1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Pennstation East Coast Subs since e three sixty about Cincinnati 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: from Cincinnati, sponsored in part by Penstation East Coast Subs, 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: handcrafted hot grilled subs, fresh cut fries, and lemonade. It's 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: all about good taste. Penn Station East Coast Subs order 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: online today. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in. Our number three is Cincy three 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore. We've 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: talked a lot of football over the first couple hours 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: of the show. I want to split it up. I 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit of Bearcat football, I 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit of baseball, and I 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: want to talk about it with a guy who can 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 2: now do both. I guess he could always do both. 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: But his name's Jeff Carr from the Locked On Reds podcast, 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: and he joins us. Now, Hi, Jeff, how are you Austin. 16 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: I'm doing awesome. 17 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: We got a chance to be Bowl eligible in October 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 3: for the Bearcat. 19 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: This is looking yeah, tell me about this. All of 20 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: a sudden, I'm scrolling through Twitter and I see Jeff 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: Carr hosting the Locked On Bearcats podcast. How did this 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: happen and what can people expect if they listen and 23 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: follow along. 24 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's It's been something I've talked about a little 25 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: bit for the last on and off for the last 26 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: year with our college channel manager at Locked On, and 27 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 3: I just decided to take advantage of the opportunity definitely 28 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: talking all things Bearcats athletics. Of course, right now football 29 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: is dominating the talk, but also getting excited for the 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: basketball season with a couple of scrimmages coming up, and 31 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 3: we'll talk you know, a little bit of baseball here 32 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: and there when baseball gets going later on in the year, 33 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: and it's going to be all about UC athletics, you know, 34 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: five days a week. I mean, the same deal as 35 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: Locked On Reds, just you know, talking Bearcats athletics. 36 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: Now, if I'm not mistaken, you're a Bearcat football season 37 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: ticket holder and have been for a while? Am I am? 38 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: I right on that? 39 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, seven, this is my seventh year doing it now, 40 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 3: so I've been around a bunch. And then also because 41 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: I go every Saturday home game with my father in 42 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: law and he's hadn't even longer going back to the 43 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: beginning of the Timmy Tepper bell Are. 44 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: So you know, we've seen it all. You've seen a 45 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: few things, to say the least with this particular team. 46 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: What excites you the most about the Bearcats, It's. 47 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 3: Got to be the offense, And honestly, it's at the 48 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: core of the offense. It's the offensive line. I mean, 49 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: having watched enough Bengals games and then also going Bearcats wise, like, 50 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 3: it's so refreshing to watch a good unit up front 51 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 3: really blocking for both the running game and the passing game. 52 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 3: Like I mean, Brendan Stores has only been sacked one 53 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 3: time this year and it's all because of that group 54 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: up front. Now, they got exposed a little bit against UCF, 55 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 3: but that's why I expect them to just absolutely dominate 56 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: Oklahoma State this weekend. 57 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: I'm very excited to see that. Yeah, what does that 58 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: do for the fan base? You think to as you 59 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: mentioned at the start, be Bowl eligible in the middle 60 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: of October with still five games to go, Like, how 61 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: much does that help Scott Saderfield? How much does that 62 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 2: help just the brand of UC football as a whole. 63 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: After kind of stumbling the last couple of years, Well, we. 64 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: Came into this year not really knowing what to expect 65 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: from Scott's Sadderfield and some of us, including myself. I mean, 66 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 3: my first episode that I did on Lockdown Bearcats was 67 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: it's time for Scott Saderfield to stand up and show 68 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 3: us who he is this season, because I get it. 69 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 3: You know, first couple of years in the Big twelve, 70 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: you got to be like, all right, you know, new system, 71 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 3: new team, new roster, all this other stuff. It's kind 72 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: of get put into place. But now you're three got 73 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 3: to figure out what's going on. And I think it's 74 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: been so huge that obviously the win of Kansas and 75 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: the win at Homing and Siawa State that really kind 76 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: of cooled that seat off quite a bit. I mean, 77 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: if you beat Oklahoma State here and you get your 78 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: sixth wind in October, folks are gonna not even think 79 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: about that type of a deal because we were just 80 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: hoping for Bowl eligibility. Now we're looking at can the 81 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: Bearcats contend with Texas Tech in Arizona State and you 82 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: know those teams. 83 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: At the top. My favorite stat I saw is that 84 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: the Bearcats are one of four teams who have not 85 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: recorded an interception this season, but they've faced a ton 86 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 2: more passing attempts than the other three teams that haven't 87 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: recorded an interception. Like, it's not just the offense. The 88 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: defense is effective as well. 89 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: It's effective and like the most frustrating way to watch, 90 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: to be honest with you, man, Like I mean this 91 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: three three, five, that it's got such a cushion where 92 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: that those first five to eight yards they're just giving 93 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: to the defense or to the opposing offense, and they're 94 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 3: just like, hey, you know, take it. It's there for you. 95 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: But we know that at some point you're gonna mess up. 96 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: And they haven't messed up to the two to turn 97 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: the ball over like you mentioned. I mean, there was 98 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: the one play against Iowa State that was clearly a 99 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 3: pick and clearly not a defensive pass interference, and yet 100 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 3: that's exactly what they called. But other than that, there 101 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: hasn't been a pick, and there's definitely been some dropped opportunities. 102 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 3: I think that's going to change this week. I think 103 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: you're going to see somebody get their hands on the 104 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: ball because you've got a couple of quarterbacks in Oklahoma State. 105 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 3: One of them started the year as a wide receiver, 106 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: although he played some quarterback early on in his college career, 107 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: but he was transferred to Oklahoma State as a receiver. 