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Speaker 1: station is very happy Friday to you, extra special on

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Speaker 1: the heels of former congress from Brad Weinster. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the fifty five KRC Morning Show Treasurer Robert Sprague,

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Speaker 1: who is currently running for second Bay State in the

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Speaker 1: state of Ohio, and I am pleased to have you

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Speaker 1: back on the program. Robert Sprague a storied political career,

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Speaker 1: started out in Finley's as treasurer city auditor, over to

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Speaker 1: Ohio state representative for eight years, treasurer since twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: and now running for Secretary of State.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's an impressive career. And before we get started, I

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Speaker 1: just want to ask you what are you most proud

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Speaker 1: of as your accomplishments as treasurer before we pivot over

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Speaker 1: to what you might do as Secretary of State.

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Speaker 2: Heey, Brian, Well, I really appreciate that. And can you

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Speaker 2: hear me? Okay? Is the connection all right?

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Speaker 1: You sound fine from my perspective, our treasure Sprague.

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Speaker 2: No, that's great. Well, you know, I think that one

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Speaker 2: of the things that I'm most proud of in the

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Speaker 2: Treasury is that we've improved the credit rating of the

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Speaker 2: state of Ohio, and believe it or not, our credit rating,

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Speaker 2: which we got the first upgrade since nineteen seventy nine,

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Speaker 2: statiscal management of our state, but also the underlying economics

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Speaker 2: and we get a more diverse economy. I think that

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Speaker 2: we're doing very well. There's more work to be done.

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Speaker 2: We want to create more jobs, better paying jobs. We

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Speaker 2: want to return industry to our state from overseas and

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Speaker 2: make sure that we reclaim our manufacturing base here in

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Speaker 2: the United States. But we've got a lot of energy

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Speaker 2: just an incredible workforce that can't be replicated to the

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Speaker 2: rest of the United States. And I think our credit

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Speaker 2: rating upgrade reflects that.

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Speaker 1: It certainly lowers our borrowing costs the extent we have

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Speaker 2: It does. And you know an amazing thing is in

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Speaker 2: some cases our credit rating is better than that of

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Speaker 2: the United States.

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Speaker 1: Bonds don't make you know we're doing That's a softball.

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Speaker 1: In my neighborhood, I am a deficit hawk, and we

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Speaker 1: I was a credit agency, I would probably rank it

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Speaker 1: a hell of a lot lower where the US credit

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Speaker 1: currently stands, But that's a subject for another day. One

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Speaker 1: of the key roles as Secretary of State is voter integrity,

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Speaker 1: and I know your campaign website for my folks in

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Speaker 1: the audience want to check you out Sprague spr Ague

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Speaker 1: four fo R Ohio dot com, Spreague Ohio dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can see where he is on the issues, but

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Speaker 1: specifically election integrity. Congress from Winsor wanted me to thank

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Speaker 1: you for your efforts on voter id here in the

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Speaker 1: state of Ohio. You're saying that as you walked out.

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Speaker 1: I applaud them as well. Where are you? For example,

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Speaker 1: on the idea of computer ballots, A lot of my

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Speaker 1: listeners maybe leaning conspiracy theory, but I think they have

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Speaker 1: a lot of justification to be worried about that. If

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what we do in the financial world

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Speaker 2: audit trail. That's why I want to see as the

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Speaker 2: next Secretary State, make sure that we use paper ballots.

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Speaker 2: A paper ballot that's a separate printed piece of paper

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Speaker 2: that you can see who you voted for, that you

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Speaker 2: submit as your vote, and that's actually with you. How

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Speaker 2: constitution says. It says that all elections will be by

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Speaker 2: piece of paper, and you'll submit that vote and then

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Speaker 2: we run it through the tabulation machine. That way, we

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Speaker 2: is accurate. That's the only way that you can ensure

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Speaker 1: Is anyone opposing that conceptually, Robert Sprague, You know.

