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Speaker 2: But the Trump administration is really helping them now with manpower,

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Speaker 2: Well for the foreseeable future. I am at Caro level.

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Speaker 1: Louer Goose. We'll get a pause in Louis in about

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Speaker 3: Percent chance you watch the Wolves game tonight at ten o'clock,

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Speaker 3: In fact, like everybody's on board, even like a baby

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Speaker 1: This, that's outstanding. What do you think the odds? If they?

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Speaker 1: for his own opinion. Part of it was, well, where

434
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Speaker 1: were you on domestic abuse issues? Where were you on this? This?

435
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: This is this example which I didn't I don't think

436
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: is a very good argument, because we get into that

437
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: mode of who decides that's again, that's more of a

438
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: purity test where you're going, who decides how many different

439
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: part kinds of subjects that you are obligated to discuss

440
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: on any issue. I mean, he has a right to

441
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: that opinion. I would say you have a right to

442
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: disagree with him. But everything I think we've been led

443
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: to believe is that at the very best, this is

444
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: an this would be an uncomfortable union. Right of of

445
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: that that you know doesn't perhaps convey the best message

446
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: if you believe in general that you are then participating

447
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: in or tacitly endorsing objectification. Now you can say, well,

448
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: the leagues, they're frauds on this, how they decide what

449
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: they go after what they don't. And then there are

450
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Speaker 1: examples of domestic abuse brought up, but I'm not sure.

451
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean, in many of those cases players have been suspended,

452
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: the league has acted. In this case, I'm assuming part

453
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: of the reason Cornette was bringing up was nobody was

454
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: acting on it, or nobody even seemed to be discussing it.

455
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: So you tell me again, I don't have I don't

456
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Speaker 1: know that I would even have known about this. He

457
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: became though, but the Lightning Rod guy, and he's sort

458
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: of been dismissed because, let's face it, he's white. That's

459
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: part of the reason, if we're being honest, he's being dismissed.

460
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: And he doesn't know anything about He never played there,

461
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't know anything about the culture there, he's never

462
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Speaker 1: been there. I'll ask again, if if is it good,

463
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Speaker 1: it can be so it can be grandfathered in just

464
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Speaker 1: in the basis of tradition. Is it as simple as

465
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,719
Speaker 1: that in one city as opposed to another. Is there

466
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Speaker 1: any chance? What would be the staying power if the

467
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: Wolves announced today they were in partnership, they're gonna give

468
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: out hoodies too. I don't even know Buns and Roses

469
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: doesn't exist anymore. Yeah, I say, we're gonna, we're gonna,

470
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: we're gonna celebrates and they got great wings, and then

471
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna sell hoodies or giveaway hoodies, Buns

472
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: and Roses hoodies. I have to believe the reaction would

473
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: be rather swift. Swift is the word for it, would

474
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: be what are you doing? You can't again, I'm not

475
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: here to be a puritt end goal wherever you want

476
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: to go, but an organization can't share in that. Now

477
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: you can again say, the difference is it has been

478
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Speaker 1: embedded in the culture in Atlanta. It has been around

479
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: for a long time, forty years. Forty years. So there

480
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: you go. But I'm still stunned with how harshly Luke

481
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: has been has been hammered because I'm guessing I don't

482
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: even know if he said this where he's kinda be

483
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: wildering to going, Wait a minute, this is what I've

484
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: been understandably educated to try to a better understand and

485
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: believe that this is just not a good fit for again,

486
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: presumably a sport in which you kids going, et cetera,

487
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: et cetera. That it's great that it exists. No wady

488
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: is saying it should be shut down, But does the

489
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: league want to have this sort of engagement with it,

490
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: even if in a place where it has become part

491
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Speaker 1: of the tradition your thought.

492
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Speaker 3: I did hear Marins today, Marnie Gellner on the Power

493
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 3: Trip when I was driving the kids back from school.

494
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: Thankfully I wasn't listening to this portion of the equation

495
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: while I was driving them to school because that's part

496
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 3: of it too. You go to Magic City Night and

497
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 3: you got a nine year old, you gotta talk to

498
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: you do that?

