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Speaker 3: Some sense, they said, snow, I gotta get the run

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you're gonna mind your p's and q's on

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Speaker 2: the roads this morning. Not a whole lot's been taken

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Speaker 2: five o six, So, uh, you've got some time. I

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Speaker 2: presume there are school in business closings. I'm busily trying

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Speaker 2: to find it on the website. Just tracker, executiveroducer where's

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Speaker 2: the school in business closings link? I don't know. It's

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Speaker 2: not in my control anymore. Those days are long gone,

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Speaker 2: so if you can find it, please let me know.

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Speaker 2: It's a little embarrassing that you know. Well. Listen, some

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Speaker 2: people have issues with their employer from time to time.

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Speaker 2: Some people have technical difficulties that are out of their control.

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Speaker 2: It's out of my control right now. But I want

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Speaker 2: to thank Zimmer Heating and Air Conditioning for sponsoring these

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Speaker 2: school and business closings. Find people they are, and I

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Speaker 2: will give them props for doing so. Sadly, I can

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Speaker 2: find out where these school and business closings are Addie

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Speaker 2: how Brian Thomas right here glad to be. If you've

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Speaker 2: five one, three, seven, four, nine fifty five hundred, eight

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at it. Christopher Smithaman and Spleen vent from

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Speaker 2: yesterday the Sine Type in Print Museum Charles Dickens Christmas

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Speaker 2: got three days to get on into the Print and

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Speaker 2: Type or Type in Print Museum and you'll get to

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Speaker 2: use the reproduction of the Gutenberg Press to print out

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Speaker 2: chapter five of Charles Dickens a Christmas Carol, which is

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Speaker 2: the one where Ebney's a Scrooge wakes up on Christmas

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Speaker 2: facing eternal damnation for not being a charitable person. So

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Speaker 2: to print out some Christmas paper three days worth of that.

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Speaker 2: The details that you have cares dot Com, so check

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Speaker 2: expressing frustration you're creating? Oh, Joe Strecker is going to

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Speaker 2: do it. Doesn't that job exist in Chicago or something.

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Speaker 2: There's someplace out in the world that deals with all

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Speaker 2: of our technical issues, probably Arizona, where they're not experiencing

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Speaker 2: heavy snowfall, as the roads are quite slick, stating the obvious.

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Speaker 2: But for some people, Cincinnati Snowplowed Tracker is live now.

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Speaker 2: I maybe it's just me. I was anxious to click

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Speaker 2: It's a black screen. It's like, Joe, does it work

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Speaker 2: Although I drove see from Sims Township East Kemper down

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Speaker 2: guess no one's gonna get traffic today. Joe Strecker happens

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Speaker 2: Poor folks in Mount Adams didn't even get their roads treated.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if things have changed this morning. You can

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Speaker 2: about the seven o'clock hour, the return of our Citizen Watchdog,

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Speaker 2: the man responsible for the Citizen Watchdog podcast produced by

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Speaker 2: executive producer Joe Strecker. And letim put a plug in

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Speaker 2: for Joe. You want to do a podcast, You want

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Speaker 2: former Inspector General for the United States of America, always

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Speaker 2: keeping his eye on the shenannigans going on in downtown.

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Speaker 2: There seems to be an endless supply of those topics.

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Speaker 2: there may be a solution coming our way thanks to

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Speaker 2: Todd will explain all of that and let me encourage

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Speaker 2: you to well check out his podcast wherever you find

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Speaker 2: your podcast at Citizen Watchdog eight oh five. Of course,

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Speaker 2: it's Tuesday, the Inside Scoop that Bright Bart News financial

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Speaker 2: editor John Carney is going to be doing an empower

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Speaker 2: It's been like this for a year. Both sides are

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Speaker 2: seeming to be in an impossible, untenable position with regard

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Speaker 2: him to chime in on that. Russia proclaiming final victory

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Speaker 2: we'll get the Daniel Davis Deep Dive at eight thirty.

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Speaker 2: Then we get the sc expert, my good friends at OHC,

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Speaker 2: the cancer specialists today doctor ANDW. Paul on lung cancer. Well,

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Speaker 2: West Island White Terrier. That dog would run the hell away,

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Speaker 2: was out of Dolly's hands. Someone stole the dog with

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Speaker 2: business closings and then that will be it. You didn't

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Speaker 2: have to do anything by way of content. I remember,

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Speaker 2: long after we had electronic school and business closings and

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Speaker 2: alerts on cell phones. I remember Jim Scott. He used

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Speaker 2: to love to do him and he stuck to tradition

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Speaker 2: as long as he could. God bless him anyway. I

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Speaker 2: just looked and yes, the school and business closings are

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Speaker 2: now linked on my page fifty five krs dot com.

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Speaker 2: And uh, going back and waxing poetic about the old

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Speaker 2: days when I would wait around for my dad to

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Speaker 2: read the school in business closing, hoping and hoping and hoping.

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Speaker 2: He would say, oak Hills Local Schools, Yeah, they're closed too.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much everybody is today, so make sure you check

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Speaker 2: it if you haven't gotten some advanced alert. And Joe said,

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Speaker 2: the snow trackerer alert will add this to the stack.

444
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Speaker 2: Is stupid because the brand new just launched yesterday Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Snowtracker apparently is down. It was working for Joe earlier.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't get it to work, but he said he,

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Speaker 2: I guess it's been overwhelmed by the number of people

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Speaker 2: clicking on it. Joe or something to that effect, or

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Speaker 2: maybe they just turned it off because they didn't want

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Speaker 2: to demonstrate incompetence. I'm just speculating at this juncture over

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Speaker 2: the stack is stupid. Joe likes to throw me a

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Speaker 2: curveball every once in a while to see if he

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Speaker 2: can maintain see if I can maintain FCC compliance. While

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Speaker 2: reading an article as this tradition, which has the headline

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Speaker 2: Kinky Kelly headed to jail for PA spree. What okay,

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Speaker 2: let's give it a shot. New Hampshire woman known on

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Speaker 2: OnlyFans website. You may not be familiar with it, and

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Speaker 2: maybe you are if you're looking for It's Kinky Kelly

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Speaker 2: going to jail for six months for criminal mischief, during

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Speaker 2: which she filmed herself urinating on food at a supermarket

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Speaker 2: and in various items at a Marriott hotel.

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Speaker 4: Do what the hell?

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Speaker 2: I've warned people about the hotel thing, man, because I

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Speaker 2: have seen stuff like this before articles to this effect.

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Speaker 2: People will go around and do really disgusting things to

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Speaker 2: various items in hotel rooms and then leave. What sort

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Speaker 2: of weird pleasure do you get from violating like the

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Speaker 2: coffee maker and leaving that next gut or the remote

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Speaker 2: that's another one, Joe anyway. Kelly Tedford Kinky Kelly, twenty

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Speaker 2: four years old, plead guilty to a Class A mystery

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Speaker 2: several Class A misdemeanors in connection with her antics earlier

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Speaker 2: this year. Sentenced to three hundred and sixty days in jail,

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Speaker 2: but a judge suspended half of that. She will be

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Speaker 2: required to serve one hundred and eighty days in Cheshire

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Speaker 2: County lock Up, after which she will be placed on

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Speaker 2: probation for two years. Also ordered to pay ten five

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty one dollars in restitution to the Monondoc

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Speaker 2: Food co Op for contaminating grocery items. So I have

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Speaker 2: to pay five hundred dollars to the Marriotte where it

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Speaker 2: says here in an extraordinarily vile act, a vile act.

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Speaker 2: She relieved herself on a Bible comfort, her blanket, curtains

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Speaker 2: and an air conditioner unit. Why are you doing that?

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Speaker 2: There is no answer to that question. In addition, she

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Speaker 2: defecated on the floor and placed waste into the toilet tank.

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Speaker 2: Try to process that, they say. Detectives believe this spree

486
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Speaker 2: was recorded for subscribers to her fifteen dollars month only

487
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Speaker 2: fans page, where she describes herself as a submissive pixie

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Speaker 2: fetish slash kink friendly prian extremes too close quote. Her

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Speaker 2: account also offered custom content and paid sexting sessions. Where

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Speaker 2: in the hell this twenty four year old run off

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Speaker 2: the rails? This is the world we live in, Hey,

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Speaker 2: thanks social media. Really appreciate that. Five forty six fifty

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Speaker 2: Jim Keifer chimed in, not to be outdone by Drew

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Speaker 2: Pappas measuring the snow with something over in Anderson Township.

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Speaker 2: He said there's four inches in chrysil but he didn't

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Speaker 2: use the Pappas measuring device. Really have no idea what

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Speaker 2: these people are talking about it go to the phones, cribbage. Mike,

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Speaker 2: saw your excellent gas price two dollars and ten cents

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Speaker 2: with your Kroger rewards card. Outstanding man, I felt.

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Speaker 1: I went back in time.

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Speaker 7: It's pretty nice to hope it continues to go in

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Speaker 7: that direction.

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Speaker 2: No kidding? Am I going to see you a listener

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Speaker 2: lunch tomorrow. The burning question I've got Price sal Chilly

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Speaker 2: for the last one of the year, absolutely.

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Speaker 7: Sir, and a well timed Tuesday Wednesday off that I'm

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Speaker 7: home today and don't have to be out in that mess,

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Speaker 7: and then then of course being able to go to

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Speaker 7: listener lunch. But I at least hope they plow sunset

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Speaker 7: because coming from Amelia, I'm going to go over Queen

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Speaker 7: City and I want to see a repaid sunset on

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Speaker 7: my way up the priceal Chilly tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it as well. It's the first

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Speaker 2: time I'll have driven on it since it got resurfaced.

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Speaker 2: I'm still I'm you know, half of me doesn't really

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Speaker 2: want to believe it happened. I've been told over and

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Speaker 2: over good they actually did resurface it, but I'm going

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Speaker 2: to remain skeptical until I on it tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: I'm surprised they have. Did they have a ribbon cutting

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Speaker 7: or something to take advantage of? Yeah, I know, such

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Speaker 7: a glorious event.

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Speaker 2: And I'll admit part of me wants to think I

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Speaker 2: had something to do with it, because I've been complaining

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Speaker 2: about it since I've been on radio next year twenty years.

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Speaker 2: So anyhow, well done, sir, thank you and appreciate your

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Speaker 2: timing in Mike tomorrow, Price will Chili be there west side,

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Speaker 2: Jim Key for I know you sent me the snow measurement.

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Speaker 2: Get out in front of Price sal Chili and see

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Speaker 2: how the snowplows deal with the new speed bumps. Big

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00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: question mark swirling around that back to the stack is stupid.

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Speaker 2: Don't do this. De Molin police detectives asking for the

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Speaker 2: public's help locating a guy who has wanted for gun

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Speaker 2: and drug charges. Damian Buckner, thirty six, apparently possession of

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Speaker 2: two handguns. End quote delivery quantity close quote marijuana. I

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Speaker 2: think that's process for sale. Officers responded to investigate a

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Speaker 2: report of a gunfire at his home. Mister Buckner injured

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Speaker 2: when a handgun stored in an oven fired multiple rounds

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Speaker 2: as the oven was heating up. Idiots doing idiot things

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Speaker 2: because they're idiots the definition of idiots. Buckner wanted on

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Speaker 2: active orangs for felony possession of a firearm and possession

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Speaker 2: of controlled substance with intent to deliver. So they want

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Speaker 2: your help if you know where he is. Since it's

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Speaker 2: des Moines, Iowa, it's certainly possible. My listening audience includes

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Speaker 2: friends from Des Moines, Iowa. And if you're out in

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Speaker 2: Des Moines, Iowa today, please give me a call and

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Speaker 2: don't do this. And I feel terribly because the kid

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Speaker 2: had been diagnosed with schizophrenia and previously institutionalized as a child,

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Speaker 2: but also did time in prison. We go to Brazil

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Speaker 2: where Garrison del Melo Machada, who was nineteen, snuck into

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Speaker 2: a lioness's pen at the park Zubatanio Zoo, scrambled over

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Speaker 2: the wiretop fence climbed down a tree inside the lion's pen.

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Speaker 2: Visitors described his horrified watch helplessly as lioness named Leona

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Speaker 2: ran over to the foot of the tree as he

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Speaker 2: was slowly climbing down, waiting for her prey to well

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Speaker 2: jump in front of her, and then pounced on him,

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Speaker 2: dragging the teenager behind a wall. Apparently, Machado reappeared briefly

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Speaker 2: as he tried to run away before the lioness leapt

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Speaker 2: on him again. As I mentioned, the child had been

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Speaker 2: previously diagnosed with cognitive dysfunction previously snuck into a landing

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Speaker 2: gear of an African bound plane in pursuit of his

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Speaker 2: dream to tame lions fortunately discovered in time before the

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Speaker 2: plane took out, got referred to Chold Protective Services. That

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Speaker 2: was a prior incident. The zoo did confirm the teenager

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Speaker 2: was dead, stating that the lioness and here's the important part,

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Speaker 2: would not be euthanized because it wasn't the animal's fault.

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Speaker 2: Accord to the zoo, it was immediately evaluated. The animal

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Speaker 2: was by a technical team and remains under continuous observation

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Speaker 2: and monitoring as she experienced a high level of stress.

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Speaker 2: Leona's healthy does not exhibit aggresive behavior outside the context

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Speaker 2: of this incident, will not be euthanized. Protocol situations like

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Speaker 2: this provides exactly what is being done monitoring, behavioral assessment

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Speaker 2: and specialized care. The zoo did have to close after

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Speaker 2: the incident, pursuing to their safety protocols. I can't even

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Speaker 2: qualify that as a cautionary tale. Five fifty six fifty

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Speaker 2: five KRCD talk station plenty to talk about coming up

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Speaker 2: with a six o'clock hour. I do welcome phone calls

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Speaker 2: five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifty five hundred, eight

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Speaker 2: I'm us here glad to be that made it to work.

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Speaker 2: Unlike some people, I'm not going to make fun of

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Speaker 2: checking for not showing up the work. Maybe something's wrong

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Speaker 2: out there and Tom didn't call him this morning either,

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Speaker 2: kind of worried about him. Usually hear from him. In

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Speaker 2: the five point thirty segment, he's a woos Joe. Okay,

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Speaker 2: fair enough, you draw your own conclusions, so I hope

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Speaker 2: he's all right. You can feel free to call for

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Speaker 2: something you want to talk about five one three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifty five eight hundred eight two three. It's of course

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Speaker 2: in the greater Cincinnati area. Where do you want the

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Speaker 2: snow out there? School closings and delays are alive and

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Speaker 2: well fifty five care sea dot com on my blog page,

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Speaker 2: there's a link, and yeah, your school's probably closed or

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Speaker 2: at least delayed, Lots and lots of them. And in

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Speaker 2: so far as the brand new snow plow Tracker Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: launched this yesterday to explain what roads have been touched

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Speaker 2: or untouched with the case of him, whether it been

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Speaker 2: salted or plowed. It's not working. It was working for

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Speaker 2: Joe earlier in the morning, but apparently I guess the

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Speaker 2: number of clicks on it, the site's crashed. Whatever the

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Speaker 2: problem is. It was launched yesterday, so I'm not exactly

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Speaker 2: going to put a check mark in the wind column

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Speaker 2: on that one. But to the extent it works, someday

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Speaker 2: it may help you figure out which roads have been touched. Notably,

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Speaker 2: the ones between my home and here at the Towers

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Speaker 2: of Kenwood did not appear as if they had been

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Speaker 2: dealt with yet, So be very careful out there, ultimately,

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Speaker 2: is what I'm encouraging you to do. So that further doo.

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Speaker 2: What's coming up Citizen Watchdog Todd Zinser. He is amazing

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Speaker 2: former Inspector General for the United States of America. He'll

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Speaker 2: be dealing with some of the local issues, which is

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Speaker 2: what he does all the time. Again, props to Todd

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Speaker 2: Zinser and his podcast, produced by executive producer Joe Strecker

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Speaker 2: Citizen Watchdog. Today we'll talk about the Cincinni scrap lead

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Speaker 2: homes full hour in studio with the brilliant man that

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Speaker 2: is Todd Zenser inside Scoop with breit Bart News. Moving

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Speaker 2: forward to eight oh five, we hear the from the

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Speaker 2: Breitbart Finance editor John Carney, who's doing an empower You

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Speaker 2: seminar tonight. Log in from the comfort and convenience of

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Speaker 2: your own home. It's a virtual class only beginning at

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Speaker 2: seven pm. Will interest rates be coming down? Good question?

