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Speaker 1: A lot of Thanksgiving Day is about family, food, and

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Speaker 1: most importantly football. Our beloved Bengals look to roast the

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Speaker 1: rival Ravens in an AFC North Turkey tussle.

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Speaker 2: That reminds me I thought you should know.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoy a delicious slice of pumpkin pie with

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Speaker 1: whipped cream. It's Cincinnati versus Baltimore. Evertz begins at four

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Speaker 1: pm tomorrow, stream for free on the new and improved

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app or ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, And.

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Speaker 3: Away we go. It's the mo Egger Show right here

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Speaker 3: on Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm not Mowagger, Chad Brendle

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Speaker 3: filling in today, taking you into Thanksgiving tomorrow. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for choosing me appreciate it, especially on a uh bit

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Speaker 3: of a gloomy Wednesday before Thanksgiving. You head it out tonight.

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Speaker 3: Do you still do the uh the Turkey day the

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Speaker 3: night before go out and drink with all the old

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Speaker 3: high school buddies. I don't not surprising.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 3: Tara and I tend not to go out on nights

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Speaker 3: that everybody.

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Speaker 4: Else goes out. Yeah, don't, at least the trouble.

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Speaker 3: I'm good. Like you want to go see a band

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Speaker 3: play somewhere. You want to like a low key night out, awesome.

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Speaker 3: You want to go out in the crowded bar where

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Speaker 3: where everybody's elbow to elbow. That's not my thing anymore.

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Speaker 3: I had I'd look, I had my glory days. I

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Speaker 3: made them, most of them. They are also behind me now,

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Speaker 3: Eye Terran, I've got to remind myself because I can.

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Speaker 3: I can already foresee a problem tonight, Tarran with jeez.

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Speaker 3: Usually when I get done here, I just drive straight home.

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Speaker 3: When I get done here. Tonight at five point thirty, Uh,

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Speaker 3: I've got to go to UC for the UC Eastern

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Speaker 3: Michigan basketball game, and I'm going to have to remind

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Speaker 3: the taft exit and go to the game and not

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Speaker 3: drive home because sometimes I get on an autopilot. Give

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Speaker 3: me a challenge. I'm just afraid I'm gonna be like

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Speaker 3: going across the four seventy one bridge.

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Speaker 4: Like damn it, the only about West.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it happens every press games, postgame press conference anyway, right,

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Speaker 3: do you laugh when that happens a little chuckle.

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Speaker 4: Glad somebody gets a kick out of it.

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Speaker 5: We'll make sure you get there because you don't want

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Speaker 5: to be like someone we talked about earlier.

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean, look, I go to more than

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Speaker 3: one out of every five six games. I'm at every game. AnyWho? AnyWho?

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Speaker 3: We had a lot to get to today. Bengals Ravens

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Speaker 3: tomorrow night. Will it be the nail in the coffin

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Speaker 3: essentially mathematically eliminating Cincinnati from the playoffs. Is there a

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow run left in him to get this team back?

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Speaker 3: In contention? Baltimore Buffalo Baltimore. I find it hard to

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Speaker 3: believe they go three and zero in those games, But

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Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of consternation over Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: Should he play? Should he not play? And I get it. Initially,

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Speaker 3: like my initial reaction to this was why Flacco's playing?

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Speaker 4: Fine?

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Speaker 3: What is gained from Joe Burrow coming back in a

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Speaker 3: season where it's all but inevitable that this team is

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Speaker 3: not going to run the table just because of the

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Speaker 3: defense alone, It is not going to run the table

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Speaker 3: and take them to the playoffs? What do you gain?

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Speaker 3: But then, you know, the more you really think about it,

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Speaker 3: the more you really, you know, turn on the logic machine.

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Speaker 3: There are seven games left in this season. If we

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Speaker 3: were talking, it's you know, we're going into Christmas. It's

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Speaker 3: mid November or mid December. There's only two three four

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Speaker 3: games left and the Bengals are well out of it.

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Speaker 3: I'd have a different stance. But Joe Burrow is making

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Speaker 3: over a quarter of a billion dollars to play football

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Speaker 3: for this franchise, and you're just past the halfway point

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Speaker 3: in the season, and he's healthy, or he says he's healthy.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little worried that when they when he was

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Speaker 3: is not the answer to that question I would feel

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Speaker 3: he said as much yesterday. And it makes perfect sense

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Speaker 3: how this stuff works. Now, I'm in for Tony and

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Speaker 3: Like we're together again, yes, like Brownson Arroyo and jtm

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Speaker 3: Wherever however this plays out, then you have to reevaluate.

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Speaker 3: But as it stands, yeah, Joe Burrow is your quarterback,

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Speaker 3: he's the franchise. You don't let a healthy Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: watch half of your season, that's dumb. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 3: has been the off season of Hunter Green rumors so far,

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Speaker 3: and in a perfect world you would just laugh this office,

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Speaker 3: that's that's still young, that you've got under team control,

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Speaker 3: the best pitchers in the sport. But what do you

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Speaker 3: mean they're listening to trade conversations centered around Hunter Green,

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Speaker 3: and I'm a Hunter Green guy. I like Hunter Green.

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Speaker 3: I think I have a concern about him staying healthy.

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Speaker 3: a half range probably you know more like it. That's

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Speaker 3: really difficult given the financial constraints that this team has

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Speaker 3: put on itself. It's very difficult to win that way

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Speaker 3: when you're best player, the guy that's at the top

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Speaker 3: Either way, it's one of those two guys. Your best

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Speaker 3: That's really hard to overcome. If you're Cincinnati. Also, we're

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Speaker 3: looking at a roster that needs probably six seven a

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Speaker 3: saying six to seven a lot lately?

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Speaker 4: No, But it wasn't the problem with you, willis.

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Speaker 3: I could see him doing it for his daughter, Like

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Speaker 3: if she's listening, I bet that entertains her. I know

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Speaker 3: she's not listening now. But but you know, neither here

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Speaker 3: nor there. The offense needs help. They have roughly twenty

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Speaker 3: million dollars to spend. From what we've heard, that's going

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Speaker 3: to include building the majority of your bullpen. That's going

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Speaker 3: to include needing kind of a utility guy to step

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Speaker 3: into that Espinol role that you had last year. Sounds

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Speaker 3: like Jake Fraley's gone. You need to need to replace

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Speaker 3: be done on this roster, and the offense isn't good

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Speaker 3: enough to challenge for a championship. So if that's the case,

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Speaker 3: you've got to try to make your roster better via

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Speaker 3: it is Freely, by the way, signed a one year,

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Speaker 3: three million contract with Tampa Bay. The Reds have given

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Speaker 3: up on him anyway, So that's that's my bad. There's

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Speaker 3: been a lot of work this week, tarn I have

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Speaker 3: not slowed down in like ten days. AnyWho where does this?

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Speaker 3: Where does this player come from that makes the Reds

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Speaker 3: best offensive player you can get? It's probably going to

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Speaker 3: of the better pitchers in the league, that's on a

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Speaker 3: make a great deal in return. That's Hunter Green. What's

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Speaker 3: Nicolodolo getting you on the open market?

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Speaker 3: Maybe Chase Burns would, but there's no chance you're treating

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Speaker 3: Chase Burns at this stage in his career. So it's Hunter.

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Speaker 3: Does that mean I want.

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Speaker 4: Hunter to go?

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Speaker 3: No, But it means when I'm looking at what makes

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Speaker 3: this franchise more viable in twenty twenty six than they

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Speaker 3: cover those changes. I don't know that there's an answer

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Speaker 3: other than hunter, does that stink?

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Speaker 3: It does. Does that make me more angry at management

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Speaker 3: because they could say we're putting an extra you know,

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Speaker 3: Terry Francona to figure that out, which as we saw

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Speaker 3: of Hunters probably the one to go if they're going

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Speaker 3: to make this offense better. But he's probably the one

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Speaker 3: we're out of five thirty today, we've got Kegan nickoson

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Speaker 4: Now I haven't found Cleaver.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna listen to it on the way. I

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Speaker 3: and digesting it yet, but boy, have you listened? Did

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Speaker 3: it get you? With the like the roll call at

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Speaker 3: the beginning a little bit?

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Speaker 3: Where's Dave? I was like, damn, well, y'all got to

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Speaker 3: do me like that? Remember the Tribe did that when

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Speaker 3: they released the album After five Died Too? Not the

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Speaker 3: same thing, but like that, that kind of tear jerking

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make financial sense. It doesn't make sense for

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Speaker 6: You you're not gonna give up. You're not gonna give

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Speaker 3: You're not trading cars inspires for you know, a thirty

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Speaker 7: Hey, it is what it is.

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Speaker 3: Business is business, brother, Business is business.

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Speaker 3: Row right along hour number one. Got a barn burner

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Speaker 5: I don't know how much longer he's going to be

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Speaker 5: And versally how that impacts the offense, Like if you

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Speaker 5: give up field goals, the offense is playing with confidence

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Speaker 5: to give up touchdowns, and the offense starts the press

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Speaker 5: to play calling gets a little bit conservative maybe, and

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Speaker 5: then the mistakes happen. So I think this game could

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Speaker 5: be decided in the first quarter. TCU has struggled to

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Speaker 5: score in the first quarter. I just got done talking

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Speaker 5: with Jamie Plunkett, who covers tc for two four seven,

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Speaker 5: and I think the Houston game was.

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Speaker 13: The first time they'd scored in the first quarter out

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Speaker 13: of their last seven contests.

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Speaker 5: So if you can keep them off the scoreboard in

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Speaker 5: those first fifteen minutes and you can take maybe a

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Speaker 5: two possession lead, I think force TCU to play from behind.

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Speaker 5: Josh hoovers from thirteen interceptions this year, so you see

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Speaker 5: show have a really good chance to do something they've

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Speaker 5: done so few times this.

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Speaker 8: Year and for some turnovers.

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Speaker 3: There's been a lot of talk about Brendan soaresby He

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Speaker 3: didn't play well against Utah, didn't play all that well

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Speaker 3: against Arizona. I thought he bounced back pretty well against BYU.

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Speaker 3: How important is this week for him, just emotionally, maybe

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Speaker 3: even to go home to play in front of family,

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Speaker 3: to play well and get this team back in the

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Speaker 3: wing column.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's hugely important.

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Speaker 5: I've seen some tweets about like this is how he's

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Speaker 5: played when they've lost and he hasn't played well, and

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Speaker 5: I'm like, well, yeah, that's how the quarterback plays is

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Speaker 5: pretty linear to winning and losing games, especially in the

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Speaker 5: Big Twelve, Like if your quarterback.

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Speaker 8: Isn't playing well, they're going to lose. And at this

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Speaker 8: point they've only lost four games.

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Speaker 5: But I also feel like he doesn't have a ton

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Speaker 5: to prove to really anyone besides maybe scouts. I think

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Speaker 5: he's done more than what people have expected him to do.

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Speaker 5: What you see, he still makes really really good throws,

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Speaker 5: sure the anticipation, quick release.

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Speaker 8: He's been a really good leader.

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Speaker 5: So I think it's big for him personally because this

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Speaker 5: is where he's from. He's gonna have a ton of

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Speaker 5: people there watching him and just to make his hometown proud.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I think, like you said, he didn't

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Speaker 5: play good against Utah, and he didn't play good against Arizona,

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Speaker 5: but played really good against Baylor. Three hundred yards, sixty

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Speaker 5: six percent of his passes were completed, made some big throws,

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Speaker 5: So I'm looking for him to really bounce back against

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Speaker 5: the defense.

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Speaker 8: That kind of sets up for him to have a

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Speaker 8: lot of success.

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Speaker 3: For Scott Saderfield alone, how much goodwill does eight and four,

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Speaker 3: eight and four by over seven and five as we

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Speaker 3: go into yeah, pivotal offseason for the coach.

