1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Man, Welcome into the Minnesota Vikings Podcast. I am your host, 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Tatum Everett from the Vikings Entertainment Network. The Purple are 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: gearing up for a huge NFC North showdown against the 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears this Sunday at us Bank Stadium. 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: The Vikings come in. 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: At four and five, looking to bounce back after a 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: tough loss to Baltimore, while the Bears are riding high 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: at six and three with Caleb Williams leading a string 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: of late game heroics. 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: We've got a great lineup for you on this show. 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: ESPN's Courtney Cronin checks in to chat about the Bears, 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: who have been four and one since the bye. Plus, 13 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: we have Eric Nordquist from nine to noon to give 14 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: us a Roobs perspective into Sunday's divisional game. We'll dive 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: into key matchups and all the storylines heading into Sunday's 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: matinee matchup, bringing us in on this lovely Thursday. Although 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: we record this on a Tuesday, it is Eric Nordquist 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: from nine to noon. 19 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: I like to. 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: Preface these with that because it's it is so hard 21 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: sometimes to really focus on the game ahead when we 22 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: are sitting here recording on a Tuesday. 23 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Do you find that more difficult? 24 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 4: You mean, like we're still reeling a little bit on 25 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 4: a Tuesday, right, a little bit. Wow, everything that happened 26 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 4: against the Ravens game was within reach. But it is 27 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 4: theater of the mind though, because there are those out there, 28 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 4: wonderful listeners of the fan. It's a Thursday for you. 29 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 4: So I'm going to say, happy Thursday, isn't it? 30 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: All those beautiful weekend here? 31 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: Well, now that we're entering week eleven and I have 32 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: only played two division games, So as much as maybe 33 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: the four and five record isn't pretty, they're not out. No, 34 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: you're not, because you could still win all these divisional games. 35 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: Get the birth right. So that's the positivity optimistic outlook 36 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: right then and there. But when you think about this 37 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: Bears team that we've only faced what ten weeks. 38 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: Ago, Yeah, it feels like they have had. 39 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: A shift and identity the more that they have played. 40 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: How have you seen that play out? 41 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 4: Well, not necessarily as much as shift, but an evolution 42 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 4: and the creation of an identity where Ben Johnson, you know, 43 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 4: what are you going to get week one out of 44 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 4: your team? First chance leading the team? What are you 45 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 4: know behind the scenes. He talked about tearing Caleb Williams 46 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 4: down to the studs and trying to rebuild him after 47 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 4: his rookie year last year. 48 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: With a different coach and ibra flus. 49 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 4: How much can you really take from Week one in 50 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 4: terms of the QB you saw on Caleb Williams different, 51 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 4: the running attack that you you know it was. It 52 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 4: was fine at times, they got swift down to space, 53 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 4: but overall really not very effective against the Purple Week one. 54 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 4: The only game that they lost to the Ravens was 55 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 4: the one game in which they weren't able to really 56 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 4: get things going on the ground. So the Bears we'll 57 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 4: see on Sunday are different than the Bears we saw 58 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 4: week one. But I think in the spirit of what 59 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 4: Ben Johnson wants to do, it's still going to come 60 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 4: down to some similar principles where if you can limit 61 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 4: the run, talked about that a lot this year. But 62 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 4: then then in terms of Caleb Williams, the playmaking ability, 63 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: second chance opportunities, He's making fewer mistakes, the play actions 64 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 4: working better, and they're finding some aggression through the air 65 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 4: with some explosives. This is a different team than what 66 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 4: we saw. It's also a team. I think specifically from 67 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 4: a yards perspective, I'm excited to see JJ McCarthy get 68 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 4: up and down the field nicely on Sunday against these Bears. 69 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: What did you make of Jalen Naylor's emergens in this game? 70 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: And can you how confident could you be at this 71 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: point to feel like the Vikings have may have found 72 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: their wide receiver number three? 73 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think I think Jalen Naylor in some 74 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: ways it shouldn't be a new revelation, at least in 75 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 4: the regard where I think when when Jordan Addison a 76 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 4: year ago was out for a game, may have been 77 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: like Week two. Let's just say he was out the 78 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 4: Niners game. I forget there was one or two games 79 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: there early on where Addison missed. Naylor started the season 80 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 4: off with a touchdown in three straight games to begin 81 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 4: the season, and it felt like the season turn for 82 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 4: him with the Lambeau muff on the punt in that 83 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 4: game late first half, teams up like twenty eight and nothing. 84 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 4: It got way more interesting than it should have been 85 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 4: and Vikings get out with the victory. 