499
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: Now you do?

500
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: You probably don't back into Magic City Night. You're probably

501
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 3: I had a hard time believing you wouldn't have heard

502
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 3: about it. But she was talking about how apparently the

503
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 3: Hawks kind of did this and didn't really inform the

504
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 3: league that they were doing this. Which was a point

505
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: that she brought up. Where I think this got some

506
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: attention is I don't know how it works in the

507
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: promotion game. If you have to get them all approved

508
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: of the league, I would assume you do a little

509
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: bit or at least they have to have an idea.

510
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: And that was part of it too, is that the

511
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: league wasn't really filled in on this, and I think

512
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Speaker 3: they did have some issue with it, and that's why

513
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 3: it's Yeah, Luke Cornett is getting a lot of attention,

514
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: and well, I think the league had some reaction to it.

515
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: What's interesting is the I don't know if at any

516
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: point the Hawks wanted to reconsider, but to a certain extent,

517
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: the League did the right thing in taking them off

518
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: the hook. The league is the bad guy here and

519
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: it may well be that the Hawks prefer it. Now

520
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: maybe the Hawks weren't even having any having any second thoughts.

521
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, because I think there's also a connection

522
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: between one of the owners and a documentary that that's

523
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: been done on this.

524
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, establishment well I'm looking at it right now. Is

525
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: Shaquille o'nel's a part of it? Yes, and some other

526
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 3: people are a part of it.

527
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: Again, And I don't have a problem with the documentary.

528
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: I would say, look, that's just real. You could it

529
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: may be cringe worthy, you may not like it, you

530
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: may whatever. I I'm more live and let live on

531
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: that sort of activity. But I'm still surprised, like I

532
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: said that, when when Cornett, for whatever reason, come out

533
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: of nowhere just to express frustration about now he's getting

534
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: ripped like, well, the commissioner is caving in to Luke Cornett,

535
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: which would be hard for me to believe that that

536
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: was indeed the case. But the position he takes, the

537
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: idea that he has to explain himself for a position that,

538
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: as I said, most men have tried to be educated

539
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: on in some cases need to be educated on about

540
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: a lot of the larger ramifications. To the point where

541
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: as I said, you got to whisper about going to Hooters, right,

542
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: let alone a strip club because of just the feeling

543
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: that there is. You could talk about the wings all

544
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: you want, You can talk about the Rissian tradition all

545
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: you want. I heard somebody call into one of the

546
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: shows this morning to say, but you can't pretend that

547
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: at the base of it, there are not, you know,

548
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: naked women dancing at this particular place. And if that's

549
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: your cup of tea again, fine, And I'm sure there

550
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: are some women who say who have no problems going

551
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: to those places. And I'm not even going to say

552
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: all the women who are participating in the dancing are victims,

553
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: because that gets into that whole issue. Right, I'm not

554
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: going to presume any of that, but that he's become

555
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: the villain in this thing. Well, where was he on

556
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: some of those domestic abuse issues. Well, I'm assuming on

557
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: several of them he allowed the NBA to meet out

558
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: punishment and they often have no We can argue about

559
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: whether they've done it enough, whether they've been harsh enough,

560
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: whether you know, there's some people who think that even

561
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: if you serve a punishment, you shouldn't be allowed to play.

562
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: We can have that debate. Do you take away somebody's

563
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: right to work forever on that basis? I don't know,

564
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: but I think the reason he was bringing it up

565
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: wasn't that there weren't other things that are more important

566
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: in the pecking order, but because no one was really

567
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: pushing back and for whatever reason, he was attempting to

568
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: do exactly that Magic City.

569
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Speaker 3: Was that where Bryant McKinney made his calls to help

570
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: with the love Boat because we brought we brought in

571
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: the love Boat women from it Atlanta, right, that was

572
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: one of the allegations. Yeah, that was it Magic City

573
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: specifically or was it other people?

574
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Well, that's a good question. I

575
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: don't remember, but it was it was al Yeah, that's true.

