1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show, Rocking the House down, 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Taking the Day, or follow me on Twitter at Mark 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Madden X. Let's talk to Tommy Radio. Tom how would 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: you fix the Steelers and can you do it? 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: By Sunday at one pm. 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 3: No, I don't think I have the answer for you, Mark. 7 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 3: I don't know if you can fix the team that 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 3: is one of the oldest rosters, I mean the oldest 9 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 3: roster I think in the NFL, and a defense that 10 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 3: has just underperformed all year long. And the big problem 11 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 3: that people are really starting to catch on with too, 12 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 3: is they don't have complimentary football. The offense never complements 13 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 3: the defense defense vice fraas. They don't show up at 14 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: the same time. That's what bad teams do. That's why 15 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 3: bad teams lose. They can't put together sixty minutes on 16 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: both sides of the ball. 17 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: If they could, they wouldn't be bad teams. 18 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 3: No, absolutely, So I don't have an answer for you. 19 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 3: I don't know how the Steelers fix it. I don't 20 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 3: think they'll beat the Bills this Sunday, although I don't 21 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 3: think that that's, you know, that big of a game 22 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: as far as like you can't win it you have 23 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 3: no chance, you know what I mean. I think they're 24 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 3: a beatable opponent the Bills. 25 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: No, I do too. 26 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: But even if they beat Buffalo and it'd be just another 27 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: random result. It feels like they're zero bill to this season, 28 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: no connection between games, and thus no legitimate improvement, not 29 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: all year, not after eleven games. 30 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: No, they've been just kind of yoyoing lately. Win one, 31 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: lose one, win one, lose one. In fact, the consistency 32 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: that they've built on is they've lost a couple of 33 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: games in a row, done it in the wrong direction. 34 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: And that's what you're staring in the face right now. 35 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: I mean, it is very likely that they could get 36 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: another three game losing streak here like they have for 37 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 3: I think it's what six out of the past eight years. 38 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: You know, it gets overlooked with the roster assembly, and 39 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: it's the most obvious thing. Never mind analyzing Rogers and 40 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: Rudolph and even the quote unquote potential of Will Howard 41 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: Ben popped his elbow in twenty nineteen, retired in twenty 42 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: twenty one, and they still don't have a proper quarterback. 43 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: You've got the failure of drafting Picket and a bunch 44 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: of stopcaps. It ties back to what I've said many times. 45 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: Tom Whin inherited roffels Burger and otherwise has mangled the quarterback. 46 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: Position, no question. That's why I think it's foolish to 47 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 3: just think that, you know, they'll draft a quarterback next year, 48 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: and then there it is. You've got your franchise guy 49 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: for the next fifteen years. Like, what faith do you 50 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 3: have in this current staff, this current front office to 51 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 3: be able to identify that game that guy because it's 52 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: such a crapshoot, and. 53 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: Even if they take the right guy to develop. 54 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 3: It to get the most out of him, right, it's. 55 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: Like the George pickinstick because everybody's ranting and raving about 56 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: how great Pickens is in Dallas, and he is tough, 57 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: But if he were here, he wouldn't be getting those stats, 58 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: he wouldn't be getting those targets, he wouldn't be as 59 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: ingrained into the game plan. 60 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 2: They wouldn't make him the number one. 61 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: Receiver above Metcalf, even if he earned it, like he's 62 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: become the number one receiver in Dallas, even oversea, Dee Lamb, 63 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: there was nothing here for George Pickens. And I used 64 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: to get pissed when you know he would act as 65 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: immature as he did and will again no doubt, sooner 66 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: or later in Dallas. But now I can't blame him 67 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 1: now I see his point. 68 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I do still blame him for things 69 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: like showing up to games like what thirty minutes before kickoff? 70 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: Be a professional there, don't do that. But as we talked. 71 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: About that yesterday, popping off, though, I feel him. 72 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: I mean, you're not getting what you deserve to get, 73 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: and you're showing the world right now you deserve to 74 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: get it. 75 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 1: Never mind what he deserves. You're not getting what benefits 76 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: the team at a great point by you getting uh 77 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: And like I said, to open, what would a number two? 78 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: Why not changed Tom? Even a legit one? 79 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 3: Not much, because I just don't know if they'd be 80 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: able to get the ball to them. I saw Trey 81 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 3: Essex on Twitter say that he believes that there is 82 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 3: a number two wide receiver on the roster and it's 83 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 3: Roman Wilson. Because he's winning his routes and he's getting open. 84 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 3: They just aren't getting him the football. They just are 85 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: ignoring him for whatever reason. And I don't know if 86 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: I agree with Trey that he is for sure a 87 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: number two wide receiver, nailed on, but they just don't 88 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: utilize it. To your point, they don't utilize the number 89 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: one weapons that they have their primary weapons in the 90 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: offense correctly. So to think that they would just bring 91 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: in a Jacoby Meyer and all of a sudden he'd 92 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: be great, he'd fit right in, it's foolish. 93 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no question about that. 94 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: He got a touchdown pass the other day, and yeah 95 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: I heard the beat team saying, well, that could have 96 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: been a steel No, no, it couldn't have been a 97 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: touchdown pass to Myers for the Steelers because they can't 98 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: get touchdown passes the DK metcalf. 