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Speaker 2: See if he knows the answer to that. What else

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Speaker 2: is on Daniel Davis Deep Dive at eight thirty Quite

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Speaker 2: a few headlines score over with Daniel Davis, Russia, Ukraine

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Speaker 2: and whatever is going on in Israel and Gaza. Finally

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Speaker 2: asked the expert, doctor Andrew Paul, one of the brilliant

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Speaker 2: doctors at OHC, the cancer specialists, my doctor, He'll join

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Speaker 2: us at the end of the program in the eight

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Speaker 2: o'clock yard to talk about lung cancer anyhow, without further ado,

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Speaker 2: you know one of my favorite topics. I just love

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Speaker 2: the idea of global warming and climate change because you

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Speaker 2: know that gives governments the opportunity to change our well

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Speaker 2: everything there is to change about our lives. It's a

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Speaker 2: nefarious plot against us. I'm convinced. Go ahead, try to

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Speaker 2: convince me I'm wrong. But carbon dioxide is not a

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Speaker 2: pollutant period end of story. Naturally occurring plant food. Why

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Speaker 2: are we busting our hump and killing ourselves trying to

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Speaker 2: eliminate carbon dioxide from the environment. You want to get

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Speaker 2: rid of mercury, We get rid of workleer. You want

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Speaker 2: to get rid of, you know, carcinogenic pollutants. Do that?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead to prive the plants of food. Anyhow. A

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Speaker 2: couple of related stories on this, the October EV sales crash.

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Speaker 2: Don't let your business model rely on government subsidies is

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Speaker 2: the lesson to be learned from this one, Relying primarily

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Speaker 2: on the lost Wall Street Journal op ed piece on this.

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Speaker 2: The seventy five hundred dollars per vehicle tax credit is

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Speaker 2: over ended in September. September thirtieth, last day to get that,

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Speaker 2: So if you bought an EV after September thirtieth, I

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Speaker 2: don't have to pay part of your vehicle cost, which

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Speaker 2: is exactly what it is, taxpayer funded seventy five hundred

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Speaker 2: dollars tax credit. Cox Automotive, which keeps track of vehicles sold,

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Speaker 2: said they drop thirty percent year over this October down.

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Speaker 2: They sold under seventy four or seventy five thousand vehicles,

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Speaker 2: saying October marked the sharp reversal of the electric vehicle

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Speaker 2: market as the expiration of the federal EV tax credit

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Speaker 2: cooled demand. So sales drop apparently gott to be pinching

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Speaker 2: the margins of US manufacturers, which is reported here, most

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Speaker 2: of whom losing money on electric cars even when sales

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Speaker 2: were brilliant. GM Ford stillanis suggested their EV production to

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Speaker 2: account for the sales plunge. Quote. EV profitability remains a

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Speaker 2: distant dream for nearly every automaker, according to a statement

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Speaker 2: from Cox, the folks that are following the data, huh,

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Speaker 2: I guess you don't want them absent big freebe compliments

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Speaker 2: in the American taxpayer. What else? The left's climate dream

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Speaker 2: hits energy reality. Chris Horner over at the Wall Street

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Speaker 2: Journal on this one, I just go ahead and read it,

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Speaker 2: because you know, illustrates backcrap insanity. And when reality shows

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Speaker 2: up and the voters start rebelling against your green climate

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Speaker 2: agenda because they can't afford their electric bill, you tend

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Speaker 2: to change their tune. Like Massachusetts Governor Heally, here's what

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Speaker 2: they write. And Chris Horner, anyway, a politically driven effort

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Speaker 2: to force a transition from traditional power to win solar

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Speaker 2: and battery has produced an energy crisis in Blue America anyway,

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Speaker 2: Progressive led states are beset by increasing electricity rates and

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Speaker 2: declining reliability. Although their leaders uniformly blamed President Trump, the

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Speaker 2: costs becomes so high that some on the left are

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Speaker 2: finally scaling back these destructive policies. But it's no guarantees,

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Speaker 2: sobriety will win the day. New left wing awareness of

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Speaker 2: energy realities is apparent coast to coast. Former New Jersey

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Speaker 2: Representative Mickey Cheryl won the state's governorship this month in

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Speaker 2: part by pledging to deal with high electricity costs. As

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Speaker 2: a member of Congress, however, she reliably voted for the

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Speaker 2: energy transition agenda, although on the campaign trail she blamed

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's policies for her state's problems. Naturally, it's all

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's fault. The snow and the traffic is Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's fault. By the way, Governor Gavin Newsom moderating some

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Speaker 2: of his positions in anticipation of yes his twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: eight presidential run. They have the nation's highest electricity rates,

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Speaker 2: by the way, Newsom recently signed legislation returning billions to

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Speaker 2: state's leaguered rate pairs as he slowed some of the

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Speaker 2: quote unquote climate regulations he previously helped accelerate. Newsom deflected

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Speaker 2: responsibility to subsidy reductions because of President Trump subsidy reductions.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's the lynchpin I and Joe Strecker, and you

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Speaker 2: have to pay for California's stupid efforts to reduce carbon

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Speaker 2: dioxide in the air subsidies. If they take them away,

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Speaker 2: then you got to change your tune, says Yet recent

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Speaker 2: infighting over detransitioning in Massachusetts indicates that holdouts do remain

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Speaker 2: opposing even the most sensible adjustments. In late October, the

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Speaker 2: organizeation tasked with ensuring the reliability of New England's grid

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Speaker 2: warned of power shortages as soon as well. This winner

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Speaker 2: I E. Right Now emphasized the need to obtain dependable

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Speaker 2: energy production, just of which solar and wind will not

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Speaker 2: deliver sufficient constant, reliable power, no excrement, basing onhappy voters

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Speaker 2: and an election in less than a year, Democratic Governor

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Speaker 2: Mara Heally clumsily denied responsibility for Massachusetts predicament, only to

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Speaker 2: be embarrassed when videos emerge of her taking credit for

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Speaker 2: blocking the energy infrastructure she now says the state desperately needs. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's those pipelines that she wouldn't allow to go through.

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Speaker 2: Other Democrats scrambling for the exits to Last week, leading

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Speaker 2: Democratic members of the Bay States House, the Representatives sought

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Speaker 2: to force a vote before adjourneying for the year to

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Speaker 2: change the Commonwealth's twenty thirty climate mandate into an aspirational goal.

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Speaker 2: While yes blaming President Trump, lead sponsor and Energy Committee

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Speaker 2: co chair, Representative Mark cus X said he had the

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Speaker 2: House Speaker's support, but after what one news outlet called

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Speaker 2: an avalanche of opposition from climate group's party leadership, block

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Speaker 2: the vote, a direct rebuke to Miss Healey, who continues

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Speaker 2: to prioritize legislation, doubling down on the green agenda, styled

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Speaker 2: with accuracy typical of the transition vernacular as the Energy Affordability,

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Speaker 2: Independent and Innovation Act. Yeah, you can read that in

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Speaker 2: the same way you can read Inflation Reduction Act. There's

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Speaker 2: nothing going to be affordable about energy when they pursue

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Speaker 2: this green agenda. Let's just name it something that looks

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Speaker 2: like we're doing something on behalf of the rate pairs.

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Speaker 2: As politically smart as it would be to pivot, the

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Speaker 2: governor is simply too invested in the climate activist world.

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Speaker 2: The statewide elected officials since twenty fourteen, Healey exercised the

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Speaker 2: authorities of office to advance these policies in coordination with

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Speaker 2: the party's donor class. Take, for example, the resurface videos

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Speaker 2: of her insisting in twenty twenty two on the quote

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Speaker 2: absolute close quote necessity of opposing new gas build out

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Speaker 2: and bragging about having blocked two natural gas pipelines into

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Speaker 2: the state while she was Attorney General uh oh in

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Speaker 2: an amekas brief she fought in twenty sixteen in the

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Speaker 2: case challenging Massachusetts regulator's order allowing a utility to build

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Speaker 2: a natural gas pipeline financed by ratepayers. Heally's victory in

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Speaker 2: the case came about thanks to what her office called

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Speaker 2: an expert study that showed that New England didn't need

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Speaker 2: new natural gas infrastructure to serve the electric sector and

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Speaker 2: examine the implications of a different energy choices on climate

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Speaker 2: and energy costs. Keep in mind that expert report, because

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Speaker 2: it kept circulating the journal or. Mister Horner says you

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Speaker 2: know what will we do without experts the study? Get

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Speaker 2: a load of this. This is the one that was

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Speaker 2: relied on in court, paid for by a three hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars grant to then Attorney General Heally from a

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Speaker 2: place called the Bar Foundation, described as a project of

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Speaker 2: Continental Cable Vision founder now climate activist Amos barr Ostedter Junior.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh. Heally boasted using the study to block pipelines

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Speaker 2: in a twenty seventeen memorandum requesting a group created by

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Speaker 2: climate activists Michael Bloomberg. The writer he office with a

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Speaker 2: special Assistant Attorneys General to help advance progressive, clean energy,

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Speaker 2: climate change, and environmental legal positions. At least a dozen

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Speaker 2: Democratic attorneys general, including Heally, participated in that program, which

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Speaker 2: was criticized in the Wall Street Journal, among other places.

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Speaker 2: As governor, miss Healey in twenty twenty four createdy an

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Speaker 2: Office of Energy Transformation tasked with supporting her proposed energy

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Speaker 2: affordability legislation. The office staffed on a pro bono basis

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Speaker 2: with the same quote unquote experts study authors that she

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Speaker 2: used when misjudging the state's need as attorney general. In

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Speaker 2: other words, that study that said we don't need no

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Speaker 2: natural gas. We need wind and solar. We can do

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Speaker 2: fine without anything else wrong. How's that working out for you?

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Speaker 2: It's encouraging that from New Jersey to California some progressives

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Speaker 2: elected officials are pumping the brakes on energy transition. The

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Speaker 2: question is whether enough of the peers we'll see things

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Speaker 2: more clearly before the lights go out, and of course

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Speaker 2: before people freeze to death. Joe, I see your call.

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Speaker 2: I'll take you right out of the gate. I do

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Speaker 2: realize the amount of time in the segment six eighteen right now,

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Speaker 2: I'm seventy one. Not quite sure whether he was coming

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Speaker 2: from north or southbound seventy one, but it doesn't surprise

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Speaker 2: me given the condition of I seventy one when I

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Speaker 2: came into work. It was a little after three this

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Speaker 2: morning as I hit the roadway, so just be careful.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of terrible out there anyway. That's what the

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Speaker 2: cough buttons for Brian apologies.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Further, those green policy stuff e I mean, all of

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Speaker 2: it seems to go without saying. So, you know, I

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Speaker 2: have like a stack of these articles. I commented a

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Speaker 2: couple of them, but pivot over to Europe, you know,

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Speaker 2: a cautionary tale. Don't do what other countries do when

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Speaker 2: it ruins them. Huh. Don't go socialist when it rule

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Speaker 2: like that as well. Okay, you want to be socialists

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Speaker 2: out there, my little comedy socialist friends, go ahead. Look

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Speaker 2: what it did to Look at what did to Venezuela's economy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: runaway inflation. It drove everybody in the toilet, and anybody

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Speaker 2: who was capable of leaving the country left a long

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Speaker 2: time ago. Huh. How about that another failure. It's in

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Speaker 2: front of you everywhere. Don't do that. A couple of

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Speaker 2: fun facts from greening Europe's effort to slash their carbon dioxide.

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Speaker 2: Germany the highest domestic energy prices in the entire developed world,

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Speaker 2: United Kingdom the highest industrial electricity rates, according to a

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Speaker 2: basket of twenty eight major economies analyzed by the International

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Speaker 2: Energy Agency. They say Italy not far behind average electricity

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Speaker 2: prices for heavy industries in the entire European Union, roughly

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Speaker 2: twice of those in the United States, and oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: fifty percent above China. Hum. This is apparently hobbling the

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Speaker 2: word they used. Europe's ability to attract key economic drivers

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Speaker 2: like artificial intelligence. Fun fact on that one. Get a

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Speaker 2: load of this. It's so bad over there their efforts

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Speaker 2: to remove carbon dioxide. Ireland. The state grid operator in

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Speaker 2: Ireland imposed an effective moratorium on new data centers that

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Speaker 2: things that drive the cloud, computing and artificial intelligence moratorium

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Speaker 2: until twenty twenty eight. Why because existing data centers drained

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Speaker 2: over one fifth of the country's electlectricity supply last year.

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Speaker 2: Now say what we want about data centers, whether you

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Speaker 2: what one in your backyard or your state, or your

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Speaker 2: country at all or not. This is the wave of

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Speaker 2: the future. If you're going to compete in this world,

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Speaker 2: apparently you need these things. So sucks to be you Ireland.

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Speaker 2: Your green energy policies make it impossible. CEO of a

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Speaker 2: German data center operator, guy named Jerome Evans, sought to

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Speaker 2: expand his two data centers in Frankfurt, Germany. The local

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Speaker 2: power provider told him he would have to wait a

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Speaker 2: decade until twenty thirty five for the energy to power them.

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Speaker 2: Someone wrote China wins exclamation point after that, and most notably,

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Speaker 2: I'd love this headline from over in Fox News, and

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Speaker 2: of course it delves into the details on it. Chinese

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Speaker 2: Communist Party linked firms quietly hold steaks in US solar companies,

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Speaker 2: fuelling dems green push. So while you're pushing for this

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Speaker 2: green energy, which hobbles you economically, which drives the cost

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Speaker 2: of energy up, which impacts you the consumer, who are

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Speaker 2: desperately trying to find ways to pair back your expenses

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Speaker 2: because of this pesky reality of inflation. This is artificial inflation.

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Speaker 2: This is driving your energy prices up artificially, and to

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Speaker 2: what end. Going back to the Chinese Communist Party, how

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Speaker 2: many times do we have to point out over and

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Speaker 2: over again they continually build coal plants while we cut

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Speaker 2: our throat to the name of reducing plant food. They

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Speaker 2: are building out their energy infrastructure. It remains far more

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Speaker 2: affordable for them, and we are funding that by buying

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Speaker 2: their blanking products. They love shoving this green stuff down

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Speaker 2: our throat. I mean, you can think about the social

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Speaker 2: media out there that they have so much control over,

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Speaker 2: the bot farms, the individuals TikTok for example. Do you

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Speaker 2: think there's any narrative on those Chinese Communist Party controlled

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Speaker 2: a site, any narra that suggests this is a laugh,

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Speaker 2: that this is nonsense, This idea of limiting carbon dioxide

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Speaker 2: Hell no. They make fat bank on convincing you that

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Speaker 2: you need to continue to believe in the religion and

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Speaker 2: that that idiot Thomas on the radio is wrong. Coming

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Speaker 2: about six twenty eight fifty five KRC the talk station,

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing you can certainly count on

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Speaker 2: sex thirty three if you give up car and s

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Speaker 2: DE talk station Todds ends or Citizen Watchdog. At the

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Speaker 2: top of the air news we'll talk about the Sin

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Speaker 2: Sin Scrap lead pipe scandal, the Snap and Wick programs

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Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, as well as unregulated group homes. Looking forward

856
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Speaker 2: to that. Speaking of well food programs, snap Wick programs, uh,

857
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: Apparently millions of dollars have been stolen for food assistance

858
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Speaker 2: in the state of Ohio, the Ohio Benefits cards, the

859
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Speaker 2: Snap cards, the Direction Card of Ohio EBT. That's what

860
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: they're called susceptible to skimming technology because we're not using

861
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: modern technology naturally, because they didn't keep fraud, wasting abuse

862
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: in the forefront of their mind when they started this.

863
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: Thieves stole seventeen million dollars roughly in Snap benefits for

864
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Speaker 2: more than thirty four thousand Ohio households. This between June

865
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Speaker 2: of twenty three and December of twenty four, federal government

866
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: used taxpayer dollars to reimburse those benefits that were stolen. Well,

867
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Speaker 2: now apparently the victims have to eat the loss props.

