1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: This is the mark Man Show here on the Home 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: of the Penguins. UH one oh five nine. The X 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: got a lot of hockey talk today, which is to say, 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: absolutely no Steeler talk. 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: Well maybe a little to criticize. 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: Omar Khan said these Steelers need a AFC North type 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: of quarterback. What the frig does that even mean? Omar 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: Khan does not know what he's doing. The Steelers in 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: general do not know what they're doing. But back to hockey. 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: We got Pierre McGuire three point thirty to wrap up 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: the Olympics and more talk thereof at four o'cnck with 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's own Matt Bartkowski. Jack Hughes fired his helmet into 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: the crowd after he scored the golden goal for the USA. 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: I wonder who wound up with that that helmet heck 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: of a souvenir or if it just brains somebody. Uh, 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,319 Speaker 1: you should get a monster ovation when the Devils come 17 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: to PPG. For the Devils in Penguins game on Thursday, 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: good tickets are still available, I think, but if that 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: games sold out, it'll be because of Jack Hughes, who 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: should be the face of hockey. I wrote an article 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: about that for the trip that's up now at trib 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: live dot com, and I'm going to talk about it 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: at length later in the show. The Toronto Maple Leafs 24 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: aren't home until Saturday. We'll see how those dinks in 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: Toronto react to Matthews captaining the US to a gold 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: medal over Canada. That could be a rough one, which 27 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: is to say, really funny. It's one thing for the 28 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: Leafs to never win with Matthews as captain. It's another 29 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: thing for Matthews to captain the US when they beat 30 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: Canada again. I wanted Sid to win, and I'm sad 31 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: he didn't play, but all the bitching and moaning out 32 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: of Canada since has made me warm up to the 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: idea of what happened. 34 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: Let's talk now with Tommy Hockey. 35 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: Tom you heard my rant yesterday which will be expanded 36 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: today the jack you should be the face of hockey. 37 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: What's your take? 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense. He's 39 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: got a ton of momentum in that direction. Right now. 40 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: Forget about momentum. He went over one million followers on 41 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: Instagram today. He's only the third hockey player to get 42 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: that many followers. In there, you go that matters a 43 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: lot now, stuff like that, that's part of those metrics 44 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: on social media. 45 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: Absolutely, that matters, maybe the most. Now, that's part of 46 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: the momentum that you're seeing. It's a snowball rolling downhill 47 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: for him. So it's up to the league to capitalize that. 48 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: And everybody yesterday was getting it so wrong with you 49 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 3: when they were coming at you for saying he's not 50 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: the best player in the league. They were looking at 51 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: it through the wrong lens. 52 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: That don't matter because they because hockey in general and 53 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: most of the marksot there, they don't understand what the 54 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: right lens is. 55 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: The lens has changed. 56 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this might be a bit of a 57 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 3: tough example because I think people can nitpick this. But 58 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: would you say Patrick Mahomes is the face of the 59 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 3: NFL right now? He probably is, right, Josh Allen's the 60 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: best quarterback, the best player in the league, the absolute 61 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: pinnacle of the position, but he's not the face. And 62 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: maybe Mahomes was the best player at one point, but 63 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: it takes more than just being the number one guy. 64 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: It's part of it to be that great, but it's 65 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: not the only thing. 66 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: For a bit, Travis Kelsey was the face of nin 67 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: because of Taylor Swift. Yes, you know, and Jack Hughes 68 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: got the the dollar general version of Well, actually, I 69 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: think Tate mcgrae is much more attractive than Taylor Swift. 70 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 2: But agreed, But Taylor Swift and the Swift he's there, 71 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: They're everywhere. 72 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: I just don't feel like the NHL is smart enough 73 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: to jump on the moving train that is Jack Hughes. 74 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: The NHL has won by Canada, for Canada, bullied by Canadians, 75 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: and the last thing that the NHL is gonna want 76 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: as the face of the league is an American who 77 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: just beat Canada. Yeah. 78 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point. I mean, Canadians are even 79 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: picky when it comes to their own kind. As far 80 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: as being the face of the league, I mean tons 81 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: of resistance as far as Sidney Crosby being the face 82 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: of the league because he's Nova Scotian, He's not from 83 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: the right part of Canada. 84 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 85 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: But but they couldn't help it back then forced it 86 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: on them. You Well, no, sid Just like I said, 87 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: nobody picks the face of the league. It just happens, 88 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: and then you either capitalize on it or don't. Yeah, 89 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: it's a good point. 90 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: As much of a runaway train. 91 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: The Jack Who's whoses now Sidney Crosby even more so 92 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: back then, and even though Pittsburgh's not a huge market, 93 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: he was in the right time zone in the East, 94 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: and he played for the Lemieuxe team and he had 95 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: ob as a bond villain type of foil. 96 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 97 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a lot more going in sid savor 98 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 3: to become the face of the league. And then he 99 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 3: capitalized on it. 100 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 2: And he got a Golden goal too. 101 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: Yep, very good. That was part here. He had a 102 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: Stanley Cup before that Golden goal though, so that was 103 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: a little bit. You know, he was already kind of 104 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 3: on that path, but it absolutely helps him with Jack Hughes. 