108 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 3: That's going to be Sam Jackson, the guy that's starting, 109 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 3: and then the guy that's backing them up that the 110 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: Bearcats will probably see a little bit as well. Noah 111 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: Walters was playing flag football at uc F last year, 112 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: so there's going to be an opportunity to create a 113 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: few turnovers in this game. 114 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: Think let's switch to basketball quick before I get to 115 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: the Reds. Bad news yesterday Jalen Hayes out indefinitely a 116 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: big man with a lower body injury. But I did 117 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 2: see Joe Lenardi in his very early bracketology that he 118 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: does early every October. As you see as a nine 119 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: seed in the West Region, what is a fair expectation 120 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 2: You've think for Wes Miller and the basketball team? 121 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 3: This year got to be the tournament. Whether it's a 122 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 3: nine seed on eleven seed, whatever, the seed, just be 123 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: a seed. 124 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: Get in like that. 125 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: There's been so long now, and I love Wes Miller. 126 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 3: I think he's an easy to root for coach. He's 127 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: just really personable when he's talking about the game, and 128 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 3: obviously a really good bringer of talent. It's just the 129 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: development side and the in game strategy side that we 130 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 3: haven't seen enough of, and this kind of feels like 131 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 3: the year, like you gotta get to the dance, and 132 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: if you don't get to the dance, there's gonna be 133 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: some tough questions being asked. And you know, losing Jalen 134 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 3: Haynes is gonna be tough on the offensive side. But 135 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: even kim pom likes their defensive you know, potential, and 136 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: it feels like their defense is going to keep them 137 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 3: in most games. I did see the kim Pom's got 138 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: them projected for twenty wins, which for me, I mean 139 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: that's why Joe Len already's talking about them being in 140 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 3: at least on the preseason expectation side of things, and 141 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 3: I think as long as that continues and see some 142 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: of the unknowns, because there's definitely some guys on this 143 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: team that you could about flip a coin in heads 144 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: or tails, it's going to be one or the other, 145 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: and I think I would agree with you. So if 146 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: we see more heads than tails, I think we're going 147 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: to see a team that maybe even pushes for a 148 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: higher seed in this tournament. 149 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: Talking to Jeff Carr locked on Bearcats and one half 150 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: of the Locked On Reds podcast alongside Steve Offenbaker. We've 151 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: gotten into the off season now we're still in obviously 152 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: the LCS. What is the biggest what stands out to 153 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: you as the number one thing that has to be 154 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: done in the Reds off season checklist? They have got 155 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: to bring the power. 156 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: And I think it's so ironic that that is the 157 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: the graphic that they use on the scoreboard whenever they 158 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: bring in a closer, you know, bring the power. It's 159 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: just like, yeah, no, that's that's good. But what about 160 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 3: the lineup power the bats? We need to see that 161 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: because there's statistics going all over the place. I mean, 162 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: Langs is talking about how teams that are so much 163 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: more likely to win a playoff game than the teams 164 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: that don't hit home runs. And then you look at 165 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: the Mariners. The Mariners are built the way that the 166 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: Reds want to be, and that they have an elite 167 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: pitching staff, but they also have that long ball capability. 168 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: It just never felt like the Reds had a consistent 169 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: dude that you looked at and he said that dude's 170 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: gonna go. You are like, I know that Ellie can 171 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 3: hit the water, but I also don't know that he 172 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 3: understands who he is as a hitter, because it kind 173 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: of feels like he goes from one guy or the 174 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: other where it's like, I'm an on base guy, I'm 175 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: a power guy. Like he's just got to figure out 176 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: what his identity is as a hitter, and so you 177 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: need that dude. Like, I'm looking at a guy and 178 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 3: if he doesn't stay in Seattle, go get Josh Naylor, 179 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: bring him in, be a dh put him in the 180 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 3: fourth spot in this lineup, and let's move forward. Because 181 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: it feels like that's the one thing that is holding 182 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: them back is that they don't have that power. 183 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: Threat in the middle. Obviously, everybody wants it's Kyle Schwarber, 184 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: myself included. We would all love to have Kyle Schwarber. 185 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: I don't think that's realistic. Where do you stand on that? 186 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: And if so, a guy like Naylor, who are some 187 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: other names that could be realistic targets for the Rents. 188 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: I would love to have Kyle Schwarber. 189 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: I just know this team and I know how they 190 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: operate financially. It's not to say that they're punting on 191 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 3: the off season. It's that you know, Nick Crawl has 192 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: a budget number, and it's not as if that number 193 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 3: is going to compete with the Mets or the Phillies 194 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: or even the Cubs, who albeit they have a higher 195 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 3: number than the Reds, but they seem to want to stay. 196 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: Under the luxury tax for their own reasons. 197 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: But I think that there are a number of teams 198 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: that are going to step up and offer Kyle Schwarber 199 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: much more than the Reds will, and more years as well, 200 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: and they just seem very reticent to give out very 201 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: long term contracts at the moment. So I'm thinking that 202 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 3: he's out of this equ although I'd be really really 203 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: happy if he weren't. I just don't expect it at all. 204 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 3: But yeah, Josh Nayler is one of the key guys 205 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 3: that I'm looking at. I'm also looking at a dude, 206 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: and he's had some injury concerns here recently, but I 207 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: think that he could be a very interesting bi low 208 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: candidate in Reese Hoskins. We've seen him a little bit 209 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: with Milwaukee. You know, there's some websites that try to 210 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 3: give expectations as far as free agent's value goes, and 211 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: they have him under ten million dollars a year that's 212 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: going to be perfectly palatable for Nick Crawl. Put him 213 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: at the DH spot. Maybe he plays a little bit 214 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: of first base if you need him to, but he's 215 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 3: going to hit some dingers because Baseball Reference has his 216 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 3: career trajectory at a guy who would hit thirty four 217 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: home runs if he played one hundred and sixty two games, 218 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: So you just average that out to what he plays 219 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 3: and then also a factor in Grean American Ballpark, a 220 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: place that he hasn't played a whole lot in his career, 221 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 3: and I think that we can see a guy that 222 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: really fits into that middle of the order potential. 