868
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: To Enquire's Jesse Baumber reporting, there you go, bipartisan proposal

869
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: from a Representative Kelly Deeter of Republican at A Norwalk

870
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: and Representative Tristan Raider, Democrat of Lakewood, oh Look, bipartisanship

871
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 2: will require Ohio to add chip technology to the benefit

872
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 2: cars within two years. Now, this is going to cost

873
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: ten point six million dollars. I don't know if it's

874
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: a one time expenditure, it sounds like it is. But

875
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 2: if you get seventeen million dollars stolen in a little

876
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 2: more than a year, I think it's a worthy investment

877
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: of ten point six if it's going to prevent that

878
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: from happening. Apparently Maryland and oak Lahoma updated their cards

879
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: to include chip technology, but the federal government has not

880
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: rolled out a nationwide solution for skimming fraud. If this

881
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: is the solution, you ask yourself, why wouldn't the federal

882
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: government issue a mandate on that? Since you and I

883
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: the American taxpayers are shouldering the burden for a lot

884
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 2: of this hasn't passed the House Committee at this effort

885
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: to add chips or received a full House vote. However,

886
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Speaker 2: House Built one sixty three does have the support of

887
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: Ohio Council for Retail Merchants, the Ioassociation of Food Banks,

888
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: and several legal aid societies in Ohio. So if you're

889
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: worried about scamming, the following information has been passed along

890
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: to you. Check for a card skimmer. They often place

891
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: phony pin keypads over the original devices, sometimes using a

892
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: small camera to record the pin so loose protruding parts

893
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: could indicate foul play. I'd say, grab a hold of

894
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: that thing and jiggle it. Don't share your pin good

895
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 2: advice across the board and use card lock and alrics,

896
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 2: card lock and unlocked feature on the connect ebt application,

897
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: use alerts to notify you when the card is used.

898
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: So that's outstanding information. And hopefully very soon, as opposed

899
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: to later, we'll have this modern technology which can serve

900
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: prevent fraud, waste and abuse, so truly starving people can

901
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 2: actually get what they are entitled to under this SNAP

902
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: program six thirty six right now five one three seven

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Speaker 2: for see.

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Speaker 9: The talk station.

905
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Speaker 2: Sixty one on a Tuesday, Happy one to you five one, three, seven,

906
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Speaker 2: four nine fifty five hundred, eight hundred and eight two

907
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Speaker 2: three talk to withe pound five fifty If you have

908
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Speaker 2: an AT and T phone, don't forget fifty five care

909
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Speaker 2: Sea dot com. Get your school closings and business closings.

910
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: Thanks to zimmerheating and air conditioning for that, it's up

911
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: and running. And yeah, your school's probably closed and you've

912
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 2: probably got a separate alert alert for that. What else

913
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 2: is going on? I thought this was kind of curious

914
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: in terms of local stories, since I only got one

915
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 2: or two in this morning. This seemed like a sort

916
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: of ready fire aim kind of thing going on in

917
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 2: downtown Cincinnati, since a City Council Budget and Finance Committee

918
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: and entertained a proposal yesterday in which restaurants, bars and

919
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: venues in just a certain segment of downtown would contribute

920
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: to the plan construction of the hotel that they're building

921
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 2: in the district, that five hundred and thirty six million

922
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: dollar hotel. So they got a figure for the construction

923
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: costs of the hotel, and apparently it's being built. So

924
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: the three CDC proposal would see businesses in the downtown

925
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: Fountain district that's the limited district, opt in, in other words,

926
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Speaker 2: voluntarily opt in to contribute one percent of every sale,

927
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: so penny on a dollar, which would go to the

928
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: construction of the new Marriotte Convention headquarters. Courting to Mark

929
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: Jeffery's council member, the owners of restaurants in and around

930
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: the convention center are essentially self taxing themselves. They're agreeing

931
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 2: that they are going to have a slight increase on

932
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: sales at the restaurant as a way to finance the

933
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 2: expansion for the hotel. You have one bar John hughes Er,

934
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 2: owner of the bar prem He said, well, this initiative

935
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: will allow our urban core to create the kinds of

936
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: programming that drives attendance and increases dwell time in downtown

937
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 2: activity boosts our local economy, also helping us build a safer,

938
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Speaker 2: more welcoming environment for everyone. I don't know how this

939
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: creates safety, but you're voluntaring to eat into your profit margin.

940
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Speaker 2: And I got to observe if you are a restaurant

941
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 2: tour I think you are painfully aware of the low

942
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: profit margin you have already. So if you're going to

943
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: voluntarily pay an additional tax, you know that's going to

944
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: be reflected in the price of whatever it is. Kind

945
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: of food you're selling by a penny on a dollar

946
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like a lot of money. But what puzzled

947
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: me about this, and maybe someone out there is better

948
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 2: educated than men can explain. You got a project that's

949
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: already underway, it's five hundred and thirty six million dollars.

950
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: Now you're talking about a contribution to help fund it.

951
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: And what if nobody opts in on this. I mean,

952
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 2: they're going to be short on funds. I'm not sure

953
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: Jefferies thinks this is going to help expand and build

954
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 2: businesses in the area. I appreciate all the businesses willingness

955
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: to step forward as part of the process. It's a

956
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: very creative solution. As we think about growing our city,

957
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: this is one way to grow. I suppose Jeffrey said,

958
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 2: these are out of town visitors coming into Cincinnati. They'll

959
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: be eating dining in these restaurants, and in that process,

960
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: part of what they are paying for is a little

961
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: bit of upper in it. I don't know what that

962
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: means which will enable us to pay for the development

963
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 2: of the convention and Convention Center hotel. So again there's

964
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 2: that ready fire aim thing. Okay, if this proposal wasn't

965
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: there is that a suggestion they're going to be short

966
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 2: on funds and everybody, presumably within the city of Cincinnati's

967
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: going to benefit from this help. People in northern Kentucky

968
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: are going to benefit from it because if a lot

969
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 2: of people show up with the convention, there's a lot

970
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: of draw over in northern Kentucky for people to go

971
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 2: over there and spend their entertainment dollars. Which is the

972
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: weird thing about the city of Cincinnati. Button up against

973
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: the river. Congratulations to my friends in the Commonwealth. You

974
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: do get a lot of folks like at baseball and

975
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: football games, showing up in your local restaurants and businesses,

976
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: spending money, but not spending it in Hamilton County where

977
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: the taxpayers yes, foot the bill for the stadiums. But

978
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 2: curious proposal, it is from my perspective, six forty five

979
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: Feel free to chime in, maybe you got something different

980
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: to say. But six fifty to fifty five kr CD

981
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: talk station I mentioned in the first segment of the

982
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: fifty five Cars Morning Show, how pleased I was that

983
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 2: the social media was able to help that local couple

984
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: find their dog after their car with their dog had

985
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: been stolen. Lamented my childhood and the runaway dogs. Social

986
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: media wonderful thing, and I think using social media the

987
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: word got out here in the fifty five KRSY Morning

988
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: Show and the rest of my friends put the word

989
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: out in search of Tom, who normally calls in at

990
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: five point thirty worrying about him. Tom is on the phone, Tom,

991
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 2: Welcome to the morning show. Slept in dig.

992
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 5: You yeah right, Hey, that driveway doesn't shovel itself. So yeah,

993
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 5: I've got a driveway that's a little over two hundred

994
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 5: feet long coming up from the street, so it take

995
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 5: it takes a minute to get it done. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

996
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 5: all right, Joe, you don't believe me. All right, man,

997
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what it's. I'm on a two hour delay,

998
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 5: but not because I slept in.

999
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: So you need a gas powered snowplow or a snowplow

1000
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: of some sort of underneath the Christmas tree this year, Tom.

1001
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, if you could fit one that'll fit on

1002
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,479
Speaker 5: the front of my lawn bower, that would be great.

1003
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 5: And I could just a couple of swipes and I'm

1004
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 5: done and yeah, something like that. So well, anyway, it's

1005
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 5: a wonderful morning.

1006
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: You made it.

1007
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 5: Chuck Inger will be pretty busy this morning, won't.

1008
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: He Well, he was late getting into work this morning.

1009
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: Apparently he got held up on seventy one because of

1010
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: the road conditions. So I'm not quite sure if they've

1011
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: solved that problem yet. It was it was a mess

1012
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: when I came in down seventy one.

1013
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a I'm just now hitting two seventy five,

1014
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 5: so we'll see how just goes. No, I may have

1015
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 5: to turn around. But anyway, Uh, I've been wanting to

1016
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 5: mention yesterday I didn't mention this because I was talking

1017
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 5: about something else, but uh you know, I regularly mentioned

1018
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 5: the gas prices up there and Cincinnati date Road seventy five,

1019
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 5: and uh so, yesterday, before I got on the air,

1020
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 5: I noticed that the prices were in the I get

1021
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 5: two thirty nine. Both of the major gas stations right

1022
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 5: there were two thirty nine, and uh so I think, well,

1023
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 5: I'm getting gas on the way home. Hopefully they don't

1024
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 5: go up. So I see the gas I see the

1025
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 5: sign at Tylersville on the way back south and then

1026
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 5: it jumped to two eighty nine. Crap. And so when

1027
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 5: I get closer to Cincinnati Dayton Road, I noticed that

1028
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 5: to sign for the speedway to eighty nine. And then

1029
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,479
Speaker 5: I said, oh man, I missed it. And sure sure enough,

1030
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 5: that gas station across the street is still at two thirty.

1031
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 5: It's actually drop the two thirty three. So I pulled

1032
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 5: in there and fill her up, and I went inside

1033
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 5: and I told the people, Hey, whoever's making the decision

1034
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 5: to keep the gas prices down, tell them, I say,

1035
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 5: thank you very much, And you got my business there,

1036
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 5: you go. That's that's the way we gotta handle things.

1037
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 5: We gotta we gotta shop around and and uh, you know,

1038
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 5: obviously we don't want to get you know, get prapp

1039
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 5: that's cheap, and you know, so we could pay pennies

1040
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 5: for it. But you know, we got to be disserving

1041
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 5: on what we're doing and not give into the price

1042
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 5: hikes in the price couchy.

1043
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: Well, it's smart business for that. You know, they're losing

1044
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: some money per gallon of gas, but it's a draw

1045
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: for people to come in and spend money on high

1046
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: price stuff that's sold of convenience stores. So hopefully there's

1047
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: some sort of balance there, but yeah, it could buy

1048
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: them some loyalty. Hey, did you drive down Camargo and

1049
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: see what they're Our favorite gas station is.

1050
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 5: No, it's not quite on the way home, Brian, but

1051
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 5: I'm guessing it's still pushing four bucks.

1052
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: Probably four fifty in California, something like that.

1053
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 5: I will tell you that that at QT gas station

1054
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 5: was pretty busy, and uh they had a few people

1055
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 5: over at the speedway, but it was pretty busy. There

1056
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 5: were people inside, like you said, buying stuff inside. So yeah,

1057
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Speaker 5: they wouldn't be doing it. They weren't gonna make money.

1058
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Speaker 2: This morning's low per gallon price is The award went

1059
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Speaker 2: to Cribbage Mike Submarine or Mike, who paid two dollars

1060
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 2: and ten cents using his Kroger card.

1061
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we got a we got a

1062
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 5: buck fifty or something that we got a dollar and

1063
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 5: then another fifty cent for for November that we got

1064
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 5: to use. So I'm looking forward to that. That'll that's

1065
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 5: always good when you can take a buck off. So cool.

1066
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Speaker 5: Good morning to Cribbage Mike and all the other listeners

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Speaker 5: and uh uh, we we're all hoping and praying that

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Speaker 5: we get the convention center gets done before the before

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Speaker 5: reds fest reds fast as what January thirteenth, something like that,

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Speaker 5: thinks so and uh, yeah, it's gonna be tight. I

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Speaker 5: tell you that it's gonna be tight where they're down

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Speaker 5: there working seven days. Wait so yeah, yeah, Hey, if

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Speaker 5: it ain't tight, it ain't right. I'll talk for God

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Speaker 5: letter don't vote Democrat.

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Speaker 2: Even though it had nothing to the political comments aside,

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Speaker 2: there's no politics involved in that statement. Accept to the

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Speaker 2: extent you want to give Donald Trump credit for all

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Speaker 2: the above strategy and drilling where drilling can be done.

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Speaker 2: I'll ultimately get the gas price lowered. Going back to

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Speaker 2: my comments about Europe cutting their own throat in the

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Speaker 2: name of eliminating bland food and the fun fact that

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Speaker 2: it was real in the gasoline I revealed the gasoline article.

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Speaker 2: That's why I mentioned California the highest gasoline price in

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Speaker 2: the country at north of four dollars and fifty cents

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Speaker 2: a gallon. Why. Because of the regulatory structure they have

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Speaker 2: in place. This is not the laws of supply and demand.

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Speaker 2: Gas is not naturally more expensive in California. It's more

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Speaker 2: expensive in California from what they did to themselves intentionally,

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Speaker 2: so their people are feeling pain. Elections have consequences, and

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Speaker 2: they keep doing the same thing over and over again.

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Speaker 2: I guess they must all be wealthy in California can

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Speaker 2: afford to go ahead and spend four to fifty a

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Speaker 2: gallon when at least here locally we can get it

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Speaker 2: right around two dollars and fifty cents and maybe even less.

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Speaker 2: I like it here better six point fifty five fifty

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Speaker 2: five K City Talk Stations Citizen Watchdog Todd Zinzer will

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Speaker 2: be in studio. We'll talk about the Cincinnati scrap lead

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Speaker 2: pipe scandal, the Cincinnati snap in wick programs, and unregulated

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Speaker 2: group homes among those topics with Todd Zinzer brilliant he

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Speaker 2: is will be in the studio. Coming up next to

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Speaker 2: hope you can stick around.

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Speaker 9: Today's top headlines cock Station.

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Speaker 2: Seven HO six Here a bit about Nanna Cy detalk

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Speaker 2: station careful one you're commute in and good luck trying

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01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 2: to get that Cincinnati snowplow tracker app to work. So

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Speaker 2: far it's not working. Brand new rolled out yesterday. Maybe

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Speaker 2: Todd's Zenzra will comment about that in studio. Our citizen

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Speaker 2: Watchdog and God blessed Todd Zenzer for who he is

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Speaker 2: and what he does for the city of Cincinnati, whether

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Speaker 2: you like, whether you like the council or not, Todd

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Speaker 2: zends Aer is at least paying close attention to the

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Speaker 2: Shenanigans going on and got a couple of Shenanigans declarations

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Speaker 2: to declare this morning. Todd Endser's Citizen Watchdog is the

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Speaker 2: name of his podcast. I strongly encourage you to listen

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Speaker 2: to what Todd Zenser has to say because some of

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Speaker 2: the details he reveals, well, it's enlightening. Maybe you put

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Speaker 2: a soft touch on that word. Todd Zenzer. It's great

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Speaker 2: to have you in the studio and thanks again for

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Speaker 2: all that you do for the city, whether they like

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Speaker 2: you or not.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Brian.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about the upcoming Todd's Zenser nonprofit and

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Speaker 2: where that may go, and Lord knows we'll need that one.

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Speaker 2: Don't expect todds Zendser's nonprofit to be a NGO included

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Speaker 2: in government funding from the City of Cincinnati, though, you're

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Speaker 2: not expecting that when it happens.

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Speaker 4: No, yeah, I don't think I'll do that, and if

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Speaker 4: I did, I'm not sure that I would get a

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Speaker 4: grant from the city.

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Speaker 2: Probably not, but at least you wouldn't be a mayor

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Speaker 2: sitting on a board of directors for a nonprofit that

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Speaker 2: does get Cincinnati taxpayer dollars, which is verbot isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Todd Well, I think it's I think it's improper, And

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Speaker 4: you know, I've been trying to get some attention to that.

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Speaker 4: I've written to the mayor and recommended that he do

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Speaker 4: something about it, and that was back in September. Oh,

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Speaker 4: he didn't get back with you, and I haven't heard

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Speaker 4: back from him, So I've got to try to elevate

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Speaker 4: that somehow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds me like something that's old. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: some attorney might want to take on a pro bonum basis.

