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Speaker 1: Let's go to the West coast now. Been excited about

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Speaker 1: this for a couple of days. Ladies and gentlemen, we

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Speaker 1: welcome Softy from Seattle in San Francisco and he's with

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Speaker 1: Kjar and iHeart Juggernaut. Those of you who follow non

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Speaker 1: this radio show. And first, thanks for the help with

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Speaker 1: Coach home Rin yesterday, Softy, It for sure has been

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Speaker 1: a weekly highlight. Thank you very much for that, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome. I am currently in Daily City, California,

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Speaker 2: about ten miles south of San Francisco. Full disclosure, currently

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Speaker 2: a phone call from producer of the Year Eric Nordquiz

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Speaker 2: reminding me that I have to join this radio program

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Speaker 2: yep and talk with the man who is the heartbeat

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Speaker 2: the state and the people of Minnesota, and my dear

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Speaker 2: friend Paul Allen. There's not many people I would have

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Speaker 2: Radio Row, the NFL Experience, the NFL Fan Shop, everything

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Speaker 2: that the fans would like to do and be a

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Speaker 2: part of yah and have access to is in San Francisco. Well,

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Speaker 2: everything else the media needs to be a part of,

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Speaker 2: So I know you feel terrible for me in this

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Speaker 1: With right now. Okay, Well, if you're in Daily City,

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Speaker 1: then that because I was a racetrack announcer in the

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Speaker 1: it's Radio Row is at Moscone Center by South Beach.

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Speaker 1: How are these streets of San Francisco these days?

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Speaker 2: Every homeless person has been removed for the week the

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Speaker 2: The streets are clean as a whistle. Everything is pristine

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Speaker 2: with all the international and national media that have descended

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Speaker 2: to town this spring and summer. But you mentioned Pacifica.

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Speaker 2: Dick Paine and I drove a few minutes to Muscle

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Speaker 2: Rock Beach. You know where that is in Pacifica, California. Yes,

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Speaker 2: And the fact that you actually left Pacifica for Minneapolis, Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand that one of the pristine, beautiful spots

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Speaker 1: Are you familiar with We're close to the same age,

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Speaker 1: They they are not the Delphonics. They did a song

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Speaker 2: And you know what I mean. The traffic is also

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Speaker 2: You know, Look, it's an hour and forty five minute

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Speaker 2: It's the closest super Bowl you could find the Seattle.

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Speaker 2: that's face, Paul, Yeah, to get in. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: I'm appreciative of the financial situation that I'm in. I'm

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Speaker 2: it's going to get even worse as the years go by.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's the new sport of kings and with So,

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Speaker 1: you were at that Seahawks Steelers Super Bowl at Ford Field, correct? Correct,

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Speaker 2: I was there in New York for forty eight when

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Speaker 2: And I'm here now for number four little Just you know,

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Speaker 1: So I was there with.

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Speaker 2: My dad and my mom. My dad passed away three

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Speaker 2: on this Sunday. But they get some kind of revenge,

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Speaker 2: some kind of retribution, And the worst part of that game.

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Speaker 2: how often in your life do you think they're going

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Speaker 2: to have a chance to go back to back?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They and they took that from us. So I think

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Speaker 2: the Seahawks wins Sunday. If they do win Sunday, the

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Speaker 1: How is Twitter going for you with Patriots fans?

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Speaker 2: Fine? I haven't heard from any of them.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean Patriot fans really give it. Damn, this

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is like blah, whatever, man the best

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Speaker 2: you know, this is not anything of note in New England.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is nothing new for them, you know.

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Speaker 2: I hear way more from random Toronto Blue Jay fans

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, Maybe I should mix it up.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I should poke the bear a little bit and

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Speaker 2: so far it's been it's been crickets fall from Boston.