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Speaker 5: I think eight and four gets kind of like a okay,

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Speaker 5: good work. You know you were on track to being

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Speaker 5: the Big twelve championship, but you know.

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Speaker 8: You felt short.

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Speaker 5: This is some good momentum for next season versus seven

495
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Speaker 5: and five is basically continued, like apathy from the fan

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Speaker 5: base and a lot of people were kind of saying,

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Speaker 5: you know, this is a bad year, Like it's a

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Speaker 5: disappointing year. I'm not going to get to the point

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Speaker 5: where I say it's a failure. But based on how

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Speaker 5: you started the season, based off how you sold this

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Speaker 5: roster to everyone, you should have finished better than seven

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Speaker 5: and five.

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Speaker 8: And coming into the year, I.

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Speaker 5: Thought seven and five was their floor and nine and

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Speaker 5: three was maybe their ceiling. And then they start playing

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Speaker 5: and you're thinking, okay, like ten and two is really

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Speaker 5: in the cards.

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Speaker 8: Especially that was just why you at home?

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Speaker 4: That was just you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that was just me everyone else because they're perpetually negative.

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Speaker 3: I predicted seven and five.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So I mean I started the season nine and oh,

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Speaker 5: I'm like you did, so I kind of know what

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Speaker 5: I'm talking about a little bit, but yeah, I just think.

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Speaker 8: It's it's a It's a pretty big difference.

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Speaker 5: Even though it's just one game, and I think the

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Speaker 5: bowl game that they can get in and if they

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Speaker 5: can win is it's not the difference in the end

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Speaker 5: of the season.

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Speaker 8: Perception is much more decided.

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Speaker 5: By this game than whatever they do in the bowl

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Speaker 5: game because of how many factors there are in that.

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Speaker 3: Look, let's just be honest. A win means it's more

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Speaker 3: likely they go to the Pop Tarts Bowl, and that's

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Speaker 3: really all any of us want.

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Speaker 8: You don't I want to go to Shreport. I've never

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Speaker 8: been to Shreveport before.

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Speaker 3: I'll send you to Shrepport one way ticket, Kegan one

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Speaker 3: way ticket to Shreamport. Basketball wise, what can we look

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Speaker 3: for tonight against Eastern Michigan? Is a Moni bait still there?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I don't think so.

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Speaker 13: I think he was.

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Speaker 8: Last time I heard his name he was on.

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Speaker 5: The Cavs G League team, So I don't really know

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Speaker 5: what he's up to. The biggest thing I'm looking for

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Speaker 5: would be Seanabayev. I think what he showed as an

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Speaker 5: offensive ALPHA against nj.

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Speaker 8: T was pretty impressive.

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Speaker 5: He's he was an alpha when he stepped on campus

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Speaker 5: in terms of his offensive play, but actually being able

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Speaker 5: to exercise that with Boba Miller out was good to see.

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Speaker 8: And then I'm also looking at Jordi Rodriguez. Is he

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Speaker 8: able to stack some games.

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Speaker 5: And show Wes Miller but he can be that consistent

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Speaker 5: part of the rotation. And I think more important than

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Speaker 5: you know making three or four threes is how he

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Speaker 5: competes defensively and going after loose balls, which he did

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Speaker 5: against nj T. So you know, I'm also looking what

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Speaker 5: are they doing with bobon Miller. But to be perfectly honest,

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Speaker 5: I'd be shocked if he played. Given west Miller's comments

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Speaker 5: after the game on Monday, and given the context of

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Speaker 5: you have Xavier at the end of next week, I think.

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Speaker 3: There's probably a better chance Wes Miller lets you suit

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Speaker 3: up over putting bobbon Miller out there tonight. You ready

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Speaker 3: to go? No, you're not ready to go.

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Speaker 8: No, I'm not ready to go.

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Speaker 3: But what would you play the three?

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Speaker 4: The two?

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Speaker 5: I would probably just play a really really physical four

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Speaker 5: in just.

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Speaker 8: Throw elbows and pick up fowls. See if I can

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Speaker 8: knock somebody out of the game.

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Speaker 3: You're one of the old Kelvin Samson, John Cheney goons.

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Speaker 3: Just this guy's got five thousand, he's gonna go use them.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, all right, man.

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Speaker 3: It is h it is always a pleasure and uh,

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Speaker 3: looking forward to seeing you tonight. What what's your We're

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Speaker 3: gonna get to this in a minute. What's your take

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Speaker 3: on Thanksgiving sides? Kean?

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Speaker 13: My take on Thanksgiving sides?

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Speaker 8: Is it all?

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Speaker 5: It starts with green bean cast A good green bean

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Speaker 5: casserole can make or.

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Speaker 8: Break a Thanksgiving. And then you put the mashed.

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Speaker 13: Potatoes next to it, you put the dinner roll, and.

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Speaker 5: Then you have turkey, and then you coat the entire

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Speaker 5: plate in gravy, and then you you go get another

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Speaker 5: dinner roll, and you sop up all the gravy with.

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Speaker 8: The dinner roll. And that's it. How many of you

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Speaker 8: do that two or three more times?

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Speaker 3: How many times a year do you eat green bean casserole?

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Speaker 8: How many times a year do you eat pulled ham?

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Speaker 3: I eat ham a lot. I mean I don't need

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Speaker 3: pork shoulder a couple of times a year. The pulled

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Speaker 3: ham is just because I got tired of doing regular ham,

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Speaker 3: and I eat regular ham all the time. You didn't

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Speaker 3: answer the question how many times a year do you

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Speaker 3: eat green bean casserole?

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Speaker 5: I don't exactly know what a straw man argument is,

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Speaker 5: but I feel.

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Speaker 8: Like this is one of those.

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Speaker 3: Not I think it's it's a very hurting an argument.

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Speaker 3: If you loved green bean casserole at some time in March,

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Speaker 3: you would be like, you know what sounds good? I'm

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Speaker 3: a rock some green bean casserole tonight, and from now.

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Speaker 5: On I'm just gonna like post on Twitter whenever I

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Speaker 5: make it, so you can stop making a stupid argument.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not wrong. You don't make it and

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Speaker 3: you only have it once a year? Right or wrong? Kigan,

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Speaker 3: how many times a year do you eat green bean casserole.

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Speaker 8: Once?

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Speaker 3: If it was good, you'd need it more than once.

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying. That's my only argument.

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Speaker 8: My taste buds have no freedom of speech.

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Speaker 3: All right, man, I'll see you tonight.

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00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 4: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: All right, there you go, Kay Nicholson forty two. You

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00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: can find his work at Bearcat journal dot com and

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Speaker 3: support that he has to work for me every day.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine that Tarren having me is your boss.

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Speaker 3: That sounds terrible. Take a break number two right after

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Speaker 3: this cincinnati'siest and then Taran. By the way, we're going

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Speaker 3: to six right, yes, six o'clock. Okay, I was wrong

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Speaker 3: about the five thirty thing. I thought it was only

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Speaker 3: five thirty.

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Speaker 4: But we're headed it off to Lance and Rocky for

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Speaker 4: a Bingals round table.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break. Hour number two coming up.

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Speaker 3: Since at E'SESPN fifteen thirty, What are your tail getting?

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day is about family food and most importantly football,

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Speaker 1: armyloves Bengals look to roast the Rivalryvens in an AFC

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Speaker 1: North Turkey tussle.

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Speaker 2: That reminds me I thought you should know.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoy a delicious slice of punkin pie with

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Speaker 1: whipped cream. It's Cincinnati versus Baltimore. Coverage begins at four

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Speaker 1: pm tomorrow, stream for free on the new and improved

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app or ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: There we go, Hour number two, full show. I was

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Speaker 3: wrong before. We're not out of five thirty. Kentucky Basketball's

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Speaker 3: on thirteen sixty, right, Taren, So if you're looking for

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Speaker 3: that conbine, it there five thirty. Thank you for choosing me.

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Speaker 3: We've got Jeff F. Carr from Locked on Reds coming

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Speaker 3: up here in about ten twelve minutes. Continue the Reds

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Speaker 3: conversation around Hunter Green, and to this point it's just

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Speaker 3: been rumors. But when you hear the rumor over and

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00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 3: over and over again and it keeps coming up in

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00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 3: multiple situations, you have to think there's some validity to

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Speaker 3: the Reds shopping Hunter Green. The Bengals injury report is out.

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Speaker 3: TODs Brooks ruled out with the concussion, t Higgins out

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00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 3: with a concussion, can sample questionable with an oblique Jermaine

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Speaker 3: Burton out with an angle injury. Burton was not on

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Speaker 3: the injury report yesterday. Goes from not on the injury

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Speaker 3: report to out, so I have to assume that was

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Speaker 3: something in practice yesterday. And once again Trey Hendrickson out

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Speaker 3: with a hip slash pelvis injury. Look it sounds painful,

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Speaker 3: I get it. I'm not saying Trey Hendrickson is healthy

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Speaker 3: and could be playing but is not playing. What I

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Speaker 3: am saying is there's a reason that, as a pretty

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Speaker 3: long standing philosophy now from this Bengals organization, they do

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Speaker 3: not like paying guys into their thirties, largely because that's

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Speaker 3: when careers tend to start flaming out. Trey Hendrickson has

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Speaker 3: been essentially a complete non factor this year. The Bengals

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Speaker 3: gave him what an extra fifteen million somewhere in that range,

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Speaker 3: pretty much doubled his salary for this season for him

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Speaker 3: to be the staple, the foundational piece of this defense.

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Speaker 3: And he's been hurt for most of the season. And

659
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Speaker 3: there are many that will tell you they do not

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Speaker 3: think we will see Trey Hendrickson back this year. And

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00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 3: if that's the case, if you're the Bengals front office

662
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Speaker 3: outside of Joe Burrow, essentially, why would you ever come

663
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Speaker 3: off of that philosophe with what's happened with Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 3: He has been nothing but a distraction for two years

665
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: off the field, and you paid him his money. You

666
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: brought him back because you believed he was going to

667
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 3: be the cornerstone of a young defense that needed a star.

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00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: He has not been available. You have not been able

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Speaker 3: to put Trey Hendrickson out there in some of these games,

670
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Speaker 3: some of these close games where maybe you could have

671
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Speaker 3: closed it out with a sack, Maybe you just needed

672
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Speaker 3: one more play, one more stop, and the guy that

673
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: you paid to get it there, to get the team

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Speaker 3: across the finish line a couple times in a regular

675
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Speaker 3: season has not been available. Injuries happened in the NFL.

676
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: I get it. But that's why the Bengals philosophy has

677
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: been the Bengals philosophy, get in and get out by

678
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: the time the guy's thirty, and move on. They did

679
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 3: not move on from Trey Hendrickson. If you asked me,

680
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: they should have traded Trey Hendrickson. Nobody asked me, so

681
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: they didn't. And as a result, that's a whole lot

682
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Speaker 3: of money that's not being used, that's not on the

683
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 3: field helping the Bengals win football games. Back to the Reds.

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Speaker 3: The Hunter Green thing. It's not that I dislike Hunter

685
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Speaker 3: Green because it just the raw numbers. Twenty twenty four,

686
00:42:50,719 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 3: two seventy five ERA excellent walk to strikeout ratio ops

687
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: allowed the last two years is ops allowed five eighty

688
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: one in twenty twenty four, six fourteen in twenty twenty five,

689
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: two eighty one ERA two ninety three or excuse me, uh,

690
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: two seventy five ERA two seventy six er. He's a

691
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: guy that if you have him at the top of

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Speaker 3: your rotation, you're pretty confident when he's out there that

693
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Speaker 3: you're gonna get a quality performance, that you're going to

694
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: get a reliable, consistent six seven innings, two runs. But

695
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: he has not been able to be out there all

696
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 3: the time. He only started nineteen games in twenty twenty five.