576
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: And if you're going to Atlanta, where you're going, you're

577
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: on to Magic City probably.

578
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: Six five one guy Rights director of the FBI, drinking

579
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: beers is unacceptable and sad, But the NBA endorsing strip

580
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: clubs at what should be a family event can drive

581
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: an opinion out of Dan Classic. Well, first of all,

582
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: I didn't say a word about him drinking beer, and

583
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: I didn't say it was unacceptable. I said was embarrassing

584
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: the fact that he made himself, he presented himself as

585
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: if he want to medal. That was my issue with him.

586
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: That's not that difficult, I would say for the league.

587
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: The position I am taking is actually defending Luke Cornett's

588
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: questioning exactly how much sense this relationship makes. That's not

589
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: exactly endorsing it. But I'm not. I'm not here necessary

590
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: in general to I don't feel strong enough about it

591
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: to say, well, here's what you have to do in

592
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: all these situations. I'm actually here more standing up for him,

593
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: which is not exactly refusing to take a stand on it.

594
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: If an NBA team wants to celebrate domestic violence, I

595
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: expect Luke's speak up then too. I see the point

596
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 1: that he's making there. But I've seen a lot of reporters,

597
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: male and female, say come on now. I saw Courtney

598
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: Cronin once the story broke that the commissioner was stepping in.

599
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: I think she said, oh, come on, yeah. And the

600
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: old comman is interesting to me because it's contrary to well, again,

601
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: what I think has been for the last twenty five years,

602
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: an attempt to constantly hold people accountable for these sorts

603
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: of associations in terms of any kind of official associations

604
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: involving teams and the message that's conveyed. So the contradiction

605
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: is what interests me, and I don't know again if

606
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: it's just because this place is so popular and it's

607
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: been around so long that it's almost viewed as well.

608
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: Know this, Yeah, you're right on all that stuff's true

609
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: about objectifying women, But it's okay to have this official

610
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: relationship because this place gets grandfathered in on the basis

611
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: of the fact that it's been it's just considered it's

612
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: just part of the landscape in Atlanta, Georgia. So there

613
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: you have it. I do want to try to get

614
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: into some news on the March things as well, right

615
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: se on Brian Kafe in text line, We've got a

616
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: lot of good texts, good texts coming in, Alex writes,

617
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: and this has come up. Would you rather have to

618
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: explain the Karl Ma Loan statue in Utah or Magic

619
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: City to your kids? The assumption is that it's an

620
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: either or, The assumption is that there's no point. It

621
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: becomes a silly way to dismiss the issue at hand,

622
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. Now can you say there

623
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: are cases where there's hypocrisy. Maybe, but we're back to

624
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: court cases, We're back to what has been indeed proven,

625
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And so for me, that doesn't

626
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: take away from some pushback regarding this particular activity. It's

627
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: become one of the main pushbacks. The other, like I said,

628
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: is well, where these same individuals when it comes to

629
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: more serious issues, And there are more serious issues than this,

630
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: one hundred percent true. I also think the punishment and

631
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: the visibility, the understanding of holding individuals accountable for domestic

632
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: abuse has gotten. We've gotten to a much much better place.

633
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: Are we as good at place as we should be?

634
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm just scratching my head. You're

635
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: lying if you say in general culturally there has not

636
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: been in an attempt over a period of decades to

637
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: say to almost have to explain if you have tried

638
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: to create any kind of again professional connections between organizations

639
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: and institutions like this one. It's just it, As I

640
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: mentioned here, it would get hammered. I think almost from

641
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: the beginning, I don't know what the distinction is other

642
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: than history. I guess let's make get a pause in

643
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: do we need to pause here? No, we do, we do.

644
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: That's right. I got behind because I went along with

645
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: Lure Goose top five and five yet to come. I

646
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: got a couple of news on the March issues to

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Speaker 1: get to as well, one involving the Minneapolis City Council

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Speaker 1: state tuner. No, that's not what I wise. That's the

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Speaker 1: follow up, sounder. Where's news on the march page? Is

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Speaker 1: that on?