223 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: One of the other issues is getting the bullpen back 224 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: together because of the expiring contracts and just kind of 225 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: the way it's been built. They have some guys that 226 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: they have to replace. They have to supplement that bullpen. 227 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: Are they able to do both? Can they put together 228 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: a competitive and sustainable, dependable bullpen and get power in 229 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: the same offseason? I think so. 230 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 3: I think it starts with picking up the option on 231 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 3: Scott Barlow. They have a club option for I think 232 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 3: six and a half million on him. Pick it up 233 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: right now. Just do it, because dude is durable dude, 234 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 3: is reliable. He's not the most exciting relief pitcher, but 235 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: he is exactly what you need, and then he has 236 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: a role exactly. We know who he is, and I 237 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 3: think that there's some other guys too that could fill roles. 238 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: We don't necessarily know for sure, but there's a lot 239 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: of hype and a lot of excitement around a guy 240 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: like Connor Phillips. I think that at the very least, 241 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: he could be your setup guy. If he continues his 242 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: wonderful control with the elite stuff that he has, he 243 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: can be your closer easily. But I don't know that 244 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: I give him that role on opening day. I think 245 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: opening day your closer is Tony Santion, and I'm okay 246 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: hand in that too, sure, because I think that he's 247 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: he's shown that he has the trustworthiness and he's got 248 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 3: the stuff. I think he's gonna rest up this offseason, 249 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: be okay. I don't necessarily think that the Reds will 250 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 3: be in the market for emeliopa guy, because I think 251 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 3: that he will have earned a contract that the Reds 252 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 3: just don't give to relief pitchers. I think he's gonna make, 253 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: you know, something above ten million a year probably, and 254 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 3: that's more than what they're going to pay for a closer. 255 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: And then on the other side of that, like I 256 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: think if you just bring in one more veteran guy 257 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: to either be a setup guy or to be a 258 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: middle relief option, you can feel a lot better about 259 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,239 Speaker 3: some of the younger, more coin flip guys in this 260 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: this bullpen. I don't think they're going to rebuild their 261 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 3: bullpen in the same manner that you would expect a 262 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: team that just saw its bullpen absolutely get this droid 263 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 3: by how much they were used, not necessarily destroyed by 264 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: like how how bad they were hit. But I think 265 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: that they have found a couple of key guys in 266 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 3: house that they can rely on, and then there might 267 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 3: even be one or two dudes who miss out on 268 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: the rotation on opening Day that they decide they could 269 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 3: put into the bullpen and have as like a spot 270 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: starter slash, you know, key arm in the middle that 271 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 3: could give you a little bit of length. 272 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: It's been floated out there, the idea of the Reds 273 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: potentially trading Hunter Green this offseason. I don't necessarily agree 274 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: with that, but I don't know that i'd be all 275 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: that surprised if it actually happens. Where do you stand 276 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 2: on that and is that a realistic possibility in your mind? 277 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: I would be surprised if that happens. I know that. 278 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: I know that Nick Crawl was, you know, his trademark 279 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 3: non committal self whenever he was asked about it, and 280 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: people take that to mean like, oh, they'd be okay 281 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: with it, but I I really don't think. 282 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: They will do that. 283 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 3: There's he's not even gonna be the highest paid player 284 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 3: on the team this next season. Based on some arbitration projections, 285 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 3: that would be Brady's singer, and I think for me 286 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 3: that's gonna be the first guy that they look to 287 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: move if they're interested looking to trade somebody out of 288 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: their starting rotation because they're not lose I mean, they 289 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: lose Zach Ltel, but I think Zach Lytel was brought 290 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: in because of the injuries to Rhet Louder and because 291 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: of the fact that you weren't willing to throw Chase 292 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: Burns for one hundred and fifty innings this past year, 293 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 3: which I could see them getting close to that number 294 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: next year with him, and then as long as Rhet 295 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: Louder is healthy, Rhet Louder is gonna throw at least 296 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty innings for them next year as well. 297 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: So then you add that in and with Julian Agiar 298 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: Brandon Williamson, you're gonna be able to fill in a 299 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 3: lot of gaps that people are perceiving there could be 300 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: in that starting rotation. And then if you look at 301 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: the top three, obviously we know who those guys are 302 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 3: in Green, Lidolo, and Abbot, and those guys are going 303 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: to be ready to go for as much as they 304 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: could possibly stand. I think that you could stomach the 305 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 3: loss of Brady Singer where you can sell his durability, 306 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: you can sell his performance, and you can get yourself 307 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: an outfielder because I think that there's a couple of 308 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: teams out there that are looking for that starting rotation 309 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: help and have outfield depth to trade from, and you 310 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: don't necessarily have to reach back and give him Hunter 311 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: Green in order to do it. 312 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: You mentioned the outfield. We know that there are some 313 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: prospects within the system, and somebody that I keep hearing 314 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: about is Hector Rodriguez, who can play the outfield. He 315 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: figures to be part of the plans going into twenty 316 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: twenty five, maybe not right away. Give fans a scouting 317 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: report on Hector Rodriguez and what you expect the Reds 318 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: to do with him going into twenty twenty six. 319 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: I would say we probably see him around May, maybe June. 320 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 3: And the biggest thing with him is the swinging miss problem. 