105 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 3: Though the league right now is at a desperate point 106 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: where a thirty eight year old Sidney Crosby is still 107 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: probably mostly identified as the face. 108 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: Oh, he's absolutely the face of the league because McDavid 109 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: and McKinnon don't have an oncet charisma between them. They're 110 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: in the wrong time zone, they're with the wrong teams, 111 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: they're just wrong everything. 112 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: McDavid won't win either. I mean, that's the crucial part 113 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: of this. 114 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: Now. It's a part of it, but it's not everything 115 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: I think you need to win. 116 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I mean, Jack Hughes ain't going 117 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: to be in the playoffs this year, probably, but if 118 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: the NHL still plays it right, that won't matter because 119 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: he won what matters. 120 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: Most gold medal is different and I know for America, Yeah, 121 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 3: so I think that that equates to being a winner. 122 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: And part of that equation for him, where McDavid just 123 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 3: a silver medalist here and runner up there. 124 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: Uses like a point per game guy. 125 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: In fact, he's exactly that this year, had ninety nine 126 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: points a few years back. He's with a boring franchise 127 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: that's never had a superstar forward. But it's kind of 128 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: New York Newark close enough, and like I said, Tate McCrae, 129 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: that is an entree for non hockey fans to want 130 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: to watch hockey. And you know, the thing with Sid 131 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: still being the face of the league at thirty eight, 132 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: it's again I don't begrudge Sid, far from it, but 133 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: any league that has a guy that deep into his 134 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: career that's still the face of the league isn't developing stars. 135 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: And that's the big issue here. 136 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 1: I want to talk a bit too about something Edzo said. 137 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Edzo didn't like three on three overtime in the Olympics, 138 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: and I get it, and I'm certainly an Edzo guy. 139 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: But here's my problem with the NHL old guard. Tjoshi 140 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: spoke out against three on three overtime at the Olympics. 141 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: But he's an ass and ed is Edzo. He's a 142 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: great guy and a great hockey man. 143 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: Even when something works, the oldie moldis and hockey don't 144 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: like it even when it works. There were four overtime 145 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: goals in the playoffs at the Olympics, and every one 146 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: of them was a great, memorable goal, mega exciting, including 147 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: both gold medal games, both golden goals. It got done 148 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: fast and great. How can you not like it after 149 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: it's so very visibly worked. It's entertaining. It's like again 150 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: getting back to Jack Hughes with the old guard. He 151 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: should be the face of the NHL. 152 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: Period. He hasn't earned it. Oh he's too young, well 153 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: young cells And to repeat, you don't earn it. It 154 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: just happens. Tom, What do you think what Edzo said? 155 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: You're an Edzo guy too, I know, but hockey is 156 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: its own worst enemy. I can see why you don't 157 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: want three on three. I really can't, and before this 158 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: I didn't really either, And I think it sucks in 159 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: the NHL because the guys who play it aren't all 160 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, that caliber player like at the Olympics. 161 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: But whatever works is whatever works, and I like to 162 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: see three on three in the Stanley Cup playoffs. 163 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: You'd go that far, including the final. In the Stanley 164 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: Cup Final, see where I had just landed on it was. 165 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: It was a rule that was set out well in 166 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: advanced everybody knew that they were playing under it, So 167 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: it's just hard for me to see after. 168 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: It's one thing to bitch about it because you feel like, 169 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: like Cooper, it's not really hockey stupid, which implies we 170 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: didn't really lose. But this is about whether or not 171 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: people liked it, whether or not it worked, and people 172 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: liked it, and it worked. 173 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: And it's I think because the skill has to do 174 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: with it, of course, but because they played the style 175 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: that it's supposed to be, it's not supposed to be 176 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: boring and. 177 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: Real sad the way back in languid fashion. When they 178 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: did circle out to get a change, they made the 179 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: change quick. 180 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: And went right back on the attack. 181 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: And I can describe in detail all four overtime goals 182 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: in the Olympics, whether it was Kellers to win the 183 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: women's game, or Marner for Canada, or quin Us for 184 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: the US or jack Us for the US. I could 185 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: describe you in detail how each of those goals occurred. 186 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: And Tom, I gotta be real honest here. For me 187 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: to remember a women's goal, it must have been one 188 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: hell of a goal. I don't remember one moment from 189 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: the entire NHL season, all year leading up till now, 190 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: five ninety. 191 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 3: X running for the Pirates. 192 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: In your exhibition game today. 193 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: He could did a home run every at bat in 194 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: the Great Brute League. He could hit a ball over 195 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: the right field roof and Forbes Field before training camps 196 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: over like Babe Ruth did. 197 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: He's still starting the season in Triple A. 198 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: And that shows a definite lack of ambition and willingness 199 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: to take risk. 200 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: On the part of the Pirates. 