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Speaker 2: Here?

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Speaker 1: It is? Let me give you a couple of headlines

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Speaker 1: here that got my attention, including this one via CBS News.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this has been fleshed out since

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Speaker 1: this reporting earlier today, US intelligence assets have begun to

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Speaker 1: see indications Iran is taking steps to deploy mines in

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Speaker 1: straight of Hormuze shipping lane Iuran has used smaller crafts

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Speaker 1: that can carry two to three minds each well, Iran's

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Speaker 1: mindstock isn't publicly known. Estimates over the years have ranged

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Speaker 1: from roughly two thousand to six thousand naval minds of Iranian, Chinese,

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Speaker 1: and Russian made variants. Now, we talked about the possibility

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Speaker 1: at any moment the President, regardless of the ramifications of it,

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Speaker 1: could say we're done. It's over. We won. War's over

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Speaker 1: and we're we're moving on. We've made our point, but

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Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean it is done because of what's

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Speaker 1: already taken place in the larger ratifications of it. This

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Speaker 1: would be what they in the business call a game

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Speaker 1: changer if this story is accurate, and that's the road

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Speaker 1: and that Iran attempts to go down, because there were

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Speaker 1: some big shot military types who used to serve in

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Speaker 1: the US military in positions of great authority, who warned

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Speaker 1: of this, and we're worried about it, the old, you know,

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Speaker 1: unintended consequences thing that you think you have control over it,

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Speaker 1: and maybe not so much so. If there's anything new

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Speaker 1: on that, we'll let you know. But that most assuredly

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Speaker 1: got my attention. Did you see the Peggy Noonan description

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Speaker 1: of your guy Pete Hegseth.

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Speaker 3: I may have, because I've seen a couple of things

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Speaker 3: folding around. I don't know if it's specific to her,

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Speaker 3: but go ahead.

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Speaker 1: He's something between an excitable morning TV anchor and the

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Speaker 1: rooster who thought he brought the dawn ouch. It's a

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Speaker 1: hell of a line. She's great, even if yeah, you

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Speaker 1: love heckseeth. That's unfair. You got to you gotta smile.

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Speaker 1: That's I would I would suggest that's pretty accurate. And

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Speaker 1: it's one hell of a line as as well.

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Speaker 3: In LA I need to close out of I was

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Speaker 3: doing some Magic City due diligence.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, in trouble. No.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it looks like an interesting place. Huh, But I

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Speaker 3: just got a message popped up on my computer. Hi,

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Speaker 3: I'm fancy Magic City's AI service agent. What can I

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Speaker 3: help you? Yeah, so they have AI at Magic City.

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Speaker 3: You can make reservations. It's not They ain't messing around.

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Speaker 3: They know what they're doing. Yeah, Hi, I'm fancy fancy.

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Speaker 3: How's that spelled with a why?

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Speaker 1: With a why?

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Speaker 3: Not?

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Speaker 1: I no?

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Speaker 3: I E yeah, I thought it might be c I fancy? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's just see why? Okay, So I'm gonna close. Are

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Speaker 3: we done talking about Magic City? I can get out

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Speaker 3: of this.

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Speaker 1: I think you can get out of this for now.

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Speaker 1: I think that will indeed work. New York Times reporter

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Speaker 1: to the President. Yesterday, you just suggested that Iran somehow

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Speaker 1: got its hands on a tomahawk and bombed its own

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Speaker 1: elementary school on the first day of the war. Why

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Speaker 1: are the Are you the only person saying this, it's

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Speaker 1: a good question for New York Times guy, and there

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Speaker 1: was a Trump Sir Wanga. He basically shrugged his shoulder

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Speaker 1: and said, because I just don't know enough about it,

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Speaker 1: which is not a real good answer from the President

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Speaker 1: of the United States. I'm gonna throw a tomahawk in there,

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Speaker 1: because he said the committeion, you'll have tomahawks. We sell

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Speaker 1: some of them, people buy them from us. And there

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Speaker 1: is in that tragedy. You know, it's been said before.

