night and Saturday night

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Speaker 7: How you doing, man? I am doing well. Just got

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Speaker 3: there are measurable moments that we're seeing. We got to

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Speaker 3: none of it matters.

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Speaker 7: That's correct. I mean the throw to Addison certainly is

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Speaker 3: We are continuing to evaluate the hand. Yeah, we just

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Speaker 3: What what did you think about? I mean Max comes

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Speaker 3: we saw in Seattle for for the former Gopher.

437
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Speaker 4: Uh.

438
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Speaker 3: But but he made a couple of throws and you

439
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Speaker 3: know when when when he was with the Gophers and

440
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Speaker 3: I think it was PJ. Fleck and and he again

441
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Speaker 3: terminology and bits they're endless. But but PJ was like,

442
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Speaker 3: he's a kid that fails fast and learns even faster.

443
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Speaker 2: Think I'm kind of paraphrasing for the coach.

444
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Speaker 3: I don't want to. I mean, I don't I don't

445
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Speaker 3: want to mix up the poetry with PJ. Fleck, But

446
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Speaker 3: it was something of that nature where this is a

447
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Speaker 3: kid that takes the l's but then he doesn't make

448
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Speaker 3: the same types of mistakes twice.

449
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Speaker 2: Yeah, small sample size. I thought he made some.

450
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Speaker 3: He had some good moments against allbe it certainly a

451
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Speaker 3: I mean just a hideous Giants team.

452
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Speaker 7: Yeah, the hideous Giants team that certainly had a secondary

453
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Speaker 7: that could be paid done if you had opportunities to

454
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Speaker 7: do it. That front was a lot to deal with,

455
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Speaker 7: and I think they especially with the offensive line health

456
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Speaker 7: issues that they had. Again, they had some struggles with

457
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Speaker 7: that at times against the Giants. But yes, when Brosmer

458
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Speaker 7: had time and largely I think was able to make

459
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Speaker 7: a lot of things happen in the way that he

460
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Speaker 7: did not in the first game. I thought he looked

461
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Speaker 7: a lot better. I mean this road to Justin Jefferson

462
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Speaker 7: for twenty one yards in the third and seventeen.

463
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Speaker 2: That was nice. That was very well done.

464
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Speaker 7: I mean Jefferson said after the game that he put

465
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Speaker 7: it in a perfect spot. He said he threw a

466
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Speaker 7: perfect ball. That was one of those that I mean,

467
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Speaker 7: Jefferson makes a great catch to come down with it.

468
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Speaker 7: But it was an inverted cover to where like the

469
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Speaker 7: safety came up and played the flat in the corner,

470
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Speaker 7: took the deep half and Brosmer sees it still realizes

471
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Speaker 7: I can put the ball kind of in that that

472
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Speaker 7: corner spot where you like to go on a cover two.

473
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Speaker 7: Puts it where only Jefferson can catch it. And Jefferson

474
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Speaker 7: makes a great catch as we've seen him do, where

475
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Speaker 7: he lays out, is able to come down with it

476
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Speaker 7: and still get his feet down. You know, the whole

477
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Speaker 7: thing was extremely well done.

478
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Speaker 2: So if you're.

479
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Speaker 7: Making those types of throw you need to see it

480
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Speaker 7: more consistently. But that play set up the field goal

481
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Speaker 7: that won the game. So you know, when you're coming

482
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Speaker 7: off of a shutout, progress is a good thing.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we certainly saw some of that with him

484
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Speaker 2: on Sunday. Any type of production helps.

485
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Speaker 3: Now, you know this this team and sadly it's silver

486
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Speaker 3: lining season for a seven win team that's not going

487
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Speaker 3: to be in the postseason, but this time of year,

488
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 3: we've seen it again that they've won three in a row.

489
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Speaker 3: Kind of the idea of wow, it's great that they

490
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Speaker 3: these guys keep coming out with that fire. These guys

491
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Speaker 3: keep coming out and giving their role, despite the fact

492
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Speaker 3: that the ultimate carrot it will not be at the

493
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Speaker 3: end of that stick. Look a been thing with the hand.