321 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: He swings a lot and he misses a lot, but 322 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: when he hits it, he hits it a long way. 323 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: A little bit of rees signs in him when it 324 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 3: comes to scouting report, where you know, the power is 325 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: good and there could be a lot of extra base potential, 326 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: but there is a lot of strikeouts in there as well. 327 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: So he kind of fits the mold of what we've 328 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: seen here recently of guys that you know are a 329 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: little bit all or nothing at the plate. And I 330 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: think for that it kind of makes me, It makes 331 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 3: it hard for me to really completely trust his capability 332 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: to hold down an everyday position in the outfield for 333 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: this team. I think I'd have to be I'd have 334 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 3: to be proven wrong on my sort of ambivalence toward 335 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: Hector Rodriguez. 336 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: His name is excuse me, good use of the cough 337 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: button there. His name is Jeff Carr from the Locked 338 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: On Reds podcast alongside Steve Offfenbaker now Locked On Bearcats 339 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: as well. Jeff, thanks for spending some time with me today. 340 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: Where can people follow along to all that you have 341 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: going on Austin, appreciate you man. 342 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 3: You can follow Lockdown Reds and Lockdown Bearcats everywhere you 343 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: get your podcasts. Can also watch us on YouTube, and 344 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: you can follow me on Twitter at Jeff Carr with 345 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 3: three f's. 346 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: I'm also on TikTok at that username. Whoa, you're a 347 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 2: TikToker kicktoker. I just talk though, I don't really tick. Okay, 348 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 2: all right, that's great, Uh, Jeff, thank you so much. Man, 349 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: good one. That's Jeff Carr. Love that guy. Man. 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Jacko? 374 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 5: Hey? 375 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: Uh? 376 00:18:55,400 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 6: So, I guess Tony got caught up in that. iHeart acting. Yeah, 377 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 6: really bad to hear that, because I enjoy when mount 378 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 6: my car listening to the both of you. So I 379 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 6: was listening to callbacks. I love the Thursday's the Geezer Bowl, 380 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 6: and I said something to it. I just ran into 381 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 6: a guy in at supermarket down here in Bradenton and 382 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 6: has had a Steeler shirt on, and I said, are 383 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 6: you watching this Geezer Bowl? And he said, yeah. Do 384 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 6: you know that the fact he said Flacco has never 385 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 6: lost on Thursday, Rogers has never won on Thursday. I 386 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 6: have no idea if that's true. But if that's true, 387 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 6: that's hilarious. 388 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: That's definitely not true. But you know, it's a Steelers fan, 389 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 2: so I wouldn't expect him to be really in touch 390 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: with reality. 391 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 6: You know, yeah, he's not listening to this. I can't 392 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 6: see you. 393 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: Just I looked it up here real quick. Aaron Rodgers 394 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 2: is thirteen and six on Thursdays and Joe Flacco is 395 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: eight and five on Thursdays. 396 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 6: That's it's not anywhere close to what you said. You're right, 397 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 6: he's from Pittsburgh, he's coinless. 398 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: Florida heat's getting to him. JACKO. 399 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 6: Hey, I think that what they need to do is 400 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 6: they need to abandon what they try to do Leburrow 401 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 6: and they need to go heavy with an extra lineman 402 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 6: and run it down everybody's throat. 403 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 2: They got two running, I think, yeah, I would love that. Unfortunately, 404 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: the other five offensive linemens suck and they're soft, and 405 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: they're slow and they're not very good, and JACKO, thank 406 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 2: you for the phone call. I mean, they're I don't 407 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: know any other way to say it. They're not that good. 408 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: They can't run the football. You can blame the scheme 409 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 2: all you want, and I have no problem with that, 410 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: but also eventually it comes down to can you block 411 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: the guy in front of you? And the tape does 412 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: not lie. The Bengals offense is slow off the excuse me. 413 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: Their offensive line is slow off the line of scrimmage. 414 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: They play with a high pad level, and they are 415 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: not physical whatsoever. Part of my issues with Zach Taylor 416 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 2: is that there is a lack of physicality, there's lack 417 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 2: of killer instinct. There's this lack of aggression in the 418 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: football team. And I don't think that's Zach's personality, and 419 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with that, but I think it's an 420 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 2: issue if you're a football coach. Now they're a guy 421 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: like Andy Reid, for example, Nobody would describe Andy Reid 422 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: as this aggressive, physical, loud mouth, tough guy, but his 423 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: football teams are so buttoned up and they execute at 424 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 2: a high level, and they play with the level of physicality. 425 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: One of the things Andy Reid is known for is 426 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: a very tough, very physical preseason in training camp, he 427 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: gets his guys ready to play. Now, his personality maybe 428 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 2: doesn't reflect that, but his teams do. So it is 429 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: possible to establish that mentality, to establish that culture, to 430 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: establish that way of playing in that play style without 431 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: maybe being that type of personality. Now, the other opposite 432 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 2: end of the spectrum is Dan Campbell. He could not 433 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 2: be more aggressive and almost abrasive in his desire for 434 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 2: physicality and aggression from his team, and they reflect that. 435 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 2: Bill Cower is another example the way that those Steelers 436 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 2: teams used to play. I think even Bill Parcells would 437 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 2: be an example of that. Now, Bill Belichick, he had 438 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 2: the most curmudgeon personality of all time, and yet those 439 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 2: teams were so smart, so buttoned up, and they were 440 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 2: physical to the point of attack. They weren't always great, 441 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: you know, there were some you know, Patriots teams and 442 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 2: offensive lines that made you question, but they at least 443 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 2: had the fundamentals down. And now that we're here through 444 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: three or four offensive line coaches and Zach Taylor still 445 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 2: can't find a way to establish that mentality. I have 446 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: an issue with that, And I think if you want 447 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: to be successful in the National Football League and specifically 448 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 2: in this division, in the AFC North. You've got to 449 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: be able to take it to guys. You know, Cleveland, 450 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 2: we always joke about them being a bad matchup. Well, 451 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 2: part of the reason they're a bad matchup is because 452 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 2: the Bengals are soft. Cleveland they lost by I don't know, 453 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: thirty five points to Baltimore earlier this year. I don't 454 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: think that that's really indicative of who the Browns were. 455 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: They still physically are a difficult team to deal with. 456 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: Even in this division. None of these teams have really 457 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 2: good offensive lines right now. Cleveland's isn't great, Pittsburgh's is struggling, 458 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: the Bengals is terrible, Baltimore nothing. And what's the common 459 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: denominator in this entire league or in this entire division. 