Speaker 1: Mac. I have returned home from what some may call
Speaker 1: an odyssey up north. I went to Maine with the family.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, faced all sorts of obstacles.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah.
Speaker 1: I brought home for my coworkers some delicious treats.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I put them on the desk at the radio station. Sure,
Speaker 1: you may or may not know this. Us people who
Speaker 1: work in radio, we're all savages. We'll eat anything that's
Speaker 1: put out.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Not one person touched my treats.
Speaker 3: So were they too official? Were they too wrapped up?
Speaker 3: Or were they did you open them for people?
Speaker 1: No, they were wrapped They were in a box. I
Speaker 1: opened the box. I said, hey, guys, I got everyone
Speaker 1: saltwater taffy.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I think you just figured out why
Speaker 2: no one ate it.
Speaker 1: First four hours, not one person even touched a piece
Speaker 1: of candy.
Speaker 3: I haven't tasted a piece of saltwater taffy since maybe
Speaker 3: the nineties, early ots at best.
Speaker 1: I was told that saltwater taffy is old people candy.
Speaker 1: I was told that saltwater taffy hurts people's teeth. Okay,
Speaker 1: and what am I gonna do with this taffy?
Speaker 3: I would say of the top twenty treats you could
Speaker 3: bring someone home from a trip. Saltwater taffy would be
Speaker 3: eight hundred and fifty.
Speaker 1: Do I leave it there for people to stare at
Speaker 1: and mock me? Or do I say you guys don't
Speaker 1: deserve my saltwater taffy and I take you just.
Speaker 3: Start yelling names and tossing saltwater taffy to them, because
Speaker 3: then they gotta catch it. They gotta catch it.
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna eat it.
Speaker 1: No one's gonna.
Speaker 2: Eat I catch anything I eat. I catch.
Speaker 1: That's Is that a rule in life for you?
Speaker 3: If you get something the thrown it and you catch it,
Speaker 3: you gotta eat or drink it.
Speaker 1: One? Good?
Speaker 2: Three?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just three? King of Queen mile Street entertain Goo.
Speaker 1: I'm Mac and we are the Mac and Goo program.
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Speaker 1: piece of assault one.
Speaker 3: Today we are discussing quite possibly the best Marvel movie
Speaker 3: we've seen in a long long time.
Speaker 1: You gotta stop doing that.
Speaker 2: I never say that. I never say that. I never
Speaker 2: said remember.
Speaker 1: The years like the five years after The Hangover. This
Speaker 1: every commercial was the best comedy since The Hangover.
Speaker 2: The best Marvel movie since Endgame.
Speaker 1: This is the best Marvel movie since The Hangover.
Speaker 2: Well, now you're stretching it. Now, you're all it's fib okay. Good.
Speaker 3: Today we are discussing Spider Man brand new day. We've
Speaker 3: had a few days to sit on this GOO, and
Speaker 3: I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it, because when
Speaker 3: we were leaving the theater it felt like I was
Speaker 3: higher on it.
Speaker 2: Than you, and so this will be maybe a decent discussion.
Speaker 1: You said it was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved it, loved it.
Speaker 3: This is the thirty eighth movie entry into the MCU GOO.
Speaker 3: We're now up into the fifties overall, including shows and
Speaker 3: one off sort of things. Now, of course, the extended
Speaker 3: universe is now included in, but stuff specifically created for
Speaker 3: the MCU.
Speaker 2: This is the thirty eighth movie.
Speaker 1: You know what Spider Man said, A fifty. I kicked
Speaker 1: my leg up, Sally O'Malley.
Speaker 3: I don't know what number fifty were at, but we're
Speaker 3: in the fifties.
Speaker 1: I thought this was fifty. No, I take it back,
Speaker 1: if not, Sally O'Malley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are two Marvel movies away, So Doomsday and
Speaker 3: then whatever the next one is of being able to
Speaker 3: rank or create official.
Speaker 1: Dog tiers Doomsday and Vision Right. Vision Quest is a
Speaker 1: shit because they're not doing movies between Avengers, Good Move True.
Speaker 1: What Vision will be.
Speaker 3: In Well, you know what's great is by the end
Speaker 3: of Secret Wars, we'll have forty Marvel movies that we
Speaker 3: can tier into forty hot dogs, you know, forty Sally
Speaker 3: and Mealley, Kick Goo Spider Man Brand New Day has
Speaker 3: a reported budget of two hundred and twenty five million dollars.
Speaker 3: It is projected gou for a whammy of a weekend
Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety to two hundred million dollar domestic
Speaker 3: open and another two seventy three hundred million dollars internationally.
Speaker 3: There's a pretty good chance this eclipse is five hundred
Speaker 3: million in its first week. To give you some contacts there,
Speaker 3: No Way Home made two hundred and sixty million domestically
Speaker 3: and ultimately one point nine billion worldwide. No Way Home
Speaker 3: Goo is number three all time at the domestic box office,
Speaker 3: behind The Force Awakens in Endgame worldwide Goo, it's number eight,
Speaker 3: and everything that's above it has eclipsed two billion.
Speaker 1: So when this movie is the highest grossing movie of
Speaker 1: all time, I get five points in the movie draft.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's gonna get there, but it's
Speaker 3: gonna break into the top seven, that's for sure. It's crazy, right,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be the highest grossing spider Man spider Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did.
Speaker 1: And I think the big difference between Spider Man and
Speaker 1: the of the big two because it's a spider Man, Batman, Superman, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the legacy well known.
Speaker 2: So I think that's the three. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think Spider Man with kids? I think is this
Speaker 1: better with kids?
Speaker 3: I agree there's something about that just mildly more kid
Speaker 3: friendly aspect. It's more relatable even for adults to some
Speaker 3: degree as well. You're not an alien or a billionaire,
Speaker 3: so Spider Man also plays to the older crowd.
Speaker 1: But I will say this as a father. May I
Speaker 1: speak to you as a parent. I'm not showing this
Speaker 1: to my six year old.
Speaker 2: No, this is not maybe when he's eight, eight nine, I.
Speaker 1: Think tennish Okay, I think and granted water down character,
Speaker 1: but Punisher pushes it toward that. PG. Thirteen.
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, a couple swears.
Speaker 1: Guns, swears, knives, lives, guts, butts goose.
Speaker 2: Speaking of that, it is Pg.
Speaker 3: Thirteen and I yeah, maybe I think it's fine for
Speaker 3: a ten year old, but not all ten year olds
Speaker 3: are created equally as well, So that's obviously up to
Speaker 3: you as a to decide.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Okay, were you looking for me to say?
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna speak more as an hour?
Speaker 1: I said my piece. Okay, I said my piece. I
Speaker 1: feel like twelve.
Speaker 3: Parent segment portion of podcast is over. Parent portion podcast
Speaker 3: segment over.
Speaker 1: So when I go and see a movie, now it's
Speaker 1: a scout. I go there to scout the movie because
Speaker 1: my son's always like, can I go with you? And
Speaker 1: usually I say maybe at the end of the week,
Speaker 1: let's see how it is. Yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: cool scenes in here. There is a lot of fun
Speaker 1: factor cool scenes in this Spider Man movie.
Speaker 2: Uh goo.
Speaker 3: This Spider Man movie is an action adventure in sci
Speaker 3: fi are subgenres here Marvel. Marvel has its own subgenre.
Speaker 3: Should yeh, superhero and urban adventure. This is a bit
Speaker 3: of an urban adventure. I suppose little park Or I
Speaker 3: think Parker should be There should be more Parker movies,
Speaker 3: now parkre movies. Now we're stumbling onto something.
Speaker 1: Should we go ahead and go through all the movies
Speaker 1: that's ever been made and make a Parker genre subgenre.
Speaker 2: Goo.
Speaker 3: This movie has a run time of one hundred and
Speaker 3: forty five minutes. That's two hours and twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1: It slightly long, slightly too long.
Speaker 2: Ah, I'm not sure it's it's on the longer side.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's too long. Though.
Speaker 1: Here's my big issue with it is at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie, I had forgotten that I had seen
Speaker 1: something that was my favorite part of the movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I guess I was like, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot the Hulk because that scene was awesome.