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Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of attorneys out there to

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Speaker 2: like to sue the city for things like this. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we'll get to that toward the tail end here. Let

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Speaker 2: us begin with the lead pipe scandal. We had talked

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Speaker 2: about this previously. We're in the process of logically removing

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Speaker 2: lead pipes from the water infrastructure. Correct, Yes, and that's

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Speaker 2: we've been under order to do that. It's part of

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Speaker 2: the environmental cleanup process. That's going on multi billion dollar process,

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Speaker 2: that is. But I certainly understand the need to get

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Speaker 2: rid of lead pipe. It's obviously a problem. It causes

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Speaker 2: brain deficiencies and just in functions, and so it needs

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Speaker 2: to go out. The problem is how they're going about

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Speaker 2: removing it ran into a little bit of problem, did

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Speaker 2: we Toddzenser.

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Speaker 4: Right, it's a it's an important program, which which makes

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Speaker 4: oversight of the program that much that more critical. And

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Speaker 4: what they what the internal auditor for the city found

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Speaker 4: several months ago, is that there was a problem with

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Speaker 4: the scrap lead not being properly recycled, and they had

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Speaker 4: set up a regimen in the process where once the

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Speaker 4: lead pipes were removed, they were supposed to be deposited

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Speaker 4: into a container down at waterworks headquarters. And the auditor

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Speaker 4: found out that that that container and the recycle outfit

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Speaker 4: that they contracted with would come and service that container,

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Speaker 4: they'd replace it and take the full container to recycling.

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Speaker 2: So there was a contractor that was retained to take

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Speaker 2: away the lead pipe. That's correct, all right, So city

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Speaker 2: employees working on the we're working on the removal, right, correct. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I just want to make sure because there's outside entities,

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Speaker 2: and then there's people that are subject to the direct

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Speaker 2: oversight of the City of Cincinnati. They had they had

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Speaker 2: a lead crew, So you have a lead crew. Lead

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Speaker 2: crew takes the pipe, puts it in this specialized dumpster,

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Speaker 2: and then there's a specialized specific company retained to remove it.

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Speaker 2: That's the way it's supposed to work, and I guess

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Speaker 2: it didn't.

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Speaker 4: Well. The internal auditor found that the container had not

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Speaker 4: been serviced for five years, which means that no lead

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Speaker 4: pipe had ever been deposited into the container.

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Speaker 2: Uhhh Okay, now walking through this and I can see

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Speaker 2: where this is going, and you can certainly can explain it.

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Speaker 2: But if it had not been serviced for five years,

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Speaker 2: this company that was retained and contracted to service it,

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Speaker 2: as we're calling the process of removing the leg from

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Speaker 2: the container, did they at any time say, Hey, we've

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Speaker 2: been driving by this lead container receptacle we're supposed to

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Speaker 2: be removing lead pipe from and it's never had any

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Speaker 2: lead pipe in it. Did any that word ever get

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Speaker 2: through to anyone responsible?

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Speaker 4: I believe there's some email traffic to that effect, really,

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Speaker 4: but it came very late. Oh it came I believe

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Speaker 4: closer to when the audit was being conducted.

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Speaker 2: Oh so maybe when word got out there was an

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Speaker 2: audit being done, and so they said, oh oh. But

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Speaker 2: by the way, it seems to be an important question.

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Speaker 2: Was the company that was retained to take care of

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Speaker 2: this receptacle and the lead pipe therein were they being

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Speaker 2: paid all along during this five year period where they

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Speaker 2: apparently didn't have to do any work.

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Speaker 4: Well, they have a bigger contract, I believe in the

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Speaker 4: city and this was just part of it, okay, and

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Speaker 4: so that's a yes, I think to my question. Well,

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Speaker 4: they were getting paid for the other services that they

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Speaker 4: were performing under the contract.

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Speaker 2: But this wasn't a separate line item charge on monthly

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Speaker 2: basis from the company. Was just included in one lump

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Speaker 2: payment to the company. That's that's a yes to my question.

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Speaker 4: That's my understanding.

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Speaker 2: So it should have been something less than the monthly

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Speaker 2: amount because they didn't have to do any work in

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Speaker 2: connection with removing the lead pipe.

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Speaker 4: There they were they were triggered by a phone They

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Speaker 4: were supposed to be triggered by a phone call. Somebody's

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Speaker 4: supposed to call them and say, hey, our container is full,

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Speaker 4: you need to come and get it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, so never having gotten a phone call, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and continue to accept the money that

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Speaker 2: we got lump sum. All right. So then phase two

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Speaker 2: is or question number two. So they're not doing the

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Speaker 2: job because there isn't a job to do. Where in

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Speaker 2: the hell the lead pipe go?

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Speaker 4: Todd Zinser, Well, that's my my question, Brian. They did

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Speaker 4: a They did a good thing by focusing on the

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Speaker 4: theft of the lead pipe.

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Speaker 2: They aught it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they identified one person that they claim was responsible.

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Speaker 2: So facilitating the how did how did the scam work?

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Speaker 2: Because again we're talking about city employees removed moving the

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Speaker 2: lead pipe team, so it was someone on the lead

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Speaker 2: pipe team that was identified as being involved in this scam,

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Speaker 2: that's right. So what was happening to the lead Well,

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Speaker 2: the way.

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Speaker 4: I understand it is that the employee, instead of putting

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Speaker 4: it in the container, it would be loaded in a truck,

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Speaker 4: and instead of putting it in the container, they they

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Speaker 4: he had some kind of designated spot where he would

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Speaker 4: drop it off based on some prior arrangement with us.

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Speaker 4: These local scrappers that drive their truck around and and

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Speaker 4: pick up stuff from the curb that people put out right,

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Speaker 4: he had some prior arrangement with scrappers, telling them where

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Speaker 4: to go get it and they would pay. They would

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Speaker 4: pay him.

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Speaker 2: Now, are scrappers subject to some sort of rules, legal

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01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 2: laws or rules of ethics? I mean, because the scrapper

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Speaker 2: might not have ethics, I don't know. No, do they

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Speaker 2: have an obligation to, you know, report what they've picked up, because, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you and I were talking off air, lead is considered

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Speaker 2: a hazardous substance.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's what That's what I've been focusing on. But

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Speaker 4: I don't think the scrappers have any any other obligation,

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Speaker 4: you know, to the city, or any kind of legal obligation.

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Speaker 4: But that ought to be the subject of a further investigation,

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01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 4: which which the city is not doing well.

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Speaker 2: Let's say I have a load of lead pipe for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason, it was not obtained unlawfully, but I've got

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Speaker 2: to get rid of it. I take it to a

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01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: local scrapyard. I can sell it to them because they

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01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 2: weigh by the pound and it does have some value

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Speaker 2: for the scrapyard. That's why they pay for it.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to get as much as they get

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Speaker 2: for dealing with whoever they sell it. To so in

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Speaker 2: this particular arrangement, was it ever revealed what this one

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01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: loan individual who has identified what his slice of the

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Speaker 2: action was, and was he actually getting paid by the

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Speaker 2: scrap guy for the price of the lead or some

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Speaker 2: flat amount or something.

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Speaker 4: I think he tried to tell the city that it

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01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 4: was only once in a while and at was bunnies

1271
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 4: when he was short on his monthly bills or something

1272
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Speaker 4: like that.

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Speaker 2: I only kill people every once in a while. I

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 2: don't need to hold me account will under the law.

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Speaker 4: But there really is not a big comprehensive investigation of

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01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 4: the extent of the issue. My question right now is

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01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 4: where is the lead? Because if it is a hazardous

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01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 4: waste and there is a test that they have to

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Speaker 4: perform on the pipe to determine whether or not it

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Speaker 4: reaches the threshold of a hazardous waste, there's a federal

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Speaker 4: law and a state law about a requirement to designate

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Speaker 4: or determine whether or not a solid waste is hazardous

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Speaker 4: or not. And there's no indication at this point whether

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Speaker 4: they've made whether they ever made a determination like that.

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Speaker 4: So I have asked for any records that would show

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Speaker 4: the determination, whether they did the determination and if they

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Speaker 4: did what it says about those lead pipes. So it's

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Speaker 4: really an open question right now. And the reason I

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Speaker 4: started looking into it the executives from the water work

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Speaker 4: were interviewed on TV by WCPO and they're you know,

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Speaker 4: they're sorry and et cetera, and they're going to do better.

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Speaker 4: But they didn't really seem concerned about this missing around

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Speaker 4: accounted for lead pipe. And it seems to me that

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Speaker 4: there's a big potential environmental issue there.

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Speaker 2: Well, clearly that, but then again, this is simply a

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Speaker 2: question also of like theft. Yes, yeah, okay, let's pause.

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Speaker 2: We'll bring todds Inzer back a little bit more on

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Speaker 2: that one. Plus we'll talk about the SNAP and WIG

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Speaker 2: programs and CINCINNTI plus unregulated group homes seven sixteen. Right now,

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Speaker 2: if you five KRCD talk station, you have an imported

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Speaker 2: code talk station seven twenty here. If you five KRCD

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Speaker 2: talk station, Brian Thomas with Citizen watch Dog. That's the

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Speaker 2: name of the podcast, and that's who he is. He

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Speaker 2: is Todd Zinzer, former Inspector General for the United States

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Speaker 2: of America. He understands documents, he understands obligations, he understands

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Speaker 2: well the legal realities and the challenges we face as

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Speaker 2: city taxpayers. I'll use we even though I don't live

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Speaker 2: in the city, following the money and seeing if work

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Speaker 2: was actually done, pursuing the contracts, and when we have

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Speaker 2: run when we run into problems, finding out where those

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Speaker 2: problems lead. In this particular case, the lead pipe scandal.

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Speaker 2: So as you set it up, we're removing the lead pipe. Good.

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Speaker 2: That's good. It goes to a receptacle that's supposed to

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Speaker 2: store the lead pipe. Fine, a company is hired to

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Speaker 2: remove that lead pipe, they're supposed to receive a phone

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Speaker 2: call when the receptacles full. They never got a phone

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Speaker 2: call because the receptacle remained empty for five years. Where

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Speaker 2: did the lead pipe go? Big question? One person apparently

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Speaker 2: on the team of lead pipe removal, a city employee,

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Speaker 2: has been identified as someone who was involved in the

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Speaker 2: removal of the lead pipe and putting it someplace else

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Speaker 2: for some yet unknown company scrap dealer person to remove it,

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Speaker 2: probably to their financial advantage. Yes, so, fine, question, is

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Speaker 2: lead pipe dangerous? Hazardous? I think we can agree it

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Speaker 2: is if they had to remove it in the first place.

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Speaker 2: I presume it passes the lead pipe scrape test that

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Speaker 2: they have to do. There were the police alerted, this

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Speaker 2: is the theft, and I'm imagining Todd, you can correct

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Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. The money that you get, like

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Speaker 2: if you took it to the scrapyard yourself, they'll give

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Speaker 2: you a handful of cash in return for how much

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Speaker 2: the lead weighs. Whatever the charity get ten cents a

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Speaker 2: pound or whatever. That's taxpayer money that should have gone

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Speaker 2: back into the city. Coffers. I presume if it had

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Speaker 2: all gone according to contract.

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Speaker 4: That's right. Under the contract, the recycling outfit or the

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Speaker 4: outfit that took it to the recycler, the city was

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Speaker 4: supposed to get a cut of those proceeds. So for

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Speaker 4: five years, whatever they would have gained is lost, and

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Speaker 4: that number has not being calculated.

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Speaker 2: And how could it be calculated unless the guys that

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Speaker 2: were responsible for removing it in the first place, the

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Speaker 2: city employees wait it first.

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Speaker 4: That's right. But the tell is in their corrective actions

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Speaker 4: to the audit. They list out all the things they

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Speaker 4: plan to do to fix the situation, and those are

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Speaker 4: the things that they should have been doing in the outset.

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Speaker 2: Seem right, Now you're in my wheelhouse of late how

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Speaker 2: I mean, I keep referring apologies to my listeners. They

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Speaker 2: know what I'm going to say. But they've had always

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Speaker 2: talks about these Internet of Things devices that the software

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Speaker 2: manufacturers never consider security first and foremost. They rush the

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Speaker 2: product out and don't realize it's filled with holes and bucks. Right,

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Speaker 2: they're not thinking about it. Why do our elected officials,

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Speaker 2: Why are they not charged with on some level like

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Speaker 2: a fiduciary obligation to the taxpayers they take the money

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Speaker 2: from to put fraud, waste, and abuse and the prevention

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Speaker 2: of that first and foremost in any program like this.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're you're singing my tune.

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Speaker 2: I know. That's why I love you so much, todd Senser.

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Speaker 2: So what are they now proposing now that they found

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Speaker 2: out we're all being ripped off?

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Speaker 4: Well, they want to keep records of how much how

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Speaker 4: much lead pipe they remove and how much they how

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Speaker 4: much copper they install, which is which is another issue here,

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Speaker 4: huge money. There's nothing in the there's nothing in any

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Speaker 4: of the reports that I saw that the auditor did

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Speaker 4: a report, and the waterworks did their own internal investigation.

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Speaker 4: And for me, if somebody stealing lead pipe scrap lead pipe.

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Speaker 4: Chances are they may have their eyes also on the

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Speaker 4: copper inventory.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're damn right, because it's as so as copper

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Speaker 2: is exactly.

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Speaker 4: And so my point was you got to go over

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Speaker 4: and check your inventory of copper to see whether or

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Speaker 4: not that's been stolen as well. They just don't think

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Speaker 4: like that, Brian.

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Speaker 2: They don't because they don't care a whit where the

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Speaker 2: money comes from, and because they can take all they want,

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Speaker 2: apparently they don't need to follow it like you or

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Speaker 2: I would in our household.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the big question for me is do they not

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Speaker 4: pay attention deliberately because they don't they don't want to

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Speaker 4: point out things going wrong in their processes or are

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Speaker 4: they just not, you know, in tune with oversight.

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Speaker 2: Can I boil it down nefarious or stupid? Well, something

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Speaker 2: like that, Yeah, that's what it is. I'll put a

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Speaker 2: blunt point on it right there, DoD Genser, and I'm

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Speaker 2: going to go for a combination of all the above.

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Speaker 2: The nefarious ones don't want their program to be criticized.

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Speaker 2: It's their program. They didn't think about fraud, wasted abuse

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Speaker 2: at the outset. And the stupid are the ones that

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Speaker 2: maybe realizes has happened and just don't want to lift

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Speaker 2: a finger to solve the problem because oh that means

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Speaker 2: extra work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so five of the led one one of the

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Speaker 4: lead crew resigned and five of the lead crew were

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Speaker 4: reprimanded for being dishonest. But in that situation, yeah, the

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Speaker 4: first thing I would do is go check the copper inventory.

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Speaker 2: Reprimanded, Yes, for being dishonest. That's a soft way of

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Speaker 2: saying reprimanded for committing a crime. At least that's what

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Speaker 2: it appears to be.

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Speaker 4: They either didn't want to or they couldn't establish the

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Speaker 4: culpability of the other members of the lad crew.

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Speaker 2: You know, in a world filled with cameras, I mean

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Speaker 2: you go back to the inventory, Like, where is our

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Speaker 2: copper inventory sitting right now? Todd Zenzer? Do you think

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Speaker 2: there are cameras that are constantly focused on that stack

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Speaker 2: of copper and other building materials that they're using for

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Speaker 2: the various city works projects.

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Speaker 4: I'd be surprised if that was the case.

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Speaker 2: Brian, Well, there's one more thing they can add to

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Speaker 2: the list.

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Speaker 4: Now, that's a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Todd Zenzer will bring it back. We got more controversies

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Speaker 2: snapping Wick programs group homes, aftab purvols, sitting on boards

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Speaker 2: of directors for nonprofits that the city taxpayers are funding,

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Speaker 2: among other things that Todd Zenzer Citizen Watchdog has revealed.

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Speaker 2: Because no one in city council or within the city

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Speaker 2: government wants to bother to lift a finger to find

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Speaker 2: out where your money's being spent seven twenty six right

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Speaker 2: now see the talk station kate Eavansk station seven thirty

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01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 2: here or fifty five KRCE the talk station. Real pleasure

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Speaker 2: as always having Todd Zinzer's Citizen Watchdog in studio, and

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Speaker 2: thank you Kevin, my dear friend Kevin. There's actually an

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Speaker 2: app out there, Todd, I scrap. We're talking about this

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Speaker 2: lead pipe situation with kind of pondering how much a

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Speaker 2: pound of lead might be worth. It's a thirty two

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Speaker 2: cents a pound time. I imagine it ended up being

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of money. They were pulling out a

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Speaker 2: lot of old lead pipe.