460 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: None of them are very good. Like you have got 461 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: to that has to be a part of your identity. 462 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: And I think the Bengals are struggling to find theirs 463 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: right now, and I have no other person to blame 464 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 2: there except for Zach Taylor. You know, this conversation started 465 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: by talking about the records of these two quarterbacks on 466 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 2: Thursday nights. How about these numbers for Aaron Rodgers, this 467 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 2: is crazy. Nineteen career games played on a Thursday, Rogers 468 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: is thirteen and six. He's completing sixty seven and a 469 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 2: half percent of his passes, so this is basically a 470 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: full season, just one game more than a full season. 471 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: For four eight hundred and seventy seven yards, forty two touchdowns, 472 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: and five interceptions in those nineteen games. That is crazy 473 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: good numbers for Aaron Rodgers. For Joe Flacco, it's thirteen 474 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: games with an eight to five record, completing sixty three 475 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: point four percent of his passes for three thousand and 476 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: eleven yards, twenty touchdowns, ten interceptions for Joe Flacco in 477 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: thirteen Thursday games. Let's go back to the phones. Let's 478 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: talk to our guy Mike in LA. 479 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 5: What's up, Mikey, Hey, pal, I shouldn't double bit, but 480 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 5: I did. I call her Royer? 481 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 2: No, Wow, he didn't. You didn't? You're good? What's up? 482 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 5: You know when you were talking about this, I think 483 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 5: you hit the nail on the head with this lack 484 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 5: of fierceness, lack of punching the ball, lack of hurting somebody, 485 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Yeah, And like you were 486 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 5: saying about Reed. No, his personality doesn't convey that. But 487 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 5: he's probably got the best, one of the best decoordinators 488 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 5: that's ever been in the league. Right, it's bags. 489 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. 490 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 5: And uh, and I don't know who is Do you 491 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 5: know who their OC is. 492 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: Or I believe it's I believe it's Matt Maggie, now, 493 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: the former coach of the Bears. 494 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 5: Oh, that's right, that's right. It was slipping my brain. 495 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 5: And uh, I can't wait for the Mariners game tonight. 496 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 5: It's uh, it's fun. I'm really for Seattle. I mean, 497 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 5: I got nothing against Toronto. They haven't won anything in 498 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 5: a balloon moon either, so either want to be good. 499 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 5: But for some reason, part of it might be Luis 500 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 5: Castell being on the team. 501 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: Next year Andrez too. 502 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know who is watching it? Does Griff Jr? 503 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 5: You know he's probably out there right? 504 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I'm sure he is. And I'm sure if 505 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: they make it to the World Series, you can be 506 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: the first one throwing out a first pitch. 507 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I bet you may be dead on it. There. 508 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 5: You that's a very good point. I didn't think of that. 509 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 5: I'm feeling a little cueasy, brother, I better go, but 510 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 5: thanks for taking my call. 511 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: Everybody good to talk to you. Thank you. That is 512 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 2: our guy, Mike in La. Let's go from Mike in 513 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: La to Mike in Independence. What's up, Mike? What's on 514 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 2: your mind? 515 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 5: It was going on. 516 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 2: I just want to touch base. 517 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 7: I do think we're gonna bring in Bill Callahan next week. Uh, 518 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 7: it makes too much sense. I mean, they know each other. 519 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 6: I think it's gonna be a good down. Eyes looking at. 520 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 7: The offensive line and kind of saying, hey, this is 521 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 7: what I think we can do to help approve improve 522 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 7: their aggression. I don't know if it's a strike technique 523 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 7: or what what's causing them to be kind of passive 524 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 7: and receiving the defensive line rather than being aggressive towards them. 525 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 7: So hopefully that takes place and can help approve the 526 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 7: offensive line. And if anybody's tailgating tomorrow, it will be 527 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 7: a lot one. We're having a seafood boil. 528 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: Come on out and join the seafood boil. 529 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, we got the big pot, right, We've got 530 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 7: the crab of legs, a shrimp, corn, the whole deal. 531 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 2: Do you do this every time? Tailgate? 532 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 7: Not every time, but We've done the Tampa before, just 533 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 7: different tailgates, So Pitts was a big deal. 534 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 6: We had to plan the last month or so. 535 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: And but the Keith throws. 536 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 5: Down and we we're gonna We're gonna get there about 537 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 5: four o'clock. 538 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 7: We opens up and get things set up and. 539 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: Going, Oh my denness, how long does does that normally take? 540 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: Like if you get there at four and you start 541 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 2: a seafood boil, when are you eating prior to going 542 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 2: into the stadium? 543 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 7: We were getting around five, fifteen thirty or so. 544 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 2: All right, Wow, I mean I figured, I don't know, 545 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: I just didn't assume it. October Bengals Steelers equals a 546 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: seafood boil. But I like it. That's a good idea. Mike, Well, I. 547 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 7: Have to Yeah, yeah, I know you're probably good, But 548 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 7: can you stop about you? 549 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: I'll do my best, Mike, Thank you. I appreciate it. 550 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: How about that little seafood boil for a tailgate? All right? 551 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: All right, I see you working, Mike and independence we'll 552 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: take a break. We'll come back. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, 553 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: So you see. 554 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: Ky ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 555 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: Home stretch of since e three sixty on a Wednesday afternoon. 556 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: I'm Austin Elmore with you. Started the show by talking 557 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: about the Bengals in this decision to go to a 558 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: youth movement on defense, and there are going to be 559 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: growing pains. It's also kind of awkward to go away 560 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 2: from Logan Wilson. 