Speaker 2: It was great, Yeah, really great.
Speaker 3: Goo on Roddy t'se real doozy here ninety one percent
Speaker 3: from the critics, ninety eight percent from the audience. That's right,
Speaker 3: you heard correctly, ninety eight. That critics score of ninety
Speaker 3: one GOO puts it into a tie for the eighth
Speaker 3: highest MCU movie. It's tied with The Avengers, Guardians of
Speaker 3: the Galaxy the first one, and Spider Man Far from Home.
Speaker 2: The movies that are above it or the other.
Speaker 3: Two Spider Man movies in the MCU, Black Panther, Endgame,
Speaker 3: Iron Man, Ragnarok, and Shang Chi. So people are liking
Speaker 3: this movie. This has really good company. The audience score GOO,
Speaker 3: it's the highest. The only thing that is tied of
Speaker 3: now is shang Chi at ninety eight percent. If it
Speaker 3: drops one percent, it'll be tied with No Way Home
Speaker 3: at ninety seven percent. If it drops three percent, it'll
Speaker 3: be tied with Far From Home at ninety five percent.
Speaker 3: So to our previous point, people just love Spider Man movies.
Speaker 3: Spider Man movies now make up three of the top
Speaker 3: four audience rate.
Speaker 1: Now do you think that they just do an amazing
Speaker 1: job with these movies or it's really hard to fuck
Speaker 1: up a Spider Man movie.
Speaker 2: I think they do a really good job.
Speaker 3: I think Tom Holland is a perfect Spider Man and
Speaker 3: web slaying fun just creates a fun like a baseline,
Speaker 3: really fun.
Speaker 1: So you think with the team that they're working with
Speaker 1: right now, they just have a super high floor.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, so it's been the same writers on all
Speaker 3: four Spider Man MCU movies. So credit where credit is
Speaker 3: due there, we'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 2: On Metacritic, gu a sixty nine. That's only through forty
Speaker 2: four reviews. I don't know how many more there will be.
Speaker 3: That's tied for thirteenth high highest in the MCU. Right
Speaker 3: below it is Infinity War, Black Widow, and Thunderbolts. At
Speaker 3: sixty eight, it's tied with The Avengers and Far From
Speaker 3: Home at sixty nine. Right above it Winter Soldier and
Speaker 3: ant Man in the Wasp. Interestingly enough, two Spider Man
Speaker 3: movies actually above it, Homecoming at seventy three and No
Speaker 3: Way Home at seventy one. So once again Spider Man
Speaker 3: movies in general doing really well. Spider Man movies in
Speaker 3: good company. I think there's a good conversation, two separate
Speaker 3: conversations here where this falls in people's MCU rankings, and
Speaker 3: then where it falls amongst the four MCU Spider Man movies,
Speaker 3: because I think people are gonna feel not wildly different,
Speaker 3: but there'll be two sides to the coin on this one,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: And then I think it's not gonna be I don't believe,
Speaker 1: and anyone's for superhero movies in general like upper echelon
Speaker 1: top tier, but I think that it's gonna crack that
Speaker 1: second for most people. Yeah, but once again they knew
Speaker 1: where to add the fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the writing, and you know, as much as I
Speaker 3: didn't love Far from Home The writing has been really.
Speaker 2: Good in this movie.
Speaker 3: And we have to give credit to the two writers,
Speaker 3: Chris McKenna and Eric Summers, who have been the writers
Speaker 3: in all four movies. Here them just figuring out what
Speaker 3: works for Spider Man, and then Tom Holland, you know,
Speaker 3: acting as good as he does in these four movies,
Speaker 3: and then them also growing with Tom Holland. It's just
Speaker 3: made for really successful combination those two writers, go McKenna
Speaker 3: and Summers. McKenna started on American Dad. He was also
Speaker 3: a writer on Community and then from there so these
Speaker 3: two basically work together on American Dad and Community. Then
Speaker 3: teamed up to do the Lego Batman, Spider Man, Homecoming, Jumanji,
Speaker 3: Welcome to the Juggle, Ant Man in the Wasp, Spider Man,
Speaker 3: Far from Home, Spider Man No Way Home, and one
Speaker 3: of your favorite movies in the last decade, Ghosted.
Speaker 2: They also do.
Speaker 1: I do like ghost It. I don't know what ghost
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: Also shout out crank Anchors because Eric Summers worked on
Speaker 3: crank Anchors twenty five years ago.
Speaker 1: Always add that to our Mac and Goose. You know
Speaker 1: what we're going to talk about constantly now to crank Yankers.
Speaker 2: Who cranked the most yank Who yanked the most crank?
Speaker 1: Gonna call the crank yanchors to night crank Yankers.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Neither has anything upcoming on IMDb, but I suspect because
Speaker 3: of this massive success, they're going to be integral to
Speaker 3: many Marvel plans going forward. Speaking of someone being involved
Speaker 3: going forward, Destin Daniel cretten is the director of this movie.
Speaker 3: Gu Prior to shang Chi, no one really knew who
Speaker 3: this guy was. He directed shang Chi, which was much
Speaker 3: better than we all thought it was going to be.
Speaker 3: He also did wonder Man earlier this year. Gu Upcoming
Speaker 3: on his docket is the shang Chi sequel, the Naaruto movie,
Speaker 3: and he's doing something for TV called Scenes for Minors.
Speaker 3: I think Destin Daniel Cretton is one of the guys
Speaker 3: to continue to look out for here going forward.
Speaker 1: He was also very upset when they canceled his Avengers movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was signed on to.
Speaker 1: Do King Dynasty.
Speaker 2: The King Dynasty yep and based.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously that sort of fell apart with nothing
Speaker 3: having to do with him, but it would have been
Speaker 3: extremely interesting now to see what that would have how
Speaker 3: that would have played.
Speaker 1: Also, News Depp. Season two of wonder Man has been canceled.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 3: I we were not surprised when it got a second
Speaker 3: season because of how successful it was. However, it did
Speaker 3: seem like it was lending itself to more of a
Speaker 3: one off mini series type of.
Speaker 1: Show, which is I think what I prefer.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I like what they gave us in that first season,
Speaker 1: and obviously we could see where the characters go. But
Speaker 1: I'm okay with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this gets canceled. This is a bit
Speaker 3: of a gooster jamas here. I think they're canceling this
Speaker 3: so that destined Daniel cretin dd C DC focus on
Speaker 3: more central MCU stories going forward. And I also think,
Speaker 3: like you said, I think we're gonna see wonder Man
Speaker 3: in a couple of things.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that, well, sort of, That's not what
Speaker 1: I said at all.
Speaker 3: You spider Man, Brand New Day. Spider Man, Brand New Day.
Speaker 3: A forgotten Peter Parker lives alone as a full time
Speaker 3: Spider Man until mounting pressure triggers a dangerous change and
Speaker 3: a powerful new enemy emerges. To your point, there, it
Speaker 3: felt like Holland was doing more of a Queen zaccent
Speaker 3: in this movie. Than he's attempted in the last three,
Speaker 3: but I liked it. It stars Tom Holland as Peter Parker,
Speaker 3: Spider Man, Zendaa's back as MJ. Mark Ruffalo as Bruce
Speaker 3: Banner aka The Hulk, John Bernhal is Frank Castle the Punisher,
Speaker 3: Jacob Battalon as Ned Leads Eliza Cologone, Zias's detective is
Speaker 3: Jeene de Wolf, Trammel Tillman as William Metzger, and Goucedie Sink.
Speaker 2: Is in this movie.
Speaker 3: We've known she's been in this movie for a long time.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of discourse and dialogue going into
Speaker 3: this movie about who she might or will play, and
Speaker 3: it really was narrowed down to three options one Jean Gray,
Speaker 3: two Typhoord Mary, or three Rachel Summers. And it kind
Speaker 3: of felt like the Typhoord Mary stuff fell off and
Speaker 3: then it was just is she Jene Gray or she
Speaker 3: Rachel Summers. She's definitely playing a mutant. We'll see how
Speaker 3: she plays going forward. I'm interested to hear your Sadie
Speaker 3: Sink thoughts once we get the spoilers.