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Speaker 4: Yes, thousands of residents have had their lead pipe replaced

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Speaker 4: with copper pipe, thousands, thousands. It's been going on for

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Speaker 4: five or six years, and it's going to go on

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Speaker 4: for another I don't know how many, three, three to

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Speaker 4: five more years.

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Speaker 2: I think all right, so they don't weigh when they

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Speaker 2: pull it out. It disappeared before it got to the

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Speaker 2: appropriate receptacle bin. Someone obviously absconded with a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of money. Whoever the scrap person was that took that

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Speaker 2: lead pipe away is more than if you can get

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Speaker 2: thirty two cents a pound on the open market, then

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Speaker 2: they're getting more than that from to wherever they sell it,

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Speaker 2: A point I made earlier. How else could a scrapyard

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Speaker 2: stay in business? Right, So they're making fat bank and we,

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Speaker 2: under the contract with the people who were supposed to

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Speaker 2: be removing this, we the city taxpayers, are supposed to

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Speaker 2: get some of this money back. So when you're talking

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Speaker 2: thirty two cents a pound with thousands and thousands of homes,

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Speaker 2: that has got to add up to a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: I agree it could reach felony level money, todd oh easily.

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Speaker 2: So makes me wonder. You know why law enforcement hasn't

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Speaker 2: been brought in and involved in this, because you know,

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Speaker 2: convicted criminals who engage in this type of criminal activity

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Speaker 2: or quite often obligated to pay restitution to the victims.

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Speaker 2: That's correct, but no criminal referral. Although you're mentioned in

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Speaker 2: the emails that they did give you back in requests

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Speaker 2: in your request for documents. Yes, the congratulations gods, he's

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Speaker 2: in city side right now and it's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: So they were aware that you were looking into this,

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Speaker 2: and they actually had an internal email saying, hey, Todd

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Speaker 2: Zinzer's looking into this issue. In other words, beware because

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Speaker 2: this guy will be all over us like white on Rice.

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Speaker 4: Well that wasn't in the email, but something so something

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Speaker 4: like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, any profanities, you can't stay on the radio. No,

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Speaker 2: all right, well, let's tell you what You're not done

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Speaker 2: with this one. And I don't know, I don't know

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Speaker 2: what the steps are to get law enforcement involved, but

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Speaker 2: I think this certainly rises to a level of, you know,

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Speaker 2: a crime worthy of investigation. I suppose it remains a

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Speaker 2: large and looming question, given the relationship between the mayor

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Speaker 2: and the city manager and their parent control over the

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Speaker 2: operations of the CINCINNT Police Department, if the CINCINNT Police

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Speaker 2: Department was referred to this, whether or not they would

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Speaker 2: actually follow through and do something that might put a

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Speaker 2: stain on the administration's reputation.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and the issue is going to be for the

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Speaker 4: city well, should we spend money getting to the bottom

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Speaker 4: of this when it's only going to make us look

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Speaker 4: even worse.

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Speaker 2: So, oh, yes, it'd be responsible thing to do, regardless

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01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 2: of how bad it makes you look. You obviously have

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01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 2: learned your lesson. You have new practices and protocols you're

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Speaker 2: putting in place to ensure that this thing doesn't happen again.

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Speaker 2: We learn from our mistakes, We're moving forward. We're going

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Speaker 2: to watch out and be responsible. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: we're doing everything in our effort to get that money

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Speaker 2: back on behalf of these city taxpayers.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and they need to address the environmental issue created

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Speaker 4: by these strap lead pipes, isn't purval mister Green, Well,

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Speaker 4: that's the thing that it's not really climate change, it's

1493
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 4: more environmental.

1494
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 2: So, in other words, real pollutants and real environmental problems

1495
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 2: versus carbon dioxide.

1496
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, they should be more concerned about these lead

1497
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:58,440
Speaker 4: this scrap lead being dumped somewhere and not being recycled

1498
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 4: and getting into the water supply, which is ironic here

1499
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,799
Speaker 4: that a water department is going to be so careless

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01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 4: with scrap lead pipe in.

1501
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 2: The bottom of the mill creek. Yeah, although I think

1502
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 2: we can all safely presume or assume if you want,

1503
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 2: that it was actually sold out there, because this does

1504
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 2: have fat bank on the open market, right, so hopefully

1505
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 2: it's not in some place doing environmental.

1506
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 4: And it went to a proper recycler.

1507
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, how many recyclers are there in the greater

1508
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 2: Cincinnati area.

1509
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 4: I haven't counted that, but there probably are not too many,

1510
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 4: not too many couple, I think.

1511
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 2: So you could just go to each of the very

1512
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 2: few scrap dealers and have a direct question answer with

1513
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 2: them about whether they bought any lead pipe. Yeah, you

1514
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 2: just go out and do some interviewing. Yeah, be very simple.

1515
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 2: It would be the logical thing to do, Todd. Well,

1516
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 2: they'll maybe they'll wind up doing that.

1517
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 4: The alternative is for the federal EPA or the Ohio

1518
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 4: EPA coming in and already asking questions.

1519
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,719
Speaker 2: You anticipated my next question, Todd. Also, I was wondering,

1520
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 2: isn't this really kind of assumed or part of a

1521
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:08,839
Speaker 2: federal project to clean.

1522
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,759
Speaker 4: Up all the lead Well, there's a there's a federal

1523
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 4: law called the Recovery and Conservation the the I can't

1524
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 4: remember the name of It's called Rickra Recovery Conservation.

1525
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 2: Well, listen, they called the inflation reduction acting inflation reduction.

1526
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 2: I had nothing to do with inflation reduction, So call

1527
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 2: it what you will. It's supposed to deal.

1528
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 4: With pretty it's a pretty serious, very long Yeah. We

1529
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 4: worked with it when I was at DOT on hazardous

1530
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 4: transportation issues. We even prosecuted American Airlines back in the

1531
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 4: nineties for their their poor handling of hazardous material on

1532
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 4: their aircraft.

1533
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,759
Speaker 2: So they're really well connected, lobby heavy kind of money

1534
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 2: and interest group there.

1535
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 4: Back then. The penalty was we negotiated was eight million dollars,

1536
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 4: but in and that was just for several containers, and

1537
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 4: their lacks processes got them a fine at that level.

1538
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 2: So maybe this simple fact that it's all gone missing

1539
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 2: and is totally unaccounted for would be sufficient information to

1540
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 2: launch a federal investigation into this Rick potential Rick revilation. Right, well, okay,

1541
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 2: there's some astute you know us attorney out there, maybe

1542
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 2: listening to the program might take it upon him or

1543
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 2: herself to go and do just that.

1544
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,639
Speaker 4: Well, it would be a worthwhile doing.

1545
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 2: I believe, I'm with sure one hundred percent todds Ends

1546
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 2: will continue. Yes, we'll get to this Nappenwig program next

1547
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 2: Don't Go Away seven thirty six, seven thirty seven fifty

1548
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:44,759
Speaker 2: five care Seage Shay seven forty one fifty five KRCD

1549
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 2: Talk Station Enlightening. It always is when you're talking with

1550
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 2: todds Enzer about city council and city affairs. We have

1551
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 2: been all morning so far talking about this lead pipe

1552
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 2: scandal and criminal activity it relates to. And why don't

1553
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 2: we see somebody being charged with crime for stealing lead pipe?

1554
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 2: Maybe that'll happened, but let us pivot over to something else.

1555
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,640
Speaker 2: It may very well be criminals. The Cincinnati SNAP and

1556
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 2: WIC programs supplement of Nutrition's assistance program is a snap

1557
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,879
Speaker 2: card and then you have Women, Infants and Children program.

1558
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 2: That one's been around since what the forties or something

1559
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 2: like that.

1560
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 4: Wick's been around since Nixon.

1561
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: Nixon. Okay, all right, thought it might have been a

1562
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 2: great society. Well, it doesn't matter. So two different programs. Yes,

1563
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 2: who is supposed to run these and how is it

1564
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 2: run well? Or are they run?

1565
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 4: Snap and WICK are both funded through the county in

1566
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 4: their county programs. For example, the county administers SNAP administer's Medicaid.

1567
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 4: There's a couple of other safety net programs that the

1568
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:50,639
Speaker 4: county operates. But when WICK was first put in place

1569
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 4: by the federal government, the requirements were such, this is

1570
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 4: my understanding anyway, that there was some kind of medical

1571
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 4: professionals or whatever that were required to be involved in

1572
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 4: the program for because of nursing mothers and things like.

1573
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 2: That, to verify eligibility. And that apparently is not the

1574
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 2: case anymore. I could sign up for WICK. Now it's

1575
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 2: probably so easy to get around yet whatever oversight they

1576
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 2: might have.

1577
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 4: Yeah. So, but for some reason, and at the time,

1578
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 4: the city Health Department was it, so they took they

1579
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 4: took responsibility for the program. Well, now forty or however,

1580
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 4: many fifty years later, the city is still operating it.

1581
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 4: And the internal audit auditor did an audit of the

1582
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 4: WICK program and identified a lot of mismanagement.

1583
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 2: So we go ahead and cut to the chase on

1584
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 2: what mismanagement they identified.

1585
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 4: Well, the programs operated out of ten different offices I

1586
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 4: guess of the health district, and the auditor looked at

1587
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 4: six of those offices and found that they were not

1588
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 4: keeping track of their EBT card inventory. So, for example,

1589
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 4: somebody working at the Health Department and the program, they

1590
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 4: go and go to inventory and grab a stack of

1591
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 4: fifty EBT cards that they're going to work with that

1592
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:14,600
Speaker 4: day or that week, or however long it takes to

1593
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 4: use fifty EBT cards. And then they meet with the

1594
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 4: constituent and figure out what benefits they're entitled to.

1595
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 2: WICK recipient is the constituent, Yes, So they sit down

1596
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 2: with that person.

1597
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 4: Yes, and they determine what their eligibility is in terms

1598
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 4: of how much benefit they're entitled to, and then they

1599
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 4: charge up the card just like you go to the

1600
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 4: grocery store and get a gift cards.

1601
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 2: They get an Apple gift card shirt exactly and then

1602
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 2: hand it to them and then hand it to them

1603
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 2: or or well, we don't.

1604
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 4: There's no inventory of the cards.

1605
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 2: No inventory of the cards, which means someone of nefarious

1606
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 2: intent could grab a stack of cards loaded up with

1607
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 2: literally anybody's name and information on it, charge it to

1608
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 2: any given amount that would be within the parameters of

1609
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 2: the WIG program.

1610
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 4: And put it in their pocket exactly. So that could

1611
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 4: have been going on exactly for a long time.

1612
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 2: So they have no tracking of the WICK card inventory

1613
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 2: period in the story that was.

1614
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 4: The result of the finding of the audit. That's correct.

1615
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 2: Well, I feel real comfortable about that one.

1616
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 4: Todd, Well, my suggestion was, aside from the mismanagement, why

1617
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 4: don't you just give that program back to the county

1618
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 4: who's got experience doing snaps, got experience doing other safety

1619
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:35,520
Speaker 4: net programs, and the city doesn't really need the headaches.

1620
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 2: And it would relieve the city taxpayers of the burden

1621
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 2: of that. Many employees, however, many are working on the

1622
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 2: WICK card program, right.

1623
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 4: Yes, the money comes from the federal government to the

1624
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 4: county and then to the city. You would eliminate the

1625
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 4: city's role in.

1626
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 2: That, But then that would eliminate political patronage jobs to

1627
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 2: run the WIK program. They would have that many fewer

1628
01:29:58,479 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 2: bodies to award jobs to.

1629
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 4: Todd, Yeah, I think they'd probably be able to find. Well,

1630
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 4: I think that being involved in these kind of things

1631
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 4: in the past and the federal government, you'd just basically

1632
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 4: take the employees working on WICK and move them to

1633
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 4: the county payroll and be done with it.

1634
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 2: Well, that's an extraordinarily simple, logical and reasonable solution, Todd Zenzer.

1635
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:23,759
Speaker 4: It could be done.

1636
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, any interest that you can find down in the

1637
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati and the employees that they might want

1638
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 2: to go that direction.

1639
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,600
Speaker 4: Well, That was part of my comments yesterday at the

1640
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 4: Budget and Finance Committee. I talked about both of these

1641
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 4: audits and that I did suggest that to the city

1642
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 4: council whether they'll pay attention.

1643
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 2: No, they were paying with their were cell phones, weren't they?

1644
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 2: I mean, do you feel do you feel like it's

1645
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 2: a pointless gesture to show up and make these awesome

1646
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 2: points that could benefit literally everyone and even improve their

1647
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 2: political standing by getting on top of a problem that's

1648
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 2: obviously a problem they just got made aware of. But

1649
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 2: listening to what you have to say as opposed to

1650
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:02,560
Speaker 2: playing with your cell phone.

1651
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 4: Well I do. I did sense that they were paying

1652
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 4: more attention than they usually do.

1653
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 2: Well, that's because they know you have their number. Hey,

1654
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 2: you get emails circulated about you behind the scenes down there, man,

1655
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 2: you know you're having an impact. We'll bring back Todd

1656
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 2: Zenzer for one more cover Senci though, is a great

1657
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 2: thing to do is call it call care CD Talk

1658
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 2: Station Insightscoop with Creik Bart News after the top of

1659
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 2: the hour, News followed by the Daniel Davis Deep Dive.

1660
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 2: In the meantime, Citizen Watchdog todds Zenzer, former US Attorney,

1661
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 2: former US Attorney General on these audits. And I've got

1662
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 2: to go back to the audits really quick, because we

1663
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 2: started with the audit of the lead pipe issue, right,

1664
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 2: an internal audit of the wick snap problem that you

1665
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 2: just explain and wonderfully so those I was surprised to

1666
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 2: even know that the audits were done, because you do

1667
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 2: an audit, you're going to find problems. But there are

1668
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 2: there is an obligation under the audit standards for the

1669
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 2: auditors to follow through if they find something wrong along

1670
01:31:57,960 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 2: the lines of what you just explained to us. Correct

1671
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 2: right there, because where would it go if there wasn't

1672
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 2: something some follow through?

1673
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 1: Right?

1674
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 4: That's right. The general it's called the Generally Accepted Government

1675
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 4: Auditing Standards, and they say that if the auditor identifies

1676
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 4: indications of fraud, they've got to run that down. They

1677
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 4: got to determine, you know, the extent of the problem

1678
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 4: or whether there truly is a fraud problem. And the

1679
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 4: internal audit manager, I'm not trying to be critical, but

1680
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 4: they don't take that step for some reason, probably a

1681
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 4: manpower or they're being told by their management.

1682
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 2: You know, there can't be a manpower issue, because if

1683
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 2: they're obligated under law to apply these standards and do

1684
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 2: the follow through. Then you have no choice but to

1685
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 2: hire people to do it.

1686
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:42,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. The the solution for the auditor is not to

1687
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 4: cite those standards when they issue their reports.

1688
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 2: But they do anyway. They do anyway, so they cite

1689
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 2: them and that gives them protection even though they didn't

1690
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 2: follow the standards. That's right, Okay, great, No, they tied.

1691
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 2: By the way, the new mobile app to the snowplow

1692
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 2: tracker app that the city rolled out, it's not working.

1693
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:11,839
Speaker 2: That's surprising, all right, So anything get the other component

1694
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 2: of this wik card problem again, not keeping track of

1695
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:19,440
Speaker 2: the inventory of wick cards and not keeping the appropriate

1696
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 2: records all sounds to me like it's riddle with fraud

1697
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 2: and abuse, or at least potentially so. You mentioned also

1698
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:29,480
Speaker 2: that they have an obligation to keep track of equipment

1699
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 2: purchase to run this program, like the computers and other

1700
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 2: hardware that's needed to implement it.