561 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 6: Now. 562 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: I don't know that Logan Wilson was playing at a 563 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: Brian Irlacker level, But I don't know that Logan Wilson 564 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: was playing at a Nick Vigil level either, But he 565 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: got benched for Barrett Carter on Sunday in Green Bay. 566 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: I don't know what to expect tomorrow night against Pittsburgh 567 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 2: because Logan Wilson has some experience against a guy like 568 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers has experience in those moments, and you feel 569 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: like against the Pittsburgh Steelers you could draw from that, 570 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: or you know, is Logan gonna play at all on 571 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: defense or is it gonna be another game where you're 572 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: just going at the Steelers with Barrett Carter and allowing 573 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers to kind of pick on a rookie quarter 574 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: on a rookie linebacker, two rookie linebackers. I don't know, 575 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: but I think It's notable the way that Logan Wilson 576 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 2: and Barrett Carter have both handled this benching. Wilson met 577 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 2: with reporters in the locker room yesterday. Here's a few 578 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: seconds of what Logan Wilson had to say about being benched. 579 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 4: I told him that, like on Wednesday of last week, 580 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 4: I found out. We found out about this on Monday, 581 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 4: and you know, I put my put my arm around him. 582 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 4: I told him, I said, there's gonna be no hard 583 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 4: feelings between us. Just know that, like, I'm not going 584 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 4: to change who I am. I still want to help 585 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 4: you out. I know I've played a lot of football 586 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 4: and there's things I can still pour into you. And 587 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 4: I told myself I was not going to change who 588 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 4: I am because of a time of adversity in my life. 589 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 4: And you know, in whenever my career is done, like 590 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 4: look back at this time of adversity and be able 591 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 4: to tell my kids how to how to get through, 592 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 4: how to work through adversity like this, And so that's 593 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 4: what I'll be most proud of. By the end of 594 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 4: the day, I'm still going to work to continue to 595 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 4: get better and just continue to support him as best 596 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 4: as I can because that's what a good teammate would do. 597 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 8: Probably felt like he did some two good things against 598 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 8: the lines, like I don't you feel you're okay? 599 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: I felt like I was, but obviously Zach felt otherwise. 600 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: So that's Logan Wilson beating with reporters yesterday finishes with 601 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 2: obviously Zach felt otherwise. So again, this is reflection of 602 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: Zach Taylor, maybe more than Al Golden. I know a 603 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: lot of people want to put it on Al Golden 604 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: and maybe the new linebackers coach Mike Hodges and all that. Okay, 605 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: all right, but again it's a Zach Taylor call. And 606 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 2: Zach has said multiple times we are evaluating everybody. So 607 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 2: I thought it was cool the way Logan Wilson handled that. 608 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: Not an easy situation to be in, not an enviable 609 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: situation for anybody to be in, but handled it with class, 610 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: as did Barrett Carter, the guy who is replacing Logan Wilson. 611 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say when he met with 612 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: the media. 613 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 9: He's been great, you know, Logan, he's been That's just 614 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 9: a guy I have so much love and respect for. 615 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 9: And you know, whatever coach decides to do, you know, 616 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 9: we both can live with a result knowing that we 617 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 9: just we go to work every single day and we 618 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 9: love each other, and he's. 619 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:04,959 Speaker 2: Been nothing but helpful. 620 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 9: Like for me, just I still lean on him every 621 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 9: single day, and I still will continue to lean on 622 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 9: him every single day no matter what the coach decides 623 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 9: to do. It's not it's not up to me, it's 624 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 9: not up to him, but we both we both love 625 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 9: each other, we both go to war with each other. 626 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 2: From an operational standpoint. Wearing the green dot, How did 627 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: you feel that win? 628 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 9: I felt great, you know, I mean, I've been it 629 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 9: since I've been here, so it wasn't like a new 630 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 9: thing for me. But now it was great to just 631 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 9: get out there and just communicate with the guys and 632 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 9: just you know, make plays and everything. But it was 633 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 9: a good experience and just got to just keep building 634 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 9: on that and just keep stack in days. 635 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: Bengals rookie linebacker Barrett Carter impressive young man and oppressive 636 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: the way that both of those guys are handling that situation, 637 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: because again, that's not easy. And if we want to 638 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 2: give Zach Taylor a win for something that culture and 639 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 2: being able to communicate like that and with each other, 640 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 2: I think is really important and they deserve credit for that. 641 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 2: But can it translate to being effective on the field, 642 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: because ultimately that's what matters the most. Well finish off 643 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: the phone calls by talking to our guy Rodney. What's 644 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: up Rodney? 645 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 5: Hey, how you guys doing today? 646 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 2: Good Man? What's on your mind? Just a little Bengals talk? 647 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 10: I mean, I love the Bengals and everything, but there's 648 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 10: no accountability to them guys as football players. 649 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 2: You mean you're talking about Logan Wilson got benched. 650 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 10: No, I ain't talking about Logan Wilson. I'm just talking 651 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 10: about them as a group of football guys. Like you said, 652 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 10: you said to write on the note, the Bengals are 653 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 10: not a physical football team at all. 654 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 2: What does accountability have to do with that? 655 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 10: Accountability? The way they play, It's like, Okay, I made 656 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 10: a mistake, I did this, I didn't do this right. 657 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 10: You got to make them guys like they did Logan 658 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 10: Wilson and take them out. But I don't think that's 659 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 10: the problem. Logan Wilson, to me, he was playing solid. 660 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 10: We's hurting up on an officer mound and the defensive line. 661 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 10: There's no physicalness at all on that football team. 662 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you, but I mean I wouldn't 663 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: say that they haven't done anything about it. I mean 664 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 2: Dalton Risener got benched for Jalen Rivers on the offensive line. 665 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 10: Yeah, but well we were really really hurting. 666 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 5: It's our cornerbacks. 667 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 10: They're not They can't tackle nobody. 668 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 2: I agree with you on that. I mean the mistackles 669 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 2: against Green Bay I think was the worst of the 670 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 2: Zach Taylor era. I think nineteen according to one website exactly. 671 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 10: And the two safety. 