Speaker 2: But I loved her addition to the MCU.
Speaker 1: I thought she was great, and we've always said this,
Speaker 1: We said this the last two ish seasons of Stranger Things.
Speaker 1: She's better than the other characters. Yeah, she's better than
Speaker 1: the other actors, most.
Speaker 2: Of them anyways. Uh goo.
Speaker 3: Also in this movie, briefly, Marissa Toome is May Parker.
Speaker 3: Naomi Watts is EVI. That's right, the AI that Peter
Speaker 3: Parker utilizes. Michael Mando is Matt Gargan aka Scorpion. Marvin Jones,
Speaker 3: the thirdest tombstone is in this movie for like seven seconds.
Speaker 1: Also, you keep slipping in and out of like a
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Queen's Boston accent. You ready for this?
Speaker 2: Yeah? All right.
Speaker 1: So me and my wife we went out to an
Speaker 1: Italian restaurant and the waiter comes over for dessert and says,
Speaker 1: what'll you be having? And I said a fagato And
Speaker 1: he said, all right, I'll come back a little later.
Speaker 2: Your week in Maine has really strengthen your comedic chops.
Speaker 3: Also, Billy Clements's Ramrod. He was the guy that kind.
Speaker 1: Of looked Kyle Mrod. Thank you.
Speaker 2: He was the guy that kind of looked like Juggernaut
Speaker 2: but wasn't. Uh.
Speaker 3: Then we also have Zabrina Grivara briefly in here as
Speaker 3: Shila Riviera. We saw her of course in the two
Speaker 3: Dared Devil seasons.
Speaker 2: Uh and then Goo. That's really all you need to know.
Speaker 3: There's the reportedly also what's your Face was cut as
Speaker 3: the nurse Dawson.
Speaker 1: That was something that I really wish. I was hoping
Speaker 1: that she'd be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as night Nurse. We did not get her. Goo.
Speaker 2: What a stretch for the MCU. We were two years.
Speaker 1: Removed from a stock market. Right now, we're two years.
Speaker 3: Removed from people claiming the death of the MCU. It's
Speaker 3: gone reboot. It started over kill It twenty twenty four
Speaker 3: gives us dead Pool and Wolverine smashed success. I think
Speaker 3: we all knew it was going to be the most
Speaker 3: important MCU movie. But that movie was a hell of
Speaker 3: a ride, so fun, a lot of money, a lot
Speaker 3: of money, a lot of fun. Then we got Agatha
Speaker 3: all along the mini series and I don't know if
Speaker 3: it was a smash success, but generally people liked it
Speaker 3: miss advanced but.
Speaker 1: Also not to the point of like anybody hating mixed
Speaker 1: leaning positive, yes, okay. And then we get Captain America
Speaker 1: Brave New World, which, out of the last eleven projects,
Speaker 1: ten projects, it's the only one definitively a miss or bad.
Speaker 1: I would say that's to start off twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: last year, and then we get Daredevil Born Again season one.
Speaker 2: People generally loved that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Thunderbolts another one that was much better than we
Speaker 3: all figured it was going to be. That was followed
Speaker 3: up by Ironheart the series, which was uneven. A lot
Speaker 3: of people didn't like it, I think for the wrong reasons,
Speaker 3: but that gave us a great reveal and in general
Speaker 3: I would say mixed leaning positive there as well. Then
Speaker 3: we also get the Fantastic four First Steps last year,
Speaker 3: so a lot in twenty twenty five, which also that's
Speaker 3: I would say, that's in my top ten on the MCU.
Speaker 2: I loved that movie. The twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: Gu has given us wonder Man Daredevil Born Against season two, which.
Speaker 2: Was not the greatest, but again I think was pretty positive.
Speaker 1: No one said after like, oh, the emcu's fallen off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then Goo.
Speaker 3: Now of course we get Spider Man Brand New Day,
Speaker 3: and then the rest of this year we get like
Speaker 3: you said earlier, Vision Quest and then Doomsday, so we're
Speaker 3: kind of back.
Speaker 1: I do like the argument that of like from twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four on, or you can look at from Endgame on.
Speaker 1: But this movie is up there with the best stuff
Speaker 1: that they've given us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and in that stretch I just gave you, you know,
Speaker 3: even if you didn't love Agatha, Ironheart and Daredevil, the
Speaker 3: movies have been a success the shows.
Speaker 2: Sure, maybe you're not watching the shows.
Speaker 3: But I also think on the flip side of that,
Speaker 3: you could argue they're nine for their last ten.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good average, I would say. And this little
Speaker 1: stretch here, I think Thunderbolts is still my favorite.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, over this, I think it's expectations. WHOA, I think
Speaker 1: it's expectation.
Speaker 2: Hot take there.
Speaker 1: I think it's expected. Wow, Okay, you go into it a
Speaker 1: Spider Man movie. You're you're bringing your web slingers and
Speaker 1: you're ready to shoot all over again.
Speaker 2: A lot of that we got, maybe the most we've seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my web slingers popped off just like Spider Man.
Speaker 2: Cool well I describe I.
Speaker 3: I don't have many distractions about this movie, so this
Speaker 3: is gonna be heavily on you.
Speaker 1: I suppose the detractions that I would have in this movie,
Speaker 1: and this might have something to do with The last
Speaker 1: movie that I saw going into Spider Man was The Odyssey. Okay,
Speaker 1: this big, beautiful, practically shot where you can feel every
Speaker 1: piece of that scenery you step into. This one, this
Speaker 1: did feel a little flat at points, It felt a
Speaker 1: little dull at points, and I did feel like the
Speaker 1: time dragged a little bit. Also too much slow motion.
Speaker 3: For me, I thought that this was probably the best
Speaker 3: looking MCU movie we've seen.
Speaker 1: In a while.
Speaker 2: It's the best looking Spider Man movie for sure.
Speaker 3: I'm trying like Infinity War an Endgame are probably the
Speaker 3: two best looking we've seen in the last six years,
Speaker 3: seven years, But this movie I thought looked great, and
Speaker 3: it had that dash of grittiness in there as well.
Speaker 3: I don't agree at all. I didn't feel flatnous because
Speaker 3: you didn't want whatsoever. Yeah, you're right, I missed out
Speaker 3: on that one. And I also, like, at least my
Speaker 3: brain I never even once was like comparing the two
Speaker 3: because there's it's such in a different length.
Speaker 1: I don't know. There was something just about the look
Speaker 1: of this movie, and once again coming off of Christopher
Speaker 1: Nolan that didn't help it for me.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I disagree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said this looks better than the Odyssey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what Mac and the guy's like, Hey, what do
Speaker 1: you guys think of the movie? And Ma's like, visually, this.
Speaker 2: One had a Cyclops in it, and it's not the
Speaker 2: one you think.
Speaker 1: I was expecting Cyclops at the end, he didn't show up.
Speaker 1: I'm pissed. Shall we get into the Nanagon?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Good fun factor, lots of it. I think of this
Speaker 1: movie with the fun factor more than say, the flow
Speaker 1: of the story. I think the fun factor is better
Speaker 1: than the flow.
Speaker 3: I think there's three or four action set pieces in
Speaker 3: this movie that people are gonna talk about for a
Speaker 3: while and was super fun, really fun. And we're also
Speaker 3: exploring in multiple characters sort of an expansion of powers and.
Speaker 2: Doing new stuff, and that was really cool as well.
Speaker 3: And I did see a couple of days ago that
Speaker 3: the creative team behind this one purposefully put in there
Speaker 3: some finishing moves from the Insomniac Games, and.
Speaker 2: I thought I saw that.
Speaker 3: I saw a couple like finishing moves, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I know that from someone.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, after ten Spider Man movies, how
Speaker 1: many Spider Man movies are.
Speaker 2: We in this is three five, this is the ninth one.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, and that we've seen him in Avengers
Speaker 1: movies everything else, we've seen a lot of the same
Speaker 1: when it comes to the moves and the power sets
Speaker 1: from Spider Man. Yep, this one gave you like ten
Speaker 1: new things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also in regards to the web slinging as well,
Speaker 3: was some new stuff that it really just felt fresh.