99 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: And Trevor Lawrence. You know, he's so up and down, 100 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: but he can get the ball to receivers and that's 101 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: an offense that has an offensive mind to coach behind it. 102 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: Right now, he's way better than Aaron Rodgers. 103 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: I would take him. I would take him over, and 104 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: better than Rudolph certainly. Oh oh, Tom, you act like 105 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: there's a choice there. I mean, I mean, Trevor Lawrence 106 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: is way better right now than Aaron Rodgers right now, 107 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: I mean twice as good. 108 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: He's in a playoff spot right now, I know that much. 109 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: What's the worst personnel move the Steelers have made since 110 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: they stop winning playoff games. I'd say drafting pick it 111 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: and close behind training that number, that first round pick 112 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: for Minka when Ben popped his elbow, because it precluded 113 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: their chances to get a four and twelve season and 114 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: maybe draft Justin Herbert or at least get that kind 115 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: of player at some position. 116 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm racking my brain right now trying to come 117 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 3: up with another one. It's hard to because when you 118 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: miss on a quarterback in the first round, I mean 119 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: that is a I think. 120 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: People still don't understand what a disaster that is. 121 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: Rafting Picket was that it set the team back at 122 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: least five years, and no other team in the NFL 123 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: would have taken Picket in the first round. 124 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: Maybe not even in the second or the third round, 125 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: to be honest with you, I mean he probably would 126 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 3: have fallen into the third round and gotten snatched up. 127 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: But like it wasn't going to be like, oh, pick 128 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: thirty three, run to the podium and get Kenny Pickett 129 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: now that he. 130 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: Fell wait second round or in the third round, or I. 131 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: Think it's got to be that one. I mean, and 132 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 3: that's any franchise, right, Like, you miss on a first 133 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: round quarterback, that's gonna set you back. 134 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: But to miss to that degree so bad and have 135 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: him proven as a journeyman bouncing from team to team 136 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: before his Workie contract was even up, and he'll probably 137 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: be in the UFL before we know it. I mean, 138 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: to be proven that decisively stupid. I mean, like you 139 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: look at some picks. Okay, you have fift on the pick, right, 140 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: everybody whifts on picks. You look at Kenny Pickett in 141 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: the first round, and what's happened since? You look at 142 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: Tomlin and Steelers personnel and say, oh, you stupid mf ers. 143 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: It's not just a blown pick. It's a pick stupid 144 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: beyond excuse. 145 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 3: Oh, it's a massive bust. I mean, right now, mark 146 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 3: this year. You could conceivably think this is a year 147 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 3: where we'd be like making our final decision on Kenny Pickett. 148 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? If he was just okay, 149 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: a fine quarterback, can you go forward with him or 150 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: not offer him an extension? 151 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: He's been gone for how long? I know, So a 152 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: huge wing was bad. 153 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: It proved to be a dink besides, and like they 154 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: got a bad quarterback with crappy character at least. 155 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: Here, And how many or how much benefit of the 156 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: doubt our first round picks given, especially at quarterback, Like 157 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: teams want that to succeed. They'll keep throwing you out there, 158 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: even if it's foolish. They'll give you another year, a 159 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 3: fourth year. Hey, come on, see if you can prove 160 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: us wrong. We want to hit you because it is 161 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 3: so catastrophic when you missing a quarterback in the first round. 162 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: H Will Miles Garrett break watch single season sack record. 163 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: Garrett's at eighteen sacks with six games left. He needs 164 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: five sacks. 165 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if you could bet on this, like 166 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: if there's odds, but he's got to be like an 167 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 3: overwhelming favorite now right like minus two hundred to break it, especially. 168 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: Because he so often gets multiple sack games, like he 169 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: had three just this past Sunday and he's got eighteen 170 00:06:59,080 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: right now. 171 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: Though he doesn't even need a multisac game. He just 172 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 3: needs to keep getting asak a game from now on 173 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: and he'll break it. 174 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: You can wind up with twenty five sacks. I think he's. 175 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: Gonna streak past it and he'll get the defensive player 176 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 3: of the year and deservedly so, even to the Browns sting. 177 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: TJ. 178 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: Watt should be absolutely ashamed, and all you Mark's out 179 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: there should really be ripping into him, like guy do, 180 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: because here's TJ. 181 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: Watt. 182 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: He wanted more money than Miles Garrett, he got it, 183 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: and now he's one third the player that Miles Garrett 184 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: is not even close. Miles Garrett will be remembered, is 185 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: one of the best defensive players of all time. 186 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: TJ. 187 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: Watt will be remembered as a guy who never won 188 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: a playoff game. And that's the make sure that's the 189 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: case in Pittsburgh anyway. 190 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: And that's the thing, Like he doesn't have the you know, 191 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: typical cliche Steelers team success that for years and years 192 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: players would be able to fall back on to being like, yeah, 193 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: Miles Garrett's great, but he plays for the Browns. That's stupid. 194 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: Miles Garrett beat TJ. Watt in a playoff game. They 195 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: don't play head to head, obviously, but he won the 196 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: game against the Steelers. 