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Speaker 1: Softy the best KJR radio in Seattle, part of the

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Speaker 1: Iheartfamily is radio shows a juggernaut. He's an elite box

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Speaker 1: so Seattle four and a half five point favorites in

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Speaker 1: this bad boy is Is Darnold still a sweat to

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Speaker 1: drop the ball and lose it or throw it away

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul, here's the thing, man, The guy had fourteen

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Speaker 2: interceptions on the season. He had six bumbles. He had

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Speaker 2: twenty turnovers. Six of those interceptions. Of the fourteen came

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Speaker 2: against the Rams in Arizona. All Right, the guy lost

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Speaker 2: Mike Rabils got a great defense man. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: guy just can't escape this for trying out loud ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, it's interesting you laid it out

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Speaker 1: that way, softy, because when he was here in twenty

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Speaker 1: at certain facets of the season, he had eight ish

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Speaker 1: just went out a body lost his mind. It didn't

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Speaker 1: And sounds like it happened that way in Seattle and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, the guy has been

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Speaker 2: unbelievable for us, and like I know that we you know,

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Speaker 1: Honey, I've told you, I've told you before.

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Speaker 2: I think it sucks for Viking fans watching this guy

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Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. I mean, imagine being a Jet

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Speaker 2: fan for you mistakes, right, Like my buddy Chason Smith,

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Speaker 2: who does the the late night show on Fox Jet Fan.

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Speaker 2: It hates the Patriots, obviously, but he's got to choose.

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Speaker 2: Does he root for his mortal enemy in New England

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Speaker 2: or does he root for Sam Darnold, who he was

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Speaker 2: hoping five six years ago would have been doing this

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Speaker 2: So it can be worse. But he's such a fantastic kid.

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Speaker 2: Let's see how they deal with that.

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Speaker 1: All right. Lastly, what do the Patriots do that gives

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Speaker 2: They play a sixth offensive lineman a lot and the

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Speaker 1: Drake May is a big boy.

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Speaker 2: He's six four two twenty five, right, he's not small.

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Speaker 2: She'll be here Saturday night. So I've been unsupervised the

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Speaker 2: Sunday and I'll be unsupervised until Saturday at ten o'clock. Right, miracle,

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Speaker 1: Upright by the way. Here's a tout and off the

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Speaker 2: Well, we got we got reservations tonight at one of

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Speaker 1: What you're talking about, My brother, You're the best, and

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Bernie Kukar, a Gilbert, Minnesota native,

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Speaker 1: The year the Broncos beat the Dirty Birds a game

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Speaker 3: Oh totally my pleasure, Paul, totally.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed or been part of officials getting

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say, just let it be one of

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Speaker 1: Well, what a great point, and we're actually going to

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Speaker 3: three hundred if there's so there's a road because you know,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of houses up there, and as you

433
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Speaker 3: go up the mountain and somehow this guy went around

434
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Speaker 3: a curb up there and last control of that suburb

435
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Speaker 3: of that semi and he jumped out of the dang

436
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Speaker 3: thing and guess what, it came straight down the mountain

437
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Speaker 3: right into the back of our house on the corner.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what was that the veil pass what's known as

439
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Speaker 1: the veil Pass.

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Speaker 3: No, No, that was right in Vail Cow and you

441
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Speaker 3: just but there are a lot of big trees out there,

442
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Speaker 3: you know, you can't hardly get your arms around that

443
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Speaker 3: brown halfway with some of them. So he knocked down

444
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Speaker 3: a bunch of those on his way down, and that

445
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Speaker 3: kind of slowed the whole thing down. But uh, if

446
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Speaker 3: I wasn't there, that alse would have been on the interstate.

447
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Speaker 3: I can tell you that. Wow it But we're going

448
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Speaker 3: to get it fixed. And but I don't know how

449
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Speaker 3: many times you ever hear of a truck never running

450
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Speaker 3: into the house.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is I mean, this is you're causing me

452
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Speaker 1: to hearken to like a decade ago or whenever Zimmer

453
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Speaker 1: was coaching here, and you would be in the in

454
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Speaker 1: the coaches booth even like home and road games and stuff,

455
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Speaker 1: you know, suggesting challenges and things like that, or you'd

456
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Speaker 1: be on the sideline of training camp. And this is

457
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Speaker 1: reminding me of like we come into a conversation to

458
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Speaker 1: chat about something, and you and I just chat about