Speaker 3: Maybe isn't the word because it's the nice Spider Man movie,
Speaker 3: but it was somewhat of a breath of fresh air
Speaker 3: into Spider Man action and web slinging and you know what,
Speaker 3: the Peter Parker character. So we didn't really get a
Speaker 3: chance to get to this spot with the Garfield Peter Parker.
Speaker 3: We got there in Spider Man three the Rainy Movies,
Speaker 3: and it obviously was a miserable movie. We're now at
Speaker 3: a point as Peter Parker slash Spider Man that we've
Speaker 3: never really been at with the other two, and it's
Speaker 3: really fun. It's fun to play in this world in
Speaker 3: this Spider Man sandbox where he is the underdog again.
Speaker 3: You know, he wasn't when he was stark Spider Man
Speaker 3: and now he is.
Speaker 1: So yes and no, I was disappointed that he did.
Speaker 1: Now he doesn't have the same amount of tech, he
Speaker 1: still has a good amount of.
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean he is he's maybe he's not Sury
Speaker 3: level or Tony Stark level, but he's pretty close in
Speaker 3: terms of that ability. And also, you know that spell
Speaker 3: did what it did. I don't know if it took
Speaker 3: away stuff that he had access to from Tony Stark,
Speaker 3: you know, so what's some of that there?
Speaker 1: Do you think? In the spell? And we just weren't
Speaker 1: paying attention. He was like, I wish that everyone would
Speaker 1: forget who I am and I get six computer.
Speaker 2: Screens a little little bonus.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm gonna give up my identity, but i
Speaker 1: want six computers essential.
Speaker 3: Now I agree that that, And there's also no real
Speaker 3: way to do that. Well, I think, you know, it's
Speaker 3: hard to explain that away. And maybe that is one
Speaker 3: of the worst parts about the movie.
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't have he no longer has a
Speaker 1: man in the chair, he no longer has people that
Speaker 1: can help him. So yeah, he might need the AI,
Speaker 1: but the AI still is very Tony Stark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's for sure true.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the Spell, Goo, which I think plays into satisfactor.
Speaker 3: Here we end the last movie with MJ and everyone
Speaker 3: on the planet not knowing, not remembering that Spider Man
Speaker 3: is Peter Parker, and we were happy to.
Speaker 2: Reset back then.
Speaker 3: I was a little worried that was gonna be kind
Speaker 3: of wonky here, But man, I felt like they handled
Speaker 3: that well, Like that was so seamless.
Speaker 1: But also I wouldn't have minded if they dragged that
Speaker 1: out a little bit longer. Not so this movie's long,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, like over two movies, maybe, Well, I.
Speaker 3: Think we're still I think we're still on a spot
Speaker 3: where no one's really they had boners at the end.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to wait what this movie again?
Speaker 2: I think one of the lesser parts is it's not
Speaker 2: the most satisfying conclusion.
Speaker 3: It doesn't necessarily end on a high, but it does
Speaker 3: end on a spot that gets you excited for things
Speaker 3: going forward.
Speaker 1: Right, and then I have questions, but those are spoilers, Okay, Borometer,
Speaker 1: I wasn't bored, but I did feel like some of
Speaker 1: the pacing was a little clunky.
Speaker 2: Hum it was.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the best, but it also because of what
Speaker 3: this movie becomes it just had to do certain things right.
Speaker 3: There's there's Sadie Sink's character that they have to go
Speaker 3: out of their way to sort of explain where she was,
Speaker 3: explain how she got there, and it's very necessary, but
Speaker 3: you're right, it does take you out of the movie
Speaker 3: for for a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1: Halloween, Well, this movie wane over time. I think this
Speaker 1: movie has a better chance, and I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: it's not going to but I think it is a
Speaker 1: better chance of not more than No Way Home.
Speaker 3: So we had this conversation briefly the other day. I
Speaker 3: think we accurately clocked no Way Home.
Speaker 1: I really really enjoined dog number.
Speaker 2: I don't agree with maybe you did, un I think
Speaker 2: we gave it like thirty six. I gave it thirty five.
Speaker 1: No, you gave it forty fi.
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about that.
Speaker 3: Still, I think we accurately clock that in our discussion
Speaker 3: about it, how it was gonna be a great one
Speaker 3: time viewing and it's not gonna be that fun after that.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of wow, not a lot of stuff
Speaker 3: that's gonna hold up. This movie's polar opposite of that.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: So you think over time, it's gonna go to fifty
Speaker 1: hot times.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Ah, quater World. Does this movie better or worse in
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety five movie Water Worlds, I'd say yes.
Speaker 2: I'd say considerably better.
Speaker 1: Mac Sometimes movies have there's no small roles, but someone
Speaker 1: who might have a small amount of time, and when
Speaker 1: they step on the screen, you say, God, damn it,
Speaker 1: that's Jesse Plemons.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did anyone in this movie make you say wow? They
Speaker 1: are given a John Leguizamo like performance in their small
Speaker 1: amount of time.
Speaker 3: Jacob Batlon, I'm sure I'm butchering his last name. Was
Speaker 3: such a delight. Yeah, but he's in too much of
Speaker 3: a movie.
Speaker 2: No, he's not. He's in like four scenes.
Speaker 3: Dude, he's in so much of the No Jacob, that
Speaker 3: battle on Batalon, I don't know how you say it
Speaker 3: is Nadalona a delight. He was a delight, Every everything delight.
Speaker 3: Every scene that was in was fun, plemonade.
Speaker 1: He's like the third billing in these movies.
Speaker 3: First of all, not in this movie. He was like
Speaker 3: fifth bild. Second of all. One of the major complaints
Speaker 3: I've seen on the X on the Twitter sphere is
Speaker 3: that he wasn't in it enough.
Speaker 1: Oh, I have an idea. Who do you think should
Speaker 1: have gotten less screen time.
Speaker 3: In this one? I don't know if there's a winner
Speaker 3: on that one. I don't know if there's a winner.
Speaker 3: I feel like it was balanced really well.
Speaker 1: Not saying that they should do it, but I could
Speaker 1: see the argument for less Punisher.
Speaker 3: But again, he's he's he's really only in like four scenes.
Speaker 2: They're extended, they're extended.
Speaker 1: What if they took some of those Punisher scenes, took
Speaker 1: his gun and gave it to Ned, and then Ned
Speaker 1: got those five minutes.
Speaker 3: I also think that they needed someone to fill that
Speaker 3: character role.
Speaker 2: Punisher's perfect for it.
Speaker 3: I suppose it could have been Daredevil as well, but
Speaker 3: they needed someone in that role, and I feel like
Speaker 3: John bernhow as Punisher works well there.
Speaker 1: Do you think that also just shows off how good
Speaker 1: of a guy Peter is. That the Punisher has been
Speaker 1: around some other superheroes and while he might have respect
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I also can you as an audience member,
Speaker 3: as a viewer, you can also tell that Punisher Frank
Speaker 3: Castle can recognize that Spider Man's like younger, He's not.
Speaker 2: Like this old adult dickhead. He's still like guys have
Speaker 2: a kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got this optimistic view on life that the
Speaker 3: older folks do not have.
Speaker 1: Max Credit Union. You want to give it to the writers.
Speaker 3: I mean, the writers obviously have crushed it here. Sadie
Speaker 3: Sink was so good. The biggest thing I felt like,
Speaker 3: and it's obvious they're married in real life. Tom Hollins
Speaker 3: and Day are married. Their Hones Street chemistry is fucking amazing.
Speaker 3: It's so good, so good. They crushed the emotional notes
Speaker 3: of this movie.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is that between them and that alone,
Speaker 1: like they the three of them have amazing chemistry and.
Speaker 3: Really satisfying to watch them bounce off each other. Like
Speaker 3: their couple scenes were great.
Speaker 1: Pants Tent City, Excite, bike Mania, what got you going
Speaker 1: in this movie? And the stuff at Damage Control. When
Speaker 1: we finally got our hulk that is not a spoiler
Speaker 1: because we saw it in the trailer. That was such
Speaker 1: an awesome scene.