86 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: So we dig that. 87 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 4: But then he just kind of he kind of disappeared, 88 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 4: and so you know, I think with JJ McCarthy, you 89 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 4: see whether it's the Ravens game. 90 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: I mean, how about how about. 91 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 4: Seven total catches for Addison and Jefferson this last Sunday 92 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 4: on twenty three targets. Meanwhile, right out of the gates, 93 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 4: how about Naylor? And and that's a play by the 94 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 4: way where the kid QB who's made some mistakes, also 95 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 4: does some cool things where he identifies coverage sees he's 96 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 4: going to have that opportunity Addison with the legal yet 97 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 4: kind of if he pick play to get one one 98 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 4: v one on Naylor and then you just have to 99 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 4: have the beautiful, gorgeous fade ball that you saw that 100 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 4: we would be lauding the Mahomes and the josh Allens 101 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 4: of the world for seeing the same pass we saw 102 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 4: that from JJ. And then he makes the play Naylor 103 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 4: does after the catch to to make you know, a 104 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 4: thirty yard catch sixty two So you dig that, Yeah, 105 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 4: I mean I think he he right now. And speaking 106 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 4: of cricket sounders, in lieu of TJ. Hawkinson being productive 107 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 4: in this offense, the third best option for JJ McCarthy 108 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 4: absolutely is Jalen Naylor, a guy that the coach is lauded, 109 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 4: you know, and again he's he's not lighting up the statue, 110 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 4: but he's running the routes. I would bet Jalen Naylor's 111 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 4: probably been missed on three four five touchdowns this year 112 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 4: just by being in a just a high end route runner, 113 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 4: consistent production coverage being drawn to number eighteen and number three, 114 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 4: and Naylor's been that guy and it was cool to 115 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,119 Speaker 4: see him have that jump out game. 116 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: Love it. Look man, what a roller coaster this season. 117 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Thank you so much for your time, 118 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: marnopgiate you. You can also catch him on fan line 119 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: after the games on kfan as well as with Paul 120 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: Allen on nine to noon every weekday on KF. 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Welcome back into the Minnesota Vikings Podcast. 139 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm Tatum Everett from the Vikings Entertainment Network and the 140 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: Vikes are back in divisional play this week, so let's 141 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: get to it. It's Bears week, so that means we 142 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: get the pleasure of having ESPN's Courtney Cronin on our 143 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: Channel's Courty obviously used to cover the Vikings, but now 144 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: you cannot miss. 145 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: Her on ESPN. 146 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: She'll be covering the Vikings Bears game at us Bank 147 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: Stadium for ESPN NFL Countdown on. 148 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: Sunday, Courtney. 149 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: Wonderful to say, you're excited to come back to Minnesota. 150 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 3: Anytime I get to go back to Minnesota, which was 151 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: home for so long, and to play the game indoors 152 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 3: where I don't have to stand outside early in the 153 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: morning and freeze, I will sign up for that. Ten 154 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: out of ten. 155 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one thing I'm sure you missed a 156 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: little bit about this place. But speaking of the Bears, 157 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: who have been really turned their season around, they only 158 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: have one loss in the last seven games. What's really 159 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: led to their success in recent weeks. 160 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,119 Speaker 3: Well, I think Vikings fans can resonate with this because 161 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: they remember all those one score games their team was 162 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: in back in twenty twenty two, and this sort of 163 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: has a little feel like that here in Chicago. Given 164 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: the way that the Bengals game went, and then this 165 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: last weekend against the New York Giants, and of course 166 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: Washington in Week six and the Raiders before that, there's 167 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: been a little bit of this like heart palpitation sort 168 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: of thing that the Bears have given their fans over 169 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks. Given that they're now a 170 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: six and three team and they've gotten by and by 171 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 3: the skin of their teeth on a couple of these games, 172 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: and certainly the key to that has been Caleb Williams 173 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 3: putting this team in position with four fourth quarter game 174 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: winning drives the season, tied for the most in the 175 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 3: NFL currently. But beyond that, like big picture wise, this 176 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 3: team is winning games that it would have lost a 177 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: year ago, and players have admitted that. Ben Johnson has 178 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 3: said just as much too, that you learn how to 179 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 3: win like you learn how to shrink the margins when 180 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: you can close the gap on teams that you might 181 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 3: have let hang around far too long in a game 182 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 3: that you didn't put away when you had an opportunity to, 183 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 3: when you let penalties come into play, when you let 184 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: teams back in games the way they did two weeks 185 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: ago in Cincinnati. But being on the winning end of those, 186 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 3: you're not going to apologize for wins. Certainly they wish 187 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 3: that they could, you know, and hopefully for that their sake, 188 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 3: to be able to carry this thing forward, to be 189 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: able to win games far sooner than the final two minutes. 