494
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Speaker 3: I mean, it kind of feels like, I mean, I'm

495
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Speaker 3: curious to see how the coach handles it today because

496
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Speaker 3: for me, I've wanted if he can play, I've wanted

497
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Speaker 3: McCarthy out there to get all those reps, get all

498
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Speaker 3: those snaps. We want to answer questions. But there's part

499
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Speaker 3: of me that also says, at this stage, guys, we

500
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Speaker 3: might just need to put this thing to rest. Yeah, yeah,

501
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of that that goes into it.

502
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Speaker 3: And I go back to earlier in the year when

503
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Speaker 3: they weren't playing him because he wasn't fully healthy. I

504
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Speaker 3: would think that they're going to be cautious with him

505
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Speaker 3: in the long term setting, and if that means not

506
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Speaker 3: putting him back out there this week, I would bet

507
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Speaker 3: that's how they're going to go. Because the other thing

508
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: you have to think about is Christian Dara saw a

509
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 3: shutdown for the year. Now, I think Justin School has

510
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: filled in more consistently the last couple of weeks than

511
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Speaker 3: we've seen him do throughout the year.

512
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Speaker 2: He was a little bit better than he was the

513
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Speaker 2: first couple of weeks of the season. Certainly.

514
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we're not necessarily clearing the highest bar there, but

515
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 7: it's been a little bit better that way. But then

516
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 7: you have Ryan Kelly again in a concussion protocol, and

517
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Speaker 7: I can't imagine he plays no Thursdays they unless we

518
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Speaker 7: find out something about how he's well. He who would

519
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 7: have been listed as a DMP yesterday. So I would

520
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Speaker 7: think that he is in fact in the protocol officially.

521
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Speaker 7: We'll get the language from that on Kevin from Kevin

522
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Speaker 7: O'Connell later. But when you had that, you have have

523
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Speaker 7: Brian O'Neil working through a heel injury, playing through things.

524
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 7: Your offensive line is once again not in a great spot.

525
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 7: So yeah, I would think this week especially, it's probably

526
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Speaker 7: more likely Max Brosmer, because I just don't think you

527
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Speaker 7: want to The other thing at this point of the

528
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Speaker 7: year is you don't want to have guys sustain injuries

529
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Speaker 7: that mean they're rehabbing well into the offseason and can't

530
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Speaker 7: get ready for twenty twenty six on the timeframe that

531
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Speaker 7: they would like. That's part of the reason I think

532
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Speaker 7: they shut Christian darrisaw down is let's not make this

533
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Speaker 7: an issue into twenty twenty six. And I don't think

534
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Speaker 7: there was. There was not a new injury. To my understanding,

535
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 7: it was you know, swelling and sonas and things he's

536
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Speaker 7: still working through. But they wanted to say, let's hit

537
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Speaker 7: the reset button and let's make this not a problem,

538
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 7: rather than having something that may linger. So I think

539
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 7: all of that, you could make the argument that McCarthy

540
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 7: would be better off just kind of shutting it down.

541
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Speaker 7: But then the problem with that becomes you or your

542
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 7: sample size is not big enough. No, and the durability

543
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 7: question is not solved to a degree that you can say, yeah,

544
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 7: we know exactly what we have going into twenty six.

545
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Speaker 3: I think this is potentially I mean, I hate to

546
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 3: be doom and gloom. I love this is my team.

547
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 3: I want them to win every game. This feels in

548
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 3: some ways like worst case scenario, if that makes sense,

549
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: from the standpoint that, yes, you're ending this season the

550
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: way we had spoken about it, especially once he came

551
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: back in that Lions game and then sadly had to

552
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 3: miss with a concussion, and such was let's get you know,

553
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 3: twelve thirty or whatever it was going to be eleven

554
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 3: twelve starts and then by the end of that to

555
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: have a definitive answer, not that he's going to be

556
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: at the elite upper echelon or the bottom of the barrel,

557
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 3: but just that this thing could potentially work, that it's

558
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 3: going to be better in week eighteen than it was

559
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: in week nine, and you're potentially leaving here.