Speaker 2: It was great. It was so good when.
Speaker 1: He said I didn't know you can get that big,
Speaker 1: which is something my wife always says to me. I'm
Speaker 1: always surprised at her the first time be as small
Speaker 1: and dinky as possible you.
Speaker 3: Popped a blue shoe and then all of a sudden
Speaker 3: you're like, WHOA, I didn't know I had all those inches.
Speaker 3: I would say, I agree with you on that scene.
Speaker 3: There's the Spider Man versus the Hand scene that they
Speaker 3: tease the trailers that was fucking great. And then there's
Speaker 3: obviously a reveal in this movie as to who Sadie
Speaker 3: sink character is, and then there's also a moment with
Speaker 3: her character and her abilities that I thought was fucking
Speaker 3: awesome as well. There's a number of really great scenes
Speaker 3: in this movie that are like appropriately spaced out along
Speaker 3: the way too. So we spoke about a little bit
Speaker 3: of its luckiness from you know A to B, two
Speaker 3: C to D. But when we got to those tech polls,
Speaker 3: they were fucking great.
Speaker 1: For those of you Tartey to the Mac and Goop party.
Speaker 1: We rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system
Speaker 1: and Mac I had a ton of fun with many
Speaker 1: of the scenes in this movie. I liked seeing not
Speaker 1: only the evolution of the Spider Man character, where we
Speaker 1: now have a bunch of powers that we have not
Speaker 1: seen outside of the video games, tons of stuff that
Speaker 1: we are seeing on the big screen. For the first time,
Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed all of that. I thought those
Speaker 1: were all really really fun. Not only that, but the
Speaker 1: evolution of Peter as he's you know, going further learning
Speaker 1: that he can't do this by himself. And while that
Speaker 1: was the safest thing for him at the TI to
Speaker 1: have his friend's memories erased, he didn't even ask for
Speaker 1: their permission. They didn't agree to this, sure, sure, although
Speaker 1: did did they kind of agree to it.
Speaker 3: I also thought that was a pretty poignant conversation that
Speaker 3: has had between him and MJ.
Speaker 1: They did agree to him. He's like, I'm gonna do something,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go find you. Yeah, he just never did.
Speaker 1: He never tells, so he went back. Yes, I thought that,
Speaker 1: And once again, this is a me issue. After seeing
Speaker 1: The Odyssey, I felt like some of this looked a
Speaker 1: little bit flat, so stupid. I'm over and this is
Speaker 1: We've seen it so many movies. I am over seeing
Speaker 1: him swinging through the city. Oh bullshit, I think we
Speaker 1: can cut That's still like.
Speaker 2: My favorite part of the insurment. Nothing. Just let me
Speaker 2: go for a swing, let me catapul over a building.
Speaker 1: Five moving forward, we can cut twenty minutes out every
Speaker 1: Spider Man movie.
Speaker 2: No no fast travel, no fast travel.
Speaker 1: I just have him say I'm going to the Empire
Speaker 1: State Building, swing his hand, and then he's already there.
Speaker 1: Fuck that.
Speaker 2: I hate you bullshit.
Speaker 1: It's a lot. It for thirty years, and it was
Speaker 1: all new.
Speaker 2: It was new perspectives, new stuff.
Speaker 1: In this one, they only showed one time from inside
Speaker 1: the eye.
Speaker 2: I also liked what, oh, you want more Oakley's in
Speaker 2: this movie.
Speaker 1: I want more Oakley's I want more.
Speaker 3: I liked how he had to coach himself when he
Speaker 3: had the organic coaching stuff.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I liked the learning process, the other stuff where it's
Speaker 1: just him swing. We've seen that a million times. We've
Speaker 1: seen him do parkour.
Speaker 2: Fuck you, dickhead.
Speaker 1: This movie is great, though. I had a great time.
Speaker 1: Clunky at points. I thought the end did drag a
Speaker 1: little bit, but I really did enjoy the Hulk stuff.
Speaker 1: I liked this stuff with the punish share. I thought
Speaker 1: we maybe could have worked on that a little bit too.
Speaker 1: I had thirty five hot dogs.
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, all right, I mean that's in my mind,
Speaker 3: that's like a middling MCU movie at this A B
Speaker 3: plus it be plus the heights of the MCU or
Speaker 3: what like my thirty five Ranger down in the in
Speaker 3: the high teaskew it's all, it's so, what.
Speaker 2: Where do you have this in the MCU?
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. Oh all right, well, I'd say
Speaker 1: it's probably it's right. Oh look, it's right in the teens.
Speaker 1: And if we're looking at this compared to other Spider
Speaker 1: Man movies.
Speaker 2: Where do you have this ranked among the four Hall
Speaker 2: and MCU movies?
Speaker 1: I didn't. Homecoming still has the freshest feel to it
Speaker 1: and maybe the most the most boyish charm when it
Speaker 1: comes to Peter Parker, he's he's nine in that mone.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's got the Keaton reveal moment, and it's
Speaker 3: definitely a lot of fun in that.
Speaker 1: I think that might be what the big thing is too,
Speaker 1: is that that has the best villain.
Speaker 2: So that I think. So I'll get to mind as
Speaker 2: you look up where this might rank in the MCU.
Speaker 1: Also, I wish that Alan Trammel was a little bit
Speaker 1: bigger in this.
Speaker 3: Trammel Tillman, not Detroit Tigers great shortstop Alan Trammel.
Speaker 2: Uh Go.
Speaker 3: I think that the biggest problem with this issue is
Speaker 3: that there is no true villain Spider Man has this
Speaker 3: rose gallery of dozens of great, great villains, and we
Speaker 3: are sort of once again blueballed with that. I think
Speaker 3: that's what hurts this movie most, and I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot of people having an issue with that, and
Speaker 3: I'm fine if that's your issue. However, in lieu of that,
Speaker 3: what they do give us and the character that sort
Speaker 3: of fills the gap there I thought was fucking tremendous.
Speaker 3: It's a great sort of origin for that character in
Speaker 3: the MCU. It makes you buy into her emotionally and
Speaker 3: subsequently going forward. I understand the critique, but I also
Speaker 3: think they did it as good as you could do
Speaker 3: if you weren't going to have one of his main villains.
Speaker 3: I also feel like this movie accomplishes a ton. It's
Speaker 3: a lot of progression for our main characters, our side characters,
Speaker 3: our MCU story, you know, the reuniting of Peter and
Speaker 3: MJ has done so so well. I literally don't think
Speaker 3: there's anything bad in this movie. To your point, I
Speaker 3: do think it's clunky for twenty to thirty minutes getting
Speaker 3: bridging that gap from how fun the opening sequences into okay,
Speaker 3: here we are a Spider Man, but Holland as Peter
Speaker 3: like going through it was so fucking good. He emotionally
Speaker 3: in this movie is doing a ton He's doing such
Speaker 3: a good job. I have this movie at thirty eight.
Speaker 3: Hot Dogs Goots the first MCEO movie in a long
Speaker 3: time that may have broken into my top six. So
Speaker 3: for context at home for you guys, my top six
Speaker 3: is Infinity War one, Guardians two, End Game three. Those
Speaker 3: are all forty dog movies. I have Ragnarock at four,
Speaker 3: at thirty nine, hot Dogs, Black Panther at five, at
Speaker 3: thirty nine, hot Dogs maybe thirty eight, and then I
Speaker 3: have Spider Man Homecoming at six. This movie is very
Speaker 3: different than Homecoming. I'm still trying to figure out if
Speaker 3: I liked it better.
Speaker 2: I may have.
Speaker 3: I may have because of everything that this movie accomplishes.
Speaker 3: But I'm not even saying I'm not gonna put home
Speaker 3: Coming down because it's so different. That movie just feels
Speaker 3: different than this. And again that was the first movie
Speaker 3: and now a ten year period talking about against a
Speaker 3: fourth movie, and then right in that range also I
Speaker 3: have Winter Soldier, Fantastic four, Deadpool, and Wolverine, so it's
Speaker 3: clearly better than those last two I just mentioned the
Speaker 3: recent two and it's in that Homecoming Black Panther Winter
Speaker 3: Soldier range. For me, I loved this movie. I think
Speaker 3: it was hamstrung by the lack of a awesome villain,
Speaker 3: and so it maybe doesn't break in to that top six,
Speaker 3: that top four, that elite tier that you were talking
Speaker 3: about with comic book movies. But despite that, it's pretty
Speaker 3: tremendous all the way through.
