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Speaker 2: I've got a flung show on seven hundred WLW. Frozen.

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Speaker 2: That's how we are this morning. Frozen. Highways were astoundingly

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Speaker 2: great this morning, at least for me. Anyway. I know

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Speaker 2: there's some trouble spots out there still, but I mean,

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Speaker 2: think about it. Ohio is something like, I think in

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Speaker 2: excess of forty three thousand lane miles of roads forty

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Speaker 2: three thousand, So that's like in two days they plowed

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Speaker 2: almost two times around the globe. That's crazy. Matt Bruding

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Speaker 2: charge of all the plows. Mac, good morning.

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Speaker 3: How are you You are way overestimating my ability?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're only in charge when the plows

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Speaker 2: don't do their job, then we yell at Matt. He

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Speaker 2: doesn't take credit when everything goes. It's seems like, are

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Speaker 2: you guys all caught up?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say caught up. We're certainly dealing with a

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Speaker 3: lot of blowing and drifting issues, but the highways are

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Speaker 3: looking a lot better. There are a lot of spots

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Speaker 3: a long way to go to get everything back to

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Speaker 3: perfect where we'd like it to be. So we still

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Speaker 3: need people to be careful out there if they're driving around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd get calls obviously at the station and especially

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Speaker 2: what causes that all of a sudden the middle there's

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Speaker 2: there's just a bunch of snow, do you guys miss

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Speaker 2: that is that stuff that's falling off of vehicles?

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Speaker 5: What is it?

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Speaker 3: Probably stuff that's falling off of vehicles? And then again

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Speaker 3: I mean I drove down to Cincinnati from Chilicofee yesterday

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Speaker 3: so we need people to you know, get that stuff

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Speaker 3: off your Car's a visibility issue, but obviously it can

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Speaker 3: So we need people to do that, do their part.

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Speaker 3: And then, yes, mother in nature, we see her to

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Speaker 3: quit blowing the snow back across the road. That would

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Speaker 2: All right, so we are now in the Arctic deep

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Speaker 2: freeze now for at least the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: What challenge does that pose to you, guys?

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Speaker 3: Well, the main weapon that we use to try to

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Speaker 3: when temperatures get below twenty we're obviously well below that,

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Speaker 2: All right, so walk us through through Matt burning. What

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Speaker 2: you guys, what odat did the response timeline? National Weather

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Speaker 2: Service first issues a winter storm warning that went an

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Speaker 3: Well, let me back the clock up even more. Every

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Speaker 3: That is the pre treatment. And so I know when

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Speaker 2: All Right, so you guys are throwing down salt at

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Speaker 2: what point, how many instanes before you drop the blade.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they'll drop the blade here, you know, right away,

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Speaker 3: those cold temperatures limit the ability of the salt to work.

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Speaker 2: What do you guys use from a technology standpoint, Matt Breening.

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Speaker 2: You know, here in Cincinnati we unveiled the GPS plowtrack app,

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Speaker 3: So we've used that for what I've been an ODETT

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Speaker 3: And that's what I and my fellow public information officers

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Speaker 2: Nice. So Cincinnati's only ten years Cincinnatial only ten years

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Speaker 3: Good. Well, there are a lot of communities that do

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Speaker 2: What about temperature censors, those embedded in the highway and

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Speaker 3: We have road weather information stations across the state. They're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha. He's Matt Bruney with ODOT, our former colleague

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Speaker 3: It's an ongoing thing. I mean you just have to

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Speaker 3: they'll stay out of twelve hour shifts around the clock

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt Brooding, you know you'll be driving all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden it's like the road's fine, then it's not.

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Speaker 2: And that is because we've got this wonky thing between

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm glad you asked that. So, I mean

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Speaker 3: ODT is responsible for all the state and US routes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because in a blank of an eye, right, you

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Speaker 3: So before this storm, we had about four hundred and

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's good because you start hearing that going, wow,

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Speaker 3: You know, pothole season for us is typically you know,

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Speaker 2: That we'll be complaining about that. Who's response for the breakdown?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I won't say it's probably never happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe ESEs making. I think that's the best feel

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Speaker 2: How does that not warm you up on a cold

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Speaker 3: And what a humble guy too. I mean, look, he was,

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Speaker 2: That's an awesome story too. They saved the life of

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Speaker 2: a baby's life. Why don't we get something like that

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Speaker 2: together for Joe asties. Maybe I don't know, some sort

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Speaker 2: Let's do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm all for it to that. Joe's a great guy.

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Speaker 2: Will he wants to know if Joe Esty will plow

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Speaker 3: Today, I will ask, But I don't know. I don't.

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Speaker 3: we that's where we could pick him up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that probably that probably would not dissuade Willy

435
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Speaker 2: from trying to get you to do that. What your

436
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Speaker 2: jurisdiction is now, Matt Bruning, our buddy over at O Doc,

437
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Speaker 2: thanks so much for coming on the show this morning.

438
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Speaker 2: I appreciate. I'm glad you do him well.

439
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Speaker 3: Back at you, sir.

440
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Speaker 2: There you go, my former colleague, the legendary Matt Bruning

441
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Speaker 2: on the show this morning. Hopefull your questions. Answer. We're

442
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Speaker 2: looking good right now, just cold, Scott Sloan seven hundred

443
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Speaker 2: ww yeah, that's the numbers only with you seven hundred

444
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 2: WL dominator. Hope you're staying warm now. The real fun

445
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 2: beginnings right two weeks in this two weeks get on

446
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 2: that Southwest flight with the new seat maps can get

447
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 2: your butt down to where it's warm, that's for sure.

448
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 2: So dealing with the snow, our house got about thirteen inches,

449
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more, I don't know, and we

450
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 2: just moved to new house. So I'm ind this snowblower

451
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 2: that I bought, it was a close out snowblowed torope

452
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 2: back in the day. And I probably had this thing

453
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 2: for fifteen years. And work's great, you know, gas fired

454
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 2: up snow. But I'm not a big one. I think

455
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 2: it's I don't even know. Was it twenty four inches

456
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. I don't know. Size doesn't matter.

457
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,679
Speaker 2: It's the user. It's the user, not the snowblower. And

458
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: so obviously I have, you know, trying to keep up

459
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 2: on the mechanics of the thing. I'm not in admittle,

460
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 2: not a small engine or big engine guy for that matter.

461
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 2: You know, I deal with like wood and stuff and

462
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 2: plumbing and electrical, but not not that. But you don't

463
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 2: know if I can figure it out. And so it

464
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 2: started running rough. I think it was. I hadn't use

465
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 2: it last year. I don't think the year before. It

466
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 2: was not firing up at all and said, okay, I

467
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 2: got to figure out what's going on here. And I

468
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 2: found out it was okay, it needs a new carburetor.

469
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 2: Oh man, how much does that cost? It was like

470
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 2: twenty bucks online sending the kill carburetor. Like, I can

471
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 2: figure this out, so you know, take the take all

472
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 2: the thing apart to get in there. And you know

473
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 2: it's a obviously it's a small engine. There's like a

474
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 2: lot more or anything else. Like, I can figure this out.

475
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: So I pleased myself. This is a couple months ago

476
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 2: when the weather was warmer. See I playing ahead. I

477
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,919
Speaker 2: put the new carburetor in, I gas, I fired the thing.

478
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 2: It was working great. So I'm like, you know, lube

479
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 2: everything up, check, make sure the belt's still good. All

480
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 2: that all right? That's good. This is good. So I

481
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 2: fired this thing up. I'm ready to go for the

482
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 2: big snowstorm. And it worked great for the last snowstorm.

483
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 2: By the way, did my driveway, did a neighbor's driveway?

484
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 2: Did a relative driveway? I was a snow blowing fool.

485
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 2: So on Sunday, I get out there, fired this thing up.

486
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 2: It's working great. Get about I don't know, four or

487
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 2: five passes all of a sudden, the shoot the thing,

488
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 2: you know, the thing on top where you turn it

489
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 2: and it angles the snow away from the snowblower into

490
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 2: a snow banker. If you don't like it, maybe your

491
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: neighbor's driveway or the street or whatever. But you know

492
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: it's got the shoot on top of it. The shoot

493
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 2: just goes up in the air about a foot and

494
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: then falls off the screws that hold it in. Apparently

495
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 2: I don't rust it or whatever, but it just it

496
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: was gone, like, oh my god. So now it's a

497
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: snowblower and it's got a I don't know the circle

498
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: where the round thing at the top where the snow

499
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 2: would come out, and then through the shoot where you

500
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: were directed. It's now shooting. I now have a snowblower volcano.

501
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: By the way, this thing is firing snow, and because

502
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 2: it's so deep it was snow I fired, so it

503
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: had to be thirty something feet in the air. It

504
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: was impressive. So instead of going, well it's broken, I

505
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,719
Speaker 2: can't do I figured out how do I use this

506
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: to plow all that snow and angle it so that

507
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: the wind whatever little breeze are espersonally was two when

508
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: it's blowing it away from where I'm working, and I,

509
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,959
Speaker 2: after a couple I was able to figure that out.

510
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: I was pretty proud of myself. So I will say,

511
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: if you can take yours off, it throws a lot

512
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: more snow. I will say that this thing was throwing

513
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 2: snow thirty thirty feet in the air. It was crazy

514
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: like treetop level, and I just had to look impressive

515
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: from far away. And it was eating through the snow

516
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: down in the street. In the street, it was up

517
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: to the top of the snow blier a little bit

518
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: over and it was just chewing through the stuff like

519
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: it was nothing like, this is great. I could do

520
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: the whole world with this thing, except I can't control

521
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 2: where it's going. So some areas I had to go

522
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: back with a shovel and skim it because a little

523
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: light dub. But hey, you know, I got through it.

524
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 2: I got through the snow stuff at the end of

525
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 2: the driveway. I was rather happy about it. And then

526
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: the second time I fired it up, the little primer

527
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 2: ball if you know other thing you pushed three times

528
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 2: to get the field to get the juice into the carburetor.

529
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: That thing just disintegrate. So now I'm like, well, not,

530
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 2: what am I gonna do? How am I going to

531
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 2: prime this? So I had to get it out of

532
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: my hands and knees and blow into the little hole

533
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: where the palmer bolt to get to blow the gas

534
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 2: into the to the engine of the carboard to get

535
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: it started. So now I've got this snow volcano and

536
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 2: I'm giving this thing CPR. At some point you go,

537
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: you know what, I've rebuilt this thing enough over fifteen years.

538
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: Probably need to get a new snow thrower. And we

539
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: don't use it all that often here and since and

540
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: if it's a couple of inches, I'll shovel it by hand.

541
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 2: But you know, you get older, it's like, especially out

542
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: of the driveway, it's nice to have. And so I

543
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: was looking at the battery operated snow throwers, and I'm curious,

544
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: if you have one of these things, does it work?

545
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 4: Now?

546
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: I have other battery operated tools obviously on my handheld

547
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: tools for remodeling and construction stuff. Those things weren't great.

548
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 2: But it's much smaller battery and the life's impressive. I'm

549
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 2: guessing that it's probably the same. I'm just the delivery

550
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: about a and I don't want the one that you

551
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: plug into the wall and carry the quart around. I

552
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't do that with a lawnmarer. I'm sure as hell

553
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: not doing that with a snow thrower. It's just it's

554
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: it's a bad look. I do like the sound of

555
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 2: the gas engine firing up like a chainsaw. It's like, man,

556
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm doing something now, right, where's battery?

557
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: It's just completely quiet. I've seen people. My neighbor has

558
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 2: a battery powered lawnmarch. Seems to work really well. I

559
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: don't know about a snowthrower though. I'm not sure if

560
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: I'm ready for a battery operatition though, although the research

561
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: I did online so far looking at them, they seem

562
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: to work really well. Now, granted, this snowstorm we just

563
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: had is a one off or maybe a side of

564
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: things to common. Wo knows, we had two big snowstorms

565
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: so far this year. We normally don't get that. If

566
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 2: that's the future, I want to be prepared. My only

567
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: question is how long do those batteries work. I have

568
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 2: no problem in the battery thing. I'm just worried about,

569
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 2: you know, the longevity of them. That's all. So I

570
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: don't want to croak in when I'm trying to get

571
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: to the end of the driveway. You don't start at

572
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: the end of the driveway. That's the last thing you do.

573
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: I need it to last the whole damn driveway, you

574
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Plus I like the idea of

575
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: quite honestly, just pushing a button. Everything starts right up.

576
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: It's just a you know, it's an electric motor as

577
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: opposed to an engine, and engines take maintenance to take work.

578
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: As I just pointed that out. So I do know

579
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 2: DM me or something. Email me if you will let

580
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 2: me know if you got one, if the thing works

581
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 2: as can be expected. Otherwise I've gone back to gas

582
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: fired one. The good old days. Yeah, the good old days.