201 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: And when you've been as bad as they have for 202 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: as long as they have, you should be taking risk. 203 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: If we're just turning in. 204 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: The Penguins made a trade Brett Kulak, the defenseman, to 205 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: Colorado for Samuel Gerard, another defenseman, and a second round pick. 206 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: I like the trade from the Penguins standpoint, But John 207 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: Butcher Groz made a good point on Twitter when he 208 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: said this helps Colorado because Qulac is more of a 209 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: playoff defense. But that said, Gerard's played playoff games with Colorado. 210 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: But I see where Boochie's coming from with Kulak having 211 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: been on Edmonton in their trips to the last two 212 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: Stanley Cup finals. Uh, sometimes the trade helps both teams. 213 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: This could be one of those. Also, I got to 214 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: get another shot in at all the geeks who were 215 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: talking and writing about the NFL Combine. 216 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: The NFL combine. 217 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: Is only there to get idiots talking about it all 218 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: the time. They know everything they need to know about 219 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: these players. But the vertical leap and the dashes, which 220 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the great players, the better players, the 221 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: topics do not take part in. That gives people talking. 222 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: It's the NFL trying to get everybody to talk about 223 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: them twenty four to seven, three sixty five. But everything 224 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:37,239 Speaker 1: going on and being said at that combine is absolutely meaningless. 225 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: Horseman or what matters is we got new Jersey in 226 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: Ton on Thursday, the first game back for the Penguins 227 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: resuming NHL play the Devil's host Buffalo the night before. 228 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: That's an edge for the Penguins, but they probably won't 229 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: have Sid. Penguins are five points safe in a playoff, 230 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: berth games in hand or even in games with every 231 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: team involved, every team they're battling. 232 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: So it don't look bad. Let's say Sid's out a 233 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 2: couple of weeks. 234 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: You got six games or seven games, four home games 235 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: among the first six. One real tough opponent, Vegas, and 236 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: that's here in Pittsburgh. Otherwise it's New Jersey, the Rangers, Boston, Buffalo, 237 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: and Philly. New Jersey, the Rangers, Philly out of it. 238 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: Buffalo and Boston part of the battle. But in the 239 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: Atlantic Division, I think if Sid's out, you got to 240 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: get six points out of those six games, three and three, two, 241 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: two and two whatever. If that's how long Sid is out, 242 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: I'm guessing, of course. And while Sidzy you got to 243 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: ride the energy of the kids, Avery, hazes Up, Gino 244 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: and Kendall got to come back rested, ready and productive, Cheinahkoff, 245 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: gotta keep going, Tighten up a bit on defense and 246 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: in goal. If Sid's out longer, then it becomes a 247 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: different story, but a couple of Week six or seven 248 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: games that can be navigated. Tom, what was your take 249 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: on the trade? Boochie makes a good point about the 250 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: benefit to Colorado, but I still like it from the 251 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: Penguins side of the. 252 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: Street, Yeah, I did too, you know, knee jerk reactions. 253 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: Seeing Kulak was traded. I was like, Oh, that's interesting 254 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 3: because I thought he's playing very well and. 255 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: Partnered with good and Tanger's really picky about his partners. 256 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: That that's still the one thing I don't like about 257 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: this deal. 258 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 3: But then you know, after just like a brief you know, 259 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: search of Girard, it's clear that this is a very 260 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 3: good trade for the Penguins. You get younger there seems 261 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: like maybe Kulak's a little bit more polished as far 262 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,599 Speaker 3: as the defensive defenseman is concerned, and Gerard's not, you know, 263 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: a point getter, but he is productive more so than 264 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 3: Kulak has been. And like I said, he's played on 265 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: the Avs as a regular for nine years, so there's 266 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: a track record of being in the NHL. And then 267 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: you throw the second round pick on top of everything, 268 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 3: Like if it was just Kulak for Girard, straight up, 269 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 3: I think I might talk myself into that being good 270 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: for the Penguins. 271 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Second, Jo, we said the same thing in 272 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: me too. 273 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. So the second round pick on top is just 274 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 3: you kind of made the Avs overpay, and right, who's 275 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: going to help them a lot? But they overpaid for him, 276 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: there's no doubt about it, and that's great for the Penguins. 277 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: Well, you overpay when you're a team that can win 278 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: a Stanley Cup, and not least when you're in that 279 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: crazy division true where every series is just going to 280 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: be a battle, especially if you don't finish first. I 281 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: spoke a moment ago about how the Penguins what they 282 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: have to do to survive if Sid is out for 283 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. I think beating New Jersey right 284 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: away on Thursday would be huge. The Devils are twelve 285 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: points behind the Penguins, so I don't think they're going 286 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: to make a run at a playoff Berth, but put 287 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: him down. Make sure they don't get any delusions of 288 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: grandeur by coming here and beating you and pulling that 289 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: much closer. Tom, do you think Jack Hughes will have 290 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: an Olympic hangover as well as a literal hangover? 291 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw a video like they were all at 292 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 3: eleven done in Miami last night. So they're still partying. 293 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: And a lot of those guys, including Jack Hughes, has 294 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 3: to play tomorrow night. I wonder if he's even gonna 295 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 3: play in that game tomorrow. For the well, winning a 296 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: gold medal is like once in a life. I agreeing. 