697
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: How much different does this look if Hunter Green starts

698
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: thirteen more games, ten more games, twelve more games games.

699
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: How much different of a position are the Reds in

700
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Speaker 3: coming down the stretch. Maybe they don't have to play

701
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: the Dodgers in that first round of the playoffs if

702
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: Hunter Green stays healthy. This is the thing that has

703
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: concerned me with Hunter Green all along. Twenty twenty two,

704
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five innings pitched, twenty twenty three,

705
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Speaker 3: one hundred and twelve, twenty twenty four, one hundred and fifty,

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00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, one hundred and seven. I know it's

707
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Speaker 3: not you know, the mid eighties anymore, where guys were

708
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Speaker 3: going two hundred plus innings, But my goodness, if you

709
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: can't get to one seventy one seventy five consistently, it's

710
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: it's really hard when you're the ace, when you're the stopper,

711
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Speaker 3: when you're the the guy that the team is counting

712
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 3: on every five days. We know this guy is gonna

713
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 3: go out there, and our chances of winning are shooting

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Speaker 3: way up. And in a franchise that's looking for help

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Speaker 3: on the offensive end and doesn't allocate the money to

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Speaker 3: go out and get somebody on the open market, you've

717
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 3: got a deal from within. You've got to make your

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00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 3: offense better from within. The only guy on this roster

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Speaker 3: you're not trading Eli Da La Cruz. The only guy

720
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Speaker 3: on this roster that truly could get you something of value,

721
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: it's probably Hunter Green. So well, I wouldn't feel great

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00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: if in a you know, two weeks, we wake up

723
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 3: and the Reds have traded Hunter Green. I would understand it.

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Speaker 3: I would look at it and go, well, let's see

725
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: what they got, let's see how it makes the offense better,

726
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: and let's play it out going forward. Just take a break.

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Speaker 3: Jeff car Locked on Reds right after this Cincinnati's ESPN

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Speaker 9: Modern Office Methods on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home

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Speaker 9: of this Cincinnati Bengals, the.

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Speaker 3: Football in the NATTI. We've got Jack F. F. Carr

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Speaker 3: coming up to talk some reds here in this segment,

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Speaker 3: but we will do a little football with the injury

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Speaker 3: report that just came out. Tosbrooks out, Jermaine Burton out,

746
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:28,959
Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson out, T Higgins out, cam sample questionable for

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Speaker 3: tomorrow night, Thursday Night against the Ravens. Taring that does this?

748
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Speaker 3: Are you excited to have the Bengals on Thursday night?

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Speaker 3: Do you do you like that? I know you don't

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Speaker 3: like him, probably because you got to come in and

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00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: run the game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, personally, no.

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Speaker 8: To me.

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Speaker 3: Like now, I'm probably gonna have to stay at like

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Speaker 3: my cousin's house and like until late because I've got

756
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: I'm in for for Tony and Austin. But can I

757
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: sneak out at halftime? You think halftime's the right time to, like,

758
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: all right, gotta go home and get ready to you know,

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00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: get the show ready. I think that's fair.

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00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 4: That's fair. You got to get up and work next day.

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00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, most everybody else can be off. I've got work

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00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: to do. I'm gonna have to go home and pay

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00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: intent close attention, hopefully to the second half. Hopefully it's

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00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: not done at halftime. We've seen a couple of those.

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00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 3: But anyway, let's get out to Jeff ff car locked

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Speaker 3: on RADS. Jeff, one of my main topics today has

767
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: been Hunter Green and the rumors surrounding Hunter Green. Do

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Speaker 3: you think there's legitimacy to the fact that we continue

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Speaker 3: and welcome in Happy Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 4: How are you happy Thanksgiving? To you too? Doing good?

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Speaker 14: I'm looking forward to the trip to fan induced coma

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00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 14: that I'll be trying to watch the Bengals Game three.

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00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna have to fight it. I've got you know,

774
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: I've got big boy responsibilities, Jeff, I got to be

775
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 3: in here, and I've got to be Tony and Austin

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00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 3: on Friday.

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Speaker 4: Fan and you know other other influences. Right.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not I'm not gonna have any alcohol because

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Speaker 3: then I'll think I'm not a one drink guy. Jeff

780
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: and some people can just have one drink and like

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00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: be good.

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00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 4: That's not me. It's understandable once.

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Speaker 3: I turn up, I turn up, it's easier for me

784
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: to just not start. But Hunter Green, when you hear

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00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: these rumors continue, does it does it seem like it's

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Speaker 3: more than just people speculating? Does it feel like there's

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00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: actual legitimacy to the Reds are looking into trading? Hunter Green?

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00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 4: I I am. I was surprised.

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Speaker 14: I'll say this like, the question was very poignant from

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Speaker 14: Mark Sheldon that really started all of this. This wasn't

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Speaker 14: like a John Hayman middle of this December fever tweet

792
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Speaker 14: to get everybody going. This was actually a question that

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Speaker 14: Mark Sheldon asked specifically to Nick Krawl and he did

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Speaker 14: a Reddit ama the other day that was very illuminating

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Speaker 14: where he not only doubled down, but tripled down with

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Speaker 14: this rumor, or at least the reports of these rumors

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Speaker 14: where like, you know, somebody asked him point plank, They're like,

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Speaker 14: why did you start this rumor? And he's like, I

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Speaker 14: didn't start the rumor. I reported on what I heard

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Speaker 14: from multiple people within the organization. Yeah, They're like, Okay,

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Speaker 14: there's there is validity to this. Now, based on what

802
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Speaker 14: Nick Krawl should be looking for and based on what

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Speaker 14: I think other teams are probably offering, isn't likely to happen.

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Speaker 14: I still think that there's a good chance that Hunter

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00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 14: Green is our opening to a starter, because I think

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Speaker 14: Nick Krawl should be asking for the moon and the stars.

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Speaker 14: But at the same time, like, is somebody gonna budget

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Speaker 14: and offer that to them?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 14: Like I felt like the Red Sox were a pretty

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Speaker 14: good destination if this trade roumor really had a lot

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Speaker 14: of weight to it, and with them getting Sunny Gray,

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Speaker 14: I think that takes them out of that.

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Speaker 3: Who else would be possible, maybe.

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Speaker 14: Not the usual suspects New York Los Angeles. There's not

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Speaker 14: a lot of other teams whose farm system is deep enough,

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Speaker 14: whose outfield is deep enough. Because one of the reasons

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Speaker 14: that I had circled Boston is that it's very widely

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Speaker 14: known that the Red Sox feel they have too many

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Speaker 14: outfielders and they were looking to move one of them.

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Speaker 14: And then they also have some pitching prospects that they

822
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Speaker 14: could backload. But I think it's intriguing because a lot

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Speaker 14: of what we have heard based on the reasoning why

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Speaker 14: the Reds are even one team to entertain such a

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00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 14: notion is very lupidancic esque, and we know how that

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Speaker 14: turned out for Nico Harris.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I'm ready to put Hunter Green

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Speaker 3: in the Luca conversation though.

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Speaker 14: It's a lot of a lot of off field like, well,

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Speaker 14: is he want it? Yeah, Like it's a lot of like, Okay,

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Speaker 14: this sounds like there's not a lot of I don't

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Speaker 14: think there's a lot of weight behind it.

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Speaker 3: I guess the one thing that stands out to me, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: is they need offense. They need a bat, like they

835
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Speaker 3: desperately need a reliable bat. The fact that they haven't

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Speaker 3: had a thirty home run guy and how long in

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00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 3: that ballpark is incredible. Like the next thirty home run

838
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 3: guy at Great American Ballpark might be Adam Dunn's kid,

839
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Speaker 3: and he's like, what a junior in high school like,

840
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 3: it's embarrassing that they play in a ballpark like they do,

841
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 3: and they have not been able to draft and develop

842
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: and move up a guy or find a guy wherever

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00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 3: in the the talent acquisition periods did thirty home runs

844
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Speaker 3: in this ballpark And it shouldn't be that hard. It

845
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 3: should be relatively easy. But I digress that have twenty

846
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 3: million dollars to spend a lot of that money is

847
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 3: going to go into the bullpen. There are other needs

848
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Speaker 3: that they are not gonna have the money to go

849
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Speaker 3: out and get a guy that you I don't think

850
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Speaker 3: in free agency that you feel comfortable going, all right,

851
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 3: you're our right fielder and you're gonna hit thirty two

852
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 3: home runs this year. So then you have to look

853
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Speaker 3: inward and say they're gonna have to maybe do that

854
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 3: from within. And the only guy that gets you there

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Speaker 3: is Hunter Green, isn't.

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Speaker 4: It if you're looking for the trade?

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Speaker 3: I think so, yeah, I'm talking about the trade. Like

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Speaker 3: why we're talking about the trade right right?

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Speaker 4: I mean I could see it.

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Speaker 14: I could also see that being any one of the

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Speaker 14: starting pitchers. Brady Singer probably a little bit less so

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Speaker 14: because he only has one year of team control left.

863
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Speaker 14: But like the questions that would be asked of Hunter

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Speaker 14: Green are the same questions that would be asked to

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Speaker 14: Nicoletel and Andrew But those guys actually made more starts

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Speaker 14: than he did a year ago, and so you could

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Speaker 14: even maybe argue more to the positive on their durability

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Speaker 14: when it comes to trade negotiations. But I honestly don't

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Speaker 14: understand why they feel as though the majority of that budget,

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Speaker 14: to perceived twenty to twenty five or fifteen or whatever

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Speaker 14: the number is, has to go to the bullpen. This

872
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 14: team is a pitching factory. They have set themselves up

873
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 14: that way. This organization is build your bullpen from within

874
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 14: and address the bat in the free agent market where

875
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 14: there is some options you've got. Of course, the guy

876
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 14: that we all know isn't coming here because the resid

877
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 14: will never offer.

878
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 4: Him enough money.

879
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 14: But then there's other guys who fall within that number

880
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 14: that could work. A Dully Scarcia who was just non

881
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 14: tendered by the Texas Rangers. You could look at Ryan O'Hearn,

882
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 14: who for the last three years has been a better

883
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 14: hitter than anybody in this lineup. Albeit he's not a

884
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 14: thirty homer guy, but he's the kind of guy that

885
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 14: is a very complete hitter, and you could put it

886
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 14: in the middle of the lineup and he would be

887
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 14: lineup protection for Eli de la Cruz, and then Eli

888
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 14: de la Cruz would be your thirty homer guy. And

889
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 14: I really feel like spending twenty million dollars on a

890
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 14: bullpen to get the bullpen back to, if not slightly

891
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 14: better than where it was last year, doesn't move the

892
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 14: needle near as much as fixing this lineup.

893
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 3: And look, I'm not saying spend twenty on the bullpen,

894
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 3: but they're probably gonna have to spend at least ten

895
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 3: to twelve, aren't they.

896
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 14: I would really hope it'd be like fifteen million on

897
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 14: the lineup, twelve to fifteen million on the lineup, and then.

898
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 4: Like five million on the bullpen.

899
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 14: Because I feel like there's a couple of guys out

900
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 14: there bargain deals. I'd rather, let's let's put it this way,

901
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 14: I'd rather than get a bargain bullpen arm than a

902
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 14: bargain lineup.

903
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 4: Guy, because we've seen that the last couple of years.

904
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 4: It doesn't work.

905
00:55:54,560 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 3: No, Mike Mustakis Jamer Candelario, Austin and Hayes. Yeah, there's

906
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 3: a lot of They've spent a lot of They've caught

907
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: a lot of money on fire trying to shop in

908
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 3: the like scratching dent Ben.

909
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 14: Yeah, they've they've bought the great value electronics to fill

910
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 14: in the area where they just should have got Sony

911
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 14: like get.

912
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 4: Whatever.