583
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: I will say this. My wife's on those you know,

584
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: the neighbor of the Facebook neighborhood groups in your neighborhood,

585
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 2: you probably have one, and I normally don't read those

586
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: because it's just it's kind of like we have a

587
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: ring doorbell, and if you read some of the ring

588
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: doorbell comments, there's a coyote in our yard. Does anyone

589
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: know what this is? It's a person walking like we

590
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 2: live in the age of paranoia right now. Someone give

591
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 2: it an order or knocked. Who do you think this is?

592
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: I think it's a kid selling something. I'm pretty sure.

593
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. It could be a Jehovah's witness, short

594
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 2: sert sleeve, white white dress shirt, short sleeves. The only

595
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: people I see wear white shirts with short sleeves, white

596
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: dress shirts. Was saying, our Jehoah's witnesses. It's the official uniform.

597
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: Like no one else in business wears one of those.

598
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: You see someone a man walking with a black tie

599
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: and a short sleeve dress shirt. Jehovah's witness, Jada right there,

600
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: that's your guy, that's the pro, that's the man officer,

601
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: the official uniform. Like, I'm pretty sure that's who it was.

602
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: It was a coyote dressed as a Jehovah's witness. I

603
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: don't know what to tell you, Like, quit freaking out.

604
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: Somebody walked across my Yeah, it happens. You're living in

605
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: a neighborhood. Imagine before when you didn't have a camera,

606
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: stuff happened all the time. You had no idea. Ignorance

607
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: is bliss. Maybe that's just me, but it's is we

608
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: look at this. I've done the conversation, the ring doorbells

609
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: and electric snow throwers lovely. In the Facebook chat group,

610
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: people are actually complaining that the plows left snow at

611
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 2: the foot of the driveway, and someone wanted to know

612
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: who they would call to have that remove Do I call?

613
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: Do you call the city? The township? Where I like

614
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: people are actually and I think it was a I

615
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: saw something else because we're down a rabbit hole with this.

616
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: As someone that called nine one one demanding that something

617
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: he'd done about the snow at the end of the day.

618
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: The plow left all the snow at the end of

619
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: my driveway. I've got to get the work called nine

620
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 2: one one, like, what do you want to do? Come

621
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: shoot it. I'm gonna taste the snow. What do we

622
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: do with it?

623
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 4: Now?

624
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: It's up to you. And maybe it's just kind of

625
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: the world we live. And I also, again I say

626
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: this every time. I grew up in snow country, so

627
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: kind of used to it. But yeah, when we get

628
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: a foot or more snow, that's a lot of snow

629
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: at the end of your driveway. The plow does not

630
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 2: control the snow at the end of that's on you.

631
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: They don't come and then go, oh, well, we left

632
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: snow at the end of your driveway and then they

633
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: would never get the snow cleared. If that were the case,

634
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: you are responsible for the snow at there in a driveway.

635
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: I had to break this sad news to my daughter recently, said, well, Dad,

636
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: could you come over the snowblower. Yeah, it's up snow

637
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: volcano and I'm not bringing it over there, and I'm

638
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: not blowing into it to do your You're young, you

639
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: can shovel, so she said, well, I might have to,

640
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 2: I might miss work because my snow. I'm like, just

641
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: go shovel the snow. I don't have a shovel. There's

642
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: plenty of shovels in my workshop behind your house. Could

643
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: just go grab one of those. Looking for me to

644
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: come over and do the work. I ain't doing it. Hey,

645
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Speaker 2: real quick on the electric snowblower thing ad in western hills.

646
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Speaker 2: What do you got?

647
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? For what is worthless? Snow? Driveway about maybe seventy

648
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: five feet long? Okay, dummy, me didn't get out the well,

649
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: didn't notice you watching things of the evening, didn't see

650
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: any snow. I'm down. Well, next thing you know, wake

651
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: up next morning. You got ten inches, so only forty

652
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: Bold systems. You look at it looks like a toy,

653
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: but you got half of it, you.

654
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Speaker 2: Know, so if you get one and you have that

655
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Speaker 2: big a driveway, you should probably buy extra batteries.

656
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: Then.

657
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Speaker 1: Yeah, seventy five feet long, all right, maybe ten wide

658
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: with ten inches snowing and handled half of it.

659
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Speaker 2: That's pretty good. I mean, you know, that's a lot

660
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: of Normally we get you know, two four inches, no

661
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: big deal, but eight inches eight to ten inches of

662
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: snow and it's seventy five or seventy five.

663
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Speaker 1: That pretty good trick. Another trick, only take half a

664
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Speaker 1: cut at the time, Okay, so you don't get all

665
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Speaker 1: on it'll stall it out.

666
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: Oh really okay, it's also good enough. So it sounds

667
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: like you're steering me towards just sticking with my gull

668
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: old gas one.

669
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Speaker 1: Then well, gas is you know, as long as your

670
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Speaker 1: fuel stable and fires up.

671
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sure. I've never had a PRIM put the

672
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Speaker 2: stabilizer in. But hey, thanks for the call, man, I

673
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Yeah. But again, you know, when you're always

674
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: working on the thing, it's like every you got to,

675
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Speaker 2: you know, clean it out. It seems like with the

676
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Speaker 2: electric one you just put the battery right, put the

677
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: I M I think I go in. I want to

678
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: say I'm not gonna buy it anytime soon. I'm getting through,

679
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: to believe me. With you know, blowing into the hole.

680
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: Wait what that's a cut blowing into the primer ball

681
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: that's missing. I can get a new primary ball. But

682
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: at this point, it's throwing snow at the top of

683
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: it's a it's a volcano mission snow volcano. And I

684
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: got to give a CPR every time I started. That's

685
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: my life. That's what I'm doing because I'm dumb that way.

686
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: I'm dumb that way. News at about ten here on

687
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: seven hundred W LW coming up at ten oh seven.

688
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: He is local civil rights attorney Rob Lindeman. And I

689
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 2: don't know about you after yesterday's discussion, and we'll get

690
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: into this later ten thirty five me and you about

691
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: what we're seeing in Minnesota, and I have seen in

692
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: Minnesota so far. It feels like maybe a tipping point

693
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: has happened when it comes to public protests and the government.

694
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: And I bring this up because I'm just gonnask a

695
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: bunch of questions about civil rights, Like Okay, he's in

696
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: the only time. That's yesterday with my guest, and if

697
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: you miss that, it was interesting conversation because she's very

698
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: pro policing and basically said that the Ice did nothing

699
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: wrong here, which I vehemently disagree with as someone who

700
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: supports wholeheartedly law enforcement the military. And I don't have

701
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: to give him my CV on that. If you listen

702
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: to the show, I backed cops. But again, you got

703
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: to do it with a reason. You just can't say, well,

704
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: they can do whatever they want, because if you do that, well,

705
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: that's what happens in Minnesota. I disagree that said, I

706
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: think things are starting to change here because the news

707
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: today investigators are now reviewing the body worn camera video

708
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: from the officer perspective for the fatal shooting of Alex Pretty.

709
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: They had multiple angles, multiple officers, and of course the

710
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: citizen video too. Will they'll seem that together come up

711
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: with a timeline and what went down. I think it's

712
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: important too, because I think you will also get an

713
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: idea what happened prior to the people on the streets recording.

714
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: It seems like everyone's recording all the time out there,

715
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: but you get differspective and I think, uh context more context,

716
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: which is very much needed in this situation and situations

717
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: like it. I think you'll agree. So yesterday said I,

718
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: from what I saw, I'm totally against what happened with

719
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: the shooting and PRESTI are pretty rather that said, I'm

720
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Speaker 2: open to seeing new information that may exonerate the officers.

721
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: I would say, if they had an information at a

722
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: body camp as quick as Christy Gnome was out there

723
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: to say that, you know, this is a domestic terrorist

724
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: who's going to shoot cops, and clearly that wasn't the

725
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: case that and also they had images of the gun

726
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: that they took off the guy. Uh, I would I

727
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: would say if this exonerated them in any way, shape or form,

728
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: they would have already at leastaid video because they have

729
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: already you know, we're gonna do an investigation. Why you

730
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: already can't you already told us what the what the

731
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: outcome is. It's like Terry Thigi all over again. Right, Yeah,

732
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Speaker 2: we we've we uh we fired her.

733
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Speaker 4: Uh.

734
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Speaker 2: But now we're a new investigation to find out why

735
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: it sounds like the same thing in Minnesota and so yeah,

736
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Speaker 2: different angles and things. I'd like to see that, but

737
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Speaker 2: we'll see. They're going to analyze it and break it

738
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: down and all that and review everything. But the fact

739
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: of the matter is okay, so we got body camera.

740
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Speaker 2: I'm waiting for that to come out at this point.

741
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Speaker 2: But I think what's interesting, and this is a tipping point,

742
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Speaker 2: as I mentioned, is you have a couple dozen Republican

743
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: lawmakers now that are calling for investigations congressional testimony after

744
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: this shooting. And I think early March they're going to

745
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: bring Christy Noome in for a grilling on the Hill.

746
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: It's not a majority of lilt of John Thune is

747
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: preparing for a fight, and this has to do with appropriation,

748
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: spill and everything else as well, but a number of

749
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: Republicans are stepping up, going, yeah, what we saw is egregious.

750
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Speaker 2: We're going to investigate this, and that's what Congress needs

751
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: to do. There needs to be oversight in this whole thing.

752
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 2: We haven't seen that for the first year of Trump

753
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: because Congress has really not done anything, very little other

754
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: than shut things down. So on March third, there's going

755
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: to be a Judiciary committee, and that is I believe

756
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: Chuck Grassley of Iowa is a guy who chairs that,

757
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: and he is a Republican and so maybe we'll get

758
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: some answers to this. But it feels like, especially too

759
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: with Walls in Trump having a conversation, according to what

760
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: he posted on truth Social that we had a good conversation.

761
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: We said and he agreed that they're going to pull down,

762
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: and we're going to pull out the guy who's heading

763
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: this thing up, and we're going to bring in our

764
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: borders are and in addition to that, we're going to

765
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Speaker 2: start pulling back some ICE agents from Minnesota. So it

766
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 2: sounds like Trump does not want to raise the temperature further,

767
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: which is unusual because normally he's like, Okay, I'm going

768
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: to double down on this. Whether you think he's right

769
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: or not, He's going to do what he wants. And

770
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: this seems to be like, maybe we went too for

771
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: maybe she went too far with this thing. Interesting. Interesting

772
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: and also showing that I guess the folks up there

773
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Speaker 2: are trying to maybe bring the temperatures down a notch.

774
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 2: The Minnesota National Guard is out there and they were

775
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 2: tasked and handed out coffee and donuts to anti ice

776
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: protesters in Saint Paul to show them it was a

777
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: demonstration of safety and security. So the guardsmen. By the way,

778
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: we're reflective vests. Why well, because they wanted to make sure, Hey,

779
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: you know, we're not Ice agents or we're not with

780
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: these guys. I think that that's a lot going. Hey,

781
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: we're gonna okay, we're National guardsman. It's a dangerous situation.

782
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: How about we hand we can't have a bottle of

783
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: water because it'd be frozen, but we're gonna have on

784
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: hot coffee and donuts to the protesters. And we're also

785
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: wearing different clothing than the ICE agents are, just to

786
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: let you know we're we're not with them. We're the

787
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: good guys, but we're a good or good guy if

788
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: you will interesting times in which we live. We'll talk

789
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: civil rights with Rob Leman, the civil rights attorney, and

790
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: how this supplies. I mean, you know, I don't plan

791
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: on protesting anything anytime soon. I reserve my right to

792
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: do that. But what we saw in what we think

793
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: the laws are maybe different than what are what the

794
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 2: constitution says what we're allowed to do. Anyway, a lot

795
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: of questions for not only just what pretty did, but

796
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: also ICE agents as well. Will make sense of it.

797
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: Next after a quick time out in news, traffic, weather,

798
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: all that seconds away on the mother red seven hundred

799
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Speaker 2: WW Cincinnati, We've gotta flown back on seven hundred w W.

800
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: Of course, outside of these folding snow and now just

801
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: the cold, the biggest story captivating us would be what's

802
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: happening in Minnesota. So Trump and Waltz Governor Walls are

803
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: now working together to solve the chaos up there. The

804
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 2: President is sending borders our Tom homan In and recalling

805
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: Border Patrol Chief Greg Bovino, saying it also looks like

806
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: they're going to pull a bunch of ice agents out

807
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: of the state as well. It feels like a tipping

808
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: point in this whole thing. And at the same time,

809
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: I think it's tipping point because a couple dozen congressional

810
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: Republicans have now called for investigations into the fatal shooting

811
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: with Alex Pretty Dick Durbin. Senator Dick Durbin announced that

812
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 2: Christine Omil appear before the Senate Judiciary coming up in March.

813
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 2: Third answer tough questions. Pre you got protesters confronting ice,

814
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: ice kicking indoors. The question is in these things, not

815
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: that you're going to be on the streets protesting stuff,

816
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: but where do your rights in Where does law enforcements

817
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: rights begin? These two vent diagrams have overlapped for some time,

818
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: but we're seeing a lot of what are perceived constitutional violations.

819
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: But then again, how far can law enforcement go? And acting?