459
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Speaker 1: every other thing in the world and coving and catch

460
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Speaker 1: up like fashion. So given we have seven or eight

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Speaker 1: minutes to go here, let me get to the lesson

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Speaker 1: at hand. Now. Also, you and I for a decade

463
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Speaker 1: and change up to two decades, Bernie, we joke a

464
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Speaker 1: lot with each other. All right. Now, So the way

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Speaker 1: I'm going to phrase this, I'm not joking, certainly not

466
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Speaker 1: taking a shot. I want the legitimate answer here. Yeah,

467
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Speaker 1: Bernie Kuchar did not start officiating, or as I think,

468
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Speaker 1: officiating overall, calling NFL games until fifty one years of age. Okay,

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Speaker 1: does that sound right?

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Speaker 3: Incorrect? Four years there?

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, excuse me. You started officiating at age forty four.

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Speaker 1: You became a rep at fifty one, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I came into the NFL at a forty four year old. Yeah,

474
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Speaker 3: and I seven years later I became a referee. Seven

475
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Speaker 3: years I was a field judge yep in those days.

476
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Speaker 3: But that's no a back judge. That's the day. That's

477
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Speaker 3: when you five yards deep in the middle of the field.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the question, why why did it take you

479
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Speaker 1: that long to get to the big league?

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. You have to ask the NFL

481
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Speaker 3: that question. What they do is they look for officials

482
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Speaker 3: in the college ranks, of course, and like in a

483
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Speaker 3: situation when we were in the college ranks, for example,

484
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Speaker 3: the Bakings were playing on Sunday, this representative from the

485
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Speaker 3: NFL would come into the golfer game on Saturday to

486
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Speaker 3: watch the officials basically, and then he would write out

487
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Speaker 3: a report and even if somebody didn't apply to the league,

488
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Speaker 3: if he thought the guy would do a good job

489
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Speaker 3: in the NFL, he would recommend to them to apply

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Speaker 3: to the league, and he would inform the league with

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Speaker 3: the DP and attention to this guy. So that's a

492
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Speaker 3: lot of got it officials move up the ranks. In

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Speaker 3: my case, I went from basically all levels of officiating

494
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Speaker 3: to get to the NFL. I'm on all levels starting

495
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Speaker 3: at the junior high to high school to junior college,

496
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Speaker 3: to Division three, to Division two to Division one to

497
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Speaker 3: the NFL. That's kind of the stepping stones that I took.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, so since you've retired, okay, or say over

499
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Speaker 1: the last ten to fifteen is years, has the procedure

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Speaker 1: or work to officiate games in the NFL changed since

501
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Speaker 1: you retired? Because the quite honestly, the staffs never have

502
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Speaker 1: been younger and honestly make far too many mistakes for

503
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Speaker 1: my and a lot of people's liking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can certainly address that issue because all of

505
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Speaker 3: us veterans feel the same way that you just described,

506
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Speaker 3: and in our day, if you didn't have at least

507
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Speaker 3: ten years of major college experience. They won't even look

508
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Speaker 3: at you nowadays. Some of these guys they're getting in

509
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Speaker 3: with one in two years and some of them not

510
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Speaker 3: even at the major college level. So they've lowered their standards,

511
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Speaker 3: I believe, and you'd have to ask them the question

512
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Speaker 3: why they've done that. But some of these guys should

513
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Speaker 3: not be officiating at that level at this point in

514
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Speaker 3: their career. Maybe down the road after they get more experience. Yes,

515
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Speaker 3: but I'll tell you what, it takes at least five

516
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Speaker 3: years to figure out the NFL game versus the college game.

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Speaker 1: Completely agree. Okay, well, Sean Smith has the super Bowl,

518
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Speaker 1: all right, he's the referee for the Super Bowl. Now

519
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Speaker 1: off something you said earlier about you know your staffs.