913
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of buy buy as is right,

914
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 3: no returns.

915
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 14: Yeah, the marketplace has been perused to its max by

916
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 14: the Reds front office. When you start shopping in better areas.

917
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: Do they have enough young arms that could populate the bullpen?

918
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: And because I think the concern for there is they're

919
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 3: losing a lot of innings and I don't know that

920
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 3: you want to count on young guys like you're running

921
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 3: them out there seventy four times over one hundred and

922
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 3: eighty two game season.

923
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 4: So I think that you can bump up.

924
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 14: And I thought the conversation with Derek Johnson on the

925
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 14: red sot Stowvey Show last night or sorry two nights

926
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 14: ago was very illuminating in that, you know, he revealed

927
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 14: that if there were no moves to be made, the

928
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 14: closer competition is between Tony Santion, Graham Ashcraft, and Connor Phillips.

929
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,959
Speaker 14: So that's your a group right now, and I feel

930
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 14: pretty good about that a group. I mean, Connor Phillips

931
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 14: struck out eleven and a half per nine last year,

932
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 14: albeit he only did in twenty five innings, but I

933
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 14: think that you could easily see that just continue. I

934
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 14: really like his stuff, and I really like his mental

935
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 14: approach to the game. I think it has matured a

936
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 14: lot more from where he was in twenty twenty three

937
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 14: in all of the you know, the desert that he

938
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 14: went through in twenty twenty four to come back. He

939
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 14: was a non factor at the beginning of last year,

940
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 14: nobody had any expectations of him, and now the pitching

941
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 14: coordinator for the organization is topalking about him as one of.

942
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 4: The top three arms in this bullpen.

943
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 14: And so I think that you've got those two guys

944
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 14: who slot in to Graham or you know, Graham Ashcraft

945
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 14: and Connor Phillips slot into whatever roles Emilia Pagan and

946
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 14: Scott Barlow vacate, and maybe Tony Santion's the guy that's

947
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 14: getting more saves than any of those three guys.

948
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 4: Fine with that.

949
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 14: The one thing that I worry about with him is

950
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 14: you know, the year after throwing eighty ball games. I'm

951
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 14: a little leary of his durability, But at the same time,

952
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 14: like I feel good about that top three good enough

953
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 14: that you could look at guys like maybe moving to

954
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 14: Julian Agiar to the bullpen, coming off with Tommy John

955
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 14: just to make sure that his arm responds correctly one

956
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 14: year after a major surgery, probably the same for Brandon Williamson.

957
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 14: And then if you keep them stretched out in spring training,

958
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 14: you could kind of do the whole Nick Martinez thing

959
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 14: where they go between the lineup, or they go between

960
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 14: the rotation, they go between the bullpen.

961
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 4: I think that the bullpen just has enough arms.

962
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 14: And then of course Louis Maxwell those guys that you

963
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 14: can fill from within, and they kept saying, mall who

964
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 14: got to help us? If last year was not the

965
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 14: bottom of the barrel for him? Yeah, I think he

966
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 14: bounces back a little bit. But ultimately I think that

967
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 14: you can see a better bullpen with what they have

968
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 14: in house. Then you can see a better lineup than

969
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 14: if they just run back what they have.

970
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 6: In the house.

971
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: How do you handle are we past Ellie wanting to

972
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 3: play one hundred and sixty two games. Like he checked

973
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 3: that off. We don't have to worry about that anymore.

974
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 3: He can dh from time to time, he can take

975
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: a day off when he needs to take a day off,

976
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 3: like this entire thing last year that Ellie has to

977
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: play one sixty two and he has to do it

978
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 3: at shortstop. I have a hard time when you look

979
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 3: at his numbers from you know, the All Star break

980
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 3: to the end of the season. I have a hard

981
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 3: time believing giving him a rest at some point couldn't

982
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: have resulted in a couple more wins along the way

983
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 3: because he just didn't do much at all for those

984
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 3: final two and a half months.

985
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 4: Yep, he got the merit badge. We're good.

986
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 14: That should never happen again, and especially you know, whether

987
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 14: you call it a partial tear or a strain, it's.

988
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 4: The same thing, same thing, it's the same thing.

989
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 14: So the guy should have taken some time off to

990
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 14: rest that, get healthy and get back out there. Who knows,

991
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 14: he might have been better than what we saw, because

992
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 14: quite frankly, I don't know how he could have been worse.

993
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 14: He had a really, really rough final two months of

994
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 14: the season because he was a guy that was on

995
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 14: pace for thirty home runs. I mean, what he did

996
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 14: before the All Star break was fantastic. So hopefully we

997
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 14: get that version of Ellie back, and I trust that

998
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 14: more than I trust the final two months with one leg.

999
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 14: But no, he's absolutely got to be and we're not

1000
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 14: talking about he's got to set out twenty or thirty games. Oh,

1001
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 14: just pick a week here or there where you can,

1002
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 14: you know, couple it together with an off day and

1003
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 14: off day Thursday or whatever that day is off day, Monday,

1004
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 14: and just have him take the game off right before

1005
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 14: that off day and then boom, two off days in

1006
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 14: a row. He's good to go and refreshed. Because it

1007
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 14: was true. It was it was clear that even if

1008
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 14: the quad injury toward the end of September started to

1009
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 14: look like maybe it was healing a little bit, even

1010
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 14: that version of Ellie just was exhausted to the point

1011
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 14: that whatever healthiness he was at, he was nowhere near

1012
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 14: as effective as he was before the All Star Bridge.

1013
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you cannot send your best player out there.

1014
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 3: I like him it to like a like a cell phone. Right,

1015
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 3: like he had the quad injury, he was down at

1016
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 3: like you know, fifty seven percent. You got plug that

1017
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 3: thing in for a little while, get him back up

1018
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 3: to eighty percent, and then go from there.

1019
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 14: It's it's unthinkable to think that a Cincinnati professional sports

1020
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 14: franchise would run their guy out there even when they

1021
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 14: know that there's a really bad chance that things could

1022
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 14: go even worse for them.

1023
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 3: Nobody does. Nobody else would now, nobody would do that.

1024
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 3: Speaking of Bengals, Ravens, Jeff, where like, where is your

1025
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 3: confidence level at this? At this you know, we're what

1026
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 3: we're three months from the start of spring training, two

1027
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 3: and a half months from the start of spring training.

1028
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 3: Where is your confidence level at that this is going

1029
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 3: to be a playoff caliber team? When when they get

1030
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 3: out to Arizona to start the twenty twenty six season.

1031
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 14: I would say, I'd say, right now, without knowing if

1032
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 14: there is going to be any moves or anything like that, yeah,

1033
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 14: my confidence level is at about sixty percent.

1034
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 4: That's pretty love for you.

1035
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 14: I still think that this is a good enough team

1036
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 14: to win eighty two to eighty three games. But then

1037
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 14: they're betting on another Mets situation, and that's I mean,

1038
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 14: that's just a bad bet.

1039
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 3: You can't you can't you're not gonna get in the

1040
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 3: playoffs with eighty three wins. It happens like once a decade. Yeah,

1041
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 3: you can't expect that. So go out and make a

1042
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 3: couple of moves. You could see eighty five eighty six wins.

1043
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 3: The Cardinals are handing the rest of the NL Central

1044
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 3: this year. The Cardinals are saying, we are done this year.

1045
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 3: We're not gonna compete this year. We're gonna rebuild this year.

1046
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 3: They're looking to get rid of Ernado. They're probably gonna

1047
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 3: get rid of Brendan Donovan, might even trade Nolan Gorman.

1048
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 3: They might have you and me in their lineup with

1049
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 3: let's go I'm ready next year. I'm ready.

1050
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 14: So they're saying that they're taking themselves out of the running.

1051
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 14: So you have one less team to worry about. So

1052
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 14: it's not as if you have to go retool your

1053
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 14: entire team. Just go get a couple of pieces and

1054
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 14: make sure that those pieces are not you know, he's

1055
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 14: thirty five, he was really good when he was twenty six,

1056
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 14: last six years and he's gonna be okay. Now, don't

1057
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 14: do that. Ye just go get me somebody that's legit,

1058
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 14: and it doesn't have to be a thirty million a year.

1059
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 14: There's plenty of guys.

1060
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 3: Out there, all right, man, Where can they find you?

1061
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 14: They can find locked on reds everywhere you get your podcasts,

1062
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 14: including the iHeartRadio app, and you can follow me on

1063
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 14: Twitter at Jeff car with three fs. I'm also on

1064
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 14: TikTok too. I just haven't done a red TikTok in

1065
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 14: a while because, I mean, what are we going to

1066
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 14: talk about?

1067
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 3: You know, like the rumors and stuff. You know, we

1068
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 3: talk about that a lot on the show. That's what

1069
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 3: the show is for. I appreciate you, man, We'll talk soon. Thanks, Jed,

1070
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 3: appreciate you. Hey go, let's take a break more after

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Speaker 3: this the Mowagger show phone lines open the rest of

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Speaker 3: Being ghetto boys for you. Tarn has been on fire today.

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01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 4: The phone lines.

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01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 3: Mike in that way, Mike, what's your what's your take

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01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 3: on the ghetto boys? Mike scarface Bushwick Bill, what do

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01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 3: you think?

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01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 15: Say it again?

1093
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 7: I'm sorry I couldn't hear.

1094
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 3: So what's your take on the ghetto boys?

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01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 4: Mike?

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01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 3: You a big scarface guy, bush Bill.

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01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 7: I'm more scarface.

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01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 7: I haven't asked Karen. I haven't asked you to play

1100
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 7: me a bumper for a long time, and I think

1101
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 7: I asked you this one full five years ago.

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01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 15: Man. Uh.

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01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 7: The Chambers Brothers, you guys probably don't remember them. They

1104
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 7: were very popular in the seventies. I saw him o

1105
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 7: a Holly Eva beats on a north Shore wall who

1106
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 7: at a concert that Boss Gaggs was the headliner and

1107
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 7: the Chambers brother and they had a famous song called

1108
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 7: Time the I m e. If you could wring that

1109
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 7: out on one of these bumpers. It's a great It's

1110
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 7: such a cool song, man, really a good song. This

1111
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 7: guy's got a deep voice and he is all business

1112
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 7: and it is really good. So I would appreciate. I

1113
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 7: got a big surgery coming up Friday, So do your

1114
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 7: boy a favor.

1115
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 8: Come on, man, look me up, Mike.

1116
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 3: We got let's talk some sports. Mike, we're running. We're

1117
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 3: tight on the clock.

1118
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 7: Oh you're always cutting on a damn clock.

1119
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 3: I talked too much, Mike. I talked too much.

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01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 7: Hey, Alabama, I'll tell you this Alabama basketball team everything,

1121
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 7: there's no I've never seen a team that played has

1122
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 7: played a tougher schedule so far this season in Alabama,

1123
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 7: they played everybody that's good.

1124
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 3: It seems like the NATO certainly is like, hey, bring

1125
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 3: it on, and and he's got the team for it.

1126
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 3: La Baron Pylon is incredible, like just an unbelievable talent.

1127
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 7: And you still think your guy from Houston's the best

1128
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 7: point guard?

1129
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 15: Right?

1130
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 7: I think Brandon Smith is Brandon Smith is from I

1131
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 7: think Brandon Smith better, haven't. I didn't.

1132
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 3: I don't think I said Uzzon's the best point guard

1133
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 3: in the country. I think he's he's up there, he's outstanding.

1134
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 3: He's not the best guard at Houston. Did you have

1135
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 3: you seen Houston?

1136
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, watching him get beat last night.

1137
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 3: Kingston Flemys as a stud Yeah, he.

1138
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 7: Was very impressive. You're right, Hey, Before I forget, let

1139
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 7: me ask you this, this kid.