820
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: The homeland on that is Rob Linman, and Rob is

821
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: a civil rights attorney. I just had him on the

822
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: show not long ago. He rerepped the family of Qwen

823
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: Davier Hicks, who talked about that.

824
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 4: Rob.

825
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Good to have you.

826
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Speaker 4: Good morning, Scott. Thanks, I'm happy to join you again.

827
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just jump in because you see this. We

828
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: have spent a lot of time and we'll spend a

829
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: lot of time talking about what we all saw versus

830
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: what we're told by the government. I know what I saw.

831
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: They're trying to tell me something different, Christy. No, let's

832
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: just jump in because I think they're significant first, second

833
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: and obviously fourteenth Amendment issues here, but the for relata

834
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: to the first Amendment, the idea about recording government agents.

835
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: We debated this a lot yesterday. So Alex Pretty is

836
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: holding his phone recording federal officers. The confetation begins. He's

837
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: got his phone up, he's got his hand up, like, Hey,

838
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: I'm not being dangerous here, I'm just recording you. Now,

839
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: granted he's in the street, they're conducting an operation. What

840
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: is your right in that situation? We know you have

841
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: a right to record law enforcement, but where does that

842
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: right end relative to their safety and securing a seat.

843
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 4: Well, I'll start by saying that I'm not licensed to

844
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 4: practice law in Minnesota, so I can approach this only

845
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: based on my experience attorneys.

846
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: Here in Cincinnati.

847
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 4: But I will say that the Cincinnati Police Department has

848
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: a has a policy that they are trained on and

849
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 4: that it governs their activities, which specifically say states that

850
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 4: the department acknowledges that there is a First Amendment right

851
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 4: to to record their activities when they are in public.

852
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 4: You know, the the right to record is considered protected

853
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 4: by the First Amendment as a you know, fundamentally, it's

854
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 4: you know, the court is set over and over that

855
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 4: really the media doesn't have any special rights that any

856
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 4: citizen doesn't have. So if you're in public, you can

857
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 4: be recorded, and the police are are subject to that

858
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 4: same to that same protection. Now, where the line is,

859
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 4: I think, is where the where a person where a

860
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 4: person's activities somehow interfere with with law enforcement and some

861
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: you know, and this case they were carrying out supposedly.

862
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 4: I understand that the reason that that ice was there

863
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 4: in the first place was that they were carry on

864
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 4: and or they were looking for somebody specific, or they

865
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 4: were trying to erect. So some departments have tried to

866
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 4: establish physical guidelines. Is that line. Do you have to

867
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: be ten feet away? Do you have to be twenty

868
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 4: feet away? Do you have to be twenty five? If

869
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 4: you know, that's difficult the courts. Courts have struggled to

870
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 4: come down with the right answer, a specific answer to

871
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 4: what's the right distance. But so long as a person

872
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 4: is not physically interfering with an officer carrying out whatever

873
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: they're doing, then that that right to that right to

874
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 4: record is considered protected under the First Amendment.

875
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: Based on what you saw, was mister pretty and violation

876
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 2: of that too. I mean, you are on the street

877
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: or conducting operation. Technically you're not allowed to be out

878
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: on the street. But in a court, how would that apply?

879
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: Who's right who's wrong?

880
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 4: There?

881
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: How far does that go? And were they in the

882
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: right to push him back and out of the way.

883
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it surely would have been I mean, if if

884
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 4: if I'd been asked to analyze the state by the

885
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: by his family, I think surely take the position that

886
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 4: nothing he was doing was interfering with the with law

887
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 4: enforcements duty that it appears, it appears to me that

888
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 4: the arrest is taking place somewhere down somewhere down the

889
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,959
Speaker 4: road from where he's sitting, so his I wondered about

890
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 4: that several times when I when I've watched this, this

891
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 4: this interaction of the videos of it, is, what is

892
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 4: that officer doing who comes back and engages with not

893
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 4: just mister pretty, but there's another woman there, maybe two

894
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: maybe two people who are there and they are behind

895
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 4: a car there there. You know, he eventually gets them,

896
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 4: pushes them, and he pushes the one woman down onto

897
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: the ground. So I you know, it's this I will

898
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: tell you as a civil rights lawyer, if this interaction

899
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 4: had ended there, nobody had been shot, and they had

900
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: just been pushed and sprayed with pepper spray there, we

901
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 4: would have considered that a very questionable use of course,

902
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: because it's not clear what he's He's not attempting to

903
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 4: arrest them, Apparently they're not resisting in arrest, and they

904
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 4: are far enough away from the encounter that they can't

905
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 4: be said to be interfering with with with that arrest.

906
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 4: So I would have been deeply concerned just then with

907
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: with the with the fact that he chooses to use

908
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 4: Papa spray on them.

909
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, now there's a mitigating cubumstance. Of course, that's the

910
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: body camera video, which have started earlier than the citizen

911
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: video that you talked about, Rob Lindeman, And I think

912
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: that's got to be putt in the context as well.

913
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: What happened leading up to that, Had there been a

914
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: group of people around them, did they feel like I'm

915
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: being threatened? So again we're still waiting for that. There's

916
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: gotta be some context there, correct.

917
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 4: I would I would agree, Yeah, sure, I'd love to

918
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 4: I'd love to know that are is that video out?

919
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 4: I have to see.

920
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: No, I know that body camp but they even released it.

921
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: But that tells me that like if it, if it

922
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: exonerated the officers, they would have already released it, kind

923
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: of like you know, well they took the gun off them,

924
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 2: but we don't know if he a second gun. Yeah,

925
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: we do, because they would have said he had a

926
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: second gun and shown that.

927
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 4: Yeah. Sure, and you know that's another that's that's another

928
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: thing here that is always that that feels to me

929
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 4: like a real miss step by the by the management,

930
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 4: by the leadership at ice, which is that they've they've

931
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 4: they've taken a bunch of positions, they've made a bunch

932
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 4: of representations and provided descriptions about what what they think happened.

933
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 4: It feels like they've told us what conclusion they're going

934
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 4: to come to before they have completed an investigation. And again,

935
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 4: this is something that you know, most police departments have

936
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 4: policies on this stuff. The Cincinnati Police Department has a

937
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 4: specific provision in its in its Policy and Procedure Manual

938
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 4: that says, in an officer involved shooting, no member of

939
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 4: the investigation and no management is permitted to come out

940
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 4: and give an opinion on what has happened before the

941
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 4: before the people tasked with it are able to carry

942
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 4: out and complete the investigation. I mean it just you know,

943
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 4: there's an intuitive common sense to it. Don't show me

944
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 4: what conclusion you're going to reach before you right.

945
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: Right, And as I put out yesterday, it's like, if

946
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 2: that happens a local jurisdiction normally go, hey, we can't

947
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: investigate it. We are going to give it to Buera

948
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: Criminal Investigation and ah BCI takes it over in Ohio

949
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: and they investigate and say, okay, well there's almost a

950
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: propriety there here. It's like, well, we're going to investigate it.

951
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 2: After Christy Domes said that this was a domestic terrorist.

952
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: So they're fighting for their lives. It sounds like you

953
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: already ruled, made a ruling before you investigated. So we're

954
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: back to that again, kind of like the Teresa Thiji

955
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 2: firing here in Cincinnati. Rob let me pivt. By the way,

956
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: Rob Lindman on the show, he civil rights attorney, were

957
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: talking about what the right, what citizen's rights are, particularly

958
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: what's going on in Minnesota right there. Let me pivot

959
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: to the Second Amendment here. So Preddy was a lawful

960
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: gun owner. He had a valid valid that carry permit Minnesota,

961
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: had two magazines on him and the gun, and yet

962
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: was shot by federal agents who claimed he resisted attempts

963
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: to disarm him, despite the video showing you never brandished

964
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: or reacher his weapon. What Second Amendment protections exist for

965
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: lawful gun carriers when they encounter that.

966
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 4: I think he was the Minnesota has a statutory has

967
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 4: a statutory scheme. You do have to have a permit.

968
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 4: It's not an open or what we call a constitutional

969
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 4: carry state like Ohio, but it is. It has a

970
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 4: very simple permitting scheme, and it permits if you if

971
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: you have a permit. There's no reason why you can't

972
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 4: carry a weapon, a concealed weapon, And there's no specific

973
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 4: application to attending a protest that the statements that have

974
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: come out which have attempted to link at put some

975
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 4: limitation on on on the right to carry arms out

976
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 4: of protest or I don't know the legal basis one,

977
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 4: but let's put it that way. The Second Amendment applies,

978
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 4: and in many over the years, lots of protesters have

979
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 4: made a point to carry weapons openly at protests. Yes, yeah,

980
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 4: and and and that there's never been much of us

981
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 4: much much of an argument that that right doesn't apply.

982
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 4: There's no, there's no I'm not aware of any law

983
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 4: that attempts to restrict it. And in Minnesota is really

984
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 4: really not any different. I mean there that is even

985
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: a that that is a somewhat tightly regulated state, certainly

986
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 4: compared to Ohio, and that regulation doesn't exist. So it

987
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 4: strikes me this is another issue where the the leadership

988
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 4: at ice and seems to have gotten out over their

989
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 4: skis a little bit here. I mean, you have you

990
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 4: have people like I mean the cash catel Is specifically

991
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 4: said that car that people don't have the right to

992
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 4: carry weapons to a protest. There's a there's a US attorney,

993
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 4: an assistant US attorney out of California who made a

994
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 4: similar statement. And it strikes me that they are sending

995
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 4: themselves up on a bought position that is just not

996
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 4: legally supported, especially with this.

997
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: It doesn't know what the law is, doesn't know what

998
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 2: the constitution says. And you know, I'd agree with you

999
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: on this. And rub leniment is that no, We've seen

1000
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 2: how we had the protest after the Clan thing over

1001
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: seventy five in Lincoln Heights and protesters are out there

1002
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: counter protesters, I guess as well as clients. They had

1003
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 2: weapons on them and around law enforcement. That was fine.

1004
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: We had the Black Lives Matter protests. People were doing

1005
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: that at the Capitol and they were armed when they

1006
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: were protesting, and you know, law enforcement didn't flinch because

1007
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: you're allowed to carry it under what CONSTI authority can

1008
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: the agents take a gun off of citizen who's lawfully

1009
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 2: and legally carrying it to permit, not brandishing the weapon,

1010
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: not threatening anyone with the weapon. We saw that in

1011
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: this video. Isn't that then a state of a de

1012
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: facto of prohibition on the Second Amendment?

1013
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 4: Typically what you find was a police officer who has

1014
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 4: just conducting an otherwise reasonable stop has the right to

1015
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 4: ensure that everybody's safe. But the really, frankly, it's a

1016
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 4: this is an area of tension. The right to demonstrate

1017
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 4: versus the right of a police officer to be safe

1018
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 4: are sometimes thought to be in conflict. In fact, you

1019
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 4: see the police department and civil libertarians are often at

1020
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 4: odds on the issues of gun control, right even even

1021
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 4: very you know, we consider police police population. You know,

1022
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 4: police officers themselves to typically be pretty conservative, but they

1023
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 4: are the ones often are not don't have views that

1024
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 4: are less conservative on the issue of gun control because

1025
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 4: of the issue of police safety. But I think you're

1026
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 4: right that there is not a police officer Lincoln and arrest.

1027
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 4: There's very little questions that if if there's grounds for

1028
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 4: an arrest in the first place, that person can be

1029
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 4: can be disarmed into into that arrest or even you,

1030
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 4: or even one. I think the position that they would

1031
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 4: take here, that that ICE would take is that during

1032
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 4: the core of what might be a brief investigatory stop,

1033
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 4: the first question the officer is always going to ask you.

1034
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: Is are you know?

1035
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: Are you carrying any weapons? Are you do you carry

1036
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 4: any contraband? But that always requires a basic ground, the

1037
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 4: basic reason why the officers conducting the investigatory stop in

1038
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 4: the first place, and back to the year, back to

1039
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 4: where you started here. The fact that somebody assuming you

1040
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 4: is not grounds for it does not provide reasonable articulable

1041
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 4: grounds for a police officer to stop up site them

1042
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 4: to make a to do something in the first.

1043
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: Place, because you're exercising a fundamental constitial right and that's

1044
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: one and two. At the same time, you're filming and

1045
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: exercise your Second Amendment right to carry. It's interesting we

1046
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: got some feedback on this. Yes're a pushback anyway from

1047
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: people who think that the ICE was responsible and it

1048
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: was the fall of pretty in this thing, which I

1049
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: disagree with. After you watch these videos, and again we

1050
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 2: will see what the bodycam video shows if and when

1051
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: they release that. But I thought it interesting that that

1052
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 2: so you're saying, is that, well, pretty had a gun

1053
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: on him, you should tell law enforcement you have a

1054
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: gune on you for their own safety and security. Yet

1055
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: I wonder how many the same people who believe that

1056
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 2: in the Predy case were vehemently supporting Ohio when we

1057
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: ruled that out when it came to the Second Amendment

1058
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: here in Ohio and saying no, you don't have to

1059
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: tell a police officer if you're pulled over, if you

1060
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: have a weapon on you, you can't argue forward and

1061
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: against it when it can when it's convenient for you.