190 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: But they've shown that they can pull it off, and 191 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 3: so far it's worked and has them sitting tied for 192 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 3: first place. In the division. 193 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, how how much of that is the 194 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson effect? 195 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: I think that's a big part of it, And there 196 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: seems to be a different level of coaching acumen and 197 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: decision making when it comes to late game situations. And 198 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 3: the play that I like to point out comes from 199 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 3: Cincinnati two weeks ago. It's not just that the defense 200 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: gives up two touchdowns in a forty nine second stretch 201 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 3: and then Caleb Williams go and hits Colston Lovelin for 202 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: that fifty eight yard touchdown. To me, it's the plays 203 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 3: beyond that. In the final sequence with Cincinnati Bengals, Joe Flacco, 204 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 3: who has a bum shoulder, is getting ready to launch 205 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: a hail Mary pass, and unlike the hail Mary of 206 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 3: last year, that torpedo the Bear season, they rush the 207 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 3: pass or this time they send for they pressure, they're aggressive, 208 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: they're on the attack. That to me is emblematic of 209 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: what this coaching staff is bringing to these games and 210 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 3: bringing to their players that their players are then taking 211 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: into games. It's a competency thing that I think boils 212 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: down to the very nitty gritty level from play to play, 213 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 3: where they've got coaches that trust their players, but players 214 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: who also know that their coaches are going to put 215 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 3: them in a better situation than we would have seen 216 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 3: last year at this time, and that has carried over 217 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 3: to the belief that they have in each other, the 218 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: belief that this locker room has, that you've got a 219 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: quarterback who has a switch he can flip in a 220 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: two minute mode, whether it's at the end of the 221 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: first half, end of the second half, the second highest 222 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 3: QBR in the NFL right now two minutes or less 223 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: either half. So clearly they've got the right people in 224 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: place right now to be able to be sitting at 225 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 3: six and three. But I also know that they talk 226 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 3: about the fact that nothing is clean enough just yet 227 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: you got to put together like they have not played 228 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: a full complimentary football game this year, and that still 229 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 3: remains to be seen how and when they will do that. 230 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is does feel like some of the Vikings games. 231 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: How you when you speak about this team, some of 232 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: the Vikings teams from twenty twenty two and even some 233 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: of those games last year, very very familiar. And someone 234 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: who's very familiar with this Bears offense is Vikings defensive 235 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: coordinator Brian Flores, who said today that Caleb Williams thrives 236 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: in these late game situations. 237 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: Now, how have you seen that play out? 238 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: He's right, he does thrive. And I know that Caleb 239 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 3: made this remark a couple of weeks ago that his 240 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: heart rate actually drops in those moments, So I just 241 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: figured I was like, let me ask him about this, 242 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: like do you measure your heart right? He's like, well, no, 243 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: it's not like he's wearing an Apple watch, but it's 244 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: more of a feeling where I actually do think like 245 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: in more pressure packed moments he performs better. And maybe 246 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 3: it's because of a processing he doesn't have to process 247 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: as much. Maybe it's just seaball get ball sort of 248 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: thing for the receivers in that moment, and it feels 249 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 3: like the game, like I don't want to use the 250 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 3: cliche term, slows down for him, but it feels simpler 251 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: because it's a do or die situation. And really, the 252 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: last two weeks we've seen him get this team in 253 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 3: position with his legs to go win games Like that 254 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: fifty eight yard touchdown pass to Colston Lovelin does not 255 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 3: happen in Cincinnati unless he converts that critical third down 256 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: with his legs. Last week, the twenty nine yard scramble, 257 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: which was the longest of his career, sets up the 258 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 3: two yard touchdown pass to get the Bears back in 259 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, and then the go ahead scores 260 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 3: him running in a seventeen yard touchdown. So we know 261 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: that he can make plays out of structure and he 262 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 3: can make throws on the run. That's his bread and butter. 263 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: That's what one a heisman at USC But I think 264 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: him tapping into his legs as a weapon. Like I 265 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 3: talked to Dj Moore, Bears wide receiver, about this on 266 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: Sunday and he said, I feel like he's got the 267 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: green light more because he's seeing defenses playing two man 268 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: quarters man to man. It's giving him more running lanes 269 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: to be able to attack a team that he might 270 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: not have shown on tape at previous points of his career. 271 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: He's twenty plus games into his career as a. 272 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: Starter by now, and a lot of talk is made about, 273 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, working quarterbacks coming in they need that time 274 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: to develop. You've watched this process play out for Caleb. 