1140
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 3: From Louisville, Michael Brown.

1141
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, what do you think of him? Because the one

1142
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 7: dude that was the analyst, he said, this guy is

1143
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 7: as a freshman, is going to be the best play

1144
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:21,879
Speaker 7: what's your opinion of me, chick.

1145
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 3: He's going to be incredible. I don't know if you.

1146
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 3: I have Mike de Corsi on preview in the game

1147
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 3: last week, and Mike de Corsi said he reminds him

1148
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 3: of a better at the same stage, a better version

1149
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 3: of Tyrese Halliburt and Shay Gildess Alexander.

1150
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's where I heard it. Thanks to you, buddy.

1151
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm here for. Mike, bring the knowledge. No,

1152
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 3: I love mikeel Brown. He didn't play well that night.

1153
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:57,520
Speaker 3: Cincinnati's defense gave him some fits. He's still at twenty two. Yeah,

1154
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 3: that's you know'd. I'd love to not now not perform

1155
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 3: well at my job and still be that good and.

1156
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 7: Still be in a yeah. Yeah, plus, yeah, I got you.

1157
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 7: They get in the football for not the bank.

1158
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 15: Well.

1159
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 7: I appreciated the Reds talk, but I just don't know

1160
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 7: what to say about him anymore.

1161
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 8: I'm kind of with you.

1162
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,560
Speaker 7: I'm kind of lost. What do you do now? You

1163
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 7: got to get rid of something or you're not going

1164
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 7: to get anything since you can't spend there don't want

1165
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 7: to spend any mind.

1166
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 3: They choose not to. They can, they choose not to.

1167
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you explain why because there's too many cooks

1168
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 7: in the kitchen.

1169
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an ownership group of like twelve people.

1170
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 7: That's crazy. I can't even believe it. Okay, I think

1171
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 7: right now, just see if you and Karen agree. I

1172
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 7: think right now the Rams right now are the best

1173
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 7: team in the NFL.

1174
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 3: I think they're They're certainly right there at the top

1175
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 3: of the food chain. I think the NFC is the

1176
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 3: best conference this year, and I think right now the

1177
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:01,799
Speaker 3: to look like the best team in the NFC.

1178
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 7: You know, you know, Stafford didn't play one down in

1179
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 7: the preseason because he has herniated this and maybe he's

1180
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 7: on maybe they're onto something. But I think McVeigh has

1181
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 7: passed Andy Reid is the best coach in the NFL

1182
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 7: because they kick it in the fifth, sixth, and seventh

1183
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 7: round with these guys.

1184
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,799
Speaker 3: Shit, yeah, I mean the Chiefs have done that. It's

1185
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 3: it's cyclical. So Andy Reid, could you know three weeks

1186
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 3: from now we could be saying the same thing that

1187
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 3: Andy Reid. But Tarren yelling in my ear mic and

1188
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 3: I gotta go. Okay, Thanks Mike. I'll talk to you Monday.

1189
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 3: Carl Friday, have a good Thanksgiving? All right, sounds good.

1190
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 3: Let's take a break hour number three right after this.

1191
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 3: Richard Skinner coming up since Anty's ESPN fifteen.

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01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 11: Thirty, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 12: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center.

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Speaker 10: An accident has been cleared away on Union Center Boulevard

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01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 10: that was between Seward Road and the Saint Drive Delbreath

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01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 10: Road still got an accident west of Clovernook Avenue. Also

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01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 10: a crash on Harrison that is at Westwood Northern Boulevard.

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01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 10: I'm at Ezallach with traffic.

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01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: This report is Thanksgiving Days about family, food, and most

1203
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:32,799
Speaker 1: importantly football. Armyloved Bengals look to roast the rival Ryvens

1204
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: in an AFC North Turkey tussle.

1205
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 2: That reminds me, I thought you should know.

1206
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: I really enjoy a delicious slice of pumpkin pie with

1207
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: whipped cream. It's Cincinnati Versus Baltimore cover, which begins at

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01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: four pm tomorrow, stream for free on a new and

1209
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: improved iHeartRadio app or ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home

1210
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1211
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 3: There we go our number three, leading you into uh

1212
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 3: the Turkey Bash Night, Amateur Night. Thank you for choosing me.

1213
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 3: It's been It's been a lot of fun today. As

1214
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 3: we we get into our number three, and then I

1215
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 3: make the uh do I get the helicopter? Tarin and

1216
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 3: Mo took the helicopter on Monday? Does the the help

1217
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 3: doesn't get the helicopter?

1218
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 4: I mean usually play a seven. You can get there

1219
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 4: in an hour?

1220
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 3: Well, because I don't have to set up the pregame show.

1221
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 3: Then I don't get the helicopter. Probably that's crap. The

1222
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 3: guy that knows about all the perks and benefits of

1223
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 3: the radio industry that some people getting. Some people don't.

1224
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 3: Let's go after Richard Skinner from Local Skinny. They didn't

1225
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 3: let you have the helicopter ever, either, did they?

1226
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 7: No?

1227
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 15: I never.

1228
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 7: I don't even think I got the truck. I got

1229
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 7: to pick up truck.

1230
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 3: They put you in the back, in the bed exactly exactly.

1231
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't get that kind of treatment.

1232
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 3: Can you imagine what the reaction would be now if

1233
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,440
Speaker 3: somebody saw somebody riding in a truck bed down the highway.

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01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 7: She'dn't wonder where they're from. That's what you'd wonder.

1235
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 3: I mean, that was just what we did. My dad

1236
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 3: had a Mazda. I was in that I mean even

1237
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 3: like he had an extended cab. There was a back

1238
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 3: seat in his truck. And still me and my friends

1239
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 3: were in the back of that truck like for everywhere

1240
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 3: that we went.

1241
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 15: I mean, dude, I grew up in an hero or

1242
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 15: where I can remember my sister and I sitting in

1243
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 15: the front seat with my dad come up to cut

1244
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 15: in the hill and somehow swerve in the miss car.

1245
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 15: This is about nineteen, probably seventy. And of course none

1246
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 15: of us wearing seatbelts now the time, because no one

1247
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:05,799
Speaker 15: wore seatbelts at the time because.

1248
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 3: They weren't in the car.

1249
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 4: Exactly right.

1250
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 3: The seatbeltal was your dad's arm across your chest.

1251
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 7: You got no, That's what it was. That's literally what

1252
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 7: it was.

1253
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 3: Unbelievable how much things have changed. It's crazy. AnyWho. What

1254
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 3: hasn't changed is the Brown family still owns the Bengals

1255
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 3: and they're still searching for their first Super Bowl. Joe

1256
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 3: Burrow is back skinny. At first, I was like why,

1257
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 3: But the more time has passed, the more I'm like, look,

1258
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 3: seven games left. He's making a quarter of a billion

1259
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 3: dollars if he's healthy. His job is to play football.

1260
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 3: He should play football. Where are you?

1261
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1262
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 15: I mean yeah, I've been in that camp the whole time.

1263
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 15: I mean, you're being paid as a professional. It's your job.

1264
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 15: And that's before he even says he wants to play.

1265
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 7: I believe that.

1266
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 15: And he says he wants to play. I thought he

1267
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 15: gave a great answer yesterday. I'll read it for those

1268
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 15: that maybe didn't or hadn't read it about people believing

1269
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 15: he shouldn't play, he says, I understand why people feel

1270
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 15: that way, said, but you look at it from my perspective.

1271
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 15: I'm a football player. If I get hurt, I'm gonna

1272
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 15: go through the rehab process. I'm gonna let everyone know

1273
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 15: when I feel like I go out there and play.

1274
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 15: I don't really know what else to say about that.

1275
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 15: I'm not gonna be somebody who says, yeah, I'm healthy,

1276
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 15: but I don't think I should go out there and play.

1277
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 15: That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And

1278
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 15: I think that's he's a football player, it's what he does.

1279
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 15: He's healthy, so you go play football.

1280
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 3: That's what you should want your franchise player to feel like. Right,

1281
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 3: I'd be maybe more worried if he was like, I'm good,

1282
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 3: I'm checking out for that. I'm healthy. I could play,

1283
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 3: but we're not going anywhere. I'm out of here. I'll see.

1284
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 3: I'll see in April at OTAs.

1285
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 15: What message is intended. You go, yeah, we're gonna put

1286
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 15: him in bubble wrap. And hey, you guys who spent

1287
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 15: all a training camp and you're all nicked up and

1288
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 15: banged up and bruised. I know you're not doing well,

1289
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 15: but by go out there and play hard for us. No,

1290
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 15: that that doesn't make any sense. It really doesn't. I

1291
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 15: to Burrow's point to I understand you want now, you

1292
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 15: want losses, you want it to look ugly because you

1293
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 15: want people fired, You want the best draft pick you

1294
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 15: can get because you want to get ready to rebuild.

1295
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 15: You just don't look at it that way. I mean, honestly,

1296
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 15: if you if you pulled Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase

1297
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 15: and others in that locker room, there's a belief they

1298
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 15: think they can win six straight games.

1299
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,839
Speaker 7: They're not going to and it's far fas you think they're.

1300
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 15: Gonna win very many games at all. But you just

1301
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 15: can't think that way, and they don't think that way.

1302
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 15: It's what makes them elite. They're competitive people. They want

1303
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 15: to go compete.

1304
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 3: When you look at the way that this plays out

1305
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 3: from here, do we just assume if Joe's healthy, he's

1306
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 3: gonna play all the way to the end of the season.

1307
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean you could maybe make an argument that

1308
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 15: last game against Cleveland, at that point, you go, Okay,

1309
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 15: we've done enough. We've seen enough, he's played enough. You

1310
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 15: know a lot of times those last games, as we

1311
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 15: all know, get treated like exhibitions. Anyway, if teams of

1312
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 15: clinch playoff first are not playing for something.

1313
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,719
Speaker 3: Cleveland won't have clinch to playoff birth at that point.

1314
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 15: No, No, they won't put mouth Garrett maybe going for

1315
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 15: thirty second of season at that point.

1316
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 3: And that got got the most important athlete, the most

1317
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 3: important person since MLK or who was it now, whatever.

1318
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 15: They got a guy who's not going to go very

1319
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 15: far at the quarterback position. In my opinion, No, and

1320
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 15: I listen, I think this is where where we're The

1321
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 15: thing I'm fascinating to see it is does he change

1322
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 15: the way he plays? Does he, yes, you know, pick

1323
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 15: spots maybe to to try to extend plays, or does

1324
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 15: he just simply say no, I'm getting rid of the football.

1325
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 15: I'm not going to take take unnecessary hits here. You know.

1326
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 15: I even asked him that yesterday if if he was

1327
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 15: going to change his style of play, and he didn't

1328
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 15: sound like like he was really willing to do that.

1329
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 15: And you know, maybe you can't. Maybe you know what

1330
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 15: your style of plays, your style of play, and if

1331
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 15: you get hurt, so.

1332
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 3: Be it skinny. We've seen him miss extended time twice.

1333
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 3: The offensive line. I don't think this is even arguable.

1334
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 3: The offensive line has looked more competent without Burrow than

1335
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 3: they have with Burrow. That tells me there at least

1336
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 3: does He's still probably gonna run around and try to

1337
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,719
Speaker 3: make plays and extend plays whatever. But is there something

1338
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 3: to look Joe? I know how you want the offense

1339
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 3: to function, but can we do it like a lesser

1340
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 3: percentage of the time and mix in some undercenter stuff

1341
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 3: and mix in you know, a little bit more too

1342
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 3: tight end stuff or or is it just going to

1343
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 3: continue to be you know, Joe says, I want to

1344
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 3: play this way and everybody else has to kind of

1345
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 3: fall in line.