1062
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 4: I think i'd agree. Look, there's this is there are

1063
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: strange the sides are not clear here, It's not clear

1064
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 4: who would be on which side at the end of this.

1065
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 4: I mean, look, we go back to we go back

1066
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 4: to Kyle Rittenhouse and back in the being on the

1067
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 4: black and the Black Lives Matter Protestant people that that

1068
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 4: drew a lot of the same that raised a bunch

1069
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 4: of the same issues. I mean, Kyle Rittenhouse was I

1070
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 4: think that he was underaged. He was He'd trust eight

1071
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 4: lines with a with a with a weapon, so one

1072
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Speaker 4: could argue that he didn't have a lawful A lot

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Speaker 4: he wasn't allowed in the first place, but he was.

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Speaker 4: It was. It was it was violating interstate carry loss

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Speaker 4: for a mind or by showing up with a gun.

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Speaker 4: But that that prohibition doesn't just doesn't enter here. This

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00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 4: isn't This is an adult on the streets. And by

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00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 4: the way, you know this is an area. I'm not

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Speaker 4: really a gun I don't have a great field of

1080
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 4: expertise and the handling of guns. But what I've what

1081
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 4: I've read is, you know, to carry an extra magazine

1082
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 4: or two even is standard can feel chara tactics, you know.

1083
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Speaker 4: And I would know that the most police officers, the

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00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 4: cinematic police officers, when they leaves every day, they carry

1085
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Speaker 4: a hand gun and they carry a couple extra magazines.

1086
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Speaker 4: So the fact that he's carrying extra magazine says no

1087
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 4: particularly raise concerns for me about about his motives or

1088
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 4: now you have.

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Speaker 2: To ask him. But he's dead, So why are you

1090
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: carrying two magazine? And I don't know why that people

1091
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: would be upset with that, don't you know? I often

1092
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 2: don't if I care, I'm not carrying an extra mag

1093
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: But no idea. He was afraid of the things getting

1094
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: out of control and with rioting and wanted to get

1095
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: out of the protest and record, but want to get

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Speaker 2: out of there with his life. You don't blame the guy. Also,

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00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: I you know, we mentioned the first second Amendment, but

1098
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: the fourteenth Amendment applies here, which as has to do

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00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: with equal protection and due process when an agent kills

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00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: the citizens we saw with Pratty and Minnesota, and then

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00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: right away they characterize him as a domestic terrorist who

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00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: is planning to inflict maximum damage and provide no evidence

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00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: despite what we saw or even independent investigation. Did Christinome

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00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: kind of put her toe into a due process violation

1105
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: in that regard to because like you said, you know,

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00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: she made her mind up before any evidence came out. Uh,

1107
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: And it seems like it's flying the frase of what

1108
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: we what what the facts might be in this particular case.

1109
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 2: Is that a do process violation?

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00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 4: Seems like well, I think I think it's simpler than

1111
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 4: that probably. I mean, the basics of you know, the

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00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 4: state of Minnesota has original jurisdiction over any criminal conduct

1113
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 4: that happens in It's within its borders, right, and so

1114
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 4: they're the state of Minnesota, a prosecutor in Minnesota in

1115
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 4: that in Minneapolis will have jurisdiction to bring whatever criminal

1116
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 4: prosecution might apply here if the determination is made that

1117
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 4: this was an unlawful an unlawful killing of whatever of

1118
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 4: whatever respect. There's the Minnesota there is no statute of

1119
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 4: limitation for a for a wrongful killing in the state

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Speaker 4: of Minnesota, so that the I'm sure the prosecutors in

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00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 4: Minnesota are looking hard at this, and that's one of

1122
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 4: the reasons why they would have wanted to participate in

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Speaker 4: in the investigation here.

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Speaker 3: It's very it really not uh.

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Speaker 4: Well, the federal the federal government of course has its

1126
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 4: own right to investigate this more as soon. But usually

1127
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 4: you don't think of the of the federal government enforcing

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00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 4: things like murder. That's that that is typically unless it's

1129
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 4: unless it's tied up in some kind of federal federal crime,

1130
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 4: which is which is typically an interstate crime that is

1131
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 4: crossing line that the government official responsible for imposing that

1132
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 4: law is the state. So that's that's where you would

1133
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 4: expect that to lie. Here.

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00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: This rob feels like a tipping point to me in

1135
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: that Trump is talking to Waltz and they agreed on

1136
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: some things. They're going to take some ICE agents out there,

1137
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 2: they're pulling the border. Bring the borders are in, get

1138
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: rid of the other guys getting out of there. You

1139
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: have Republican lawmakers by the dozens now defending pretty uh.

1140
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: And so I look at this going is this is

1141
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: this finally the turning point? Here we go? Okay with?

1142
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: This is a line too far? And if so, it's

1143
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 2: a long time coming. So I don't know what all

1144
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 2: this means and what this means in the coming weeks.

1145
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if this story goes away or not.

1146
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess not unless something else happened. But it

1147
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: feels like, okay with this isn't a tipping point, you.

1148
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 4: Know, we can have we can only hope. So this

1149
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 4: is really posed. This this, this debate over over an

1150
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: immigration enforcement has posed a series of uh of conflict.

1151
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 4: They really haven't been explored deeply, you know. So maybe

1152
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 4: back to the Civil War, back to literally the you know,

1153
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 4: the state, the state actors seeing the law one way

1154
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 4: and seeing their rights to within their own jurisdiction is

1155
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 4: one way, whereas where the where the federal authorities are

1156
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 4: coming in and attempting to do something different. The whole

1157
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 4: the entire question about who's what what limits there are

1158
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 4: on federal power on uh, really our posts sharply here,

1159
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 4: So I think you're right, I will be. I'm it's

1160
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 4: really a shame that that it came to this, that

1161
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 4: that it is this event that has brought those that

1162
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 4: has brought the party that that has maybe brought people

1163
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 4: together here to look at what is what is the

1164
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 4: what is the right compromise? Was the right balance there?

1165
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 4: But I feel the same way you do that hopefully

1166
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 4: things have turned here.

1167
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Speaker 2: Rob Lineman is a promised civil rights attorney here in Cincinnati.

1168
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for laying it out for us and

1169
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 2: where your rights begin and end, although that's always in

1170
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: flux in this great country. Guars, Rob, all the best.

1171
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 2: Thanks are jumping on smart Go.

1172
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Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

1173
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: Take care. We'll do news update one return and we'll

1174
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: talk this one out just me and you. This morning.

1175
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: You heard all this stuff going uh as I was

1176
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: maybe more evidence, but I think the lack of new

1177
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: evidence coming out is pretty telling myself. We'll talk about

1178
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: that coming up. And also in the context of something

1179
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 2: that is something we saw that usher Trump in office

1180
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: the last two terms is missing and it's a flag.

1181
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: Do you know a flag? I'm talking about, and I

1182
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: think it applies here. We'll get into that right after

1183
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 2: news here seven hundred WW. There we go, there we go,

1184
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 2: there we go. We got something, we got something working.

1185
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: So cold the microphone stuff work, it's crazy. Hey, sloany here,

1186
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: this is seven hundred wl W. Thanks so much for

1187
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: checking on my show. I appreciate you. And if you

1188
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: miss part, portions of it or some else you want here,

1189
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: don't forget. We podcast right afterwards. That'll be up in

1190
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: all full three hours. Of course. We go where you go,

1191
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 2: bring the earbuds with you, man, woman, and if you're

1192
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: in something in the vehicle you're driving, you take us

1193
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 2: with you. It's all good. Just switch over to the stream.

1194
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 2: That's how we roll here, That's how we roll. I

1195
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: was just talking to a Robert linemann Esquire. He's a

1196
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 2: civil rights attorney in town. And what prosecutors Aaron prosecute,

1197
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: what protesters and the ice slash police are led to

1198
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: do and can't do. I think it's a good check

1199
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: up on our civil rights or constitutional amendments, and specifically

1200
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: the Bill rights. On top of my hat, I thought

1201
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 2: of one, two, and fourteen would be the big ones here.

1202
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: And you know, I was thinking of this driving in

1203
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: this morning because we had great conversations yesterday morning about

1204
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: this is I'm just curious for and I was just,

1205
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, safe to say. I think most people who

1206
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: will listening to the show or listening to radio station

1207
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: probably voted or support Trump and Republicans right, And I

1208
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 2: like to play not both sides against the middle. But

1209
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: I my personal view political view is I'm more libertarian,

1210
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: and I don't fully identify as libertarian because there's some

1211
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: issues I have. I am an enigma. I guess in

1212
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 2: my own sense, and I know what I see and

1213
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: I know what I like, and I know I care

1214
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: for and I want less government in my life because

1215
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: I've seen it both ways. And you know, the government

1216
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: gets involved in something, it just makes things worse. And

1217
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: I know that's kind of old school, you know, old

1218
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: neo con kind of stuff, but there's I think there's

1219
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: truth to that and we're seeing it. And I asked

1220
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: this question of you, if you're a huge MAGA or

1221
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: Trump supporter, and I'm just curious, and this isn't just

1222
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: Minnesota's everything else, would you be defending these policies if

1223
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris won the election. You going, well, this is different.

1224
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 2: They wouldn't be slowan, you're so stupid. They wouldn't be

1225
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: out there doing this, they'd be supporting ice protest. No, no, no,

1226
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: no no. The concern prior to this last election was,

1227
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: and we hear it every time that you know, democratic

1228
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: candidate comes along kind of like you hear from liberal

1229
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: liberal progressives about how, oh my god, you know so

1230
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: and so fill in the blank, Republican equals Nazi, and

1231
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: it's simply not true. The other side, you hear from conservatives,

1232
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: conservative Republicans says, well, this present of this candidate Kamala Harris,

1233
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, they're building a police state and

1234
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 2: ultimately what's going to happen is they're going to wage

1235
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: war against Christian conservatives. They're going to go after gun owners.

1236
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: They're taking our guns away. Of course that's not true.

1237
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah that liberals tend to want to push

1238
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: more gun legislations the fact, but no one's rounding the

1239
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 2: I remember when you know, Bamba was Toad, there was

1240
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: the rumor spreading about, you know, there was a bullet

1241
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 2: shortage because of this stuff, and you know he didn't

1242
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: he didn't ban bullets. I prefer a conservative in office

1243
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 2: when it comes to my Second Amendment rights, that's for sure.

1244
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: But I look at this thing and go, okay, well,

1245
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: if Kamala Harris, what would be different? So you know,

1246
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: they would she be going at when we see protests

1247
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: in the streets because she's going after Christian conservatives and

1248
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: gun owners. And if you were taking up arms against

1249
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 2: the government against tyranny. Isn't this what we're seeing right now?

1250
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: Or at least that's the perception of the people in Minnesota.

1251
00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: I guess the best way to look at it is

1252
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: prior to the twenty twenty election, and prior to this election.

1253
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: You know, we saw a lot of it. I don't

1254
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: see much of them anymore. And if you had one,

1255
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 2: I'm come curious to know where is it. And I'm

1256
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: talking about the Gadsden flag that don't tread on me flag.

1257
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: You saw a lot of that at the rallies and

1258
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: you know Trump's speaking and don't tread on me and

1259
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: the shirts I saw bumper stickat. I don't see many

1260
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 2: tread on don't tread on me flags anymore. I know,

1261
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: because it's cold, maybe you put them away. I'm not

1262
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: quite sure, but here's the problem. You're right, and I'm

1263
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 2: trying to be consistent if you believe that in the

1264
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: whole idea of the Gadsden flag and don't treat on

1265
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: me is hey, listen, civil liberties. You know what I

1266
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: want a limited government, And of course under Biden we

1267
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: saw an expanded government. But under Trump we've also seen

1268
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: an expanded government. You know, top of my hat, I

1269
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: can go, well, it's not just the Minnesota thing, but

1270
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: you know, the idea that you can force Intel to

1271
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: sell shares the government government controlled companies is literally the

1272
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 2: definition of socialism. Is it different that Trump's doing it

1273
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 2: instead of Kamala Harris or Joe Biden, because we shouldn't

1274
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 2: be looking at it going, oh, that's a great thing. No,

1275
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: it's not in the scope of it too. We're talking

1276
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 2: about captain credit card interest rates. But if Kamala Harris

1277
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: did that or the two thousand dollars dividend check, Biden

1278
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: did that with student loans and we were all pissed

1279
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: off about that more subsidy. But wait a minute, we're

1280
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: taking the tear iff money that's costing it. We're paying

1281
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: for more because of terrorists. And now we're going to

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Speaker 2: get the money back in a sub so our farmers

1283
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: for that matter, it's more the same thing. And I

1284
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 2: look at it going if the other side we're doing this,

1285
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: would it be different? And I have to say, no,

1286
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: it wouldn't it be the same thing. And I know

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01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: what's troubling now, especially in Minnesota is and I had

1288
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 2: a lady on yesterday, Betsy Brentner Smith front of the show,

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Speaker 2: she is with the National Police Association on at nine

1290
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: o'clock and we went head to head on this thing,

1291
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: and she said, you know, basically what they're doing is okay.