1701
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 4: That's right. The program gets about three point five million

1702
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 4: dollars a year and that's used for benefits plus the

1703
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:47,640
Speaker 4: operation of the office, including or purchase of equipment, so

1704
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 4: that equipment is basically federally funded. As a result, they've

1705
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 4: got to keep a proper inventory, and the audit found

1706
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 4: that that was not happening, So you'd have to go

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Speaker 4: back and construct, you know, what equipment has been purchased

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Speaker 4: and is it still here? That's right.

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Speaker 2: So if you're not doing oversight of the equipment and

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Speaker 2: you have the authority under this program to purchase and

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Speaker 2: acquire equipment, some let's say nefarious actor might say, oh,

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Speaker 2: my kids need laptops or Christmas, order the equipment under

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Speaker 2: the WICK program and then just take it home with

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Speaker 2: you exactly.

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Speaker 4: That that's the risk. Uh huh Wow.

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Speaker 2: Todd's answer just scraping the tip of the iceberg in

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Speaker 2: terms of all the problems he's identified. And you've got

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Speaker 2: document requests out for this, I suppose at some point,

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Speaker 2: I mean, is there some sort of legal you know,

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Speaker 2: can some Kurt Hartman out there in the world final

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Speaker 2: lawsuit over this stuff?

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Speaker 4: Yet? You know, it's I'm sure it's possible. It's just

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Speaker 4: a matter of whether or not you can gather the

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Speaker 4: resources to pay for something like that.

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Speaker 2: Well, it usually starts as a Freedom of Information Act

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Speaker 2: requests which they have to honor, and when they don't

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Speaker 2: honor it, that's how you end up in court, getting

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Speaker 2: the documents you need, which then will serve as the

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Speaker 2: basis for the lawsuit you ultimately file your file because

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Speaker 2: they didn't follow protocols or otherwise found breaches of the law, etc.

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Speaker 2: That's right, all right, Kurt, get on it. Todd'll be

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Speaker 2: happy to help you on to that end. I mentioned

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Speaker 2: a nonprofit. You're working toward establishing the purpose of that.

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Speaker 2: If you get it going, will be well.

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Speaker 4: It's got a couple of different purposes. One is to

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Speaker 4: establish some way to sue the city, because if you

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Speaker 4: look back at the real reforms that have gone on

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Speaker 4: in Cincinnati has been the result of federal lawsuits or

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Speaker 4: other lawsuits. The city does not do these things voluntarily.

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Speaker 4: And so one objective is to establish an organization that

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Speaker 4: would take the lead in litigation against the city. For

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01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 4: give you a standard purposes exactly. And then the other

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Speaker 4: is to elevate or bring greater visibility to the whole

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Speaker 4: oversight issue. The city has no concept of oversight. It's

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Speaker 4: just not part of their constitution. And that's needed. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they've got a two billion dollar budget, and they've got

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Speaker 4: a four person internal auditor that is kept basically on

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01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 4: a leash they need some oversight mechanism like an inspector

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Speaker 4: general that many many cities across the country have in

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Speaker 4: order to deliver a oversight program.

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Speaker 2: Wow. And if I had to speculate, since we're out

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01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 2: of time on who is holding that leash, I have

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Speaker 2: to imagine it's the city manager. Yes, all right, there

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Speaker 2: you go. We've had issues with her before, haven't we, Toddzinser,

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Speaker 2: Yes we have. Yes, we have toddzens or Citizen Watchdogs

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Speaker 2: the stuff they report on bright Bird turns out to

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Speaker 2: of John Carney, the finance and economics editor at bright

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Speaker 2: Barton News. He has been around the finance business for

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Speaker 2: like ever his old career. He started out of a

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Speaker 2: blog for About Wall Street, heading up the deal Breaker

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Speaker 2: blog back in the mid two thousands, went over the

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Speaker 2: Business Insider CNBC Wall Street Journal, where he was he

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Speaker 2: was responsible for the Hurt on the Street column. His

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Speaker 2: works appeared in New York Times, New York Magazine, Fortune,

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Speaker 2: New York Post, New York Sun. I could go on,

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Speaker 2: but we wouldn't be able to talk about the empower

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Speaker 2: Youth seminar that John Carney is doing tonight on question Mark.

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Speaker 2: Will Interest rates be coming down? Welcome back, John Carney.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure having you on the program sir.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 10: You just sent me on the nostalgia trip all the

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Speaker 10: stuff I've done over the years. That was great.

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Speaker 2: Hard to believe how time has flown, isn't it?

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Speaker 4: John?

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Speaker 10: It really is incredible, you know, When I started this,

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01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 10: we were just going into the two thousand and eighth

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Speaker 10: financial crisis, and you know, here we are just and

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Speaker 10: it seems like we never run out of crises, kept

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Speaker 10: being business.

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Speaker 2: Well we're on that note, John Kearney, isn't that sort

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Speaker 2: of kind of intentional? I mean, I've been doing radio.

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Speaker 2: Next year is my twentieth year on radio. But I've

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Speaker 2: been following politics since I was like sixteen years old.

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Speaker 2: Reagan's second election was when I really got engaged in politics,

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Speaker 2: and I've never turned back. It was a topic of

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Speaker 2: conversation and at the dinner table. I've really been engaged

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01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 2: for my entire life. So it's always been crisis. I mean,

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Speaker 2: part of I think part of the reality, Well, this

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01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 2: is the idea, is we always kept in a mentality

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Speaker 2: of crisis mode. You know, the world's going to end,

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Speaker 2: We're all going to die, the market's going to crash,

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Speaker 2: the market's going to go up, and you know, we

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01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:22,919
Speaker 2: don't follow up to find out, well was that prediction

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Speaker 2: true from last year. It's just once they announced these

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Speaker 2: terrible headlines that we move on and go about with

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Speaker 2: our lives. Should we ever feel like we're in crisis?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, no, that's a great point. Look, one of the

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Speaker 10: things that's definitely true is that the media has predicted

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Speaker 10: just about eight out of the last two crisises, meaning

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Speaker 10: there is constantly a crisis, you know, on the horizon

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Speaker 10: or actually happening. I remember the first Trump administration. We

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Speaker 10: were told constantly that we were going to have inflation

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Speaker 10: because of the terroriffts he put on China, and I

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Speaker 10: covered that every month in and out all three of

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Speaker 10: the major inflation reports that the government produces, and there

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Speaker 10: was no inflation. And it really wasn't until the pandemic

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Speaker 10: struck that finally started, when people were distracted by a

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Speaker 10: real crisis, that the media started to admit, oh, okay,

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Speaker 10: you know, we were wrong. There was no inflation because.

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Speaker 7: Of the tariffs.

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Speaker 2: But there was inflation because of the Inflation Reduction Act

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Speaker 2: and the COVID nineteen response money and the trillions of

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Speaker 2: dollars that were thrown into the economy from printed dollars

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Speaker 2: that watered down the value of our currency.

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Speaker 10: That's right. And they said that inflation wouldn't happen. They

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Speaker 10: so they predicted the inflation that didn't happen would happen.

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Speaker 10: And the prediction and they predicted that the inflation that

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Speaker 10: actually did happen was the worst in forty years. They

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Speaker 10: you know, wasn't really happening. And by the way, we'd

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Speaker 10: go away almost immediately. Here we are five years later

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Speaker 10: and we're still dealing with it.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: The pesky reality of inflation is while the inflation rate

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01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 2: can go up or down, as the case may be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm old enough to remember the seventies when

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Speaker 2: we had stagflation, but the prices never really go down.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you see it two percent increase in inflation

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Speaker 2: and you've been struggling with seven or eight percent inflation.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I'm never going to see say, two dollars

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Speaker 2: ninety nine cent per pound beef again. I'm never going

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Speaker 2: to see a bag of chips that actually has sixteen

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Speaker 2: ounces in it for three ninety nine as opposed to

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Speaker 2: the twelve ounces you get for three ninety nine. It

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Speaker 2: just doesn't come down, that's right.

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Speaker 10: The prices don't come down. The most you can hope

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01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 10: for is that you have low inflation for a few years,

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01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 10: which may sort of bring you back on track. But

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01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 10: the truth is that once you have a period of

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01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 10: high inflation, as you said, you jump up nine percent.

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Speaker 10: Then even if you get normal levels of inflation around

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Speaker 10: two percent after that, you're permanently at a higher price

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01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 10: level than you should be. You can hope that you

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01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 10: can grow the economy a way that lets wages catch

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Speaker 10: up with that, but that takes a very long time. Basically,

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Speaker 10: and this is a I hate to have to deliver

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01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,919
Speaker 10: this bad news to people, but we are permanently, because

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Speaker 10: of the irresponsibility of the Biden administration and Howells Fed

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Speaker 10: during those years, we are permanently stuck at a high

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Speaker 10: price level that is not going to feel right, at

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Speaker 10: least for another ten years.

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Speaker 1: You're going to.

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Speaker 10: Feel You're still going to feel sticker shocked when you

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01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:33,720
Speaker 10: walk into a store, or order a meal at a restaurant,

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Speaker 10: or try to buy tickets to something. Prices are going

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01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 10: to feel too high for quite a while, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Now, If John Corney was chairman of the FED,

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Speaker 2: and you could turn back the tables of time to say, right,

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Speaker 2: when Biden got elected, I mean we had three percent

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Speaker 2: mortgage rates at the time, roughly, right, I mean that

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Speaker 2: was extraordinarily low. And I have to say out loud,

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Speaker 2: my listeners have been listening to me for a long time.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: But when my wife and I first bought our house,

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Speaker 2: this was nineteen ninety one and we were living in

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Speaker 2: oak Park, Illinois, that's where we bought the house. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I had to pay three points to buy down to

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Speaker 2: an eight and one to eight percent interest rate on

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Speaker 2: a on a seven twenty three balloon. That's I mean, I'm,

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Speaker 2: you know, crime a River at six percent. I understand

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Speaker 2: it's double what it was a few years ago, but

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Speaker 2: I mean six percent still seems within the realm of reality.

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Speaker 2: That's the big thorn in a lot of people's side

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Speaker 2: that they got so used to these really low interest rates.

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Speaker 2: The economy was kind of booming, real estate market was booming.

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Speaker 2: Would you have raised the interest rates back then? Is

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01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:33,280
Speaker 2: that a failure of the FED back then?

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Speaker 10: Yes? The first thing I think they should have done

1894
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Speaker 10: is made it clear that if the Biden administration went

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Speaker 10: ahead with its plans to spend trillions, that this would

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Speaker 10: be inflationary and that the FED would try to offset

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01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:51,640
Speaker 10: this by raising rates. Look, the FED can't control you know,

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Speaker 10: Joe Biden's spending programs, but they can do the opposite.

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Speaker 10: What they did instead, what they did is they sent

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Speaker 10: the all clear message to Joe Biden to go ahead,

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Speaker 10: spend your trillions and we will not interfere. We won't

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Speaker 10: raise rates, we will not make it.

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Speaker 1: So that we will not try to offset this at all.

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Speaker 10: And that's what set off the wild inflation. I think

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Speaker 10: if the FED had been less complicit in the Biden

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Speaker 10: administration's reckless spending, if they had just even signaled that

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Speaker 10: they were going to offset it, it probably would have

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01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 10: made Biden back off a little bit, and then that

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01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,679
Speaker 10: we would have had far less inflation. Instead, they worked

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01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 10: hand in hand. That was a disaster and we got

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01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:36,600
Speaker 10: this crazy inflation. So they should have told Biden not

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01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:38,640
Speaker 10: to do it, and if he went ahead and did it,

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01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 10: then yes, they should have raised rates much earlier. And

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Speaker 10: they should have never said that the inflation was transitory.

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01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 10: That was that in itself signaled to the market, to businesses,

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01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 10: to consumers that the Fed wasn't on top of things,

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Speaker 10: that they were going to let inflation get out of control,

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Speaker 10: and they did.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is, you know, directly tied to the bond market.

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Speaker 1: Correct, That's absolutely right.

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Speaker 10: Look, part of the thing is that when the government

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Speaker 10: is deficit spending like crazy and the FED starts to

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Speaker 10: raise interest rates. It actually then makes the FEDS the

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Speaker 10: government's borrowing more expensive, right, and they didn't want to

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Speaker 10: do that. It raises the deficit even more. And so

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Speaker 10: they were trying to help Biden by letting him do

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Speaker 10: all this deficit spending while being able to borrow cheap.

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Speaker 10: That was a disaster. They should not have been complicit with.

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Speaker 10: They really needed to be. You know, people talk about

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Speaker 10: FED independence all the time. The FED lost its independence

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Speaker 10: during the early Biden administration. They instead became an agent

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Speaker 10: of the Biden administration. And that was a that had

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Speaker 10: disastrous results, which is exactly what we would think would

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Speaker 10: happen when they become the agent of a you know,

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Speaker 10: a pre spending political regime.

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Speaker 2: Well, in this spending free for all, in this full

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Speaker 2: low interest rate was all supported by and covered up

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Speaker 2: and masked by the whole Oh my god, COVID nineteen.

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Speaker 2: We're all gonna die, right.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 10: Look, they kept it it. So it made a lot

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Speaker 10: of sense, especially early on in the pandemic when they

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Speaker 10: were ordering businesses to close and they basically we're freezing

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Speaker 10: the economy, to say, okay, well we're going to fight

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Speaker 10: some of the downturn with.

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Speaker 1: Very low interest rates.

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Speaker 10: But as soon as we started to reopen things, which

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Speaker 10: means just a few months into this thing, right, they

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Speaker 10: should have said, Okay, we can back off of the

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Speaker 10: ultra low interest rates. We don't need to send out

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Speaker 10: more stimulus checks. People were flooding into restaurants in places

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Speaker 10: they could with the relief of thank god, I can

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Speaker 10: go out again. And yet we were still sending stimulus

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Speaker 10: checks to people, and the Fed was still holding interest

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Speaker 10: rates at near zero. That was a bad combination.

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Speaker 2: Bad combination, and like all government programs, ready fire aim

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Speaker 2: replete with fraud, waste, and abuse because no one cared

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Speaker 2: where the money was going, and it went out to

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Speaker 2: a bunch of nefarious actors. Sorry for interjecting that, John Carney,

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Speaker 2: but this kind of thing has been driving me more

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Speaker 2: crazy of late than I think it ever has in

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Speaker 2: my life, as all these programs are revealed for the

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Speaker 2: fraud riddled programs that they are. Now Tonight's conversation, it's

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Speaker 2: empower Youamerica dot org. Empower You America dot org gets

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Speaker 2: advance for the seminar, and that's where John Carney is

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Speaker 2: going to be speaking about and maybe answering the question

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Speaker 2: will interest rates be coming down? Thinking of those that

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Speaker 2: have been priced out of the homeowner market, I don't

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Speaker 2: think the housing availability is ever going to increase, at

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Speaker 2: least not in the near term. John, So what impact

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Speaker 2: or what effect? First off, do you think the rates

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Speaker 2: will be coming down? What are the indicators that would

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Speaker 2: suggest the Fed might lower them? Or might the Fed

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Speaker 2: just leave things status quo? Which is kind of the

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Speaker 2: position I think I'm leaning toward, at least if I

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Speaker 2: had to read tea leaves but no financial expert of mine.

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Speaker 10: So I think the Fed very likely maybe cutting at

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Speaker 10: the meeting in December, but then they are not going

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Speaker 10: to cut for probably the rest of Powell's tenure as

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Speaker 10: FED chairman. That means he leaves in May, so we

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Speaker 10: may get one more cut. Then the Fed will sit

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Speaker 10: tight and see how that goes through the economy. I

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Speaker 10: don't think that will do very much for the interest

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Speaker 10: rates that matter. Remember, the FED target's a very short

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Speaker 10: term interest rate. The rates that matter are built off

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Speaker 10: of that, but they're really built up what investors think

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Speaker 10: the path of interest rates will be. So if the

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Speaker 10: FED signals it's going to sit tight for longer. That

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Speaker 10: will keep interest rates higher. I'm not sure, and I'll

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Speaker 10: talk about this more tonight, but I'm not sure actually

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Speaker 10: cutting interest rates will do as much as people hope

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Speaker 10: for home affordability.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 10: That is a very tricky thing because look, when you

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Speaker 10: cut interest rates, one of the things that happens is

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Speaker 10: because people can borrow cheaper, they're willing to pay more

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Speaker 10: for homes, and it tends to push up home prices. Right,

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Speaker 10: So it's not the panacea that people think.