1346
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 15: I think we're going to find out Thursday night of

1347
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 15: just how much they're back in shotgun or not in

1348
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 15: shotgun as much? How much does he how much does

1349
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 15: he try to extend plays? Does he simply just you know,

1350
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 15: check it down or throw it away. I think it's

1351
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 15: fascinating to see how this plays out, because honestly, I

1352
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 15: don't know if anybody knows how it's gonna play. I'm

1353
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 15: not even sure Jill Burrow knows how it's going to

1354
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 15: play out, Like if it's the first time he's back

1355
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 15: there on third and seven and he feels like, if

1356
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 15: I run around for a little bit, I'm gonna find

1357
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 15: somebody open. We're gonna make a big play. Or does

1358
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 15: he simply say no, I'm gonna live for another set

1359
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 15: of downs, I'm gonna check it down here, or I'm

1360
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 15: just gonna get rid of it here. I'm not gonna

1361
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 15: take unnecessary I think it's gonna be fascinated to watch

1362
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 15: how this plays out.

1363
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 3: Do you think, like, I don't think Joe Burrow sitting

1364
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 3: and watching Jake Browning is ever gonna be like I

1365
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,719
Speaker 3: probably should play a little bit more like Jake Browning.

1366
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 3: But watching Joe Flacco, a guy that has been in

1367
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 3: the league for as long as he's been, he's a

1368
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 3: super Bowl champion, as much success as he has, do

1369
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 3: you think maybe Joe was at least a little more

1370
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 3: open minded watching Flacco playing quarterback and going some of

1371
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,839
Speaker 3: this stuff that he's doing, Like, you know, I'm not forty,

1372
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:47,879
Speaker 3: but it looks pretty damn effective.

1373
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1374
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 15: The only thing I would say that is that that's

1375
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 15: the way Flaco has always played, though, right He's of

1376
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 15: course mobility, and he's even less mobile than he is now.

1377
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 15: So that's always been the way he's played in Borrow.

1378
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 15: The way he's always played has been and show and

1379
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 15: extending plays, and he's done some special things. I mean,

1380
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 15: last year we all wrote stories about it. You know,

1381
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,480
Speaker 15: he really wanted to put an emphasis on making unscripted

1382
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 15: plays and he did an outstanding job of it last season. Unfortunately,

1383
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 15: trying to do one this year is what got him heard.

1384
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 15: And so how many times you go back to that

1385
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 15: well and say, all right, I just can't keep putting

1386
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 15: myself at risk here.

1387
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 7: I honestly don't know what he's gonna do. I don't

1388
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 7: know if he's going to try to.

1389
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 15: Play the way the old Joe Burrow played or if

1390
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 15: it's I did live and learn a little bit. I

1391
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 15: saw some things that I think I can incorporate into

1392
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 15: my game to extend my shelf life. And again that's

1393
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 15: what I would say. We're going to find that out

1394
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 15: between now at the end of the season.

1395
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 3: And even bigger concern is the run game has looked

1396
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 3: pretty nice of like, especially now we only had the

1397
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,480
Speaker 3: number one run defense in the NFL. I thought Cincinnati

1398
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 3: controlled New England at the point of attack in a

1399
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 3: lot of that game that has to continue, right, Like

1400
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 3: going back to you know, your running back gets ten

1401
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 3: carries for twenty seven yards. That that's that can't work anymore.

1402
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 15: No, And I think some of it's due to the

1403
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 15: offensive line has has has gotten better. Some of it

1404
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 15: has been due to the way Flacco plays and going

1405
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 15: under center. You know, some of it in the in

1406
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 15: the in the New England game there without Milton Williams,

1407
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 15: the defensive tack where they spent a gazillion dollars on

1408
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 15: to to come in and he was a tour to

1409
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 15: force up front, so that probably helped a little bit.

1410
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 15: But to your point, you know, they really did control

1411
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 15: the line of scrimmage against the number one run defense

1412
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 15: in the NFL.

1413
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 7: It was given up eighty two yards a game.

1414
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 3: Defensively, things looked not terrible. Is that the best way? Like,

1415
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 3: I think we have been beaten and battered so bad

1416
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 3: watching this defense that uh, maybe are ore. You know,

1417
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 3: it's like people always say, hey, the pizza we had

1418
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 3: when we were kids were was good. No, you just

1419
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 3: didn't know what good pizza tasted like when we were

1420
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 3: kids because there were no good pizza places, so when

1421
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 3: you had good pizza, you're like, oh damn. They looked

1422
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 3: better against New England. Is there a building point from

1423
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 3: there for the rest of the season for this group

1424
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 3: to show they do have some guys that you can

1425
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 3: you can build with.

1426
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1427
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 3: Maybe DJ Turner you can build around, but you need

1428
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 3: guys you can build with.

1429
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 15: No question, and you know you would, you hope. So

1430
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 15: I think they had three missed tackles as a team

1431
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 15: in this past game. Derek Carter looked a little at

1432
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 15: least look presentable, like he knew what he was doing.

1433
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 6: You know.

1434
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 15: Genostone had had a good game. He had a misread

1435
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 15: on a touchdown pass, but otherwise had a pretty game.

1436
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 7: He stuck his nose in there in the run game.

1437
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 15: But Al Golden maybe ad just a little bit more.

1438
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 15: I mean it looked like you saw a little a

1439
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 15: few more blitzes, especially from Genostone, like I can't get

1440
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 15: pressure with four, I'm gun just have to do it,

1441
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 15: and I'm going to do it more often. And maybe

1442
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 15: he finally was willing to bend to that.

1443
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:54,759
Speaker 7: I mean, the first two games.

1444
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 15: Out of the Buy Your Chad, they've given up twenty

1445
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 15: points and nineteen points as a unit. You know, unfortunately,

1446
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 15: the Steelers scored two defensive touchdowns and the New England

1447
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 15: scored a defensive touchdown. But the defense itself is only

1448
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 15: given up thirty nine points in the last two games.

1449
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 15: Hasn't given up four under yards in the last two games.

1450
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 15: I know, who, I know, I'm giving you an extraordinarily

1451
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 15: low bar to shoot at. But it has been at

1452
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 15: least statistically better. And again from the disaster of not

1453
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 15: tackling in Pittsburgh to tackling the way they did against

1454
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 15: New England, maybe that's a that's a nice step forward.

1455
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 15: I think that's all you can look forwards the rest

1456
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 15: of the season unfolds.

1457
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 3: Is it just a matter of look what I just

1458
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 3: stop letting teams score like forty three points a game.

1459
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 15: I mean it was it looked ugly and they're even

1460
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 15: parts of the Pittsburgh game. You know, they did an

1461
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 15: okay job against Pittsburgh. Parts of that game looked the

1462
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 15: New England game, it looked I mean, they looked physical

1463
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 15: on defense for the most part, it looked like they

1464
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 15: knew where they wanted to line up and go. You

1465
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 15: other than genostone going and trying to cover a running

1466
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 15: back in the flat that was already covered and letting

1467
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 15: Hunter Henry go down the sideline for a touchdown. I

1468
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 15: mean they looked like they knew where they were they

1469
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 15: were supposed to be, and some of it they were

1470
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 15: helped by Dray I mean, Drake May is not very

1471
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 15: good for the first probably quarter and a half. I

1472
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 15: mean missed wildly a lot of times. But I thought

1473
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 15: they at least showed some pulse.

1474
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 3: Does Gino Stone hate the dots?

1475
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 15: They expose him?

1476
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 4: Boy?

1477
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 3: The dots, Like is there anybody in the NFL that's

1478
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 3: more The dots are more unkind to than Gino Stone?

1479
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 8: Correct?

1480
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 7: Correct?

1481
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 15: I love the I do love the dots, man, as

1482
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 15: much as you know you want to replay a play

1483
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 15: on you know, on.

1484
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 7: Paper whatever to see what it is the dots.

1485
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 15: The dots you can follow.

1486
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 7: Man, It's like, oh, okay, I see what he did there?

1487
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 15: Yep? Not good?

1488
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 3: Oh that that guy ended up over here, and boy,

1489
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 3: that is not where he should have been. No, are

1490
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 3: we just the rest of the season, no matter how

1491
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 3: good this defense gets, like the tight end is just

1492
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 3: going to dominate the Cincinnati Bengals no matter what.

1493
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 6: Like I.

1494
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 15: It's a good thing.

1495
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 7: Bultimore, it's a good thing.

1496
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 15: Baltimore doesn't have any good tight ends, right at.

1497
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 7: Least a good thing. Wait, no they do.

1498
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, they have like a Hall of Fame

1499
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 3: tight end that's not even their best then damn yeah correct, yeah, sill.

1500
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 15: We'll see what that looks like this week.

1501
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 7: But it feels like But that goes back to, you.

1502
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 15: Know, line doctors and safeties, who primarily covers tight ends?

1503
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 15: Right linebackers and safeties. What's probably the weakest link of

1504
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,839
Speaker 15: a week defense right now? Two rookie linebackers in the safeties.

1505
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 3: How much does these do these last six games determine

1506
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 3: the fate of Zach Taylor or are you of the

1507
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 3: belief he's he's back next year no matter what.

1508
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 15: I'm of the belief he's back next year, no matter what.

1509
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 15: But if it gets ugly with Burrow, like if you

1510
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 15: if you keep losing games in ugly fashion and you've

1511
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 15: got your guy back, that.

1512
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 7: Probably doesn't bode well.

1513
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 15: But if they look competent, and you know, the offense

1514
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 15: for the most part has looked competent, sure, and you're

1515
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 15: expecting them.

1516
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 7: To be at least as if not more with Burrow.

1517
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 15: If things go crazy sideways and it looks like guys

1518
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 15: that quit and all those things, then maybe, But you know,

1519
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 15: I thought that was Marvin Lewis in twenty seventeen, and

1520
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 15: they bought him back in twenty eighteen. Unfortunately didn't go

1521
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 15: very well, but they did bring him back. I think

1522
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 15: he gets at least another year. I do. He's got

1523
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 15: one more year in his contract, and I think that's

1524
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 15: what they'll at the moment. I don't think he'll get

1525
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 15: extended by any stretch. I think they'll let it play out.

1526
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 3: And do same deal completely safe.

1527
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 15: You think that one's on the table, in my opinion,

1528
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 15: really that one's on the table.

1529
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 3: They consider him family, right, they do. That's the Bengals motto.

1530
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 3: When you're here your family.

1531
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 15: Brado Corleoni was family too, and they took him out

1532
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 15: on the lake.

1533
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 4: That was a movie.

1534
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 7: He was family, he was he was.

1535
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 3: Let's switch to rads for a minute here, skinny. We

1536
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 3: continue to hear Hunter Green's name pop up in trade talks.

1537
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 3: They clearly are not going to break the bank and

1538
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 3: go get a big bat and free agency. Kyle Schwarber's

1539
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 3: not happening. Is Hunter Green the only the only, like,

1540
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 3: uh effective, efficient way to make this offense better given

1541
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,759
Speaker 3: the corner that they have backed themselves in in building

1542
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:24,480
Speaker 3: a roster.

1543
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 15: I would say probably, But I also look and go, man,

1544
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 15: when that dude's good, he is an agency and we've

1545
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 15: got him at a cost. We've got him at a

1546
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 15: cost control that we kind of set the price point

1547
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 15: out a few years ago. Remember the Reds were really

1548
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 15: poo pooed for that move, right, like, what are they doing?

1549
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:41,759
Speaker 7: This is stupid?

1550
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 15: Yes, now it looks genius, but it also I think

1551
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 15: makes him tradable because of the contract situation, Like he's

1552
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 15: not close to free agency. He you know, his current

1553
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,600
Speaker 15: contract doesn't exactly you know, bust the bank for a

1554
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 15: for a for a bona fide ace one healthy, And

1555
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 15: so I think that that makes him tradable. I just

1556
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 15: don't know if I would do it, because I just

1557
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 15: you brought this guy into the system, and you've watched

1558
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 15: him grow, you've watched him develop. I know there's been

1559
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 15: frustration with the injuries. He didn't pitch well in the

1560
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,560
Speaker 15: playoff game, but man, he's still among the best in

1561
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 15: the game when he's right.

