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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Let's kick this hour off as we do each and

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Speaker 1: every Thursday, with the man covering the Cincinnati Bearcats for

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Speaker 1: Bearcat Journal dot Com and Boots on the Ground in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: Kegan Nikison. What's up, Keegan?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 4: I am doing excellent, Tony? How have you been?

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Speaker 2: I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious. Did Chad like put you up in a

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Speaker 1: hotel in India? You're making the commute each day.

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Speaker 4: No, he's got me the what is it, the nicest

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Speaker 4: suite at the JW.

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Speaker 5: Marriott.

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Speaker 4: Oh, so he didn't really cash him out for me

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Speaker 4: on this trip.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I had money.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Barkat Journal crushing it.

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Speaker 3: Although west Miller Discourse has led to some success.

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Speaker 1: Oh, let's start with the combine. We'll get to hoops

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Speaker 1: and obviously what's going on with Brendan Soarsby as well.

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Speaker 1: But you've been around yesterday, Dante Corleone, Jake Golday, Joe

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Speaker 1: Royer today. Any big takeaways from having a chance to

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Speaker 1: listen to the Bearcats at the combine.

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Speaker 4: No, not a ton of huge takeaways and attendance, like

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Speaker 4: important or stuff that we haven't really heard. I think

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Speaker 4: Jake Golday's situation is interesting to me because he's kind

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Speaker 4: of he's going to be playing sort of a different

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Speaker 4: position at linebacker.

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Speaker 5: In the NFL, he played.

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Speaker 4: A lot of Sam at uc with the premium front,

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Speaker 4: so he was kind of flexible, could line up on

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Speaker 5: A little bit.

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Speaker 4: But I just think his skill set and mix the production,

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Speaker 4: like he had one hundred and four tackles his past year,

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Speaker 4: he wants to run a.

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Speaker 5: Four or five forty his size.

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Speaker 4: I just feel like a GM would kind of be

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Speaker 4: a full to pass up on him if if they're

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Speaker 4: linebacker needy, especially a team in Cincinnati like the Bengals,

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Speaker 4: who as of yesterday hadn't yet met with gold Ay,

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Speaker 4: so I would love to see him stay in the city.

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Speaker 4: Joe Royer's story is obviously awesome, lost his mom, his

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Speaker 4: thirty year Ohio State and lost his love for the

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Speaker 4: game of football, transferred back home to Cincinnati and told

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Speaker 4: us today that he kind of rediscovered it, saying with

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Speaker 4: the Bearcats, and part of it might be going back home.

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Speaker 4: Part of that might be, you know, it's it's way

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Speaker 4: more fun to be the go to guy in an

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Speaker 4: only getting.

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Speaker 5: Like fixed receptions.

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Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't say go to.

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Speaker 5: We're getting to that, Tony, all right.

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Speaker 4: So someone asked him about that, and you know kind

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Speaker 4: of what led to it. And this dude he came

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Speaker 4: with receipts. He was like, so, I got a few

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Speaker 4: stats for you, and he's like, we were lasting time

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Speaker 4: of possession, running a lot of RPO. We had a

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Speaker 4: so I had to protect a bunch.

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Speaker 5: So I'm hoping that.

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Speaker 4: This past year definitely danged his draft block a little bit.

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Speaker 4: He was rumored to be a first round pick. He'll

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Speaker 4: probably go more in the fourth or fifth round range

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Speaker 4: if I had the guests, But I think just at Golda,

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Speaker 4: he's got the skill set and the size and the

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Speaker 1: How do you project these guys as NBA NFL draft picks?

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Speaker 1: Because you can make the argument Keegan when he's healthy

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Speaker 1: and when he's in the game, Dante Corleone disrupts everything

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Speaker 1: injuries are obviously a concern. Gold Day's an absolute physical freak,

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Speaker 1: going into the year had this huge upside. Some had

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Speaker 4: If I had to go stealing wise, I think it's

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Speaker 5: He's played a lot of sam he.

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Speaker 4: Could probably slide over to will and he can line

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Speaker 4: Dante's interesting to me because he mainly played in the

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Speaker 4: But in those one on ones you saw how he

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Speaker 4: think Joe, if he can stay on the field as

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Speaker 4: But I think it for me, if Jake Golden is

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Speaker 4: the Hall of Famer one day, it would really surprise me.

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Speaker 4: And I said that since the first spraying or fall

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Speaker 1: I wonder because I saw a list yesterday of combine snubs.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of folks that believe Cyrus Allen should

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Speaker 1: be at the combine when a player has skipped over

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Speaker 1: in that sense, does that sometimes maybe add fuel to

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Speaker 1: Cyrus Allen because I still project him if he lands

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I think it should add fuel. And I

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Speaker 4: don't really know exactly what goes into the process of

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Speaker 4: for me to understand why you can't give the Big

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Speaker 4: the skill set that he showed and kind of what

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Speaker 5: GMS love guys who.