297 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: I don't blame for partying in Florida. I don't blame 298 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: them for uh well, I mean. 299 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to debate the state of the Union thing, 300 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: but teams always go to be honored, yeah, by the president. 301 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm just worried about what might be said by the 302 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: president with those guys in the building. But still I 303 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: don't blame them at all in the in the and 304 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: I don't blame the women for not going. People have 305 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: their own reasons for doing things. I just I just 306 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: think that it's a shame that that them doing that 307 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: has been connected by the usual suspects and and you know, 308 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: ruined in some ways them winning, at least on Twitter, 309 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: it's certainly ruined. 310 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: But I'll talk a bit more about that later. Not 311 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: a lot, you know. 312 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: An interesting case with the Penguins after the Olympics is 313 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: Eric Carlson. This has been his best year as a 314 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: Penguin by far, after two pretty bad ones. Was Carlson 315 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: sharp up till now just to prepare for the Olympics? 316 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: And will he go in the tank now that the 317 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: Olympics are over? I don't know if he'll go in 318 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: the tank. Maybe next year. He's not as sharp as. 319 00:14:59,320 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: He might think. 320 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: Probably not, but I think it's a reasonable there's a 321 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: chance to wonder about. There's a chance for sure. I 322 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: also think carl just didn't like playing for Sally. 323 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 3: I think there was a bit of an element to 324 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 3: that to why he's having such a good year this year. 325 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 3: The Sweden thing is certainly a factor, but I think 326 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: he's just more comfortable right now in the system that 327 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: he's playing in and playing under Muse. I just don't 328 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 3: think he'd go right into the tank With the Penguins 329 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 3: in second place in the Metro, in a serious shot 330 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 3: at the playoffs here and a chance to play in 331 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: the playoffs with this new team. 332 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: Do you like Riquel at center with sid out? It 333 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: keeps other lines together, That's how they've been practicing. If 334 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: mus is if Muse chooses to do that Thursday, do 335 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: you like it. 336 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I really do. And do you think that there 337 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 3: is a chance that the second line, quote unquote, the Novak, 338 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: Chinnikoff and Malcolm line as terms of ice time becomes 339 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 3: kind of the first line over these next couple lins. 340 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: I think I think the top six, the top two 341 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: lines to share it generally, you know, get the same 342 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: amount ice time anyway. So I mean maybe when Sid's 343 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: at center, maybe that first plane gets a smidge more, but. 344 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: Not that much. 345 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 3: But that second line is what I'm looking at, regardless 346 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: of putting up a lot of production. Now, I'm not 347 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: to say that Raquel centering Avery Hayes and Rust can't 348 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: score and cannot points, but I think that Chinnikov and 349 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: Malkin connection was so great going into the break. I 350 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 3: need to see that continue here. 351 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: Somebody close to the Penguin said, because they had heard 352 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: us talk about Kindle on the first line between Rust 353 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: and Raquel, they said, that's not a good idea because 354 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: then you're saying to Kendall sids out, you got to 355 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: take his place, and that. 356 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: You don't want to do that to an eighteen year old. 357 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: I see that side. 358 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: I can too. I wasn't thinking about it from that side, though, 359 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 3: I was thinking about it from the side of let's 360 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: take Kendall out for a test drive, right, like, let's 361 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: see how this looks the top. 362 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: Well, eighteen year olds tend to think too much or 363 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: not think at all. He could think that way. I 364 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: think I think Kendle probably thinks too much. And I 365 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: totally get keeping Malka with Gina Kough. But again, I'd 366 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: kind of like to see Kindle with Rust and Riquel. 367 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: But I do understand the reasoning. 368 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: I like him between the big boys too, Browsers and Maantha. 369 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: Nice little protection out there for him. 370 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: Gives him some room to operate. 371 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: Uh. Now, the Tang's back, who was hurt before the break. 372 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: Letangan calls them both in the lineup are big? I 373 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: think that's a steadying influence as long as Sid is out. 374 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 3: You know, when Gino got hurt for that stretch, the 375 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 3: penguins just went right into the tank and they were 376 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 3: able to bounce back, thank god. After that big loosing streak. 377 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 3: With the Tang going out, there was a noticeable dip 378 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: in play as well, but I think they weathered it 379 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 3: a lot better and they just got a huge break. 380 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 3: Not to say it this way, but a huge break 381 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: when the timing of his injury happened, going into the 382 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 3: Olympic break and having two weeks of no NHL hockey 383 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: for him to rest up. Because you're right, like, long term, 384 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 3: no La Tang, long term, no Sid long term, no Carlson, 385 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 3: those kind of players, it's just not survivable for this 386 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 3: team there. Even though they're in second place and as 387 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 3: comfortable as you illustrated, Mark, it's still kind of hanging 388 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: on by a thin edge right now. 389 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: Know would I still keep wondering if they were even 390 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: average at shootouts? 