197 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: They would have been out there at the same time. 198 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: Garrett would have kicked his ass, no doubt on DAP. 199 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: But like, there's nothing to look at when it comes 200 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: to Watt and say, well, at least he's got that, 201 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: at least he's got playoff success, at least he's played 202 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 3: in massive games. And Garrett hasn't. No, what has not? 203 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, the Bengals receiver, he apologized after serving as 204 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: one game suspension for spinning on Jamar Chase, excuse me 205 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: spinning on Jalen Ramsey, but pointedly did not apologize to 206 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. And I'm like, Okay, who the freak did 207 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: you spit on? What a five niney X? As I 208 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: said to open the program. Lot of shisbeing said about 209 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: where the Steelers are at, trey Es sick, falals the 210 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: scheme and the coaches. James Harrison called Arthur Smith, the 211 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: OC called him trash. Patrick Queen criticized schematics after the 212 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: game on Sunday and said they could have made in 213 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: game adjustments but didn't, which is quite an indictment of 214 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: the coaching get up. On ESPN, the panel there called 215 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: the Steelers off limited. Uh, the Steelers here, here's some 216 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: horrible stats. The Steelers defense is giving up two hundred 217 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: and seventy seven point six passing yards per game. Dead 218 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: last in the league. And don't for against that's the 219 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: highest paid. 220 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: Defense in history. That that defense is broken. 221 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: And here's a horrible stat for the offense as well, 222 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: which which is broken. Two, to my mind, the Steelers 223 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: did not complete a pass over twenty air yards in 224 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: the month of November four games, zero for eleven two picks. Now, 225 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: by contrast, Jamis Winston for the New York Football Giants, 226 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: who's a hammenager backup at this point, pressed into service 227 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: because Jackson. 228 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: Dark got hurt. 229 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: And by the way, Russell Wilson, the Steelers started last year, 230 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: is now the third stringer for the New York Football Giants. 231 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: But Jamis Winson completed five of those passes over twenty 232 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: air yards on Sunday against Detroit one game, and yeah, 233 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: the Giants lost, so did the Steelers. The Steelers won't 234 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: throw down field, won't use the middle the offense, like 235 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: the defense is broken. 236 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: The Steelers live in their fears. 237 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: We didn't talk about the Pirates thing enough yesterday, how 238 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: they never even made a bid, let alone a club 239 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: record bid for the free agent who we up with 240 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: Seattle Josh Naylor. Jeff Passon of ESPN said the Pirates 241 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: bid seventy eight million on a long term deal. But 242 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: Passing is a stooge and lazy to boot didn't check 243 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: it out. Obviously, Seattle got the deal done with Naylor 244 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: so fast the Pirates never had a chance. 245 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: So the whole thing was hype. 246 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: It was just a lie and a reminder of why 247 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: we shouldn't trust anything said about the pirates. The pirates again, 248 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: they should be reported on like a crime syndicate. 249 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: Nothing they do benefits you. 250 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: Tom, I told everybody that Passing is a stooge, and 251 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: like I just added lazy. He took to pipe what 252 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: a pirate source told him at face value. 253 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like Passing too, So it's kind of disappointed 254 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 3: to see him do this because like, be better at 255 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 3: your job, man, like and get with him. I agree 256 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: with you now because like kind of read the room, buddy, Like, sure, 257 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: a pirate source is telling you something, but when you 258 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 3: go to report it, don't report it as if it's 259 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 3: fact and like this is actually happening. You have to 260 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: present it like this is a team that constantly just 261 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 3: talks and doesn't follow through with actions, and I don't 262 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 3: expect them to follow through with actions now. But he's 263 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 3: out there acting like Schwarber is almost a done deal, 264 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like he's acting like, ah, 265 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 3: they were so close to the know, this team is 266 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: gonna be great next year, they're definitely gonna improve. Now 267 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 3: they're not. 268 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: I don't know that he was acting like Schwarber's had 269 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: done deal. 270 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: But even throw out the possibility, it's absurd when it 271 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: doesn't exist. You're right, it is absurd. What will the 272 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: Pirates big offseason move be. 273 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: Give us a prediction, boy, I mean, it'll probably be 274 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 3: trading a player from their roster to another team. Mitch 275 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: Keller's the obvious one. 276 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I figures like trade Mitch Keller for the 277 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: hitting a equivalent of mitche Keller. 278 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not going to be a big free agent 279 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: whale landed. Their free agent signings will be one year 280 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: deals to Tommy fam type players. That's how they go 281 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: bring us back. That's yeah, that'll be one of them. 282 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 3: That's how they operated since that run where they made 283 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 3: the playoffs but didn't win a playoff series and Nutting 284 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: figured out, oh I lose money. Actually if I spend 285 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 3: money and they don't. 286 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 2: Well make less money. True. 287 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, like when they brought in guys during the thirteen 288 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: fourteen to fifteen seasons and didn't even win a playoff series, 289 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: got no no, but very little extra revenue for making 290 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: the playoffs and spending more. Their profit margin went down. 291 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: Was still very profitable to but went down. And Nutting 292 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: just doesn't want to take that risk when there's no 293 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: guaranteed reward. And when I say trade Keller for the 294 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: hitting equivalent of Keller, that's probably wishful thinking. I think 295 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: you probably don't even get that, certainly not payroll wise. 296 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 2: Keller is their highest paid player. 