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Speaker 4: Get open, because if you can get open, you can

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Speaker 4: and that's what he does better than anyone in the

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Speaker 4: he was able to build with Brennon Sooresby in.

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Speaker 5: Just one year. I think that, like Golde.

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Speaker 4: Sets him up for a lot of success and I

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Speaker 1: Any other Bearcats that outside of those four that you

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Speaker 4: I think if anyone can capitalize up for Pro Day,

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Speaker 4: it's Jeff Caldwell because I think he had a eleven

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Speaker 4: forward to seeing his numbers where he is at the

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Speaker 2: Let's switch gears a little bit.

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Speaker 1: The quarterback of the Bearcats the last two seasons will

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Speaker 1: be at Texas Tech this year is being sued by

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Speaker 1: the University of Cincinnati. Brendan Swaresby versus now the University

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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. What do you know about this so far?

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Speaker 1: And maybe early on in this process what this looks

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's kind of funny to me that this

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Speaker 4: because when you really boil it down, it's just breach

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Speaker 4: after he signed the deal following the twenty twenty four season,

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Speaker 4: that he would have to pay a million dollar BIO

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Speaker 4: because it was either I don't know if there was

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Speaker 4: just saying, look, Cincinnati's being very mean by doing this,

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Speaker 4: just well, he made them so much money as the quarterback,

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Speaker 4: like that's a million dollars right to a team like Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: That's three starters, maybe four starters for the Cincinnati Bearcats.

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Speaker 4: So it's extremely important to them. And I just think

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Speaker 4: to contracts and take every contract to court, it's going

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Speaker 1: I think it was Chad On on a podcast that

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Speaker 1: actually said it. It to me like we're already in

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Speaker 1: uncharted to uncharted territory. We're already in the term that

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Speaker 1: Austin loves to use, the Wild West with where we're at.

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Speaker 1: If if the contracts that these players are signing, that

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Speaker 1: If those if those don't hold up, then then what

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Speaker 1: are we doing? And how would this ever have any

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I even think about the coach's buyout stuff

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Speaker 4: like at least Kansas State said, look, he embarrassed our team,

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Speaker 4: lay that out. And even even they were getting toasted

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Speaker 5: To do that.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, you just don't see these buyouts fought very often.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of an understanding and it's almost like Brendan

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Speaker 5: Tried to get away with it.

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Speaker 4: Maybe not exactly sure, but yeah, I think Cincinnati's going

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Speaker 4: It's kind of throw to at Christian Anderson, which Wes

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Speaker 4: just because how they can spread teams out, especially against

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Speaker 1: That being said, they have a matchup Saturday at home

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Speaker 4: I think if they I don't know the exact math

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Speaker 1: It before we let you go, Keegan. For Wes Miller,

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Speaker 1: what does this mean? What does this change? If they

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Speaker 4: I think if they went out the regular season and

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Speaker 1: Now are you are you heading home after today? Are

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Speaker 4: Jeff Caldwell talks tomorrow at ten, I think, and Jake

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Speaker 1: Now the Combine doesn't go into all hours of the night.

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Speaker 1: What else are you doing to pass your time in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to check out the Pacers and Hornets tonight?

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Speaker 1: Do you have dinner plans? What's the rest of the

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Speaker 4: I would actually rather watch paint DRS and go see

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Speaker 1: I mean, if it's not the pet of the Hoosiers.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna go probably a Planet Fitness at

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Speaker 4: some point. Wow, Joe, dinner by myself at a bar

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Speaker 3: Hold on a second for a guy who for a living,

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Speaker 2: You don't want to set a bar high.

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Speaker 3: That's what it's supposed to look like, by the way

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Speaker 3: those guys can score the basketball.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the guys that only play half the games

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Speaker 5: Get them kids.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: The NBA is not perfect, nobody said it is, but

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Speaker 3: that is a good product. How dare you?

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Speaker 4: Well, you're the one often you're the one that wants

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Speaker 2: Damn right, I do.

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Speaker 5: Why can't we just figure it out?

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Speaker 1: Perfection is not attainable, but you can always go for it, Kegan,

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Speaker 1: eleven dollars gets you in the building tonight at the

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Speaker 1: Old House. Brenda will let you know that He's Planet

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Speaker 1: Fitness is more than eleven bucks.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're going to watch an India game in person.

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Speaker 5: Would be bad for my health if I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not doing that very well, Keigan, enjoy your time in

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis at the Combine and we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 4: Bye, Kean, Thanks Stanning, and see you guys.

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Speaker 1: That is Kig and Nickolson live from Indianapolis at the

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine, keeping track with all things.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of a two fast you can talk.

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Speaker 2: You can talk there about the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he kind of came at you with MLB too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: That's apparently wanting the abs and strike zone to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was ready for you to push back there.

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Speaker 2: I like Keegan a lot. Yeah, we'll take a break.

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Speaker 1: We'll take some phone calls five on three, seven, four nine,

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Speaker 3: today next.

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