Speaker 1: I just looked at my thing. I'd put it a
Speaker 1: I'd say fifteen, just ahead of Fantastic Four, just below Thunderbolts.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I think I'm just higher on these movies
Speaker 3: in general than you have been. I have Thunderbolts at
Speaker 3: eighteen and Fantastic Four nine. So you know there's what
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: Goo.
Speaker 1: Shall we get the spoilers? Spoilerpiler spoiler?
Speaker 3: Also Yeah, for twenty twenty six, I have The Honesty
Speaker 3: at thirty nine, not quite a forty.
Speaker 2: I have Obsession at thirty eight. This an obsession.
Speaker 3: I'm having a fun time bouncing back for I think
Speaker 3: I might have liked Obsession a little bit more so.
Speaker 3: This is third on the air for me, but those
Speaker 3: are clearly the top three for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I have this at number two, number
Speaker 1: three on the year for me, Yeah, i'd have it
Speaker 1: right around Project tail Mary.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like it more.
Speaker 3: Than that, but I also have Hail Mary's fourth, so
Speaker 3: we got.
Speaker 2: The same top four. Goo. Hey, hey go, how are you?
Speaker 1: She's playing Jean Gray.
Speaker 2: Sadie Sink is playing Jean Gray.
Speaker 1: Even though you went in saying I heard she's playing
Speaker 1: Sasha Gray.
Speaker 2: Don't you talk to me about Sasha Gray in the
Speaker 2: Entourage movie?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Goot, I think no.
Speaker 1: I was just yeah, yeah, shek Vinnie went off the
Speaker 1: rail memories.
Speaker 3: A little jumble back in those days. You know, Sasha Gray.
Speaker 1: Vannie went off the rails. And I'm not blaming her
Speaker 1: for all of this, Dude, Jean Gray bad influence. We
Speaker 1: get that reveal about halfway through the movie, and I
Speaker 1: was sort of leaning that she might be Rachel Summer's
Speaker 1: time traveling and ultimately I'm glad it's Jean Gray. I'm
Speaker 1: glad it's Jean Gray in her regular time in this
Speaker 1: timeline and growing up in this world with the DODC,
Speaker 1: because the real villain of this movie is the DDC
Speaker 1: that Jean Gray is fighting against. So we learn that
Speaker 1: the DODC has captured Jeene's sister Sarah, who has similar
Speaker 1: but lesser abilities than Gene, and she's trying to show
Speaker 1: Gene the ropes. That's sort of where Jeane's at, and
Speaker 1: ultimately the DODC kills Sarah because they're testing on her
Speaker 1: so harshly, and this whole vmax thing throughout this mcguffin
Speaker 1: that V max is ends up being. I also felt
Speaker 1: like a really neat.
Speaker 3: Reveal where she's looking up and it's the air intake
Speaker 3: or the AC blowing in, and that moment when Gene
Speaker 3: when her powers get to the max, the vmax, it
Speaker 3: was great. I love that the windows blew out, that
Speaker 3: bubble formed.
Speaker 2: It just shows you that.
Speaker 3: Maybe what is she thirteen fourteen, sixteen years old, that
Speaker 3: Jean Gray the Omego level mutant.
Speaker 1: No, it say it's like fifteen sixteen, maybe even close
Speaker 1: to twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a teenager. It doesn't look like she can drive,
Speaker 2: so say fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 1: If you can hot bodies, you can drive.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited for her going forward.
Speaker 3: And obviously now like we're full blown in the mutant
Speaker 3: saga and we get deep twenty three coming up in
Speaker 3: a couple weeks ago. And I imagine they're going to
Speaker 3: announce to us the cast of the X Men, including
Speaker 3: Sadie sinc and then you know, four or five others.
Speaker 1: Do you think that they played around with the idea
Speaker 1: of having her be another telepath, maybe one of Jean
Speaker 1: Gray's daughters, and then they're like, this is too confusing
Speaker 1: to start our X Men stuff off with not Jean Gray.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the decision had to be made. Okay, is
Speaker 3: this a casting that's gonna mean a lot in Doomsday
Speaker 3: and Secret Wars or is it gonna mean a lot
Speaker 3: going forward with the X Men? And they opted for
Speaker 3: that second one, And I'm glad they did because we're
Speaker 3: gonna get a lot of pizzaz and a lot of
Speaker 3: distraction for Doomsday and Secret Wars, and I'm glad that
Speaker 3: we now have our foundation going forward.
Speaker 1: Well. I also love the fact that the DODC scrubbed
Speaker 1: Jean Gray stuff so that no one could figure anything out,
Speaker 1: meaning that they've probably done this in the past with
Speaker 1: other mutants, right, and that's what's been happening this whole time,
Speaker 1: and that's why we haven't seen the other mutan exactly.
Speaker 3: And I think what you're gonna see as a part
Speaker 3: of the follow out of the DODC as Charles Xavier
Speaker 3: kind of coming and scoop up a lot of those
Speaker 3: higher level mutants and create Xaviers.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, though, I would have loved it when
Speaker 1: she was talking to her sister about what their mother
Speaker 1: did to them about calling someone in. I wish that,
Speaker 1: you know, when she brought those two guys into talk
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: I thought at one point in this movie, especially at
Speaker 3: the end, maybe the post credit, we were gonna get
Speaker 3: a second X Men either Cyclops Charles Xavier. They held
Speaker 3: that back, which is fine, but it was sort of
Speaker 3: setting up that and I was a little disappointed in that.
Speaker 3: And also the post credit in this movie, which we
Speaker 3: haven't mentioned already useless. It just shows that Spider Man's
Speaker 3: on battle work.
Speaker 1: Also, we are starting our X Men characters off where
Speaker 1: there's already a device that can nullify their power.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So the other big thing in this movie is huge
Speaker 3: going forward, just as big as Gene Gray and the
Speaker 3: X Men. Peter Parker has created the technology that can
Speaker 3: inhibit turn off certain strands of DNA in mutants and
Speaker 3: prevent them for their powers from working. Of course, stolen
Speaker 3: a little bit from Bruce Banner, and you know that's
Speaker 3: gonna rear its head. You know that maybe that ends
Speaker 3: up getting used in Sentinel Tech. So Peter Parker has
Speaker 3: become our new Tony Stark.
Speaker 2: Essentially, he's the bad guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now we're gonna deal with this Peter Parker
Speaker 3: like we had to deal with Tony Stark doing in
Speaker 3: the Infinity Saga, having to undo some of what he did.
Speaker 3: And so there's gonna be a natural divide going forward
Speaker 3: amongst our main characters. And I'm already for that.
Speaker 1: In this movie, Peter goes to Yolena when he needs help.
Speaker 1: I am curious. Is he just siding with them as
Speaker 1: the Avengers or why didn't he go to Sam?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he has any real relationship with
Speaker 3: Bucky Sam Well.
Speaker 1: Bucky is on Yolayna's team.
Speaker 3: Oh true, yeah, true. The Avengers also are just downtown,
Speaker 3: you know, they're not that far away. Also, new Avengers
Speaker 3: a little bit younger a couple of them anyways than
Speaker 3: Sam Wilson's Avengers. I also think that Lena, she's like
Speaker 3: the spy one, so that's.
Speaker 2: You go for her when you want to.
Speaker 1: He just chose to go to the spy even though,
Speaker 1: so I'm curious is she bad at what she's doing
Speaker 1: or is she lazy? Because she didn't have any real
Speaker 1: info on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it also felt like she didn't think it
Speaker 3: was that big of a threat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and good also, Jean Gray, one of the biggest
Speaker 1: threats if not handled properly.
Speaker 3: Let me give me, let me give you a little
Speaker 3: either or here you know, picture that that weight thing,
Speaker 3: that's a that's a symbol, and it's.