297 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: Maybe you get the equivalent of another Spence or Horri 298 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: with somebody lower budgets. 299 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: And based on Ben Sherrington's track record and trades, I 300 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 3: mean he seems to be on the wrong end of 301 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: them a lot. 302 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, but you know what, I cut him more 303 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: slack than most two because I think he is so 304 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: hamstrung by what Nutting wants. 305 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: You can buy what Nutting won't span. 306 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 3: You can still get better prospect packages though back I 307 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: mean that's not going to hinder Nutting's pocket at all. 308 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 3: And I feel like object. 309 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: Is just to keep payroll down. You take what you can. 310 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: Get, and you're not gonna try extra hard. I guess 311 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: when it's that is your primary object, But I would 312 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: be worried that you're not going to get the equivalent 313 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: just because he's going to get a lesser value for 314 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 3: the trade, like the other team getting Mitch Keller is 315 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: gonna walk away from that deal being like, this isn't great. 316 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 3: We just traded like our seventh guy in our lineup 317 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: for a guy who's gonna be our third man in our rotation. 318 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: You gotta like reapping Sewinsky. All the big talk about 319 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: a record bid for Naylor. It turns out that didn't exist. 320 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: It was a lie, and you re signed the guy 321 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: who hit one forty seven. 322 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: I don't know what it would take for them to 323 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: pull the plug on him, because he's never shown you 324 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: anything aside from that first year he got here where 325 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: he hit like what twenty home runs airted with that, It. 326 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: Wouldn't shock me if you once somewhere else and did okay, 327 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: not great, but okay. Because this is just like people 328 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: know that the development is bad. I don't think people 329 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: understand how bad it's gonna be to be in that 330 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: clubhouse with no hope. Then again, for some winskey, it's 331 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: better to be in that clubhouse with no hope than 332 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: to be a trip away. 333 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, like, I don't know where else he would go, 334 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: to be honest with you, because you know he wouldn't exactly, 335 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 3: he's that bad. 336 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean it's not depressing when you never 337 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: when you know, when you know you're not gonna win, 338 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: and more importantly tom, when you know ownership doesn't care 339 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: if you win, when you know you're not being administered 340 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: to win, that that's not even a goal beyond coincidence. 341 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it's got to be deflating. And then when 342 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: you just you know, start sucking individually, it's just like 343 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: pressure just pushing down on you that you're not gonna 344 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 3: be able to dig yourself out of. He's such a 345 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 3: bum player. I don't understand why you would give him 346 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 3: anything at all. Are you gonna try him? Is he 347 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: your outfielder? Everybody's talking about how they need to go 348 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 3: out and get a corner outfielder. Is that gonna end 349 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: up being it? We're gonna go into spring training and 350 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: it's gonna be like, well, we're gonna try Jackson Winsky 351 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 3: it right field again? 352 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: If Fami will go someplace else, don't you think I was. 353 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: Surprised he didn't get traded for in the season last year. 354 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: Maybe that indicates that, like, here is last chance to permently, 355 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: and he'd come back here rather than just not play. 356 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: I would think with the goal to. 357 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: Get traded at this coming deadline, if he plays well, 358 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 3: because he's good defensively and he hit well in the 359 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: second half, I think all. 360 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: Of baseball has just decided he's a dick. 361 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: Get out of here. We're done with you. 362 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: He he like, who did you get in the fantasy 363 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: football fight with? 364 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 3: Oh, I can't remember the name? 365 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: Was it Jock Peterson? 366 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: I don't think it was Jock Peterson. It might have been. 367 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: It might have been. 368 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: Actually that triggers like touched the. 369 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: Guy over over a big money. 370 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do know that. And he was chirping with 371 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: fans during pregame. He's been chirping with fans as a 372 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: pirate too, like giving it to people in the bleachers. 373 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: Now, well they bring back Cutch, Like I said, the 374 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: pirates would seem more value at Cutch at five mil 375 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: than Schwarber at thirty mil. Because of nostalgia merchandising obviously cheap. 376 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: Run the payroll. 377 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: You're right, he did slap Jock Peterson, but no question 378 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 3: that that's what they're going to do. Five million seems 379 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: like the perfect deal to them. One year, we'll get 380 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 3: a ton of value out of that. Trot him out 381 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: there as the d H plays what like probably half 382 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: the home games, maybe a little bit more than that, maybe. 383 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: Determans his last season. 384 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: You retire the number, you put up, the status, you 385 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: do whatever. Yeah, yeah, you could probably get four separate 386 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: promotional days out of McCutcheon's last season. Bibblehead Night retired 387 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: the number, night statue, KNIGHTE and just general generic and night. 388 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 389 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: Now you know what I. 390 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: Would want if I'm nutting to bring cuts back, I 391 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: would want him once in a while, maybe on days 392 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: he's rested, to literally put on the Parogi suit. 393 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: Get in the race. Do you want him to wear 394 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: the mascot costume or just him out there. 395 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: Here's what you do. This is my background in wrestling. 