391 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, how comfortable would be? 392 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 2: Where they would be? 393 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: The first hour of today's show has always brought to 394 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: us by our good friends at Shenderovid, Shendorovitch and Fishmen. 395 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: They got your back, not your wallet. We got Pierre 396 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: Maguire wrapping up Olympic hockey. We got Matt Barkowski doing 397 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: the same at four o'clock, and then a very special 398 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: guest at four thirty joining us to talk about his 399 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: teammate who just passed away, Bill Mazeroski. It's going to 400 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: be an all time bucco. Great Steve Blass, here's a 401 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: football development the UFL. The minor pro league. They're going 402 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: to give four points for any field goal of sixty. 403 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: Yards or more. That's dumb. 404 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: You are giving extra points for being further away from 405 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: the goal line. It's as dumb as the three pointer 406 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: is in basketball if you really look at it. Every 407 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: game simulates war advancing into territory. War does not give 408 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: a bonus for going backwards. I think the Germans proved 409 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: that at Stalingrad and uh In this situation, teams will 410 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: intentionally take a three or four yard loss to make 411 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: a fifty six yard field goal worth three points into 412 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: a sixty yard art field goal worth four points, and 413 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett will be the guy taking the knee in 414 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: the UFL at some point in the near future to 415 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: lose those yards and then he'll be holding for the 416 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: field goal. 417 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 2: X It's the Woody Show. You can stream the X 418 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 2: and US The Woody Show on the free iHeartRadio app 419 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: weekday mornings and six one, five nine X. 420 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 3: We're adding another show to the x's concert calendar, breaking. 421 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: On X. 422 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: I said a moment ago that the NFL combine is 423 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: designed to get the media stooges, and of course you're 424 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: the fan talking about football at a time when it's 425 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: illogical to talk about football. How the teams already know 426 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: everything about these players who are at the combine. There's 427 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: no need to have them there doing what they're doing, 428 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: except there is. They want to show the players whose boss. 429 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: They want to get them out there for something that's 430 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: done and matters very little, and get them parading around 431 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: in their underwear like their cattle. That's another purpose of 432 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: the combine, getting back to something that matters right now, 433 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: which is hockey, because it's hockey season. We talked about 434 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: the trader earlier, Kulak to Edmonton for Girard, a defenseman 435 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 1: and a second round pick, and how Dubas has turned 436 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: getting rid of Tristan Jari and his entire salary into 437 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: Stuart Skinner, Girard, and a couple of second round picks. 438 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: How Dubas has thirty four picks over the next four 439 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: NHL drafts, and in the next three drafts has three 440 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: first round picks, seven second round picks, and six third 441 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: round picks. But wait, there's more. He has for eight 442 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: million cap space opens up after this season, he'll have 443 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: forty eight million and all those draft picks to wheel 444 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: and deal with. We talk about the con artist. The 445 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: con arst does a Bean Connor. He has no clue 446 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's not a football guy, and he 447 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: proves it time and again. The Steelers prove it time 448 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: and again. Read my column in The Trib last week 449 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: trip live dot com about the six grievous mistakes the 450 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: Steelers have made since twenty nineteen. Dubis, unlike the Steelers, Dubas, 451 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: unlike Kahn, has a plan and it's coming together. I 452 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: said a while back, and I say again now. The 453 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: Penguins will be legitimate contenders again, long before the Steelers are, 454 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: Long before the Steelers are. But I want to get 455 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: to Bucco Baseball because things are on the uptick there 456 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: at least a bit. Bubba Chandler, as we said yesterday 457 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: as it was occurring, wasn't very good in the Pirates exhibition. 458 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: Four walks in the second, four earned runs. As a result, 459 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: control has always been his waterloo. 460 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: But that's what they said about Abbah. 461 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: Spring training often doesn't mean much, but this one does 462 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: for the Pirates, and it does for guys like Bubba Chandler. 463 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: He's only pitched thirty one big league innings. That was 464 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: last year and he walked fourteen in one hundred Triple 465 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: A innings. Last year he walked fifty three. People are 466 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: kint on Chandler to be a short thing in that rotation. 467 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: I don't think he is not as a number two 468 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: or number three starter. I mean I definitely have him 469 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: in the rotation. Another educated risk like they won't take 470 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: with Cotter Griffin, probably not even after two home runs 471 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: in the Bucko Spring training game today. But stuff like 472 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about the faith being shown in Chandler when 473 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: he's not a sure thing. That's why I see the 474 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: Pirates as a seventy seven win team and it's very 475 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: unlikely they'll be better. I don't trust the rotation. I 476 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: don't trust Triolo, Gonzalez and Davis at the bottom. 477 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: Of the lineup. 478 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: Is this team to be better? Yeah, it's going to 479 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: be better. I'm just not sure how much better. Interesting 480 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: observation by Kurt Schilling, the guy who should be in 481 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame except for his politics. Shilling said 482 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: the Chandler is a max effort guy, and that ain't 483 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: always good. That he's always trying to throw one hundred 484 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: miles per hour instead of working on his craft, and 485 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: that that could lead to injury and underachieving. Uh. 486 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if that's true, but I'm not sure 487 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 2: that it's not. 488 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 3: Tom Uh. 489 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 2: Do we take Chandler and him excelling? Do we take 490 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: that for granted, like as a number two or three starter? 