1292
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know if I agree with that. Man,

1293
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't listen. Then that's probably pretty scary

1294
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: to think that someone would listen to Christy Nomes press

1295
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 2: conference about how this is a domestic terrorist and was

1296
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: there to kill cops and believe that and then if

1297
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Speaker 2: you saw the video you went, yeah, that's what was happening.

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01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: We've lost our ability, I think, to be to make

1299
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 2: our own minds up. I think we would rather follow

1300
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 2: the lead. And it's true. It's like, you know, I

1301
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 2: mentioned that politics has become like religion. You know, you

1302
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: may have questions about your faith, your religion, and that's

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01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 2: why I got out of the business being Catholic. Well,

1304
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 2: largely it had to do with a bunch of things,

1305
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: and the least of which, of course, is the abuse

1306
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 2: stuff that they kept covering up. I said, I can't

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01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 2: that's not religion to me, that's a cult. If you

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01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: fully believe that. Oh no, no, no, people are just

1309
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 2: making this up and be no. It's like you have

1310
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 2: to be a little bit skeptical and judgmental. It doesn't

1311
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: mean you can't support your religion, but when you just

1312
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: simply turn your eye to atrocities, I can't support that.

1313
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 2: That just me my personal abuse. The same thing here.

1314
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,959
Speaker 2: It's like, I know what I saw, and I'm willing

1315
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 2: to change my view on it if and when we

1316
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: see the video from the body cans and what this guy,

1317
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 2: this pretty guy did or said or what his actions were,

1318
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: and maybe we didn't see it in the citizen video.

1319
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. I want to hear more of it.

1320
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: But if I were to make my matter right now,

1321
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this going, this is bad. There's no

1322
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 2: reason to shoot this guy. Well, he had a gun

1323
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: on him, yeah, but he wasn't brandishing the gun. He

1324
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: wasn't reaching for the gun. As a matter of fact,

1325
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 2: before they took him down, he had a cell phone,

1326
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: his camera out and his hand up like, hey, I'm

1327
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 2: not a threat to you. I don't have my hand

1328
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: in my pocket or anything like that. There's no reason

1329
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 2: to do that. And then you know, the pumbling started.

1330
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: Pull somebody pulls a gun off and then he gets shot.

1331
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 2: Like well, he might have had a second gun. Yeah,

1332
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 2: I think if he had a second gun, they already

1333
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: would have shown it. They showed the first gun. Whether

1334
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 2: they're going to wait to drop the second gun tomorrow,

1335
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 2: Like no, they would have said he had another gun

1336
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 2: on and was going to shoot an officer. Which if

1337
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: you're doing that and you're trying to reach out your weapon,

1338
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: you deserve to get shot. That's where got you haven't

1339
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 2: gun on you and you try to reach short when

1340
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: a cop is or in this case, an ice agent,

1341
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 2: you're gonna get shot. But that didn't happen in this case.

1342
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: And I think we just just kind of got to

1343
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: be consistent in this whole thing. And there's a lot

1344
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 2: of consistency out there, so you know, curious and I'm

1345
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 2: sure no one's going to admit this, but if you

1346
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: and all that, hey, don't tread on me. I want

1347
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: the government on. I want less government. Well this feels

1348
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 2: like it's like the same, if not morning level governm

1349
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I mentioned some of the

1350
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: non Minnesota things, but this latest example is, yeah, when

1351
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 2: you got ICE agents not granted, you know there are

1352
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: people out there that are here illegally. I think if

1353
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 2: you're here illegally and you're committing crimes. Now, the guy

1354
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: that they were rounding up, he had it coming. He

1355
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 2: was what a domestic abuser, I believe not a high crime,

1356
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,919
Speaker 2: and mismeet against the state was a conspiracy. But still,

1357
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 2: you know you're beating the hell out of people are

1358
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: here illegally, even i'd be showing the door. I support

1359
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 2: that in turning it around on the protesters, like everyone there,

1360
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 2: everyone ICE is rounding up, you're trying to stop them

1361
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: from doing it. Well, what if it's a person who,

1362
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 2: if you left unchecked, would go and rape your daughter

1363
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 2: or your wife or I don't know, go and he's

1364
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: an arsonist, right, burn your house down. Well that's different. No,

1365
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 2: it's the same thing. Like I think you also got

1366
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 2: to look at it going. Are they getting people? Are

1367
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 2: there picking up people who should be arrested.

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01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 3: Yes.

1369
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 2: The problem though, of course, is that some of the

1370
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: people they are and I don't know what the percentages aren't.

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01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're just doing this and kicking doors

1372
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: in with no warrant, by the way, just to simply

1373
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: get someone who's in this country illegally, that is that

1374
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: that seems to be an an extreme use of force,

1375
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 2: Like that's what this isn't about. We're told, hey, when

1376
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 2: we do this, we're going after the really bad people,

1377
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: the criminals, you know, MS thirteen, all the other the

1378
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: gang members. Okay, great, but now it's like, all right,

1379
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: guy at home depot who's been here in the country

1380
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: for ten or fifteen years, making money, paying taxes as

1381
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: a family, like, you know, snatching him up and deporting

1382
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 2: that doesn't make a lot of sense kids and everything else.

1383
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 2: So you know, it's like, if you just did this

1384
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 2: in the context of what we've told us, I think

1385
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 2: a lot of people would be And to my point,

1386
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 2: if you look at the numbers on immigration and enforcement,

1387
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 2: that Trump Trump was killing everybody and that was like

1388
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: one of the high one of the very few things

1389
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: he wasn't upside down on the polling, and now he's

1390
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 2: even lost him on that. So I think it goes

1391
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 2: show most people are most people are moderate in their

1392
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: views and go listen. I get what you're doing, but

1393
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: you can't go too far, you know, not having a

1394
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: warrant and knocking a door and you're an agency, you're not.

1395
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 2: You don't have a you don't have a court order

1396
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: for this. You can't simply do that.

1397
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 4: Now.

1398
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 2: If you're chasing somebody down the street, and maybe there's

1399
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 2: probable cause, it's one thing, but I don't know, smashing

1400
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: down doors, that's that' civil rights, you know, And it

1401
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: doesn't make you soft on immigration and saying well you

1402
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: just want that, you just want these illegals here. Yeah,

1403
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 2: you just simply can't round them up that way. We

1404
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 2: had horrible policies relative to immigration for the history of

1405
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 2: this country up until it's become an issue now. I'll

1406
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 2: remember when I think the first Bush was president and

1407
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 2: I was down in southern Texas and people are literally

1408
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: just walking across the border. I mean that was pretty

1409
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 2: conservative President George W. Bush Bush forty one. So, I mean,

1410
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 2: what's changed. We realize that there's drugs and crime and

1411
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 2: everything else coming in this country, and we've got to

1412
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 2: do something to make sure that we close the borders off. Okay, great,

1413
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 2: we were doing that. It's working really well, even without

1414
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: a wall, which I thought was a bad idea. So

1415
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 2: the policies are working, but it seems a lot of

1416
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 2: cases punching down. So the idea here that you know,

1417
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 2: you're allowed to be according to the civil right, you're

1418
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 2: allowed to be out in the street, you're allowed to video.

1419
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 2: If that leads to this shooting of pretty I just

1420
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: I look, I have a hard time going wow, that

1421
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 2: was a good shoot. That was justified. And I would

1422
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 2: say that most all the cases, whether it's ice or

1423
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 2: regular old police, I see him and I go, well,

1424
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: that's kind of what you get. You know, you had

1425
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 2: it coming because you're resisting, or you're showing force, or

1426
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: you're not showing your hands, and the officer's worried about

1427
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 2: his safety.

1428
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 4: That this was not that.

1429
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 2: You know, you instantly had five guys on him, and

1430
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 2: you know, instead of de escalating, you walked down and

1431
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: you shoved the guy. Now you know they's say he

1432
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 2: assaulted the officer. I mean he put his hand up

1433
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 2: because he's falling backwards, and then that woman you got

1434
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 2: pepper spray and a whole bunch of other stuff. I've

1435
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: never been pepper sprayed. I'm trying to go through life

1436
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 2: without being pepper sprayed or taste. And I go through

1437
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 2: life and go, yeah, I imagine that sucks. And you're

1438
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: probably grasping for things because you can't see, and then

1439
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 2: you're being shoved back at the same time. So like,

1440
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's like that wasn't the escalation. That

1441
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 2: was escalation, and he had a bunch officers on him instantly,

1442
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 2: and you know, they pull a gun out and then

1443
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 2: shoot the guy. It was up to that point like, okay,

1444
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 2: you could probably solve this in court, but once you

1445
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: shoot someone and kill them, there's no solving that in court.

1446
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 2: And I think most Americans are now, even Republicans are.

1447
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 2: A couple dozen Republicans are saying, hey, we got to

1448
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: investigate this. Good, it's about time would say this. I

1449
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 2: think that this, sadly, the death of this man, Alex

1450
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 2: pretty is a turning point for this whole thing. It's like,

1451
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 2: maybe we do start paying attention to going, hey, listen,

1452
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: just because it's the team I support doesn't mean they're

1453
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 2: always right. And I don't know why that's a bad thing.

1454
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 2: I don't know why we can't say that. I don't

1455
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 2: know why we can't admit and listen. I support him

1456
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 2: because they have good ideas and forcing law, whole bunch

1457
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 2: of stuff. But some stuff goes over the line, and

1458
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 2: this is one of the things that went over the line.

1459
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 2: In my opinion. Doesn't throw everything out that happens as

1460
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 2: good as a way. But you know, you've got to

1461
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 2: draw a line somewhere. You just simply can't like religion

1462
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 2: or sports going I my team winner. Hell, we're more

1463
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 2: critical of sports. Look what we do with the Bengals.

1464
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:22,560
Speaker 2: We want the Bengals to win and go to the

1465
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Yeah, but look how we tear them apart

1466
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 2: when they lose. We don't do that with our politicians.

1467
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 2: And these people work for us, and especially so much

1468
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 2: so if you voted for them. Just saying we got

1469
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,440
Speaker 2: a news update here in just minutes on seven hundred WLW,

1470
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 2: we are heading into a new area here. We had

1471
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 2: the heavy snowfall and now we have the very cool temperatures,

1472
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 2: meaning we are inside for the duration, and so we're

1473
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 2: inside more we're in dry environments. What does that mean

1474
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 2: cold flu RSV rates start to spread, maybe even COVID

1475
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 2: a little bit too.

1476
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 3: Well.

1477
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 2: Check in with doctor Stephen Vegan's doctor. Stephen is the

1478
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 2: director of Hamlet. He's a medical director for Hamlin count

1479
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 2: the Health Department, and we'll talk about the local flu

1480
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 2: outlook and so much more coming up at eleven oh

1481
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: seven right after news update, and then we close things

1482
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 2: out with Andy Shaffer from all Worth and how this

1483
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 2: is impact in the markets, which are looking pretty good today.

1484
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 2: I think we're up, Nastac's up a couple hundred points today,

1485
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: so it's definitely a good starting. Despite what we hear

1486
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 2: about all these problems in America and the tariffs and

1487
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 2: everything else, you know, buy and large, the markets have

1488
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 2: figured this out like, Okay, it's just noise. Every day

1489
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 2: there's going to be something new and we just won't

1490
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 2: pay attention to it. We probably need to be more

1491
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 2: like Wall Street in that sense as you look at it, go, yeah,

1492
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 2: are they freaking out over stuff?

1493
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: No?

1494
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 2: Okay, should we be freaking out?

1495
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 3: Yah?

1496
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 2: Probably not, because they they're not fedist. You know, they're

1497
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 2: not paying attention to the steady diet of doom, scrolling

1498
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 2: headlines and you know, cable news all that other stuff

1499
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 2: we pay attention to and thinking it's worse than it

1500
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 2: really is. We've got problems for sure, but you know,

1501
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: buying large economies someone along at this point, and I

1502
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 2: think we had to take some solace in that, quite honestly. Anyway,

1503
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 2: let me get a news update in and more follow

1504
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 2: at eleven oh seven. Here we talk a little flu

1505
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: and I guess it's gone down now, but it's going

1506
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 2: to start picking back up, is what I heard, starting

1507
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 2: next month, and probably because we're all stuck inside for sure.

1508
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 2: Scott's Flown Show on the Home of the Reds, seven

1509
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 2: hundred WLW, Cincinnati. Scott Flown Show on seven hundred W LW. Yeah,

1510
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 2: we got the cold, we got the ice, we've got

1511
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 2: the storm. Everything hopefully is behind us at this point.

1512
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 2: We'll see where we move from here. I do know

1513
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 2: this though, with everyone stuck inside, we're starting to see

1514
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 2: an increase see number of people presenting in emergency rooms

1515
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 2: and the like who are sick. Ohio's experience a high

1516
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 2: intensity flu outbreak right now. Also RSV respiratory virus season.