396 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: I could I can book this Tom okay, you have 397 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: you give him another You give him a perogy identity 398 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: like whatever you know, sour cross right, halipen your hand, 399 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: a different kind of progy, different flavor, good good, good 400 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: terminology and then you have this mystery parogy with Cutch 401 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: in it, who participations in X amount of races and 402 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: wins almost all of them, but at the end in 403 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: the last race. Uh, his parogy last day of the 404 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: season is like tied with the like you can designated 405 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: evil parogy one who cheats to win? Right, And then 406 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: Cutch wins the last race even though the guy tries 407 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: to cheat him, trip him, push him, whatever, and then 408 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: he unmasked his couch after he crosses the line. 409 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 3: No, no, brilliant. That's brilliant, because I was thinking, do 410 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 3: we put like dreads on the parogi that's McCutchen, But no, 411 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 3: we want it to be a mystery mystery question mark 412 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 3: on his chest. 413 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now you got to call him something you 414 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: gotta blend. Okay, No, the question mark is actually not 415 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: bad because. 416 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 2: We're booking on the fly here. 417 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, uh, I could I could consult 418 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: with like Vince Russo or Eric Bischoff. 419 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: Guys I worked with Russo would. 420 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: Love this, by the way, And uh, and then uh, 421 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: you know what it reminds me of. You know where 422 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: I got the idea. Will Ferrell is the evil wizard in. 423 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 3: Grow Blades of Glory. 424 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 2: Oh no, it's the evil Wizard. That was just that. 425 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: I love Blades of Glory so underrated I get. 426 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: I think Blades of Glory and Semi Pro both better 427 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: than talladigad Ice. 428 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: I laughed so hard every time when they're going to 429 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 3: do the iron Lotus at the end and coach Craikie 430 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 3: Nelson is like. 431 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 2: I was wrong, I was wrong, don't do it. 432 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: Tremendous and just the idea of the iron Loadus, yes, 433 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: is tremendous too. Now, now we talked about that they're 434 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: not going to get Swarber, but they got the citizens 435 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: talking what will the lie be with Schwarber? How much 436 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: will they lie about offering? And will pass and bite again? 437 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: Will he get full twice? Shame on him. 438 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 3: That's a good question, since Rosenthal did come out on 439 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: the heels of the Passer report and say, now that 440 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 3: was beat bull crap. He didn't do your homework on that. 441 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: So he's been embarrassed by a competitor like that's Fox 442 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 3: now coming in and saying, now the ESPN guy was wrong, 443 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 3: So I bet you he has a little bit of 444 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: cold feeds. 445 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know what, I go and redd 446 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: it sometimes because they tom you think Twitter's tough me. 447 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: They in fiscerate me, unreadit. 448 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, let's kill his cat, let's rob 449 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: his house, and uh and uh like it as a 450 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: group too. 451 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: Like let's just getting a possible together. 452 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: Like I think I'm gonna it's like, hey, let's but 453 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: but here, here's what their their their opinion is about this. 454 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: Now Passing was right and Rosenthal's incorrect. Oh, that the 455 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: pirates did make this offense. 456 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 3: They're gonna believe the lie because it's it's fun to 457 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: believe the lie, right, It's nice to think that the 458 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 3: pirates are actually trying. 459 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: When you're lying to yourself, it's very much easier to 460 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: believe other people's lies. Coming up next, it's the Evil 461 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: Wizard one oh five nine. 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Traffic backed way up, 490 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: and that in a nutshellous Pittsburgh traffic backed up when 491 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: it drizzles, Tom, Are you a good driver? 492 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 2: And how do you drive in bad weather? 493 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 3: I mean, I've never really been in an accident, so 494 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 3: I guess I would characterize myself as a good driver. 495 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 3: I drive pretty well in bad weather. I don't like 496 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: driving in the snow too much, But it's really just 497 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: a ghost slow game when it comes to that. People 498 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 3: that go super slow in the rain are the worst. 499 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 3: I'm with you on that, especially rain. 500 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: Like I can see if the rain is like so 501 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: intense that it blinds you a little. 502 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 3: Bit, then you gotta pause a little bit. Yeah, snow, 503 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 3: you gotta take your time. But like, and I guess 504 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 3: when it just starts to rain, you know that hydroplane 505 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: thing you learn about when you're getting your driver's license, 506 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: that could be a factor too. But when it's been 507 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: raining all day long and that road's nice and wet, 508 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 3: just go fifty sixty miles per hour. You're fine. 509 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 5: Tom. 510 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm taking a day off of Awaken one to eighty, 511 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: as my coach knows, she's not happy, But I'm doing 512 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: it on Thanksgiving. 513 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: You have to. 514 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: And I like, have you seen those like chocolate cakey 515 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: almost like giant ho ho things in the. 516 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: Refrigerator here at work. 517 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: Boy, have I seen them? Mark? 518 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: Are they to take home? There's a bunch of them. 519 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 3: I wonder, because they've been there for a few days now. 520 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 2: I'm just taking one after at the end of today's work. 521 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 3: Looks like there's a pumpkin one in there too, like 522 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 3: a nice pumpkin roll. 523 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: I want to go. 524 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 3: It looks like a giant ho ho ho one looks really. 525 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that looks pretty good. We'll do all the Thanksgiving 526 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: talk tomorrow. Are you ready for Thanksgiving? 