491 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: Are we assuming too much? 492 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 3: Yes, we do take that for granted. I don't know 493 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 3: if we're assuming too much, because I think his ceiling 494 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 3: does dictate that of being, you know, a number two, 495 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 3: maybe an ace and a different rotation that doesn't feature 496 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 3: Paul Skeens. 497 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: He is the prospect acting like he's robbing to Skene's 498 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: as batman level, and he might be more like Commissioner 499 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: Gordon Ya. 500 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: Skeins is fool proof, is a once in a generation. 501 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 3: And I know that people use that term way too 502 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 3: much and over apply it, but it does apply to 503 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 3: Paul Skins. Bubba. Chandler's just a very good prospect and 504 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: he still is a prospect that people are absolutely treating 505 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 3: like a sure thing. I'm enthusiastic, of course, his stuff's ridiculous. 506 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 3: He threw one oh one in the game yesterday. Now 507 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 3: he almost hit the popcorn vendor. He looked like Rick 508 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: Vaughan out there. Before the glasses when he threw that 509 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 3: one hundred and one pitch. 510 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: But Kim Robin is a Bulldoorum, I want you to 511 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: throw the next one at the mascot. Yeah. 512 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 2: Basically, Shilling said that he overthrows base. 513 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 3: Well that's what I was going with with that one 514 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 3: oh one, because that looked like overthrowing right there. It 515 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 3: looked like I'm just gonna try to gas this as 516 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 3: much as I can and I hope it finds anywhere 517 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: close to the plate. And it didn't. I could definitely 518 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 3: see that happening. I think that happens to a lot 519 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 3: of pitchers these days that aren't Paul Skeins, Like I 520 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 3: have faith that Skeins won't blow his elbow out. He 521 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 3: probably will because they all do, but I'll do. But 522 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: he's such a big frame guy that it makes sense 523 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 3: that he could ramp up that fast. Oh, Chandler's not 524 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 3: a huge guy, and Jared Jones too, and he already 525 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 3: did blow his arm out. And those guys try to 526 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 3: touch a hundred, I mean, your body just might not 527 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: be able to do it as much. 528 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: When I hear people predicting a playoff berth or even 529 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: predicting five hundred. That presumes a lot of best case scenarios, 530 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: like what if Cruise hits two hundred like Cruise did 531 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: last year? 532 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 3: No doubt, despite them going out and making really good 533 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 3: signings this year and committing more money, it still needs 534 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 3: to have like a perfect storm almost to happen for 535 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: them to make the playoffs. They need the pitching rotation 536 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 3: to be nails till everybody died in the perfect storm. 537 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 3: That's probably a bad analogy. Why do people use that 538 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 3: then as an analogy? It's to say like everything has 539 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 3: to go right. That's a good point. Everything to not 540 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 3: go right at the end they're all dead. Everything does 541 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 3: not go right. Wahlberg just floats away, swims out of 542 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 3: the boat, which is prolonging his death. The worst way 543 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 3: to die then for the quick death there, I'm not 544 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: gonna float in the ocean. Cloney just slides right back. 545 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 3: Remember he kind of pulls the old rope adope on Wahlberg. 546 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 2: And getting back to Bubba Chandler. 547 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: If Chandler is twenty three and has control problems, still, 548 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: do we know that it's ever going to clear up? No, 549 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: we don't, And don't get me wrong, those control problems 550 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: aren't grievous, but there they're they're annoying, and they tend 551 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: to bunch up, like like four walks in two thirds 552 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: of an ending yesterday. 553 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think that there is any you know, 554 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 3: way we could feel comfortable that he is getting through 555 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: that or working through that. And you're right, there's no 556 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 3: guarantee that he's not just a wild pitcher and erratic 557 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 3: picture for the rest of his career. That's tough to 558 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: do to all of a sudden become a very controlled 559 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 3: picture and start painting on the black of that plate. 560 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: You know what. 561 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: Else, Those predicting a playoff birth don't don't take into 562 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: a cop a wild card whatever, you know, the division 563 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: whatever they're predicting based on nobody getting hurt. And maybe 564 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: nobody will, but if somebody does. Among the guys that 565 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: comp most the pirates have zero depth, I mean zero depth. 566 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 2: They have like one bat outside the top six, like 567 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 2: that Mangnum guy who's only been in the bigs for 568 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 2: one year. He was a twenty seven year old rookie 569 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 2: last year. There's zero depth. 570 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 3: Zero depth. Yeah, they would have to call into Triple 571 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 3: A a lot bring up guys like the you know, 572 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: the nick Yorks and the Billy of the world and 573 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 3: get them on the bus to Pittsburgh if they have 574 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 3: an injury happen and the other thing. And I love 575 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 3: Azuna coming here to Pittsburgh. I think that's a good move, 576 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: and I prefer taking that gamble at him at DH. 577 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 3: But I do see the criticism of it where you 578 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 3: can't now have the DH pass around the team, you 579 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 3: know what I mean, keep guys a little bit more fresh. 580 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, using the DH is like a utility rule almost. Yeah, 581 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: I mean I do like that they go to Ozuna. 