1517
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 2: This year, things have kind of staibled a little bit

1518
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: that way, but we're going to get a big surge again,

1519
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 2: I guess in February, so literally in a few days.

1520
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 2: Here it is in fluenza AA super flu strain that

1521
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 2: is out there right now, and right now we've been

1522
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: hospitalizations are nearly double what we saw at this time

1523
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,799
Speaker 2: last year, and about to get worse. Doctor Stephen Fagin's

1524
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 2: is the medical director for Hamlin County. Stephen, welcome, Harry, doctor.

1525
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 6: Thanks got good morning, happy cold cold morning.

1526
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding, right, I mean that's the other element

1527
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: here too, with these sub zero temperatures. You know, what

1528
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 2: do you guys? You know at the Hamlin County Health Department,

1529
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 2: most people had the last couple of days off anyways

1530
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 2: because of the ice and the snow and all that stuff.

1531
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: But what do you go deal with when we had

1532
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 2: a weather emergency like that.

1533
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 6: It is so cold on just a few minutes outside,

1534
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 6: especially doing things like shoveling snow, which can be the

1535
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 6: most dangerous thing you do for your part and for

1536
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 6: other things. Always take a few breaks the time and

1537
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 6: things like that. But so far, not a lot of hypothermia,

1538
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 6: thankfully people have been inside. But a big issue is

1539
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 6: people can't leave the hospital.

1540
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah you got you gotta get them out right, and

1541
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: we're all stuck inside now, which also further complicates the

1542
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 2: issue of cold and flu on ours v right.

1543
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 6: Can it can? And certainly you know those people that

1544
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 6: you're stuck in around.

1545
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 3: Out for a while, so they're not new people giving

1546
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 3: you stuff.

1547
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 6: But you know, you talk about the influenza, which really

1548
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 6: really skyrocketed sort of like in sort of early February,

1549
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 6: and because of the news training actually coming down here

1550
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 6: in southwest Ohio and starting around the state. And so

1551
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 6: we peaked, you know, right at sort of Christmas or

1552
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 6: this Christmas holiday, probably three and a half times the

1553
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 6: peak that we've seen before. We're still above, we're still

1554
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,759
Speaker 6: above the highest people. We we came down very quickly.

1555
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 6: And that's what kind of what you'll see for something

1556
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 6: that a community is not accustomed to. Thankfully, the two

1557
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 6: mutations occurred on the part that makes it infectious rather

1558
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 6: than part that makes it you know, virulent.

1559
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 3: Are really bad.

1560
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 6: So the deaths and things like that not not as much,

1561
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 6: but it is coming down. In my own hostile there

1562
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 6: were tons of flu.

1563
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 3: Now now not so much.

1564
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 2: Are we going to accord that the what I said

1565
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 2: was from the CDC about that we're expecting it to

1566
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 2: trend back upwards next month, literally another week or so.

1567
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 2: Are we going to see that here in Ohio, South

1568
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 2: in Kentucky.

1569
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 6: That's a big question on Board would like to know.

1570
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 6: And you know you've seen one flu seven, you've seen

1571
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 6: one flu season. I do think we'll see a double peak,

1572
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 6: second peak. You know, this is one strain of one strain,

1573
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 6: and so there are other strains of flu. There are

1574
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,560
Speaker 6: other strains of restless stuff. So I do think in

1575
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 6: February we'll see some kind of increase. I don't think

1576
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 6: it'll be anywhere near what we saw in early January.

1577
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's good news. The other element here too.

1578
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 2: People hear this and go, okay, well it's a super

1579
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 2: flu strain. It's dominant virus. I know people that are

1580
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 2: getting sick and a like, is it too late to

1581
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 2: get a flu shot?

1582
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 6: It was not too late to get a flu shot,

1583
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 6: especially since the probably next peak that we see will

1584
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 6: be exactly what the flues four, so a good match,

1585
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 6: and so no, it is absolutely not too late. It

1586
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 6: does take a week or two for it to have

1587
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 6: an effect. So you want to get it sooner than later.

1588
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 6: But we'll keep saying get a flu shot until the

1589
01:13:58,400 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 6: end of the flu season.

1590
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, Steven Stector Figan's if you got a shot

1591
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 2: in I don't know, September October, the conventional I don't

1592
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 2: know if it's it's wisdom or just a livestale, is that, Hey,

1593
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: that's only good for ninety days. You might have to

1594
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 2: get another one. Does the antibody stay in your body?

1595
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 2: Do you need another flu shot if you had it

1596
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:15,919
Speaker 2: in September October?

1597
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 6: That's a great question. You know, they do decrease, and

1598
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 6: that's why you get it. Every year last maybe six

1599
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 6: months at most four months probably average. Some people like

1600
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 6: to wait until they kind of know the flu is

1601
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 6: really really coming out there, but it's still there. There

1602
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 6: is no recommendation for a second flu shot, like a

1603
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,839
Speaker 6: second boost or anything. In fact, think nons of studies

1604
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 6: and it really didn't make a difference.

1605
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the season itself, it's only six months, and

1606
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 2: that that shot should last year what you're saying they should. Yeah,

1607
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 2: And if it doesn't, it's because well, we you know,

1608
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 2: it's a guessing game, you guys, you know they're working

1609
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 2: in the other half there they're working on what they

1610
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 2: think is going to be the strain, and sometimes you

1611
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 2: do miss that. But it does protect you in a

1612
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 2: sense that your antibodies are up in your own body

1613
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 2: that you produce UH to protect you. So even if

1614
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 2: you get the flu, can imagine it's happened to be

1615
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 2: last year. I always get the flu shot, and I

1616
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 2: got it last year, but it was only a couple

1617
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 2: of days. Hit me pretty hard, and I thought, well,

1618
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 2: thank god I had the flu shot because it'd be

1619
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 2: much much worse if I didn't. I still got it,

1620
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 2: but it wasn't as bad as it could have.

1621
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 6: Been, exactly like the Five Days of badness. There's also

1622
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 6: influence and medication still works in too. Thankfully the mutations

1623
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 6: has not really change that. So but you got to

1624
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 6: take it within the first day or two of the symptom.

1625
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 6: You know, they started very suddenly for it to work,

1626
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 6: and really it really does. It just stops it from replicating,

1627
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,799
Speaker 6: so it goes away faster when you take the medication.

1628
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, you still got to get a script for that too.

1629
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 2: It seems like that's something like an epi pench before

1630
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,759
Speaker 2: you Like, by the time I get to my doctor,

1631
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 2: they call the script and it's it's already advanced.

1632
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting, you know, making that over the counter.

1633
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 6: It isn't anti viral. Sometimes there are certain nursing homes

1634
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 6: if there's an outbreak, then they give it one to

1635
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,839
Speaker 6: day to everybody for a couple of weeks, even force things. Bamously,

1636
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 6: the US Olympic team had a flu outbreak and they

1637
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 6: took Cama flu and they won from five bowld medals,

1638
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 6: one winters from that team, so.

1639
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 2: You know, yeah again it's doctor Stephen Figgins. He's director

1640
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 2: Hamlet County Medical EMLA County Medical Director. I guess I

1641
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 2: should say we're talking about the flu and RS season

1642
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 2: where what these cold temperatures are going to be stuck

1643
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 2: indoors even more. Of course that causes it to be

1644
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 2: more communicable because you're around people the drier temperatures and

1645
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 2: other thing, which is why we advise having the humidity

1646
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 2: level in your house like around nice, comfortable thirty percent.

1647
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 2: It saves money, but also it may reduce you getting

1648
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 2: the sickness or at least passing on, which is in

1649
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 2: the workplace you don't really have that. This is why

1650
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,560
Speaker 2: we see the flu spread as much as we do

1651
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 2: humidity is a big part of part of this too, right,

1652
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:43,480
Speaker 2: that can't be understanding.

1653
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 1: It really is.

1654
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 6: And so why do you get cold in the cold.

1655
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 6: It's not necessarily the cold weather, it's the lower humidity

1656
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 6: and that's virus. So a ton of studies I've really

1657
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 6: shown that, you know, it's it's the lower humidity that

1658
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 6: doesn't really cause the virus and has a little very

1659
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 6: own to break up like higher if you look at

1660
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 6: versus say forty percent, you know you're gonna have a

1661
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 6: lot less virus property particles make it sixty plus for

1662
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 6: the higher humidity bacteria of the opposite though, it's actually

1663
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 6: lower humidity that you want for bacteria. That's how your

1664
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,839
Speaker 6: operating rooms are all run at lower humidity on purpose

1665
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 6: to prevent bacterial infections. And so it's the viruses that

1666
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 6: are not inhibited by the lower humidity. So what about

1667
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 6: it humidifier, you know, and and for that little piece

1668
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 6: that it helps helps with symptoms, may help increase the humidity,

1669
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 6: elect may help with symptoms, but make sure that you

1670
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 6: wash it because you don't want the bacteria in humidifying.

1671
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about maybe if we get a

1672
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 2: second wave the FED saying, Okay, CDC looks like we

1673
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 2: may see a spike in February, said got, I hope not.

1674
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 2: But some of you plan for the worst, hope for

1675
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 2: the best.

1676
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 6: We always plan for, say, if you're a health system,

1677
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 6: you always plan for a third in anything. Right now,

1678
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:02,560
Speaker 6: children since the children that seem more rs to the

1679
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 6: hospitalizations and flu, so there's always some virus or.

1680
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 3: Some kind of bactery.

1681
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 6: It's gonna going to be out there, so you're always

1682
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 6: planned for that. As a house, you know, you always

1683
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 6: plan for treatment or being able to call a healthcare

1684
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 6: provider to get medication or at least to get an

1685
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 6: evaluation if if need be. And so you know, the

1686
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 6: usual things are the are the usual things just like

1687
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 6: you're just like your mom.

1688
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 2: Said, yeah, well how are we doing on RSV?

1689
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 6: So r C is a in fact, if you look around,

1690
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 6: we don't know as much about our speakers. We don't

1691
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 6: test any adults.

1692
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 4: They tested children.

1693
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 3: More often than not.

1694
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 6: We don't test it, so it could be more than

1695
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 6: we we know. So we look at wastewater, and wastewater

1696
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 6: says show r SC levels being about half because they

1697
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 6: were very high at this time last year, so maybe

1698
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 6: half to two thirds of what they were last year,

1699
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 6: but certainly typical of this time of year.

1700
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So r SV is a from the entire generally

1701
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 2: hits the younger and maybe the older as well, but

1702
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 2: all of us. I think we all amen, I got

1703
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 2: I hope I don't get the flu this year, and

1704
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 2: a lot of people are sick. And I think there's

1705
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 2: also a misdiagnosis too, would you agree most people think

1706
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 2: they have the flu and it may not be the flu,

1707
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 2: or don't think they have the flu and they actually do.

1708
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 6: Oh, of course, and who knows what the you know

1709
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 6: what the cold is and soil You test pretty much

1710
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 6: everybody who comes in works department or at least gets

1711
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,560
Speaker 6: in the hospital gets at least a flu test A

1712
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 6: and B, and in a COVID test. Sometimes we do

1713
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 6: more if we're not sure.

1714
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean there's all.

1715
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 6: Kinds of stuff, you know, you you may or may

1716
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 6: not have had, and you get through it.

1717
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 2: How's our COVID rates by the way, so COVID, you.

1718
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 6: Know, kind of popped up and in fact I sort

1719
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 6: of see more in the hospital myself and maybe peaking

1720
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 6: U probably you know half of what last year and

1721
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 6: you had a little little peak in August, so we're

1722
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 6: roughly about that level. And so that's why, you know,

1723
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 6: when you look at the winter, you look at it

1724
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 6: as a whole respiratory season. It always seems like something's

1725
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 6: going to fill it. Floo comes down, COVID goes up, RSB, whatever,

1726
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 6: And so the actual number of respiratory I ealnits is

1727
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 6: are kind of constant for the curve through the winter.

1728
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 2: Right, is that part of the problem too. You mentioned

1729
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 2: all of the confluence of these things, and with multiple

1730
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 2: respiratory viruses co circulating, I think people need to know

1731
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 2: to make treatment decisions. For example, you know, I mentioned

1732
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 2: tamil flu for the flu, but what is the state

1733
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 2: here of accessible affordable testing in the county.

1734
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 6: It's pretty good, and so we do recommend, you know,

1735
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,799
Speaker 6: going in goo store and you can get a combination

1736
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 6: of flu and covid death. And in fact, you know,

1737
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 6: sometimes employers will ask employees to do that, like, hey,

1738
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 6: you're feeling bad, go and check that. Check that before

1739
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 6: you come. And certainly sports teams, hey you feeling bad,

1740
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 6: go ahead and check that. Law sports teams travel with

1741
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 6: those with those testings. So it's pretty pretty available, Like

1742
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 6: twenty dollars or so you can get there. You need

1743
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 6: to do two. And so you do need to do one. Okay,

1744
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 6: it's negative, you know, wait twelve hours or maybe the

1745
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 6: next day the second one just to confirm. And that's

1746
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 6: why there are two tests in those in those packets

1747
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 6: that you buy.