672 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh boy. Now you're spot on on that, Rodney. 673 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 2: Those guys are not good. 674 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 10: No physical nothing about these guys on third down. 675 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 2: We're the only. 676 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 10: Team I watched and on third down in nineteen we 677 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 10: give up twenty. 678 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 2: It's a little too common. 679 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 10: Yes, yes, And like I said, this football to me 680 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 10: ain't the same, you know, like everybody said. I told 681 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 10: him the division is not as good as everybody thinks. 682 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 2: The ANC's not a struggling issue. Yeah, yep. 683 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 10: There's nobody that I could say in the uh in 684 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 10: our division and go for Yeah, if they made it 685 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 10: to the playoff one and out. 686 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's time. I think it's time for change, though, 687 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 2: So you're saying, get rid of Zach Taylor. Yes, sir, 688 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 2: all right, Rodney, thank you for the phone call. 689 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 6: All right, I appreciate you. 690 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that Rodney's not alone. A lot of 691 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 2: people feel that way when it comes to Zach Taylor. 692 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 6: Uh. 693 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 2: Before we get to Moegger for quick hits and lock 694 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 2: or not locks the night, there's another muscle memory thing. 695 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get this figured out eventually. And listen, you know, 696 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 2: be patient with me. Okay. Anyways, take a listen to 697 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 2: this from last night, oh and two on bond. 698 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 11: Pitch one eleven coming from Yoshinobu yamamodole strike free, swinging 699 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 11: yo ship over oh, Yamamoto goes the distance. In Game two, 700 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 11: the Dodgers win five to one and take a two 701 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 11: nothing series lead in this championship series. Yamamoto's first complete 702 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 11: game of his major league career in the first Dodger 703 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 11: complete game in a postseason game since lima time in 704 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 11: two thousand and four. 705 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 2: That was the call last night on the Dodgers Radio 706 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 2: network in a silent, stunned Milwaukee, Wisconsin, as the Dodgers 707 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 2: beat the Brewers. And listen when it comes to tailgate parties. 708 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 2: Like our guy said yesterday or earlier with the seafood 709 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 2: boil they got going on ahead of Bengals Steelers tomorrow night, 710 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 2: seafood boil is good, but nothing beats the bold, fresh 711 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 2: flavor of wind Schulers Spreadable cheese. Take it with you 712 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: to your tailgate party. Stop by the store now and 713 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 2: go get you some win Schuler's cheese spread ahead of 714 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 2: the tailgate party for tomorrow night, and make sure there's 715 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 2: plenty on hand when the party kicks off. The Call 716 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 2: to Day brought to you by wind Shoolers Fantastic cheese spreads. 717 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 2: Elevate your taste game when we come back, Moegger joins 718 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 2: for quick hits right here on ESPN fifteen thirty. 719 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: From the bron continues on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station. 720 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: It's time for Cincy three sixty quick hits on ESPN fifteens. 721 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 2: Looking for Mo. We found MO, and I love it 722 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 2: when we use the Aaron Rodgers sound bite, especially this 723 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 2: week when the Bengals face Aaron Rodgers. What's up, Mo? 724 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 2: How are we doing? Audie? What's going on? I'm wonderful, 725 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 2: I'm looking. I just looked to my left to grab 726 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 2: my notebook. There is a stack in here of about 727 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 2: seventy five Skyline chili hots. Let's go. Do you are 728 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 2: you hot sauce on your your Coney's or your three Ways? 729 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 2: I'll do that. I do. I do hot sauce. 730 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 8: I drizzle it on the three way, not the coney 731 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 8: Oh and I really don't know why, but on the 732 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 8: three way, yes, because that's what my dad did. 733 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 2: Do you ever put crackers on the three Way? I don't. 734 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 8: But my my daughter has created what she wants to 735 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 8: go on the Skyline menu, which is called the Crosley. Okay, 736 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,720 Speaker 8: she gets a regular hot dog, then she takes crackers 737 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 8: and puts crackers on it with ketchup and then cheese 738 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 8: and then a noodle, a few noodles at the top. 739 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 2: She calls it the Crosley. I don't hate that. 740 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 8: Next time we got to Skyline, go with us, and 741 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 8: she'll tell you to try to Have you tried it? 742 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 8: I've tried the Grossley. Yes, delicious, of course, Yes I would. 743 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 2: I mean I'd be all over that. 744 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 8: I have a conundrum. Oh, okay, I don't have any 745 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 8: white Bengals attire. You're going through this again, But I 746 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 8: have white attire that doesn't say Bengals. What is going 747 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 8: to be more important to the people around me? Because 748 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 8: clearly that's why you're dressing for this, right, You're not 749 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 8: dressing for your You're dressing so the people around you 750 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 8: feel like, Okay, that guy complied. 751 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 2: You're dressing so it looks cool. 752 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 8: Is it more important that I wear Bengals branded gear 753 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 8: that isn't white or a plane white like I have 754 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 8: a plane white. 755 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 2: Like T shirt? Sure? What is? 756 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 8: What? What should I do? Because if you have time 757 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 8: to go buy any white Bengals gear, well, first of all, 758 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 8: I have an autographed John Ross jersey that you can wear. Oh, 759 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 8: that'd be great. It is white, Yes, yeah, if you 760 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:26,240 Speaker 8: want it, I'm good. Oh okay, I'm fine. It's still 761 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 8: on my chair at my desk. Other mountain of T shirts. 762 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 8: Much appreciating, No problem. 763 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 2: But you we we went through this once before we 764 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 2: have you've I know this is one of your favorite topics. 765 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 2: It is it is? What's your excuse for not getting 766 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 2: anything Bengals white over the last I don't know forty years. 767 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 8: I used to so I used to have a white 768 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 8: Bengals shirt that I really liked. It just got I 769 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 8: worked to the super Bowl, but it just got like 770 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 8: wore out over time and there were staying so it's 771 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 8: no longer in rotation. 772 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 2: My favorite, maybe my favorite ever Bengals piece of apparel 773 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 2: was the white super Bowl jackets. Yeah. 774 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 8: I wanted one of those badly. Yeah, so I don't 775 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,240 Speaker 8: have one of those. I haven't seen any white Bengals 776 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 8: gear that I really like, and so I know, like 777 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 8: sometimes if you're like the guy who wears the wrong color, 778 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 8: people get really mad. I don't want people to get 779 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 8: mad at me, so I'm happy to wear some I have, 780 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 8: like some some white UC stuff. 