Speaker 1: Like it's the judge with the blindfold.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you put jelly beans.
Speaker 3: So I have Sam Wilson, Yeah, in a tight suit
Speaker 3: with wings and a shield, maybe on a roof. I
Speaker 3: have Yolana Blova nude in a bath. Where are you going?
Speaker 1: Can you put the wings on Yolana?
Speaker 2: Seems like a pretty easy decision there. Ago.
Speaker 3: At the end of this movie pre credits, we get
Speaker 3: Peter and Ned doing their secret handshake and muscle memory kicks.
Speaker 1: Is also after Jean Gray mocks Peter for oh, you
Speaker 1: think by kissing her she's gonna remember who you are? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But then at the end of the movie they do
Speaker 1: the handshake. Bum No, I love that.
Speaker 2: You missed it. You missed it.
Speaker 3: But MJ calls Spider Man Peter before he leaves, and
Speaker 3: then he interests himself, introduces himself as Peter, so he no,
Speaker 3: it's together that this is Spider Man. He doesn't remember.
Speaker 3: He has no memories still of Peter and their friendship.
Speaker 1: I would argue that he does.
Speaker 2: I don't think he does.
Speaker 1: I think he does. I thought that was the point
Speaker 1: of it, because she mocked him for the kiss. That
Speaker 1: would shad.
Speaker 2: I just don't think it shook his memory.
Speaker 1: It's because his true love is ned.
Speaker 2: I think it's just more he realized, oh, that's this Peter,
Speaker 2: not my Peter.
Speaker 1: No, I'm telling you that that is his Peter, and
Speaker 1: he knows that now.
Speaker 2: I disagree.
Speaker 1: So the other thing is at the end of the movie,
Speaker 1: you can tell that Jeane is she's going upstate. I
Speaker 1: wish that it said on the bus the Mutant house
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 3: I wish the post credit was her knocking on that
Speaker 3: door and someone opens it, even if we just on
Speaker 3: the back of someone's head, whether it was Scott.
Speaker 1: Charles bald asshole.
Speaker 3: I wanted something like that. We didn't get it, so
Speaker 3: be it's a bald.
Speaker 1: Guy turns out with Larry David Eaton Chips.
Speaker 3: Calling in to question some of the continuity and what
Speaker 3: is happening here in this universe is Spider Man gets
Speaker 3: shot by Frank Castle accidentally while trying to kill Jean Gray,
Speaker 3: and then he's holed up in a hospital for a couple.
Speaker 1: Of days as no one knows who he is still.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so punisher Frank Castle is there protecting his identity.
Speaker 3: But at some point there had to have been a
Speaker 3: nurse and or doctors in the room, Yes, a surgeon
Speaker 3: to perform a procedure or surgery on Spider Man.
Speaker 1: And that's where I was waiting for someone to walk
Speaker 1: into that hospital room, either Miles Morales's mother, the night nurse,
Speaker 1: or doctor Stephen Strange.
Speaker 3: And I'm curious if maybe that's our future flashback is
Speaker 3: Miles Morales's mother was the one that was involved in this, you.
Speaker 1: Know, but also probably shouldn't do that. That wouldn't really
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Well why not?
Speaker 1: When the police chief was talking to him and she
Speaker 1: called her son Poppy, I'm like, are they going to
Speaker 1: roll reverse Miles Morales's parents and now his mother is
Speaker 1: the police chief and his dad's a nurse, possibly, I don't.
Speaker 1: I think that's the case because she didn't call them
Speaker 1: miles that she called them by a different name.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: But once she said Poppy, I'm like, that's not David Ortiz.
Speaker 2: What's my son's name, pop Poppy?
Speaker 1: Poppy? I thought that would be an interesting thing to
Speaker 1: throw people off, But that's not the case.
Speaker 2: Goode.
Speaker 3: I'm a little disappointed that you don't love this movie
Speaker 3: as much as I do.
Speaker 1: I like, give her thirty five hot dogs. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not good to be plus.
Speaker 2: It's good you've rated it. You rated it good, not great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so a little clunky at points I thought didn't
Speaker 1: look the best at points.
Speaker 2: I think you're off on that one.
Speaker 1: Too much slow motion for me, Okay, and then I
Speaker 1: don't like your attitude.
Speaker 2: Did you have bad popcorn during your view ring?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Well no, So my new thing at the theater is
Speaker 1: because I have an issue that I eat my popcorn
Speaker 1: too fast, but me and my wife always share it.
Speaker 1: I wait until she's done with the popcorn, then you
Speaker 1: go to town. Then I take it and I just
Speaker 1: dump it all in my mouth because once I take
Speaker 1: one colonel's handfuls, it's hard to a handful. I can't
Speaker 1: harp can't stop.
Speaker 3: So thirty five thirty five from Goo. You combine that,
Speaker 3: you get thirty six and a half.
Speaker 1: Let's get into Ma Sack and Ma Sack could be
Speaker 1: anything that could be aboute and since Mac was a
Speaker 1: lazy sack of shit earlier in the week, Maxac could
Speaker 1: also be news dump, but only specifically to Marvel stuff
Speaker 1: from comic Con.
Speaker 3: The rest of the run an episode talking about fucking
Speaker 3: ghost Rider.
Speaker 1: Yeah, goost Ride out of my face the sky. This
Speaker 1: is only the Marvel stuff from comic Con.
Speaker 2: You don't want weekend box office.
Speaker 1: We're already running an hour. We cannot go any further.
Speaker 1: The producers giving me one of these. He's saying, let's
Speaker 1: not make this as clunky as that piece of shit
Speaker 1: Spider Man movie. Mac the big news out of Comic Con.
Speaker 1: I think there are two big castings that everyone really
Speaker 1: glombed onto. That's the word Black Panther three. David Johnson,
Speaker 1: he'll star as to Challa's son. He'll be the new
Speaker 1: Black Panther. Ryan Cougler is back.
Speaker 2: I don't know shit about David Johnson.
Speaker 3: However, two or three people that I respect on the
Speaker 3: internet love this cast.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen many of the stuff that he's in.
Speaker 2: I'm in it.
Speaker 1: So that's where my issue is. It's where that Red
Speaker 1: Sox got Curtis Mead n Slate. I don't know who
Speaker 1: Curtis meat is. I read into him. I like Curtis Mead,
Speaker 1: and we like David Johnson, and then David Johnson broke
Speaker 1: his wrist and he's out for two Black Panther movies.
Speaker 1: Now also ghost Rider, we got an update and I
Speaker 1: wasn't even I had no mind on this at all.
Speaker 1: But Ryan Gosling is gonna be ghostwriter Johnny Blaize. That's
Speaker 1: his name, right.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's gonna be playing Johnny Blaize,
Speaker 3: but he's playing ghost Racs.
Speaker 1: He's the one that he looks like one of the
Speaker 1: ones in the comics, looks like Ryan Gosling.
Speaker 3: I love Ryan Gosling, Don't get me wrong. I don't
Speaker 3: love Sean Levy.
Speaker 1: Now obvious, Sean Levy is another one, and we keep
Speaker 1: saying this with a bunch of stuff. Sean Levy has
Speaker 1: a very high floor. Sean Levy knows how to do
Speaker 1: just enough to make sure that we get across the
Speaker 1: finish line and make money.
Speaker 3: I'll say this, the two just finished filming Star Wars
Speaker 3: Starfighter together. Now, if that movie's a banger, I'll be
Speaker 3: stoked for Ghostwrider. However, I don't really give a fuck
Speaker 3: about ghost Rider. That's just a me thing. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: looks cool. I could care less about him. I also
Speaker 3: am sort of like Ryan Gosling is one of the
Speaker 3: five or six a less celebs on the planet that
Speaker 3: everyone knows, and I just kind of want more castings
Speaker 3: like David Johnson. I guess I would. I would prefer
Speaker 3: the no less about these folks.
Speaker 1: It'd be great if they had hired Christopher Nolan to
Speaker 1: be the director of ghost Rider and he walks in
Speaker 1: the first day, he starts dumping gasoline on Ryan Gosling's head. Really, no, cgi, guys,
Speaker 1: News doubt. Deadpool showed up at the panel for Avengers
Speaker 1: Dooms Day asking when they're going to start shooting this movie.