560
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: Now with no answer to that question.

561
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: You appreciate those two and a half games, but the

562
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: lack of durability and the lack of reps at a

563
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 3: high level is going to send you into an off

564
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 3: season where you're going to be doing podcasts and writing

565
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: articles about it. You're checking to see how much mac

566
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: Jones is going to be making or what the trade

567
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 3: equity would be to acquire him and other various veterans. Hey,

568
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: how's that shoulder going with Carson Wentz? I wonder what's

569
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: up with him? Hey Daniel Jones, how's the Achilles recovery?

570
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 3: And I do in fairness, I think no matter. I mean,

571
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Speaker 3: if he's healthy through these final two here and through

572
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 3: last week in the second half, I think they're still

573
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 3: vetering QB conversations. But the lack of an answer is

574
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: really in some ways hyperbolic, maybe devastating in terms of

575
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: going into this offseason not having an answer.

576
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Speaker 7: Yeah, because it means that a team that has cap issues,

577
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 7: a team that has to make a lot of decisions

578
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 7: about the finances heading into twenty twenty six, has to

579
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 7: think about how much money do we allocate towards the

580
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 7: quarter of position you would like to be going into

581
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 7: twenty twenty six, saying we don't need to worry about that.

582
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 7: We have a young quarterback that we know is moving

583
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 7: in the right direction. He's our guy. We've seen enough

584
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 7: consistency to say, yes, we can continue to build this

585
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 7: thing around him. He's affordable for another two years, maybe

586
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 7: three if you consider the fifth year option to be affordable,

587
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 7: and you don't have to worry about staffing that position

588
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 7: in a way that may lead to somebody else coming

589
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 7: in to start the if we end up, if we

590
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Speaker 7: end this thing here, I don't know that you can

591
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 7: go into twenty twenty six and do that. I mean

592
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Speaker 7: if you decide to do that, I think you are,

593
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 7: you know, playing a little bit of the hope as

594
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 7: a strategy game. And I don't know that they want

595
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 7: to do that, especially when a lot of this roster

596
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 7: is not set up at this point with a ton

597
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 7: of financial flexibility to go out and add to it

598
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 7: and fix things if you are paying another quarterback. So

599
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 7: I mean, there are ways to figure that out. You know,

600
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Speaker 7: There's there's a number of buttons Rob Razinski can push financially,

601
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 7: as he is so adept at doing to fix some

602
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 7: of these things. But they're not in a situation where

603
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 7: going out to compete for a top dollar quarterback is

604
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 7: terribly financially viable. So you know, that is the fact

605
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 7: that we're going to have to look at that at all.

606
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 7: Is not a great time for them to want to

607
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Speaker 7: do that, given where they're set up financially and given

608
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Speaker 7: where they hoped to be kind of building around you

609
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 7: on quarterback at this point, let's.

610
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Speaker 3: Pause there because I have a couple of questions down

611
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: that road in terms of because it's tough team seven

612
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: and eight, we got to and we have some things

613
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Speaker 3: to do this offseason in spring and in the end

614
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Speaker 3: We're also looking at a Christmas Day festivity that includes

615
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Speaker 3: the Detroit Lions, who in some ways, I mean, what

616
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Speaker 3: a difference a year makes. Right, a year ago, we're

617
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Speaker 3: talking prime time one seeds on the line, and now

618
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Speaker 3: both teams ones already drowned and the other one is

619
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Speaker 3: fighting and gasping for air for their.

620
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Speaker 7: Playoff life as well. Got Cats and Dogs at US

621
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Speaker 7: Bank Stadium on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Ben Gaslin in studio at TCO Studios here An Egan

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Speaker 1: Arkital foul clipping, Personal foul clipping, Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Final segment nine to noon. We were just talking to

632
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Speaker 3: just the other day. I think I was talking about

633
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Speaker 3: it on Fanline. The four greatest third round picks, Oh yeah,

634
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: in the history of Vikings football. Patrick Jones found his

635
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: way in a contract year. Kellen mand struggled, Wyatt Davis

636
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: the Big ten offensive lineman of the Year the year prior,

637
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Speaker 3: sadly he had his struggles, and I think Chess a

638
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Speaker 3: rat maybe, yeah.

