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Speaker 1: Dave Hatter, welcome back, my friend, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 2: Happy Friday, Brian.

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Speaker 1: Always good to be here, always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with this local fan. You get a local

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Speaker 1: story on a Venmo scam. I don't do Venmo, so

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm in a probably a good place for

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Speaker 1: staying the hell away from those types of software apps,

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Speaker 1: you know, Brian.

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Speaker 2: That's a I think that's a good place to be.

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Speaker 2: I don't use for any of these things either, And

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Speaker 2: I want to start out and just tell people when

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Speaker 2: you use any of these sort of apps, right, especially

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Speaker 2: if you don't understand the terms of service, and you

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Speaker 2: know those are usually difficult to understand. Kind of confused

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Speaker 2: opoly and that sort of thing. You are putting yourself

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Speaker 2: at substantial risk because in most cases you have little

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Speaker 2: and or no protection whatsoever. You know, when you use

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Speaker 2: a credit card, there's some consumer protections around that. That's why,

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Speaker 2: you know, people that understand finance will usually tell you,

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Speaker 2: even though you have to be concerned about the debt component,

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Speaker 2: you know, don't overspend. It's better to shop with a

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Speaker 2: credit card because you have some consumer protection versus a

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Speaker 2: debit card. With these digital payment apps, you off zero

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Speaker 2: consumer protection whatsoever. And you know, many many people have

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Speaker 2: lost enormous amounts of money. So my advice is always

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Speaker 2: to folcus and I get you know, my kids love

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Speaker 2: this stuff. I try to talk them out of using it.

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Speaker 2: Have very little luck there, Brian. And I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: might might know when you when you talk to your

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Speaker 2: fairly technical, can handle it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just have to interject because she is listening,

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Speaker 1: and good luck mom. Mom will be taking her first

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Speaker 1: Uber ride today that she arranged for to her lunch appointment,

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Speaker 1: so or she will be right. Yep, she's not nervous

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Speaker 1: about the ride itself. She's not worried for her safety.

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Speaker 1: But this is her very first foray into the into uber.

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Speaker 1: But that involves an app which she of course had

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Speaker 1: to put on her phone. I think my son put

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Speaker 1: the app on her phone for her.

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Speaker 2: Well. And you know, the thing is, Brian, if you

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Speaker 2: don't understand how to configure these things. And there was

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Speaker 2: some issue with Venmo years ago where like every transaction

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Speaker 2: you made was public by default, so someone knew what

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Speaker 2: they were looking for. You know, they could find pretty

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Speaker 2: much all the money you spent. Right. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: that's necessarily bad, but do you really want that information

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Speaker 2: out there? And you know, could that be valuable to

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Speaker 2: bad guys in some way to say, Okay, you regularly

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Speaker 2: do this thing, We're going to send you an email,

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Speaker 2: carefully crafted phishing email or text that's designed to look

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Speaker 2: like you came from this place that you you know,

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Speaker 2: interact with regular basis. Oh there's a problem with your account.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so important for people to remember the

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Speaker 2: bad actors in almost all of these cases are really

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Speaker 2: just professional con artists who are now reaching you through technology.

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Speaker 2: They'll tell you any lie, they'll say whatever they have

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Speaker 2: to say. You know, they'll in some cases, at lease

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Speaker 2: how to say it, They'll pivot to any topic. As

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Speaker 2: soon as you try to you start to question what

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Speaker 2: they're telling you. So, you know, I understand the convenience

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Speaker 2: of something like VENMO, I really do. However, I just

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Speaker 2: there's so much risk because people don't understand how to

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Speaker 2: configure these things correctly. They don't understand what they're up

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Speaker 2: against in terms of the con artists that are out

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Speaker 2: there constantly scamming people for this stuff. And again, you

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Speaker 2: have little to no consumer protection. So if you somehow

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Speaker 2: almost guarantee you when you call your bank are going

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Speaker 2: to say, so let me get let me see if

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Speaker 2: I understand this correctly, you authorize this transaction.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, you're out of luck period, end of story.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's really you know, until this stuff gets

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Speaker 1: Well real quick here, Yeah, I stay away from them

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Speaker 1: to avoid the scams that can go along with them. Briefly,

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Speaker 1: because in the interest of time, how exactly were people

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Speaker 2: In this In this particular case, somebody's house burned down

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Speaker 2: and then scammers set up take profiles and sent out

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Speaker 2: money went somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Oh, using a Venmo mechanism to make the donation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I wanted the tips there. You know, you

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Speaker 2: donate to Venmo Charity Council, which have been vetted and

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Speaker 2: verified and they actually have a site Benmo dot com

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Speaker 2: slash charity. But you know even that, if you don't

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Speaker 2: know about that site, anyone can can create fake reviews. Sure,

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Speaker 2: anyone can claim to be a charity. You know, anyone

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Speaker 2: want to donate to a charity, go through someone like

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Speaker 2: the Better Business Ger to look it up and say

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Speaker 2: is this legitimate charity? You know, scams are everywhere, especially

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Speaker 1: Brian, especially this time of the year tech scams and

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Speaker 1: you know, as well as just simple porch pirate scams,

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Speaker 1: And that's probably going to be end of that too.

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Speaker 1: No, of course not if they can't go after people

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Speaker 1: let us repeat for the umpteenth time, Dave Hatter says,

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Speaker 1: don't give your kids AI toys. But now you've got

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Speaker 3: Haha, Yeah, I'm sure this is a shocker. And you know, Brian,

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Speaker 3: I would go a step further than just the AI toys.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's in the headlines now, and I know we've

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Speaker 2: But the whole idea of Internet connected toys are not new,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, all right, age, Remember the the g I

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Speaker 1: Joe's and the six million Dollar Man figures. You had

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Speaker 2: Quite the advanced tech back then, but you know when

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Speaker 2: I mean it was. It was very advanced for its time,

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Speaker 2: And you didn't have strangers halfway across the world watching

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Speaker 2: your kids microphone. And so you know, these IoT internet

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Speaker 2: of things, so called smart devices have been embedded in

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Speaker 2: and you know, there had been numerous examples. If you

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Speaker 2: I would just rely folks, if you give your kids

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Speaker 2: control what they do through it versus let's say a

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