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Speaker 2: Well, John, the only thing that's going to solve that

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Speaker 2: problem is more supply. I mean, we need more supplay.

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Speaker 2: We need more supply of what I would call truly

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Speaker 2: affordable housing. I'm not talking about something like government subsidized,

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Speaker 2: but I'm talking about you know, don't buy a five thousand,

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Speaker 2: eight thousand square foot mansion mcmanchain. Once you buy something

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Speaker 2: that's a little bit more reasonable, smaller in size, easier

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Speaker 2: to build, a more affordable, less to maintain, less to furnish.

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Speaker 2: I mean, across the board, owning a smaller home is

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Speaker 2: far more financially prudent from my perspective.

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Speaker 10: Yes, and one of the things we need those that's

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Speaker 10: a longer term problem. In other words, it's not something

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Speaker 10: that a president can fix, you know, within a year.

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Speaker 10: That's a longer term building problem. It is also, frankly,

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Speaker 10: a problem that cuts across political barriers, where you have

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Speaker 10: environmentalists who are really worried that you might have to

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Speaker 10: build some more roads if you're going to build houses

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Speaker 10: or more houses, because each of those houses is going

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Speaker 10: to have a family that's driving, so you need more

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Speaker 10: roads out there. They don't like that because they think

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Speaker 10: it'll cause climate change to accelerate. So you have a

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Speaker 10: there's a lot of barriers to try to get it done.

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Speaker 10: We can, I believe, and I think we will over

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Speaker 10: time solve this problem, but it's not something that's going

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Speaker 10: to go away quickly. Frankly. Also, Donald Trump's immigration policies

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Speaker 10: are very helpful in this regard. I know a lot

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Speaker 10: of people say the opposite. They say, oh no, a

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Speaker 10: lot of the illegal immigrants are engaged in building, but

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Speaker 10: they have to but before they can build one house,

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Speaker 10: they have to live in one. And they were frankly,

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Speaker 10: when you have twelve million people come in over just

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Speaker 10: a few short years, you are using up a lot

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Speaker 10: of your housing stock. Cutting down on that will actually

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Speaker 10: provide some relief. It creates supply for people who are legally.

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Speaker 2: Here right our financial editor to John Karney talking about

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Speaker 2: tonight seven ARS seven pm Empower at You America Dot

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Speaker 2: or one more thing I have to ask you about

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Speaker 2: John before we part company this morning. In very enlightening conversation.

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Speaker 2: It's been the job market, the jobs that are out

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Speaker 2: there that are available, the level of employment that all

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Speaker 2: is part of what the FED factors in a determining

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Speaker 2: interest rates. Do you see sort of a very quick

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Speaker 2: upheaval in the job market is brought about by artificial intelligence?

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Speaker 2: I mean more and more people are losing their jobs

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Speaker 2: to AI. A lot of people can be replaced now

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Speaker 2: with artificial intelligence. Is there going to be sort of

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Speaker 2: a sudden mass firing, you know, over a very much

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Speaker 2: shorter period of time than we typically see what the

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Speaker 2: job market? Do you foresee something like that happening and

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Speaker 2: might that impact the whole FED decision in the future.

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Speaker 10: I don't think we're going to see a sudden shift.

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Speaker 10: One problem with trying to read the labor market right now.

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Speaker 10: This normally would be a job's week, where we would

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Speaker 10: have a job's report on jobs Friday, first Friday of

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Speaker 10: every month. We're not going to have that this week.

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Speaker 10: We're actually and we've we're missing jobs reports because of

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Speaker 10: the government shutdown that the Democrats caused because they wouldn't

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Speaker 10: vote for appropriations. I think so it's a little hard

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Speaker 10: to tell what's going on right now, and I don't

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Speaker 10: think we're going to get a sudden AI jump. I

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Speaker 10: think the AIS immediate factor will be something on the

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Speaker 10: realm of around displacing five percent of jobs. Over the

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Speaker 10: longer term, we may get more, but that means a

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Speaker 10: meeting that would have twenty people will have nineteen instead,

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Speaker 10: and the economy will be able to adapt to that

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Speaker 10: relatively quickly. Over the long term, there may be a

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Speaker 10: big shift in the kind of jobs people do, but

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Speaker 10: I don't think we're going to see like half the

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Speaker 10: jobs go away sometime next year.

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Speaker 2: It's a plus, John Carney, Tonight seven pm, log in

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Speaker 2: Tell your friends about it. And again, you don't have

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Speaker 2: to drive out on the roads to see this one.

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Speaker 2: It's virtual only. John, thanks for your time today. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: you doing the empower you seminar, and appreciate everything you're

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Speaker 2: doing at Breitbart. It's just a great website and I

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Speaker 2: encourage my listeners to check it out regularly. John. Until

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Speaker 2: we talk again, Man, have a great day.

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Speaker 10: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: This has been great, my pleasure. Seven eight twenty one,

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Speaker 2: eight twenty nine. On that Tuesday, it is that time

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Speaker 2: of week. I always look forward to it. I know

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Speaker 2: you do too as well. Its retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel

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Speaker 2: Davis for the illiteratively titled Daniel Davis Deep Dive. Find

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Speaker 2: him online. Wherever you get your podcast, look for Daniel

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Speaker 2: has a great He does a great job explaining the

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Speaker 2: complicated realities of war, which we've been out a roll

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Speaker 2: on this one. Daniel Davis, Welcome back to the fifty

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Speaker 2: five Carcy Morning Show. My friend, always a pleasure.

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Speaker 9: With the morning. Tell you Brian, good to see.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I can see and the technical issues have been resolved.

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Speaker 2: I see Joe Streckers back where he belonged to the

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Speaker 2: production booths. So those details ironed out now.

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Speaker 10: I.

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Speaker 2: Mean I was doing Dealer's choice last week, we're a

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Speaker 2: pick a topic. I wanted to start on the Russia

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Speaker 2: Ukraine situation this morning because I saw a couple of

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Speaker 2: articles and headlines I kind of wanted to bounce off

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Speaker 2: you and get your reaction. First Off, you've documented, explained

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Speaker 2: many many times the precarious situation the Ukrainians are in

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Speaker 2: relative to the strength of Russia's military. Ukraine's running out

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Speaker 2: of soldiers, warm bodies, They're short on equipment, They're begging

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Speaker 2: the world for assistance and help, and YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 2: I saw this article, and while the article does acknowledge,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's like the fog of war. The numbers

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Speaker 2: are a bit fuzzy, but a lot of Ukrainian soldiers

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Speaker 2: are deserting. And the one article I read was Ukrainian

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Speaker 2: prosecutors handling more than three hundred thousand desertion cases. The

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Speaker 2: number of people deserting, and the number of people deserting

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Speaker 2: within any given time frame, regardless of the overall number,

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Speaker 2: is pretty substantial. That this is a part of the

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Speaker 2: problem they're facing that I wasn't even aware of. I

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Speaker 2: get the concept of desertion, but if you can't get

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Speaker 2: your own citizens to fight against the Russians. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is just another domino falling for Ukraine. Do you

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Speaker 2: think these figures are accurate? Is that kind of your

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Speaker 2: understanding of what's on the front lines in the battle?

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Speaker 8: They are accurate, and I can tell you I have

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Speaker 8: firsthand knowledge from a former cabinet official in the first

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Speaker 8: couple of years of the Zelensky administration out of Kiev,

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Speaker 8: and they said that the situation is generally worse than

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Speaker 8: what's being reported because they try to put a cap

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Speaker 8: on all the bad news. You have a combination of

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Speaker 8: several things working together that are fatal to the Ukraine side.

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Speaker 8: Number one is the desertions you mentioned like that, I

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Speaker 8: think that they're working three hundred thousand. They've had one

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Speaker 8: hundred and six one thousand between January first and October

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Speaker 8: thirty first. I don't know what the numbers are for

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Speaker 8: the month of November, but it was one hundred and

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Speaker 8: sixty one thousand. Then at the same time you had

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Speaker 8: approximately two hundred thousand men of between the ages of

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Speaker 8: eighteen and twenty two flee the country.

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Speaker 9: They left.

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Speaker 8: You have somewhere around seventeen thousand forced mobilizations per month

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Speaker 8: that they bring in, and then there's the it's still

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Speaker 8: a state secret, but some huge number of casualties per month.

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Speaker 8: And when you see the number of men that are

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Speaker 8: force mobilized then come up and get wounded, of those

2140
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Speaker 8: that fight, then the number that flee because of that

2141
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Speaker 8: they left the country, and the desertions, you see that

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Speaker 8: they are literally physically shrinking by a substantial portion every month,

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Speaker 8: while the Russian side continues to grow every month because

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Speaker 8: they recruit, not force mobilized, but recruit more people than

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01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:54,240
Speaker 8: they lose through all means every single month. So while

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Speaker 8: they're getting bigger and stronger, the Ukraine's side is shrinking.

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Speaker 8: And it's just a mathematical certainty that at some point

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Speaker 8: math will take its effect and you will see a

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Speaker 8: collapse somewhere of the front. We're starting to see early

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Speaker 8: signs of that in multiple places along the front line.

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Speaker 8: Vladimir Putin had a press conference last night where he

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Speaker 8: announced several cities had had folded et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Pokrovosk was one that he claimed to be captured. They said,

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Speaker 2: the Russia proclaims final victory over key city Pokrovosk. On

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Speaker 2: eve of Putin Witkoff Peace Plan meeting. Now, timing is everything,

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Speaker 2: So they're going in with what arguably is yet another

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Speaker 2: feather in their cap on the front lines to negotiate

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Speaker 2: a resolution, which of course is going to require some

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Speaker 2: land concessions, which sounds like the land concessions are going

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Speaker 2: to be growing.

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Speaker 9: Well, here's the issue. It's number one.

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Speaker 8: There's no question that Russia announced that on the eve

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01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:51,680
Speaker 8: of Whitcoff's meeting intentionally. The fact is they basically already

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01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,200
Speaker 8: had it almost ten days ago. There was just a

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Speaker 8: few outlying neighborhoods that they had to clear, and I

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Speaker 8: guess they were waiting on this. I don't know, but

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01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:01,160
Speaker 8: I was wondering why they haven't announcement because they have

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Speaker 8: had effective control over it for nearly two weeks now.

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Speaker 8: So that was Pokrovsk. Now that there are about two

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Speaker 8: thousand additional Ukraine troops that are physically surrounded in the

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Speaker 8: sister city Mirnograd, there are now no more possibility of

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01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:18,440
Speaker 8: them escaping. In the Zaparisha area, there is another settlement

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01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:20,640
Speaker 8: that on the way to the city of Zaparisia, now

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Speaker 8: putting that at risk. There is Krasny Leman has been

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01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:27,240
Speaker 8: seeing Russian advances, and then one of the biggest ones

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01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 8: is up in the Kharkiv area, in the place called

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Speaker 8: Vochansk has now also been completely captured by the Russians.

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Speaker 8: And then one of the most important things Putin said

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Speaker 8: that we didn't know yesterday was that they now have

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01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:44,040
Speaker 8: plans to capture the province of not per kolts Star,

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01:58:44,160 --> 01:58:47,240
Speaker 8: that's the city Denipro. They now are going to add

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01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:52,120
Speaker 8: another oblast that they're going to conquer and clear. That's news,

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Speaker 8: and I'm sure that's going to have a big effect

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Speaker 8: when Whitkof gets to town. But the bottom line for

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01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:59,160
Speaker 8: Russia is, y'all, I don't know why y'all are talking

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01:58:59,160 --> 01:59:02,480
Speaker 8: about security, gainuarrantees and coalition to the willing and stuff.

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01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 8: He goes, because there's nothing you can do that's going

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01:59:05,480 --> 01:59:06,880
Speaker 8: to stop us from taking what.

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01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:08,360
Speaker 9: We want on the battlefield.

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Speaker 8: So you either have a negotiated settlement on the terms

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01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:14,400
Speaker 8: we're willing to contemplate today, or we will continue to

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Speaker 8: go in at least up to the Daneper River. And

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Speaker 8: I don't see anything that can stop the western.

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01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:22,520
Speaker 2: Side and these regions you're referring to either captured or

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01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 2: maybe will be captured up to the Never River? Are

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01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:29,760
Speaker 2: they Russian dominated? In other words, in early on we

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01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:33,040
Speaker 2: talked about CRIMEA. Crimea was logical for Russia to want.

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Speaker 2: It was built made of primarily Russian sympathized leading individuals

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Speaker 2: that just happen to be in the Ukraine border. I

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01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:43,480
Speaker 2: understand conceptually that are we starting to see the Russians

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01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:48,560
Speaker 2: get into areas that are devoutly shall I say, patriotically Ukrainian?

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01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:51,800
Speaker 9: No, No, they're not even close to that yet.

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01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:55,880
Speaker 8: Really, when you look at demographically, everything up to the

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01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:59,960
Speaker 8: Dannepper River is primarily ethnic Russian, and I'm pretty substanti

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02:00:00,120 --> 02:00:02,000
Speaker 8: a portion of it. The further west you go from

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Speaker 8: the Danepe River, then the percentage just drop off perceptuously

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02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:07,360
Speaker 8: and then it becomes, you know, furthest to the west

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02:00:07,400 --> 02:00:11,200
Speaker 8: it's you know, anti and violently anti Russian in the

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Speaker 8: Ukrainian going forward. But you're talking about the cities of

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Speaker 8: Kharkiv and Odessa, which are the two jewels that are

2211
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:21,960
Speaker 8: still in Ukraine control. Those are heavily Russian population, and

2212
02:00:22,040 --> 02:00:24,600
Speaker 8: of course they they claim historically they're Theirs, et cetera.

2213
02:00:25,320 --> 02:00:27,560
Speaker 8: But now then you see that they're moving towards that

2214
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:29,800
Speaker 8: one in the Kharkiv in the north, because now they're

2215
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:33,040
Speaker 8: into what's called the operational space of the Kharkiv Oblast

2216
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:35,840
Speaker 8: leading right to the city. And then because of these

2217
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:39,560
Speaker 8: shots that the West has been doing through Ukraine to

2218
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:42,840
Speaker 8: take out their two of their big tankers in the

2219
02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:45,960
Speaker 8: so called Shadow Fleet, many in Russia are now saying,

2220
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:48,560
Speaker 8: all right, that's the last straw. Now, then the only

2221
02:00:48,600 --> 02:00:51,360
Speaker 8: way we can stop that is to take Odessa. And

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02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:53,480
Speaker 8: so this this may open up a new path to

2223
02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:56,480
Speaker 8: where they they're gonna beyond, go beyond the Daneper River

2224
02:00:56,560 --> 02:00:59,160
Speaker 8: in the south, even all the way to Daneper eventually.

2225
02:00:59,240 --> 02:01:01,160
Speaker 8: I don't know how long it might take, but that

2226
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:02,680
Speaker 8: seems to be in the crossairs now.

2227
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Speaker 2: Well, maybe the delay in negotiating a peace resolution is

2228
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:08,160
Speaker 2: they want to capture all of the regions that they

2229
02:01:08,240 --> 02:01:10,720
Speaker 2: can claim are made up of these sort of Russian

2230
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:11,840
Speaker 2: loyalist people.

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Speaker 8: And look, let's just this, just be blunt here, take

2232
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:19,760
Speaker 8: the emotions out of it for a moment. Militarily, it

2233
02:01:19,960 --> 02:01:22,080
Speaker 8: makes a lot of sense for the Russians to say, hey,

2234
02:01:22,240 --> 02:01:24,880
Speaker 8: why do I want to worry about thinking about twenty

2235
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:26,200
Speaker 8: eight points or nineteen points?

2236
02:01:26,240 --> 02:01:27,720
Speaker 9: And give you this, then I'll take that.

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02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:29,960
Speaker 8: You can take this thing over here, when they can say,

2238
02:01:30,080 --> 02:01:32,960
Speaker 8: we'll just keep going like we are with the status

2239
02:01:33,080 --> 02:01:36,520
Speaker 8: quo until we don't have to negotiate anything. We'll simply

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Speaker 8: take by force of arms what we want. The cost

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Speaker 8: will be high, but they have the cost, they have

2242
02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:44,360
Speaker 8: the resources to pay that, both in blood.