1562
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 3: How much do you worry about he's four full MLB seasons,

1563
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 3: He's never thrown over one hundred and fifty innings, and

1564
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,560
Speaker 3: the most he has made in terms of number of

1565
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 3: starts is twenty six, twenty six, twenty four to twenty

1566
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 3: two nineteen. Not having your ace for seven, eight, ten,

1567
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 3: twelve games a year is really.

1568
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 15: Difficult, it is, But I think that's just the state

1569
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 15: of baseball today. I mean, good mistakes. I don't have

1570
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 15: it in front of me, but how many guys does

1571
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 15: a Dodger start this year? And I know you can

1572
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 15: give me the argument the Dodgers can to afford that,

1573
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,759
Speaker 15: and they can, but I think that's a state of baseball.

1574
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 15: I mean, honestly, I think you better have ten major

1575
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 15: league level starting pitchers ready when you go into a season,

1576
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 15: because it feels like every team it goes through this.

1577
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 15: You know, there's there's an occasional, rare guy that makes

1578
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 15: his thirty three or thirty four starts a year, but

1579
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 15: those guys are outliers. Man, it feels like it just

1580
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 15: about every team. You better have a bunch of guys

1581
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 15: that you can cycle through because it's just a state.

1582
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 7: Of pitching today.

1583
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 3: It makes it even crazier thinking back to what seven

1584
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 3: eight years ago when the Reds literally had all five

1585
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 3: of their starters make every.

1586
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 7: Start Yep, it's crazy, and yeah, that's crazy.

1587
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 3: So it feels like that's one of those like we'll

1588
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,560
Speaker 3: never see that again, doesn't it correct? Yes, because the

1589
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 3: guy up that little little tightness in the uh in

1590
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 3: the in the shoulder, sit it out for ten days,

1591
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 3: we'll see in two weeks, not going to pitch through it.

1592
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 3: To pitch through it Ellie. Jeff Carr said this earlier.

1593
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 3: I think it was hilarious. Did Ellie get his one

1594
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 3: sixty two merit badge? And are we done with like

1595
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 3: that narrative that he has he wants to play one

1596
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 3: sixty two?

1597
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 4: Stop it?

1598
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 15: I mean, that's that's what listen. I know people have

1599
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 15: talked about, you know, protecting Joe Burrow from himself, the

1600
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,639
Speaker 15: Reds needed to protect ellidelther Cruise from himself. I mean, goodness, gracious,

1601
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 15: you could see how compromised he was the loss of power.

1602
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 15: It'd be one thing that he was striking out of

1603
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 15: the high rate with the loss of power, but it

1604
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 15: was really just a loss of power without a high

1605
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 15: strikeout rate. And it's because he was I think he

1606
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 15: was just he was whipped, he was playing hurt. You know,

1607
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 15: all those things that some time off would have would

1608
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 15: have helped, in my opinion, and I think they have

1609
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 15: to do that. They got a man's that better moving forward.

1610
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 15: I mean, if you want to sit him out a

1611
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 15: start and use him as a late inning pinch runner

1612
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 15: or a late inning back, okay, that's fine, and it

1613
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 15: gets him, you know, an extra game or two.

1614
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 6: You're not doing it just to do it.

1615
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:40,600
Speaker 15: But I'm just saying, you know, you can still use

1616
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 15: him in that kind of a role. But I just

1617
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 15: think to keep trotting him out night after night after night,

1618
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 15: just it woreing down, especially the way he plays.

1619
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,759
Speaker 3: Look, skinny, I could tear a ligament in my pinky

1620
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 3: and I would be out for a month. To tear

1621
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 3: a muscle in your quad. And then the thing that

1622
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 3: made me really mad was was Nick Krawl coming out

1623
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 3: and saying he didn't it wasn't a partial tear. It

1624
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 3: was a strain. Nick, We know that a partial tear

1625
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 3: is a strain. You're not fooling anybody, buddy, stop it.

1626
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 15: Well, it's a good thing he doesn't play the demanding

1627
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 15: defenses right, And.

1628
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 3: His defense was great over the last two and a

1629
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 3: half months.

1630
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 15: Yeah, no, I listen, I just I think you got

1631
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 15: to save the guy for himself. It's admirable. Listen, we

1632
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 15: can all look into man's adable. You want to play

1633
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 15: every day and it was great when Pete Rose did it,

1634
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 15: or Steve Garby did it, or cala Rivkin didn't follow.

1635
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:33,719
Speaker 15: Is okay, that's all alone. That's a different time, different places,

1636
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 15: and everybody's different, right. I mean, those guys, maybe we're

1637
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,719
Speaker 15: physically able to do that. I don't think Kelly's body

1638
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 15: is made to do that. And don't don't let enforce

1639
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 15: the situation. Just say, guy, you're sitting down tonight, just

1640
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:47,719
Speaker 15: have a good night, and we'll see tomorrow.

1641
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 3: We'll try to get you in later. The other thing

1642
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 3: was it wasn't just the power. He wasn't stealing bases.

1643
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 7: Either, right, correct, It was all amiss, Like you know,

1644
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 7: that is.

1645
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 3: One of those things. And I guess Tito's just not

1646
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 3: a a big aggressive on the base pass guy. But

1647
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 3: if you look back two years ago, like this team

1648
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 3: was still pretty good taking extra bases, and they did

1649
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,680
Speaker 3: none of that with with one of the most the

1650
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 3: fact maybe the fastest or second fastest guy in the game.

1651
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 15: It's and it would be hard to believe Elie daily

1652
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:23,560
Speaker 15: Cruz does not have a green light. I mean it

1653
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 15: may be the occasional pull up the stop sign and

1654
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 15: say not here, not now. You know, two outs in

1655
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 15: an inning and we want this guy to swing the no.

1656
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 14: No.

1657
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 15: For the most part, I would guess he's got the

1658
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 15: green light anytime he wants to go, and his body

1659
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 15: told him, you're not going real quick.

1660
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 3: On UC football, how big is Saturday for Scott Saderfield.

1661
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 15: I just think it's big because you have its potential

1662
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 15: if you lose Saturday to go lose a bowl game.

1663
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 15: And after all the where this was of taking these

1664
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 15: steps forward, you finished at seven sick. Now he's going

1665
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 15: to be back and he deserves to be back, and

1666
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 15: he got into a bowl game.

1667
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 7: I thought that was minimal goal for this year and

1668
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 7: if he could do that, so boy for another season.

1669
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 15: You've seen it collapse into calamity the last couple of

1670
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 15: years and this one collapsing into just barely hanging on

1671
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 15: to a winning record. I can't leave a good days.

1672
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, fan base is not gonna be happy if they

1673
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 3: don't get this win Saturday that's for sure, and I.

1674
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:11,759
Speaker 7: Think it's gonna be really difficult.

1675
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, man, appreciate it. Skenny, you have a

1676
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 3: great Thanksgiving YouTube. All right, there we go, Richard Skinner

1677
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Speaker 3: Logo twelve.

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Speaker 4: Take a break.

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Speaker 3: All Right, welcome back, closing out hour three final segment

1696
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:35,720
Speaker 3: of the day, we will head out to Keegan Nicholson,

1697
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 3: who is getting ready to watch the Bearcats take on

1698
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 3: Eastern Michigan at seven o'clock Thanksgiving tomorrow. Bengals pep rally

1699
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 3: or what's on Friday? Is Bengals pep Rally still on Friday?

1700
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 3: Taren Okay, Bengals pep rally on Friday. So not a

1701
01:34:57,080 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 3: chance to talk about the Bearcats and TCU between now

1702
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 3: and then on this show. So let's talk a little

1703
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 3: Bearcats basketball tonight. Let's talk a little Bearcats football on

1704
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 3: Saturday with Keegan nickoson beat writer for me at Bearcat

1705
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 3: Journal dot com. You were listening to e forty before

1706
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 3: right before Tarn called you, weren't you.

1707
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 5: Yes, I always have a forty on me like it's

1708
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 5: my mini me.

1709
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that sounds about right. Like every time I

1710
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 3: see you, you've got a forty.

1711
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 8: Two of them taped my hands.

1712
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 3: Keegan, it's a it's a big one for Scott Satderfield

1713
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 3: on Saturday. Look, I know fans are upset over the

1714
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 3: last three weeks that they have not been able to

1715
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 3: get that elusive eighth win. How different is the narrative

1716
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 3: this offseason. With a win Saturday versus a loss on Saturday.

1717
01:35:58,120 --> 01:35:59,679
Speaker 13: I think it's hugely different.

1718
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 8: But I think if they're.

1719
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,600
Speaker 13: Able to win Saturday, I kind of like their chances.

1720
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 5: Of obviously getting the better bowl game, but also winning

1721
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 5: that bowl game because I feel like the mood shift

1722
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 5: within the locker room would also be significant, Like that's

1723
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 5: I feel like that's something we're not talking.

1724
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 8: About a lot.

1725
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 5: I don't know how much longer he's going to be

1726
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 5: able to sell the players on the team about, Hey,

1727
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 5: we're building, like we're building towards something.

1728
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 8: Just stick around.

1729
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 5: We're building towards something after three years of kind of

1730
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 5: falling short. So I think it's huge, and I think

1731
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 5: that they should have a good chance to win because

1732
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:40,560
Speaker 5: they're not playing one of the best defenses in the

1733
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,760
Speaker 5: Big Twelve, and that's not an excuse for them at all.

1734
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 5: I think they should have went to and one out

1735
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 5: of their last three at the end of the day.

1736
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 5: But you know, I think it's great for transfer portal

1737
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:55,640
Speaker 5: momentum and how guys view the program and how they

1738
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 5: could take a step next year.

1739
01:36:57,160 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 8: But I think it's going to be difficult because I

1740
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:01,719
Speaker 8: think it's.

1741
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 5: Gonna be really hard to get together a better roster

1742
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 5: talent wise than what they had this year.

1743
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:08,880
Speaker 8: Given the resources that they've been given.

1744
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 3: TCUs offense has kind of been hot and cold here

1745
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 3: of late. They still have a really good quarterback and

1746
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 3: Josh Hoover. They've got a couple really talented wide receivers. Defensively,

1747
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 3: how does this stack up for Cincinnati because on paper

1748
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:28,639
Speaker 3: it looks like it could be a problem.

1749
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean defensively for uc I think they're gonna

1750
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:37,559
Speaker 5: play it similar to how they played against Baylor. That's

1751
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 5: what Scott Sanderfield said on his radio show last night.

1752
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 5: So you know, kind of keep tabs on the run,

1753
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 5: but they're really devoted to shutting down the pass.

1754
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 8: Which I think this defense has success in.

1755
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 5: And you know, like we've said, they're from the twenty

1756
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 5: to the twenty, they're going to be able to move

1757
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 5: the ball. But then what happens in the red area

1758
01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 5: or in the red zone, like are your fourteen field

1759
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 5: goals or are you giving upfield goals?

1760
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 8: Because you've also.

1761
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 5: Seen and versely how that impacts the offense, Like if

1762
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 5: you give up field goals, the offense is playing with

1763
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 5: confidence to give up touchdowns and the offense starts to

1764
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 5: press to play calling gets a little bit conservative maybe,

1765
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 5: and then the mistakes happen. So I think this game

1766
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 5: could be decided in the first quarter. TCU has struggled

1767
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 5: to score in the first quarter. I just got done

1768
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 5: talking with Jamie Plunkett, who covers tc for two four seven,

1769
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 5: and I think the Houston game was the first time

1770
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 5: they'd scored in the first quarter out of their last

1771
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 5: seven contests.