1748
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 2: Gotcha, what is the shelf life for that? By the way,

1749
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 2: most people don't even buy the reading expiration.

1750
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 6: Dates well, you know they're pretty good, pretty last at

1751
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 6: least a couple of years.

1752
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 3: Always check the expiration date.

1753
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 6: Hopefully don't sell stuff that's expired. But they they continue

1754
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 6: to study, you know, whether these things are still correct.

1755
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 6: Even though COVID changes, the test still picks it up

1756
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 6: and the influenza changes, the new flute still picked up

1757
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,719
Speaker 6: by the point care or the typical influenza tests. They've

1758
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 6: checked that, so they're still reasonably accurate. Hardst part is

1759
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 6: getting the thing up your nose to the point that

1760
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 6: it needs to be.

1761
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 2: Well, if you've been around during what six years ago,

1762
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 2: you remember jamming that thing up until it came out

1763
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 2: of the top of your head, So you know those

1764
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 2: days are back when you get the two we should

1765
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 2: be used to this stuff.

1766
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 3: Doctor, Well, sort of.

1767
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always uncomfortable to get that thing and get

1768
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,560
Speaker 2: that good sample, but again that you know what you

1769
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 2: have and can seek treatment relative to especially with flu,

1770
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 2: you can get early treatment and really knock that thing down.

1771
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 2: Between the vaccination and tamil, food products, anti virals, you're

1772
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 2: probably in pretty good shape. It seems like we are

1773
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 2: weathering the storm quite well here. We are, like you know,

1774
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 2: it feels like we're halfway through winter. Although Winner doesn't

1775
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 2: want to give it up, it's going to be a

1776
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 2: while here before we can stop having this conversation. But

1777
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 2: you see them on top of things and ready for

1778
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 2: whatever other nature throws out.

1779
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 6: It sounds like, well, thanks. And there's a ton of

1780
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 6: people epidemiologists and a ton of people always want and

1781
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 6: always looking want checking down the sort of you know,

1782
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 6: assous disease fighters there who are working, working all the time,

1783
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 6: and anytime something pops up, there's the conversation discussion. And

1784
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 6: we talk not just with the health departments, with the

1785
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 6: health systems, and so we have a pretty good network.

1786
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 6: We've been texting all morning of the health systems and

1787
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 6: health departments here in this part of the country.

1788
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you work together to make sure that

1789
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 2: you know, you see the trends coming before we know

1790
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 2: about them for sure. Is there something on the horizon

1791
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 2: you know about you can maybe in the next couple

1792
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 2: of weeks or a couple of months, how and how

1793
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 2: far in advance you kind of figure these things out well.

1794
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,879
Speaker 6: And so there is this thing called the winter vomiting

1795
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 6: thickness votavirus, you know, the things see on cruise it

1796
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 6: and stuff like that. And we in the past week

1797
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 6: or so have in fact seeing uh one or more

1798
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,560
Speaker 6: of our wastewater treatment plants start to come up in

1799
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 6: voatavirus and so probably put out you know, the alert

1800
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,560
Speaker 6: here in the next next day or so. And so

1801
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 6: that's not something you want either. And so it's not

1802
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 6: a bit so you know, but I will tell you

1803
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,640
Speaker 6: it's that right now it's roughly half of what it

1804
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 6: was this time of year. But this time of year

1805
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 6: last year we had one of the highest amounts of

1806
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 6: roatavirus that we've seen a long time. So so we're

1807
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 6: at typical levels, but we are you know, the wastewater

1808
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 6: is showing at and you know, wastewater doesn't lie for

1809
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 6: vatavirus because that's how it how it breads.

1810
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so rotavirus routine backs. Infants get it a lot too.

1811
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 2: But is it solely hand washing? And what is the

1812
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 2: as you call the vector the same? What how do

1813
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 2: you want to contract is it? Is it their dirty hands?

1814
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 1: Right?

1815
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 3: The same thing?

1816
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 6: Hand washing, good hand washing, nortrus, both of those are

1817
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 6: kind of the same. And so you know, good good

1818
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 6: hand washing, and especially especially Swinea family is really throwing

1819
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 6: up a lot. It is that you know, that bombit it,

1820
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 6: that's duchius. And so you want to sanitize that and

1821
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 6: make sure it's washed with soap and water, not hand

1822
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 6: sanitizer because the alcohol really didn't didn't take nor ours.

1823
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 2: Oh wow, so that's good news. Okay, I'll throw alcohol,

1824
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 2: you know, hand sanitizer on it. That does not do it.

1825
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 2: It's got to be soap, uh sir factor. And then

1826
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: you wash your hands for twenty seconds and get all

1827
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 2: those germs down the sink. Yes, yep, and only watched

1828
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 2: a second. Just rub your face, touch your hand to

1829
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 2: your face.

1830
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 4: You got it.

1831
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 2: If you got that habit, it's not a good one

1832
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 2: to have this. This is this time of year, that's

1833
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 2: for sure. Doctor Stephen Fagan's uh he is the medical

1834
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 2: Director Hamilt County. Thanks again so much for the information.

1835
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

1836
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 3: Be well, take care every day.

1837
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a few more people back at work today,

1838
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 2: but again we're not the full strength, as we say

1839
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 2: in hockey. We'll do a news update in a few minutes.

1840
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 2: At cold is gonna last. Here's a spoiler alert for

1841
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 2: you with the weather, it's gonna last for a couple

1842
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 2: of weeks. It's a good feel like anyway, maybe a

1843
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 2: week from Thursday possibly. I guess this is when we

1844
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,560
Speaker 2: may get near freezing at this point. Who knows. You

1845
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 2: just gotta bear down. We're gonna white knuckle it literally

1846
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 2: and figuratively for sure. So that's on the way. We

1847
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 2: get news update latest to Minnesota and we'll return a

1848
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 2: little money tune up. Andy Shaeffer drops in once again.

1849
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 2: He's with Simply Money and all Worth Advisors. Lots to

1850
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 2: talk about the markets, including India and the European Union

1851
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 2: getting together to try and gang up on the United

1852
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 2: States to try and circumvent tariffs. What does all that mean?

1853
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it next with Andy Shaeffer from Alworth

1854
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 2: on the Scott Sloan Show. This is seven hundred w

1855
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 2: time to talk about money, how to make it, how

1856
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 2: did you keep it, and how to keep others off

1857
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 2: your stack. This is all Worth Advice with Andy Schaeffer.

1858
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 2: All right, wrapping up the show this morning, as we

1859
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 2: do on Tuesdays with our buddy Andy Shaffer from all

1860
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 2: Worth Financial. Drew, Good morning house. Things in the deep

1861
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 2: priests for you way out there in Claremont County.

1862
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, everything's great. They cleared the roads pretty well for us,

1863
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 5: and you know we're just kind of hunkering down out here.

1864
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 5: But no business as usual as far as the markets go.

1865
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, and everyone is. I guess anyone possible

1866
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 2: working from home. Yesterday when I left the station, it

1867
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 2: looked like it was Christmas Day. There's no one in

1868
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 2: the parking garage today. A few more cars, but not many.

1869
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 2: So that, you know, from an economic perspective, that helps

1870
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 2: because you can work literally from anywhere. Let's get into

1871
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 2: this stuff. I'll put you on the spot and about

1872
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 2: this new deal that India and the Europeanian Union struck

1873
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 2: a trade deal. As you know, we hit them with

1874
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 2: fifty percent tariffs and now the EU and India said, okay,

1875
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,600
Speaker 2: you know what, we'll partner together and we'll trade with

1876
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 2: you guys kind of squeeze in America out. I think

1877
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 2: the biggest thing, top of my mind, Andy, is what

1878
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 2: about the auto market there, because we export a lot

1879
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 2: of our vehicles Detroit does to India.

1880
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1881
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 5: I think it remains to be seen how this is

1882
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 5: all going to work out, but it's fascinating to me.

1883
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 5: I love following the news from a jeipolitical standpoint and

1884
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,560
Speaker 5: how it might affect the economy in the markets. But

1885
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 5: this is kind of like the old end around for Canada, right,

1886
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 5: you know, because most of their you know, energy exports

1887
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,719
Speaker 5: have been to the United States, about ninety eight percent

1888
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 5: of their energy exports, and so it does make sense

1889
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 5: for them to actually look for other partners when doing deals,

1890
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 5: particularly with President Trump and the administration threatening one hundred

1891
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 5: percent tariffs on Canada if they get a deal done

1892
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 5: with China. So there's a lot of gamesmanship at play here.

1893
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 5: But essentially what this is is Canada is negotiating a

1894
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 5: deal where they're going to send a large amount of

1895
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 5: crude oil to India and in turn, India is going

1896
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 5: to refine a lot of the oil and send it

1897
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 5: back to Canada. And so you know, that irritates the

1898
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 5: Trump administration to some degree. We do enjoy our energy

1899
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 5: relationship with Canada, but I think you know, from Canada's standpoint,

1900
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 5: they probably do need to look for different partners. I

1901
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 5: think more interestingly is the deal that they are potentially

1902
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 5: entering in with China, And I think that is a

1903
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 5: little bit more concerning because the Trump administration at this

1904
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 5: point says, well, China is trying to look at kind

1905
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 5: of a workaround to get imports into the United States

1906
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 5: and avoid terriffs by going through Canada first. And so

1907
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 5: both of these deals that Canada is negotiating right now

1908
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 5: are very interesting and we'll see how it all plays out.

1909
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: All right, Are they working around as to the point

1910
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 2: where maybe we ought to rethink these tariffs, because I mean,

1911
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I'm going to ask you, is

1912
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 2: I don't know if the tariffs are working or not.

1913
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Speaker 2: If it's gone on so long that our former partners

1914
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 2: are starting to work without it's going, well, we'll just

1915
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 2: work around the United States. I mean, they can't completely

1916
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: squeeze it out were America, for God's sake, so we

1917
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 2: do everything.

1918
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Speaker 5: No, I don't think it's really going to have that

1919
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 5: big of an impact. I think some of it is

1920
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 5: you know, gamesmanship. You know, at the end of the day, Canada, India,

1921
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 5: and China all need the consumer market of the United States,

1922
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 5: where the most robust economy in the world. Everybody wants

1923
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 5: to sell their goods to us, and I think that,

1924
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 5: you know, it's more about creating leverage than anything else.

1925
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 5: So it will be interesting. We're going to get our

1926
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 5: trade deficit numbers that are delayed still from the government shutdown,

1927
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 5: but we're going to get those this week and will

1928
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 5: be interesting to see, you know, if we've been able

1929
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 5: to close the gap a little bit on that. But

1930
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 5: I don't think it's really going to have a major impact.

1931
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,480
Speaker 5: And again, most of this is a lot of negotiating

1932
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 5: employ Yeah, and I'm just curious to kind of watch

1933
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 5: it from the sidewine.

1934
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 2: What's our exit strategy then how we get out of this?

1935
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 5: Well, I think you know, first of all, you know,

1936
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,680
Speaker 5: they're putting pressure on us in all these countries, right

1937
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 5: whether it's China, whether it's Canada, whether it's India, and

1938
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 5: we have direct negotiations with each one of them, and ultimately,

1939
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 5: I think what we want to have happen is something

1940
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 5: that's a little bit more harmonious for everybody, so that

1941
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,560
Speaker 5: it does make sense. You know, initially the Trump administration

1942
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 5: and courage can to make some deals with China until

1943
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 5: they figured out, you know, kind of under the hood

1944
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 5: what was going on there, and the you know, from

1945
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 5: an economic standpoint, the fear is that trying to is

1946
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 5: trying to go through Canada to get their goods in

1947
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 5: the United States and avoid the tariffs, and so that

1948
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 5: we lose levers. So I think this will all work

1949
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 5: itself out over the next few months, and I don't

1950
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 5: really think it's going to have a major impact on

1951
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 5: the economy overall.

1952
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 2: Okay, good, it looks like markets agree with you there too. Good.

1953
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 2: I just you wonder, as a you know, just someone

1954
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 2: who buys stuff, way where this is all going at

1955
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 2: this point.

1956
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And there could be some moments in time where

1957
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 5: there might be some surges and prices you know, from

1958
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 5: imports with each of those countries, but none of it's

1959
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 5: going to be long term or lasting. And right now,

1960
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,480
Speaker 5: you know, energy prices are fairly low and fairly affordable,

1961
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 5: so we do have some leeway there.

1962
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 2: All right, Andy Schaeffer, I saw that gold is at

1963
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 2: fifty one hundred ounce right now, which is an all

1964
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 2: time high. Right there, you were. You were a guy

1965
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 2: told me not long ago, don't buy gold, gold, stoop,

1966
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 2: don't buy gold. When's the time good time to buy gold?

1967
01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 2: When's a good time to buy gold? When Andy said

1968
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 2: it was still but to buy gold, that's when the

1969
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 2: best time to buy gold was.

1970
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that.