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Speaker 1: It's a horrific outcome. If indeed we are responsible, you

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Speaker 1: are better off just owning up to it. It's not unprecedented.

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Speaker 1: It's awful. Uh, it's part of it is part of war,

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Speaker 1: which is further evidence that this is a war. And

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Speaker 1: I think you don't take away your responsibility by owning

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Speaker 1: up to it, but I think you end up looking

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Speaker 1: worse by by attempting to run from it. You can

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Speaker 1: say all the obvious stuff, This is not something we

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Speaker 1: do deliberately. This is stuff that the Iranian administration we

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Speaker 1: would do as a matter of a matter of course,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And I think that to me,

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Speaker 1: that would be a much better approach to take on

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Speaker 1: this particular story. Also, let me see if I can

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Speaker 1: get to we had homemade bombs thrown outside of the

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Speaker 1: New York the News New York City Mayor's home. Was

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Speaker 1: it just over the weekend? I believes ago a couple

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Speaker 1: of days ago. This would be under the classification of

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Speaker 1: you cannot be taken seriously as a news outlet if

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Speaker 1: this is how you frame the story. Did you see

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Speaker 1: the CNN framing No. Two Pennsylvania teenagers crossed into New

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Speaker 1: York Saturday morning for what could have been a normal

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Speaker 1: day enjoying the city during abnormally warm weather, but in

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Speaker 1: less than an hour, their lives would drastically change, as

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Speaker 1: the pair would be arrested for throwing homemade bombs. That's insulting,

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Speaker 1: that's attempting to trivialize or to somehow minimize a terrorist act,

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Speaker 1: and it's frankly exactly what ends up costing the so

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Speaker 1: called mainstream media. That who are you trying to protect?

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Speaker 1: And would you be as protective if it was you know,

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Speaker 1: some far right lunatic presumably trying to state whatever his

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Speaker 1: case might be. The answer is no, you wouldn't. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, the message got to CNN. Let me

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Speaker 1: see if I can find it. They ultimately, I don't

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Speaker 1: see it in front of me, but they ultimately all

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Speaker 1: but apologized for the framing and said it doesn't even

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Speaker 1: meet our standards journalistically, and it's too bad that they

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Speaker 1: probably had to do that, one could say under pressure.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they otherwise would have. But come on,

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Speaker 1: is that following the story? No, that's in some odd

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Speaker 1: way like you're protecting some one. You're doing the exact opposite,

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Speaker 1: and you're making people feel that you're somehow trying to protect.

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Speaker 1: There should be no protection, no matter who's responsible for

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Speaker 1: it when bombs are involved. Here's the CNN update. A

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Speaker 1: post regarding the two individuals arrested for throwing homemade bombs

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Speaker 1: outside of the New York City Mayor's home failed to

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Speaker 1: reflect the gravity of the incident, thereby breaching the editorial

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Speaker 1: standards we require for all our reporting. Is therefore been deleted.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll give him credit for at least going

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Speaker 1: that far, but it's ridiculous locally. Did you see this too?

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Speaker 1: And try to squeeze in a couple more news on

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Speaker 1: the March items, Chief O'Hara was putting the meat grinder

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Speaker 1: at from the community, the Community Commission on Police Oversight.

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Speaker 1: I think this took place yesterday, is a public meeting,

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Speaker 1: and in the meeting he was accused, I should say,

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Speaker 1: the city's police department was accused along with him as

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Speaker 1: a leader, of failing to protect people during the surge

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Speaker 1: of ice operations in the Twin Cities, that Minneapolis police

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Speaker 1: officers did not intervene when federal agents used excessive force

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Speaker 1: and prioritized crowd control over community safety. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about a disconnect here, name me

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Speaker 1: an individual. I mean, the original demand in many parts

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Speaker 1: of the community was don't you get near these ice operations.

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Speaker 1: Don't you even get near the idea of creating perimeters

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Speaker 1: that will make it easier for them to do their job.