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02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:46,640
Speaker 9: Treasure and ammunition. They can do it.

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02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:49,480
Speaker 8: And so from that perspective, because Russia is thinking long term,

2245
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:51,360
Speaker 8: they're not thinking just get to the end of the

2246
02:01:51,440 --> 02:01:53,000
Speaker 8: year or just get to the end of this war.

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02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:57,240
Speaker 8: They're thinking established security, you know, going forward for decades,

2248
02:01:57,240 --> 02:01:59,800
Speaker 8: et cetera. And for them to pay that process not

2249
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:02,960
Speaker 8: that high because the payoff for their country, as they

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02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:05,920
Speaker 8: see it, is high. That's the problem that I don't

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02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:08,120
Speaker 8: think we've come to grips with yet at the negotiating table.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I'm sure that they're really looking forward to

2253
02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:13,720
Speaker 2: say so they can call something a win in the

2254
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:16,640
Speaker 2: win column. After so many imming the Soviet Union fel

2255
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Speaker 2: they lost a lot of regions and provinces. They things

2256
02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:21,680
Speaker 2: move western. So I think they're in it for a

2257
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:25,360
Speaker 2: you know, a moral victory as well as the land acquisition.

2258
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:28,480
Speaker 2: Victory on top of everything, would it would serve as

2259
02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:31,960
Speaker 2: least incentive for the patriotic Russians to want to continue

2260
02:02:31,960 --> 02:02:34,640
Speaker 2: to fight this fight, unlike the Ukrainians who are apparently

2261
02:02:34,680 --> 02:02:35,680
Speaker 2: fleeing the battlefield.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and Brian, it's stronger than that, because it's not

2263
02:02:39,360 --> 02:02:42,760
Speaker 8: just you know, a military moral victory against Ukraine. It

2264
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:45,920
Speaker 8: is a massive victory against NATO. And that's how they

2265
02:02:45,960 --> 02:02:48,720
Speaker 8: would see it because NATO has done everything in their power,

2266
02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:52,040
Speaker 8: fifty nations, all the stuff that we've given, everything that

2267
02:02:52,120 --> 02:02:57,240
Speaker 8: we've tried with training with weapons, ammunition, the intelligence, support, targeting, support,

2268
02:02:57,320 --> 02:02:57,880
Speaker 8: long range.

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Speaker 9: If all of that fails, it won't just be a

2270
02:03:00,680 --> 02:03:01,360
Speaker 9: paper victory.

2271
02:03:01,440 --> 02:03:03,880
Speaker 8: It will be a pretty substantial victory that many around

2272
02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:07,440
Speaker 8: the world will observe and go, holy smokes, everything NATO

2273
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:08,360
Speaker 8: tried to do failed.

2274
02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:10,120
Speaker 9: So it is a big deal.

2275
02:03:10,160 --> 02:03:11,760
Speaker 8: And one of the reasons why I think that we

2276
02:03:11,960 --> 02:03:14,800
Speaker 8: should say, let's don't get to that point. Let's have

2277
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:17,560
Speaker 8: an ugly negotiated deal now, so that we can prevent

2278
02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:20,040
Speaker 8: them from getting all that kind of a victory, at

2279
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:22,720
Speaker 8: least a full one, because otherwise it'll just look like

2280
02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:25,240
Speaker 8: we could do nothing and we could not stop the

2281
02:03:25,320 --> 02:03:26,760
Speaker 8: Russians all the way up to the border.

2282
02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:29,560
Speaker 2: Take your wins where you can get them. Apparently one

2283
02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:32,080
Speaker 2: more thing I have to ask, and you know, moving

2284
02:03:32,360 --> 02:03:36,880
Speaker 2: forward in the aftermath of whatever this war leads to,

2285
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:43,280
Speaker 2: whatever solution negotiated or not, the breadbasket of the region Ukraine.

2286
02:03:43,360 --> 02:03:46,480
Speaker 2: Talked about the fields, the grain, the abundance of all

2287
02:03:46,640 --> 02:03:49,400
Speaker 2: these resources. Who in the hell is going to be

2288
02:03:49,480 --> 02:03:52,000
Speaker 2: there to farm the land? Daniel Davis.

2289
02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:54,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, there's plenty of people that will farm

2290
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:57,720
Speaker 8: it because it'll just be under the Russian control, but

2291
02:03:57,800 --> 02:04:01,640
Speaker 8: the people themselves will steal farm it. The bigger problem, though, Brian,

2292
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:04,440
Speaker 8: is that the amount of ordinance that had been expended

2293
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:09,120
Speaker 8: there and bombs and unexploded ordinance, bomb fragments, et cetera,

2294
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:12,680
Speaker 8: is so massive it's going to take I bet more

2295
02:04:12,760 --> 02:04:15,000
Speaker 8: than a decade, probably a lot more than a decade

2296
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:17,120
Speaker 8: to get all that taken out. And you're talking minds

2297
02:04:17,160 --> 02:04:19,600
Speaker 8: as well, so a lot of that, some of the

2298
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:23,280
Speaker 8: best most fertile territory is sewed with mines and and

2299
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:26,120
Speaker 8: unexploded bomb fragments, et cetera. And you've got to get

2300
02:04:26,160 --> 02:04:28,120
Speaker 8: all that stuff cleared out before you can even start

2301
02:04:28,200 --> 02:04:30,920
Speaker 8: to work in in no matter who controls it. So

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02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:33,960
Speaker 8: that's something that's going to be negatively affected for a

2303
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:35,280
Speaker 8: long long time to come.

2304
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Speaker 2: It sure is. But given the gravity of that problem,

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02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:41,160
Speaker 2: I would like to think some you know, international body

2306
02:04:41,360 --> 02:04:44,680
Speaker 2: of folks, maybe like the Baby Blue Hats, could go

2307
02:04:44,840 --> 02:04:47,720
Speaker 2: in and start solving that problem on behalf of humanity

2308
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Speaker 2: given all the unexploded ordinance.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, we still have people doing the mining

2310
02:04:52,360 --> 02:04:54,840
Speaker 8: operations in Vietnam. There's no question that a lot of

2311
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:57,000
Speaker 8: people want to do that, but we've got to have

2312
02:04:57,120 --> 02:04:58,760
Speaker 8: a security environment to allow it.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem. Davis retired Lieutenant Colonel Find him where

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Speaker 2: I like, yes, telling it like it is. You don't

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Speaker 2: sugarcoat anything, Daniel. We all need a healthy dose of

2319
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Speaker 2: that man to really come to grips with what's going on.

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Speaker 8: But we got to have a healthy dopet so that

2321
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Speaker 8: we can get to something that actually can sustain and

2322
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Speaker 8: be good for the outcome.

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Speaker 9: If you don't do that then you're going to be

2324
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Speaker 9: left with whatever's left over.

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Speaker 2: Stop the death. That's your in my goal, I think

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Speaker 2: in the long run, Daniel Davis, Until next week, have

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Speaker 2: so you're not exactly new.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: Brian.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so I've been here for like three months and

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Speaker 11: I've enjoyed time working at Wetze and this is lung

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Speaker 11: cancer Awareness months, so I'm glad to be here to

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Speaker 11: talking about lung cancer, the newer treatment options and early detection.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, I was I have notes. Clearly, I'm

2351
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Speaker 2: not a doctor, nor am I a lung cancer specialist,

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Speaker 2: nor do I play when on radio, but lung cancer

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Speaker 2: is the second most common cancer in men and women,

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Speaker 2: you say, behind prostate and breast cancer, respectively. I kind

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02:07:04,280 --> 02:07:06,760
Speaker 2: of expected that figure to have dropped some. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're all got the memo quit smoking because that's the

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Speaker 2: leading cause of lung cancer. Is this still smoking related

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Speaker 2: primarily or is there environmental relations with why we continue

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Speaker 2: to have such a high incidence of lung cancer?

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Speaker 11: Very good question. So it's still primarily smoking related, although

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Speaker 11: the smoking related lung cancer is slowly declining. But unfortunately

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Speaker 11: in certain groups and certain ethnicities, especially young women Asian descent,

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Speaker 11: the lung cancer rates are unfortunately increasing. There's also like

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Speaker 11: environmental exposure air pollution, rad on exposure, which is unfortunately

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Speaker 11: common in Ohio too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Radon, Yeah, I think I have my head in

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Speaker 2: the sand on doing the radon check. I've been in

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Speaker 2: my home for thirty years. I just rather not know.

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Speaker 2: Don't quote me on that doctor anyway. I understand there

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Speaker 2: are two types of lung cancer. Can you break that

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Speaker 2: down for my listeners what the two types are and

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Speaker 2: how they differ.

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Speaker 11: Yes, so there are two types. One is small cell

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Speaker 11: lung cancer and the other one is called non small

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02:08:16,200 --> 02:08:19,880
Speaker 11: cell lung cancer. The lung cancer it's called small cell

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Speaker 11: based on how it appears under the microscope. Small cell

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Speaker 11: lung cancer unfortunately tends to progress rapidly, and fortunately it's

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Speaker 11: less common. Only ten to fifteen percent of lung cancer

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Speaker 11: is small cell lung cancer. It definitely has a high

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Speaker 11: risk of association with smoking. Almost ninety five percent of

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Speaker 11: patients with small cell lung cancer have some smoking history,

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Speaker 11: and the five year survival rate for extensive stage also

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Speaker 11: known as stage four small cell lung cancer is still

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Speaker 11: very poor, only seven percent. Non smell cell lung cancer

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Speaker 11: is more common, and it's again divided to several subtypes.

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Speaker 11: It is still tied to smoking, but in general, non

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Speaker 11: small cell lung cancer has better survival rate, and especially

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Speaker 11: you know when it's diagnosed in lower stages.

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Speaker 2: All right, we did talk about the risk factors. Eighty

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Speaker 2: five percent of all lung cancers caused by smoking. Secondhand

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Speaker 2: smoke can be an issue that's like an environmental reality

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Speaker 2: that we're all facing. You mentioned the raid on. Before

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Speaker 2: we get to treatment options, what are some of the

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Speaker 2: early indicators that you may be have you may have

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Speaker 2: a problem, you maybe having lung cancer. I mean, what

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Speaker 2: should I be looking for? For example in my world idea?

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Speaker 11: Sure, so if you have a cough that's not going

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Speaker 11: away after you know, let's say four to six weeks

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Speaker 11: or so, then I think definitely it should get evaluated,

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02:09:53,520 --> 02:09:57,560
Speaker 11: especially if it's somebody with smoking history, right, you know

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02:09:57,640 --> 02:10:00,520
Speaker 11: you need to see your primary care rather quickly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't chalk it off it's just smoker's cough. You

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02:10:03,160 --> 02:10:04,919
Speaker 2: may have a bigger problem going on exactly.

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02:10:06,080 --> 02:10:09,800
Speaker 11: Also like nuance at shortness of breath or worsening shortness

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Speaker 11: of breath, And if you have like bloody sputum, then

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Speaker 11: definitely losing weight without trying, you know, that's another reason.

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02:10:20,520 --> 02:10:23,240
Speaker 11: You know you need to see your primary care and

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02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:24,680
Speaker 11: get further evaluation.

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02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:28,120
Speaker 2: All right, turning to treatment options, we need to get

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02:10:28,160 --> 02:10:31,800
Speaker 2: that low survival rate figure up. So what are the

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Speaker 2: treatment options we're talking about now, doctor sure?

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Speaker 11: Before we go to treatment option, I do want to say,

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Speaker 11: in patients with a smoking history, usually say twenty pack

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02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:46,200
Speaker 11: years smoking history, or those who quit within the last

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Speaker 11: fifteen years or so, we recommend getting an annual load

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Speaker 11: o CT scan for lung cancer screening because the goal

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Speaker 11: is to catch it early. So in anybody who is

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Speaker 11: between the ages of fifty to eighty years of age

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02:11:02,440 --> 02:11:07,120
Speaker 11: and has a significant smoking history, definitely follow with primary

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Speaker 11: care and get CT scan schedule, just like how we

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Speaker 11: recommend mammogram for a woman.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so since I'm getting a general body CT scan

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Speaker 2: from neck to waste for my lymphoma, then if i

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02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:23,800
Speaker 2: have any issues of my lungs, They're gonna red flag

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Speaker 2: that form during that process. Good, all right, I don't

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02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:28,640
Speaker 2: have that to worry about that, all right. So the

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Speaker 2: treatment options, so obviously this has something to do with

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Speaker 2: what stage you catch the cancer at, that's right.

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Speaker 11: So the treatment options depends on what kind of lung

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Speaker 11: cancer it is. It can change between small cell and

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Speaker 11: non small cell lung cancer. And also you know what

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Speaker 11: stage it is, So stage one is the earlier stage.

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Speaker 11: Usually those lung cancer we're talking about non small cell.

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Speaker 11: Generally we do like surgery some cases radiation therapy which

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Speaker 11: is directly targeted towards that lung nodule, so in that

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Speaker 11: way the toxicity is less. When it comes to stage two,

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Speaker 11: we still opt for surgery, but some patients may need

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Speaker 11: some upfront chemo immunotherapy to shrink the tumor. And then

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Speaker 11: stage three and beyond, generally it's a chemo radiation. When

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Speaker 11: it comes to stage four, that's when the molecular testing

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Speaker 11: makes a huge role because I would say, you know,

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Speaker 11: ten years ago or fifteen years ago, we used to

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Speaker 11: give chemotherapy. There were no role for like immunotherapy or

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Speaker 11: targeted therapy, but now we have those new treatment options. Historically,

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Speaker 11: non small cell lung cancer, like roughly ten years ago,

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Speaker 11: the survival rate for stage four non small cell was

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Speaker 11: around four percent, but now it has changed, and especially

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Speaker 11: with targeted therapy and immunotherapy, certain subtypes of non small

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Speaker 11: cellung cancer are you know, like twenty to forty percent

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Speaker 11: five year survival rate, which is very impressive.

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Speaker 2: That is amazing progress. And I know you at OHC

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Speaker 2: were involved with these new treatments, so you're always doing that,

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Speaker 2: and which leads me to what I always end with

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Speaker 2: clinical trials, which OHG is always doing. It's the place

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Speaker 2: to be clinical trials. You have clinical trials relating to

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Speaker 2: lung cancer going on.

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Speaker 11: Yes, we have over ten different trials for lung cancer,

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Speaker 11: both non small cell and small cell lung cancer focused

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Speaker 11: on improving quality of life and better outcomes. These trials

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Speaker 11: help us to truly individualize the care plans that will

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Speaker 11: lead us to treating cancer more effectively and eventually curing

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Speaker 11: lung cancer. One other thing I do want to bring

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Speaker 11: your attention to is a newer treatment called BITE therapy.

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, so BITE therapy. It stands for bispecific

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Speaker 11: T cell engager therapy or in other words, it's kind

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Speaker 11: of like a drug that acts like a matchmaker or

2467
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Speaker 11: a bridge that brings your body's immune cells directly to

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Speaker 11: the cancer cells to kill them. And the BYTE therapy

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Speaker 11: has been used in small cell lung cancer. It just

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Speaker 11: got recently FDA approved, like a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 11: and this treatment has reduced small cell lung cancer extensive

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Speaker 11: stage or stage four mortality by forty percent, which is

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Speaker 11: quite impressive. But Oetz has this clinical trial with byte

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Speaker 11: therapy going on, even like several months prior to the

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Speaker 11: FD approval, through our clinical trials, our patients had access

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Speaker 11: to this bite therapy and now it's approved.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, at some point off the shelf, everybody's going

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02:14:40,600 --> 02:14:41,720
Speaker 2: to be able to get it. Some of these are

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Speaker 2: bespoke treatments that you create specific to the person. I've learned,

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Speaker 2: Like I said, my dream someday is pull it off

2481
02:14:48,760 --> 02:14:51,720
Speaker 2: the shelf and get your lung cancer or whatever other

2482
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Speaker 2: cancer cured. Doctor Paul, A real pleasure you're passing along

2483
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:57,440
Speaker 2: this wonderful information in spite of the death that typically

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Speaker 2: associated with lung cancer. Clearly some MASSI of improvements in

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Speaker 2: life expectancy brought to you by my friends at o

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Speaker 2: HC all