582 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: I saw he said, like the pirate fanboy. Media is 583 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: embracing Ozuna said, well, I was banged up last year. 584 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: I expect I'll do better this year. Of course, when's 585 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: the last time a guy joined the team and said, 586 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think I'm about at the end of 587 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: the line. 588 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: That would be so great. They probably made a mistake 589 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: signing me. 590 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: One thing I want to say, and I pet myself 591 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: on the back of Tom a lot, but you'd agree 592 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: it's well deserved. 593 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: Every time I know a ton. 594 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: About baseball, I do. I just hate what the powers 595 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: is done to it. But I know almost as much 596 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: about baseball as I do about hockey, and I care 597 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: about baseball. I love the Pirates more than any team, 598 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: even more than the Penguins for a bit when I 599 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: was a kid, and they ruined it. And if they 600 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: stop ruining it, I'll get back. Not to the fanboy 601 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: level of those who covered for the local media outlets, 602 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: but but I do like some of what's going on. 603 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm just not sure they've done enough. Tom some sad 604 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: news to report. We have somebody die like every day 605 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: that is kind of a hero of the show, in 606 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: this case Robert Carradine, who played Lewis Skolnick, the head 607 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: nerd in the Revenge of the Nerds franchise. That was 608 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: a groundbreaking movie, Tom like. It examined nerd culture. I'm 609 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: not sure if it made nerds cool, but it shined 610 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: a better light on them. And I think some movies 611 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: are more sociologically significant than we give them credit for 612 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: when they're out. But that one was, however, slapsticky. 613 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 3: And no, I think it definitely. I don't want to 614 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 3: say it made being a nerd cool, but it almost did. 615 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 3: I mean, you rooted for those nerds, they were the 616 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: cool guys in the context of that movie. 617 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: Not. 618 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: You know, in the actual movie Universe itself, they were 619 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: still nerds, but you watching the film were rooting for them. 620 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 3: They were the protagonists, although they did some pretty shady 621 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 3: things too. Not gonna lie. 622 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: It made you feel like I had a shot at 623 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: Betty Childs if you were, I'll tell you that. 624 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 2: One oh five nine the. 625 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 3: X Thursday Night, the Pens take on the Devils. Game 626 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 3: time is seven. Our coverage starts at six here every 627 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 3: game and the best coverage right here on your home 628 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 3: of the Pens one oh five nine. 629 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 2: D X. 630 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 3: From the one oh five nine the ex Weather Center. 631 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 3: This report is small nine d X. 632 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: I talked about how Jack you should be the face 633 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: of the league. I were a column about it for 634 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: trip live dot com and I put out there on 635 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: Twitter and people say, well, he's never been a top 636 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: ten score. You don't get popularity in America in twenty 637 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: twenty six. You don't get popular by having numbers people 638 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: can crunch. You get popular by being Jack Hughes and 639 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: doing what Jack Hughes did Sunday and talking like he 640 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: talked afterward and the broken tooth. So many people just 641 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: look at numbers and they don't lie, and they spell 642 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: disaster for you. It's sacrifice. But don't be dumb. 643 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: Listen to me. I'm always right. 644 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna cite a few more examples of that in 645 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: a moment, Tom, I'll get to it right now. I'm 646 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: right all the time, I was right. My most notable 647 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: example lately is I said, don't give what that extension 648 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: franchise him as needed. So it was suggested, so it 649 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: did not come to pass. And that's to the Steeler detriment, 650 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: because what is fading like a xerox. 651 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: Of a xerox of a xerox of a xerox. But 652 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: boy was I right about Kyle Dubas. 653 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: Look at the assets, the draft picks he stockpiled, the 654 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: cap space he's opened up, and how much better the 655 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: team is right now? 656 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: My god, I am. I am a super genius. 657 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: And then some I'm gonna have my IQ retested to 658 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: see if it quite possible has gone up this hour 659 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: the show brought to us by Shandoroviad Shandrovitch and Fisherman Tom, 660 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: what do we have for today's trifecta? 661 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 3: For today's trifecta? Since Team USA had the slight upset 662 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 3: over Team Canada in the gold Medal game. I've got where. 663 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 2: Would you rank that on the upset scale one. 664 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: To ten, like a four or five something like that. Yeah, 665 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 3: it was an upset though, like Canada was a better 666 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: team than Team USA. I think so without said it's closer, 667 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 3: of course. 668 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean injuries happened. 669 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 3: But go ahead, all right, So I got my biggest 670 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 3: American pulled upsets in movies. Number three, I'm gonna go 671 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 3: with beating the Aliens and Independence Day and that saved 672 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: the entire world without us set Without us, the world is. 673 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: Dead, big upset, and we beat him to It was 674 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: like War the World where Mother Nature beat him with 675 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: whatever virus felled the Aliens that we just flat up 676 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: beat him, and the US led the way. 677 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 3: Exactly, And it wasn't like the world's came together. 678 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: It was the world victory, but the US led the West. 679 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 3: I mean, we had a crop farmer at Randy Quaid 680 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: be the one that initially figured out that you just 681 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: ram them at their own weapon and it explodes the 682 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 3: entire ship. Yet our president leading the troops, he had 683 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 3: gold Bloom, the lead scientist Will Smith going into space. 