275 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: How do you think the process is going to play 276 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: out or what are you seeing from the process with 277 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy Now four games in and really just finding 278 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: that consistency. 279 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: I think for JJ it's different just because it's been 280 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 3: stop start with injuries and he you know, he has 281 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: a great game here in Chicago in Week one, and 282 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: then the setback happens against Atlanta week two, and then 283 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: he's out, he misses a significant amount of time and 284 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: then to get back on the field. You know, for Caleb, 285 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: he's had a clean bill of health, which I know 286 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: is not a guarantee by any stretch in the NFL, 287 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: and that has helped him stay consistent out there because 288 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: he's not missing time. We know that Kevin O'Connell has 289 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: done a really solid job throughout his career of developing 290 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: different types of quarterbacks, older, established veteran quarterbacks, younger quarterbacks 291 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 3: who you know, have shown that they have the capability 292 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 3: but haven't put all of that potential together yet. So 293 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: I still think that the you know what he's doing 294 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: with JJ McCarthy, it's you get an incomplete grade on 295 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: it right now because there's just not a big enough 296 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 3: sample size to see the development in action. I think 297 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 3: that JJ had some good moments against the Detroit Lions 298 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: and that win, but then what happened against the Baltimore 299 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: Ravens and the two interceptions that he threw early and 300 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 3: some of the off target passes. Those are things that 301 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: you work through as a young quarterback. And when you 302 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: have a play caller who was so who was dedicated 303 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: to you your development, will you're the guy that he chose, 304 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 3: there's going to be that different level of emphasis on 305 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 3: I'm going to help sure or I'm going to help 306 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: make sure that you get it right. I mean, we 307 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 3: saw it here with Caleb Williams. Ben Johnson looked at 308 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: Caleb the day he was hired in the audience and said, 309 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: I came here because of you, but it's going to 310 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: take more than just you to make this thing work, 311 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: which I think is the case for any young quarterback. 312 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: But it's unique to see around the league right now, 313 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: the play callers and these second year qbs, the six 314 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 3: of whom were drafted in the first round. Bonix has 315 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 3: already had proof of concept because he got this team 316 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 3: to the playoffs last year. He's had a quieter couple 317 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 3: of games. Their offense is kind of in a rut. 318 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 3: But I saw it up close when I was on 319 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: the call for Eagles Broncos back in Week six, like 320 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 3: there's a belief from play caller to quarterback to go 321 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 3: win the game in critical moments. We're starting to see 322 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: it here with Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams. We are 323 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: seeing it in New England with Josh McDaniels and Drake May. 324 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 3: I think with time you'll see that more with Kevin o' 325 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 3: connell and JJ McCarthy. But you know, you have to 326 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 3: have that level of consistency of consistent games in which 327 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 3: the quarterback's able to be out there and playing in 328 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: order to know if it's working. 329 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, even though it's a small sample size, 330 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: he has played the Bears before, which is kind of 331 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: ironic for him moving forward, and that was a very 332 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: different game. And obviously Week one you almost have to 333 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: like wipe the slate clean now that we're heading into 334 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: Week eleven. And so as you go into this game, Courtney, 335 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: what is like one of the major storylines you are 336 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: now following heading in. 337 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: It's so interesting anytime the Bears played Brian Flores, and 338 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: particularly Caleb Williams, because I remember his first game last 339 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: year was at Week twelve at Soldier Field when they 340 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: played Week twelve or Week thirteen when they played the Vikings. 341 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: He was anticipating, you know, Flora's sending every blitz he's 342 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: ever drawn up in his entire coaching career at him, 343 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: and he called him king of Cover zero and he is. 344 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: But then it's like there's this perception there that was 345 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 3: obviously carried into this season. Week one and twenty six 346 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 3: of his dropbacks, Caleb Williams face like standard for a 347 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: man pressure. So it's I think that that's so fascinating 348 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 3: the chess match here where somebody and his emo of 349 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 3: being an aggressive, dial it up, send the kitchen sinkatchew 350 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 3: sort of defensive play caller versus I might these might 351 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: be simulated pressures, it might look like a blitz, it's not. 352 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 3: That's the cat and mouse game that I think was. 353 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: It really does test an offensive coordinator in a play caller. 