639
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: Chess Raute was the fourth That.

640
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Speaker 3: Was the four best third round picks history of the

641
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Speaker 3: NFL draft for your favorite football team. Standard heating and

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Speaker 3: air is what puts mister Geslin in TCO studios here.

643
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: He's going to talk to the head coach around twelve fifty,

644
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: probably won't talk about these sorts of things at least today.

645
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: With Christmas just about forty eight hours from now, they'll

646
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: be preparing.

647
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Speaker 2: To battle the kiddies. When do you start in earnest?

648
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: Because it's you know, your schedule, it's it's it's gamers,

649
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: it's interviews, it's pressers, it's podcasts. But there is some

650
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: ten thousand foot view related things about a team that

651
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: it was talked about years ago.

652
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: We're going to you know what competitive rebuild? What does

653
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Speaker 2: that look like?

654
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Speaker 3: We're gonna get younger and more financially flexible. At some

655
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Speaker 3: point you're just going to have to turn on a

656
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Speaker 3: dime bend and start looking at Okay, well, we're definitely

657
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: not financially flexible right now, and so where how much

658
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: does this guy make? What's the lever that this guy

659
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Speaker 3: can pull? And you talk about mister Brazinski and the

660
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: magician that he truly is, He's got a lot.

661
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Speaker 2: Of work to do, you know.

662
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Speaker 3: Jalen Naylor is somebody that we've been talking about here,

663
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Speaker 3: Pa and I have and Jalen really the Jalens as

664
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Speaker 3: as Pa put it with with Quacy last hour. Just

665
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: two very interesting names in terms of what their future

666
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Speaker 3: is with this team, how much money that potentially garners,

667
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Speaker 3: how important they are. Redmond for me is a guy

668
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: that like, if you can find any way to bring

669
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Speaker 3: this guy back, I just love this guy's hunger and

670
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: his production on the team. Nayler's a little trickier for me,

671
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 3: but but at some point you're gonna have to start

672
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Speaker 3: going down that list, Ben and start picking and choosing

673
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Speaker 3: and prognosticating into the offseason.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that is that is certainly going to happen sooner

675
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 7: than later. Probably already has for me in a sense,

676
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Speaker 7: And that's never really far from my mind because I

677
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 7: if I bring anything to the table on this in

678
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 7: this beat, it's the cap geek with the rusty accounting

679
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 7: degree that I never really used for things other than

680
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 7: talking about NFL salary cap stuffing from the Carlson School

681
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 7: of Management that I basically used to talk about biking

682
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 7: salary cap stuff I yes, they have a lot of

683
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 7: things to figure out, and I'm tap dancing here in

684
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Speaker 7: part to try and remember you have a spreadsheet open.

685
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 7: I do have a spreadsheet open. I'm trying to remember.

686
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Speaker 7: If Jalen Redmond I believe he will be it's some

687
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 7: like exclusively exclusive rights. I think that's exactly it. So

688
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 7: that won't cost the much to keep him for next year,

689
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 7: but Jalen Naylor certainly will, and that's going to be

690
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 7: one of those that I'm not sure they're going to

691
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 7: have the money to do much with it, because I

692
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 7: know there are feelings in this building about, hey, he's

693
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 7: had enough of a year that somebody's going to say, yeah,

694
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 7: this is a guy that could probably do a little

695
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 7: bit more, And if he gets a decent contract on

696
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 7: the market, you may not be able to bring him back,

697
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 7: especially depending on what you want to do with you know,

698
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Speaker 7: there's going to be a fifth year option discussion on Jordanatison.

699
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 7: I would imagine they'll pick that up, and you're going

700
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 7: to have a lot of other decisions to make financially,

701
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 7: so it may not put them in a position to

702
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 7: bring him back after he's had a nice year and

703
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 7: probably will attract some attention. I think the question would

704
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 7: be what team picks him up? Is it somebody in

705
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Speaker 7: the division that also may need a receiver. I mean,

706
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 7: you can go down the list of teams in this

707
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 7: division that he may be a good fit for.