527 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I can't wait. It's the best. It's probably 528 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 3: my favorite holiday as an adult. That probably just shifts 529 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 3: into your favorite holiday kid, it's probably Christmas, then you 530 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 3: shift over to Thanksgiving. It's more of the adult kind 531 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 3: of holiday. The food's the best, stuffing's the We're gonna 532 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: talk about it all tomorrow. 533 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to run well. My two breaks coming 534 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: up from the diet are Thanksgiving. I'm gonna go to 535 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: my friend Richard Kelly Begnado. They own sever In, a 536 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: restaurant in Westview, and then Christmas Eve I go to 537 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: Jen Blono Penguins pr Lady. Because our family has the 538 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: seven fishes thing. You got to break it for that 539 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: and those are my only, uh only breaks from Awaken 540 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: one eighty and I get crab cakes and in for 541 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: the Seven Fishes thing from Jimmy's Famous Seafood in Baltimore. 542 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: That's best, tremendous, best crab cakes ever, no question. But 543 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 3: on the menu is no good with the Waken one 544 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: eighty for Thanksgiving? Could you eat the turkey? 545 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: The Turkey's fine, I mean, not much of it, right, 546 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: but but stuffing is my favorite thing, and it's it's potato. 547 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: You know, I don't if I I'm going to try 548 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: to just go with turkey and stuffing and cranberry says. 549 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily the biggest potatoes fan anyway, that should 550 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: be fine. You're not really breaking it that much. 551 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: But the. 552 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: Pumpkin pie stuff like that, I'll overload the stuffing and gravy. 553 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: But it's one day. 554 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: Like if you if your diet can't tolerate one day, 555 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: then it's not worth doing. 556 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: And I mean what diet is worth not participating in 557 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 3: one of the greatest holidays there is. 558 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Grant Bar tonight to get 559 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: because it's closing in Millville, where I love to go. 560 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: Last day Saturday'm debating where to go tonight and just 561 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: get like a chicken salad or go Saturday for the 562 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: last prime rib day because prime ribs. 563 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: Okay, if it's just prime. 564 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 3: Reb yeah, I used should go for the prime rib right, 565 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,239 Speaker 3: although you just had the Thanksgiving dinner on Thursday. That's 566 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 3: kind of like a little cheat prime ribs. Like your cheat, 567 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 3: isn't it? With this awake in one eighty No primes? Okay? No, 568 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 3: but I'm saying like that's like the one thing that 569 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 3: you can still hold on to is like the old days, right, 570 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 3: like I love onless Today. 571 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: Eggs are rustin green trees site near Dve and well 572 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: near the X building. 573 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: Can you load it up? 574 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: No? I never worked even though I work for the X, 575 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: I still call that the DV building in Greensburg. 576 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 3: Can you load up omelets like you used vegetables? Okay? 577 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: Said no, cheese, It's okay, but uh yeah, looking looking 578 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: forward to all that. Tomorrow we'll talk about best Thanksgiving foods, 579 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: about Turkey Bowl football, about the best Thanksgiving type gimmick 580 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: foods like in local restaurants. We know what the winner 581 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: is there, but we'll ok fabe that until tomorrow. Tom 582 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to fable on later. And here's a question. 583 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna run past him about the Steelers. I'm gonna 584 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: run past you now this Buffalo game. They're not gonna 585 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: shut down Josh Allen or Cook? I mean, are they? 586 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 3: I think they could maybe shut down Cook. Josh Allen 587 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 3: scares that Josh Allen's gonna get his probably, Okay, he 588 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 3: turns the ball over a lot, though, shouldn't. 589 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: The Steelers Okay, in that vein, shouldn't the Steelers then 590 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: try to initiate a high scoring game of shootout, try 591 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: to trade possession for possession and see if they can 592 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: beat Allen that way, because you can't shut down Allen, 593 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: but maybe you cannot score him. That Buffalo defense is 594 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: no great shakes. I think the Steelers have the worst 595 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: pass defense in the league. The Steelers can't stop anybody 596 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: throwing the ball, let alone Josh effing Allen. 597 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 598 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 3: And the Bills receivers are so bad they need someone 599 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 3: to get going. This is a good medicine for them 600 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 3: to go up against these Steelers corners, because receivers just 601 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 3: don't have much trouble getting open against the second aarreage. 602 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: Okay, last year when remember they beat Joe Burrow in. 603 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 3: The shootouts years. 604 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: But I don't I felt like that happened organically, that 605 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: the Steelers didn't force that. 606 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 2: I don't think Tom Win knows how to force that. 607 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: I don't think he would ever come out in a 608 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: game throwing, trying to have quick strike, trying to have 609 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,239 Speaker 1: short drives. I just don't think he knows how to 610 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: do that, doesn't trust it, doesn't want to. 611 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 3: It was kind of forced upon them in Cincinnati. If 612 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 3: you remember, Russ Wilson through the pick six and they 613 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: were down in that seven to nothing hole right away, 614 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: so then they had to start to air it out 615 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: and play catch up immediately. I'd love for them to 616 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: do that against the Bills. I have no faith that 617 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 3: this offense can execute that. And Rogers is gonna play, 618 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 3: but he's not gonna be one hundred percent. You don't 619 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 3: think he'll be a hundred percent. Do you like that 620 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: wrist will still be a hindrance. 