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Speaker 1: When when you were the white you were the white hat,

521
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Speaker 1: you were the referee, and you got your officials and like,

522
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Speaker 1: I don't know, nine to ten, thirteen years of experience,

523
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Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty things like that. This is this is

524
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Speaker 1: Sean's first Super Bowl and two others on his crew

525
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: are making their Super Bowl debuts. So there are many

526
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Speaker 1: ways to go with that. The way I'm going to

527
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Speaker 1: go with it, Bernie, is what advice would you give them?

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Speaker 3: Oh god, the advice I just gave hard guys, I

529
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Speaker 3: don't know what I get these younger ones. The advice

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Speaker 3: i'd give our guys simply this, Remember what you did

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Speaker 3: to get to this game. You don't get to this

532
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Speaker 3: game unless you're a highly rated official, right unless they

533
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Speaker 3: change their standards these days. But you had to be

534
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Speaker 3: the number one rate of official at your position in

535
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Speaker 3: order to get this assignment. So I would say to them, look,

536
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Speaker 3: remember what you did to get here. And I always

537
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Speaker 3: say this right in the locker room before he went

538
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: on the field. Remember what you did to get here.

539
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Speaker 3: Do the same dann thing today and then we go

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Speaker 3: out in the field. That's the advice is just work

541
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Speaker 3: it like it's another game, and yes, it's more important.

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Speaker 3: I also tell them make sure than any penalties we call,

543
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Speaker 3: the entire stadium knows what it is. Don't call any

544
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Speaker 3: frivolous stuff that he doesn't have, like it's a guy

545
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: doesn't have a most piece in or stuff like that,

546
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Speaker 3: and just get the big things. Let the players decide

547
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Speaker 3: the game. We don't want to have to make a

548
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: decision to decide a game. But you got to go

549
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Speaker 3: by the rules also, but there's also common sense involved

550
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Speaker 3: in a lot of the sufficiating business, and you have

551
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Speaker 3: to consider the situations and then that all applies to

552
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Speaker 3: its way. If maybe I should throw the flag on

553
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Speaker 3: that or maybe I should not, and that's you don't

554
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Speaker 3: have time. You have to do these things in a nanosecond,

555
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: of course, But that's with the advice I would even

556
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Speaker 3: this group that's out there now, I know some of

557
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: them haven't been around along in my day. You couldn't

558
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Speaker 3: even qualify for the Super Bowl and this she had

559
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Speaker 3: five years in the league. So I'm not sure why

560
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Speaker 3: they're doing these things. You'd have to ask the league

561
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Speaker 3: office that question. But there's a lot of experience. Officials

562
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Speaker 3: say some of these guys are not ready for this level.

563
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Speaker 3: And that's kind of what your question was all about. Well,

564
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Speaker 3: they are making mistakes and I don't know, I don't

565
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Speaker 3: know if this inexperience or what. So they have to

566
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Speaker 3: ask the league office what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: Well, when we all listen to the Super Bowl on

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Speaker 1: kf AN this Sunday or we watch it on TV.

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Speaker 1: As I said earlier lastly, here Shawn Smith is the

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Speaker 1: is the referee all right, it's his first Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: That's fine, and I'm sure he earned it on merit. Now, yes,

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Speaker 1: Shawn's see, it's because, like Smith, the referee here is

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Speaker 1: going to be working with official with whom he has

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Speaker 1: not worked the entire season, maybe one or two occasionally,

575
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Speaker 1: but it's not the staff he had, Like for instance,

576
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Speaker 1: when I think I think Green Bay was here at

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Speaker 1: the end of the year, that's the only the Lions

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Speaker 1: on Christmas. That's the only time we had the Shawn

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Speaker 1: Smith staff the entire season. Now, his umpire was a

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Speaker 1: man named Trey Blake. Now Trey was demoted into the

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Speaker 1: season into last season from a referee to umpire and

582
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Speaker 1: didn't get any playoff games or the Super Bowl despite

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Speaker 1: being on the staff of the guy who's the ref

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Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl. Here's the question. Is demoting a

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Speaker 1: ref to an official something that happened frequently the decade

586
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Speaker 1: plus you wore the white cap.