708
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: You know, it was possible. It goes there need a receiver.

709
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 3: Now the Packers have five or six number one receivers

710
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: according to their own head coach, I guess aman Rod

711
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 3: jmo in Detroit. Adunza basically never plays anymore with this injury,

712
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: but he's back on the field.

713
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: DJ Moore.

714
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Speaker 3: Kind of tough, tougher year for yeah, the second year

715
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: with Kleb kind of a tough season for him. The

716
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Speaker 3: one thing I think about when I think about Jalen,

717
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 3: and this isn't fair to Jalen by the way, So

718
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 3: Jalen Naylor, I like him. I think a little bit

719
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Speaker 3: about kJ Osbourne. So kJ Osborne was a guy that

720
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 3: I mean, just hard hat and the lunch pail man.

721
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: He did whatever you asked him to do, whether it

722
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: was special teams, he had to find his way onto

723
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Speaker 3: the field and really work for it behind other receivers.

724
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Speaker 3: He leaves in free agency and it was a great

725
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Speaker 3: moment for him, a chance to make some real Uh

726
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: you know, I guess NFL money right. He gets in

727
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: and then he disappeared and he couldn't get on the

728
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: field with a wide receiver, needy wide receiver. Poor Patriots

729
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 3: team bounced around. Maybe it was with like Washington or something. Yeah,

730
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: there's just a little element like we fall in love, like,

731
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Speaker 3: you know what I'd like for our draft picks. I

732
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Speaker 3: want our draft picks just to play well for those

733
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Speaker 3: first four years, like if we can get to that stage.

734
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Speaker 3: But it seems sometimes like we really fall in love

735
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: with the names we know, and that's just it's not

736
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Speaker 3: fair to Jalen. Jalen's had one hell of a season.

737
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: Just kJ Osborne and just falling too much in love

738
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Speaker 3: with our draft picks worries me.

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Speaker 7: Sometimes that's fair and I think that, I mean, you

740
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 7: hit on something there that is kind of the life

741
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 7: blood of the NFL. If you can get players in

742
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 7: those first four years that produce and are young and cheap.

743
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Speaker 7: It is a lot easier to build a team that

744
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 7: has enough depth to succeed consistently. And then the question

745
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 7: always becomes do you give a player a second contract?

746
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Speaker 7: You want to be in position, as harsh as it sounds,

747
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 7: you want to be in a position to tell some

748
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Speaker 7: of those players, at least some of them, not all some, hey,

749
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Speaker 7: it's been a great run. We're grateful for what you

750
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 7: did here. We wish you the best on the open market,

751
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 7: but we don't really have the capacity to pay you,

752
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 7: which really means we don't need to because we have

753
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Speaker 7: another guy coming behind you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So, I mean ty Felton would be certainly a name

756
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 7: that would make this easier for them, and I know

757
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 7: internally they have some optimism about what he can be,

758
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 7: but we haven't seen it during the season. So you

759
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 7: want to be in a position where you can tell

760
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Speaker 7: Jalen Naylor, hey, you know, go out and get your money,

761
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 7: go out and get your bag somewhere. But it's probably

762
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Speaker 7: not going to be here because we've got Justin Jefferson paid,

763
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Speaker 7: We've got other places where we're going to commit, and

764
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Speaker 7: we've got people coming behind you. I mean, that is

765
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Speaker 7: where you end up in a tricky spot cap wise,

766
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Speaker 7: because you don't have that supply of draft picks that

767
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Speaker 7: have produced at that level where you say we're comfortable here.

768
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 7: So it's what makes Jalen Redman an important piece because

769
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Speaker 7: when you're making decisions on guys like Javon Hargrave, which

770
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Speaker 7: is that's a bigger decision than Jonathan Allen because of

771
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Speaker 7: the finances of it.

772
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Speaker 2: But yeah, a.