1772
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 8: So if you can keep them off the scoreboard in

1773
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 8: those first fifteen minutes.

1774
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 5: And you can take maybe a two possession lead. I

1775
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 5: think forced TCU to play from behind. Josh houvers from

1776
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 5: thirteen interceptions this year, so you see show have a

1777
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 5: really good chance to do something they've done so few times.

1778
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 8: This year and force some turnovers.

1779
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of talk about Brendan Storesby. He

1780
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 3: didn't play well against Utah, didn't play all that well

1781
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 3: against Arizona. I thought he bounced back pretty well against BYU.

1782
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 3: How important is this week for him just emotionally, maybe

1783
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 3: even to go home to play in front of family,

1784
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 3: to play well and get this team back in the

1785
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 3: wing column.

1786
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's hugely important.

1787
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 5: I've seen some tweets about like this is how he's

1788
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 5: played when they've lost and he hasn't played well, and

1789
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, yeah, that's how the quarterback plays. Is

1790
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 5: pretty linear to winning and losing games, especially in the

1791
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 5: Big twelve, Like if your quarterback isn't playing well, they're

1792
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 5: going to lose.

1793
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 8: And at this point they've only lost four games.

1794
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 5: But I also feel like he doesn't have a ton

1795
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 5: to prove to really anyone besides maybe scouts. I think

1796
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 5: he's done more than what people have expected him to do.

1797
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 5: What you see, he still makes really really good throws,

1798
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 5: sure the anticipation, quick release.

1799
01:39:58,439 --> 01:39:59,719
Speaker 8: He's been a really good leader.

1800
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:03,560
Speaker 5: So I think it's big for him personally because this

1801
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 5: is where he's from. He's going to have a ton

1802
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:07,600
Speaker 5: of people there watching him and just to make his

1803
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 5: hometown proud. But you know, I think, like you said,

1804
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 5: he didn't play good against Utah, and he didn't play

1805
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 5: good against Arizona, but played really good against Baylor. Three

1806
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 5: hundred yards, sixty six percent of his passes were completed,

1807
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 5: made some big throws. So I'm looking for him to

1808
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:27,439
Speaker 5: really bounce back against the defense that kind of sets

1809
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 5: up for him to have.

1810
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 3: A lot of success for Scott Saderfield alone. How much

1811
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 3: goodwill does eight and four? Eight and four by over

1812
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:41,599
Speaker 3: seven and five as we go into yeah, pivotal offseason

1813
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 3: for the coach.

1814
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 5: I think eight and four gets kind of like a okay,

1815
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 5: good work. You know you were on track to being

1816
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 5: the Big twelve championship, but you know you fell short.

1817
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 5: This is some good momentum for next season versus seven

1818
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 5: and five is basically continued, like apathy from the fan

1819
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 5: base and a lot of people were kind of saying,

1820
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,560
Speaker 5: you know, this is a bad year, like it's a

1821
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 5: disappointing year.

1822
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:08,640
Speaker 8: I'm not going to get to the point where I

1823
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 8: say it's a fan.

1824
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 5: Based on how you started the season, based off how

1825
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:17,559
Speaker 5: you sold this roster to everyone, you should have finished

1826
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,720
Speaker 5: better than seven and five. And coming into the year,

1827
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 5: I thought seven and five was their floor and nine

1828
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 5: and three was maybe their ceiling.

1829
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:27,720
Speaker 8: And then they start playing and you're thinking, okay, like

1830
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:30,720
Speaker 8: ten and two is really in the cards. Especially that

1831
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 8: was just why you at home? That was just you, Yeah,

1832
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 8: that was just me everyone.

1833
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:38,639
Speaker 13: Else because they're perpetually negative.

1834
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 3: I predicted seven and five.

1835
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 5: Okay, So I mean I started the season nine and

1836
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:50,120
Speaker 5: oh on this addiction you did, so I kind.

1837
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 8: Of know what I'm talking about a little bit. But yeah,

1838
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:54,959
Speaker 8: I just think.

1839
01:41:56,360 --> 01:42:00,639
Speaker 5: It's it's a it's a pretty big difference, even though

1840
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 5: it's just one game, and I think the bowl game

1841
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 5: that they can get in and if they can win

1842
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 5: is it's not the difference in the end of the season.

1843
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 5: Perception is much more decided by this game than whatever

1844
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 5: they do in the bowl game because of how many

1845
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 5: factors there are in that.

1846
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 3: Look, let's just be honest. A win means it's more

1847
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 3: likely they go to the Pop Tarts Bowl, and that's

1848
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 3: really all any of us want.

1849
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:27,320
Speaker 8: You. I want to go to Shreveport. I've never been

1850
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 8: to Shreveport before.

1851
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:34,200
Speaker 3: I'll send you to shrepport one way ticket, Kegan one

1852
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 3: way ticket to Shreadport. Basketball wise, what can we look

1853
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 3: for tonight against Eastern Michigan? Is a Moni bait still there?

1854
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1855
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 8: I don't think so. I think he was.

1856
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 5: Last time I heard his name he was on the

1857
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:52,720
Speaker 5: cav G League team, So I don't really know what

1858
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 5: he's up to. Biggest thing I'm looking for would be Seanabayev.

1859
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:02,719
Speaker 5: I think what he showed as an offensive alpha against

1860
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:05,680
Speaker 5: n j T was pretty impressive. He's he was an

1861
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 5: alpha when he stepped on campus in terms of his

1862
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 5: offensive play, but actually being able to exercise that with

1863
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:15,639
Speaker 5: bobon Miller out was good to see. And then I'm

1864
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 5: also looking at Jordi Rodriguez. Is he able to stack

1865
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 5: some games and show Wes Miller but he can be

1866
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 5: that consistent part of the rotation. And I think more

1867
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 5: important than you know, making three or four frees is

1868
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:30,840
Speaker 5: how he competes defensively and going after loose balls, which

1869
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 5: he did against nj T. So you know, I'm also

1870
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 5: looking what are they doing with bobon Miller.

1871
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 13: But to be perfectly honest, I'd be shocked if he played.

1872
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 5: Given west Miller's comments after the game on Monday, and

1873
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 5: given the context of you have Xavier at the end

1874
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:47,960
Speaker 5: of next week.

1875
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:51,200
Speaker 3: I think there's probably a better chance Wes Miller lets

1876
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 3: you suit up over putting bobon Miller out there tonight.

1877
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 4: You ready to go?

1878
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:01,320
Speaker 3: No, you're not ready to go?

1879
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:03,760
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm not ready to go.

1880
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 3: But what would you play the three?

1881
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:06,720
Speaker 4: The two?

1882
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:10,960
Speaker 5: I would probably just play a really really physical four

1883
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 5: in just throw elbows and pick up fowls.

1884
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 8: See if I can knock somebody out of the game.

1885
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 3: You're one of the old Kelvin Samson, John Cheney Goods.

1886
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 3: Just this guy's got five thousand, he's gonna go use them.

1887
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:27,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, all right, man.

1888
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 3: It is uh, it is always a pleasure and uh

1889
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 3: looking forward to seeing you tonight. What what's your We're

1890
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:36,720
Speaker 3: gonna get to this in a minute. What's what's your

1891
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 3: take on Thanksgiving sides?

1892
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 4: Kegan?

1893
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:42,240
Speaker 13: My take on Thanksgiving sides?

1894
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:44,280
Speaker 2: Is it all?

1895
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 5: It starts with green bean castrole. A good green bean

1896
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 5: castrole can make or break a Thanksgiving.

1897
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:52,959
Speaker 8: And then you put the mashed.

1898
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 5: Potatoes next to it, you put the dinner roll, and

1899
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 5: then you have turkey, and then you coat the entire

1900
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 5: plate in gravy, and then you you go get another

1901
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:05,320
Speaker 5: dinner roll, and you sop up all the gravy with

1902
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 5: the dinner roll.

1903
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:07,560
Speaker 4: And that's it.

1904
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 8: How many of you do that two or three more times?

1905
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:13,919
Speaker 3: How many times a year do you eat green bean casserole?

1906
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:17,679
Speaker 8: How many times a year do you eat pulled ham?

1907
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:24,320
Speaker 3: I eat ham a lot. I mean, like I don't

1908
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:27,840
Speaker 3: need pork shoulder A couple of times a year. The

1909
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:30,680
Speaker 3: pulled ham is just because I got tired of doing

1910
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 3: regular ham, and I eat regular ham all the time.

1911
01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 3: You didn't answer the question how many times a year

1912
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 3: do you eat green bean casserole?

1913
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 5: I don't exactly know what a straw man argument is,

1914
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 5: but I feel like this is one of those.

1915
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:45,600
Speaker 6: Now.

1916
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 3: I think it's a It's a very pertinent argument. If

1917
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 3: you loved green bean casserole at some time in March,

1918
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 3: you would be like, you know what sounds good. I'm

1919
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 3: a rock some green bean casserole tonight, and.

1920
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:58,880
Speaker 5: From now on I'm just gonna like post on Twitter

1921
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 5: whenever I make it. You and stop making this stupid argument.

1922
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not wrong, you don't make it and

1923
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 3: you only have it once a year? Right or wrong?

1924
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:07,559
Speaker 12: Kegan?

1925
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:11,679
Speaker 3: How many times a year do you eat green bean casserole.

1926
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 8: Once?

1927
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:15,599
Speaker 3: If it was good, you need it more than once.

1928
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:17,880
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying. That's my only argument.

1929
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:21,679
Speaker 8: My taste buds have no freedom of speech.

1930
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:26,639
Speaker 3: All right, man, I'll see you tonight.

1931
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:28,759
Speaker 8: Thank you, Sea.

1932
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:31,400
Speaker 3: All right, thanks Gigs, that's gonna do it. I am

1933
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 3: out of here. I will be back on Friday noon

1934
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:38,559
Speaker 3: to three. Since E three sixty Tarran and I back

1935
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 3: on the ones and twos and everybody have a wonderful

1936
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:45,400
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving and we will see you on the flip side.

1937
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:50,160
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Speaker 10: southbound seventy one seventy five after Buttermilk Pike, the right

1947
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 10: lane blocked off that is from a disabled vehicle. About

1948
01:47:34,120 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 10: of fifteen minute delay right now from twelfth Street. Also

1949
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 10: some stop and go traffic on southbound seventy five between

1950
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:43,959
Speaker 10: Ezer Charles Drive and Fort Washington Way. On at Ezelic

1951
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:44,639
Speaker 10: with traffic.

1952
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:48,360
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1953
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:50,760
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1954
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,479
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1955
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1956
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1957
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1958
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:05,120
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1959
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:08,599
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1960
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:12,479
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1961
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:15,920
Speaker 17: holiday gift is now at an unbelievable price.

1962
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:16,559
Speaker 4: Check this out.

1963
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 17: Two carrot lab grown diamond studs four hundred and ninety

1964
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 17: nine dollars three carrots seven ninety nine, even a four

1965
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 17: carrot pair of diamond studs just nine to ninety nine.

1966
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 17: You have never seen certifying diamond studs at prices like these.

1967
01:48:31,439 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 17: Other jewelers charge up to four times as much. Guys,

1968
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 17: this is simple. Stud earrings really are the perfect gift.

1969
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:41,080
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1970
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 17: day or for special occasions. So just imagine her opening

1971
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:48,599
Speaker 17: up four carrot diamond stud earrings that you paid less

1972
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:52,160
Speaker 17: than one thousand dollars for. It's remarkable when you think

1973
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:55,120
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1974
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:58,760
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1975
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 17: Hurry in two care stud earrings four ninety nine, three

1976
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:07,000
Speaker 17: Carrots seven ninety nine, four Carrots nine ninety nine This Friday,

1977
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:11,639
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1978
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