781 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 2: Okay, well, but then you're none of the. 782 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,439 Speaker 8: So what is what is going to get the least 783 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 8: amount of people screaming at me in my section? 784 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 2: I think what matters is that you wear white. Doesn't 785 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 2: matter what's on it, as long as you wear white. 786 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,479 Speaker 2: Do you see hoodie it is? Yeah, there's nothing wrong 787 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 2: with that, right, very good? What's coming up on your 788 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 2: show today? 789 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 8: I like what the Bengals are doing at linebacker. 790 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 2: Oh. 791 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 8: I like what the Bengals are doing in replacing Luke 792 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 8: Keikley at Luke Keiley. 793 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 2: Oh no, sorry, slogan will thought for a second. It 794 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 2: was Lukeley played like Luke Keikley at one point for 795 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 2: about eight games a rookie year. Yeah, pretty good. So 796 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about this. 797 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 8: I think this is good, okay, because this is un Bengalesque. 798 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 8: This is good. This is really really good you were 799 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,720 Speaker 8: talking before. I'm so glad you talk about this because 800 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 8: there is no narrative I hate more than the Browns 801 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 8: are a bad matchup, and you called him soft. So 802 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 8: I watched the Steelers Browns game on Sunday and those 803 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 8: sticky Brown's corners somehow Aaron Rodgers, who never throws the 804 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 8: ball deep, was like, you know what we have dk Metcalf. 805 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 8: I'm gonna throw him the ball. There is no mentality 806 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 8: I hate more than the ones at the man match 807 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,280 Speaker 8: How are you gonna know? And I've been complaining about 808 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 8: this for a month and a half now. They won 809 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 8: that game, by the way, Yeah right, ere's kind of 810 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 8: a man matchup. 811 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,879 Speaker 2: I don't know, So there is that. 812 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 8: I love the fact that everybody has glommed onto this, 813 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 8: including yourself. It makes me I'm not really gonna talk about. 814 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 2: This, but that end of the Browns, you know, because. 815 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 8: Everybody lazily went to that narrative after the first game, 816 00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 8: including a lot of folks who's like opinions I really respect, just. 817 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 2: Shrug your shoulders, and I go, well, why are we 818 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 2: doing that? 819 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,720 Speaker 8: Because I've watched everybody else play the Browns, and everybody 820 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 8: else is like, those quarters are good, but we're still 821 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 8: gonna try to get our best dudes the ball. Will 822 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 8: the Bengals do that? So that, to me is reflective 823 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 8: of a mentality that you have talked about a lot 824 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 8: today that needs to change. 825 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 2: I wonder if the Bengals threw a bit of a 826 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,800 Speaker 2: party when the Browns traded Greg Newsom propa play wide receivers, 827 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 2: did shots? You know, I had cupcakes waiting for him, 828 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 2: had Greg Newsom's left the Cleveland Browns. Bad matchups are. 829 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 8: Over bad matchups, spad matchups. I do feel like we 830 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 8: are and I'm painting with a broad brush here. I 831 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 8: do feel like we're a ted over confident, Like they 832 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 8: played a decent half with Joe Flacco's quarterback and now 833 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 8: it's like, you know, they win this one, probably gonna 834 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 8: run the table. 835 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,919 Speaker 2: The biggest overconfidence to me is the idea that they'll 836 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 2: just walk over the Jets and the Bears. Uh, I 837 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 2: agree with that. 838 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 8: I do think this game is fascinating because Pittsburgh remade 839 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 8: their secondary and there's a good piece in the Athletic 840 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 8: today about how, look they remade their secondary because you 841 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 8: got to play the Bengals twice. Now, obviously it's not 842 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 8: Burrow and Chase and Higgins, but it's still that remade 843 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 8: Pittsburgh secondary secondary where Jalen Ramsey has been awesome, had 844 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 8: two sacks last week, and so I think that matchup 845 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 8: is going to be interesting right now. But what you 846 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 8: wonder is is that going to be a bad matchup? 847 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? All, Jalen's just aggressive. Bad match up on a corner. 848 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 2: Bad matchup. Wasn't a bad matchup in the super Bowl 849 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 2: when they torched him. 850 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 8: When t Higgins like ripped his helmet off downfield pass. 851 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 8: That goes down as one of the five happiest moments 852 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 8: in my life. 853 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,439 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that is the. 854 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 8: First time that in that game that I entertained the possibility. 855 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 2: They may win. Yeah. How many times have you watched 856 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 2: it since that play? The game? Never? Really? 857 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:57,399 Speaker 5: No? 858 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,319 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 859 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 8: The only thing I've watched is because we had to 860 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 8: talk about it was the last play. 861 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,359 Speaker 2: The last two plays. I've watched it probably two hundred. 862 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 8: And I watched the Logan Wilson penalty because you know, 863 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,359 Speaker 8: I wanted to talk about that. Like the individual plays 864 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 8: I wanted to talk about the day after the game, 865 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 8: watch them. I've never watched the game. I've watched the 866 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 8: halftime show. 867 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 2: Wow. 868 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 8: I've watched the pre games starting lineup, the Rock, watched 869 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 8: all that. I don't really have much of an interest 870 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 8: in reliving the game itself fascinating, but I do sometimes 871 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 8: go back and look at my pictures from my experience 872 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 8: broadcasting from Santa Monica next to an ice machine. May 873 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 8: we never forget Chest, May we never forget mo Thank you. 874 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,280 Speaker 8: We'll be listening to that matchup. 875 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 2: Where's that dude's seafood boil? Where's that? I forget where 876 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 2: he said? Can I show up at that too? Yeah, 877 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 2: well I'll go back and listen to it. So it's 878 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 2: pretty good. Yeah, I mean, I didn't know that was 879 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,879 Speaker 2: a thing, but apparently it is in Cincinnati, Thanks mon Cia. 880 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 8: I don't know if it isn't Cincinnat Addie, it's that 881 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 8: guy's just Tonightlgate Tomorrow Night Tomorrow. 882 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 2: Mollagger is next on ESPN fifteen thirty. 883 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: W c KY, Cincinnati, Make us the number one preset 884 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 1: on your car radio and on the free, new and 885 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: improved iHeartRadio app. Free never sounded so good, ESPN, fifteen 886 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: thirty