773
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Speaker 7: Guy like Jalen Redman makes it maybe a little easier

774
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 7: to say, you know what, we're okay here, and you

775
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 7: need more opportunities like that where it's we feel good

776
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 7: enough about this guy playing a larger role that we

777
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 7: don't need to say yes to every veteran because that's

778
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 7: where you get in a tough spot. I mean, we

779
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 7: talked a lot at the end of the previous regime

780
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 7: about the lack of a middle class on this roster.

781
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 7: It was top heavy with Kirk and Feelin and Cook

782
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 7: and all the guys on defense that Zimmer wanted to

783
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 7: keep around, and then you had draft picks that hadn't

784
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Speaker 7: really become that two to three million dollar player.

785
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Speaker 3: He was never able to replace him, right right, you

786
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: could have twenty seventeen greatness, so he had on defense,

787
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 3: he was never able to fill in the gaps as

788
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Speaker 3: they got older.

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Speaker 2: And that team was.

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Speaker 7: Great because the twenty fifteen draft was an unqualified home run. Yes,

791
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 7: that draft, they hit a gold mine. And then year three,

792
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 7: all those guys are producing. Look lo and behold. They

793
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 7: have a team that's good enough to go to the

794
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Speaker 7: NFC Title Game. And I will mention about that team.

795
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Speaker 7: They did not have a perfect run with injuries. They

796
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Speaker 7: lost their quarterback right they're running back towards acl Week

797
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 7: four against the Giants. Yeah, and they were healthy largely

798
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 7: other than that. But they survived the Dalvin Cook thing

799
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Speaker 7: because they had Jerck McKinnon. They had Latavius Murray, who

800
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 7: was a sensible free agent pickup. They were able to

801
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 7: build a tandem. They had case Keenum to come in.

802
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 7: I mean, and that's just names a pick that's a

803
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 7: pickup off the free agent market. But they had guys

804
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 7: that helped them with stand some injuries. Tom Johnson is

805
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 7: a free agent pickup too, So it's not just draft picks.

806
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 7: But you had guys in early in their contracts that

807
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 7: gave you financial flexibility. You had starters still not making

808
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 7: big money. Although those guys got paid later and that

809
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 7: became kind of the downfall. But the fact that that

810
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 7: draft in twenty fifteen produced what it did and that

811
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Speaker 7: team goes to the NFC title game two years later,

812
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 7: those things are not unrelated, and you need drafts like

813
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 7: that to help the success be sustainable.

814
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Speaker 3: Final thing, just a minute and change maybe left probably

815
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: the final two games for hit Man, I.

816
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Speaker 7: Would think, I mean, you never know with him because

817
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 7: the last couple off seasons.

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Speaker 3: It's just going to celebrate every moment in the next

819
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 3: two weeks just in case.

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Speaker 7: That one's going to be really hard for me because

821
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 7: he came in as a rookie. His rookie year was

822
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Speaker 7: my first year on the beat. So I've done this

823
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Speaker 7: whole thing, covering him the whole way through. He's the

824
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 7: last guy in this building by a few months that's

825
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 7: been here longer than I have. In fact, the day

826
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Speaker 7: he was drafted was the day I became a dad.

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Speaker 7: So he and I have talked about this over the

828
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Speaker 7: years that I know exactly the day he was drafted

829
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Speaker 7: was April twenty six, twenty twelve. It's not hard for

830
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 7: me to remember. And now we're like two old guys

831
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 7: just wondering when the time went. But I would imagine

832
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 7: this is probably it. He's he's I've walked out of

833
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 7: the locker room the last two years thinking it was over,

834
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Speaker 7: and I don't know if it'll go that way or

835
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Speaker 7: if he'll say I want to come back. I would

836
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Speaker 7: tend to think this is it. But yeah, you have

837
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Speaker 7: to appreciate it. A guy that is one of a

838
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 7: kind as a player, one of a kind as a character,

839
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Speaker 7: and it's certainly been a blast to cover.

840
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Speaker 2: Thanks for hanging out today, man, sure, man, that's a

841
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,360
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844
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