621 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 2: I'm still not sure he's gonna play. 622 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 3: Maybe another Rudolph game. 623 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: And I think Rogers made the call. The more I 624 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: hear the verbiage surroundings, I think Rogers made the call 625 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: to not play this past Sunday that he and I'm 626 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: not criticizing him one bit. 627 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: I think it was the right move. 628 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 3: He just definitely couldn't do it. Woke up on Saturday, 629 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 3: it was like, there's no way I could take snaps 630 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 3: under center. The shotgun snaps my center kind of stinks. 631 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 3: He always has low snaps. I'm not gonna be able 632 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: to catch them. 633 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: Stinks on the snaps. 634 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 3: On the snaps, he staks. He's good at run blocking. 635 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 2: He's overrated, but you know he's a hillbilly. What are 636 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: you gonna do? 637 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, you heard the Tom With press conference. He 638 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: talked about kickoffs and puns right away. I mean, what 639 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: what the freg? I mean, how much does that have 640 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: to do with anything? 641 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: Well, I mean those press conferences, you know, they just 642 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 3: seem to be getting more and more of a waste 643 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 3: of time because he says stuff like that, and then 644 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 3: Mark he just outright lies to us like aer dramatic endeavors. 645 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 2: Remember last week. 646 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: Synergy when he said that Darius Slay was going right 647 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 3: back in like he's the starter, don't Yeah, he's gonna play. 648 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 3: James Pierre played every snap but one on the defense, 649 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 3: Like this is a bold face light of us. At 650 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: least that's the right movie, I guess, But like still, it's. 651 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: Not a lie to us, it's a lie to the 652 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: other team because he's Okay, no, but no, those coaches, 653 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: every one of them, I hate it. 654 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 2: Don't believe they can confuse the other team. 655 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 3: Don't you hate that about coaching? 656 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 2: Put it this way. 657 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: If I'm Ben john Snoopy said, I don't give a 658 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: frek who's their quarterback? 659 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: None of them that good. 660 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 3: Pierre Slay, I'm gonna just out Ben Johnson. We didn't 661 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 3: talk about this enough yesterday. He ran circles around that Steelers. 662 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 3: You want to talk about somebody scheming guys open and 663 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 3: taking advantages of weaknesses. Ben Johnson was elite compared to 664 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 3: the coach. 665 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: Because I bet you have the same answer I do. 666 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: What was the weirdest thing that was evident on TV 667 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: the network feed? I always say, if something is really 668 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: obvious so that you can see it on a network feed, 669 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: it's like beyond obvious. What was the most obvious flaw 670 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: in that Steelers defense you saw at Chicago? 671 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: Well, I did notice that they were getting pushed off 672 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage like two yards back like every 673 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: single time, Like that's true, that's not my number one, 674 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 3: And a new line of scrimmage was established all the time. 675 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. That's the first thing on the top 676 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: of my mind. 677 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: The cushion they gave the Bears receivers, especially in the middle, 678 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: was of astounding volume. Especially it was like it was 679 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: like a nine or ten yard cushion, especially on like 680 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: third and fives. 681 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, like they would still be off like nine or 682 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 3: ten yards. It's easy for them. 683 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 684 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: See, I think like and I can't stress this enough, 685 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: and I sound like a typical disgruntled radio sports host 686 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: when I say this, but we should keep in mind 687 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: I don't care if they win or lose, liver or die. 688 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: They're not my team. 689 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: But they are so badly coached it defies description both coordinators. 690 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: Although Austin's just a puppet Tom Win, they're incompetent and 691 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: right now, like I said, I hear what Tom Win 692 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: said today, and I can tell Tom he doesn't know 693 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: what to do. 694 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: Do you think an offensive mine like Ben Johnson sees 695 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 3: that like the cushion on a third and five, and 696 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: he's just like he has a pause for a moment 697 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 3: in his own brain, like, am I missing something? 698 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: Like? 699 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 3: Are they doing something that I'm not seeing right now? 700 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: I like it was only you know, ball hockey, that 701 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: cocky whatever, but I would see stuff the other team 702 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: would do and I go, okay, this is so easy 703 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: to exploit. 704 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: There must be a side of an I can't figure out. 705 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 3: That had to have happened one time in that game 706 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: where he's like, why are they off so much on 707 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 3: third and five? What am I missing here? Nothing? 708 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: Okay? 709 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 3: Easy first down? 710 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: How much will Jones and Harmon not hurt? I think 711 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: Harmon not hurts a lot. Then again, well that they're 712 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: gonna run with Cook. But in general, if I were 713 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: the opposition, I'd just pass on the Steelers all the time. 714 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 3: I think Jones being out might hurt a little bit 715 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 3: more than Harmon. Jones's been playing okay. 716 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 2: Okay, and it just delimits the jumbo packer. 717 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 3: Their depth is just not good on the offensive line, 718 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 3: so having to dip into that depth, limiting the jumbo package, 719 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: that's no good. 720 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna make Washington would tackle next year 721 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't. But that's my hunch because I think I, well, 722 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: maybe not next year, but maybe they transition because I 723 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna pick up the fifth year on 724 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: Broderick Jones, which of course will be an indictment of 725 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: them trading up to draft him or drafting him at all. 726 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 3: Really well, Mount Washington got whooped by Mon's has sweat 727 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 3: twice on single raps on one on one that there. 