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Speaker 3: No, that doesn't happen very often. The reason it does

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Speaker 3: most of the time is, yeah, they moved the guy

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Speaker 3: to the referee position from some other position that he

590
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Speaker 3: was on. And what happened sometimes is they moved some

591
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: guys that hadn't been referees at the college level, and

592
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Speaker 3: it takes him a while to figure out how to

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Speaker 3: be a referee. I mean, there's a whole lot of

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Speaker 3: different duties you do as a referee than any other position.

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Speaker 3: So sometimes it happens when they moved that guy to

596
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Speaker 3: the referee's position, he finds out, then they find out

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Speaker 3: that this boy is not going to be able to

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Speaker 3: handle the referee's job, and then they'll move him back

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Speaker 3: to his position. I had one of those guys on

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Speaker 3: my crew when I was Dale Hamer's name was. He

601
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Speaker 3: was a referee for like eleven or twelve years, and

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Speaker 3: they have moved him to headlinesman, and I'm not exactly

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Speaker 3: sure why they did, but I think it had something

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Speaker 3: to do is he was having problems keeping up with

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Speaker 3: the speed of the game. Back that referee's got to

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Speaker 3: move around a long time. A lot of places they

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Speaker 3: head lansman only moves five yards each the direction off

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Speaker 3: the line of scrimmish, So I think that had something

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Speaker 3: to do with it. So, yeah, some of those things happened,

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Speaker 3: but it's not that frequent that that happened. That's an

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Speaker 3: unusual time. Bernie situation.

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Speaker 1: You're fantastic thank you very much for the conversation and

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Speaker 1: thank you for the time. Great cut catching up yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the Super Bowl and I'm sure I'll be calling

615
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: you or texting you in the near future. Okay, not

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Speaker 1: a problem.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for calling Paul ye set you Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure catching up with you too. Bernie Kuchar

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Speaker 1: two decades plus as an official in the NFL and

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Speaker 1: from age fifty one for him, but through a decade

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Speaker 1: in small change a referee. Those are the white Caps

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Speaker 1: on the microphones doing all the stuff, and he had

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Speaker 1: the chance to referee two Super Bowls. One of them

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Speaker 1: was Tom Brady and Bill Belichick's first Super Bowl victory

625
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Speaker 1: with the New England Patriots fourteen and a half point

626
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Speaker 1: underdogs against allegedly the greatest show on until they ran

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Speaker 1: into Captain Cool and Bernie was the referee for that game.

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Speaker 1: Super Cool, Gilbert, Minnesota go crazy. We will put Ah,

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Speaker 1: we will close the show, put a wrap on the show.

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Speaker 1: Alrighty, NBA trade deadline tomorrow though, yeah, for sure on that.

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Speaker 1: And and yesterday I was I was watching NBA Network

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Speaker 1: for a little bit, and man, they you know, I'd

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Speaker 1: just been so out of touch with so many things.

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Speaker 1: And I had, you know, kind of heard in some

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Speaker 1: of our chats this week, like or maybe it was

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Speaker 1: you texting me or us talking on the phone about

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Speaker 1: you know, Jannie the Buck potentially like being a legitimate

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Speaker 1: trade possibility for the Timberwolves. And I mean that's all

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Speaker 1: they talked about on this NBA TV should be Jiannis

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Speaker 1: Giannis entered, uh and and you know it's I guess

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Speaker 1: you know, it's the names they use for their sourcing

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Speaker 1: and everything, were the right names. Like it's it's people

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Speaker 1: want to be first and foremost, this is the leading

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Speaker 1: candidate whatever, and they may know. I'm not into that.