1971
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 5: You know, when you look at the history of gold,

1972
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 5: it's not a very it's not a very good long

1973
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 5: term investment. Certainly, it's done very well lately, and you know,

1974
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 5: and I was mistaken about that. However, it's not the

1975
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 5: right time to buy gold. You're seeing right now with

1976
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 5: gold is that it is at all time highs and

1977
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 5: a lot of it has to do not with you

1978
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 5: and me, Scott. It's not the average investor that's going

1979
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:30,799
Speaker 5: out buying gold bars or stocking you know, their basements

1980
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 5: with all of this, you know, tangible gold. What we're

1981
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 5: seeing is that you're seeing a lot of the banking

1982
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 5: industries starting their heads their bets because of a lot

1983
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 5: of the geopolitical turmoil that we have, and they want

1984
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 5: to make sure that they have enough reserves to be

1985
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 5: able to withstand any type of financial crisis that may

1986
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 5: come down the road. Now, I think that's more just

1987
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 5: playing it safe than anything else. We're also seeing China

1988
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 5: buy a lot of gold as well, and that's driving

1989
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 5: up the price too, So you know, the average person

1990
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,799
Speaker 5: isn't going out there buying a ton of gold coins

1991
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 5: or gold bars. There is a little bit more exposure

1992
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 5: in gold ETFs. But you have to remember, you know,

1993
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 5: the S and P five hundred has done great too,

1994
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 5: So it's it's not like gold has done well in

1995
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 5: spite of other investments. It's just done well in addition

1996
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 5: to the other investments. Yeah, yeah, I get it's got

1997
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 5: I point your money. It's yeah, Okay, that's that's more.

1998
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 5: I guess it's more Willy's act. He's coming up at

1999
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 5: the twelve US. He's the gold guy. Put everything in

2000
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 5: the gold. Yeah, what you're saying, you know, we can

2001
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 5: talk about Willie. What what you are seeing is you

2002
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 5: are seeing a lot of wealthier families by gold because

2003
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 5: they don't need to chase returns. So for them, it's

2004
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 5: more about wealth preservation than anything else. You know, when

2005
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,560
Speaker 5: you've become extremely wealthy, it's more about protecting what you

2006
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 5: have as opposed to trying to generate more wealth. And

2007
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 5: so you are seeing you know, more established wealthy families

2008
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 5: by more gold as opposed to you know, the everyday.

2009
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 2: Joe Willy's got a room in his house. It's just gold, right,

2010
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 2: He said, well, yeah, sony, you gotta get gold. What

2011
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 2: about when, well, when I arm that happens when the

2012
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 2: liberal Democrats take over, The streets are rife with blood

2013
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 2: and our houses are on fire, and you're gonna need

2014
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 2: gold because currencies not go. What are you gonna do then?

2015
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 4: What? Now?

2016
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 2: And I said, I got a gun, I'll just take

2017
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 2: your gold.

2018
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 5: That's right, that's right.

2019
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 3: You can't eat gold.

2020
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 2: I don't know you're you're old, and I got guns.

2021
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,560
Speaker 2: I'll just give me a stick them up, give me that.

2022
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 2: Uh Andy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial, simply money. Let's

2023
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 2: talk about stop lelast or early last week, I guess

2024
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 2: should say, with the Greenland thing, we saw stocks take

2025
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 2: a dump, and then of course we said, well, hey,

2026
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 2: you know he goes just kidding, just joking, uh, and

2027
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 2: then the markets went back up too.

2028
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 4: Uh.

2029
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 2: And so it's see, I don't know if it's a

2030
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 2: whip saw as much I think the markets are just

2031
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 2: kind of used to this, but now we're on the Minnesota,

2032
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,440
Speaker 2: so we've moved from one controversy to any in Venezuela.

2033
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,639
Speaker 2: Seems like it's light years ago. For crying out loud,

2034
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 2: it seems like the markets of settling go, this is

2035
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 2: just gonna be you know, every day there's something new

2036
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 2: and we're not gonna pay attention to that. It feels

2037
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 2: like that to me.

2038
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'll see some swings, you know, generally speaking, when

2039
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:01,879
Speaker 5: the economies expand and we have you know, this turmoil.

2040
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 5: You know, from a geopolitical standpoint, you will see the

2041
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 5: market's whipsaul a little bit, but mostly that's due to

2042
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 5: investor irrational behavior. You know, people tend to respond to

2043
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 5: fear and greed, and fear is a bigger driver than greed.

2044
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 5: And a lot of people watch headlines. You know, when

2045
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 5: I talk to my clients, whether they're you know, lean

2046
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 5: right or they lean left, they usually watch news organizations

2047
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 5: that encourage what they already believe, as opposed to challenging

2048
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 5: their beliefs. And so you do have investors that respond

2049
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 5: to these types of things.

2050
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:32,600
Speaker 4: You know.

2051
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 5: Greenland's another one that's pretty fascinating. You know, when you

2052
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 5: look at Greenland. You know, initially it was the Trump

2053
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 5: administration say hey, we're going to move our military in there.

2054
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 5: We're gonna you know, basically take it over over. It's

2055
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 5: going to become the fifty first state. And you know,

2056
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 5: when he was in Davos two days later, he said,

2057
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 5: oh no, you know, we kind of have a deal

2058
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 5: done already. And I think from the Trump administration, when

2059
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 5: you look at Greenland, you know, from a geography standpoint,

2060
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 5: if you're looking at a clock, Greenland is you know,

2061
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 5: at one o'clock directly northeast of US, and it does

2062
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 5: make sense, you know from uh, you know from a

2063
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 5: defense stamp there that we have to have our foot

2064
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,600
Speaker 5: in that area not only for Arctic trade routes, but

2065
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 5: also to protect the Northern Hemisphere and North America. So

2066
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 5: you know, that seems to be working itself out as well.

2067
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 5: Now we have a base there already.

2068
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure the Danish wouldn't care if we put another

2069
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 2: one on the days A gah, go ahead, you're gonna

2070
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 2: put the infrastructure there, we should be okay. Yeah, it

2071
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 2: seems like it's an asset and the way things are

2072
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 2: changing the world. Yeah, but I don't know if you

2073
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 2: need to take the country over completely in order to

2074
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:31,640
Speaker 2: do that, which is all over countries that are are

2075
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 2: not ours. Although people will say, hey, this time, you know,

2076
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 2: but this time with the things on them at this

2077
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:38,639
Speaker 2: time it's different, Is it really all that different?

2078
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 4: No.

2079
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 5: And the other thing is is I think, you know,

2080
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 5: the Trump administration makes a good point about NATO. You know,

2081
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,839
Speaker 5: if if if China was able to get a foothold

2082
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 5: somehow to Greenland's rare earth minerals and those types of

2083
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 5: things that Denmark, probably it wouldn't be able to defend Greenland.

2084
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 5: And we are obligated as a nation, as a part

2085
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 5: of NATO to defend the other members of NATO. And

2086
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 5: I think that's why the Trump administration is saying, hey,

2087
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:05,479
Speaker 5: you know, we have a lot of skin in the

2088
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:07,640
Speaker 5: game here. You know, what we're trying to do is

2089
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 5: be preemptive to make sure that there is protection there

2090
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:14,560
Speaker 5: so that we're not reactionary if some type of military

2091
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 5: action takes place. And so it seems like cooler heads

2092
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 5: are prevailing. It seems like we're not We're not going

2093
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 5: to go in there and invade Greenland and take it over.

2094
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 5: It just seems like we're just going to have better

2095
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 5: deals in a more clear picture and try to get

2096
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 5: aligned in the same direction from a NATO standpoint.

2097
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 2: Gotcha, all right, We are in earning season right now.

2098
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 2: Actually hasn't go not quick kicked in a high gear yet,

2099
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 2: but some numbers are coming out. What do we see.

2100
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 5: Well, Ups came out, you know, and their earnings were

2101
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 5: pretty good, and you know, I think we're going to

2102
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 5: continue to see some decent growth. Looking at about eight

2103
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 5: point four percent s and P five hundred earnings growth

2104
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 5: in quarter four, probably about seven point five revenue growth.

2105
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,640
Speaker 5: But typically you know, we usually see earnings to the

2106
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 5: side of that. Remember, companies kind of want to low

2107
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 5: ball their estimations because they want to tell their shareholder

2108
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 5: how good that we've done by beating those estimations. You know,

2109
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty five, earnings growth rate was over thirteen

2110
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:10,599
Speaker 5: percent and that exceeded the expectation of five point six percent.

2111
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 5: So you know, we might see a little bit more

2112
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:15,559
Speaker 5: of the same. We're just getting started in earning a season.

2113
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 5: We do have a number of companies that I'm looking

2114
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 5: at this week that are going to report, including Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Meta,

2115
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 5: Microsoft and Video, and Tesla you know, so we'll see

2116
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:30,799
Speaker 5: what happens. But right now things are trending towards the positive.

2117
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 5: All right, that's good.

2118
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 2: So looking ahead here you mentioned a little bit of

2119
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 2: that too, don't we have a FED and Reserve meeting

2120
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 2: and meetings every week? Oh, we got a big meeting. Yeah,

2121
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 2: that's all they do, is me. Yeah, they like, yeah,

2122
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 2: that's right.

2123
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,799
Speaker 5: Well, we're going to get the feder Reserve Monetary policy

2124
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,599
Speaker 5: meetings on Wednesday as always. We're going to get FED

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Speaker 5: sham and pals communication and taking questions after that meeting.

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Speaker 5: Right now, we're kind of in a goldilocks situation from

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Speaker 5: an economic standpoint. You know, we're close to form ployment,

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Speaker 5: inflation is under control. So I don't think there's going

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Speaker 5: to be a lot of earth shattering news when FED

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Speaker 5: chairman speaks. I don't expect that we're going to see

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Speaker 5: any rate changes this month. And you know, more, it's

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Speaker 5: more important to understand what the guidance is from the Fed.

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Speaker 5: You know, what are they looking at moving forward? And

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Speaker 5: that's why I like listening to the press conference because

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Speaker 5: a lot of good questions get asked. You know, it's

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Speaker 5: likely we probably don't see another cut until June. The

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Speaker 5: Fed is in no hurry, so right now, you know

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Speaker 5: their stance is still pretty dubbish.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Speaking of things coming up ahead this year, I

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Speaker 2: know that now we have officially started, the green flag

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Speaker 2: is up on tax season, we have taxis. I think

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Speaker 2: most people are going to get more money this year, right, yeah.

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Speaker 5: We'll see. You know, the Trump administration is implemented. You

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Speaker 5: know some bigger refunds this year. You know some of

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Speaker 5: those include the senior deduction. If you're over sixty five,

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Speaker 5: you might be eligible for the new six thousand dollars

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Speaker 5: senior deduction. Now there is an income phase out. The

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Speaker 5: phase out is seventy five thousand dollars for individuals and

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Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty five dollars for joint filers. But

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Speaker 5: you know that can be significant. There's going to be

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Speaker 5: continuing no tax on tips. Self played workers can deduct

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Speaker 5: qualified tips. You know that the IRS deems customarily and

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Speaker 5: regularly receiving tics tips. No tax on overtime. That's a

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Speaker 5: big one. One that I'm interested in is the no

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Speaker 5: tax and car loan interests. So if you bought a

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Speaker 5: car in twenty twenty five, it took out a loan

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Speaker 5: to finance it. You can deduct up to ten thousand

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Speaker 5: dollars on that loan interest, you know, to qualify, though,

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Speaker 5: the car net needs to have its final assembly here

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Speaker 5: in the United States. But there is a phase out

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Speaker 5: there too, so if you have income over one hundred

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Speaker 5: thousand dollars or two hundred thousand dollars for joint filers,

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Speaker 5: you won't be eligible for that either. But you know, overall,

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Speaker 5: there's a lot more opportunity out there, so if you're

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Speaker 5: working with a financial advisor or a CPA, make sure

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Speaker 5: you inquire about some other opportunities for tax deductions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, Andy Shaeff are all worth financial. Their

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Speaker 2: show simply money there is at six o'clock on fifty

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Speaker 2: five KRC every weeknight. Andy checks in every Tuesday a

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Speaker 2: little cash money update this morning, dual, Well the best.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk again in a week. Be well and stay warm, okay,

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Speaker 2: Scott you too, all right, appreciate it man. We have

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Speaker 2: a news update coming up in just minutes. Latest what's

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Speaker 2: going on in Minnesota of course, and closer to home,

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Speaker 2: of course, how we're fighting the severe cold right now,

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Speaker 2: along with the snow removal efforts that continue I know

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Speaker 2: Bill Cuningham is going to talk about that coming up

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Speaker 2: in just a few minutes. Right after that news update,

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Speaker 2: I'm back tomorrow at nine oh six on the home

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Speaker 2: of the Reds. Believe it or not, we're inside that

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Speaker 2: sixty day window for Red's baseball to start. Won't be

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Speaker 2: long before they're reporting the goodyear and thoughts of warm

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Speaker 2: weather collectively. You think baseball it'll help you feel warmer.

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Speaker 2: It's a fact. Try it. Scott'sloan, Home to the red

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Speaker 2: seven hundred w Rison's Net