684 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: And the Aliens despite having technology and knowledge that far 685 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: superseded ours somehow didn't figure out after Randy Quaid flew 686 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: right up the death ray, so they should just close 687 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: the hole. 688 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 3: For the although they did, to be fair, to seal 689 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 3: that plot hole, they uploaded the virus and the mothership 690 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 3: at that point gold Bloom and will Smith, which kind 691 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 3: of killed everybody else. 692 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 2: Well, no, no, right, but the virus wasn't going to 693 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: keep the defenses down forever. 694 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 3: That's true, they needed to strike. But here's a plot 695 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 3: hole too. 696 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: And like I said, if they just closed the death 697 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: ray door and nobody can fly up it. And plus 698 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure every you know, squadron of planes attacking 699 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,479 Speaker 1: the Aliens had a guy willing to fly up. 700 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 3: They definitely shot missiles. That was definitely the way. Yeah, 701 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 3: that was I mean, they were out of missiles there. 702 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't a real safe, you know thing for the 703 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: pilots at any point in any of the situations around 704 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: the world. 705 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: Here's another thing though, too. 706 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: The mothership powered all the satellite ships, right, Yes, the 707 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,959 Speaker 1: minute gold Bloom and will Smith blew up the mother Shift, 708 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: the satellite ship should have just come to scrashing because 709 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: they were out of power. 710 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, instead of you know, the general being like, we 711 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 3: know how to beat the bastards now, and they run 712 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 3: to the Morse code. Remember they're tapping around the way. 713 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 2: Who then went onto a life of organized crime. 714 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 3: In the Sopranos, number two, it's got to be Rocky 715 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 3: beating Drago and Rocky four. Huge American upset and a 716 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 3: crucial one as far as ending the Cold War in 717 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 3: a fictional universe. 718 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: You know what I always think about from that movie. 719 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: You know, James Brown performed Living in America to Usher 720 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: Apollo to the Ring, Yes, you gonna Paula got killed? 721 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 2: Yes? 722 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: Do you think the newspaper still like reviewed James Brown's performance? 723 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: Do you think like backstage he was like, how'd you 724 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: think we did? 725 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 3: Because like in that context, like it's the biggest star 726 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 3: in the world right there doing the intro to the 727 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 3: people are tuning in just to see James Brown more 728 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 3: than they are maybe the fight. So yeah, the. 729 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: Headline was probably Creed dies ron Good. 730 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 3: Number one though, has to be Team USA beating Team 731 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 3: Germany and beer Fest. That might be the biggest upset 732 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 3: just all time period reality and fiction. It might be 733 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 3: bigger than the mere claw on ice there. I say 734 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 3: we shouldn't forget though. 735 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: Germany won the initial drink off and then they went 736 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: double or quick they. 737 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 3: Went double or nothing. 738 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 2: Right. 739 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 3: That's a good point, although dirty play from the Germans 740 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 3: because she revealed the partner that she killed landfill in 741 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 3: the vat of beer. 742 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think anything goes in beer Fest? 743 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 3: Do you think so? Do you? Yeah? But it's just 744 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 3: such a huge upset, especially coming on the heels of Germany. 745 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 3: They've won so many in a row. They just beat 746 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 3: the Irish the year before, so they're pretty good at drinking. 747 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. We just beat the Irish. 748 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: The trifecta brought to us by Danny's Peats and Hogies 749 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: family owned and operated since nineteen sixty, Route eighty eight 750 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 1: and Bethel Park. Tom there's gonna be a third super 751 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: Troopers come out. Yes, I'm glad the second one was 752 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: not as good. It couldn't be, but it was pretty good. 753 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: Are you surprised there's not been a sequel to beer Fest? 754 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? I am surprised. And not Potfest, right, you know 755 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,720 Speaker 3: the joke at the end when they saw Willie Nelson 756 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 3: like not make that, I have no need to see 757 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 3: pot I think beer Fest two definitely could have happened. 758 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 3: I'm surprised it hasn't. I'm glad they're doing the super 759 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 3: Troopers sequels though for the second one with super Troopers, 760 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 3: if you were a fan of the first one, you 761 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 3: liked the second one. It wasn't the classic movie like 762 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 3: the first one was. But how could you not have 763 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 3: fun in that one if you're a fan of the 764 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 3: first one. 765 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: I think that the who what was the character's name? 766 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: The girl from Entourage. 767 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 3: That was a big player, Emanuel Shrieks her actress, actress. 768 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 2: Creaky or whatever. 769 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 3: I can't remember what her name was in super Troopers too. 770 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 2: What was her name in Entourage? 771 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 3: That's what I I can't remember that either. The Ease 772 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 3: girl though. 773 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 2: Right right right? You know who I loved in the 774 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 2: in a really brief role. 775 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: And I'm normally not a fan because the only plays himself, 776 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: Paul Walder Hawser was Lonnie La Lush. 777 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 3: He's like the Farva for Canada. 778 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: That's my mom. Don't wear it out one oh five 779 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: ninety X. Listen to the X