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Speaker 1: I just want to know, like who and potentially why,

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Speaker 1: and like who would go whatever A. I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: that potentially into tomorrow was as significant as it is. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: we know James Harden was traded from the Clippers to

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Speaker 1: the Calves for Darius Carlin the Bulls part of that

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Speaker 1: deal with Mike Connolly leaving here, you know, Kevin Herder

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Speaker 1: heads somewhere. I got my guy on my guy on

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Speaker 1: NBA TV yesterday or was its radio or TV one

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Speaker 1: of the I mean, they were like, and I hadn't

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Speaker 1: heard this, and I hope it's it's actual that supposedly

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Speaker 1: like the Timberwolves had an opportunity to get the guy

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Speaker 1: we've talked about a lot for a month and a half,

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Speaker 1: the kid with the hair, Kobe White, Kobe White, yep,

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Speaker 1: and instead wanted to get the apron money in the

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Speaker 1: threshold to a certain level.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, getting down to the I think they're they're out

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Speaker 4: of that second apron or whatever it is, down to

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Speaker 4: just the normal tax and so they Yeah, I thought

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Speaker 4: the number I saw yesterday they may have saved themselves

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Speaker 4: with this move about twenty two to twenty three million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four and change to one and change is what

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Speaker 1: I saw too. But for what and why and when?

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Speaker 1: And Yannis okay, cool? I mean Yannis is a he's

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Speaker 1: a generational type player and when he plays now, he's

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Speaker 1: still very good. Literally even why and we need to

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Speaker 1: know about the calf. By the way, he's gonna do

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Speaker 1: about that calf yep, I mean because it's like it

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Speaker 1: it's it pops up so frequently with him. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you, man, but I'm just a little concerned

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Speaker 1: about that thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, specifically the last couple of years too. And I

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Speaker 4: can't remember which year it was, but I think he

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Speaker 4: had to miss a playoff series because of the injury

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 1: So we've seen the same thing then. I do know

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Speaker 1: how to explain it. But it has happened over X

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Speaker 1: amount of years, this calf nineteen times, okay, so nineteen

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Speaker 1: is the right number over two or three years where

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Speaker 1: he's had to miss games. Yeah, No, it's very troubling

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Speaker 1: right now though, just kind of trying to wrap your

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Speaker 1: head around what that package would look like whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: So or I mean, in the end, is Kobe still

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Speaker 1: potentially attainable?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: I mean moving forward?

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Speaker 4: I mean they were just juggling money around right like

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Speaker 4: the Bulls are already trying to flip Mike Conley apparently,

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Speaker 4: but they get Jaden Ivy and you know who carried

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Speaker 4: a herd her and Sharage go to the Pistons, but

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Speaker 4: it's down to Jaden. Are you willing to make the

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Speaker 4: move for Jaden? Sounds like Jaden is kind of a

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Speaker 4: gotta have it part of any scenario that includes Giannis understood,

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Speaker 4: and then and then what else? And you start playing

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Speaker 4: the game of Giannis and Rudy and the court together.

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Speaker 4: Gotta gotta keep Nas around for that where you're gonna

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Speaker 4: get three point shooting from if you were to give

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Speaker 4: up NAS. And so now a lot your front court

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Speaker 4: is two guys that can't get you from the perimeter.

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Speaker 4: So all those conversations are taking place. Jaron Jackson, you know,

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Speaker 4: nobody's thinking about Utah right now, but he's now headed

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Speaker 4: to Utah. Jaron Jackson, Junior Vusi Vusi Vusovich goes to

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Speaker 4: the goes to the Boston Celtics. But I think everything

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Speaker 4: feels and you're right. All the right names. You see

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Speaker 4: Sham's reporting, you see our guy locally, Johnny Ka reporting,

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Speaker 4: Windhorst on, Yes, all the guys that you know, Uh,

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Speaker 4: the team that Jannis loves the most if he's going

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Speaker 4: to move is Minnesota. Has he said that that's been

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Speaker 4: the report? Yeah, that they like the package and the

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Speaker 4: spot he's wanted. He's spoken about his he would like

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Speaker 4: to play for Aunt. The other part of this, though,

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Speaker 4: that's interesting, is he's also I've seen some reporting done. Well,

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Speaker 4: there's still a chance we could just stay in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 4: Is there anything that could happen to just you know,

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Speaker 4: keep you in Milwaukee?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, if the lottery or the draft goes the

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Speaker 1: right way and like we hit in the lottery or whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, man, Well, we will find time to put

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Speaker 1: a focus on that NBA trade deadline tomorrow, Wild in

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Speaker 1: Nashville on KFA in this evening, indeed, Wolves and Rapturs

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