354 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 3: And so for Ben Johnson, he said it reminds him of, 355 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 3: you know, early on in his career when he was 356 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 3: with the Dolphins and they played the New England Patriots 357 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: as often as they did twice a year because they 358 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: were in division. Because flow comes from that system when 359 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 3: a team can change its identity week to week and 360 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: what they're going to do that makes it so challenging, 361 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: and certainly Flora's defenses have done that throughout his time 362 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 3: in Minnesota, throughout his time in Miami as well. Like 363 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 3: he he can make it really tricky. So very curious 364 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: to see how differently, now that this is their second 365 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 3: time playing the Bears this year, how differently that game 366 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: plan will look from Week one, Because you obviously have 367 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 3: to account for Harrison Smith wasn't playing week one, Jonathan 368 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 3: Grenard his status, his availability with the shoulder injury. We 369 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 3: don't know if you might have your best edge rusher. 370 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 3: So I think there's a lot of cool things that 371 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 3: come into play about what the defensive game plan could 372 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 3: look like for the Vikings against this Bears offense, which 373 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: you know is a cool part of the chess match 374 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 3: that we really won't get to see until it starts 375 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 3: to unfold on Sunday. 376 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: It's a very fair evaluation. 377 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 3: I think. 378 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: When I was speaking to Blake Cashman after the Lions game, 379 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: he was talking about how they were focused on reverse psychology, 380 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: like we know that Jared Goff plays us and knows 381 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: what to expect with this, and so we're going to 382 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: do the exact opposite, but make you still think we're 383 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: doing that, and so it's. 384 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: All about that chess match, which of course we can't 385 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: wait to see. 386 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: But before I let you get going, I just want 387 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: to ask you, since you also just look at the 388 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: league from a bird's eye view as well. The NFC 389 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: North is again one of the stronger divisions. 390 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 2: There are several teams. 391 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: Going up and down the leader board in that division. 392 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: How do you evaluate where this NFC North is? You know, 393 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: halfway through the year. 394 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I mean that game on Monday night in 395 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: Green Bay was It's not going to be one that's 396 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 3: a burn the tape game of how ugly that one looked. 397 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 3: But it's November in a cold weather part of the country. 398 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 3: Those games are going to happen. And to see green 399 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: Bay lose. I remember going into last week thinking there 400 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 3: could be some significant jockeying of positioning based on some 401 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 3: of the games obviously Vikings Ravens and where the Bears 402 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 3: were playing the Giants and getting the win, and you 403 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: know what Detroit did against a Washington team that doesn't 404 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 3: have its starting quarterback. Like to see the shift take place, 405 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 3: to see Detroit and the Bears with identical records, obviously 406 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 3: Detroit currently has the tie breaker because you know, if 407 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 3: it ended today, they the one win over Chicago and 408 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 3: then to see where the Vikings and the Packers are, like, 409 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: I tell people like just you know, don't don't expect 410 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 3: it to stay this way. I think it remains like 411 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: a very competitive division division. I think that the NFC 412 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 3: West is certainly taking the cake on that this year. 413 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 3: They're my pick for the division that gets three in 414 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: like the NFC Nor did last year. But I still 415 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 3: think in order to get into the postseason for any 416 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 3: of these teams, a division winner and for the wildcard spot, 417 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 3: I think it does take double digit wins in this division. 418 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: And you know, a team like the Bears, they've got 419 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 3: the Vikings coming up, they've got Green Bay twice, they've 420 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 3: got the Lions the end of the season, you know, 421 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 3: to start in an O two hole, whereas the Vikings 422 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 3: are on the opposite side of that. With a couple 423 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 3: early division wins. It's this is about as critical of 424 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 3: a game as it could possibly be in a week's 425 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 3: eleven scenario for a team that has to show we 426 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 3: can beat the teams that you might call the you know, 427 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: a different category, the bad teams. In the NFL. Go 428 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: beat a good team and do it in their place 429 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 3: and gain some ground in what's a competitive division just 430 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: about every year. 431 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: Awesome. 432 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Courtney, and we appreciate you 433 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: making your media rounds here with Minnesota Today. 434 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: Looking forward to seeing you on Sunday. 435 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. 436 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: A big thank you to Courtney Cronin again. 437 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: You can catch her on ESPN NFL Countdown reporting live 438 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: from US Bank Stadium on Sunday at noon. 439 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: Of course, you can hear the pregame show. 440 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: On Kfan beginning at ten am with mus Paul Allen 441 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: and Pete Bursach. 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