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Speaker 2: I think I don't think anybody's opposing that necessarily. I

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Speaker 2: our elections are held at the county level. And by

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Speaker 2: We are Republicans and Democrats to work at these polling

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Speaker 2: everyone follows the rules and that's the reason our system

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Speaker 2: works so well. In the state of Ohio. We do

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to work with the General Assembly to

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Speaker 1: Well, I know you're responsible for licensing business as a

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State have a role in preventing fraud? Like

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Speaker 2: Sure, a learning center license, absolutely. I'll tell you, well,

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Speaker 2: with the integrity of the election system. But let's just

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Speaker 2: let me address this issue of fraud. And it's a

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Speaker 2: You have to trust, but verify and you've got to

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Speaker 2: to your point, there is a tremendous amount of in

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of government programs out there and

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Speaker 2: maybe even some private funding like from the bank, that

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Speaker 1: Fair enough. Now I have I say the privilege. I

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party has endorsed you in advance of the primary,

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Speaker 1: You know, why didn't we get a say in that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: the people that make the decision. Of course, I'm honored

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Speaker 1: Well, you know personally where you read my mind, because

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Speaker 2: Ohio Constitution, which was passed in twenty twenty two by

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Speaker 2: seventy seven percent of ohioans, it says that only American

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Speaker 2: citizens can vote in Ohio elections. I can tell you that.

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Speaker 2: But there are members of the Democratic Party that do

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Speaker 2: not believe that. They want to see, you know, non

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Speaker 2: citizens be able to vote in Ohio elections, and some

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Speaker 2: of them have voted for that and against that language

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Speaker 2: in the Constitution on the House floor. But it is

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Speaker 2: important for us. I believe in upholding the rule of law.

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Speaker 2: That's my number one job and I will do it.

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Speaker 2: And so in order to uphold the rule of law

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Speaker 2: in the Constitution of the State of Ohio, we must

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Speaker 2: there is no debate. We must move to a front

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Speaker 2: end citizenship check where we require documentary proof of citizenship

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Speaker 2: when someone registers to vote. Now, when you go to vote,

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Speaker 2: all you have to show is your photo, idea or

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Speaker 2: driver's license. But when you register to vote, you do

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Speaker 2: need to show proof that you are an American citizen.

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Speaker 1: And then listen, Lawyer, I may be, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: familiar with every single provision of hell Constitution. So you

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Speaker 1: enlighten me on that that it's already there. So our

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Speaker 1: constitution demands action on that point, I could argue absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I would. That's a great way to put it. That

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Speaker 2: absolutely demands that we uphold the Constitution, and the only

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Speaker 2: way to do that is trust, but verify, and further, Brian,

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Speaker 2: I will tell you that I want to create an

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Speaker 2: internal audit team to look at the current voter registration

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Speaker 2: records and make sure that we identify any record that

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Speaker 2: does not comply with Ohio law. In other words, non citizens,

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Speaker 2: illegal immigrants, people that have moved out of our state,

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Speaker 2: which is probably one of the key pieces of voter fraud.

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Speaker 2: That we have people that have moved out of our state,

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Speaker 2: and then also people that have passed away because none

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Speaker 2: of them are ballot electors under Ohio law.

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Speaker 1: That all sounds like low hanging fruit with modern technology.

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Speaker 1: Robert Sprague, running for Secretary State find online it's Sprague

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Speaker 1: for Ohio. That's the word for spelled out Sprague for

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Speaker 1: Ohio dot com that all the issues. Feel free to

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Speaker 1: donate work on his campaign. And I appreciate the time

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Speaker 1: you're willing to spend with my listeners me this morning,

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Speaker 1: Robert Sprague. I look for to having me back on

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Speaker 1: the program and I listen. You didn't say anything that

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Speaker 1: robbed me the wrong way today, sir, I gotta admit that.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, very good. I really appreciate it. We

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Speaker 2: want to keep our elections secure in the state of Ohio,

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Speaker 2: and I appreciate it coming on and talking a little

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Speaker 2: bit about election security with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Brian Opening