728 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: Was criticism of him blocking sweat one on one like 729 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: that matchup, the Steelers allowing it. But but if he 730 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: can't block sweat one on one, what's the point of 731 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: having the big fatso out there in the first place. 732 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 2: I thought he was supposed to be the extra tackle. 733 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 3: And if you want him to be a left tackle 734 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 3: in the future, if you're someone that wants to transition 735 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 3: to that, why can't he block sweat one on one now? 736 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: And Tom I weigh less than Darnell Washington, I can 737 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: call him fat so that's right. 738 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: One oh five to nine the X. 739 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 4: It's the Woodie Show tomorrow morning from six till ten. 740 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: Whoa you'll got on day? 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They got your back, not your wallet, tom 754 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: What do we got for today's trifecta? 755 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 3: For today's trifecta, mark, I've got the three most unproductive 756 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 3: day or days at work, because I think we're in 757 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 3: one right now, not right. 758 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 2: Today, I don't think. 759 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 3: I think tomorrow is the law. Yeah, yeah, number one, No, 760 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 3: that's my number two actually on the list, Okay. 761 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: Number three is the day I tend to be as 762 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: lazy as possible for tomorrows. 763 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 3: Show, no doubt. Number three is the day before your vacation, 764 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 3: you know, your big vacation in the summertime. Go to 765 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 3: the beach for a week like that Friday, that Thursday, 766 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 3: whenever you'll even forget that day at work. That's a 767 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 3: free day. But number one for me, and it's a 768 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: couple of days, is the first days of March Madness. 769 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 3: I mean, the entire country still goes to work sometimes 770 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: on March Madness, but just watches the games all day long. 771 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: I think a lot either either take a vacation day 772 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: or call in sick. And the employers know obviously if 773 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: they call in sick for March Madness, at least I 774 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: would hope they're not that dumb. But yeah, I agree 775 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: with with all of those, although it should be noted 776 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: that you and I are both working Black Friday. That's 777 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: right because I am conscientious about taking Fridays and Mondays 778 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: off during Steeler season. Not that I never do it right, 779 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: but for example the trip to Liverpool, but well, that 780 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: supersedes all absolutely. 781 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 3: But this is a massive game against the Bills, Mark, 782 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 3: I mean, the Steeler's gotta have it. The citizens need 783 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 3: us on Friday. 784 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's that. 785 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: I mean, like the massive game is December seventh, to 786 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: day that will live in infamy at Baltimore, and you know, 787 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: to be fair of Baltimore, I mean, I don't want to. 788 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: Look has the Buffalo game, but Baltimore's not playing great. 789 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: They remind me the Steelers early in the season where 790 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: they're not playing great and finding ways to win. Lamar 791 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,479 Speaker 1: doesn't look like he's all the way back from that injury. 792 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: That said, why ask why? But then again, we didn't 793 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: bother asking why when the Steelers started out four and 794 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: one and didn't look good, and maybe we should have 795 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: maybe they should have. 796 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's reasons to believe in the Ravens track 797 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 3: record in recent years, Lamar Jackson. That's the main reason 798 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 3: that even though they're just trying to find ways to 799 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 3: win right now, that there is something there that they 800 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 3: could actually make a run in the playoffs. When the 801 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 3: Steelers are just finding ways to win early in the season, 802 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 3: you could see it was kind of small. 803 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: I said before the season that the Ravens have the 804 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: best roster in football, and I still believe that. And 805 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: here's the point about the Steelers good start and the 806 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: Ravens winning now but not playing well. The Steelers, even 807 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: when they were winning games, you knew they didn't have 808 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: a second gear, another level to get to, at least 809 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: I thought that, whereas I think Baltimore has maybe a 810 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: second and a third gear to get to and probably 811 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 1: will on December seventh, a day that will live. 812 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 3: That's a much better way to put it. And I 813 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 3: could definitely see that, although you know what, I could 814 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 3: see that second gear starting to kick in Thanksgiving night Thursday, 815 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow and the Bengals come to town like kind 816 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 3: of treat that as like, all right, let's make the 817 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 3: stretch run now. 818 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: But here's here's how optimistic Steeler fans get in the 819 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: process of lining themselves. 820 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 2: Burrow's back gonna beat Baltimore. 821 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 3: They could. I think he could beat Baltimore. I think 822 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 3: it could be a shootout. But the defense for the 823 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 3: Bengals sucks so much. Burrow's not gonna go in and 824 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 3: play safety. He's not gonna just limit the Ravens offense. 825 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: I am rooting for whatever has to happen to get 826 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: the Ravens and Steelers with the same record on December seventh, 827 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: the day that will live in infamy. 828 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 3: I would love that the six and six prediction to 829 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 3: come true, because it looks right now like the Steelers 830 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 3: are gonna be there. They're gonna be six and six, 831 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 3: but Baltimore's probably seven and five. 832 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: One percent of our audience do you think gets the 833 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: infamy reference which I'm beating to death. 834 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 3: Percent of the audience, yep, I would say probably five. 835 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 2: See, you're not allowed to do that. On five nine, 836 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 2: the x W, the except