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Speaker 1: Stay away. Wasn't that the warning? How disingenuous is it

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Speaker 1: now to say, well, where were you when things got

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Speaker 1: out of hand? As the chief pointed out, Whatever we

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Speaker 1: think of the ice operation, and we've certainly on this

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Speaker 1: show think it was illegal, it was dramatically over the line,

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Speaker 1: it was destructive, it was unnecessary, it was pathetic. But

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Speaker 1: whatever you believe of that, that the notion that now

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Speaker 1: it was up to the police, that the Minneapolis police

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Speaker 1: are supposed to be an open confrontation with federal authorities.

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Speaker 1: Who wins in that? Where does that go? All that

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Speaker 1: would do, would have done is drawn another five probably

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Speaker 1: five thousand troops into this town. Makes no sense. It

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Speaker 1: was we talked with this on TV and we never

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Speaker 1: talked about it on radio. The performance stuff that goes

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Speaker 1: on in Minneapolis sometimes, and it was laid out very

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Speaker 1: nicely in a start debune piece I think by Roper,

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Speaker 1: and this goes back a couple of weeks ago where

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Speaker 1: he noted that the progressive majority of the Minneapolis City Council,

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Speaker 1: at least for a period of time until cooler has prevailed,

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Speaker 1: attempted to perform on the subject of we're going to

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Speaker 1: scrutinize the liquor license renewals of two hotels that allegedly

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Speaker 1: housed ice agents during the searge. Now, ultimately they gave

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Speaker 1: in on that, but not before there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of performance on it, which falls under the classification of

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Speaker 1: cutting your nose to spite your face. As Roper writes,

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Speaker 1: progressors on the council in an ironic bit of performative politics,

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Speaker 1: seem keen on kneecapping the very places those visitors would stay.

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Speaker 1: The notion that city leaders have been imploring people to

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Speaker 1: come visit to help revive the economy, and now you actually,

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Speaker 1: because performance politics is so important to you, you're going

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Speaker 1: to pound your fist and say, should we really give

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Speaker 1: them those liquor licenses? That was to the Renaissance Apolis

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Speaker 1: Hotel at the Depot and the Canopy by Hilton, And

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Speaker 1: as he points out, the hotels are in a pretty

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Speaker 1: tough spot during the search right in terms of what

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. But the notion that the city

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Speaker 1: wins with this kind of performance politics kind of tells

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Speaker 1: you where their minds are of these individuals, at least

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Speaker 1: some of these individuals on the city council. And it

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Speaker 1: looks cool to beat your chest and say we got

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Speaker 1: to hold them accountable. How about we we'll show them

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Speaker 1: who wins and who loses in that environment. And ultimately,

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Speaker 1: I think they must have even been brought to it

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Speaker 1: or had finally figured it out, not before time was

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Speaker 1: wasted on the performance aspect of this whole thing that

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Speaker 1: made absolutely no sense that we're gonna we're gonna take

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Speaker 1: it out on businesses caught between a rock and a

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Speaker 1: hard place. It made absolute no sense whatsoever. But it's

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Speaker 1: all to me part of the same piece. I I

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Speaker 1: look the city. The city cops were in a no

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Speaker 1: win situation. There was no way out. None of it

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Speaker 1: was easy, and I'm not even here to say they

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Speaker 1: did everything one hundred percent great. But I just find

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Speaker 1: it curious that if on the front end you're told

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Speaker 1: don't get near this, don't aid in a bet, but

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Speaker 1: you better be there in case things go bad to

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Speaker 1: take care of us, that that's way too easy after

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Speaker 1: the fact, and it's not putting the onus or keeping

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Speaker 1: the onus on where it belongs. The Feds who came

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Speaker 1: in irresponsibly, criminally and did what they did over a

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Speaker 1: period of time. You're you're You're just just stay on

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Speaker 1: the high road and don't spend as much time on performing.

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Speaker 3: Top five to five give you the latest in the

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Speaker 3: National Football League, including some quarterback stuff, and get you

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Speaker 3: ready for a late night in Los Angeles.