Speaker 1: They're like, well, it's already done. It's gonna be any
Speaker 1: post production mount We're already done with that. And he
Speaker 1: was wearing a gray a jean gray suit.
Speaker 3: Dude, they appeared to me as regular jeans. They looked
Speaker 3: light blue to me, So I just thought they were
Speaker 3: light blue jeans, as most.
Speaker 1: I think, are you color blind?
Speaker 3: And then there was no I think the people that
Speaker 3: thought they were gray are color blind, and even still
Speaker 3: looking at them, they have a tinge of gray because
Speaker 3: they're light bluish. But he reveals it, and everyone was talking.
Speaker 3: Not everyone's half the people talking about maybe those are
Speaker 3: gray jeans. Maybe this is a Jean Gray tease. Well,
Speaker 3: obviously they were right, But does this also mean that
Speaker 3: Jean Gray.
Speaker 2: Is gonna be in Doomsday? We didn't see that end
Speaker 2: text at the end of the year.
Speaker 1: I think he was just teasing it for Spider Man.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Also, this is gray, it's like blue. Is it blue
Speaker 1: or gold?
Speaker 2: Also, gray is like gray is pretty close to the light.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that at all. That's very much great.
Speaker 2: We're a pair of jeans one time, we're in jeans.
Speaker 1: Right now, I have one pair and they're blue.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Doomsday Cast interviews Pedro Pascal says that Doom and Reed
Speaker 1: have history in Avengers, Doomsday and Game. The re release
Speaker 1: will be an exclusive look at Doomsday.
Speaker 3: I'm stoked that the Fantastic Four crew have run in
Speaker 3: with Doom before. That's meaningful obviously, so I'm glad that's
Speaker 3: out there. I'm looking forward to how they have interacted.
Speaker 3: I'm also really looking forward to spending like twenty two
Speaker 3: dollars to go see the Endgame re release, just for
Speaker 3: the extended look at Doomsday.
Speaker 1: News Dead Kevin fig says, what did he say? No
Speaker 1: Marvel films will be released between Avengers, Doomsday and Secret Wars,
Speaker 1: and the new focus is quality.
Speaker 3: Well, in order to focus on Quae. I wouldn't say
Speaker 3: the new focus.
Speaker 1: This said is the new thing. We didn't give a
Speaker 1: shit about it before. It's new. We're gonna do quality now.
Speaker 3: I'm perfectly fine with this because Doomsday, much like Infinity
Speaker 3: War and Endgame, is gonna lead directly into Secret Wars.
Speaker 3: You don't need something in between. You could have had something, but.
Speaker 1: If somebody did ask, like, well, what about the five
Speaker 1: TV shows that are coming out, and he said, no
Speaker 1: more questions.
Speaker 2: I'm happy.
Speaker 3: And it sounds like we're coming to sort of a
Speaker 3: definitive end with a lot of characters in Secret Wars.
Speaker 2: So that's fine.
Speaker 1: Keep it that way, is dope. Mac. What did Kevin
Speaker 1: Figi say about the people who are complaining that there's
Speaker 1: no build up for Doctor.
Speaker 3: Doom, so number one, sure decent complaint. However, you know,
Speaker 3: the Fanos build up was over what eight nine years.
Speaker 3: We kind of had to throw this one together in
Speaker 3: two or three years. Figi said, the Fanos build up
Speaker 3: has built up in people's heads over the years. He
Speaker 3: sat on a chair. At the end, he pulled a
Speaker 3: gauntlet out and said, I'll do it myself, and he
Speaker 3: yelled that ronan on on video screen. Briefly, that was
Speaker 3: kind of it. He's righting about that. We only got
Speaker 3: about seventeen seconds of him. I remember the memes making
Speaker 3: fun of Thanos for just sitting on a chair with
Speaker 3: Infinity War. We said, this is really the introduction of
Speaker 3: Thanos to people. That's how that movie was built. That's
Speaker 3: what we're doing with Doctor Doom. You know what, He's right,
Speaker 3: He's one hundred percent right about that. Now we've only
Speaker 3: gotten one Doom post credit. He said nothing. We didn't
Speaker 3: see his face, however, because those movies in the Infinity
Speaker 3: Saga were so good, we were excited for Thanos, not
Speaker 3: because of anything Thanos did. Now, Okay, the run up
Speaker 3: to this may might be lesser, sure, but they built
Speaker 3: out Thanos in that first scene, and I'm sure they're
Speaker 3: gonna do the very same thing with Doom here and
Speaker 3: I'm sure after seven minutes of this movie, we're gonna
Speaker 3: say Doom's fucking awesome the same way we did with Thanos.
Speaker 1: Here's dope. Figi also said that Nova will be a film.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, sure, sure.
Speaker 1: There's Dope Vision Quest well the end of the Wanda trilogy.
Speaker 1: It'll be on Disney Plus on October fourteenth's just in
Speaker 1: time for Halloween.
Speaker 3: I'm also curious if Vision and Tommy and Billy are
Speaker 3: playing a role in Doomsday Secret Wars or if they're
Speaker 3: going to be a part of that crew.
Speaker 2: Go well, if.
Speaker 1: Doomsday is trying to take children to create his world,
Speaker 1: Billy could be of assistance.
Speaker 2: Yeah. True. They'll be a little bit older though in
Speaker 2: this You.
Speaker 1: Know you said Sadie Sank was twelve in.
Speaker 2: This movie, I said thirteen to sixteen.
Speaker 1: She's older than Tom Holland Tom Hollin's twelve in real life.
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think he's kidnapping Sadie Sink?
Speaker 1: I don't know how old she is in this.
Speaker 2: I don't think she can drive. What is the so
Speaker 2: under seventeen?
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't know what Doom is planning.
Speaker 3: And also in that flashback to Sarah that must have
Speaker 3: happened like a few months before and she felt like
Speaker 3: she was playing thirteen fourteen in that clip.
Speaker 1: That's because she had bangs. That's why it's dead. Astin
Speaker 1: Daniel Creighton confirms that Shang Chi is in active development.
Speaker 3: As we spoke at the top of this podcast, all
Speaker 3: In on anything Destin Daniel Kretin is doing, including shang
Speaker 3: Chi too.
Speaker 1: News dip. They also mentioned that wonder Man has been canceled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 1: So what news dip And then finally big news in
Speaker 1: the mcu ice age saved John Leguizamo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently the money he made from that is basically
Speaker 3: what kept his life afloat and his family afloat.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And also a note, Goo, we liked John Leguizamo with
Speaker 3: Matt Damon once, why not a second time. He's in
Speaker 3: talks to Star and the Daniels next film alongside Matt.
Speaker 1: Damon news Depp. All right, that'll do it for this
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Speaker 1: At the top of next week, we'll have a news
Speaker 1: dump with everything that happened over the week and all
Speaker 1: the we'll talk all about the Clueless sequel series that's
Speaker 1: coming out. Alicia Silverstone is back and she's this time
Speaker 1: she's gonna do it herself.
Speaker 2: They're gonna d age her.
Speaker 1: Do you like to do it yourself? I hope you
Speaker 1: got a big trunk, because I'm putting my bike in it.
Speaker 1: I was talking with my cousin the other day. The
Speaker 1: forty year Old Virgin really came out in the perfect
Speaker 1: time in my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we were what fifteen.
Speaker 1: And it's different parts of the movie that just hit
Speaker 1: you at different points.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 3: I we So that must have been the spring of
Speaker 3: four because I remember watching it at Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: With the family.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Four, And it's not a family movie.
Speaker 1: It is not a family movie. That sure, because it
Speaker 1: says here that you wrote that she's hurting for a squirt.
Speaker 1: All right, Tuesdays are goose days. I Abuse Kangaroos. Tam
Speaker 1: Bart Bye. Please flip the cassette over to side B
Speaker 1: to continue the adventure. Now it's time for girls jumping
Speaker 1: on trampolines. Ziggy Zagi, zigi zagi o oy oi